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Jaleel White | Delivering Happiness with Nick Tuturro · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

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  Speaker 1: Pizza delivery. Another doozy place. Look who it is. What's up,
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  Speaker 1: my man? How you doing, man? How you doing? What
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  Speaker 1: you got? What you got? I got pizza for you, baby.
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  Speaker 1: All right, come on in. It's all about you today.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Jaleel Wayne. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. Come on, Gabe. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Gabe. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's just my driver. He's cool. Yeah, yeah, my driver.
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  Speaker 1: He's got the napkins. Well, don't drivers normally wait outside? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have him in the corner. Come over here, Gabe.
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  Speaker 1: Is your driver house trained? He's good. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: be good just standing there like that? He's a quiet assassin. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right. We can't get your driver a better jersey.
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  Speaker 1: He's got the Yankee jersey. He's out here in L.A.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get no better than that. All right. You couldn't
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  Speaker 1: wait outside. Now he'll stay here. We have drinks for him.
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  Speaker 1: He's good. All right, I'll let you in the room.
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  Speaker 1: You okay with that? What you got for me here?
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  Speaker 1: Fresh out of the oven, baby. What's this one? This
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  Speaker 1: is one of these... Sunset Squares. Okay, you got a
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  Speaker 1: Sunset Square? Yeah. You got the spicy joint though that
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  Speaker 1: I wanted? I'm sure they do. That's what you wanted, right?
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  Speaker 1: Let me see what this one is. It's got to
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  Speaker 1: be the one. Don't be holding out on me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not holding out. What's going on? There you go. Just
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  Speaker 1: lift that little tab right there. Never force. Never force. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everything has to happen smoothly. You got it, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one I want. Let's go. Don't play with me. Right. Right?
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  Speaker 1: That's the real deal. There you go. This is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a big pizza person really late? I am.
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  Speaker 1: I've been a big pizza person my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the same when it comes to pizzas, burgers, ice cream, cookies, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I got to find the best of it anyway. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, listen, I've been spoiled my whole life. Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you from? I'm from Queens. I'm born and
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  Speaker 1: raised in L.A. All right. So, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have that same pedigree I have as far as pizza goes.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true? Is it true? Shallow bell berries. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah. They hold us down out here.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but this is Prince Street. But this is
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  Speaker 1: Prince Street now, so now you got competition. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: We're the big guys on the block. Absolutely, Doc. Corner?
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  Speaker 1: You're going to go to the corner guy? Let me
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  Speaker 1: get a corner. All right. I'm going to go corner.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a corner guy, too. When Prince arrived, though, that made...
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  Speaker 1: I have to say, they mastered this slice, because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people out there trying to do... You know,
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  Speaker 1: they have other slices, but this one, the spicy spring,
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  Speaker 1: I think is the... That's the one that put them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Made him rich and famous. That's fantastic. You
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  Speaker 1: like it? Very good. You know, I like to just
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  Speaker 1: take the pepperonis and mums. Just eat them individually. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Have a napkin. Absolutely, my brother. He loves
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  Speaker 1: the pizza. And it's nice and hot. In fact, I'm
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  Speaker 1: hungry myself. Mmm. Boy, that's good. Do you remember my
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  Speaker 1: earliest times meeting you? I think it was like the
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  Speaker 1: ABC events. Yep. Years ago. Yeah, we're talking NYPD Blue. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What'd they call those? Upfronts? Upfronts, baby. Explain to the
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  Speaker 1: audience what the Upfronts were.
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  Speaker 2: So, Upfronts were, every May, all the networks would announce
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  Speaker 2: their fall primetime lineups. And they would do pre-sales for
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  Speaker 2: ad time during the show. So they'd roll us all
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: out there in front of all of the affiliate owners.
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  Speaker 2: and really get them hyped up, and they'd always bring
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  Speaker 2: out the new shows and the veteran shows. And that
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like a time in New York, we'd
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  Speaker 2: always have this big party, remember it, what was it,
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  Speaker 2: Tavern on the Green.
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  Speaker 1: Tavern on the Green, right?
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  Speaker 2: And it was kind of like a time to really like,
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  Speaker 2: it was like, the starter pistol for the season.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? They kick it off, right?
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  Speaker 1: They kick it off. It's like you're on the lineup,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And you're about a month away from going back to
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  Speaker 2: actual work.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But here's where you get a chance to see your
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  Speaker 2: stable mates. And you kind of know, too, some of
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  Speaker 2: us ain't coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You kind of know. It's just like, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Some that have run its course. Yeah, it's like, good
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  Speaker 1: luck this season. I want to see you next season.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see you next season, right? What year
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: was that? Was that 94, 95? Man.
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  Speaker 3: I think it had to be a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: How long was your run? Our run was nine years.
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  Speaker 1: Nine years? Our run was nine. Yeah. But you were Bochco.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Bochco was a different pedigree. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it was very early on, though, in
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  Speaker 2: YPD Blue. Very early on. I even think Caruso was still.
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  Speaker 1: On the show at that point. We premiered in 93, 94. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was then. So it was then. Those were my...
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  Speaker 1: Because Caruso only did one year. Okay. And then he
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  Speaker 1: did like four episodes. I was actually good friends with him.
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  Speaker 1: I just couldn't understand what he was doing. He was
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  Speaker 1: the hottest actor. Bro, I mean, we couldn't. What are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about? Huh? Nobody could understand what he was
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  Speaker 1: up to at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was the hottest show there was.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted to be a movie star, but... You don't
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  Speaker 1: become a movie star overnight. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Being big on the small screen is valuable too. No shit.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, his first hiatus, he had a big movie,
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  Speaker 1: Kiss of Death. I remember that. They extended the hiatus
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  Speaker 1: for him. Everything. And then he had another offer that
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to do. You know, this William Friedkin movie,
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  Speaker 1: Jade or something. That he did wind up doing because
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  Speaker 1: he talked his way off the show and like That
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  Speaker 1: was just too quick, too soon. He was so great
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  Speaker 1: on NYPD. I know. He was fantastic. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was lucky years later. He got a break doing
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  Speaker 1: the sunglass thing, you know, CSI. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: But usually when you, you know, throw away a part
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  Speaker 1: like that, you know, nobody does. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: He was the guy, you know? And it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: whether it's good television or good movies. Good work is
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  Speaker 1: good work. Yep. I couldn't understand. I was young, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you sure this is what you want?
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  Speaker 1: He was like, well, they don't want to meet my demands, this, that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Dave, you know, come on. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: great on this, and they helped make you a star.
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  Speaker 1: But that was him. A show like that, got around
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  Speaker 1: for 10 years. Yeah. With him in number one position. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're number one guy. Even George Clooney did
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  Speaker 1: maybe three, four years. I mean, you know, nobody leaves
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  Speaker 1: after one year. Nobody. You know what I mean? It
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  Speaker 1: was unheard of. Yeah, like you look at James Gandolfini.
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  Speaker 1: You think he was going to quit The Sopranos? I mean, no.
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  Speaker 2: What was amazing about times back then also, though, was
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  Speaker 2: just the.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's just keep it real. The pay was incredible. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: for some people. Even for you? Maybe you. Nah, even
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  Speaker 1: for you, listen. You know why? Botchko, God bless his soul.
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  Speaker 1: I love the man. But he was kind of frugal.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going to tell you what you did get.
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  Speaker 1: But I got... How many episodes did you get in
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  Speaker 1: a year? We got 22. Dog, 22 episode orders? You
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  Speaker 1: know what my first year was? Now you get eight episodes.
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  Speaker 1: You know what my guarantee was? What? Seven out of 13.
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  Speaker 1: Seven out of 13. But you were in more than that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm trying to explain something. You're in television. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means you're only getting seven
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  Speaker 1: out of 13 checks. Right. And if they don't like you,
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  Speaker 1: what happens? They can cut you. Right. But they do
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  Speaker 1: that in the NFL too and we don't complain about it.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't cut me. They didn't cut you. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And I wound up doing 20 out of 22. Come on, Playboy.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: The show's a hit. The show's a hit. They go,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to pick you up for the back nine.
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  Speaker 1: Tell them what the back nine is. The back nine.
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  Speaker 2: So the back nine in your first season, back in
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  Speaker 2: the 90s and early 2000s, they'd order 13 episodes. If
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  Speaker 2: your ratings were good enough to survive, they picked up
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  Speaker 2: the back nine, which was the last nine episodes to
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  Speaker 2: give you a full season. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big deal. That's a hell of a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have more checks too. I remember one
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  Speaker 1: producer going to me, hey man, don't unpack your bags, kid.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I just got here. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: already somebody's being like, you know, talking shit. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, but I didn't let it bother
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  Speaker 1: me because I was like, you know, I was so
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  Speaker 1: naive at the time. My agent goes, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: in the opening credits. I go, I thought I was
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  Speaker 1: in the opening credits. He was like, you are, you are.
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  Speaker 1: But they really like you. And I was like, oh, great, great.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't put that added pressure on me like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got to be good. Oh, they got to like me.
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  Speaker 1: Which was good. I just went about it. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: worried about the set. I really wasn't. I gave up
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  Speaker 1: my doorman job and then boom, I was a full-time actor.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I love about your career is I
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  Speaker 2: kind of feel a kindred spirit in you. Because I
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  Speaker 2: know you're the kind of actor who just earns it
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  Speaker 2: on set. All that star stuff. Who's the biggest star?
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  Speaker 2: Who's a leading man? Who looks a certain way? Who's
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  Speaker 2: dating this person? You ain't concerned with none of that.
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  Speaker 1: In between action.
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  Speaker 2: And cut, you're going to handle your business and you're
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  Speaker 2: going to give the director and producer choices. And you're
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  Speaker 2: also probably going to be a giving actor. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to be open to other people's ideas. You're not going
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  Speaker 2: to do no... you know, touching of people and here
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  Speaker 2: you stand here, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Like, you just, you have a very collaborative spirit. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, I can, I love acting.
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  Speaker 2: I really do and it's something I'm kind of reconciling
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  Speaker 2: right now because I make a great living but I
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily make a great.
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  Speaker 1: Living acting anymore. So acting's just kind of like, it's like.
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  Speaker 2: A tool in my box that I know is there
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  Speaker 2: but if I need to whip it out I gotta
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  Speaker 2: sharpen it.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, but that, you know what? But you're still
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  Speaker 1: an actor deep down. Oh yeah. You're still an actor.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid ass phone. You're still an actor that's transitioned into,
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: don't forget, you were a kid. How old were you
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  Speaker 1: when you got the show? Well, I did Family Matters
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  Speaker 1: from 12 to 21. So nine years, I did it, literally.
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  Speaker 2: Started in seventh grade all the way through college.
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  Speaker 1: My God. What were you doing before that? Were you
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  Speaker 1: doing like, commercials? Yeah, I did a lot. Were you, like,
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  Speaker 1: a kid actor?
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  Speaker 2: I did, like, 15 national commercials, a bunch of guest spots, Mr. Belvedere, Jeffersons,
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  Speaker 2: all these random little shows, you know, some that were big,
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  Speaker 2: some that were not so big.
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  Speaker 1: But I always just, I always worked. So, tell me, like,
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: what's going on in your universe? What are you up to, buddy? Man,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: I'm a game show host for the most part, man.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm loving it.
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  Speaker 2: For the last three years, I've been the host of
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  Speaker 2: a show called Flipside. We come on in every major
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  Speaker 2: market and on Game Show Network, the reruns.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, man.
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  Speaker 2: I love my contestants. We give away $ 10, 000 to whoever's
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  Speaker 2: lucky enough to win it. It makes me feel like
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  Speaker 2: a dad and a husband.
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  Speaker 1: 10 grand? 10 grand, baby. Man, what do I got
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  Speaker 1: to do for 10 grand? You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: We can talk about that off camera. I might have
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  Speaker 1: a few times. What else? Is this the big thing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm also hosting an amazing show called Totally 90's House
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  Speaker 2: for HGTV. We've got two celebrity teams that are basically
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  Speaker 2: finding homes that are stuck in the 90s and bringing
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  Speaker 2: them into the now.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a competition show. So we'll see who wins.
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  Speaker 1: That's HGTV? HGTV. Look, people who love home renovation shows.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I love that. They are. I did it myself. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my goodness. Yo, the crowd of people who love HGTV
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  Speaker 1: are a special crowd of people. Respect.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been introduced to that crowd and I get
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  Speaker 2: to host the show and we'll see what happens. I
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  Speaker 2: think we've got about four or five more weeks. of
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  Speaker 2: episodes before we get to the finale.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's already on the air? Yeah, it's already on
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  Speaker 1: the air right now. What's it called? Totally 90s House.
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  Speaker 1: Check it out. Totally 90s House. I'm going to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: If you like home renovation. I do. All right. Because
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  Speaker 1: I did it. I've done it before. What have you renovated?
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  Speaker 1: A whole house one time. By yourself? Well, I ran
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  Speaker 1: the whole job. Oh, you ran the whole job. I
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  Speaker 1: ran it. I mean, what do you think? But are
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  Speaker 1: you handy? No, but I had like a vision. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And so my dad was a builder. Okay. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I doubled the square footage of my first house. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I fired the contract and I took it, I
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  Speaker 1: did it, you know, I got the permits. I hired
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  Speaker 1: all these guys and I didn't know what I was doing.
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  Speaker 1: I made a lot of mistakes. But you learned. But
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  Speaker 1: I learned. And then, you know, the house wasn't perfect.
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  Speaker 1: But in the end, people were like, you built a
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  Speaker 1: nice house. So, you know, I do take credit for
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  Speaker 1: some of it. I didn't actually do it physically, but
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  Speaker 1: I learned a lot. Did you write the checks? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Then you should take all the credit. You're right. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: People were like, you did a pretty good job, but
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  Speaker 1: there were a few flaws in the house that I,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's like anything. When you're a newcomer, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know. My dad was a professional. I've renovated two
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  Speaker 1: homes before myself. Again, I'm not so handy, but I'm resourceful. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what I like, and I think I
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: have good taste. I definitely know. But I was doing
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: it kind of like, on the fly too. Some of
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: it was planned and some I kind of improvised. But overall,
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: it was definitely exhilarating to see your vision come out.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: It was a long ranch and I blew it up
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: on one side, blew it up on the other. My wife,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: it was our first house and she was like, I
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: want a bigger house. And I was like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: could do that. If you could have a dream vacation home,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: where would it be? Me? Dream vacation home. No amount,
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  Speaker 1: there's no, money doesn't matter. Money doesn't matter? Money doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: When you're dreaming, why put a limit on yourself? Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably be in the Caribbean. Really? Yeah. Which island specifically?
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: I like the Dominican Republic a lot. That's what's up. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like the Dominican. I don't know, you know. My
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  Speaker 1: wife would probably say Italy or something like that. I
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: was going to say Lake Como. Lake Como, yeah. L.A.
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been
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  Speaker 1: to in my life. Greece is pretty nice. I've been
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: to Greece too. Which islands? We went to a place
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  Speaker 1: called Paros. Okay. Very, very nice island. Okay. Not as
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  Speaker 1: commercial as Mykonos and Santorini, but beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the smaller islands are nicer, to be quite honest,
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  Speaker 2: as long as you're with the right people. See, what's
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: funny is when it comes to traveling, I almost don't
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  Speaker 2: care where I go now at this point because I've
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  Speaker 2: been to so many places. I care about who I'm
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  Speaker 2: with because if I'm with the right place, if I'm
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  Speaker 2: with the right person, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That place is going to open up like a oyster.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you go away with? I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different friends, man. You know, the last trip I
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: took that just changed me. With other couples? Yeah, with
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: other couples. Oh, I don't do that. You might even
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: know one of my cats, Makai Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Makai Pfeiffer is my dude, man. Really? That's my dude.
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  Speaker 1: We pack up the wives and we go a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different places. Really? We went to Japan, you and I. Oh, wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we went to Japan this past spring. We were there
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  Speaker 1: for 10 days. We did a family trip from where
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: my wife went to the Philippines last Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: That's on my list. I think I have a Filipino palate.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Should do it. I got a Filipino palate, dog. I
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: like Filipino food. But go to the nice places. Give
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  Speaker 1: me some love, you. I went to the sticks. But
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: there's some nice places there. Boracay. There's these places that are...
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Miami Manila's interesting, you know. I got some good plugs, though.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I have two dudes that I would hit immediately. That's
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: what I meant.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: If you're with the right person and you go to
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: these places, it can open up like oyster.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like her dad took us to like, you know,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: you got to go with someone that's from there that
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: could take you around. It's just like New York. You
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: want to see New York? I'll show you New York.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: You got to see it through my eyes. It's just like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I was in Naples. It was scary. My
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: brother goes, you can't walk around Naples by yourself. You're
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: going to have somebody to take you. You know, and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, You're right, because I thought I was
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: going to get jumped or something. So you've got to
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: go with a local. You know, like her dad has
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: local guys, this and that. And that was kind of cool.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Every time I needed money, I was cashing in with
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: my father-in-law's friend. You know, but yeah, you've got to
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: know somebody.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: This is a risque question. Go back to being young, single, spry, Nick.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What are your two favorite countries to have ever visited?
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: When I was single? Yeah, young and spry. I wasn't
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: much of a traveler. Never? You didn't go any place?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I went a couple of places, but I've traveled more
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: with my wife. Okay. I was a New York kid.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't go too many places. For me, it was
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Rio de Janeiro. Oh, okay. And Florianopolis. I mean, I
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: love Brazil.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: The funniest thing about Brazil, though, fantasize about Brazil as
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: an American.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They speak Portuguese. So if you can't
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: speak Portuguese, the women are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: it's a whole lot of like.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I wish I could talk to you, but I can't.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: But what a beautiful place. I spent New Year's there
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a couple of times. And it makes for really, really
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: nice friends. But I wish I could speak Portuguese. Oh
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: my gosh, what a game changer that would have been.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, when you can't speak the language.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: When you can't speak the language, man, you shit out
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of luck. You're stuck. You're stuck. And you could be
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: looking at somebody too. She's looking at you. She's like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: too bad you can't talk to me. Oh, it's so painful.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: That could work in your favor too sometimes. Never know. Okay, yeah, no.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It could. You could be like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I like you. With the proper introduction. There's ways around this.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: That's all you gotta say. Where can you find Flipside?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Flipside you can find on Game Show Network. or your
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: local channels. Just punch it in, flip side, pop right up.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm the host. And what's the point of the show?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: We ask one question two different ways to two different
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: groups of people.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So there's one team of two, there's another team of two.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We ask them one question, we flip the question, we
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: ask them the other question. After that... Give me an example.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, an example of the questions. You watch it, Gabe? Yep.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: That's funny. It's like opposite questions and stuff. That's what
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I think. Is that right? Yeah, what Gabe said. That's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the show, right there. That's the show? That's the show. So, like,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the opposite question. And then who wins what? I mean,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: how do you win?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The final round is one question, ten possible answers. You've
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: got to get the top five before getting three strikes.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: We send you in with $ 10, 000 if you do it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: You've got to get it right. You can't get three strikes.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: You got one question, 10 possible answers. You gotta get
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: the top five polled answers. But you can't get three strikes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Okay. Jesus, I like that. Oh, I love it. Trust me,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: we do 180 episodes a year. I come on every day.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You go every day? Every day. Damn. I love my contestants.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It's a fun gig. Really? Yeah. They have celebrities on? Mm-hmm.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: We did a celebrity, we did some celebrity episodes this year.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: We did an episode this year where we had the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: cast of Miss Pat on.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: That was fantastic.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: That's BET show it's hysterical.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah I do a couple of BET shows we did
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you're all gonna do some BET shows eventually it's you
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: gotta make the rounds you gotta make the rounds We
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: had the Atlanta Falcons. Really?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Jalen Walker, we had Kyle Pence.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Competing against two other cats from the team. That was really,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: really fun.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Then we had the Cats Young and the Restless on. Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: we're kind of dabbling in the whole celebrity version of it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: So you have the personality for this. I'm the host. Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: How'd they get you? How'd they get me? Yeah. You
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: had to audition for that? You know what?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: This was one of the rare jobs I didn't have
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to audition for because I had.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Been doing a lot of games.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I used to be on a show called 25 Words
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: or Less, and I was a regular contestant.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not even lying.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: If you got me and you were a contestant, you
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: were lucky because I knew how to play that game.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I knew how to play that game. Who else was
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: really good at that darn game?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Carson Presley was good at that game. They got me
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and Aida. my cousin Aida, to do like this, I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: guess it was a throwback game show, but you had
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to know a lot about a lot of things, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: we came across as total morons. It was easy to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: come up. It was easy to come up. Because I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: was supposed to help the contestant make money. Oh, if
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you saw the footage, you'd have peed in your pants.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It was comedy, but I felt bad because, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, unless it's about sports or movies, I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: know that much. You know, like, I know what I know. Like,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm a savant with baseball, and movies, I'm pretty, you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: but other than that, I don't know that much about
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the world. How much of a savant are you with baseball, though?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Pretty big. When you say savant, that's a special word.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm I mean, there's certain eras
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that I'm pretty amazing in with, you know, like from
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the 70s to 90, you know, from 1970 on, you know, yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Who had more impressive stats when they played, Deion Sanders
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: or Bo Jackson?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: When they played baseball? Yeah, baseball. Oh, Bo Jackson, by far.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: What did Bo hit career? Bo? Yeah. You know, I'm
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: going to take a guess. I bet you he hit
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: about 275. All right, I can't wait to look that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: up and fact check that. Okay. I mean, Bo was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a pretty good hitter. Bo was amazing.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm young enough and old enough to really understand.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And I didn't see him play every day. Who Bo
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Jackson was. Oh, I mean, he was great. As an athlete. Yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was. Like, Bo was bigger than Mike.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Bo was pretty big. I don't know if he was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: bigger than Mike. No, there was a second Bo was bigger.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It only happened for a second. Bo had a building
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at the Nike campus. But he didn't sustain it. Well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: he got hurt. Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: He got hurt. That famous play, Monday Night Football. Yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I know. That's crazy. Hurt his hip, and he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: never the same. Remember when he ran over the boss? Oh,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that's legendary. I actually like Bosworth. You met Brian Bosworth? No,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I worked with him in Longest Shot.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. What the heck? Cool guy. That's another
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: thing we have in common. Both of us had worked
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: with Adam Sandler. What'd you work with him on? I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: worked with him on Hustle. Oh, okay. I was in Hustle.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Now, did he do the thing that he does where
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: he stops production and play basketball?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Always. Always. Always. That's a flex. That's a given. Like, lunchtime,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Adam's playing. That, to me, is the best A-list flex
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that I've seen. Isn't it? Okay, guys, we're going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: take a break now so I can go hoop. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And he's a good hooper. Very good hooper. Very good.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he can play, Adam. He's such a great guy.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: The only flex better than that was the Jordan Dome
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: being on Warner Brothers' lot.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: When Michael Jordan was filming Space Jam. The Jordan Dome? Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: That's where I filmed Family Matters on... Which lot? On
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers lot. Warner Brothers? Summer of 95, I'll be
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: chasing it for the rest of my life. Right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is filming Space Jam on the same lot
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: as me as a young man.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you couldn't get us to rehearse. Right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It was like, all right, we'll run through.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: This one time and I'm hopping in a golf cart
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and I'm running over to the Jordan Dome. They literally
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: made all of these executives park up by the cemetery.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And they built an indoor dome for Jordan to practice
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: on the back lot. And it was just, it was incredible.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And you'd walk in there on any given day and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: it'd be Reggie Miller, Juwan Howard, Grant Hill, best pickup
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: games you ever saw.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Like I said, the entire time.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Jordan was on our lot, like nobody could get any
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: work done.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I mean. Everybody just wanted to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: just wrap up rehearsals again, you know. I mean, that's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the GOAT. You know what I mean? That is the GOAT.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You know that, right? Yeah. Oh, there's no dispute here.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No dispute.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to debate that. If you're looking for
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: a debate, you're looking for somebody else. My favorites growing up.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Were Magic and Mike. Magic and Mike? Magic and Mike.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Showtime was pretty special.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Showtime was so special. So you grew up a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Laker fan? I grew up a Laker fan. I was
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: one of those dudes that for a long time, I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: was like, nah, Magic's better. Nah, Magic's better. Then they
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: faced off in the finals and it became obvious.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So on Family Matters, Were you a producer?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I was never a producer, I'm feeling that. I was
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: never higher than eighth.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: On the call sheet. And that was kind of by design.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It was just important while doing that show that I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: kind of stayed in the child's place.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that actually contributed to the longevity of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the show. What was that? I think that contributed to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the longevity of the show.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: People say a lot of kind things about my performance
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: with the show.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But, you know, we always left the show intact. You
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, you and I, we opened
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: up kind of talking about.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: The whole David Caruso thing and just kind of like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you know, David made some decisions that affected the entire show.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And he left after one season. Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I had offers to do a similar type thing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And we just instinctively knew at that age that... That's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: not the right thing to do. that what people are
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: enjoying is they're enjoying my chemistry with these other people.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Right. And we got to protect that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: And that was a live audience, right? A live audience.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved the whole sitcom format. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: miss sitcom. I do. I do. It was a high, right?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It was a high performing in front of people every
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: week like that. It really was, but it was different because...
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You guys went syndication, right? You know, performing like that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: in front of audiences every week, though. Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: We got immediate feedback, and this is before the phone era.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So you had their full attention. I couldn't imagine doing.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: A sitcom now with people that have phones in their hands,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: because things can lag.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes during shooting.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You're not going to have their full attention.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just something I kind of miss. Tell me
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: something about.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Old Hollywood that you miss, that you wish would come back,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: because I have one thing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what I really do miss is
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: this bullshit way of auditioning now. going into a room
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and people meeting you. I mean, how you gonna get
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to know Nick Turturro or Jaleel White from just a tape?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You gotta get to know the man by meeting him,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: by feeling him out as a person also. Because when
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you go in the room, it could change everything. Stupid
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: self tape, that's stupid. I really mean it, it doesn't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: tell me anything. It tells me, oh, I like to read,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: but I never met the guy. I wish I had.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Written down my one thing I want to see come
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: back in an envelope and handed it to you to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: open it, because it was the.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Exact same thing. Really?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Dog, I miss an honest in-person audition. This self-tape stuff.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's crap. First of all, you get no feedback. You
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: get no feedback. Even if you blow, you send the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: tape out, agent goes, Brilliant, magnificent. Never hear anything 95%
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of the time. But you're like, did they like it?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Did they not like it? And I'm like, I'm overqualified
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: because I've done so much work. You want me to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: read for all this crap? And I'm like, if you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: really know I'm the guy, I have enough body of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: work to know. Give it to somebody. Don't have me
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: read as a backup or whatever because you already got
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: an offer out and you're just, okay. I just, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: don't like it. I really, I wish they would get
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: rid of that. excuse me, and then I wish they
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: would just go back to like, in person. Hey, we
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: got an audition for you. Great. You go in, you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: meet the cast, and even if you don't get it,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: if they like you, they might say, hey, you know what?
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Jaleel was, he didn't get this one, but we like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: this kid. You know what I mean? That ain't gonna
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: happen with this garbage. I gotta do my self-tape. The
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: last couple, I just, I didn't even do them because
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like, Why? What's the point?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay if someone's starting out. I get it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, but at least we go in and put
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: me on tape. Do that. Just put me on tape
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: going in.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But I think it's important, too, so, you know, we
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: don't sound old and bitter.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I am old. I am a little bitter. I'm bitter
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: with a lot of mediocrity. I told people, I said,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you know what? One guy told me, you're too good.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: And I said, huh? This guy goes, you're actually too good.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I said, why am I getting kicked to the curb?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: He goes, because you're outshining the other guy. And I'm like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of sucks. That does kind of make me bitter.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: We both know about that. Because I'm not trying to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: upstage anybody. I don't know.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just real analytical about it, so... you know, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: want people to kind of understand the value of an
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: in-person audition. So I think the value of an in-person audition, though,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: is A, you get a chance to exchange energy with
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: these people. You get a chance to just see, just
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: on handshake, are we aligned enough to even want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: work together and be in each other's space?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: That's one, right?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Then you get a chance to test each other's professionalism out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I got to be on time. You guys
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: gotta be on time. Sometimes if I showed up to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: an audition, and I've had to do this before, it says, oh,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we're running an hour and a half behind. It was like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: we can reschedule this. Because that's unprofessional. You wouldn't accept
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: me being an hour and a half late. And I
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: actually do have something at 5.30 or whatnot. So that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: lets me know, kind of like even their production. Is
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: their production on top of it or not?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And I want to meet that level of professionalism.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So then you get a chance to interact with the director,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: or the producer, or the CD casting director, So once
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you go in there, one of my favorite things to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: do is to try to give them a take that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: maybe somebody else hadn't done. So I'm always looking for
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: something on the page that's there, but it's not there
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in writing. It's just subtext. Then I try to deliver
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that in the first take. Now, once you do that
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in your first take, you ask him as an actor,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: you kind of like, hey, do you have any questions?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And generally, the director will be like, all right, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like some parts of that, but do it again and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: can you make this adjustment?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: That's where the money time is.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Because now when that director asks you to make that adjustment,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: are you going to give me the exact.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Same performance that you just gave me?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Or are you going to flip it on its head
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and actually give them something completely different or slightly adjusted
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but with the same material? And when they see that
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: happen in real time, they go, wait a minute. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: could direct him. I can direct him. We got an
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: actor here. And that's when the rapport builds. So when
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you do a self-take, you.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Don't get any of that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I get a chance to give you what I think
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: is this character. A magic happens when a director says,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: this is what I was looking for, and you give
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that to them.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: So that's what I wanted people to understand, the context
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of what's lost.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And that's why you've got to meet the person. You've
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: got to meet. You've got to meet human beings. We're
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: not robots. Everybody's an individual. Everybody is different. Yeah. I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: had a guy, a story years ago. I forget what
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I was auditioning for. And this guy came out of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the room. I saw him after when I was leaving
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and He goes, you know what they told me? He goes,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: they told the guy, could you do it like that guy,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Nick Totoro? Well, the guy goes, yeah, wasn't he here?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: He goes, why don't you just fucking hire him? The
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: guy's asking an actor to do it like, how's the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: guy going to know what I did? And then, why
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: aren't you hiring me? When you hear crap like that,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. But at least, it's kind of a funny story.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, but I'm just saying,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like, That's the fun about auditioning,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: going in. We watch that show, Entourage. We love that show.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And there's a great scene in there where Johnny Drama,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he's one of the best characters on the show. It's hilarious.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And he's in there, and he's getting ready. He turns around.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Or something like that. I don't know what he does.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And he turns around. He gets into the character. It's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like a CSI thing, you know? And one of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: fucking dudes is on his phone. He goes, hey, a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: little respect here? You know, in the audition. And the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: showrunner is running Doug Ellen. He's like, Johnny, Johnny. He goes,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: don't let it bother you. Don't let it bother you.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And he goes, man. He goes, fuck this. And he
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: like throws the paper. And the guy goes, Doug Ellen goes,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: all right. All right, John. But then one other guy goes,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I kind of like them. You
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? But I love it because it
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: captures a time in Hollywood where that me and you
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: come from. When you had to go in the room,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: all the guys are lined up. They're all like the characters.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, even that was funny as shit. Guys all pacing. Hey,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you auditioning for? Yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you're auditioning? Yeah, I'm auditioning. You try to, you know, like.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of gamesmanship. A lot of gamesmanship. Just waiting
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to go in. Yeah. I mean, I had a famous
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: actor told me one time, my brother was a heavyweight,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know, and he was like going in for this movie.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Then he saw my brother walk in. I said, what
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was he like? He said, that dude, he's an animal,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my brother. He's just a different cat. I mean, I'm different,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but he's really different. And I mean, he goes, I
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: took a look at your brother. And this guy was
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a good actor. And I was like, I'm not getting that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Look at this guy. This guy looks like he's so
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: fucking focused. He's so concentrated. And that was fun to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: see too, man, because you see guys, man, you're sizing
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: them up. Yeah. You know, you're not trying to be better.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You're just, you're competing. Yeah. You know, and you don't
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: know which way they're going to go. You know? I
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: think even in that, it's kind of like, I'll tell
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: you another story. I auditioned for a pilot. They flew
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me out, man. I was still a doorman. It was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: a sitcom. And they flew me out. I had a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: powder blue leisure suit from the 70s. I get in
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: front of CBS, fucking knocked it out of the park,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you know? And then I go back to my agent,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and he goes, well, the president of CBS says you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: look just like the lead guy, this guy Kevin Dobson.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, what? I went crazy. I was like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I don't look like that guy. I look nothing like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: that guy. I was screaming. I was so mad. And
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: then the guy called up too, Kevin. He wanted me.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: He goes, don't worry, dude, don't worry. They're going to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: look at a bunch of guys with blonde hair and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: blue eyes and you're going to get the fucking pot.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Just go home, go back to New York. You mark
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: my words. I did get the pot. But, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was furious about like, you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: one guy said, you know, I look like the other guy.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And I was like.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, people can get disqualified off of stuff
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: like that. You're taller than the lead or something like that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: You don't look believable with this woman or something like that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Some shit like that. I almost didn't get
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: NYPD Blue because they wanted to know if I was
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: a hardcore Puerto Rican. I was like, tell them anything.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Tell them I'm fucking whatever. Dominican, Puerto Rican, Mexican, and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I found out I do have some Spanish blood. So
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even, I'm like, you're not going to give
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it to me for that? You almost didn't let me
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in the room. Because one woman was like, well, we're
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: only seeing Hispanics. We know he's Italian. I was like, well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: fuck that, man. I'm ethnic. Let me in the room, dude.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And they'll put that out there on the breakdown, too.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: We're seeing all ethnicities. Right. That's for Nick Turturro. All ethnicities.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: That's right. You're right. I had a black guy last
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: night at the game. He goes to me, dude, man,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: could I ask you? He goes, man, I'm a big fan.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I love your shit. And he goes, man, what's the
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: connection with you and Spike? I said, well, Spike gave
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: me my first shot. Spike took a liking to me.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And the rest is history.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: What's something that Spike does on set that's very signature Spike,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the way Adam Sandler likes to play basketball at lunchtime?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: What's something that Spike does on set? He'll repeat himself
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of times if you ask him something. He'll
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: say it over and over, like my son knows a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: funny story. Tell him what Spike did with me. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: was trying to remember my line on the subway in
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: this latest movie, Highest to Lowest, okay? So he's giving
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: me all these rants on the subway, Boston sucks, Boston sucks.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You know, the Red Sox pulled a motherfucking, I don't know.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I was sitting next.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: To Spike and he's in Video Village. And basically he's
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: on the, on the tree, but it's a, it's in
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: a soundstage. So then he, he peaks his head out
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: to like, get the direction from spike and spikes, maybe
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: like 30, 40 feet from.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he goes, why? Why? Why? You know, the line,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you know, the line. Yeah. You know, what's the line?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Boston pulled the mother fucking emergency break. Boston pulled the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: mother fucking emergency break. Yeah. Boston, pull the motherfucking emergency brake! Boston,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: pull the motherfucking emergency brake! So he'll go over and
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: over and over, and then he starts laughing his ass off.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And Denzel Washington got a kick out of it. He's like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shout me out, the great Denzel, you know? There's another goat.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: And he was like, Nick Totoro, ladies and gentlemen! But
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Spike is just like that. He's so... He has his
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: own little, you know, whatever you call it, into, you know...
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He has his own things
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that he does. He's unique. You know it's... He likes
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to fuck with you a little bit too. Don't they all? Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: This is a good point. When you and me were
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: on television, network television, everybody knew who we were. They knew.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It mattered. Now you got a thousand shows, a thousand channels.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know who these people are. I wouldn't know
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: them Unless, you know, I'm really watching that show. They'll
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: be like, this guy's on a hit show. This guy's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: working for 18 years. Or whatever. And I'm like, who?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I never heard of him. I don't know who he is.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, when you were on television,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: they knew who you were. Me too. I wasn't even
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the lead. But they knew Nick Totoro. They knew Jaleel White.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You had an identity. You had a name. Because now
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it's so flooded and watered down, right? I don't know
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: who any of these... I know they work, but I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you who they are. I told it to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a guy one time. He was like, this guy's been
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: on a show or something like that. And I was like,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: what show? I go, you're on a show I heard?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I interrogated the guy. And... I was like, well, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: never saw it, you know? I mean, you know, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be offensive, but I'm just saying, like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it was a big deal being on television.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's because, though, we were all watching the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: same thing at the same time, and.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: We had a smaller selection. Right.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So, you know, now that we have niche programming, you
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: got everything from YouTube to primetime.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: To, you know. But you know what I mean, right? Yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: just streamers. Exactly.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: You have so many darn choices that, You need everybody's
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: eyeballs on something at once in order to make that
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: become a star.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Right. You see what I'm saying? So I've watched people
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that give great performances all the time. No, I do.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, but the person's not a star. Well,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know them.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Literally, like two days later, I can't even tell you
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: the name of the person that gave that performance that
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless maybe there's one guy. Like, I just watched
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a show, Friends and Neighbors. It was a good show.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: with Jon Hamm. Yeah, I know the show. And Jon Hamm,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I know who he is. He's good. But the rest
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of these dudes on the show? You don't know them
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: by name? I don't know who they are. They're all good.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that good work being done. There's good work.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I don't know who these people are.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But that's what I mean when we were talking about
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: how we met. Even these television shows now, they're all
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: like pretty faces. I don't know who to, you put
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: me on a fucking show, the world knows who I am.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I went to a game last night. I couldn't eat
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: a hot dog. People would bother me. All baseball people
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: know me. I'm just saying. You know, I'm that guy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I have that fucking, you have that, we have that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: appeal on the street. We have that face. Yeah. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: know you from somewhere. Really? Yeah, I know you. I know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I get that. I go, I get it. My favorite
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is that, where do I know you from? Where do
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I know you from? Is this how we're going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: start this? Where do I know you from? Let me
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: ask you another question. How was the transition from being
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a kid actor and a kid star into being an adult?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Was that hard? I mean, I've worked with Ricky Schroeder.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I've worked with people that were stars. So I've always wondered.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Look at now. You grew up. You were a thin
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: little kid. Now you're a big, zesty, strong man. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: would hope so. I'm zesty. Well, hold on. Are you
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: sure you know what zesty means? Yeah. Well, I don't
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: think that was the right word. Zesty? Did you say
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: zesty or sexy? Sexy.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: All right, I want to make sure we're getting our
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: words right here. Zesty ain't sexy. I meant to say sexy.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: It came out as zesty. No, but I'm curious because
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: people that will.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I performed a little bit in a couple
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: of musicals and that, but I wasn't a professional actor
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: as a young kid, as a young guy. And then
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: when all that happened and then it ends, it's not
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: always an easy transition. Yeah, you know, it's... Right? But
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Everybody's journey. At least you seem grounded
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and not whacked out. Well... There's a lot of kids,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they fucking lost their mind. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: No, the common denominator there is always parents. You know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: luckily I had a great relationship with my parents. They
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: were pretty overbearing at times, but thank God they were, actually.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: They were?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I always had a curfew. They were much
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: more involved in my education.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Did you go to college? Yeah, I went to UCLA. Oh,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you did? Yeah. Damn.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: He said, this nigga got a degree.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we get those, man. No, I hate, man.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't say it like that. I didn't get the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: card to use that name. That shit was funny. That'll
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: go viral. That's a viral moment, Jaleel.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Those were just my family values. You know
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? When I looked at the Huxtables, that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: was my family. My dad was a doctor. I didn't
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: have the siblings. But as far as the values were
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: concerned and the things that Cliff and Claire cared about
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: with their kids, I'm like, oh, man, that's my mom. Oh,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: that's my dad. That was what it was for me.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: So I think it all just comes down to branding.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And you don't know what you don't know until you know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So when you're a child actor, if you become famous
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: too soon when you're a kid, you're going to carry
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that label. But the reality of it is, everybody that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: you like was a child actor.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio was a child actor. Tobey Maguire was a
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: child actor. They all started when they were young. It's
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: just that they got their hits when they were young adults.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: And so when you get your hit when you're young adults,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: young adult, it helps you stay away from that tag.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: But for me, I'm just really, it was, anytime, first
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: of all, anytime you leave a show, that's been on
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: the air for a long time, it's going to be
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: a hell of a transition for you no matter who
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Right. I don't care whether you're an adult or whether
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you're a child. I agree with that. It's going to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: be a transition. I agree with that. You know, you've been...
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: you've been conditioned to do this.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Job repetitively, you've gotten good at it, you're getting a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: certain amount of pay for it, then all of a
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: sudden it's, hey, good luck, and you're thrown kind of
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: out there to the wolves, and now you're back doing
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: auditions against people who are hungry, they're lean, they're ready,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: they're good. And then sometimes you're going to get people
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to say, well, you know, Nick Turturro or Jaleel White, man,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: they did a great job in that audition, but you
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: know what? I actually think they might overshadow the stars,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: so we can't hire them.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: That happens. You know that happens. I already said that before. Exactly.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Where you were the guy for a role, but the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: star of the project, who wasn't really a star as
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: far as everybody else is concerned yet, but the network
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: is designating this person a star.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And they don't want someone... They don't want somebody
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to come along and outshine them. Somebody told me that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: He said, you should have your own show. I said,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a job, bro. Trying to get
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a job. He goes, no, but you're way more... You know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: nothing against the girl, whoever was the lead. She was like,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you just, I think you're too dynamic.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: That happens sometimes. You know, that happens sometimes where, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I love being on a set.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Where the lead is the lead. And not necessarily because
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: they're good looking or got great hair or something stupid
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like that. Because that's a hard job.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean the lead is the lead because
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: their character is multi-dimensional and they can hold it down.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Like when I worked with Hugh Laurie on House, that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: was probably one of my most enjoyable times working with
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: somebody who was the lead.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I found him to be very....
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: He was very giving in the rehearsal process.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: He could handle it, being the lead. Exactly. And you
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: felt in his performances with people, I was like, okay,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: this dude is the lead of this show. And you
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: kind of follow that person. They set the tone. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: we had Dennis Fonz and David, and then Jimmy Smits
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: came in, who was also another good lead. And a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: good guy. Good lead, good dude. And you could go
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to him and But you want that in a lead.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: You want that kind of presence, that kind of person.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: And you go, yeah, he's a good guy. And we're
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: following him. Let's jump on that train. Because everybody's got
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: to do their part. Everybody has their own contribution to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a great oiled machine. But without the lead, it can't work.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: So the lead really has to be able to command
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: everybody's respect without being a jackass about it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Just doing it with their work and their work ethic.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. People don't realize what that is.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And it's not easy to be a lead. I so
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: much would rather be a supporting guy. I would. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: had a couple of pilots almost got on the air.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of stress. And I'm not saying
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: one of them should have got on the air. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be the lead. It's just that I
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: developed a couple of sitcoms. It was some of the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: most fun I ever had in my life. But stressful.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: For me.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I don't really care whether it's a lead or supporting.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: What I care is that I'm getting a chance to
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: make a contribution. Because you don't want to be the
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: lead in something that sucks. Because now it's like, well,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I can only do so much with this material.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Right. It's like, yeah, but your ass is going on
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a poster. Right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: So I've been there too where you're trying to uplift
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: some material that can only be uplifted so far. Exactly.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: So in those circumstances, I'm happy to be a supporting.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Actor and put him on a poster for this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Do you know, do
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know like when you read a script, like, within
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: 10 pages, 20 pages. Oh, man. If this is something
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that you like, don't like, or you don't like. I mean, like,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it's funny because, like, scripts, man, there could be great
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: scripts and they fall flat. Maybe they weren't executed right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Then there's other scripts that you go, even when I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: read NYPD Blue, I was young. I didn't get it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I was like... So I love scripts. But it's debatable
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: about scripts. I love scripts. Like, I started falling in
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: love with writing... when I was a late teen on
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the show, to be quite honest. And when did you write? Yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I actually wrote two episodes of our show.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: What I didn't understand is that when you write on
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: the show that you're starring on, nobody in the industry
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: respects that you wrote. So you have to go write
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: on something else in order to earn your stripes as
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: a writer. So I wrote two episodes of my own show,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and I really did. And did the beat sheets, worked
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: with the writers in the writer's room, everything. And those
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: were the two highest rated episodes for each respective year.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: We had Grandma Ma on the show, Larry Johnson, that
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: is Grandma Ma character. And we had an episode with
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a new addition on the show. And both of those
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: were my episodes. So I fell in love with writing
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: back then in a major way. And so I started
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: getting to the point where I could read a script
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, OK, this is special. And I'll never
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: forget an attorney friend of mine. He slipped me a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: script and I read it in one night. And you
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: know what that means to start a script at like
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: 10 o'clock at night and you can't put it down.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, it's 1.30 in the morning
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and you're done with the script. And I'm really going
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: through it page by page. And I call him in
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the morning and I say, hey, man, I don't know
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: how this thing is going to get cast. But there's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: two roles in here that are kind of speaking to me.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, that's why I sent it to you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You know, if it gets down to it, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I'd like to submit you. And I'm like, I.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Don't know what it is, but I think somebody's going
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: to win something. I remember I told him that. Really?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I said, I think somebody's going to win something. And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this was a lawyer friend? This was a lawyer friend
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of mine. I don't want to put his name out there.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But he slipped me the script. And he was a
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: legit friend. He was like, Jay, there might be something
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in here for you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Did it get made? Did it get made? It was Crash. Wow.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It was Crash. The movie Crash? It was Crash. And
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the role went to Luda. and Ludacris. The role went
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: to Ludacris. Damn.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I never got a chance to audition for it at
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: all because the politics of it all, Luda was a
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: CAA client.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: And so really that was Don Cheadle and.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock's production. That was their production. Don Cheadle was
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: a driving force behind that. I've never spoken to Don
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: about it. I was right there in the cut just
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: waiting to jump out.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Just be like, come on, man. Just give me an audition.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Just give me an audition.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: But once it really got going, the production got going,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: then CAA stepped in and did what they do with packaging,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and so I never got a chance to audition for it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But I still look at that as a positive because
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I was able to read a script and use my
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: own imagination and just knew immediately, oh, somebody's winning something
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: for this. I didn't know it was going to win
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Best Picture, but I knew somebody was winning something for me.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman Yeah, you knew it was special. Rob Markman Exactly,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I knew it was special.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: So I had really learned enough about what makes a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: good script to have recognized that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And shoot, I was probably in my early 20s at
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I was really excited about the audition, the chance of
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: getting the chance to audition, but it didn't happen.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: It is what it is. Rob Markman Yeah, but listen,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: at least you know you recognized something that was good
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and that turned out to be good. It doesn't always...
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: That doesn't always play out, you know, always. Because sometimes
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: a good script, sometimes they fuck it up. Or, you know,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes. What I liked about it, it was
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: an ensemble.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I loved that it had all these different pickups.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, where Tony Danza was in it. And I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: was like, I knew if I just handled my character,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: just focused on my character, you know, that I wouldn't
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: pull you out of the story. See, to me, that's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: what good acting is. Good acting is, don't pull me
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: out of the story.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: If I'm watching this story, I can't now start focusing
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: on what you aren't. You know what I'm saying?
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: And I won't say any names because sometimes you can
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: be watching something and you'll be like, yo, man, every
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: time the camera cusses at this fool, I'm out of
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the story now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: He's taking me out. He's taking me out of the story.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck this guy. Exactly. I just saw a
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: movie like that. I mean, I saw it. I wouldn't
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: want to name it. Exactly, but it's a thing between us.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he's annoying me. He's annoying me. He's taking
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: me out of the movie. I'm trying to watch the movie.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to watch my brother, and some guy's annoying me.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, take him out of the equation. I
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to see it. We don't want to see
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: You know, as much as I love these kind of conversations,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: but really, some of this kind of stuff, man, is like,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: High level secrecy.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: That's right. We see what we can see because we've
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: been at it for so long. Because we've been there
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: a long time. And you can't give up all your
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: tools of what you see. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: That's why I try to tell them sometimes things that
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you only would know by experience. You're sharp. You're smart.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: But you haven't lived what I lived. Exactly. So you
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: don't know. I can see shit that I may not
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: always listen to myself, but I could see it. I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: did the movie Dreamgirls. You were in Dreamgirls? Yeah, I
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: was in Dreamgirls. Like I said, we got a lot
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: in common, brother. We just work. We'd be good together.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Me and you. Yeah, we'd be good. I'd couple her
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: some shit. But I was in the movie Dreamgirls, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I was on the set for one day. And I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: knew I was like, same thing. Somebody going to win
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: something from this. Yeah, you knew it. Right?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And it was just a feeling that I had. It
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: was the first time that I had been on a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: set and all the department heads were stars.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm talking about costumes, cinematographer. All these people were nominated.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'd never been on a set before where the department
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: heads were stars.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And that's a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: When all these other people are stars. Yeah, I went
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: in the costumes and I'm like, I just wanted to
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: see what Eddie was wearing. I just wanted to see,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and I can just tell. That's when you're
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in something top notch. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: You got top flight people, not only the director, the
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: script supervisor. The script supervisor's a star. The AD's a star.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Reedy's an old star, this guy.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: They've worked on all your favorite movies.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: These people, they've been around the block a lot. So,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're on a set like that, too,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you don't, you want to pull your weight. You kind
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: of feel the pressure, too. You want to do your thing.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: You want to do your thing. You want to do
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: your thing. And what's weird is.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: About acting here, too, is when When you're not the lead,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: you have to nail every take.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because your take doesn't matter. Exactly. The lead's best
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: take is what matters. That's right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: So if they do the wide three times, you better
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: nail all three.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Because they're really only looking for the lead's best performance,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: not yours.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So you've got to come in... and knock that sucker
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: out of the park. It's like pinch hitting. Exactly. When
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a guy gets up, you're pinch hitting, man. Exactly. Yeah,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: do your job. Like last night, Goldschmidt got up. He
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: had to get his bat on the ball, and he
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: fucking did. He fouled off a bunch of pitches, and
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: then he fought, fought it. Did what he had to do.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Get that RBI fly ball, you know.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: That was the difference between sitcom and single camera shooting
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that I had to learn in my 20s in particular,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: and the gamesmanship of that. You had certain stars that
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even stand in for coverage.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I'm saying? I got that. And
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: most people don't know what that is.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So that means- You're not
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: acting with the guy. You're not acting with the guy.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I'm acting with the script supervisor. I'm not acting with the-
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: But when you're showing your character, you know, it's like...
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And that changes, that can easily change a performance. Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Because you're not getting the real energy that's coming from
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: that person.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But you have to stand in. But you've got to
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: stay in there. Sure. For the lead, right? Same man
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: even did that a few times. Hey, Nick, I'm going
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: to step out. You mind? I'm like... It's okay, Adam.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: It's okay. I don't want Sandler because it's Adam. But
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck. I mean, I want Sandler to go.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: do it without him. But Adam wears so many hats, man.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Because Adam is like, you know, running. It's his movie. Dog,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: he wears so many hats. And he'll go off. He
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: wants to watch you.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: He wants to watch the performance rather than that. And
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's cool. And then he's giggling and laughing.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: He just killed it. I know without you, you know,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: but I wish you were there. But not every scene
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: is set up that way.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: You know, there's certain scenes where the interaction is needed.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And then there's other scenes where you can cheat. So
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: since this is delivering happiness, my man. Yes. What brings
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you happiness? What brings me happiness, man? You can name
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: me a couple of things, like having a slice of pizza,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: making love with your girl, your wife. Yeah, you got
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: to calm down. You got to relax. You know? You
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: got to relax. A massage. Not from you. You got
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: to relax. Not from me. What makes me happy? What
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: makes you happy?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think the number one thing that makes me happy
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: at this point in my life is my family being happy.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Good answer. When my daughter and my wife are at
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: their happiest. When my mother is smiling. How long have
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you been married? I've been married for three years.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: When my mother is smiling. just all the ladies pretty
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: much even in my life. When I get to see
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: my dad enjoying an elevated day, that kind of is
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like everyday life for me, but maybe not necessarily everyday
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: life for him. Because my dad's still a dentist. He
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: still practices every day. That makes me happy.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Another thing that makes me
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: happy is a happy set. I love being....
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I love when I'm hosting my game show, that I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: love seeing our crew happy, in a good mood, having
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: good food. A lot of winners maybe that day. We'll
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: go get drinks afterwards. I even rented out a car
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: racing spot for me and a bunch of the crew guys.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: It was like, come on, let's go hit this spot.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I love camaraderie between talent and the crew. I think that...
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: ends up on the screen. It really does when that happens.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: So I love a happy set and being a guy
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that can create a happy set.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I love my family being happy. What else makes me happy?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Good food. But I mean top notch. Good food. Quality.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Look at all that pepperoni. That's a lot of pepperoni.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Because the difference between good food and bad food It
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: really sucks.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: And we have also so much over-processed food in our country.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: It's really unfortunate. It costs a lot of money to
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: get the best food.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I'm saying? So when I pay
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: that extra bit of money so that I got.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: The best food, you know, we don't even buy our bread.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: My wife doesn't even buy our bread from the store anymore.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: We know a lady who's a bread maker.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Nice. And she just makes bread, like sourdough, like just
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: good bread. Dip it in olive oil. Yes, and now
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: we're like addicted to it. Like, that's wild. Like, we're
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: off buying bread from stores. Isn't that crazy how the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: simple little things are like your family, your wife, good bread,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you know, good people. Those simple things, in the end,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: those are the things that really matter. You know, the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: material things, they don't really, they don't last. The last
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: thing I like, I like a good hard laugh.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Like an honest one, not a fake one, you know
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: No, a real laugh. Like you see that dude sitting there?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: He makes me laugh. I can see that. He made
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: me laugh. I can't say what he said last night.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: He has these crazy catchphrases. And he had me giggling
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: my ass. Then he laughed too. He went, ah! And
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, but when you really laugh, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: you really laugh. I saw this Billy Crystal clip the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: other day. He did. He was talking about Robert De Niro,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: but it was so fucking funny the way he did
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: this thing with Robert De Niro meeting a Yankees guy,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: David Wells. He goes, who's the fat guy? Oh, I
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: know Robert Wells. Yeah, and he goes, who's, De Niro goes,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: who's the fat guy? Who's the fat guy? He goes,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: it's David Wells. He goes, now Bob De Niro knows
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: nothing about, you know, and he's like, you know, it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: just funny because he doesn't understand baseball. All right. And
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: then he wanted him to sign a ball. He goes,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: he would like you to sign a ball, Bob. You
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: mean for the fat guy? He goes, no, for David Wells.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: He's calling him the fat guy. And Billy Crystal's doing this.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: It's so funny. And then he goes, he wants you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to say, you're the boss, you're the boss, you're the boss.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: His favorite movie was Raging Bull. In the movie, he goes,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I'm the boss, I'm the boss. He goes, he wants
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: me to say, why is that? He goes, because it's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: from Raging Bull. He goes, but I'm the boss, I'm
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the boss, I'm the boss. But then he signed the book.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: But it's so fucking funny. The way he executed it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Do you ever feel bad when people come up to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: you and they quote you your lines from a movie
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: and you don't remember the lines yourself?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes people will come up to me and be like, man,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: you said this, this, and that.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, whore. I mean, sometimes they got it wrong.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, people have real photographic memories with the stuff
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: that we say on screen. And you know, for real,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I was talking about this with Raven Samoa one time.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: She was just like, Jay, I can't recall any of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: this stuff. I said, she's like, my short-term memory is shot.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: It's bad.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Like, I can remember what I need to remember for
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: in the moment.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. But once I'm off the set, it's gone.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: It's gone. Yeah, I'm fried. It's vapor. Yeah, I'm fried.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I remember little things, you know, even my career. I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: don't remember a lot. Most of it is a blur. Right.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot. I remember baseball. Huh? Because baseball's
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  Speaker 1: in my body. It's in your body. It's in my body.
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  Speaker 1: My brother said that. Yeah, I was doing a project
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  Speaker 1: with him. He goes, he had all this hard dialogue
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  Speaker 1: in Rome. Hard. I'm like, I was in anxiety watching him.
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  Speaker 1: I said, how are you remembering? What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: A page and a half? What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Two pages? What are we talking about? Yes. Yes, but
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  Speaker 1: hard shit. That's that James Spader shit. No, but that's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you got to be classically trained. I couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But I said, how are you remembering it? And he goes,
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  Speaker 1: it's in my body, Nicholas. In my body. I said... Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, this guy's wacky. Is it
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  Speaker 1: in my body? And then I figured it out. When
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  Speaker 1: you've been living with something for a long time, it's
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  Speaker 1: so ingrained that it becomes, it's no more, see, I
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  Speaker 1: remember the lines and then they come in and go
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  Speaker 1: right out. But when you've been living with it your
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  Speaker 1: whole life, it's in your body. That's a beautiful place.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great place to be. To be when you're acting.
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  Speaker 2: Because I know exactly what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, it's a zone. And I've been
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: in a zone a couple of times in my career.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I've been in a zone. And anyway, I like that answer.
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  Speaker 1: Delivering happiness. That's what's up, baby. Delivering happiness by the pie. Hey, man.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: That'd be a kick to come on his show.