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Credlin | 29 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreblin live on Sky's Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome the show. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 2: on Credline. More dire warnings about renewables from the energy
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Speaker 2: market operator as we move into the hotter months. But
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Speaker 2: if there is a silver lining in all of it,
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Speaker 2: it's because electric car sales have hit the wall, that
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Speaker 2: our power grid is now under less pressure. And why
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Speaker 2: have sales slunt or motoring expert Paul Gover joins me
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Speaker 2: to explain if I had our Tony Abbotts. Still can't
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Speaker 2: believe Labor hasn't addressed security concerns over the Gaza visus debarcle.
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Speaker 2: He's got some advice to for those in Labor who
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Speaker 2: want to label Peter Dutton as divisive a former prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Later on Kredlin, Victoria's in the group of an ambulance crisis.
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Speaker 2: But the man who's appointed to clean up the mess
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Speaker 2: under fire now for heading off on a seven week
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Speaker 2: holiday less than a few days into the job is
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Speaker 2: well known to me. During COVID lockdowns in Melbourne, there's
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Speaker 2: a backstory. Stay tuned for more. Plastagna Pleversk refuses to
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Speaker 2: front up to local communities that have been left in
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Speaker 2: limbo after she mixed a billion dollar mine. The Shadow Minister,
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Speaker 2: who had to take her place at today's Bush Summit,
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Speaker 2: will join me as debate about the mind heats up.
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Speaker 2: A Prime Minister and Premier Chris Mins on opposing sides
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Speaker 2: and speaking of that Bush Summit, Barnamie Joyce didn't hold back.
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Speaker 2: He took on Labour's new climates are former liberal Matt Keane.
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Speaker 3: What's this the Wizard of Oz? Honestly, I'll tell you
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Speaker 3: where the truth lies. Ladies and gentlemen. When you get
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Speaker 3: that little thing in the mail with a box in
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Speaker 3: it called the power bill, there lies the truth.
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Speaker 2: But first, just who is and who is not an
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal person. This is going to be a big issue
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Speaker 2: going forward given the why range of circumstances where people
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Speaker 2: having a different status or a special say based on
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Speaker 2: aboriginality is only growing, notwithstanding all the many billions in
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Speaker 2: funding and special services that often eventuate these days based
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Speaker 2: on indigenous status. Now, as we know, a one billion
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Speaker 2: dollar gold mine in central western New South Wales with
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Speaker 2: a thousand or so jobs in the mix, has just
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Speaker 2: been blocked on the basis of the representations of two
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal women that the tailing's dam essential for the Mind's operation,
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Speaker 2: would have an impact on their culture. Today, it's emerged
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Speaker 2: too that a key we see if EVERYU delegate, a
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Speaker 2: former national president for two decades for the outlaw Biki
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Speaker 2: Gang the rebels whose visa had been revoked on character grounds,
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Speaker 2: can't be deported because he somehow managed to prove aboriginality.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty and what's now known as the Love Case,
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Speaker 2: the High Court found that a person without Aboriginal descent,
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Speaker 2: even if not born in Australia and without Australian citizenship,
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Speaker 2: could not be termed an alien and therefore could not
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Speaker 2: be deported from Australia under this precedent. Dean Martin, the
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Speaker 2: uncle of AFL star Dustin Martin, has just been released
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Speaker 2: from immigration detention. His case was set for court next week,
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Speaker 2: but the Immigration Department has preempted that by accepting it's
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Speaker 2: reported today further evidence proving his Aboriginal descent. And what
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Speaker 2: that new evidence is we don't know. We may never know,
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Speaker 2: because he's now been accepted, they say, and I quote again,
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Speaker 2: as a recognized member of the managing Aboriginal community in Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: This is somewhat problematic given the widespread contention that the
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal people of Tasmania were largely wiped out in the
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Speaker 2: eighteen thirties in a former genocide. Excepting though the Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: people have returned to Tasmania and have formed communities, it's
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Speaker 2: still curious that someone born and raised in New Zealand
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Speaker 2: could be one of them. So far, all we've got
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Speaker 2: to go on is a ministery or spokesman's statement that
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Speaker 2: the High Court's ruling meant that if immigration detainees reached
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Speaker 2: certain thresholds of aboriginality, they could not be deported. Last week,
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Speaker 2: said the spokesman, the government received advice that these thresholds
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Speaker 2: had been met in the Martin case. At least since
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Speaker 2: the famous Marbo case, there's been a three part test
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Speaker 2: of aboriginality. Does a person have some Aboriginal descent, does
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Speaker 2: the person identify as aboriginal, and is the person accepted
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Speaker 2: as aboriginal by an aboriginal community. The danger here is
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Speaker 2: that people who've never identified as aboriginal might become Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: when it's convenient, and it might often be convenient such
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Speaker 2: as when trying to avoid deportation, or when trying to
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Speaker 2: block a development they don't like one of the objectives
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Speaker 2: to the Blainey gold mine. Nairi Reynolds, who reportedly now
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Speaker 2: describes herself now these are her own words, not mine.
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Speaker 2: As a very light skin descendant of a raggery woman
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Speaker 2: born in the eighteen twenties, used to describe herself as
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Speaker 2: gamele Ray. She's only recently begun to describe herself as
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Speaker 2: Radjery and of course that's the mind she's objecting to.
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Speaker 2: Is in or Agery country now, No doubt she's sincere
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Speaker 2: But if any connection, however remote, can establish aboriginality, it's
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Speaker 2: easy to see how this could become a racket. Weroderi
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Speaker 2: elder Roy RC, a former chair of the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Aboriginal Land Council, has publicly said that he my quote,
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Speaker 2: has never heard of it, this woman and at the.
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Speaker 4: Mind why people be rolling in their grave if they
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Speaker 4: knew that our culture has been hijacked for hidden agendas
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Speaker 4: and it's not.
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Speaker 2: Right, sayss for Adrielda. There needs to be stringent processes,
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Speaker 2: he says, to determine who is aboriginal and that not
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Speaker 2: to have one is dangerous to the real traditional owners
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Speaker 2: who want economic opportunities, not locked up land.
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Speaker 4: How are we going to close the gap? The biggest
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Speaker 4: killer of Aboriginal people in this country is an alcohol
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Speaker 4: and drugs. It's absolute poverty and welfare dependency. And here
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Speaker 4: we've got a minister that's knocking back a billion dollar
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Speaker 4: mine that could create economic empowerment for my people.
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Speaker 2: Two hundred if it turns to have any real meeting.
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Speaker 2: There's gotten to integrity around who is Aboriginal, who is not,
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Speaker 2: and who's just using the label for their own advantage.
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Speaker 2: And look, I want to return now to that landmark
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Speaker 2: decision in the Federal Court last week which saw transgender
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Speaker 2: woman biological male Roxanntickle win the right to access an
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Speaker 2: online community group set up by Queensland woman Seal Grover
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Speaker 2: for women and girls only. I've had time now to
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Speaker 2: carefully read through the sixty page judgment from Justice Robert Bromich.
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Speaker 2: I've done that, but I've also gone back to the
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Speaker 2: handsard debates in the Federal Parliament in twenty thirteen, where
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Speaker 2: amendments were made to the Sex Discrimination Act that formed
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Speaker 2: the basis of Bromwich's legal rationale. As I wrote in
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Speaker 2: The Australian Today, it was in the dying weeks of
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Speaker 2: the Gillard government that Labour's then Attorney General now still
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Speaker 2: Attorney General, Mark Drafers quickly and quietly up ended the
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Speaker 2: rights of Australian women. What was positioned is ending discrimination
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Speaker 2: for lgbt IQ people actually ended up stealing hard won
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Speaker 2: gains for women and girls to have a room of
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Speaker 2: their own. Now, this predicament is the outcome of Gillard
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Speaker 2: era changes to the Sex Discrimination Act to include quote
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Speaker 2: gender identity as a ground of unlawful discrimination. And that's
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Speaker 2: defined as and I quote the Act here the gender
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Speaker 2: related identity, appearance or mannerisms or other gender related characteristics
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Speaker 2: of a person, whether by way of medical intervention or not,
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Speaker 2: with or without regard to the person's designated sex at birth. Now,
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Speaker 2: given what we know now, those words should have rung
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Speaker 2: an alarm bell at the time, but they didn't. In
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Speaker 2: introducing the bill, the Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, well, they
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Speaker 2: didn't elaborate at all about gender identity provisions. Perhaps he
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Speaker 2: didn't want to draw attention to it and all the
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Speaker 2: political ramplifications. His second reading speech outlining the bill was
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Speaker 2: a scant four hundred and ten words long. He claimed
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Speaker 2: the bill was just about ensuring there was no discrimination
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Speaker 2: against LGBTQ people in accessing services like age care. Yet,
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Speaker 2: as it's now turned out, and yet another example of
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Speaker 2: how well intentioned changed can have unintended consequences, this is
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Speaker 2: the opening that's now been exploited by transactivists in their
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Speaker 2: latest attempt to insist that biological males can actually be women,
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Speaker 2: when immutable scientific fact makes that impossible. When Sell Grover
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Speaker 2: made the decision that trans women and biological male Rocks
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Speaker 2: Antiical was ineligible to join her women's only online community,
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Speaker 2: Tickle took her to the Human Rights Commission. That complaint
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Speaker 2: ended up in the federal with a result on Friday
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Speaker 2: that Grover was in the wrong. Justice Bromage accepted submissions
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Speaker 2: from the Sex Discrimination Commissioner that he described as propositions
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Speaker 2: bounded in logic and long standing authority. Now when I
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Speaker 2: read that line in his judgment, I thought to myself,
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Speaker 2: what long standing authority? A mere decade of law from
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Speaker 2: Labour's Mark Dreyfus that's blurring the lines between male and female,
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Speaker 2: or centuries and centuries of scientific fact that says biology
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Speaker 2: is biology and that can't be changed. Said just as Bromage,
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Speaker 2: she and is decision. Sex can refer to a person
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Speaker 2: being male, female, or other non binary status, and also
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Speaker 2: encompasses the idea that a person's sex can be changed.
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Speaker 2: It is sufficient. The judge said that miss Tickle is
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Speaker 2: recorded as female on her updated Queensland birth certificate for
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Speaker 2: her to be at law of the female sex. Now
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Speaker 2: hang on. Gender is a term that can change based
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Speaker 2: on how an individual might want to identify. But it's
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Speaker 2: always been the accepted biological position that sex is a
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Speaker 2: matter of science. It's your DNA, it's your chromosomes, nothing
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Speaker 2: at all to do with the clothes you wear or
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Speaker 2: the name you might want to call yourself, even if
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Speaker 2: you have surgery to remove your sex organs, Gender and
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Speaker 2: sex are different, not, according to Broubach. In finding in
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Speaker 2: Tickle's favor, the judge awarded him or her becky pardon
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Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars, but decline to award aggravated damages, conceding
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Speaker 2: that what the word woman means is deeply contested and
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Speaker 2: there must be scope in which persons can put forward
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Speaker 2: an argument where it is genuinely held That's the whole
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Speaker 2: point of this, isn't it that the definition of a
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Speaker 2: woman is indeed deeply deeply contested between a vociferous and
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Speaker 2: aggressive trans lobby and those who think that allowing biological
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Speaker 2: males to claim to be women to invade women's spaces
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Speaker 2: makes a mockery of female equality in the real world
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Speaker 2: outside the course, outside the Parliament, there's furious division over
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Speaker 2: what defines a woman. But at least as far as
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Speaker 2: just as Bromwich is concerned, the law is crystal clear.
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Speaker 2: Now did this come about because MP's debated the issue
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Speaker 2: and decided that anyone who claims to be a woman's
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Speaker 2: really a woman? Or because this was put openly before
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Speaker 2: the voters decided at an election or a referendum. Of course,
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Speaker 2: not what we're now saddled with. There's something that's been
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Speaker 2: insinuated into law by stealth. Sl Grover deserves to be
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Speaker 2: supported to appeal this case. She has a crowd funding
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Speaker 2: support page. I'll show you that tonight. If you can help.
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Speaker 2: I urge you to help, because we must put this
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Speaker 2: matter beyond the reach of judicial activism. What's more, the
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Speaker 2: Parliament should remake these laws to protect the rights of
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Speaker 2: women and girls. Now given Labour's position, this is now
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Speaker 2: up to Peter Dutton and the Coalition to take this
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Speaker 2: to the next election and restore the rights of women
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Speaker 2: and girls to spaces of our own, based not only
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Speaker 2: on common sense and decency, but simple biological fat All right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to Camberan now for the headlines. Sky the
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Speaker 2: u's political reporter Olivia Caisley.
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Speaker 5: Good Evening, Anthony Alberizi has found himself at the center
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Speaker 5: of a hot mic incident at the Pacific Islands Forum
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Speaker 5: in Tonga. The Prime Minister captured asking a top US
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Speaker 5: diplomat to go harves on a new four hundred million
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Speaker 5: dollar regional policing deals to.
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Speaker 6: So did nothing.
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Speaker 2: We're just having a chat. Given you bawing take.
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Speaker 5: The way, the Prime Minister bristled regarding the comments as
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Speaker 5: he questioned the ethics of the Radio New Zealand journalist
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Speaker 5: who filmed and posted the exchange.
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Speaker 6: It's up to them to whoever did that, to think
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Speaker 6: about their own ethics when it comes to journalism.
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Speaker 5: National's MP Barnaby Joyce says that he tried to push
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Speaker 5: former Prime Minister Scott Morrison to adopt a nuclear energy
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Speaker 5: policy to no avail.
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Speaker 7: Did you try to get nuclear up Australia all the
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Speaker 7: time all the time and I could go through.
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Speaker 2: Why didn't it happen because they saw all the polling.
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Speaker 3: Does in the group who said that, but you are.
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Speaker 8: The Deputy Prime min Morrison said that to you absolutely
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Speaker 8: one dred.
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Speaker 5: It follows the coalition's election promise to build seven small
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Speaker 5: scale reactors from twenty thirty five onwards. Shadow Energy Minister
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Speaker 5: Ted O'Brien confirming more details are incoming.
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Speaker 9: Costings modeling be out before Christmas.
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Speaker 5: Yes it comes as Australia's Electricity Authority declared the reliability
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Speaker 5: of the nation's power grid has improved, but renewable projects
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Speaker 5: must be delivered on time and in full to ensure
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Speaker 5: the lights stay on.
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Speaker 10: If if everything goes to Labour's plan. Everything has gone
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Speaker 10: wrong with Labour's plan, Australias are now paying among the
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Speaker 10: highest electricity prices in the world, despite labor promising a
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Speaker 10: two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction.
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Speaker 2: Look AEMO, the country's official energy market operator, has given
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Speaker 2: its update to day. The upshot is that residents of Victoria,
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Speaker 2: New South Wales and South Australia in particular face power
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Speaker 2: shortages over summer. Let's get into that. I'm joining now
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter can Red and Canberra and Youth
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Speaker 2: Corp Senior reporter Patrick Carline from Melbourne Gents. Welcome Patrick
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Speaker 2: to you first. The instability in the greed caused by
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Speaker 2: renewables is part of the problem here, but it's exacerbated
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Speaker 2: by delays and key energy projects. And yet despite all
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Speaker 2: of this, we've got the Tills and the Greens today
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Speaker 2: continuing their crusade against new gas projects. Put it all together,
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Speaker 2: the outlook's pretty grim.
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Speaker 11: Oh look, it's dreadful, Peter. I mean, we need gas.
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Speaker 11: We're putting cold down. Coal will not be with us.
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Speaker 11: There's going to be a big gap. It's not going
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Speaker 11: to be filled by renewables. Obviously, the promises are not
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Speaker 11: going to be fulfilled in terms of timelines and in
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Speaker 11: terms of targets. There's going to be a big hole
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Speaker 11: when Cole disappears. What's it going to be filled with
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Speaker 11: if not gas? I mean, Anthony Albaneasi has talked about
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Speaker 11: the need for gas for decades to come. And we
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Speaker 11: can't even talk about nuclear at the moment because it's
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Speaker 11: not even part of the debate. I mean, the idea
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Speaker 11: that we don't have more gas come online is just
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Speaker 11: what does it mean for people who literally just want
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Speaker 11: to turn on the lights whenever they feel like it.
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Speaker 11: I mean, that sort of talk from the tills and
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Speaker 11: the greens really is irresponsible and totally at odds is reality.
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Speaker 2: And I make the point too, the people who can
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Speaker 2: at least afford it, the ones that can't put the
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Speaker 2: heater on, in the lights on. If you're rich, you're fine, right,
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Speaker 2: And it's also those industry jobs, those working class, blue
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Speaker 2: collar jobs are the ones that are hit hardest because
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Speaker 2: big industry requires big energy, so they lose, you know,
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Speaker 2: at both points of the ordinary low income Australian cam.
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Speaker 2: Just on the inflation data around yesterday, government quick to
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Speaker 2: pat themselves on the back, you know, and there was
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Speaker 2: absolutely a small flow, a lesson was expected, but certainly
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Speaker 2: a drop. The economists are making the point in the
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Speaker 2: analysis today they think that might be temporary. That's because
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Speaker 2: those energy rebates are now they rolled out of by
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Speaker 2: the States and it's feeding in. And if you dig
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Speaker 2: a little bit deeper in the numbers, the ABS data
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Speaker 2: shows that underlying price pressures remain retils suffering, and all
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Speaker 2: of that's feeding into the RBA's decision making. I have
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Speaker 2: to say the Treasurer got back to his bloody data
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Speaker 2: job Saturday's deck's desk focused on the economy and left
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton alone. I might have a bit more confidence.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, the personal character assessments aren't going to beat
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Speaker 12: the coalition. That's the thing Peter. To do that. Labor
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Speaker 12: has to beat inflation. And we've been saying for most
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Speaker 12: of this year that even though it bounces around down
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Speaker 12: a little bit this month, it's been up in other months,
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Speaker 12: it more or less has hit that floor at around
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Speaker 12: three and a half percent, which it's been at basically
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Speaker 12: since Christmas. And the fact is that's just too high.
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Speaker 12: The Reserve Bank says that, Treasury says that, so something
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Speaker 12: has to happen to get it below three and a
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Speaker 12: half percent. The reserve banks made that point two around
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Speaker 12: rebates and subsidies. Yes, sure they can take some of
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Speaker 12: the edge off today, but it's a bit like putting
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Speaker 12: your hand down on the mattress. As soon as you
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Speaker 12: take it off, it springs back up to its natural level.
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Speaker 12: And it's the underlying trend that remains the issue. Still
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Speaker 12: a long way from that target band in terms of
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Speaker 12: that financial stress people are feeling too. We got another
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Speaker 12: insight into that today the big four banks are all
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Speaker 12: appearing at a Parliamentary committee here over the course of
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Speaker 12: the next day or so, the Commonwealth Bank revealing today
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Speaker 12: that one hundred and thirty two thousand of its customers
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Speaker 12: have been placed essentially on hardship payment plans over the
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Speaker 12: course of the past twelve months, and many of those
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Speaker 12: are young people, people under thirty five. That's where the
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Speaker 12: real political potency is going to be, too, Peter. You
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Speaker 12: look at the votes of younger Australians, not just in
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Speaker 12: the Labor Coalition battles, but the Labour Greens contests as well,
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Speaker 12: where Labor is bleeding votes to the Greens on issues
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Speaker 12: like rent on housing and above all on cost of living.
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Speaker 12: That's going to be such a big factor come election time.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, We'll stay with energy. You could have sold
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Speaker 2: tickets to this today. I watched and it was extraordinary
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Speaker 2: at this debate between the Nationals leader, former Nationals Leader
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce and of course the former Liberal News South
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Speaker 2: wals A treasurer now Chair of Labour's Climate Change Authority
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Speaker 2: McCain training barbs at the Bush summon in Orange. Have
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Speaker 2: a listen.
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Speaker 8: The cheapest way of delivering reliable energy is firm to
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Speaker 8: renew books of oz.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, I'll tell you where the truth lies, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 3: When you get that little thing in the mail with
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Speaker 3: a box in it called the power bill, there lies
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Speaker 3: the truth.
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Speaker 8: Power bills are going up for two very clear reasons.
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Speaker 8: One there's a war in the Ukraine that has pushed
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Speaker 8: the wholesale price. That does push the wholesale price of
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Speaker 8: coal up.
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Speaker 3: We just have the cheapest power in the world and
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Speaker 3: now we've got some of the dearest power in the world.
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Speaker 2: It can't be the common sense arguments from Barnaby on this,
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Speaker 2: and they don't wash with regional people because not only
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Speaker 2: are they seeing the bills. We're all seen every time
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Speaker 2: they say when yours are cheap, you get a bill
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Speaker 2: and it goes up and up and up, so people
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Speaker 2: don't believe them. Keen's obviously taking the government's coin here,
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Speaker 2: so it's completely conflicted. But for people in regional Australia Patrick,
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Speaker 2: this is being rolled out across their paddocks. This is
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Speaker 2: in their communities. They're not like the people in the
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Speaker 2: leafy suburbs who might sort of vote green and never
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Speaker 2: see any impact from a wind farm or a solar panel.
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Speaker 2: This is in their town and I think the government's
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Speaker 2: got a real fight in its hands.
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Speaker 11: I think absolutely, Peter, I mean these things, these projects
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Speaker 11: are being imposed on people in the regions. I think
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Speaker 11: Barnaby Joyce is channeling that deep resentment that they are feeling.
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Speaker 11: Certainly here in Victoria, the right to object to a
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Speaker 11: solar plant or transmission lines running through your farmland has
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Speaker 11: sort of been curtailed in this crusade to try and
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Speaker 11: get the renewables targets online. It's been imposed on them.
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Speaker 11: It's intrusive. A lot of people don't like it and
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Speaker 11: they haven't been consulted. It doesn't feel fair when their
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Speaker 11: way of life in some cases is being challenged by
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Speaker 11: this crusade. Politically, I think it's a big problem for
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Speaker 11: labor and it will get worse as these projects keep
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Speaker 11: going deeper and deeper across Australia.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier just Into Alan got herself a little bit
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Speaker 2: of strife. She's come out very strongly in relation to
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Speaker 2: visas for Palestinians to come to Australia from Gaza. She
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Speaker 2: basically told a group in Geelong she's not even concerned
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Speaker 2: necessarily about lots of checks and things like that. She
22:06
Speaker 2: made points scoring remarks in relation to Peter Dutton. There
22:12
Speaker 2: was a response today, pretty sharp response with the Shadow
22:14
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. Have a listen.
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Speaker 13: The only person we would be less likely to take
22:20
Speaker 13: advice from on national security and community safety than Tony
22:23
Speaker 13: Burke is j Justintera Allen. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 13: premier who has presided over a youth crime crisis in Melbourne.
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Speaker 13: She was outlining in that speech as a proposal that
22:32
Speaker 13: we should effectively do no security screening at all or
22:35
Speaker 13: checks at all for anyone who claims to be a
22:37
Speaker 13: refugee and wants to come to this country. Well, it
22:40
Speaker 13: is a great thing for our country that Justinda Allen
22:42
Speaker 13: is only in the Victorian Parliament and not the Federal Parliament,
22:45
Speaker 13: because that is a dangerously naive attitude to take towards
22:48
Speaker 13: national security.
22:50
Speaker 2: Cam this is she's not going away almost every day
22:54
Speaker 2: labor come out there and add to it. I know
22:57
Speaker 2: it's cutting through. Talk to the pollsters and it will
22:59
Speaker 2: still be there when Parliament returns. I think this is
23:02
Speaker 2: dangerous for labor.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, what we're really waiting for now, Peter, is to
23:06
Speaker 12: learn exactly what's going to happen to the roughly thirteen.
23:09
Speaker 2: Hundred people that are already here.
23:10
Speaker 12: We know the government has been teasing this idea of
23:13
Speaker 12: staying here permanently. They're still yet to lay out though,
23:16
Speaker 12: what that visa would look like, what the exact terms
23:19
Speaker 12: would be, and what that pathway would look like as well.
23:22
Speaker 12: It's quick to point out that at the moment it
23:24
Speaker 12: is a bit of a stalemate in terms of new
23:26
Speaker 12: arrivals coming in because no one's leaving Gaza with the
23:29
Speaker 12: Raffa border crossing closed. But it remains an unresolved loose end.
23:34
Speaker 12: And look, the closer we get to an election, you'd
23:36
Speaker 12: need to see that result before people go to the polls.
23:38
Speaker 12: We know that roughly, you know, several thousand more visas
23:41
Speaker 12: have been approved, people are trying to get here. How's
23:44
Speaker 12: that going to Look what's going to happen here as well?
23:47
Speaker 12: Those are the sort of loose ends that need to
23:49
Speaker 12: be tied up. Otherwise, as you say, it is political
23:52
Speaker 12: dynamite for the Coalition. They'll continue to chip away at
23:54
Speaker 12: this because it is the sort of issue that resonates
23:57
Speaker 12: in communities, regardless of whether it's Victoria or anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: Spot on in as an area great historical weakness for labor.
24:05
Speaker 2: I'll leave their gens have lovely weekend. Let's go to
24:08
Speaker 2: the well more on the energy regulator stuff, because there
24:11
Speaker 2: is a bit of upside in here. I want to
24:12
Speaker 2: dig into this. Apparently pressure on the grid from the
24:16
Speaker 2: expected uptake of electric vehicles hasn't yet hit quite simply
24:21
Speaker 2: because no one's buying them at the rate was predicted. Now,
24:25
Speaker 2: this is a catch twenty two for cris Bow, and
24:27
Speaker 2: he desperately needs a stable supply of electricity across Australia.
24:31
Speaker 2: But at the same time he's also desperate for every
24:34
Speaker 2: one of us to ditch our petrol or diesel and
24:37
Speaker 2: move to an EV. To discuss this, I've joined now
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Speaker 2: by senior motoring journalist Paul Gover or Paul. The regulator
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Speaker 2: set in December last year, it was expecting some seven
24:48
Speaker 2: million electric vehicles on the road by twenty thirty four.
24:52
Speaker 2: They're scaling that right back even more than half. They're saying,
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Speaker 2: you know, four million. That's sort of the target they're
24:58
Speaker 2: looking at. This is a massive down grade, isn't it.
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Speaker 14: It's beyond the massive downgrade, because that's what they're working
25:06
Speaker 14: on the latest figures, and the figures continue to get
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Speaker 14: worse month on month. You know, at one point we
25:14
Speaker 14: were tracking for thirteen percent sales this year of electric cars.
25:17
Speaker 14: It's now down in the eight to nine percent region.
25:20
Speaker 14: So it's dropping very rapidly, almost as rapidly as Australians
25:24
Speaker 14: who are trying to do the right thing are going
25:26
Speaker 14: and buying hybrid cars, which they don't need to plug in, So.
25:32
Speaker 2: Why are they not buying EV's what's the drag on
25:35
Speaker 2: the EV?
25:36
Speaker 14: Takeout just about everything, To be honest. The first thing
25:41
Speaker 14: is around the world, EV sales have.
25:44
Speaker 11: Boomed for two reasons.
25:46
Speaker 14: Early adopters people who are keen to go and drive
25:48
Speaker 14: Elong must technological showcase, and people who are getting government subsidies.
25:54
Speaker 14: Those early adopters have just about dried up in Australia,
25:58
Speaker 14: so now we're looking at real people making real decisions
26:01
Speaker 14: about their cars. Electric cars in the majority in Australia
26:05
Speaker 14: are now being built in China, so there's a reaction
26:07
Speaker 14: to that do I want a Chinese car? But also
26:10
Speaker 14: the more you dig into it, the less good news
26:12
Speaker 14: there is. Last week, Ampoll downgraded its estimation of how
26:17
Speaker 14: many electric charging ports are going to roll out by
26:19
Speaker 14: around two thirds. But the thing about that is they've
26:23
Speaker 14: done that because there isn't enough infrastructure, and it's the
26:25
Speaker 14: infrastructure that worries car buys. But also it's not just
26:29
Speaker 14: range anymore. It used to have what's called range anxiety,
26:33
Speaker 14: will my car get me home? We now have a
26:35
Speaker 14: thing called charge or anxiety, because when you get to
26:38
Speaker 14: the charger and this has happened to me, you could
26:40
Speaker 14: be sitting there waiting for an hour, an hour or
26:43
Speaker 14: longer for somebody to charge their electric car before you
26:46
Speaker 14: can even plug in. Whereas if you think about a
26:48
Speaker 14: petrol station, gee worst case scenario, even if they go
26:51
Speaker 14: to the bathroom and go and get something to eat
26:54
Speaker 14: out of the shop, it's still only going to be
26:55
Speaker 14: about ten minutes before you can drive up to the pump.
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Speaker 2: And there's also issues about fire risk. There's a lot
27:03
Speaker 2: of issues I hear people talk about in relation to
27:06
Speaker 2: insurance costs for evs that all feeds into it as well,
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Speaker 2: don't they.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, insurance costs is the big hidden one. At
27:13
Speaker 14: the moment, we're not hearing much about this, but I
27:16
Speaker 14: was talking to somebody the other day who's in the
27:18
Speaker 14: repair industry, and they had had an electric car written off,
27:21
Speaker 14: written off by the insurance company because the person swerved
27:25
Speaker 14: to avoid a collision and went up the footpath and
27:28
Speaker 14: gouged the underneath of the battery. See, this is the thing.
27:31
Speaker 14: We're used to cars, where most of the repairs can
27:35
Speaker 14: be done fairly simply with the sheet metal, if you like,
27:38
Speaker 14: the bits that you bump into. But with electric cars,
27:41
Speaker 14: the batteries underneath, and relatively speaking, it's quite vulnerable, particularly
27:45
Speaker 14: in a country like Australia where a lot of our roads,
27:49
Speaker 14: to be honest, our third world standard once you get
27:52
Speaker 14: out of the big cities.
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Speaker 2: Not wrong, not wrong. Hey, what about the debate that's
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Speaker 2: going on in China and elsewhere, sorry, in Canada and
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Speaker 2: elsewhere about the Chinese imports. I'd read a story that
28:04
Speaker 2: there's about one hundred and forty new brands Chinese brands
28:08
Speaker 2: about to hit the market. Canada wants to bring in tariffs.
28:11
Speaker 2: They want to protect non Chinese made cars. There is
28:16
Speaker 2: a concern China has already said on the record they
28:20
Speaker 2: want to be one hundred percent the owners of the
28:22
Speaker 2: EV market around the world, and in a national security sense,
28:27
Speaker 2: that makes us vulnerable to possible Chinese control of vehicles.
28:30
Speaker 2: I know that sounds far fetched, but that's something that's
28:33
Speaker 2: on the table with national security and also the supply
28:36
Speaker 2: chain risk.
28:38
Speaker 14: Yeah, the thing about it is China has committed big
28:41
Speaker 14: time to exporting and I stress exporting electric cars. The
28:45
Speaker 14: problem is it's not a level playing feed because companies
28:48
Speaker 14: that are manufacturing car designing, engineering building cars in China
28:52
Speaker 14: get huge hidden subsidies. Now it's not just Canada. The
28:55
Speaker 14: US are looking imposing tariffs. All of Europe is looking
28:59
Speaker 14: at imposing tariffs. But the Chinese are already talking about
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Speaker 14: building factories inside Europe to get around those tariffs. Now
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Speaker 14: Australia we don't have a local manufacturing industry to protect anymore,
29:11
Speaker 14: thanks very much to the people in Canberra. But the
29:13
Speaker 14: thing about it is there are lots of other questions.
29:15
Speaker 14: A good friend of mine just to ask the question
29:18
Speaker 14: the other day. He said, lots of these electric cars
29:20
Speaker 14: have what they call over the air updates, so you
29:23
Speaker 14: park it, plug it in for the night, and whatever.
29:25
Speaker 14: The latest software is exactly like your iPhone can be
29:28
Speaker 14: uploaded to your car. Do you really want your car
29:32
Speaker 14: being that connected to a company that's in China. I
29:35
Speaker 14: don't know the answer, but it's a question that we
29:37
Speaker 14: need to be asking and asking seriously.
29:42
Speaker 2: How just the point you made that we don't have
29:44
Speaker 2: a domestic car industry anymore thanks to Canbra, I wouldn't
29:47
Speaker 2: make the point because I remember the debate at the time.
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons that car companies were struggling is
29:52
Speaker 2: they required more and more government subsidies, so taxpayer subsidies
29:56
Speaker 2: to survive in Australia. Because we Australians were not buying
30:00
Speaker 2: the locally made cart that was also a big problem.
30:03
Speaker 2: We didn't want these strained cars anymore. That's partly why
30:06
Speaker 2: they went bust.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and that's therefore because they need to go to
30:11
Speaker 14: Cambell with a business plan that was based on building SUVs. Now,
30:15
Speaker 14: I know that Holden were working on a plan, but
30:17
Speaker 14: I think they made the mistake in not actually having
30:21
Speaker 14: the correct vehicles and it would have taken them a
30:24
Speaker 14: while to do it.
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Speaker 2: The other thing was yeah, yeah.
30:28
Speaker 14: Yeah, they could have done it, but they needed more time,
30:30
Speaker 14: they ran out of time and they just pulled the bay.
30:32
Speaker 14: And the problem was because we only had three manufacturers
30:35
Speaker 14: and a lot of them shared companies of supplier companies.
30:38
Speaker 14: Once one went out, they all went out. And that
30:41
Speaker 14: now means that if you owned a second hand hold
30:43
Speaker 14: in Commodore right at the moment, you could be struggling
30:46
Speaker 14: to get parts because the suppliers went out of business
30:49
Speaker 14: and they're not making some of the parts that people
30:51
Speaker 14: for cars like Commodore's need to keep them on the road.
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Speaker 2: Good man, thank you, Paul Gover. I to have a
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Speaker 2: bit of a rational explanation for some of the stuff
31:02
Speaker 2: to get thrown around, and it was that we were
31:03
Speaker 2: not buying Australian cars. That's the problem, right, toting of it.
31:06
Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to get into this big
31:08
Speaker 2: launch over the weekend of the Muslim Vote Movement its
31:12
Speaker 2: first ever national election campaign. We'll also talk about Labor
31:17
Speaker 2: refusing still to reopen our embassy in Ukraine and more
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Speaker 2: in the Palestinian visas Welcome back, stil to Karma, shocking
31:29
Speaker 2: Lork Tanya plebsect today declining to show up to the bush.
31:32
Speaker 2: Someone in orangees pressure mountains on her to explained why
31:36
Speaker 2: she vetoed a billion dollar gold mining project. We'll talk
31:40
Speaker 2: to someone who did show up for his take on
31:43
Speaker 2: how her no show went down with locals. But first
31:46
Speaker 2: contempt to continue to level personal sledges of Peter Dutton.
31:51
Speaker 2: The Treasurer Jim Chalmers is today again backed in AZO
31:54
Speaker 2: boss Mike Burgess when it comes to his recent comments
31:58
Speaker 2: that support for humas should not rule out someone getting
32:01
Speaker 2: a visa to come to Australia. I'm not going to
32:05
Speaker 2: detail or second guess the way ASIO do their iportant work,
32:08
Speaker 2: the Treasurer said. I think it's important we don't fall
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Speaker 2: for Peter Dutton's trap. Now this is the same ASIO chief.
32:15
Speaker 2: Let's not forget that Labour threw off the National Security
32:18
Speaker 2: Committee Cabinet and only brought him back when our terror
32:22
Speaker 2: threat level was increased. Joining me now to discuss this
32:25
Speaker 2: and more, Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Well, Tony, welcome
32:29
Speaker 2: to the program. First up, in simple terms, do you
32:34
Speaker 2: believe that support for hamas is consistent with the character
32:37
Speaker 2: test for a visa to come to Australia.
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Speaker 15: Of course it's not, Peter, and it's extraordinary that the
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Speaker 15: government seems to think that you can offer support to
32:50
Speaker 15: Harmas and still be entitled to come to Australia. Frankly,
32:55
Speaker 15: the only people from that part of the world who
32:58
Speaker 15: should be able to come to our Australia are people
33:01
Speaker 15: who have demonstrated opposition to Hamas, because, let's face it,
33:06
Speaker 15: Hamas is an apocalyptic death cult. People in Gaza have
33:11
Speaker 15: been schooled from infancy the Jews are evil, that the
33:15
Speaker 15: West is evil. I don't see how anyone who thinks
33:20
Speaker 15: that could sincerely say the citizenship pledge support for democratic values,
33:29
Speaker 15: support for the rights and respect rights and values that
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Speaker 15: Australians take for granted. So look, unless people are opposed
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Speaker 15: to Hamas, really there's no place for them in a
33:43
Speaker 15: cohesive of Australian society.
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Speaker 2: You listen to the garden, not if we listen to
33:49
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. He says that they are doing everything
33:52
Speaker 2: that's always been done. They're using the very same processes
33:55
Speaker 2: that Australia has always used. Nothing's changed. Now that's not right, Is.
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Speaker 15: It now completely false? Yes? My government brought some twelve
34:08
Speaker 15: thousand people from persecuted minorities to Australia out of the
34:14
Speaker 15: Syrian war zone in twenty fifteen, but every one of
34:17
Speaker 15: them was interviewed by Australian officials in Jordan. Every one
34:22
Speaker 15: of them was biometrically checked, every one of them past
34:26
Speaker 15: security vetting. They were chosen by us. They weren't self selected,
34:33
Speaker 15: and they were fleeing a Hamas like organization. They weren't
34:38
Speaker 15: people who were fleeing from a terrorist controlled war zone
34:44
Speaker 15: where they may well have been on the terrorist side.
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Speaker 2: This weekend, Muslim Votes Matter, the group will officially launch
34:54
Speaker 2: their national campaign in broad Meadows, north of Melbourne. Now.
34:57
Speaker 2: One of the keynote speakers at the launch. Interestingly, of course,
35:01
Speaker 2: it's from Muslim of Vote UK. I have talked about
35:05
Speaker 2: this before. I have said that here in Australia they
35:08
Speaker 2: will want to use the campaign nous out of the UK,
35:12
Speaker 2: given that they really cut through in particular electorates not
35:16
Speaker 2: on issues relevant to Britain, but on Palestinian gars of
35:20
Speaker 2: politics imported into the UK. I suspect that's exactly what
35:24
Speaker 2: they're going to try on here.
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Speaker 15: Yeah. Look, the last thing we need are sectarian political
35:34
Speaker 15: parties in this country, and we certainly don't want in
35:38
Speaker 15: this country a sectarian political party based on extreme Islamism
35:45
Speaker 15: and based on support for an apocalyptic death cult. Now, yes,
35:49
Speaker 15: we've seen quite a few GAZA candidates get elected, both
35:53
Speaker 15: nationally and locally in Britain. As you know, normally an
35:59
Speaker 15: admirer of most things British. But this is something that
36:03
Speaker 15: this is not something from Britain that we should be
36:06
Speaker 15: importing here into Australia.
36:10
Speaker 2: Can I play you a comment today from the Deputy
36:12
Speaker 2: PM Richard Miles, when asked about opening or reopening our
36:16
Speaker 2: embassy in Ukraine. Have a listen.
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Speaker 1: I think we all want to see the embassy reopen.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter of doing so when it's safe and
36:27
Speaker 1: when we're able to do this in the way that
36:29
Speaker 1: we would want to in terms of all the safety
36:31
Speaker 1: obligations that we have, and that's something that's being currently
36:35
Speaker 1: worked through.
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Speaker 2: Now, I know you've been to Ukraine a number of
36:39
Speaker 2: times that you're with me, had a meeting. Yeah, pathetic,
36:46
Speaker 2: this is pathetic.
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Speaker 15: It's absolutely pathetic. I mean, this idea that it is
36:53
Speaker 15: too dangerous for us to go back to Kiev when
36:56
Speaker 15: some seventy other countries have got their embassy in Kiev,
37:01
Speaker 15: it's just hard to credit. I mean, we're not a
37:04
Speaker 15: nation of cowards. We're not a nation of whimps. And
37:07
Speaker 15: the defat staff US are more than capable of going
37:12
Speaker 15: back into Ukraine and they should be there. I mean
37:17
Speaker 15: our embassy was in the same building as the Canadian embassy.
37:21
Speaker 15: The Canadians have been back for two years.
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Speaker 2: We should be back there straight away, just before we
37:28
Speaker 2: go Tony, and this is a bit off topic, but
37:29
Speaker 2: you're a former health minister, so I have to get
37:31
Speaker 2: your view on this. I was really angry, dismayed, sad,
37:37
Speaker 2: and I have to say really sadened the decision last
37:39
Speaker 2: week of the Senate not to support nationally consistent laws
37:43
Speaker 2: to protect the human rights of children who survive a
37:46
Speaker 2: late term abortion. We have those rights for those babies
37:50
Speaker 2: and New South Wales and South Australia, but in Victoria
37:52
Speaker 2: and Queensland we've seen a baby a week born alive
37:57
Speaker 2: and then left to die. Where the hell is our humanity?
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Speaker 15: Well, you're right, Peter, I think it shows a complete
38:08
Speaker 15: lack of feeling. But it's really worse than that. It's
38:13
Speaker 15: almost the form of infanticide. And I just hope that
38:17
Speaker 15: this comes before the Parliament again.
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Speaker 2: I've got a problem there with your office. Tarney Abitt.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much great to be on the program
38:30
Speaker 2: right just before the break. More on sal Grover's fight
38:34
Speaker 2: to protect women's only spaces, please visit her Crown funding site.
38:38
Speaker 2: The address is at the bottom of your screen. If
38:40
Speaker 2: you can help and no times are tough, but anything
38:43
Speaker 2: you can give sal Grover's campaign is certainly going to
38:46
Speaker 2: a worthwhile cause. After the break, the Shadow Minister forced
38:50
Speaker 2: to take on Tanya pleversk or at least sit in
38:53
Speaker 2: her place at the Bush sum much she didn't turn up.
38:55
Speaker 2: Plus the new ambulance chief hire to fix the crisis.
38:58
Speaker 2: Who's just taken off on a set week holiday. You
39:01
Speaker 2: can't make this stuff up. Welker back still to come.
39:08
Speaker 2: The university professor set to avoid any serious punishment despite
39:11
Speaker 2: referring to her mass rapes on October seven as fake
39:14
Speaker 2: news and a hoax. And also Tony Abbott that was
39:18
Speaker 2: not a fire alarm, well it was in a way,
39:21
Speaker 2: it was his phone. He's still in the Volunteer Fibrigade
39:24
Speaker 2: AP currently there's an urgent call out for the northern
39:26
Speaker 2: beaches of New South Whales, so I suspect it's going
39:29
Speaker 2: to don the gear and get out there and fight
39:30
Speaker 2: fires tonight. Okay, let's go back though to the issue
39:34
Speaker 2: of the gold mine. Environment Minister Tania Plebistick still refusing
39:38
Speaker 2: to explain why she has blocked the one billion dollar
39:41
Speaker 2: Blaaney gold mine, declining too to appear on a panel
39:45
Speaker 2: of the Daily Telegraphs at Bush Summit today or someone
39:48
Speaker 2: who did appear. Shadow Environment Minister Senator John o'dunniam replaced
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Speaker 2: her and joins me, Now, John O, thank you for
39:56
Speaker 2: your time. She was a no show, now, I reckon
39:59
Speaker 2: that's a shock. Look when ministers themselves won't front up
40:03
Speaker 2: and explain their reasons.
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Speaker 9: Well under the Westminster Conventions of responsible Democracy, Peter, of
40:11
Speaker 9: course she should have shown up. She's made a decision
40:15
Speaker 9: that will change the future of that community forever, that
40:18
Speaker 9: will disadvantage both Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians for a
40:23
Speaker 9: very long time, and she should have the guts to
40:26
Speaker 9: have shown up and said this is why I've made
40:27
Speaker 9: this decision. But the fact is, I don't think the
40:30
Speaker 9: reason she's decisions stack up, and that's why she's not
40:33
Speaker 9: showing up. It's a real, real letdown for the whole community.
40:39
Speaker 2: The regi's Resources CEO and you can see pictures there
40:41
Speaker 2: of a cardboard cutout of the minister there Today, Jim
40:44
Speaker 2: Byer said the minister's decisions had sent them back to
40:47
Speaker 2: square one.
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Speaker 7: Have a listen, it's actually quite a difficult task for
40:52
Speaker 7: us now to find a new spot. We will look,
40:56
Speaker 7: we don't give up, but it's going to take us
40:59
Speaker 7: quite some time. And as we noted at the time
41:02
Speaker 7: we were asked, we said, look, we will have to
41:06
Speaker 7: go and look for it, and it could take us
41:08
Speaker 7: five to ten years to find a new location.
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Speaker 2: Capital can move, John, that's a real issue. And why
41:16
Speaker 2: spend another five or ten years going through all the
41:19
Speaker 2: processes here when the outcome with the Aboriginal community up
41:23
Speaker 2: there is just so difficult, some for some against. And
41:27
Speaker 2: then this late appeal to the minister, why won't they
41:30
Speaker 2: just move their money and take it somewhere else and
41:32
Speaker 2: get a goaldline going up somewhere else across the country.
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Speaker 2: That's the worry, Well.
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Speaker 9: It is the worry, and it's the message that's been
41:39
Speaker 9: sent to so many potential investors across the globe that hey,
41:43
Speaker 9: you might comply with every one of our stringent environmental
41:46
Speaker 9: and planning approvals, but at the eleventh hour we might
41:49
Speaker 9: wield a Section ten Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act acts out
41:54
Speaker 9: and cut your project off at the knees. That's what
41:56
Speaker 9: happened here. And even if they do go back to
41:59
Speaker 9: square one, this could happen again. They could do another
42:02
Speaker 9: five years of assessments and consultation and approvals. But frankly,
42:07
Speaker 9: why would you run the risk? So it was important
42:09
Speaker 9: today to note, of course, you had Chris Min's labor
42:12
Speaker 9: Premier against Tanie Pliversec. You had the community the mayor
42:15
Speaker 9: against Chaniel Flippersec. You had the indigenous community you're part
42:18
Speaker 9: of a place against Tandyr Plipersek. We can't all be wrong.
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Speaker 9: There is something wrong with her decision making here, and
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Speaker 9: I think she needs to reverse this decision in the
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Speaker 9: interests of our economy, that community and the jobs they need.
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Speaker 2: She did turn up to radio this afternoon she copped
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Speaker 2: a grilling.
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Speaker 16: Have a listen Roy Arsi, he's a senior were Ajuri
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Speaker 16: leader and he said, if the mind was not opposed
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Speaker 16: by the local Aboriginal Land Council, that they should have
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Speaker 16: been enough for the minister to listen to the recognized
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Speaker 16: Aboriginal party.
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Speaker 2: You didn't do that.
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Speaker 17: Well, the we're Aduri traditionally as central we establishing corporation
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Speaker 17: are a recognized party with standing.
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Speaker 16: Are you sure you haven't been scared empty?
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Speaker 17: I'm certain of my decision. I took it very seriously, Satada.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 9: Oh so certain of her decisions. She can't tell us
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Speaker 9: why she made it. She won't front up to Orange
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Speaker 9: to tell the community why she made it and what
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Speaker 9: she intends to do from here on in. She has
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Speaker 9: been scanned. This group you've got Royalty just mentioned doesn't
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Speaker 9: really understand how they can reach this conclusion off the
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Speaker 9: back of information that's been provided. He doesn't know those
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Speaker 9: who lodged this application, the Orange Aboriginal Land Council, the
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Speaker 9: ones that have legislative authority to speak on behalf of country,
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Speaker 9: so they were fine with the project, and we're worried
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Speaker 9: that this group would hijack this process. She has made
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Speaker 9: the wrong decision. She has allowed activists to take over
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Speaker 9: the process here and I think it is a political decision.
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Speaker 9: It's one that has driven about harvesting green votes in
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Speaker 9: inner city Sydney rather than doing the right thing by
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Speaker 9: the community that need these jobs. And Franklin, if she's
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Speaker 9: not going to reverse her decision or to tell us
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Speaker 9: why she made the decision. She may as well give up.
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Speaker 9: She's madeing bad decisions on behalf of the people that
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Speaker 9: sent her to camera.
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Speaker 2: It's self interest too, because the biggest attack on her
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Speaker 2: seat is likely to come from the Greens. This is
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Speaker 2: not about Australia's national interest. This it's about her own
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Speaker 2: backside and a seat of Sydney in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, senator. We'll catch up again all right after
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Speaker 2: the break. Anger mounting as a university professor escapes punishment
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Speaker 2: despite calling the humma's terror attacks fake us. Plus the
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Speaker 2: big tax set to go up even higher over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that after the break. All right, We're
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Speaker 2: going straight into the panel media right if the Austraia
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Speaker 2: joins me now, Sovie Elsworth an LPMP Luke Howef will
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. It's reported, Sophie that a professor
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Speaker 2: at Sydney UNI, so no slouch here, has managed to
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Speaker 2: escape any serious punishment after a lecture in which she
44:56
Speaker 2: claimed the reports of sexual violence these are the horrific
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Speaker 2: rape occurring by her mass on October seven. They were,
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Speaker 2: she says, fake news intended to shore up support for Israel.
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Speaker 2: Now the UNI as refused to say if they've taken
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Speaker 2: any action at all. Peter, this is remarkable.
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Speaker 18: She's made these comments and now it's all secretive about what,
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Speaker 18: if any discipline reaction has been taken. And surely Australians
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Speaker 18: to deserve to know if and what action has been taken.
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Speaker 18: These remarks make it incredibly concerning. I believe for the
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Speaker 18: Australian public to have faith in our universities when we
45:39
Speaker 18: hear that lecturers are saying, are comments such as this
45:44
Speaker 18: impedling misinformation into our university system?
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Speaker 2: Now? And I kept thinking about the poor student who
45:50
Speaker 2: might have put up their hand and said, look, sorry,
45:53
Speaker 2: I disagree with you. I mean, I'm believing what's been
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Speaker 2: out there. I believe the confirmation for all the international
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Speaker 2: agencies that this happened. Are they going to get a
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Speaker 2: D mark on the paper? Are they going to get
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Speaker 2: a fail mark the next time they front this professor.
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Speaker 2: I'll stay on this issue in a roundabout way if
46:08
Speaker 2: I can, Luke because the Australian Jewish Association their voice.
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Speaker 2: The concerns today about labor preferencing the Greens in a
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Speaker 2: number of new South Wales local government elections, particularly in
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Speaker 2: Randwick and Wavery. The Randwick Greens mayor recently survived in
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Speaker 2: her confidence motion after she spoke at a pro Palestinian rally.
46:28
Speaker 2: Two Green's counselors were removed from some of their roles
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Speaker 2: in Waverley after they tried to amend a motion last
46:36
Speaker 2: year condemning the October seventh attacks. Now, to me Luke,
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Speaker 2: this says that all of Labour's criticisms about the Greens
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Speaker 2: are hollow because they trade preferences with them every single time.
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Speaker 6: Well, Peter, you're absolutely right, and the Jewish Association is
46:56
Speaker 6: also correct. The Greens are an extremist left wing party.
47:00
Speaker 6: Albanezi has called them out in Parliament, saying that they've
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Speaker 6: been divisive since the October seven terrorist attacks and criticizes
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Speaker 6: them for it. Yet at the same time he accepts
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Speaker 6: their preferences, he gives preferences to them, and in this
47:15
Speaker 6: case Labor is directing preferences to them in account selection. Now,
47:18
Speaker 6: this is a party that is any Semitics since October seven,
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Speaker 6: has caused division since October seven. You know, they want
47:26
Speaker 6: to legalize hard drugs, including ecstasy. They want to defund
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Speaker 6: the police, harve the Australian Defense Force budget. These people
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Speaker 6: are extremists. We even have Green members up here in
47:36
Speaker 6: Queensland that are encouraging people that are doing it tough
47:39
Speaker 6: to shoplift and break into houses. So they are an
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Speaker 6: extremist party. It's just beggars beyond belief that Labour still
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Speaker 6: accepts their preferences in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Now let's go to this issue in Victoria, because you
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Speaker 2: will not believe this. Andrew Chris was the former head
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Speaker 2: of Emergency Management Victorian. Now I followed him very closely
48:00
Speaker 2: all the way through those COVID lockdowns. He changed his
48:03
Speaker 2: evidence to a parliamentary inquiry into hotel quarantine and he
48:08
Speaker 2: denied when he changed his evidence that he was influenced
48:11
Speaker 2: to do so by the Andrews government. Now since left
48:15
Speaker 2: that role, of course, but he's now just been appointed
48:17
Speaker 2: as the head of the Victorian Ambulance Association. They are
48:21
Speaker 2: facing a crisis over ramping paramedic pay and a whole
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Speaker 2: lot more. But in a move I find incredible, he's
48:30
Speaker 2: barely got his feet under the desk and now he's
48:33
Speaker 2: off on a holiday for seven weeks and will be
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Speaker 2: quote uncontactable I mean this job will be hundreds of
48:39
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars, Sophie, as I say they're in a
48:42
Speaker 2: crisis in Victoria, you're kidding.
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Speaker 18: Me, well, Peter, unfortunately, no, it's not a joke. He's
48:50
Speaker 18: off on a seven week holiday. Now, where on earth
48:53
Speaker 18: is he going that you're on uncontactable? You're pretty much
48:57
Speaker 18: contactable anywhere in the world these days with our phone,
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Speaker 18: so I find that part quite remarkable. But he's only
49:03
Speaker 18: there for six months, and for two of those months
49:07
Speaker 18: he's off on some getaway now. Also, he has said
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Speaker 18: in an interview that he has no intentions of taking
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Speaker 18: up this job full time once the interim period is over.
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Speaker 18: So why on earth put him in this role when
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Speaker 18: he's not there for a third of the time.
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Speaker 2: It beggars belief.
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Speaker 18: Peter.
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Speaker 2: Now, I have to say that the outside here I
49:26
Speaker 2: do not smoke, but smokes are going out for almost
49:29
Speaker 2: seven percent on Sunday. A lot of pressure on people
49:32
Speaker 2: already doing it tough. They're flooding into the black market.
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Speaker 2: As we know, it's more than an inflation, Luke, this
49:38
Speaker 2: is a revenue raising, so surely.
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Speaker 6: It is a tax grab by the labor government. Obviously,
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Speaker 6: they're spending three hundred and fifteen billion dollars more than
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Speaker 6: what the last budget that Josh Friedenberg handed down. That's
49:52
Speaker 6: what Jim Charles charmers are spending. So they're grabbing it
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Speaker 6: from wherever they can. But I don't smoke either, but
49:57
Speaker 6: a made of mine does. He was telling me. A
49:59
Speaker 6: packet of ra and fifties is one hundred and seven
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Speaker 6: dollars at coals, one hundred and seven dollars for a
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Speaker 6: packet of smoke. So on my calculations, you know, with
50:08
Speaker 6: another six point eight percent increase above inflation, that'll be
50:12
Speaker 6: another seven dollars on top of that. And rightly, you know,
50:17
Speaker 6: to baccanas around the country that are doing the right
50:19
Speaker 6: thing that sell this legal product, particularly family and small businesses,
50:24
Speaker 6: you know they're being driven people that can at least
50:26
Speaker 6: afford it to go and buy illegal products from illegal
50:30
Speaker 6: to back in this and we're seeing this more and more,
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Speaker 6: and you know it could be a bigger health bill
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Speaker 6: for the government in the end.
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Speaker 2: So that thanks, Luke, I've got to go, but your
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Speaker 2: spot on. Thank you both for your time. See you
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Speaker 2: all next week. Back on the Monday at six, here's
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Speaker 2: Andrew