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OUTRAGE! Mandalay Bay owner sues VICTIMS of Vegas massacre · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty two, being profusing believe it was
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Speaker 1: a shooting um until they just kept going and going,
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Speaker 1: and then Chase had what's the stage? And then everybody
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Speaker 1: started playing and we started seeing we did get out,
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Speaker 1: sounded like a did the firework, something that you think
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Speaker 1: normally happens in Vegas. And then it just started going
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Speaker 1: papla bla bla bla blah blah blah blah. Through investigation,
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Speaker 1: in response, we determined there was a shooter on the
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Speaker 1: thirty second floor of the Mandalaid Bay. I had no
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Speaker 1: sense that we were in any danger at all. It
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Speaker 1: felt so safe. No one will ever forget the shocking
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Speaker 1: massacre at the Vegas Mandalais. Now, in another stunning development,
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Speaker 1: Mandalaid Bay Hotel owner MGM is suing the victims of
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Speaker 1: the Vegas massacre. Over one thousand victims of the massacre
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Speaker 1: at Mandalais Bay are being sued. I don't understand the
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Speaker 1: victims are being sued. Let me understand that with me
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Speaker 1: is Randy Sutton, retired Vegas police lieutenant, host of Blue
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Speaker 1: Lives Radio and founder of the Wounded Blue. Brian Claypool,
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Speaker 1: our friend, l a lawyer, a Vegas shooting survivor, co
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Speaker 1: founder of Route one Strong and representing Vegas shooting victims.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Fine, Vegas shooting victims and co founder of Route Strong.
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Speaker 1: Dr Carol Lieberman, author and therapist of Lions and Tigers
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Speaker 1: and Terrorists. Oh My, and Ellen to Lauren Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, excuse me, Allen? Do? What do
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Speaker 1: I have? This sentence reversed that the Mandalais owner is
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Speaker 1: suing the victims. Shouldn't it be the victims suing Mandalais?
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Speaker 1: Have I missed something? Ellen? You're right, it's unbelievable. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it should. It makes sense, but that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what's happening, um and what it What it seems
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Speaker 1: to be is that MGM Resorts International is doing this
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Speaker 1: as kind of a preemptive strike too. They're not countersuing
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Speaker 1: there the thousands of victims that are affected by this lawsuit,
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Speaker 1: most of them haven't even taken any legal actions. So
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Speaker 1: what MGM Resorts International is doing is sending a message
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Speaker 1: that we're not going to cooperate with anything any liabilities
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Speaker 1: that you think that you have, sending a message. They're
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Speaker 1: sending me a message. It'll be a cold day in
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Speaker 1: h E double l before I stay at the Mandalay
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Speaker 1: and I'm planning a trip to take John David Lucy
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Speaker 1: back out there to see who is it Alan, Who's
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Speaker 1: the magician that does all the stunts? Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: him him, him, you know John David. The magic tricks
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Speaker 1: go on and on. He attacks whoever comes to the
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Speaker 1: house with magic tricks. He loves David Copperfield. He saw
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Speaker 1: David Copperfield. Blah blah blah. Well, I'm not stated the MGM.
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Speaker 1: I'm just putting it out there. Randy Sutton, Brian Claypool,
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Speaker 1: Lisa Fine Ladies First, Lisa Fine Vega sheeting victim. When
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Speaker 1: did you find out the Amanda light, I guess it
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Speaker 1: is suing you. Yeah, I found out a couple of
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Speaker 1: days ago, and I was completely disgusted. I I started
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Speaker 1: receiving a lot of messages calls from our applicants for
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Speaker 1: our funds we offer financial assistance to gun violence survivors,
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Speaker 1: and they were just horrified and it re it was
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Speaker 1: like being re victimized again. And I just I take
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Speaker 1: the calls a lot for the applicants that come in
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Speaker 1: and so you know, I was in the kill zone
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Speaker 1: along with Brian Claypool, my co founder, and I know
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Speaker 1: firsthand what it what happened, and we we are here
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Speaker 1: for those gun vidence survivors and they are just up
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Speaker 1: in arms and they're refusing ever to participate in anything
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Speaker 1: that MGM has anything to do with. I can't believe it.
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Speaker 1: Brian A. Pool, you know, I'm a crime victim, and
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Speaker 1: even to this day, the murder of my fiance so
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Speaker 1: many years ago, it kind of runs my life in
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Speaker 1: a way. It affects decisions I make regarding the children,
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Speaker 1: my husband, everything I do, where I live, how I live, everything,
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Speaker 1: because it could happen again. That's the way, I'm in
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Speaker 1: bunker mentality all the time you and Lisa were there. Brian,
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Speaker 1: You've told me your story and how this is mr
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Speaker 1: a head up so badly? How did you find out
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Speaker 1: the mandalay Is suing you? Was very odd. I was
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Speaker 1: actually conducting a press conference the other day for the
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Speaker 1: SAMI and a tinder old boy was murder by his
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Speaker 1: mom and a boyfriend because you sailed him. And later
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Speaker 1: after the press conference, one of the local TV stations
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Speaker 1: came up to me said, Hey, while you're here, can
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Speaker 1: you come on the last Vegas lawsuits? And I was
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Speaker 1: just complete shock. I was like, I was like, what
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Speaker 1: are you talking about? And they're like, they're suing you
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Speaker 1: and how that it goes? And I just about passed
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Speaker 1: out and I was scrambling trying to figure out what's
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Speaker 1: the ba Hey, why are they doing this and what
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Speaker 1: is the basis for. I can't believe it. I've I've
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Speaker 1: suffered through lawsuits before, and it's an agonizing ordeal, especially
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Speaker 1: when you think that you have done nothing wrong at all,
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Speaker 1: much less. For instance, you and Lisa living through a
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Speaker 1: mass sheeting, escaping with your lives, and now Mandalais Bay
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Speaker 1: sues you. With me. Randy Sutton, retired Vegas police lieutenant,
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Speaker 1: host of Blue Lives, radio founder of the Wounded Blue Randy,
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Speaker 1: I'm done, Randy Sutton. Well, you're not the only one
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Speaker 1: that's done. I can tell you that the entire Las
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Speaker 1: Vegas community when they read that headline um or justice,
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Speaker 1: stunned and just as disgusted. And I can tell you
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Speaker 1: that the sentiment um locally here is um is really
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Speaker 1: anti MGM. Now keep in mind that the MGM is
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Speaker 1: one of the largest casino property owners in the in
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Speaker 1: the state. They wield an enormous amount of power. But
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Speaker 1: what we're seeing here is the callousness of American business
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Speaker 1: and UM, this is this is unconscionable, literally re victimizing. Uh,
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Speaker 1: these people that lived through living hell. It's it's just
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Speaker 1: coming to you, Brian, go ahead, not know have sued deceit.
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Speaker 1: One of my the mother I represent a mother in
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Speaker 1: Alaska's called me in tears. Her sons been sued. He's dead.
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Speaker 1: They're also now going after attorney fees for the wife
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Speaker 1: of one of the Las Vegas police officers who was
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Speaker 1: murdered in their stuning. There's a hearing on August fifteen,
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Speaker 1: they're seeking eighty thousand dollars of attorney s fees now
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Speaker 1: against the wife of the police officer. And it was
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Speaker 1: killed in Las Vegas. The lawyers for for Yeah, So
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Speaker 1: I mean this is just this is uh, everybody said it.
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Speaker 1: It's pre victimized, it's pre traumatizing everybody. It's unnecessary. And
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Speaker 1: and and one quick point I want to make on
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Speaker 1: a legal issue is that there I thought about this.
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Speaker 1: Their argument about using this Safety Act is not going
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Speaker 1: to win. For one big reason I finally figured this
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Speaker 1: out and previewed on your show, is because the security
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Speaker 1: the Mandelaide a Higher MBM hired it was at the venue.
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Speaker 1: They hired this company's CSC at the venue. For the
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Speaker 1: cause of the shooting has nothing to do with security
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Speaker 1: at the venue. There wasn't sure that jumped over the
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Speaker 1: fence and got into the venue. It has to be
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Speaker 1: with internal security that's unrelated to an outside vendor at
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Speaker 1: the Manilaid Bay. What failed is the internal security at
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Speaker 1: Mantelaid Bay. And then and they didn't hire CSC to
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Speaker 1: do that, and and internal security is not certified by
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Speaker 1: Homeland Security at the at the Mandelaide Bay. We're going
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Speaker 1: to get shot down I'm just stunned, dude, to Carol Laborman,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, how does this compound the agony of the
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Speaker 1: shooting victims? It is unconscionable. It not only triggers PTSD
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Speaker 1: that they already had from being victims at the shooting,
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Speaker 1: but anyone who is being sued has their own set
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Speaker 1: of psychological uh stress, just from the process of being sued,
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Speaker 1: and so they're they're compounding it in lots of ways.
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Speaker 1: And also this is a message that they're trying to
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Speaker 1: send to any other victims out there who are thinking,
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Speaker 1: who haven't gotten around to getting a lawyer yet, but
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Speaker 1: who are thinking of suing them. You better not do
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Speaker 1: it or you're going to be sued. It is despicable,
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Speaker 1: you know when you think, um, Stephen Paddock was one twisted,
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Speaker 1: evil guy, But here, um, it's hordes of lawyers and
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Speaker 1: the and the you know, the upper brass of of
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Speaker 1: the hotel and MGM and I mean, you know, in
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Speaker 1: other words, it's not just one person um running amuck.
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Speaker 1: It's the people who have fought this out and who
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Speaker 1: have gone through a detailed legal process and all that
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Speaker 1: to to hurt people and to hurt the victims, and
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Speaker 1: I think that we should call for a boycott of
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Speaker 1: not only Mandalay Bay, but of anything MGM to Brian Claypool,
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Speaker 1: our friend and colleague, high profile l A lawyer, Brian,
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Speaker 1: how has this lawsuit? I thank you do after what
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Speaker 1: you lived through at the shooting. Yeah, I've had to
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Speaker 1: relive the entire shooting was done. Um. I was in
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Speaker 1: therapy on Wednesday. I'm still in therapy once a week.
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Speaker 1: My my Carol's right on top. Yeah. We look up
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Speaker 1: until getting this announcement the other day and Lisa echo
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Speaker 1: this I have. I have still continued to struggle. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, trying to get through each day.
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Speaker 1: Mundane tasks are hard for me, like getting a handle
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Speaker 1: on my like writing bills for example, sometimes getting out
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Speaker 1: of the house. My energy level is seared. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: and I still had the problem I was dealing with
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Speaker 1: even before this announcement. Um, I still have these catastrophic
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Speaker 1: thoughts all the time. I feel like I'm living that movie,
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Speaker 1: you know, that movie Final That's the Nation. Every time
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Speaker 1: I get a stomach ache, I feel like I'm going
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Speaker 1: to end up with cancer. I get a headache, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting an m R. I and because I feel like
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Speaker 1: I might have a brain tumor, so my life is
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Speaker 1: already in chaos. I become I'm still destined to die
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Speaker 1: sometime under near future. And then I've got to get
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Speaker 1: this news. But now not only me, it's a double
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Speaker 1: hit for me because I'm a victim dealing with a lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: And then, like Lisa said, I have countless clients mancy
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Speaker 1: calling me, emailing me from across the country. Like Carol said, traumatized.
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Speaker 1: They don't know what to do. They're being sued now,
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Speaker 1: there's no clue what to do. What do I do next?
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Speaker 1: Am I going to go to jail? Am I gonna
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Speaker 1: pay money? It's just horrifying. It's a bullying tactic and
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Speaker 1: intimidation that we didn't need. We didn't sign up for this.
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Speaker 1: But Brian Claypool, you're the lawyer, how does this tactically
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Speaker 1: help MGM? I mean, how does it stem fu future lawsuits?
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Speaker 1: I don't get it because right now they're already overs
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Speaker 1: suits against the MGM. How does this help them? Well,
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Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is it's a hail Mary.
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Speaker 1: They did they know that they're facing the potential mountain
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Speaker 1: of liability it could be a colossal, you know, financial
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Speaker 1: hit for them. So what they do is they come
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Speaker 1: out it's kind of like a what's it called, like
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Speaker 1: a when you get you know, blindsided in a fight,
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Speaker 1: you get cold cocked, like from behind. So that's what
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Speaker 1: they wanted, true. They do. They want to try to
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Speaker 1: take down the victims before the victims can take them down.
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Speaker 1: And they're basing it on this this nebulous law in
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Speaker 1: two thousand too that they they want to get the
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Speaker 1: take the first punch. But what they've got to now factors,
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Speaker 1: what's what what's the collateral damage that that we're that
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Speaker 1: Randy's already talking about. It's going to be immense and
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Speaker 1: it's even gonna be worse if they lose on this argument.
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Speaker 1: They now have revictimized everybody and they're gonna lose. So well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: MGM is signing a federal act as Brian and just
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Speaker 1: pointing out from two thousand two that says companies are
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Speaker 1: protected from liability, you know, from fault if they use
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Speaker 1: quote anti terrorism services to help prevent respond to mass violence.
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Speaker 1: They also climbed the security they hire, which was Contemporary
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Speaker 1: Services Corps, was protected from liability and certified by Homeland
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Speaker 1: Security to handle acts of mass injury and destruction. They
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Speaker 1: say MGM that that should protect MGM from liability as well.
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Speaker 1: Now that act that Brian claypol is talking about, it
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Speaker 1: defines terrorism as an act that causes mass destruction, injury,
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Speaker 1: or other loss. Huh. This shooting has not been ruled
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Speaker 1: as a terror attack, and authorities are saying the shooter, Paddock,
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Speaker 1: appeared to have no terrorist connections or political motive at all.
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Speaker 1: He was just a freak. The FBI and Vegas police
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Speaker 1: have not determined his motive. They're still investigating. And that's
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Speaker 1: why that's so important that we get his motive because
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Speaker 1: of his terrorists related then this statute will kick in
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Speaker 1: and relieve MGM of liability under that two thousand two Act.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk in real terms. Lisa, fine, how is
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Speaker 1: this MGM lawsuit affected? You already lived through the potential
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Speaker 1: loss of your life. Yea, it is now this, you know,
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Speaker 1: the witnessing a mass and murder alters the chemistry of
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Speaker 1: your brain. You don't sleep, you have nightmares, anxiety times
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Speaker 1: a hundred, and it's like will never be the same.
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Speaker 1: The fact that they allowed a monster into Mandalaide Bay
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Speaker 1: with twenty six bags of weapons. Then he shoots down
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Speaker 1: monster from heck he is he is out of control.
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Speaker 1: Then they sue the people that they that they allowed
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Speaker 1: this monster and to kill it makes no sense. I
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Speaker 1: Mandalaid shooting rocked the nation. How could this happen? Thousands
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Speaker 1: gathered to hear Jason Aldean concert outside the mandalaisd Bay.
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Speaker 1: It's a luxury resort in Vegas. It's a real destination,
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Speaker 1: a beautiful facility. When suddenly a hell of bullets. Nobody
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Speaker 1: even knows which way to run? Thousands of bullets. Why
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Speaker 1: doesn't anybody identify the source? Because it's high above where
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Speaker 1: the shooter is perched in the Mandalay picking off his victims.
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Speaker 1: Below at the Aldine concert with me, Lisa Fine, who
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Speaker 1: survived the shooting, Brian Claypool, who survived the shooting together
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Speaker 1: founding Root ninety one Strong, and Randy Sutton, retired Vegas
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Speaker 1: police lieutenant, host of Blue Lives Radio and the founder
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Speaker 1: of the Wounded Blue Foundation. Lisa, you were describing how
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Speaker 1: this lawsuit filed by MGM as Mandalais Bay owners against
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Speaker 1: the victims as messed your life up all over again.
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Speaker 1: What do you recall of the night of shooting, Lisa,
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Speaker 1: The night of the shooting, before the shooting took place,
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Speaker 1: it was the most incredible atmosphere. Energy was off the charts,
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Speaker 1: and people were beautiful. I've never felt more connected at
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Speaker 1: a concert in my entire life. In one moment, I
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Speaker 1: heard of pop pop pop, and in my head, I thought,
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Speaker 1: that's a gunfire. And I begged my friends to get down,
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Speaker 1: get down, and they kept saying to me, it's not
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Speaker 1: real bullets, and it's not real bullets, because your brain
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to believe that you're about to get killed,
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Speaker 1: and we just I said, stay down, stay down. What
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Speaker 1: I witnessed in front of me is the most disgusting
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Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen in my life. Witnessing mass murder
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Speaker 1: right before my eyes, listening, watching, and then later crawling
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Speaker 1: through the blood of these beautiful people that I had
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Speaker 1: just been celebrating life with is the most disgusting act
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Speaker 1: of violence and evil that I've ever seen. And we
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Speaker 1: had to do something. That's why Brian claypol and I
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Speaker 1: came together and found a root ninety one strong. Because
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Speaker 1: to us it we will have to do this the
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Speaker 1: rest of our life. Because we lived and they didn't.
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Speaker 1: We have to live with that for the rest of
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Speaker 1: our lives. Brian Claypole, I just can't imagine what everyone
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Speaker 1: is going through. I mean, I had it bad enough
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Speaker 1: with one murder to deal with, and being on the
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Speaker 1: scene of a mass murder. Yeah, you can relate to
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Speaker 1: this with your what what happened to you with your
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Speaker 1: your husband, And then another thing you can relate to
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Speaker 1: because you have kids. You know, I have an eleven
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Speaker 1: or a little girl. Right, I'm a single parent and
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Speaker 1: I love beings dad, and I want to have another child. Right.
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Speaker 1: Imagine if you were at that concert, right, I was there.
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Speaker 1: My birthday was the following Tuesday, so I decided last
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Speaker 1: minute to go out to to Vegas. I like country
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Speaker 1: country music, and I was staying by the way on
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Speaker 1: the four of the Mandalay Bay. So when I eventually
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Speaker 1: got back to my room, I could look up and
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Speaker 1: see paddocks blown out windows right above me. That's how
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Speaker 1: for real it was. But imagine this being a parent,
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Speaker 1: and then all you're going from relaxing to all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, hearing sounds that you think initially your fireworks.
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Speaker 1: And then what I do is I and I started
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Speaker 1: looking at Jason Alban's face. I was a little bit
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Speaker 1: to the left of the stage, and I was looking
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Speaker 1: at his face because I was a little bit worried
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Speaker 1: because I looked up in the sky and I didn't
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Speaker 1: see any any residue from fireworks. And he kind of
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Speaker 1: stuttered when he was singing. When when that first this
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Speaker 1: first sounds pop, but then then there was a second
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Speaker 1: round of pops. And when I saw him put his
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Speaker 1: guitar underneath his his um, the cup of his shoulder
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Speaker 1: and ran off the stage. Man, I went, I it
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Speaker 1: was just complete panic because I knew at that time
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Speaker 1: something horrible was going on. But I will tell you this.
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Speaker 1: As I was, you know, the first round of bullets,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to duck and trying to
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Speaker 1: lay down. Um, I fully expected to die, There's no
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Speaker 1: question about because of the pop up, up up up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he just felt like the bullets right on
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Speaker 1: top of you. You could hear the bullets. You can
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Speaker 1: hear him pining you, I I expect you to die.
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Speaker 1: That when there's a little gap in the shoot. I
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Speaker 1: went from I'm going to die too, Yeah, I am,
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Speaker 1: really I've got to live to see my daughter. But
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Speaker 1: then I said, I live. I am Okay, White a minute,
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Speaker 1: White a minute. You're just totally You're You're killing me
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Speaker 1: right now because the thought of you, Brian, I mean
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Speaker 1: you and I go way back of you laying there
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Speaker 1: on the ground with bullets ringing out and all you
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Speaker 1: can think about is trying to get back to your daughter.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but but Nancy, you know what that triggers.
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Speaker 1: It triggers post shooting guilt in other words, in other words,
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Speaker 1: because I had to talk with some people at the
22:39
Speaker 1: survivor meeting about this, because there was a there was
22:42
Speaker 1: a guy I met there who invited me, a g
22:43
Speaker 1: named Taylor Winston. Taylor was a hero if you if
22:47
Speaker 1: you looked him up, he actually was a former IRAQI
22:50
Speaker 1: that he was at the shooting. He actually grabbed a
22:53
Speaker 1: truck that had keys in it and started transporting some
22:56
Speaker 1: bodies in the hospital. So when I hear his story,
22:59
Speaker 1: I I didn't kind of spiral because I feel like
23:02
Speaker 1: I didn't do enough. But this gets to me having
23:05
Speaker 1: a daughter. None of the words I saw people down.
23:08
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I didn't. I didn't feel like I did
23:11
Speaker 1: enough because I was trying to get back to my
23:14
Speaker 1: little girl, whereas other people grew more. So I'm feeling psychologically.
23:19
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a therapist. I'm trying to work on that
23:22
Speaker 1: aspect of it too. So that's that's the demons that
23:25
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with. Shot you gotta stop, you got to
23:28
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're seeing somebody with survivor's guilt because
23:32
Speaker 1: you were trying to protect the thing that means the
23:34
Speaker 1: most to you, your child. And I also don't like
23:37
Speaker 1: people attacking all day for leaving the stage, because when
23:41
Speaker 1: you are confronted with death, you act instinctively. He wasn't
23:47
Speaker 1: standing there thinking, oh, what's gonna look good with my
23:50
Speaker 1: pr eight? You know, that's not what it was about.
23:52
Speaker 1: It's about saving your life. So I really resent people
23:56
Speaker 1: attacking the survivors because something kicks in and I just
24:02
Speaker 1: didn't still imagining you on the ground with the bullets
24:06
Speaker 1: ringing out, How did you get out of there? And
24:09
Speaker 1: what what was it like? What was going through your mind?
24:11
Speaker 1: What was everybody else doing? Well? I mean, I mean
24:15
Speaker 1: it was like it was pick your poison. I mean death.
24:17
Speaker 1: Death was death was definitely at your doorstep. And and
24:21
Speaker 1: and what I remember is thinking, so when the first
24:25
Speaker 1: time the shots were was going on, like I said,
24:27
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to die, and I went
24:28
Speaker 1: from I'm going to die too. There was a little
24:31
Speaker 1: break in the shooting. Then I'm like, oh my gosh,
24:33
Speaker 1: I'm steeling my body and I'm like and I was
24:35
Speaker 1: covering the side of my head while the shots were
24:37
Speaker 1: going on, and either or not, it was so surrealized,
24:40
Speaker 1: pulling on people's pants, like like some people were still standing.
24:43
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were just in shock top
24:46
Speaker 1: of trying to pull people to come down. And then
24:48
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh my god, I'm still alive.
24:50
Speaker 1: And then then I started running and I saw people
24:53
Speaker 1: down and I was like running actually in the in
24:55
Speaker 1: an open area, which was not good. And then what
25:00
Speaker 1: happened is there was a really a herolic young Hispanic
25:03
Speaker 1: man um and he said get out of you're you're
25:06
Speaker 1: in the line of fire. Get out, come over here.
25:10
Speaker 1: And then there was this little area like under this
25:12
Speaker 1: little small bleacher the left of the stage, and he
25:15
Speaker 1: goes coming here. This is before the second round his
25:19
Speaker 1: shots right and I go in there, and I'll never
25:22
Speaker 1: forget seeing like five like a young lady, like young ladies.
25:26
Speaker 1: It must have been probably got between nineteen and twenty two.
25:29
Speaker 1: And they were just on their knees praying erically, like
25:33
Speaker 1: praying like all in a corner, like in this little area.
25:37
Speaker 1: So I tried to calm them down and said, you know,
25:39
Speaker 1: said he's gonna be okay, just a lot. You know,
25:41
Speaker 1: I did say, I just just be calm. We're gonna
25:44
Speaker 1: get through this, I said, But we've got to get
25:46
Speaker 1: out of here when this next shooting stops. Because then
25:49
Speaker 1: I started thinking about the Pulse night club shooting. You
25:52
Speaker 1: see what I mean. It was like it was like okay, okay,
25:55
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought, okay, okay, wow, we're protected now.
25:57
Speaker 1: Let see what people don't understand. And we know where
26:00
Speaker 1: the shooting was coming from. So everybody Monday morning quarterbacks.
26:04
Speaker 1: So it was just up in a hotel. What are
26:05
Speaker 1: you worried about? We were thinking it was people were
26:08
Speaker 1: right across the fence. I was right next to the fence,
26:10
Speaker 1: contiguous for Bocibit his boulevards. So while for a moment
26:14
Speaker 1: I thought we were safe inside that room, I was
26:17
Speaker 1: starting to panic and I prayed. I was like, oh
26:19
Speaker 1: my god, I think shutter comes in here. We're done right,
26:22
Speaker 1: We're toast because we got nowhere to go, so that
26:26
Speaker 1: then the next round of shooting is going on. We're
26:28
Speaker 1: just we're And I think you can relate to this
26:31
Speaker 1: being a mom. You know, I'm a middle aged man,
26:35
Speaker 1: so I felt guilty that these young girls were gonna die.
26:38
Speaker 1: So I instinctively stood in front of them. I'm really
26:41
Speaker 1: proud of this because I didn't feel like I did enough,
26:43
Speaker 1: but I felt like I was protecting them. I stood
26:46
Speaker 1: in front of them and didn't even get behind his
26:48
Speaker 1: barty and I pulled in front of them. I stood
26:50
Speaker 1: in front of them because I was kind of feeling like, look,
26:53
Speaker 1: if this dude comes into here, then he could shoot
26:56
Speaker 1: me first because these girls are younger, right, and they
26:58
Speaker 1: haven't left enough of life. So I stood like right
27:02
Speaker 1: in front here the entrance of the door. And then
27:04
Speaker 1: there was another break in the shooting, and I'll never
27:06
Speaker 1: forget the most surreal moment. I peeked out the door
27:10
Speaker 1: and I literally am facing the Manila Bay, looking right
27:14
Speaker 1: at the Manila Bay, and then there was a really
27:16
Speaker 1: great police officer across the fence you saw me, and
27:20
Speaker 1: he screams out, I'll never forget these words. Run north, now,
27:25
Speaker 1: run north, now, north, and go further away from the
27:29
Speaker 1: front of the venue. And then of course I started
27:32
Speaker 1: like running north, and then I'm like, what about the girls, right,
27:36
Speaker 1: So I did a quick three sixty and we hit
27:38
Speaker 1: back in the room like let's go, come on, let's go,
27:41
Speaker 1: we gotta get out of here, and then started going
27:43
Speaker 1: towards the back. But Nancy, what people don't get is
27:46
Speaker 1: the entire time you're trying to exit, you're waiting to
27:50
Speaker 1: get hit. No other words, we were then of them
27:52
Speaker 1: were waiting to get hit from behind, like like we're
27:54
Speaker 1: waiting like like we had to wait for people to
27:57
Speaker 1: try to get out. But the whole time you're you're
28:00
Speaker 1: expecting you get hit in the back because the shots
28:02
Speaker 1: are still going on. So and then eventually kind of
28:05
Speaker 1: had to calmb people down to get out of this
28:07
Speaker 1: one little small four foot exit, and I just said
28:12
Speaker 1: to people, if you're gonna fight, nobody's gonna make it
28:15
Speaker 1: out of your live. I tried to really just say,
28:17
Speaker 1: we've got to all get in a single line and
28:20
Speaker 1: try to get our way through, and you know, praise
28:22
Speaker 1: God made it out. Dr Carroll Aberman. When you're listening
28:26
Speaker 1: to Brian Claypool, it's just overwhelming. Dr Carroll, Yes, it
28:32
Speaker 1: really is. And Brian certainly brought it to life. I
28:34
Speaker 1: mean you could still. I think we all got chills
28:37
Speaker 1: just hearing and it was still so raw in his mind.
28:41
Speaker 1: Let me tell you the second thought I had after
28:43
Speaker 1: I survived for that first round of bullets. I said
28:46
Speaker 1: to myself, I am effing upset about this, and if
28:50
Speaker 1: I live, I'm going to get to the bottom of
28:54
Speaker 1: how this can happen and then do my part. It
28:58
Speaker 1: kind of galvanized my godly of this in the world.
29:01
Speaker 1: Why am I still here? I'm still here now because
29:04
Speaker 1: I'm representing a lot of victims in this case. We
29:06
Speaker 1: want to try to prevent this from happening again. So
29:10
Speaker 1: I'm focusing more on what did the Mandalay Bay and
29:14
Speaker 1: m SAM do wrong in terms of horrible training, having
29:18
Speaker 1: little or no security at all, allowing you to use
29:21
Speaker 1: the freight elevader, not having an alarm in the window
29:24
Speaker 1: for somebody's drilling holes in the window, not arming the
29:27
Speaker 1: security guards, things like that, the barricaded door not doing
29:31
Speaker 1: anything about that. I'm focused. I'm galvanizing my focus on
29:36
Speaker 1: how could this happen in a civilized society with people
29:40
Speaker 1: that really care about safeguarding people. To me, the issue
29:44
Speaker 1: is about greed eclipses public safety, and I want to
29:48
Speaker 1: break up that culture of money, money, money at the
29:52
Speaker 1: expense of keeping people saying. So that's my focus. I
29:56
Speaker 1: want to hear about when you finally when you were running,
30:01
Speaker 1: You're crawling along army crawl, the shots are ringing out.
30:05
Speaker 1: You try to protect those two young girls. The guy says,
30:10
Speaker 1: run north. Now you start running. Everybody's running. I can't
30:15
Speaker 1: even imagine what that was like, Brian, Yeah, it's uh,
30:20
Speaker 1: what what? What? What? What? People? We talked about this
30:23
Speaker 1: at the survivor's group where a lot of are are are.
30:28
Speaker 1: The trauma that weren't healing with is what's called disassociation.
30:33
Speaker 1: If I speak from me, I'm still dealing with this, Carol,
30:36
Speaker 1: you know it's probably what I'm talking about. This association,
30:39
Speaker 1: Nancy means that I'm more disconnected now from the average
30:44
Speaker 1: fault on the street because I don't feel like they
30:48
Speaker 1: can really relate to what I went through. Right, weren't
30:52
Speaker 1: for example, like what we were talking about earlier, which
30:56
Speaker 1: is like I feel comfortable talking to you. You have kids.
30:59
Speaker 1: You kind of get what people don't get. For example,
31:02
Speaker 1: is I don't know where I don't know where the suitor.
31:06
Speaker 1: There's a good points I was just gonna say, sitars,
31:10
Speaker 1: I thought there were several suitors. We all fought people.
31:14
Speaker 1: I've talked to her in there. This was a masked
31:16
Speaker 1: terror attack. We thought terrorsts were teaking over the city
31:21
Speaker 1: of Vegas. Okay, this this is upsets me. It angers
31:25
Speaker 1: me because I'm so sick of people minimizing what I
31:29
Speaker 1: went through. Oh, you weren't standing over there where most
31:34
Speaker 1: of the people were killed, and that there yet a
31:36
Speaker 1: person was killed thirty in front of me. I saw
31:38
Speaker 1: when I read through the investigator report. Oh well it
31:41
Speaker 1: was just a guy shooting up and now, hotel, are
31:43
Speaker 1: you freaking fountains around? I mean every movie you made,
31:48
Speaker 1: you thought you were going to get hit that we
31:50
Speaker 1: thought people were coming over the fact, imagine your your
31:54
Speaker 1: trror than Nancy is magnified ten. You don't know where
32:00
Speaker 1: this is coming from. In every move you make your body.
32:04
Speaker 1: That's to help you have a vivid understanding of what
32:07
Speaker 1: I want to every move I need, I thought could
32:10
Speaker 1: make it be the difference between life and death. And
32:14
Speaker 1: and even when I got out of the venue have
32:17
Speaker 1: been a story. I end up at the Tropic Canna
32:21
Speaker 1: and I'm standing there and I'm breathing, and I'm like,
32:23
Speaker 1: oh my, I think I'm still alive. And all of
32:26
Speaker 1: a sudden there's an announcement, there's a scream, there's a scream,
32:29
Speaker 1: another shooter, and then we're told there's an active shooter
32:34
Speaker 1: shooting ending Tropicana. And then had to rush through the
32:40
Speaker 1: trafic can and saw people's clothing, sweatshirt, shoes strew everywhere
32:45
Speaker 1: throughout the casino. Okay, so this went on for hours
32:49
Speaker 1: and hours. To Randy Sutton, retired Vegas Police lieutenant, host
32:55
Speaker 1: of Blue Lives radio founder of the Wounded Blue Foundation, Andy,
33:00
Speaker 1: here's your chance. What do you have to say to
33:04
Speaker 1: MGM A. Mandalay Bay. Well, what I have to say
33:08
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to put on the air, quite honestly,
33:10
Speaker 1: And oh I think I would. That's where you got well. UM, I,
33:17
Speaker 1: as as a law enforcement professional, UM was very proud
33:22
Speaker 1: of of the law enforcement and first responders. UM, and
33:26
Speaker 1: they themselves are dealing with some incredible trauma as well.
33:31
Speaker 1: Post traumatic stress is a true killer. And the fact
33:37
Speaker 1: that this mega corporation is so callous cares so little
33:44
Speaker 1: about the people that were victimized. Here is is an
33:49
Speaker 1: indictment of of the of the corporation, of the of
33:54
Speaker 1: the lack of humanity and UM and I quite honestly
34:00
Speaker 1: hope that the calls for boycotting MGM properties is heated. UM.
34:06
Speaker 1: They have destroyed their there from their corporate greed, which
34:12
Speaker 1: is all that is. You know, it's all based on money.
34:15
Speaker 1: This is all based on money. This has nothing to
34:17
Speaker 1: do with the humanity of what took place. This is
34:21
Speaker 1: all based on cash and that makes this this even worse.
34:26
Speaker 1: And UH and I personally and professionally feel that that
34:32
Speaker 1: there needs to be UM. There needs to be justice
34:36
Speaker 1: done here and the only justice that they are concerned
34:39
Speaker 1: about is their pocketbook. True awards were never spoken. Randy Sutton.
34:45
Speaker 1: Back to you, Brian Claypool. You survived. How has it
34:51
Speaker 1: affected your family? Yes, So here's what I'm going through.
34:55
Speaker 1: And I read a post the other day that really
35:00
Speaker 1: helped me deal with this trauma. It's it's the post
35:04
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Was there it wasn't the survivors because it
35:07
Speaker 1: said true courage, it's complete vulnerability. Think about that for
35:12
Speaker 1: a second. True courage is complete vulnerability. You've gone through
35:17
Speaker 1: this in your life with the tragic you had, Okay,
35:20
Speaker 1: That's how I've chosen to deal with this from front,
35:23
Speaker 1: and that's why I've spoken a lot about not only
35:26
Speaker 1: the shooting, but what I'm not afraid to say what
35:28
Speaker 1: I'm going through. Okay, And here's what I'm going through
35:30
Speaker 1: because I need to be vulnerable for me to get
35:33
Speaker 1: my courage back, because I'm a little bit beaten down
35:35
Speaker 1: from this. Here's what I'm experiencing. Catastrophic thoughts for example.
35:40
Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna get sad hearing this. And
35:42
Speaker 1: I'm on the freeway and I get this thought as
35:45
Speaker 1: I'm driving, and I'm driving in the car pooling right
35:49
Speaker 1: carpool want is close to the media, and then the
35:51
Speaker 1: up traffic coming on the other side of the freeway
35:53
Speaker 1: so we could go. I'm just driving with my daughter
35:55
Speaker 1: in the back seat, and then the thought comes over
35:57
Speaker 1: me that a car is gonna hit me from the side,
36:00
Speaker 1: fish tailing me and push my car into the other
36:04
Speaker 1: lane of traffic in a truck is going to smash
36:06
Speaker 1: our car, and I'm gonna watch my daughter dying needed killed.
36:10
Speaker 1: So these are so things are happening in my world.
36:13
Speaker 1: I had a nightmare about an earthquake. An earthquake was happening,
36:17
Speaker 1: and my little girl and I are rushing too the
36:20
Speaker 1: out of the house as the ceiling is following of us.
36:24
Speaker 1: That's one thing that I'm going through, catastrophic thoughts. It was.
36:28
Speaker 1: Another part of it is I'm very much more anti
36:31
Speaker 1: social now. Um, I don't really like being around people much.
36:34
Speaker 1: I don't really trust people anymore. I don't really feel
36:38
Speaker 1: seech anywhere I go. I kind of always constantly looking
36:42
Speaker 1: around my shoulders wherever I'm at. I don't trust anybody.
36:46
Speaker 1: And and then I think the biggest, one of the
36:48
Speaker 1: biggest things for me is I feel like part of
36:53
Speaker 1: my soul was killed. I told people is I might
36:56
Speaker 1: not have been physically hit by a bullet, but part
36:58
Speaker 1: of my fluttle guide in that shooting. So I'm having
37:03
Speaker 1: struggles with the deally routines of life. In other words,
37:07
Speaker 1: I you know me, I'm I focused on my law firm,
37:11
Speaker 1: like I care my daughter first. I didn't keep my
37:13
Speaker 1: business going but I gotta tell you, every day tasks
37:17
Speaker 1: of getting my bills paid, finally getting my car to
37:21
Speaker 1: the car washed the other day, having tons of stuff
37:24
Speaker 1: in my car that I hadn't taken out, little things
37:27
Speaker 1: in life that you think you knocked out one to
37:30
Speaker 1: three had become really really big task for me because
37:34
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like I have this same Do
37:37
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting, Brian, is that I don't know
37:41
Speaker 1: if this is a good knees or bad knees to
37:45
Speaker 1: this day, and Keith was murdered a long time ago.
37:49
Speaker 1: I to this day, I joke about it a lot,
37:54
Speaker 1: and I joke about it with the other parents at
37:56
Speaker 1: school and the teachers, and it's kind of a joke
37:59
Speaker 1: to them. But I will go to the school at
38:04
Speaker 1: all times of the day and drive by and I
38:08
Speaker 1: make a joke. I'll call my husband on the phone
38:10
Speaker 1: or um, I might have Alan on the phone, and
38:13
Speaker 1: I'll go, You'll go, where are you? I'm driving through
38:15
Speaker 1: the twins school, just making sure they're not in lockdown.
38:18
Speaker 1: You know that everything is okay, ha ha. I'm not kidding.
38:23
Speaker 1: And I still have the nightmares. I still everything. It
38:31
Speaker 1: affects you for the rest of your life. Now I've
38:35
Speaker 1: gone on. I function. I mean, there have been periods
38:38
Speaker 1: of times that I really couldn't and all I had
38:41
Speaker 1: was prosecuting or my my job, having your daughter. It
38:48
Speaker 1: it it's healing because you you have to get normalized.
38:53
Speaker 1: You have to for her, you know, you know, Brian, Yeah, yeah,
38:58
Speaker 1: thank you for that. I just wanted to say, Brian,
39:02
Speaker 1: you know that those are classic symptoms of PTSD. Right, Yeah, No,
39:09
Speaker 1: you're you're right. I'm I'm drinking. Um was a therapist.
39:13
Speaker 1: I'm seeing her on a weekly basis to night. Yeah,
39:18
Speaker 1: that's what that's what she's diagnosed. Here's another thing I learned, Brian.
39:22
Speaker 1: I learned that bet effects your whole world. Like you know,
39:26
Speaker 1: after Keith was murdered, I went on, I met David.
39:29
Speaker 1: I couldn't let myself marry, or be happy or or
39:33
Speaker 1: love anybody. And that's why I was so crazy mean
39:38
Speaker 1: as a prosecutor all those years. I mean I looked
39:40
Speaker 1: at everybody and they were like, if I let this
39:43
Speaker 1: guy go on a theft, he could get out shoot somebody,
39:46
Speaker 1: then it's on me. Oh hell no, he's got to
39:48
Speaker 1: go to jail. And everybody if they came to into
39:51
Speaker 1: my courtroom was just like woe is you? Because that's
39:55
Speaker 1: where I was coming from, and I couldn't move forward.
40:00
Speaker 1: And you know what what it ended in is me
40:03
Speaker 1: and Lucy almost dying in childbirth because all those years
40:09
Speaker 1: I couldn't let go and be happy and have love.
40:15
Speaker 1: I couldn't have love because in my mind it was wrong.
40:19
Speaker 1: But you know, I still love Keith and I couldn't
40:21
Speaker 1: let go. And as a result, you know, because of
40:24
Speaker 1: my delay giving birth so late in life, you know what,
40:27
Speaker 1: Lucy almost died there. So it affects every it seeps
40:32
Speaker 1: into every part of your Thank you for sharing that.
40:35
Speaker 1: By the way, I really thank you for sharing that
40:37
Speaker 1: because you just validated something that I'm I'm I haven't
40:41
Speaker 1: only publicly mentioned this, but I'm going through something similar
40:45
Speaker 1: to what you're going through. Um. You know, I'm still single.
40:48
Speaker 1: I want to meet a woman to get married. I'd
40:50
Speaker 1: love to have another kid, even though it's later in life.
40:52
Speaker 1: But for me, I even before the shooting, I hadn't used.
40:56
Speaker 1: My mom died when I was a little, really really
40:58
Speaker 1: little kid, bred breast can My dad was alcoholic, never around.
41:02
Speaker 1: I was basically orphaned as a kid and raising myself
41:06
Speaker 1: from my little sister, and so I've never had a
41:10
Speaker 1: feeling of trusting a family foundation. I've always you know,
41:14
Speaker 1: I ruined my relationship with my daughter's mom. I should
41:17
Speaker 1: have gotten married. I couldn't trust. I already had trust
41:20
Speaker 1: issees with marriage right, trusting this could be a safe
41:24
Speaker 1: place for me. Then the shooting happens. Now it's like
41:28
Speaker 1: I try not trying to go on a date. I
41:30
Speaker 1: was just so disconnected from the whole thing. I'm like,
41:34
Speaker 1: now I'm feeling like, am I ever gonna Maybe I
41:38
Speaker 1: will never have a family now because I just can't.
41:41
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. That's what I thought. But I'm
41:45
Speaker 1: begging you. I'm begging you. Don't do what I did.
41:49
Speaker 1: That's my message to crime victims all the time. Don't
41:53
Speaker 1: stop your life like I did. Don't that's if I
41:59
Speaker 1: had just been able to just move forward. YEA. Well,
42:05
Speaker 1: believe it or not that they asked that part actually
42:07
Speaker 1: helps me being involved in this litigation um and helping
42:12
Speaker 1: these victims. Uh. You know, I've got a woman who
42:16
Speaker 1: lost a luck on her son was killed. He lives
42:18
Speaker 1: in Alaska's map got about fifteen people that have been
42:24
Speaker 1: physically injured in the shooting. And I've got about twenty
42:28
Speaker 1: people that are suffering from PTSD, and I have to
42:31
Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, every single client that I represent in
42:34
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas shooting, it's an honor and a privilege
42:38
Speaker 1: to be representing them because I feel like I'm going
42:41
Speaker 1: to get answers through representing them in this case and
42:45
Speaker 1: being at the forefront of this case. And then that
42:48
Speaker 1: is going to be therapy for me to into another word,
42:52
Speaker 1: to carry out what my godly purposes surviving, So that
42:56
Speaker 1: is actually feelings. Fine Vegas shooting victim, You're already lived
43:02
Speaker 1: through the potential loss of your life. Okay, Now this
43:08
Speaker 1: our applicants that apply for our financial assistance through Root
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Speaker 1: ninety one strong dot org are in in a dire
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Speaker 1: place there at the rock bottom they've ever been after
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Speaker 1: witnessing this mass murder. And we have applicants that have
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Speaker 1: lost their jobs, they're about to lose their homes. Some
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Speaker 1: have lost their homes. They send us their eviction notices
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Speaker 1: and we give them immediate financial assistance to save them
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Speaker 1: and their families from being on the streets. Lisa, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, you know people may thank oh, they're malingering
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Speaker 1: that's not true. After my fiancee was murdered, I couldn't
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Speaker 1: think straight at all. I could not, and I dropped
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Speaker 1: out of school. I lost my job or quit my job,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just didn't show up. Nothing formal
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Speaker 1: happen where I was. I worked at the library at
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Speaker 1: my universe, Mercy University. I just everything stopped. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the last thing on my mind was trying to study
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Speaker 1: or go work at the line. I couldn't even think.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't even eat. And so I feel your soul.
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Speaker 1: I feel your soul are applicants. They are at the
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Speaker 1: rock bottom they've ever been after witnessing this mass murder.
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Speaker 1: They're on suicide watch. And then this if if any
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Speaker 1: of those applicants of ours died, you know, take their
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Speaker 1: life because of this unbelievable Brian Claypool, I want to
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Speaker 1: hear your message to other victims of the Vegas sheeter
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Speaker 1: that managed to survive. Yeah, thanks Nancy. My message would
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Speaker 1: be take the time to understand and crystalize why you survived.
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Speaker 1: That's what That's what's getting me through this. I've gone
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Speaker 1: from why me? Why am I alive? Two? What am
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Speaker 1: I going to do for the rest of my life
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Speaker 1: to make a difference. Now I'm on the impact part
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Speaker 1: of my life. I would encourage survivors amid managing their trauma.
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Speaker 1: Like Carol said the PTSD, try to seek your out
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