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The Case of The Jigsaw Killer _ He Scattered His Best Friend_s Body Parts Across the UK · History Dark

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Speaker 1: Body parts have been discovered across Hertfordshire.
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Speaker 2: The most likely explanation for what's happened is this is
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Speaker 2: a sadistic ritual killing.
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Speaker 1: A murderer is playing games with the police.
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Speaker 3: No one had come across this before. Is it the
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Speaker 3: same victim? Was this a serial killer? There were so
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Speaker 3: many unknowns in this. I certainly was losing sleep over it.
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Speaker 4: This offender is very forensically aware. They know how to
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Speaker 4: hide evidence.
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Speaker 3: There's always going to be a chink in their armour
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Speaker 3: and it's down to us as the professionals to find it.
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Speaker 1: The forensic scientists will have to go to unprecedented lengths
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Speaker 1: if they're to catch the killer at the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: MUSIC Police have received a 999 call about a suspicious
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Speaker 1: package discarded in a field.
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Speaker 3: I was the on-call detective sergeant for the Hertfordshire murder team.
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Speaker 3: I think I was eating my dinner at home and
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Speaker 3: got the call that they'd found what they believed to
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Speaker 3: be a severed left leg in a very rural location,
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Speaker 3: completely the opposite side of the county from where I
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Speaker 3: was living at the time.
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Speaker 1: A local farmer has discovered a small holdall on the
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Speaker 1: edge of his field. Inside, a human leg, wrapped in
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Speaker 1: blue polythene and sealed with duct tape.
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Speaker 3: It's routine really to be called out to suspicious deaths
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Speaker 3: and body parts. Certainly not, that was the first time
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Speaker 3: for me.
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Speaker 1: Detective Sergeant Ian Sigury races across the county to Cotterid.
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Speaker 3: Cotterid is a lovely, lovely village. It's Middle England, as
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Speaker 3: I would call it. really nice rural location. So quite
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Speaker 3: a concern for the residents of Cotteran.
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Speaker 1: Ian and his team cordon off the country lane and
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Speaker 1: the vicinity around the discovered body part.
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Speaker 4: Finding an item like this in a lay-by, the CSIs,
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Speaker 4: we have to cast the net really wide and recover
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Speaker 4: any recent and non-recent evidence from that lay-by because we
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Speaker 4: don't know initially how long that item's been there for.
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Speaker 4: There might be discarded items that might have fingerprints on
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Speaker 4: or DNA on wrappers or drink cartons or cigarette ends.
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Speaker 3: Initially, once we found the left leg, we were of
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Speaker 3: the opinion that probably within that locality, we'll start to
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Speaker 3: find other body pieces, but of course we didn't. Everything
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Speaker 3: that we harvest from that initial crime scene is bagged
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Speaker 3: and tagged, and then it goes back to our incident room.
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Speaker 3: Everything went into storage until such times as we could
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Speaker 3: decide what would be our most fruitful exhibit to send off,
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Speaker 3: whether it's DNA, fingerprinting, chemical work. Always going to be
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Speaker 3: crucial for us was the wrapping that that leg was in,
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Speaker 3: and of course the hold that the whole thing was in.
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Speaker 1: To identify who the limb belongs to, DNA samples are
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Speaker 1: taken and run through the national database, whilst the packaging
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Speaker 1: is forensically examined at the lab.
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Speaker 4: Finding a body part wrapped in plastic with tape around
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Speaker 4: it immediately gives me forensic opportunities. It gives me the
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Speaker 4: opportunities of maybe finding DNA on the tape. or fingerprints
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Speaker 4: on the end of the tape, and also fingerprints on
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Speaker 4: the plastic.
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Speaker 1: The initial examination of the rubble, sack and tape provide
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Speaker 1: the police with no clues.
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Speaker 4: Had no forensic evidence on them. There were no fingerprints,
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Speaker 4: there was no DNA, which then makes our job very difficult.
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Speaker 4: This offender is very forensically aware. They know how to
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Speaker 4: hide evidence and trying to disguise who they might be.
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Speaker 3: All of the routine inquiries that we carried out in
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Speaker 3: Cotterwood really came to no avail. No one had seen
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Speaker 3: a car parked in the lay-by at the material time.
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Speaker 3: No one had seen anybody dumping anything in the side
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Speaker 3: of the field. So we were none the wiser, really,
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Speaker 3: when it came to Cotterwood.
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Speaker 1: The results are in from the DNA samples taken from
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Speaker 1: the limb discovered in the holdall.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it came back as no trace, so the body
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Speaker 3: part remained unidentified. It was quite disheartening really because we
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Speaker 3: knew that if we identified who our victim was, then
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Speaker 3: naturally the offenders would follow very soon thereafter.
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Speaker 1: The pathologist did, however, make an observation about the efficiency
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Speaker 1: of the amputation.
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Speaker 3: Whoever carried out this dismemberment had done so in a very,
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Speaker 3: very professional way. We were hypothesising, well, was this a
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Speaker 3: medical amputation?
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Speaker 5: Experts tell us that the dismemberment itself was very skilled,
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Speaker 5: clinical and professional. And that indicates that there may have
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Speaker 5: been some prior experience or practice in dismembering bodies. It
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Speaker 5: requires great anatomical knowledge to cut at precise cutting points.
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Speaker 5: So that may be part of the medical profession. It
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Speaker 5: could be working in a butcher's.
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Speaker 1: Seven days later, another gruesome discovery.
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Speaker 3: The second call came in again on a Sunday. A
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Speaker 3: couple found a forearm just at the side of the
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Speaker 3: road in Wheathamstead. When the call came in, I was
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Speaker 3: sure that would be obviously linked to our leg. The
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Speaker 3: leg was found in Cotterhead, whereas we're now finding a
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Speaker 3: forearm in Wheathamstead, which is the other side of the county.
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Speaker 3: Both scenes at Cotterid and Wheathampton were very similar in
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Speaker 3: being very rural, not overlooked by any residential properties. So
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Speaker 3: this was the second deposition site. So it's approximately here
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Speaker 3: that the left forearm was discovered by the couple out
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Speaker 3: walking on that Sunday morning. literally just laying at the
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Speaker 3: side of the road, just off the grass verge. So
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Speaker 3: we believe it had probably just been launched maybe just
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Speaker 3: out the car window. You would identify it as definitely
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Speaker 3: a male. It's quite a hairy arm, very professionally severed
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Speaker 3: at the hands and cut off at the elbow, but
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Speaker 3: it was all very cleanly done as if someone had
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Speaker 3: done this before. How long had it been here? Had
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Speaker 3: it actually been deposited before the left leg a week before?
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Speaker 3: We weren't to know. At this early stage in the inquiry,
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Speaker 3: all we knew, it was definitely a white male, but
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Speaker 3: that was it. So male and ethnicity, nothing else.
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Speaker 4: So now we've got two crime scenes, two potential dump
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Speaker 4: sites of body parts. I would, as a crime scene manager,
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Speaker 4: try to look to link the two scenes together at
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Speaker 4: the same tyre track marks at the two crime scenes.
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Speaker 4: We would do this by photographing them, and then also,
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Speaker 4: if they were good enough, we would take a plaster
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Speaker 4: cast of the tyre track marks It's important to keep
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Speaker 4: all options open at a crime scene like this. And
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Speaker 4: although tyre track marks aren't the best bit of forensic evidence,
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Speaker 4: we don't know if they're going to be relevant or not.
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Speaker 4: So it's really important to recover as much evidence from
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Speaker 4: the crime scene as possible. We're able to measure the
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Speaker 4: distance between the two tracks to work out the potential
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Speaker 4: size and the type of vehicle potentially. And depending on
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Speaker 4: how worn they are, depends if they've got unique damage
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Speaker 4: in them or not. and whether that unique damage has
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Speaker 4: been replicated in the actual tyre tread.
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Speaker 3: We're not going to have any eyewitnesses to the deposition.
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Speaker 3: We've got no CCTV. House-to-house inquiries are going to give
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Speaker 3: us virtually very little. We knew we'd probably find a
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Speaker 3: link eventually, but what was it? Was somebody deliberately trying
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Speaker 3: to be sporadic in their deposition sites just to throw
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Speaker 3: us off the scent?
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Speaker 5: It's possible that the offender didn't have great concern for
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Speaker 5: being detected by the police because we can see that
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Speaker 5: the body parts weren't necessarily hidden. So we're looking at
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Speaker 5: somebody who is likely to have been looking to exert
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Speaker 5: some control to achieve some sense of power and recognition
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Speaker 5: and reward, send the authorities in different directions.
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Speaker 3: Was this a serial killer? Was it organised crime? Was
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Speaker 3: someone playing games with the police? We just didn't know.
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Speaker 3: And not knowing is a concerning thing.
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Speaker 1: 48 hours later and 100 miles north, Leicestershire Police have
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Speaker 1: discovered a skull that's been stripped of all its flesh.
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Speaker 3: Of course, we believed it was going to be linked.
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Speaker 3: We dispatched a team up to Leicestershire to liaise almost immediately.
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Speaker 1: A killer is on the loose. Members of the public
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Speaker 1: have discovered a dismembered leg and a forearm dumped in Hertfordshire.
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Speaker 1: And Detective Sergeant Ian Sigry and his team have now
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Speaker 1: been called 100 miles north to Leicestershire, where a skull
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Speaker 1: has been found.
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Speaker 3: The skull was found in a farmer's field, completely void
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Speaker 3: of any skin, of any flesh, unlike all the other
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Speaker 3: body parts. So we believe that the offenders had carried
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Speaker 3: out the removal of all the flesh and the skin
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Speaker 3: to that skull. A sort of midsummer murder-type scenario with
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Speaker 3: a leafy village in the suburbs of Hertfordshire. They find
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Speaker 3: a leg and then we find a forearm and then
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Speaker 3: a skull in Leicestershire. So it really had gripped a nation.
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Speaker 6: A killer who appears to have almost taunted the police
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Speaker 6: and courted publicity by scattering body parts far and wide.
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Speaker 3: There'd been huge media coverage nationally with these body parts
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Speaker 3: turning up. it was on all the news bulletins the.
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Speaker 2: Most likely explanation for what's happened is this is a
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Speaker 2: sadistic ritual killing followed by an attempt to generate publicity.
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Speaker 3: It was so high profile that everyone was alert to
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Speaker 3: the fact that they're walking their dog and they came
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Speaker 3: across something. They would have seen it in the news
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Speaker 3: that week.
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Speaker 7: Detectives are appealing for witnesses for anyone who saw anything
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Speaker 7: suspicious in these areas where the body parts have been
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Speaker 7: left since the 20th of March.
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Speaker 3: The world was looking at us at sleepy Hertfordshire.
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Speaker 1: Once again, the forensics sees hundreds of exhibits, but there's
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Speaker 1: still no fresh leads. The police are hoping the skull
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Speaker 1: and dental analysis will provide a much-needed breakthrough.
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Speaker 3: I think leaving the teeth was a real schoolboy error
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Speaker 3: because it really was our best method now of identifying
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Speaker 3: our victim. But of course, we need to narrow it down.
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Speaker 3: We just couldn't send these dental impressions out to all
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Speaker 3: of the dentists in the UK. That's just not a
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Speaker 3: feasible line of inquiry. But we knew that once we
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Speaker 3: had a few more clues, then those teeth would really
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Speaker 3: give us the identity of our victims. Several of our
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Speaker 3: detectives just focused purely on missing persons. We're looking at
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Speaker 3: international missing persons as well. Was this someone foreign to
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Speaker 3: our lands that had come across? We went through hundreds
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Speaker 3: of missing persons throughout the UK and it was a
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Speaker 3: big piece of work for the inquiry team. And if
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Speaker 3: they did fall within our criteria, then we were going
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Speaker 3: out visiting family and relatives. Every missing person inquiry that
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Speaker 3: we looked into just drew a complete blank. When it
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Speaker 3: came to it, it didn't hit the complete criteria that
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Speaker 3: we were looking at. It was quite disheartening at times
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Speaker 3: because you often say you make your own luck in
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Speaker 3: police investigations. But everywhere we went, we just came to
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Speaker 3: a dead end. We'd failed on the DNA database. We
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Speaker 3: hadn't recovered any hands. So we had no fingerprints to
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Speaker 3: go on. We were getting no luck at all. We
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Speaker 3: were getting no leads to who our victim was, who
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Speaker 3: these offenders were. We couldn't make head nor tail of it, really,
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Speaker 3: to be quite honest. Really didn't have a clue. You
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Speaker 3: begin to doubt your own investigative ability, and the pressure
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Speaker 3: was certainly there, and I certainly felt the pressure. And,
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Speaker 3: of course, every day that ticked by, those offenders were
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Speaker 3: still out there.
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Speaker 1: As the pressure from the public and media is mounting,
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Speaker 1: detectives turn to Professor Caroline Wilkinson, a specialist in cranial
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Speaker 1: facial recognition.
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Speaker 8: When the police can't identify bodies by their usual channels
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Speaker 8: then they'll often ask for a depiction to be produced
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Speaker 8: and then that's put out to the public in the
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Speaker 8: hope that someone will recognise them and then that will
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Speaker 8: help the police to identify them. The police delivered to
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Speaker 8: us the computed tomography scans of the skull. We worked
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Speaker 8: from photographs of the original remains and the CTE data.
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Speaker 8: We worked on predicting facial features from skeletal analysis. And
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Speaker 8: from that, we look at the orbits and details of
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Speaker 8: the orbits to tell us about how the eyes sit
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Speaker 8: and where the corners of the eye are and how
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Speaker 8: much it protrudes. For the nose, we look at the
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Speaker 8: bones of the nasal aperture. And one of the unusual
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Speaker 8: things with him is that what's called the nasal spine,
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Speaker 8: which is a little pointed bit of bone at the
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Speaker 8: base of the whole of the nose, is split into
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Speaker 8: two points rather than one. And that suggests what's called
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Speaker 8: a bifid nose, so that you can feel but mostly
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Speaker 8: see a groove up the centre of the nostril and
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Speaker 8: that's an inherited feature. The process we use is anatomical.
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Speaker 8: So we build the muscles of the face directly onto
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Speaker 8: the skull. The shape and size of those and attachments
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Speaker 8: and origins will be determined by the shape and proportions
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Speaker 8: of the skull. You can see where there are strong
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Speaker 8: muscle attachments because they leave marks on the bone. So
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Speaker 8: that helps us with some of the big muscles of
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Speaker 8: the head to see the overall shape.
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Speaker 9: Of the face.
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Speaker 8: Once you build the muscles of the face onto the skull,
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Speaker 8: you automatically get different proportions and different face shapes. So
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Speaker 8: it's a gradual buildup of muscles, then individual features, and
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Speaker 8: then we use tissue depth averages to tell us about
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Speaker 8: the overall soft tissue above the muscle structure to give
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Speaker 8: you the skin layer, and then that gives you the
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Speaker 8: finished face.
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Speaker 1: As Caroline works around the clock to create a depiction
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Speaker 1: of the victim, another body part is found in Hertfordshire.
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Speaker 6: The fourth gruesome discovery in just three weeks. Police have
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Speaker 6: actually blocked off the A10 heading northbound. This gruesome discovery
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Speaker 6: was made in a lay-by by a motorist who stopped
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Speaker 6: at lunchtime and found something in the woods. The police
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Speaker 6: not actually revealing what they have found there beyond the
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Speaker 6: fact that it is a body part.
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Speaker 3: Next call came in was the discovery of the leg
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Speaker 3: in the lay-by on the A10. Main road, the A10
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Speaker 3: in and out of London, quite a large lay-by, just
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Speaker 3: bordered with farmlands. A big search area for us and
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Speaker 3: an awful lot of litter, cigarette butts, crisp packets, sweet wrappers,
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Speaker 3: absolutely anything that was alien to that rural location was
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Speaker 3: seized by our forensic specialists. The amount of exhibits we
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Speaker 3: had after that fourth scene was absolutely enormous.
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Speaker 1: Police have now harvested thousands of exhibits but have nothing
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Speaker 1: that identifies a suspect or links the four crime scenes together.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes you will have CSIs that will work for 10,
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Speaker 4: 12 hours at a crime scene for three or four
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Speaker 4: days and none of their evidence actually comes to fruition,
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Speaker 4: which can be quite soul-destroying sometimes. It's at this stage
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Speaker 4: that we would then think even more outside the box
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Speaker 4: and we would consider more unique forensic techniques. We would
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Speaker 4: consult with different forensic scientists for suggestions about what their
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Speaker 4: evidence we might have recovered from the crime scenes. Is
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Speaker 4: there any other evidence that we could potentially look for
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Speaker 4: outside the normal DNA and fingerprints that we would consider fibres?
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Speaker 10: The investigative team came to the laboratory for a case
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Speaker 10: conference to ask for assistance and seeing what kind of
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Speaker 10: ways we could help them in terms of any scientific
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Speaker 10: evidence that might help the investigation proceed forward at that
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Speaker 10: point in time as they had absolutely no clue or
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Speaker 10: information regarding who may be responsible for this particular crime
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Speaker 10: or clue as to where this individual had been killed
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Speaker 10: or dismembered. During the meeting, we were shown photographs of
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Speaker 10: the body parts in the original packaging as they were found.
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Speaker 10: And what became clear at that time was, whilst the
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Speaker 10: body parts were being placed in these rubble sacks, they'd
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Speaker 10: use gaffer tape or duct tape to actually seal and
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Speaker 10: secure the packaging in place. Looking at that, it seemed
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Speaker 10: to me at the time, a potential line of inquiry
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Speaker 10: would be to actually carefully remove the tapes that used
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Speaker 10: to secure the packaging. and see if there was any
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Speaker 10: material such as fibres or indeed any other kind of
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Speaker 10: trace evidence that was present on the adhesive side of
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Speaker 10: the tape lift that had actually been secured or preserved
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Speaker 10: at the time of the dismemberment and packaging. The act
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Speaker 10: of actually pulling the tape can create a static charge
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Speaker 10: which attracts any fibres near to it to be drawn
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Speaker 10: to the adhesive. The tape was carefully removed from packages
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Speaker 10: put the adhesive side down onto a clear acetate sheet.
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Speaker 10: It meant we could actually turn the thing over and
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Speaker 10: examine it microscopically to see if there was any material there.
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Speaker 10: What we were looking for was what we call fibre collectives.
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Speaker 10: Groups of fibres that appear to have originated from the
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Speaker 10: same source. Entities that are probably somewhere between a tenth
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Speaker 10: and a quarter the width of a human hair and
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Speaker 10: less than a millimetre in length. The collectives that we
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Speaker 10: discovered on these sections of tape turned out to be
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Speaker 10: what we call flock fibers. A flock is what's called
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Speaker 10: a non-woven textile. It's formed by chopping sections of yarn
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Speaker 10: up into very, very short fragments and then electrically charging
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Speaker 10: them so that they stand upright. They have a very
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Speaker 10: distinctive texture to them. They actually, when you touch them,
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Speaker 10: they actually feel like a peach skin. And because it's
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Speaker 10: just stuck down, it's not woven, is it sheds incredibly well.
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Speaker 10: So the information we gave to an investigative team at
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Speaker 10: that time was, if you find a place of interest,
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Speaker 10: look for something that's blue in colour and has this
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Speaker 10: particular peachkin texture to it. Bring it to the lab
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Speaker 10: if you find such an item and then we'll perform
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Speaker 10: a comparison using different analytical techniques as well as microscopy.
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Speaker 1: As the detectives exhaust all the forensic angles, the killer
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Speaker 1: they are hunting provides them a new lead.
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Speaker 7: This is the fifth gruesome discovery in just three weeks.
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Speaker 7: A local farmer alerted police to what's believed to be
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Speaker 7: part of a male torso here at Gore Lane in
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Speaker 7: Standen in East Hertfordshire.
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Speaker 3: The call came in for the discovery of the torso
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Speaker 3: over the Easter weekends. The torso had been found in
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Speaker 3: a suitcase in Clash's Farm, not far from the A10.
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Speaker 7: It's likely to be from the same man whose legs, arms...
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Speaker 7: and Severed Head were found at locations around Hertfordshire and Leicestershire.
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Speaker 7: in the past three weeks.
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Speaker 3: The torso went to a local hospital. We had a
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Speaker 3: home office pathologist come out to conduct a post-mortem. That
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Speaker 3: really did give us some momentum on the investigation because
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Speaker 3: for the first time we discovered our cause of death,
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Speaker 3: which was crucial for us. We established that there were
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Speaker 3: two stab wounds through the back, one of which had
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Speaker 3: gone straight through the lung. The discovery of the torso
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Speaker 3: gave us a few more lines of inquiry and respect.
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Speaker 3: It reduced the age for us, so we were able
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Speaker 3: to be more specific on our search for missing persons
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Speaker 3: and our media appeal.
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Speaker 11: What police know so far is that he was white
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Speaker 11: or Asian in his mid-40s to early 60s, 5'6 to 5'10.
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Speaker 11: and large 16 or 17 stone.
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Speaker 1: The detectives revisit the missing person's national database. And whilst
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Speaker 1: Caroline is completing her depiction of the victim, police are
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Speaker 1: alerted to the recent disappearance of 49-year-old Londoner Jeffrey Howe.
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Speaker 3: It was Jeffrey Howe's brother who reported him as missing,
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Speaker 3: initially to Metropolitan Police Service, but then again to Thames
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Speaker 3: Valley Police. And as soon as we looked at Geoffrey
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Speaker 3: Howe's details, his age group and his weight, we just
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Speaker 3: knew that this could be it. This could be our victim.
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Speaker 4: Geoffrey Howe was adopted, so they weren't able to obtain
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Speaker 4: a familiar DNA profile from his brother. So the police
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Speaker 4: had to look at other ways to confirm that the
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Speaker 4: deceased was actually Geoffrey Howe.
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Speaker 8: The police came to us with an image of Jeffrey
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Speaker 8: for what's called a craniofacial superimposition to be produced, where
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Speaker 8: we superimpose the skull with the photograph to see how
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Speaker 8: well the proportions and shapes match up. We position that
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Speaker 8: based on where the orbits match the eyes, where the
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Speaker 8: nasal aperture matches the nose, and look at how the
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Speaker 8: jawline fits within his jawline in the photograph. In this case,
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Speaker 8: everything matched up enough that it was consistent. we could say, yes,
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Speaker 8: go ahead and try and do an identification.
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Speaker 3: We had two of our detectives taking the dental impressions
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Speaker 3: off to an expert who obtains Geoffrey's dental impressions from
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Speaker 3: his dentist. I think it was about four or five
22:16
Speaker 3: o'clock the following afternoon before we actually officially identified Geoffrey
22:21
Speaker 3: as our victim. When Geoffrey's brother reported him as missing,
22:28
Speaker 3: he said that two people were living inside Geoffrey's flat,
22:31
Speaker 3: one by the name of Sarah Bush and the other
22:33
Speaker 3: one by the name of Stephen Marshall. And as soon
22:36
Speaker 3: as I heard the name Stephen Marshall, I was thinking, well,
22:39
Speaker 3: it can't be one of the same.
22:51
Speaker 1: Police have confirmed that the dismembered body parts they discovered
22:54
Speaker 1: scattered across two counties belonged to 49-year-old Geoffrey Howe, who'd
23:00
Speaker 1: been reported missing by his adopted brother.
23:06
Speaker 3: We carried out some very fast-time research on Geoffrey Howe,
23:11
Speaker 3: on his address, on his background, and we'd actually identified
23:15
Speaker 3: a couple of people that had worked with him. What
23:18
Speaker 3: we can say about Geoffrey, he was a really lovely,
23:20
Speaker 3: genuine man. Hardworking, well thought of by his work colleagues
23:24
Speaker 3: and family. Worked all his life in the kitchen sales arena.
23:29
Speaker 3: Was good at engaging with people, was friendly, portrayed exactly
23:33
Speaker 3: what he was, a nice, nice man.
23:37
Speaker 5: Geoffrey was described as being very kind, caring, open, generous, sociable.
23:42
Speaker 5: He was described as having a heart of gold.
23:45
Speaker 3: When Jeffrey's brother reported him as missing, he said that
23:48
Speaker 3: two people were living inside Jeffrey's flat. Jeffrey took them
23:52
Speaker 3: both in because they had nowhere to live. They were
23:55
Speaker 3: on hard times. One by the name of Sarah Bush
23:58
Speaker 3: and the other one by the name of Stephen Marshall.
24:02
Speaker 3: I'd known Stephen Marshall from very early in my policing career.
24:07
Speaker 3: He and I had sort of grown up together, me
24:09
Speaker 3: as a young police officer and him learning his trade
24:13
Speaker 3: as a criminal, really. And our paths had crossed several times.
24:17
Speaker 3: In actual fact, I'd arrested him one morning with a
24:20
Speaker 3: prostitute for taking drugs, probably six, half past six on
24:24
Speaker 3: a Saturday morning outside a nightclub in Hemel Hempstead. And
24:27
Speaker 3: I'd become really, really excited because I just knew what
24:30
Speaker 3: Stephen Marshall was and I knew what he was capable of.
24:36
Speaker 3: We decided that we would go down to Geoffrey's home
24:38
Speaker 3: address on the pretense of a basic sort of generic
24:43
Speaker 3: routine missing person inquiry. As soon as that door was
24:49
Speaker 3: opened and as soon as I shook hands with Stephen Marshall,
24:52
Speaker 3: I just knew. Certainly at that point, Stephen didn't recognise
24:57
Speaker 3: me as that young PC from Hemel Hempstead all those
25:00
Speaker 3: years back. But I certainly recognised him because he was
25:04
Speaker 3: quite possibly unforgettable, really. He was quite an imposing character.
25:08
Speaker 3: He was a good six foot two tall, well built.
25:12
Speaker 3: He was well into his fitness several years previously. In
25:15
Speaker 3: actual fact, he'd had a failed business as a gym owner.
25:20
Speaker 3: I was nervous, but I could see that Stephen Marshall
25:22
Speaker 3: was more nervous than I was. We sat down in
25:26
Speaker 3: the kitchen, and I could see his leg just shaking
25:29
Speaker 3: underneath the table. And I just knew I needed to
25:33
Speaker 3: not raise any of his suspicions, really. We had quite
25:38
Speaker 3: a polite conversation. just chatting about himself and his girlfriend,
25:42
Speaker 3: Sarah Bush. And then, obviously, on to Geoffrey, and where
25:46
Speaker 3: was Geoffrey? Both Sarah and Stephen had said that they'd
25:53
Speaker 3: last seen him in February time. Geoffrey had financial troubles,
25:57
Speaker 3: didn't know where he'd gone, he'd just upped and left.
26:00
Speaker 3: And he couldn't really give any more detail about that,
26:02
Speaker 3: which straightaway was ringing alarm bells for me, because he
26:06
Speaker 3: portrayed Geoffrey to be one of his best mates. Geoffrey
26:09
Speaker 3: had allowed him to stay in his flat, so surely
26:12
Speaker 3: he must have known where he was, who he was with,
26:15
Speaker 3: where he'd gone. I recorded everything contemporaneously in a book
26:20
Speaker 3: quite deliberately because I knew that's probably going to prove
26:24
Speaker 3: quite crucial in our investigation and later on at court.
26:28
Speaker 3: I could see through him that he was lying, wasn't
26:31
Speaker 3: making an awful lot of sense. Had a look around
26:35
Speaker 3: the flat and there was no bed. which was unusual.
26:39
Speaker 3: There was just a blow-up inflatable on the floor, which
26:43
Speaker 3: we really couldn't figure out why that was. So it
26:47
Speaker 3: just wasn't right. I just knew that I needed to
26:50
Speaker 3: leave the flat, just to give us a little bit
26:52
Speaker 3: of time to decide exactly what we were going to do.
26:58
Speaker 3: We had a brief discussion, and I just said, look,
27:01
Speaker 3: it's Stephen and Sarah. I know it's them. Get them in.
27:05
Speaker 3: We had a number of different officers outside, called them
27:07
Speaker 3: all in, And I just walked in and said, Stephen Marshall,
27:12
Speaker 3: I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Geoffrey Howe.
27:16
Speaker 3: He recognised me at that point as being from Hertfordshire
27:20
Speaker 3: and said, I remember you now. Stephen Marshall was under arrest,
27:24
Speaker 3: Sarah Bush was under arrest, and then we took them
27:27
Speaker 3: back to Hertfordshire.
27:32
Speaker 9: Are you surprised to learn that Geoffrey Howe's been murdered?
27:35
Speaker 10: Not quite.
27:36
Speaker 9: How did you feel when you found that he'd been murdered?
27:38
Speaker 7: No comment.
27:39
Speaker 3: Stephen Marshall refused to answer any of our questions, just
27:43
Speaker 3: made no comment to everything he was asked.
27:45
Speaker 9: Are you surprised that he's been murdered?
27:46
Speaker 2: No comment.
27:47
Speaker 9: What can you tell me in relation to his murder?
27:50
Speaker 1: No comment.
27:51
Speaker 9: Do you feel upset by his death? No comment.
27:54
Speaker 3: If he was an innocent man, why wasn't he helping
27:56
Speaker 3: us with our inquiries? Why wasn't he talking? Why wasn't
27:58
Speaker 3: he engaging with us?
28:00
Speaker 9: Do you feel upset by the fact that not only
28:01
Speaker 9: has he been murdered, but someone's chosen to dismember him
28:04
Speaker 9: and placed parts of his body around the countryside.
28:07
Speaker 7: No comment.
28:08
Speaker 9: How does that make you feel?
28:10
Speaker 3: No comment. I think Sarah Bush was less comfortable with
28:13
Speaker 3: the cell block environment, less comfortable in telling the lies
28:17
Speaker 3: that Stephen Marshall was. He just knew he had to
28:20
Speaker 3: keep quiet, say nothing and make the police prove it.
28:24
Speaker 9: Are you responsible for the killing and the dismembering of
28:27
Speaker 9: your friend Geoffrey Howe? If so, why did you kill
28:31
Speaker 9: and dismember Geoffrey Howe?
28:32
Speaker 3: No comment. It really was all the circumstantial evidence at
28:36
Speaker 3: that time, but we need hard and fast evidence. We
28:40
Speaker 3: need forensic evidence to say that was the scene. This
28:43
Speaker 3: is the room we took place in, and this is
28:45
Speaker 3: how it took place. The flat was deemed our crime scene.
28:51
Speaker 3: We couldn't really see too much signs of it being
28:55
Speaker 3: the scene of the murder.
28:58
Speaker 4: If someone's been murdered as brutally and as horrifically as
29:01
Speaker 4: Geoffrey Howe was, and then cut up into several different
29:04
Speaker 4: body parts, even if you've cleaned up as well as
29:07
Speaker 4: you can, it's highly likely that we will find a
29:10
Speaker 4: lot of blood at the scene, a lot of blood
29:12
Speaker 4: pattern distribution. We would lift the carpets up, we'd look
29:16
Speaker 4: in the floorboards to see if there's any traces of blood.
29:19
Speaker 1: Forensic scientists use ultraviolet technology to investigate the bedroom where
29:25
Speaker 1: the airbeds were.
29:27
Speaker 3: Once you started taking up carpets into the underlay, it
29:30
Speaker 3: just looked like brown staining. The forensic team utilised ultraviolet
29:35
Speaker 3: lighting that showed up just an excessive amount of blood.
29:42
Speaker 3: We took off skirting boards. In the grout in between
29:45
Speaker 3: the tiles, there was an excessive amount of Geoffrey's blood.
29:49
Speaker 3: They'd done a really good clean-up operation inside the flat,
29:52
Speaker 3: but not good enough to stump the forensic team. It
29:56
Speaker 3: was identified that the murder had taken place, we believe,
30:00
Speaker 3: inside the master bedroom. Dismemberment had taken place between the
30:05
Speaker 3: bedroom and the en-suite shower room. Maybe Geoffrey had fallen
30:09
Speaker 3: onto the bed. The mattress and the bed were just covered,
30:13
Speaker 3: very heavily soiled in Geoffrey's blood. So they had to
30:16
Speaker 3: get rid of those. As a result of our house-to-house inquiries,
30:22
Speaker 3: we identified a local resident that had seen a male
30:25
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks previously carrying a mattress from Jeffrey
30:29
Speaker 3: Howe's block of flats to a local bin store. It
30:32
Speaker 3: was fortuitous that on the day of the arrest, that
30:35
Speaker 3: resident was at home and saw Russ walking Stephen Marshall
30:38
Speaker 3: out from the flat. And she identified in a witness
30:41
Speaker 3: testimony that the bloke that she had seen carrying the
30:45
Speaker 3: mattress those weeks previously out to the local bin store
30:48
Speaker 3: was the same person that we'd arrested. They had the
30:57
Speaker 3: blow-up beds replaced with a heavily soiled mattress. We now
31:02
Speaker 3: needed to link the missing beds, the blow-up beds, to
31:06
Speaker 3: the death and to the dismemberment. And that was where
31:09
Speaker 3: the fibre work came in. Unbeknown to us at that time,
31:13
Speaker 3: the material on the blow-up beds was going to prove
31:16
Speaker 3: absolutely enormous to the investigation.
31:21
Speaker 1: Dr Ray Palmer identified various fibres in the duct tape
31:25
Speaker 1: used to wrap the first limb that was discovered in
31:28
Speaker 1: the blue rubble sack. If he can link the body
31:31
Speaker 1: parts to Stephen Marshall and Sarah Bush, it will be
31:34
Speaker 1: a massive win for the investigation.
31:37
Speaker 10: The phone rang from one of the investigative team to
31:39
Speaker 10: say that they'd found a potential source for these flock fibres.
31:44
Speaker 10: We immediately asked the investigative team to bring us these
31:47
Speaker 10: items so that we could take samples from it and
31:49
Speaker 10: compare it to the a collective of fibres that we
31:52
Speaker 10: found on the tapes. This source turned out to be
31:56
Speaker 10: an inflatable mattress, which had a plastic substrate which obviously inflated.
32:02
Speaker 10: But on top of that, there was a layer of
32:04
Speaker 10: dark blue flock. Being on a clear acetate sheet, it
32:08
Speaker 10: meant we could examine it microscopically. We'd take representative samples
32:12
Speaker 10: from the areas of flock that were on these items.
32:16
Speaker 10: These are then placed on a comparison microscope which allows
32:19
Speaker 10: you to look at the reference sample from the mattresses
32:23
Speaker 10: against the fibers from the tapes that used to secure
32:26
Speaker 10: the packaging. In the event that the comparison microscopy shows
32:32
Speaker 10: no differences, then we move on to the next analytical stage,
32:36
Speaker 10: which involves the use of an instrument called a microspectrophotometer
32:39
Speaker 10: that compares the color between the question sample and the
32:44
Speaker 10: control sample. Again, any differences, you would exclude it. In
32:49
Speaker 10: the event that you cannot exclude these samples by this
32:52
Speaker 10: form of comparison, then we would move on to another
32:55
Speaker 10: technique called Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy, which compares the chemical
32:59
Speaker 10: structure of the fibres down to the molecular level. Throughout
33:02
Speaker 10: this process, we've used this whole battery of comparative tests.
33:06
Speaker 10: And in each test that we performed, there were no
33:08
Speaker 10: differences between the samples. Consequently, we were very confident that
33:13
Speaker 10: these inflatable mattresses were the source of the collective fibres
33:16
Speaker 10: that we found on the tapes.
33:19
Speaker 3: Those blow-up beds must have been in that room at
33:23
Speaker 3: the time that Stephen Marshall dismembered Geoffrey Howe, wrapped up
33:28
Speaker 3: those body parts prior to discarding them.
33:32
Speaker 10: What they were actually doing was sealing in evidence relating
33:36
Speaker 10: to that particular environment. They would have been unaware of that.
33:40
Speaker 10: Once we'd identified and compared the flock collectives from the tapes,
33:44
Speaker 10: we went back to the tapes to see if there
33:45
Speaker 10: was anything else present. And we found a number of
33:50
Speaker 10: green polyester, as well as maroon polyester collectives.
33:56
Speaker 3: Stephen Marshall had been known to wear some green polo
33:59
Speaker 3: shirts that had embossed with his old gymnasium that he
34:04
Speaker 3: once owned.
34:06
Speaker 1: The thorough search of the flat leads police to the
34:08
Speaker 1: laundry basket, where they seize Marshall's clothing.
34:12
Speaker 10: Polyester fibres had quite distinctive features, and that's what they
34:15
Speaker 10: call flamed ends. It's essentially, when the fabric's made, it's
34:19
Speaker 10: passed under a heated surface and it melts the top
34:21
Speaker 10: layer of the polyester fibres to give it almost like
34:24
Speaker 10: a stay-pressed kind of appearance. Under the microscope, the fibres
34:29
Speaker 10: from the tapings from the body parts exhibited the same features.
34:33
Speaker 10: All the analytical tests, they were indistinguishable.
34:39
Speaker 3: It was those two items, actually, that proved really, really
34:44
Speaker 3: just brilliant or not... the forensic evidence.
34:49
Speaker 10: It's a bit like the numbers in a lottery. The
34:52
Speaker 10: more numbers you have, the less likely it is that
34:55
Speaker 10: it's going to be a chance event. Given the amount
34:58
Speaker 10: of fibre evidence that was found on the adhesive tapes
35:02
Speaker 10: demonstrates a very little knowledge about fibre transfers or about
35:07
Speaker 10: indeed fibre evidence and how useful it can be.
35:15
Speaker 9: I believe he was a friend or an associate of yours.
35:17
Speaker 3: No comment.
35:18
Speaker 9: And my understanding is he's been quite kind to you
35:20
Speaker 9: in the past by allowing you to stay at his
35:22
Speaker 9: home address.
35:23
Speaker 10: No comment.
35:24
Speaker 3: You would expect anybody that had been accused of murder
35:29
Speaker 3: to shout from the rooftops that I'm an innocent man,
35:31
Speaker 3: that I didn't do this, and especially as a fact
35:34
Speaker 3: that Geoffrey Howe was supposedly one of his best mates.
35:38
Speaker 1: Just weeks before his death, Geoffrey had told friends that
35:41
Speaker 1: he felt he was being used by Marshall and Bush.
35:45
Speaker 5: It's reported that Geoffrey became more and more impatient as
35:49
Speaker 5: time went on and it got to a point where
35:52
Speaker 5: Geoffrey asked them to pay some rent and they refused.
35:56
Speaker 9: You've called him, he's not returning your calls. You do
35:59
Speaker 9: see him on the 6th. How did he appear on
36:02
Speaker 9: that day? He seemed really lost. In what respect? Just
36:08
Speaker 9: didn't know what to do with himself. Just said, have
36:10
Speaker 9: you got that money for the rent?
36:14
Speaker 4: OK.
36:14
Speaker 8: I don't think.
36:17
Speaker 9: He appeared different to normal then?
36:18
Speaker 8: Yeah.
36:19
Speaker 5: At the point at which the relationship between Stephen and
36:22
Speaker 5: Geoffrey soured, it's possible that Stephen decided that he wanted
36:26
Speaker 5: to almost eliminate Geoffrey so that he would still have
36:29
Speaker 5: access to the housing and the money and the food
36:32
Speaker 5: continually in the future.
36:35
Speaker 1: The physical forensic evidence is painting the picture of what
36:37
Speaker 1: happened to Geoffrey. Meanwhile, the digital forensic team makes discoveries
36:42
Speaker 1: which suggest the reason he was murdered.
36:44
Speaker 3: Well, our motive was to plunder Geoffrey Howe's assets.
36:57
Speaker 1: Stephen Marshall and Sarah Bush have been charged with the
37:00
Speaker 1: murder and dismemberment of kitchen salesman Geoffrey Howe. Police must
37:05
Speaker 1: now analyse the digital forensics to prove the motive behind
37:09
Speaker 1: the murder.
37:12
Speaker 3: Post-charge, once Sarah Bush and Stephen Marshall were locked up
37:16
Speaker 3: on remand in prison, the investigation just picks up pace, really.
37:23
Speaker 3: The telephone work takes time. We need to get that
37:26
Speaker 3: lawfully from all the service providers. We got all the
37:29
Speaker 3: data back from Jeffrey's phone to prove that that had
37:32
Speaker 3: stopped working on the Sunday, which was probably the day
37:36
Speaker 3: of his murder. The handset was then sold by Stephen
37:40
Speaker 3: Marshall the following day, on the Monday. They'd sold Jeffrey
37:44
Speaker 3: Howe's car on eBay several days after his murder. And
37:50
Speaker 3: we'd identified where that car was. We'd obtained witness testimony
37:55
Speaker 3: from the person that purchased the car.
38:02
Speaker 4: There was a handwritten receipt for the sale of a
38:03
Speaker 4: vehicle and you can get really good fingerprints from paper.
38:07
Speaker 4: If the fingerprints are really fresh, you might be able
38:10
Speaker 4: to use certain magnetic powder on the paper, which will
38:13
Speaker 4: also develop any fresh fingerprints. So finding fingerprints on paper
38:17
Speaker 4: again would then potentially tie an offender to a transaction.
38:21
Speaker 4: You might also be able to use a treatment called ninhydrin,
38:24
Speaker 4: which is a chemical which turns fingerprints on paper into
38:27
Speaker 4: a purple colour.
38:28
Speaker 1: Scientists supply ninhydrin to the receipt, which reacts with the
38:31
Speaker 1: amino acid of the fingerprints, which subsequently turn purple. Several
38:36
Speaker 1: of the fingerprints revealed were a positive match to Stephen Marshall.
38:41
Speaker 1: Detectives investigate Jeffrey Howe's bank activity, which further supports the
38:45
Speaker 1: motive behind his murder.
38:47
Speaker 3: Sarah Bush had paid off a Cineworld account. She had
38:52
Speaker 3: opened up a Littlewoods catalogue account, made different purchases. tried
38:57
Speaker 3: to sell Geoffrey Howe's dining room table. It was worth
39:00
Speaker 3: about £ 4, 000 or £ 5, 000. They had completely plundered his bank account.
39:04
Speaker 3: Stephen Marshall had written out about eight cheques, some to himself,
39:09
Speaker 3: some to Sarah Bush, and six or seven cheques to
39:12
Speaker 3: a friend of his that he owed £ 800 to.
39:14
Speaker 5: In terms of taking petrol without paying for petrol, selling
39:19
Speaker 5: Geoffrey's car, ordering regular takeaways, cashing cheques in view of
39:24
Speaker 5: CCTV and so on. There's a juxtaposition with the very organised, planned,
39:29
Speaker 5: meticulous element with the killing, dismembering and distributing of body
39:33
Speaker 5: parts versus the frenzied spending spree that ensued. And perhaps
39:39
Speaker 5: that was an element of not being.
39:40
Speaker 1: Able to defer that gratification.
39:42
Speaker 5: So having sudden access to these resources, namely money, and
39:47
Speaker 5: wanting to go out and use them. They, in some ways,
39:50
Speaker 5: stopped thinking things through so fully and comprehensively and were
39:55
Speaker 5: almost distracted by the easy access to money.
39:59
Speaker 3: At that time, we knew that Stephen Marshall was the
40:02
Speaker 3: owner of a Seat Toledo. And that was forensically recovered
40:06
Speaker 3: back to one of our labs. Painstakingly gone through both
40:11
Speaker 3: the fibre work, fingerprints, DNA, and to harvest all of
40:16
Speaker 3: the exhibits out of that car.
40:19
Speaker 1: Forensic officers compare the tire track casts taken at the
40:23
Speaker 1: deposition sites to the tire tread of Marshal C at Toledo,
40:27
Speaker 1: but there is no match. However, what they discover in
40:31
Speaker 1: the boot of the car will be crucial to the investigation.
40:35
Speaker 3: We were just blessed to eventually find some blood. I
40:38
Speaker 3: think it was a worktop sample that Stephen has carried
40:41
Speaker 3: around in the boot of the car. And they found
40:44
Speaker 3: some staining on that and sent it off for DNA analysis.
40:48
Speaker 3: we were able to link Geoffrey Howe's blood to the
40:51
Speaker 3: boot of Stephen Marshall's car. That vehicle must have been
40:55
Speaker 3: used to transport the body parts across Hertfordshire up into
40:59
Speaker 3: Leicestershire for the deposition. We were able to do cell
41:04
Speaker 3: site analysis to track both Sarah Bush and Stephen Marshall
41:09
Speaker 3: up the M1 motorway up towards Leicestershire and back again
41:13
Speaker 3: on the particular day that we say they deposited the skull.
41:22
Speaker 3: The trial was held at St Albans Crown Court. And
41:26
Speaker 3: I've got to say that when I saw him in
41:27
Speaker 3: the dock, he seemed to be a bit of a
41:29
Speaker 3: shadow of his former self, really, because I always saw
41:31
Speaker 3: him as a very imposing man. He appeared to me
41:35
Speaker 3: to be a broken man when he was sat in
41:36
Speaker 3: the dock. Stephen Marshall said, nothing to do with me,
41:40
Speaker 3: it's all Sarah Bush. But the telephony worker told us
41:44
Speaker 3: that Sarah Bush probably wasn't at the flat at the
41:48
Speaker 3: time of the murder. At the time of the murder,
41:50
Speaker 3: we believed that she was away visiting a friend.
41:53
Speaker 1: The compelling evidence against Marshall finally brought on a confession.
42:00
Speaker 3: The evidence was so overwhelming that partway through the trial,
42:04
Speaker 3: Stephen Marshall just threw in the towel, gave up and
42:07
Speaker 3: realised that he was going to be convicted and he
42:10
Speaker 3: pleaded guilty partway through the trial. It was so rewarding
42:13
Speaker 3: to hear that Stephen Marshall had actually said, yes, I
42:16
Speaker 3: did murder Geoffrey Howell. That was great for Geoffrey's family.
42:20
Speaker 3: It was great for the public. But it was good
42:22
Speaker 3: for the team to know that we were right all along.
42:26
Speaker 1: The murder charge against Bush was withdrawn. She was sentenced
42:30
Speaker 1: to three years and nine months for perverting the course
42:33
Speaker 1: of justice. Having confessed to the murder and dismemberment of
42:38
Speaker 1: Geoffrey Howe, Marshall told the court he had also dismembered
42:42
Speaker 1: other bodies.
42:43
Speaker 3: What we had evidenced was there was a... a firm
42:47
Speaker 3: link between Stephen Marshall and a well-known North London crime family.
42:51
Speaker 3: And other witness testimony was obtained whereby Stephen had told
42:55
Speaker 3: people that, in actual fact, he'd carried out other dismemberments
42:59
Speaker 3: on behalf of this North London crime family, and this
43:02
Speaker 3: wasn't his first time, and this is why he'd become
43:05
Speaker 3: so proficient at dismemberment.
43:07
Speaker 1: Stephen Marshall was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term.
43:11
Speaker 2: Of 36 years.
43:14
Speaker 3: Certainly one of the most high-profile investigations I'd ever been
43:18
Speaker 3: proud to be part of. It was a real team effort.
43:22
Speaker 3: We were blessed to have a real quality bunch of
43:24
Speaker 3: detectives on that case. It's never about one detective. It's
43:27
Speaker 3: all about the whole team around. It was really rewarding
43:30
Speaker 3: for the team. All the hard work that everyone had
43:33
Speaker 3: put into that case came to fruition. Stephen Marshall was
43:38
Speaker 3: a dangerous individual. I learned lots from that investigation. And
43:43
Speaker 3: above all, probably learned always to go with my gut feeling.
43:48
Speaker 3: One thing that came out of the investigation and speaking
43:51
Speaker 3: to lots of family and friends of Geoffrey Howe was
43:55
Speaker 3: how Stephen Marshall and Sarah Bush took advantage of Geoffrey
43:59
Speaker 3: Howe's good character. All Geoffrey tried to do was to
44:01
Speaker 3: help them and be friendly towards them. Just so sad
44:05
Speaker 3: that his life was taken away so early.