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Episode 7: Summer Overstreet & Savana Santos on creative chemistry, trusting your instincts & The Women of Cheatham County · Women's Writes

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Hi, I'm Parker Welling. And I'm Lydia Vaughan.
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And this is Women's Writes. We're staff songwriters
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and close friends, and we're here to highlight
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some of country music's most iconic songwriting
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combos. And give you a peek behind the curtain
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into their stories, friendships, and songs. So
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let's get into it. Today we have Summer Overstreet
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and Savana Santos. Summer is a Nashville -born
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singer -songwriter whose songs have been recorded
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by artists like Tucker Wetmore, Jake Owen, Hudson
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Westbrook, and Max McNown. She earned her first
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country radio number one with Tucker Wetmore's
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321, and she brings her distinct voice in songwriting.
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to her own record, The Women of Cheatham County,
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which we will be talking about today. Savannah
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is a songwriter, producer, and artist who first
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broke through as a member of the band Avenue
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Beat, the trio behind the viral hit F2020, which
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was the song that resonated so deeply with all
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of us because it's exactly what everyone was
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thinking in 2020. Alongside her own artist releases,
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her writing credits include songs recorded by
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Little Big Town, J .P. Sax, B. Miller, and Lily
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Rose. Their creative history includes Avenue
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Beat songs like I Don't Really Like Your Boyfriend
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and This Is Goodbye, which also features Summer.
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Now their collaboration continues on Summer's
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record, The Women of Cheatham County, including
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their joint release, Good Little Industry Girl.
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So we are so excited to welcome Summer and Savana.
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Thank you for having us. We've been talking about
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this before we started filming, but getting Savana
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here was a feat. I feel like I was texting constantly
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being like, no, but you should come. You're really
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great and what you guys did is really great together.
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We really want to have you. You had good convincing
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skills. Well, we love both of us. We love both
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of us were talking before the record that you
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guys made is so good. We were like, I like this
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song. No, I like this song. No, I like this song.
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Hard to pick a favorite. It's so hard to pick
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a favorite. Thanks. So take us back. How did
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you two meet and start writing together? Take
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it away somewhere. Well, we met I believe 2017
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when at the time I was writing for my dad's publishing
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company and my sister was doing my calendar.
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So she had mentioned this group, AmuBeat, that
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like I think they must have been just fresh 18
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at the time that she wanted me to write with
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because she loved one of their songs, I think
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House Divided, which is still a fave. It's a
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fave. It was so good. So we had our first session
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in like my dad's studio writing room and we wrote
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this song called Delight that ended up being
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on their album when they later signed to Big
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Machine. And I remember writing with them and
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I was like, I kind of would just say ridiculous
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shit and they were like, yeah. We ate it up.
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I love that. I remember it being one of the first
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times that my silly side, nobody was like, all
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right, yeah, well, that'll be fun later when
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we aren't really writing a song. So I was like,
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this is really fun. And you kind of could just,
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I feel like it opened a whole different, like,
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style of writing for me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love
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that so much. I feel like I love that you guys
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have, like, a resurgence of Avenue Beat now.
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Oh, yeah. Whoa. Isn't that so? Because that's
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how I met you. You were, like, 15 when I met
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you. Oh, yeah. Did we start writing when I was
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18? You guys might have... I was younger. I don't
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know. What year were you born? It was a long
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time ago. I'm going to share that. Like, everybody
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younger than me was... Like when I started, I
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couldn't believe how good y 'all were for being
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so young. That's so sweet. But I will say, when
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you're talking about this, also, I don't remember
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anything that's ever happened to me. So when
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I'm listening to summer talk, it's like hearing
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a story for the first time. And I'm like, whoa,
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interesting. I love that. That's so funny. That
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is relatable. I think you guys came out like
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maybe a couple months before that because you
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were with like charity or something. We would
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come to Nashville for a week every month of our
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senior year of high school. And I think we started
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riding on one of those trips. And I just remember
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like riding with Summer was the first time I
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had a session and I was like... that's the type
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of writer that I want to be. Like, I feel like
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I hadn't... Oh, my God. Absolutely adorable.
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No, I'm trying to remember. I'm remembering it
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now. Like, I... Yeah, we'd gone through the ringer
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of, like, writing with people in town. They throw
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you, when you're young, they'll just, like, throw
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you in with anyone. And writing with her was
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the first time where I was like, oh, my gosh.
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Firstly, a woman. Wow. happy to be here. What
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a concept. And also I just loved everything she
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said. Like, and I stand by the fact that you're
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literally my favorite writer still and the best
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writer I know. And the fact that like, I got
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to like learn from the beginning from you is
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cool. Oh, I love that. Okay, so this kind of
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sets up something I wanted to ask y 'all. What
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does the other person that, like, makes you excited
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to bring them an idea? Like, you guys have touched
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on it a little bit, being like, I feel like I
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could say anything, whatever, but is there something
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that they do in a room that you're like, oh,
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I know that this is the person for the idea every
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time? Summer's brain? Like, you guys have written
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with her, right? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So you know
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how it works, like, with the lyrics. It's like,
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the song is a puzzle, and she can fill in the
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puzzle. with full pieces. You'll talk about a
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concept, and then she'll just say a verse. It'll
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just come out in a full sentence, and it's just
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the wildest thing. I find it so impressive, and
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I just love your brain. What I love most about
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bringing ideas to Savannah is, A, she just is
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so able to go there and - push and so for the
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like more ideas that I'm like not sure about
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how they're gonna kind of land I know that if
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it's not like if it's like kind of just an idea
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that's like shock value or okay she's not gonna
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respond to it but she will be like get excited
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and also melodies like she always pushes it like
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that further where it's like modern and it hits
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in like a better way than I would naturally think
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of also lyrics, it's like the perfect tweak.
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It takes about 10 years off my writing, which
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is great. It makes it young and hip. I'm sorry.
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I just know it's in perfect hands, so I can say
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stupid things that aren't really formed. One
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of the later, this is a more recent event, I
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guess, because we've been working together so
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long, but I'll mumble something that won't even
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be words. I'll start with one word. She goes,
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yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like. Well,
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I didn't say anything, but I love that you understood
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where I was going with it. It's because I know
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whatever you mumble, like, is gonna turn into
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the thing. It's trust. I feel like that's just,
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you know. And also, like, I feel like I'm really
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in tune with if it's not sitting right with her,
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like, where, like, she didn't have to say it.
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I'll just... um feel and be able to like pick
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up on like okay well and i love that so i don't
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have to be confrontational in any way she can
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just feel it i think it's what's cool i mean
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i've written with both of you and listening to
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like the record i can hear like pieces of both
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of you like obviously you're singing most of
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it like you're singing a lot of background vocals
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and things and you do have like leads on some
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songs but I can hear fingerprints of both of
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your songwriting in it, and it's really cool.
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Do you feel like there's things that either of
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you have absorbed from the other, and it's kind
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of meshing? Or do you feel like you still have
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your specific tone of voice, or are you just
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so aligned that it's kind of... I'm just curious
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what you think about that, because you guys have
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written so many songs together. So many. I think
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what's cool is that we've gotten to write...
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in so many iterations, like with so many different
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projects, since we've written for so long, like
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almost 10 years, what the fuck? Like, can I say
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fuck? Okay. That we've literally had Avenue B,
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summer's artist project. We work with other artists,
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like a few other female artists that we love.
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And so we get to like take... it into different
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spaces, which molds it into different things.
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But we always have the central thing. I don't
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know. You go, you take it away. I mean, for me,
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I definitely feel like there's fingerprints of
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Savannah just because I've always thought like
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from first time we wrote that she was so talented
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and it was such like a different, fresh kind
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of perspective. And I feel like naturally I've
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always been like something that I like. And I'm
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like, oh, that's really cool. I've always kind
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of tried to figure out how to like replicate
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it in some way. So I can't say for 100 % that
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it's not. Like I feel like it's probably made
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its way into my writing. It just sort of the
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stream of consciousness, like honesty kind of
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like definitely the fucks. I'm definitely that
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part. Bleep it out. But yeah, I would say. That's
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very sweet like you had said that you wanted
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like when you wrote with here like that's the
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writer I want to be do you feel like as you've
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written with her you've become closer to the
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writer you want to be or do you think she's like
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Enhanced what makes you you too? from the beginning
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like I feel like she's just a part of my songwriting
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DNA like when you I feel like that's what becoming
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your own songwriter is is writing with a bunch
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of different people trying to Pick up what you
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like what you don't like and then like turn that
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into your own stew of what you the the creativity
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and the the I don't know what I'm trying to say,
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but like the thing that you can provide to a
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room is and She was just such a huge part of
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mine. So like it feels impossible to think of
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the songwriter that I am today and - Without
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that. Yeah. Right. That makes so much sense.
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No, that does make total sense. Especially because
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you were so young when you all started working
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together. It's like all of that like formative
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part of becoming a songwriter. Right. Yeah. But
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at the same time, you can't replicate it. Like
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she's one of one and like - But so are you. I
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think that's what's so cool about it. It's like
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we were saying this before we turned on cameras,
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but I feel like listening to - the women of Cheatham
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County is like is girlhood. I don't know how
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to explain it, but like the themes of the record,
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the songs, it like takes you on this crazy journey,
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but there's this like undertone of friendship
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throughout the whole thing. So I want to talk
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about the record. The first two songs kind of
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set the tone. What like made you guys write So
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Strange and Good Little Industry Girl? And what
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made you be like, these are the ones that start
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the record? I think the interesting thing about
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those top two is that Good Little Industry Girl
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was probably the first one that we wrote where
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it was going into this lane where the project
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ended up. So it was the first one that let it
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off. And So Strange was kind of the last one
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that I didn't, I think in the initial like collection
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of songs wasn't going to beyond like we didn't
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have thought. And then I remembered because we
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like still had some tweaking to do on like a
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second verse or something. And we knew obviously
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we liked it. We wanted to write about it. We
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were drinking orange wine or whatever wine with
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skin contact. I don't know. Whatever, whatever
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Gina. Oh yeah, orange wine is like with the like
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grape skin. Whatever, whatever wine Gina brought.
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And we kind of wanted to do any like some sort
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of like a Celtic like Lilt. vibe to this song.
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And so we kind of were just going as we were
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writing it. But I loved how it turned out. And
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so then kind of brought it up at the tail end
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of that process. And then I'm pretty sure Savannah
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ordered all of the songs, which is another reason.
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She's got such a natural gift for A &R and how
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to put a project together and how to. If it were
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up to me, I'd be like, slow fast, slow fast,
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slow fast. The narrative is all her. That's where
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they ended up back to back. It's awesome. Just
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listening down over and over again, I was like,
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if I wasn't a part of this, I would be like.
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It's great. The progression of the entire record
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is really great, but those two songs back to
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back really set the tone for what the record.
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And I was gonna ask too, when you guys, like
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did you start writing some of these songs and
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then go, oh, these are really cool. We should
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do a record together or did you sit down already
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knowing you wanted to make a record together
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and write these songs specifically for it? I
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think, tell me if my memory is wrong, correct
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me. I had like a phase where I just wasn't doing
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music as much because. I'd been doing it for
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so long, and I found pottery and other things
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that I enjoyed. And so I was in that era. I wasn't
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in a music headspace. And then summer came to
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me one day and was like, hey, I want to make
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an album. Would you want to do that? And I was
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like, whoa, I haven't done music in a minute.
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I haven't been in this world. But there's literally
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no one. on this planet that I would want to make
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an album with more than you. So obviously, yes.
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So it was kind of like getting back into music
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for me, which is a gift. Yeah. What a fun way
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to do that too with one of your friends and in
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such a creatively free way. Yeah. Okay. And I
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want to ask you, Summer, so you went to Savannah
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and said, hey, I want to make a record. where
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did that come from for you as far as like, well,
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because here's what I want to know because a
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lot of songwriters will write songs for pitch
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or other artists that don't end up not getting
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cut. And then maybe one day they'll go, oh, I
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like all these songs that I wrote for other people
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and they're just sitting in a catalog unheard.
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Let me just put a record out just for the joy
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or whatever. You wanted to make a record and
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then you intentionally wrote for the record.
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Where did that come from? To be completely honest
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it was kind of a very self -serving place because
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I think I had being in the trio that I was in
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like it was there was a quite a few things that
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happened to like make me like want to do it but
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the trio was one where I felt like I was doing
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a lot of the heavy lifting and song writing and
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social media promotion, all this stuff. Not by
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people who knew me, but by people who weren't
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as familiar because my name at the time was slower
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on the totem pole. I would just get treated like
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a sideman. I was there for hire. It felt weird
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to go, no, I can. Right, so like I can do this
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and like that kind of mattered to me because
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I put so much of myself into like every song
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I write and Then there were like a few it all
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had to do with kind of like wanting to be able
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to Show what I could do in terms of like what
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you get from me in a project and then it was
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like When that story started to like fizzle and
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slow down. I was like this might I wanted to
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challenge myself and see if I could make like
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start something and finish it and make a project
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that was something that I did. And I didn't have
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a timeline. I didn't want to do any of the classic
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stuff that you do to promote it. I was like so
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soured on the whole process, but I knew that
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I wanted to like make something. So when I came
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to Savannah, it was just like. This is low stakes.
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She said, in the chillest way possible. I was
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like, sign me up. I was like, it could take two
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years. There's no deadline. When we have the
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songs, we'll have the songs. If I go away for
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six months, it would just be as we get them.
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I already had a few stocked up that I had either
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written by myself or just were ones that were
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early favorites. we were writing for our friend
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Gina Vanier, so we kind of took a trip to the
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Cayman Islands to the three of us to write. I
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don't remember what we were going to write for.
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I don't know if we had anything. I wasn't thinking
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for me, but we just kind of naturally wrote these
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very girlhood and friendship sort of theme songs
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and a lot of... You know angst about business
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just observations and they were all in the same
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like vein So I think at the time we were going
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these songs really cool. This would make an awesome
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like theme of a record Yeah, so tell us about
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the title the women of Cheatham County. Where
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did that come from? I love it because I currently
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myself am a woman of Cheatham County. Can't beat
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them Cheatham baby. So where did that? Cheatham
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high, Cheatham low. So where did that title come
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from? Gosh, that was completely Savannah. Obviously
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I was born and raised in Cheatham County. So
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that was kind of like, she just asked like, where
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is this place? Like what's the county called?
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Where is this middle of nowhere? So like she
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came up with the whole title of the album, which
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like, I think I was listening down when we'd
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gotten pretty far into the process and I was
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listening top to bottom. And I was like, or maybe
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I had like a shower idea, you know, those ideas
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that just pop into your brain and then you can't
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stop thinking about them. And I was like, this
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album sounds like the stories of multiple women,
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not just like one. It sounds like, like a thing.
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So I guess that's where it came from. I liked
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the idea of, yeah. Yeah, it not being like a
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song that was on there, which was gonna be my
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stupid idea. Your brilliant idea. Look, I'm really
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good at song writing, not song selling or marketing,
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which is fine. You don't have to be. No, but
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that was, she mentioned, I was like, oh my gosh,
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that's so sick. Just naturally genius. I wanna
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talk about WWE because - From a production standpoint,
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it's wild. And I love it. I'm trying to remember
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what I did. Oh, god. The verse and the chorus
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almost feel like... Oh, yeah. They almost feel
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like different songs, but they still feel cohesive.
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Like, I remember the first time I listened to
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it, I was like, what the hell is this in the
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best way? I was like, that's crazy what I just
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listened to. And the story and the... The name
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of the song is crazy because WWE is not what
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you think it is. And it's also so empowering
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to Emily. We love her. We love Emily wherever
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you are, Emily. We love you. So talk us through
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how you made those choices. I think when we were
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writing the album. What was so fun about it was
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that there were literally zero rules. Like we
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weren't thinking about genre, we weren't thinking
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about where it was gonna fit, like play listing
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anything. We were literally just hanging. And
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so if an idea came to you in the session, that
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was like not something you would do normally.
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It was okay to do. Yeah, it was okay to do it.
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So I think a lot of... the weird stuff came out
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of that, like being comfortable enough. Which
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is so fun, like listening through and hearing
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that. I could hear how much fun I also would
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have had doing what you were doing, because as
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a top runner, you know, you guys have experienced
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this, when you're writing for someone else, you
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put yourself in their whatever shoes and you
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try to write from their perspective. And I love
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doing that, but how fun to be able to just like,
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I can write from my perspective. I can write
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from anyone's perspective. I can write from a
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made -up character's perspective. There's no
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one dictating how this perspective goes. That
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was such a fun song to write. Savannah had started
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with the little piano part that we had. A friend
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of ours in Common was going through a divorce
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at the time. had the idea to like just write
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a song to sort of like empower her and lift her
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up. And then I had a title, I was like, I have
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a title WWE. I was like, I don't know, maybe
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you could make it sound like it was literally
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just like pulling crap and like trying to figure
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out how it could work. And then the time signature.
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Since we've started working, we've always sort
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of like tried to do like a weird time, like change
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up in at least like one sort of song. Savannah's
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actually got the ability to make it happen and
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make it make sense. I like sometimes don't even,
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I'm like, it's like going into a mechanic and
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go, the car is making this noise. She's like,
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yeah, okay. She never tells me that I'm stupid
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for like not knowing how to describe it to, but
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it. So it was just like a fun thing to like play
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around and see if we could pull off. Sometimes
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it does not work. I feel like maybe we've all
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tried the tempo change in it. That's what was
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so cool about it. I was like, that's like a really
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tricky thing and it sounds so effortless in that
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song. Just in general, that song is so fun. You
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can tell listening to the record top to bottom,
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you can tell how much fun you guys had making
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it. It feels like magic listening to it. That's
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so sweet. All the songs are so good. The production
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is so good and it's so... That's what I love
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about it. I remember my husband, right when it
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came out, he's a publisher and he had come home
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and he was like, have you heard Summer's record?
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And I was like, I haven't listened to it yet,
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but it's like saved on my Spotify to listen to.
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And he was like, you're gonna love it. This is
24:14
only a record that women could have made together.
24:17
And he said, he's like, I mean that in the best
24:19
way. It is so great and it's so like girlhood.
24:24
It's so true. It's true. It's so great though.
24:28
Thank you. And I was gonna ask too, you had just,
24:31
earlier you said the record feels like a compilation
24:34
of multiple women's stories. And then you guys
24:37
just said for, when you were writing that song
24:40
that you had had a friend that had recently gone
24:42
through a divorce. I was curious when I was listening
24:45
through, you guys do have a lot of, it does sound
24:48
like different women's stories. I was curious
24:51
if you guys had, like actual real life like people
24:57
in mind when you're writing each of those songs
25:00
or if any of them were like personal if you were
25:04
the character that you gave a different name
25:06
or if it was purely creativity where you created
25:09
a character out of. It was obviously like a couple
25:13
people that we knew that were going through things
25:15
and personal observations or the way things that
25:19
affected us at any given point of time. And then
25:22
just sort of the empathy game of like imagining
25:25
yourself or somebody you know in a situation
25:28
and kind of trying to write a story from that
25:30
perspective. Which is the most fun. So on Good
25:35
Little Industry Girl, is that like, do you feel
25:38
like that was one of the more personal ones?
25:39
Like what made you... The most personal one.
25:42
You don't have to unpack it if you don't want
25:44
to, but I am curious like what made you want
25:47
to like come out of your like... hiatus, and
25:52
then start a record with you singing with her.
25:57
Like, you being featured on it. Like, that's
25:59
a really bold move to be like, I'm kind of done
26:02
with this because I've been burned by it. And
26:03
then to, like, come out the gate, like, that
26:05
is really, like, you came out swinging. Whoa.
26:08
I didn't think about it like that. I just do
26:10
things. I love that. Yeah, that one is, I would
26:15
say, the most personal for me on the album. Some
26:21
songs just, like, need to be written to, like,
26:26
heal a part of you, I think, sometimes. And that's
26:30
what that one felt like when we were writing
26:31
it. Like, Summer met me in that place. She was
26:34
there through my entire, like, music journey.
26:37
So she knew everything that has happened. And,
26:42
yeah, I feel like that song needed... to be written
26:47
for me to be able to record the song, if that
26:50
makes sense. And then get back into music. And
26:53
y 'all's verses are so different. Obviously,
26:57
yours is your experience. Do you feel like yours...
26:59
I know you've been doing this in different iterations
27:02
for a long time. Is that a little bit autobiographical
27:05
for you as well? Oh, yeah. I mean, I kind of
27:10
got that idea because just going... being in
27:13
the business and either trying artist stuff or
27:15
different things. Well -intended or not well
27:20
-intended, I feel like the industry professionals
27:24
will have things that are supposed to be like,
27:27
here, you do this to get this thing. You wear
27:29
this to do this. Of course, you're young and
27:33
you want to be successful, so you do it. Then
27:37
at some point, I felt like I did all this and
27:41
I still experiencing this response. Like, so
27:47
kind of, I don't know if I could say, like, fuck
27:50
it, I'm not doing any of that shit anymore. And
27:52
like that doesn't work. And so I kind of was
27:55
like, and all of us at some point are trying
27:58
to do the right thing, the good little industry
28:01
girl setup. And so that was like a thing that
28:05
I kept saying over and over in my brain about
28:07
whenever somebody kind of was. having a similar
28:11
thing, it's like that, just show up, do your
28:13
thing, work 10 times as hard as anybody else.
28:17
And like, as Amy Poehler said, we're done working
28:20
10 times harder. I'm giving 25%. But it was that
28:25
kind of thing of like, it just, in any, any like
28:30
male dominated business that we give and we give
28:34
and we give and we give, because that's just
28:35
what we're taught to do. You always like show
28:37
up and put in all the work. So it was kind of
28:40
just the things that seemed like they were guarantees
28:44
that weren't, like all of that kind of frustration
28:47
and angst about it was channeled through that.
28:51
I think the way that you guys, because I know
28:53
that is like a delicate conversation to have.
28:56
And I love the way that you write specifically
29:00
about that because it's such a lived experience.
29:04
And it's not in a way that's like, I don't think
29:07
it's off -putting. And maybe I'm a woman, I'm
29:10
also like for the girls, so I'm maybe a bad person
29:13
as, but I did feel like that. It made me think
29:15
of, Summer, we were writing like, this was several
29:18
months ago, and it was you, me and a female producer
29:22
and one male writer. And the male writer had
29:24
a realization in the room. He goes, oh my gosh,
29:27
I think this is the only time I've been outnumbered
29:30
by women in a write. And he said, sitting in
29:34
this room with all of you is making me realize
29:36
there's no such thing as male vibe guys. Every
29:40
female writer is a very good songwriter because
29:43
they have to be. And hearing it come from a man's
29:48
mouth was crazy. Because I was like, wait, what?
29:52
We didn't have to say it. Which I think was probably
29:55
the reaction that all three of the women in the
29:56
room were like, well, yeah. Yeah. And also, to
30:00
that point, I was like, I didn't notice. what
30:04
anybody's gender was, I was like, we're just
30:05
all like writers. And also, by the way, we're
30:10
always in a room with like three other dudes.
30:12
And nobody's, hey, there's like way too many
30:15
dudes right now going. Like I was gonna say,
30:17
it's funny. It's funny that he had the realization
30:21
of being the only male in the room, because I'm
30:24
like, this is literally our experience, but opposite.
30:27
But almost like, I don't even think about it.
30:30
It's just normal. There's probably plenty of
30:33
male writers that have been writing for a long
30:35
time that that's never happened. This writer
30:38
has been in town for a long time, has hit since
30:40
I've been here. He was like, this has never happened
30:42
to me. It wasn't even for an artist. It was just
30:45
a day. It's been multiple times over the last
30:50
month where if I was one of two female top owners
30:55
in the room with two men or whatever, and not
30:59
counting myself, the other one is like, top of
31:02
her class, they would go, man, it's never really
31:06
two girls at a time before. I mean, it's cool
31:12
that it's changing, though, but it is wild to
31:16
hear. People have the realization. I think that's
31:20
part of what struck me about Good Little Industry
31:21
Girls so much is that there's this unspoken thing
31:25
that lives in the music industry. I love that
31:29
you guys are like, we're just gonna say it. And
31:32
to start the record that way too, I was like,
31:36
yes, do that. And on the flip side of that coin,
31:41
we've talked about this before, there are just
31:43
less. it is a male -dominated industry. And so
31:47
for some of those guys, the reason that they
31:49
haven't been in a room with more than one girl
31:51
is because... I do think there's not, there are
31:53
like nefarious things that happen. But most of
31:56
it, it's just, it is. It just is what it is.
32:00
But I love that like the way that you guys have
32:02
that conversation kind of addresses both sides
32:04
of it. It's like, I feel like Savannah's side
32:07
was the like... harder, like a little bit like
32:10
malicious side of it where it's like you got
32:12
the bad end of that. And yours was more like
32:14
how just culturally it like pits women against
32:17
each other. So we don't even choose to work together
32:20
because of that. That was a really interesting
32:23
commentary from both sides of what's happening.
32:27
Yeah. It's so trippy to hear you talk about the
32:31
song because when we were writing, it was literally
32:35
just like... spewing out experience. And I think
32:40
I forget like people listen to the songs. Everyone
32:44
should listen to it, it's very good. And then
32:46
they think about them. It's so cool. Cause I'm
32:49
like, that's just, it was just our story. But
32:52
it resonates so deeply. And that's, I think that's
32:56
why it's like you guys came in and you're like,
32:58
here's the truth. And like, I heard it and was
33:01
like. Hell, yeah, that's the truth. No one's
33:03
talking about it. I love that you guys had the
33:07
courage to do that together and that you took
33:11
the risk in asking her to do this with you. And
33:14
then you took the risk to be like, I'm going
33:15
to come out of something that really hurt me.
33:18
And that's how you decided to come out of it.
33:22
That's courageous to do that. I mean, again,
33:28
I couldn't have done it without Summer. thing
33:30
that like accidentally happened too I think when
33:33
it was all happening like the album came together
33:36
really fast because I think when we put our brain
33:39
power together we just decided we were going
33:41
to do it and so we did it but yeah I don't know
33:45
I'm just so grateful for you it's I'm same it
33:49
just kind of I mean we we were blessed with these
33:54
songs they did not feel like work they just kind
33:57
of like happened to us and if we like vomited
33:59
them out at night. Like we did a lot of writing
34:03
in the evening, which is my favorite part. It's
34:06
kind of crazy. We did like a lot of like that
34:07
stuff. And then, you know, some parts would be
34:10
right. So in the morning we would just go, yeah,
34:13
let's go look, let's look at that. And it just,
34:16
it felt so seamless. It kind of like a... even
34:21
though at the time we hadn't put it out, it felt
34:24
illegal to write about that. There was that part
34:27
because nobody was saying it. I always want to
34:31
ingest songs that tackled more difficult issues.
34:36
I never want to come off as bitter or something,
34:39
but I do want to give a voice to it. Because
34:43
I think one thing about that song in particular
34:45
is when I would drive in to Music Row to write
34:48
every day and if I would turn on, I'd be like,
34:51
If I had this to listen to, if somebody had a
34:55
song like this, when I was really struggling
34:58
with a lot of the things I couldn't speak up
35:02
about or things like that, I was like, how healing
35:06
it would have been and how I would have felt
35:08
seen because for a long time, you're like, well,
35:11
it's just me. I might be crazy. I might be making
35:13
too much dramatic. So that kept coming back to
35:17
me about, I just... felt like I wanted some one
35:22
other person one other girl to hear that and
35:24
go oh okay yeah it's it's real it sucks but it's
35:29
it's okay well you know we don't have to well
35:31
I think that it that translates in the way that
35:33
you wrote that because that is like a hard topic
35:37
obviously like there's so much truth in that,
35:40
but it is like trying not to come across bitter
35:43
when you're talking about it, because there is
35:44
so much good, too. But you guys did that beautifully,
35:48
I think. Like that resonated with me, and I'm
35:50
not even in that like super frustrated space
35:53
in my career now, but I've felt the way that
35:55
you probably feel hearing it where you are in
35:58
your career being like, I wish this existed,
36:01
or people were talking about this, you know,
36:03
when I was coming up, you know? Yeah. I think
36:07
that's like, that song is a gift to women in
36:10
the music industry. So I'm really thankful that
36:14
you both were brave enough to be honest. Yeah.
36:18
Thank you. Yeah. No, thank you. Truly, thank
36:22
you. No, thank you, you. Do y 'all feel like
36:25
you gave each other permission to do anything
36:29
on this record that you might have talked yourself
36:32
out of alone? Oh, absolutely. But... Again, the
36:37
trust, it wasn't even a question. When we started
36:40
writing, we didn't even need to have a conversation
36:42
about what was off the table, topics -wise, anything.
36:48
It was just like, we're going to make an album.
36:51
It's going to be for us. We don't know how it's
36:54
going to turn out. We have no idea what the end
36:56
result is, but we trust each other and that was
36:59
it. Yeah, no expectations. I was like, I don't
37:03
even want to advertise or anything. I kind of
37:05
just wanted to put it out and have people find
37:08
out how they found it, which was honestly such
37:12
a freeing thought. And I think that mindset even
37:15
as a writer, just in general, is the difference
37:21
between a happy... person writer and a miserable
37:24
person writer. Just being like, I'm gonna show
37:28
up and write a song because I love writing songs
37:30
and I'm gonna do it for the love of it today
37:33
and whatever happens afterwards. Let the chips
37:36
fall where they may. Anything beyond writing
37:38
the song, bonus. The reward was the album. Like
37:42
the fact that we have that album and I could
37:45
listen to it when I'm like 80 and I'd be like,
37:47
whoa, we made that together in that time period.
37:50
is like the biggest gift to me. What is each
37:53
of y 'all's favorite song on the record if you
37:55
had to pick? Let him go, Leigh -Anne. That song
37:58
is so good. Summer wrote it by herself. It's
38:01
so good. Summer, you know I've loved that song
38:03
for years. I have texted you about that song,
38:06
being like, hey, did anyone cut that song yet?
38:07
Hey, why hasn't someone cut that song yet? Hey,
38:09
what's happening with that song? Should I become
38:11
an artist so that I can cut that song? What's
38:14
happening with it? It's so good. And I listened
38:17
to it again yesterday, just in preparation of
38:21
this, because I was going through the whole record.
38:23
And it's still just, I'm like, I just, I know
38:26
Leanne. Like something about how you wrote her
38:29
story and character was just so relatable and
38:33
good. Like, and the melody too. It's like, it's
38:38
the pairing. It's just perfect pairing of how
38:42
you wrote the character and how the melody like
38:46
also communicated. It was just, it's just so
38:48
good. Thank you. I'm so proud of that song. That
38:55
definitely hit me in the back of the head in
38:58
terms of, I didn't have to contrive anything,
39:03
it just literally fell out. So it's definitely
39:05
from God or whatever is floating around there.
39:09
So I hope I'll get another song like that again,
39:14
but it was such a cool experience. You have a
39:17
few that you wrote by yourself that are. very
39:20
good on this record, so I think you're tapped
39:22
in. You'll get a few more. You're tapped into
39:25
whatever is dropping ideas. They're not dropping
39:28
it on me. I do believe it is God. I do believe
39:32
that is where this comes from. It definitely
39:34
is God. God gets the credit for that, for sure.
39:38
I think my favorite song, though, is probably
39:42
Cocaine and Hookers. I was going to ask about
39:44
this song. Okay, so... Or leave Britney alone,
39:47
that's also right. That one's a great one too.
39:49
Cocaine and Hookers is, the story is crazy. Also,
39:53
I feel like everyone kind of knows that guy.
39:57
Yeah. But the last little bit, the last verse
40:02
chorus situation is so swaggy and aggressive
40:07
at the same time and I love it. Wait, can I ask
40:10
a question? Yeah. Um, when you say everyone knows
40:14
that guy, I mean, like, that's about a real person
40:16
that we actually know. Everybody knows a type
40:19
of guy. Oh, okay, because I historically don't
40:22
know, like, any of the town's guys. Like, I live
40:25
under a rock, and I'll hear something that Parker
40:28
will be like, oh, you didn't know that? That
40:29
happened like five years ago. And I'm like, no,
40:32
nope. So they had no idea. So when you said that,
40:35
I was like, wait, is this somebody that we know
40:36
and I didn't know? There's like a trope. Yeah,
40:39
it's like, no. Yes, I get what you mean. And
40:43
there's a trope in the wife, too. Like, I think
40:45
that dynamic is tale as old as time. And it's
40:49
so cleverly and, like, humorously written. And
40:53
the last chorus is just, like... Oh, yeah. The
40:58
woman comes out on top always. Yeah. Always.
41:00
Yeah. Well, and just the, like, the woman will
41:03
put in the work because she has to. That whole
41:05
bit is so good and smart and, like, it's great.
41:10
I love that song. Oh, my God. That song was so
41:12
fucking fun to write. You can tell when, like,
41:15
in the way that you recorded it, you, like, capture...
41:18
I feel like what's cool about this whole record
41:20
is it kind of, like... has the thing that, like,
41:23
a great demo does, but it sounds better than
41:25
a demo. You know when you hear in your room...
41:26
It's a compliment ever. I know exactly what you're
41:28
talking about. Where you can, like, hear the
41:29
magic that was happening in the room, like, what
41:31
line someone thought was funny or what someone
41:33
was like, oh, that's so good. It's like, you
41:36
did such a great job of capturing the magic that
41:39
was happening while you were writing it in the
41:42
recording. So listening to it is, like, a really
41:45
fun experience, because it feels like being in
41:47
the room with you guys. I love that. I love that.
41:51
That is sick. But I feel like that's one of those
41:54
songs. I feel like Leave Britney Alone is also
41:57
a little bit like in WWE. It's like all the like
41:59
gang vocals and stuff are so hype and funny.
42:03
Yeah, you could tell you guys were having fun.
42:05
Like I have fun when I listen to it. I'm like,
42:07
this is a really good record. We were definitely
42:08
entertaining ourselves. I mean, I smile every
42:12
time I think about just like making it so fun
42:15
to make all the gangs and then like all the little
42:19
talking part. Oh, and then the Luke Hayes and
42:23
a Stetson where Jean is the newscaster. Oh my
42:26
gosh. Oh, that's really funny. And I have to
42:28
go do sports or whatever that one is. I was listening
42:31
to it the other day. I missed it the first couple
42:33
of times I listened to the record. And when I
42:35
heard it the other day, I was like, that's so
42:37
funny. It might have gone a hair too far, but
42:41
I was like, it kind of makes it. No, it's so
42:42
good. It was so... I laughed a lot. How do you...
42:47
And maybe you don't even think about how it's
42:49
gonna translate if something makes you guys laugh
42:51
in the room Like what makes you be like we're
42:53
definitely putting that in or do you care if
42:55
people? Selfish lover if I like if I'm getting
42:59
off my I don't care Look yeah, it definitely
43:06
like I always Think like the most in my brain.
43:10
I think it's like a comedy So I'm like what would
43:12
be like the funniest thing for me to hear next
43:14
in this situation to me And yeah, it was great.
43:18
It was very fun. On the cocaine and hookers thing,
43:23
I'm curious, talking about that last little verse
43:27
chorus thing, have you felt like you've had to
43:32
prove that you belong? And what are ways you
43:35
feel like you've had to be better than your male
43:39
counterparts sometimes? Not because of anything
43:43
other than just it's harder for women. I feel
43:46
like for my particular situation might have been
43:50
more difficult. Well, A, I'm very shy and I don't
43:56
say I'm not like gonna go, yeah, I'm awesome.
44:00
You should work with me ever. So I think that
44:02
part and then being from like a big family that
44:05
already had people in the industry, at a certain
44:08
point, I felt like I was getting a lot of like
44:11
maybe this is more on the professional level,
44:13
like eye rolls of like, oh, another one. And
44:16
in the co -writing situation where you're in
44:19
with like people that already have a reputation,
44:22
I felt like a lot of, this is just, this could
44:24
be all in my head, but I felt like maybe a lot
44:27
of the reasons why the songs were good were getting
44:29
like attributed to other people. So I was kind
44:31
of still trying to like prove and that would
44:33
result in a lot of like trying to do solo songs
44:36
to like be able to like say that without having
44:39
to go, no, no, like I feel like I'm, pretty good
44:42
or I feel like it, you know, I can make sense.
44:46
So that last like on -flying, A, it was just
44:49
kind of funny. Because I mean, they're our favorite.
44:52
I love men. Like I do love men. I have a male
44:56
husband and male children, so I do love them.
45:00
But like the, if I have to generalize them all
45:02
in a group, they annoy the piss out of me. All
45:09
my friends love me again, but it's this surrogate
45:13
of angst in that little moment that just ragging
45:18
on them as a group was really a favorite pastime
45:22
in that particular moment. In the context of
45:25
that song, it makes a lot of sense. That's a
45:29
great place to channel that angst. Also, you
45:32
just see it in culture sometimes. like just gorgeous,
45:37
talented women, and they're with a thumb that
45:40
kind of grunts. And they're like, oh my gosh,
45:44
he grunted and it rhymed. Let's like, you know,
45:47
I don't know if we'll keep that. You're not wrong.
45:50
We don't have to keep that, but that's just.
45:53
I think we should, honestly. I've just always
45:56
been like, man, the wife is like so cool. She's
45:59
got like, she's usually like a neuroscientist
46:01
and like something crazy. And they're like. They
46:05
got like, spitting in a cup. This is so right.
46:12
So I would just observe those moments. So that.
46:15
I love that. There's so many fun themes on this
46:20
record. It was hard when I was going through.
46:22
It's like picking which ones to talk about. I
46:26
love, I've told you how much I love this song,
46:29
but How Dare Everything is, what a song. I love
46:32
that one. Do you want to talk about that? Sure.
46:36
That was my first write with Karen Fairchild
46:40
and Shelby Lynn. And I had worked a lot with
46:44
Ashley Monroe before. So we were just going to
46:47
have a write, I guess we were going to write
46:48
for Little Big Town or something. So we started
46:52
on one idea that would probably work for him.
46:56
And then kind of in the middle of that song,
46:58
we started talking about the tragic covenant
47:03
they had a lot of like people that were they
47:06
were close to and then there was Ashley had somebody
47:10
she was close to that they had experienced that
47:12
and so I kind of thought of like I've been fortunate
47:20
enough to never lose somebody like super close
47:23
up until I mean I think the closest like then
47:27
probably yeah but like up till then we hadn't
47:30
I could imagine how it would feel. So I was like
47:34
thinking about like, man, you would just be pissed
47:37
off at everything that was happening normally
47:40
in the day. So we kind of all just started rolling
47:43
on that idea and that probably, probably wrote
47:46
it like an hour or something. And it sat for
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a long time, like a couple of years, because
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I don't know, it just, it was a heavy topic at
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the time. So I knew that I wanted on the album
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to do something like in regards to Ben because
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I around he passed probably around the time like
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I was we were like putting it together and So
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I was like so I didn't play any of those songs
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for him. I was like so nervous to yes always
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it was always so like very Politically correct
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about everything so I didn't want to put him
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in a comfortable situation But I knew I wanted
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to do something and I didn't think I could So
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it had to be, that was a song that was already
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existing. And it also happened to involve some
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of the best female writers and artists in town.
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So it was just kind of fortunate enough to already
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have that in the catalog. Yeah, it's so good.
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That song is so good. And every time I hear the
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voicemail in it, it's so heartbreaking, but also
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so beautiful. That's such a great song for that.
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It's a great song in general, but what a meaningful,
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beautiful thing that you were able to put that
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on your record. Yeah. I didn't know how the voicemail
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thing, if that was too far or what, but I did
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want, now that we have it, I'm just really glad.
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I did because he's just kind of out there in
49:28
the... And I know that he... He would have...
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I feel like he would have loved it. I feel like
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he would have loved this record. He was so proud
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of being a gang vocal on Honky Tonk Badonkadonk.
49:37
So I was like, he might need a little bit more
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of a feature in that. I just happened to like
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have that. So if I had had a better one, I would
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have used a better one. No, that one is such
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a... It's so him. I love it. That song is so
49:50
great. Okay. So what's... a tiny detail about
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this record that you wish somebody would ask
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you about? Like is there something where you're
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like, this is something that we like buried in
50:04
there, there's like an Easter egg, or there's
50:06
like this cool thing that we did. We didn't do
50:08
any Easter eggs, we just put it out there. The
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album is the Easter egg. We spray painted. I'm
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trying to think. Like is there any detail that
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you guys are like, I love this, like this is
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like a fun thing that we did that was for us.
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I know the whole project is that, but is there
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any like? I think it's more like what we took
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out. Oh yeah, the things that no one will ever
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hear. There was a bridge in Brittany, or Leave
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Brittany Alone, that part of me was like, just
50:43
leave it in and then I'm so glad I took it out.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, next question. We
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have a couple of little bits that we do, like
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little segments. So one of them is most likely
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to, and it's just kind of rapid fire. We'll be
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like, most likely to this. And you'll be like,
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she is, she is, whatever. And we'll just do a
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few of them. OK, most likely to tell you the
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hard truth. Me two non confrontational bitches,
51:16
but summer Most likely to plan the whole girls
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trip summer I've been doing better. It's getting
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it has been happening. I finally made it to like
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almost 40 You actually be able to plan something.
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So it's yeah Most likely to miss the flight Definitely
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not me. Yeah me Three hours early most likely
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to keep a secret Both of us. We're good at secret
51:48
keeping. Most likely to lose their phone while
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holding it. I think neither of us. Neither of
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us. Most likely to lie their way into a VIP section.
52:02
Neither of us. Neither of you would want to be
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there. I think it'd be true to be in a VIP section.
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Most likely to befriend someone arresting you.
52:11
Summer. Summer could talk her way out of anything.
52:15
Most likely to accidentally text the person they
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were talking about. Me. From experience. It hasn't
52:23
actually, luckily it's happened to siblings one
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time, but yeah. Most likely to take home a stray
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animal. Summer. Yeah. Most likely to believe
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a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Me. Oh, I love
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that you both would. You're shaking hands. Amazing.
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Okay, most likely to bring the title. Summer.
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Yeah, that's like me too. Yeah, yeah. Most likely
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to chase the weird path with a song. Both. Yeah.
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Okay, do you want to do title talk? Yes, okay.
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So this is one of my favorite segments called
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title talk. I'm going to give you guys. three
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AI -generated titles. And just to get a sneak
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peek into y 'all's writing dynamic, I want you
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guys to pick your favorite title and just walk
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us through how you guys would write that together.
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Like, angle, what's the hook, what's it about,
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kind of how do you, just like a mock -up couple
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lines. Here are your three options for titles.
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Who died and made you Tammy? We'll write that
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later Emergency contact high not in front of
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Beverly with an exclamation point Who died and
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made you Tammy emergency contact high not in
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front of Beverly exclamation point We want to
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hear how this song would come to fruition. First,
54:12
it would be summer pondering for 30 to 60 seconds.
54:18
For sure. It's hard when it's not something you
54:21
came up with. What would we do? Not in front
54:26
of Beverly for sure. There's already a couple
54:30
different angles you could do. I'm genuinely
54:35
so excited to hear these angles because I have
54:38
no idea I'm thinking about like a home care nurse
54:44
Wait, I'm obsessed I was like she like her booty
54:51
call like she can't she's on the clock. So she's
54:53
got to like bring him over or her over and You
54:59
just took this a totally different way that I
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thought you were going I thought you were gonna
55:03
say the home care nurses at the house and there's
55:07
like suspicious activity going on in the house
55:09
and it's like not in front of Beverly. Wait till
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she leaves and then we go back to like whatever
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shady thing. This is like afternoon delight not
55:15
in front of Beverly or like somebody like you
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know trying to cut in line to die so it's like
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not in front of Beverly. Not in front of Beverly.
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Both of these angles are so good. And that's
55:29
what writing a song with Summer is like. That's
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so funny. My cheeks hurt from smiling. That's
55:37
so good. Y 'all should write it. Yeah, you really
55:40
should. I like the Tammy one too. Who died and
55:44
made you Tammy? It's pretty good. Next album.
55:49
Next album. Okay, our last segment is something
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we like to call the song that got away. And it
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is a song that y 'all have written together that,
56:02
for whatever reason, has never made it onto one
56:03
of your records or out into the world quite yet.
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That you love. That you love. So you can talk
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about it, maybe play us a little bit of it. Play
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a little verse chorus if you're up for it. Sure.
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Do you want to tell us about it before you play
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it? I will. So we write all of our stuff with
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our friend Gina Veneer. And this was... a day
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where I think we kind of finished the album.
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We hadn't put it into DSPs or anything, but we
56:34
kind of knew the songs we were going with. So
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Gina had this title, Mom's Cigarettes, and it
56:42
was one of those figuring out how to write that
56:45
title. She was talking about how when she was
56:48
young and her mom would smoke, because she's
56:51
so young and obviously everybody's like, well,
56:52
cigarettes kill you. So she kind of was so concerned
56:55
about her mom and she wanted to write a song
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sort of about that emotion. So we figured out
57:05
how to do it. It's like kind of one of my faves.
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It's like a sneaky, sneaky fave. Maybe it'll
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be on the next one. With Tammy. With Tammy and
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Beverly. When the car smelled like smoke in school
57:39
Pick up line, I gave her the third degree Every
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time she stepped outside I'd throw out Every
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single secret dresser drawer pack I'd find Thinking
57:52
how could she be so damn selfish What the hell
57:59
would dad say if he knew? Where do I live when
58:05
she gets arrested? Judging her for being human
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and not knowing how to quit. Couldn't understand
58:16
the pressure that was keeping mom's cigarettes
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lit. All right. Well, that's it for today. Thank
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you, Summer and Savannah. We loved talking to
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you guys. We want to thank our sponsors, Kilometre
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and dBV, and for this episode of Women's Writes,
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that's it.