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5 Things We Learned From Ohio State's Win Over Indiana · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Sunday, November twenty fourth.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Tom Moore. We're only doing one.
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Speaker 3: Today, Kevin Noon.
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Speaker 2: The game against Michigan in six days.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to get a chance to
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Speaker 1: talk about the game against Michigan, not on this show.
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Speaker 1: There'll be plenty of time to talk about that later on.
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Speaker 1: If you want to hear Tony Gerdaman and I talk
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Speaker 1: about it, we did it on the postgame show. That
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Speaker 1: took towards the end of the show, so you can
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Speaker 1: get a little bit of.
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Speaker 2: Snippet of that.
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Speaker 1: But man, Oman, is there a lot to talk about
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Speaker 1: With the Ohio State beating Indiana thirty eight fifteen.
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Speaker 2: Kind of a weird score, kind of a weird end
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Speaker 2: to the game.
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Speaker 1: Indiana punched in a touchdown, went for two, tried an
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Speaker 1: onside kick under two minutes left. Ryan Day didn't seem
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Speaker 1: to take that all that well. Trivian Henderson runs down
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Speaker 1: the field, slides at the one, and you think, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna take a knee and get out of here. Nope,
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Speaker 1: they punch in one more touchdown to make it thirty
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Speaker 1: eight fifteen.
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Speaker 2: That was as.
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Speaker 1: Thorough a butt kicking as you've seen in all three
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Speaker 1: phases of the game. In a game like that top
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Speaker 1: five matchup, that's his thorough butt kicking in all three
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Speaker 1: phases of the game as I can remember. Since I mean,
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Speaker 1: what the the.
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin Big Ten Championship game.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't quite that bad, and that was
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Speaker 1: not a top five Wisconsin team, but it has been
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Speaker 1: a while since Ohio State has done that to a
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Speaker 1: team with a number that small next to its name.
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Speaker 3: You look at their top five matchups. Oregon was kind
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Speaker 3: of a back and forth type of game. Hold on
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Speaker 3: for dear life. Not able to do that. You go
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Speaker 3: to Penn State. That was a close game throughout this
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Speaker 3: one outside of Ohio State, and it's patented's slow start
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Speaker 3: excuse me, slow start really dominated until that final drive
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Speaker 3: for Indiana, when you know, I think Ohio State would
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Speaker 3: loved to hold them to seven. I mean, obviously proves
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Speaker 3: a point a team coming in leading the nation and
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Speaker 3: scoring everything else that doesn't necessarily happen. But Ohio State
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Speaker 3: really held Indiana to just about nothing offensively and then defensively.
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Speaker 3: Ohio State, once it kind of figured out what it
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Speaker 3: needed to do, really was able to move the ball
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Speaker 3: and then obviously special teams with a with a pump
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Speaker 3: block with a pump return. I mean it was it
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Speaker 3: was a very thorough type of game. We'll see what
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Speaker 3: the Committee thinks about it. Obviously it's going to be
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Speaker 3: really hard to move up from two to one. But
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Speaker 3: could some people sit there and question, you know, their
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Speaker 3: first place vote.
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Speaker 1: Well, at this point that almost doesn't matter, because if
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Speaker 1: Ohio State handles a business against Michigan, they get another shot.
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Speaker 3: At or if they win.
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Speaker 2: That, you're already a head of Texas.
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Speaker 1: Texas as of the time we're recording, this is still
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Speaker 1: pull pulling away. They're pulling away from Kentucky twenty four
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Speaker 1: to seven right now early in the second quarter. That
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Speaker 1: can't be right, That must be the third quarter. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: you know, by the time you listen to this, you
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Speaker 1: know what happened with Texas. Either way, you know, the
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Speaker 1: state's win over Indiana is going to probably hold more
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Speaker 1: water with the Committee than Texas's win over Kentucky. And
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Speaker 1: Texas has to go play Texas anythin next week. We'll
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Speaker 1: see how that one goes. But right now, Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: now you get two top five wins one on the road,
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Speaker 1: you have the number one team in the nation, you
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Speaker 1: went to their place, you lost by one.
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Speaker 3: I would be.
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Speaker 1: Hard pressed to if the Big Ten championshipm is close
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Speaker 1: and Ohio State loses and it's close, I'd be hard
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Speaker 1: pressed to think that they wouldn't be the five seed.
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Speaker 1: And if they win, I'd be hard pressed to think
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Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be the one seed.
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Speaker 3: No, that makes a lot of sense because the Big
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Speaker 3: Ten champion is probably going to be the one seed
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Speaker 3: as the SEC doesn't have anybody that wants to do this,
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Speaker 3: and you know, forget about the other conferences, So that's
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Speaker 3: what's going to be there, and then the five seed
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Speaker 3: is going to be your number two Big Ten or
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Speaker 3: SEC team. And again, these aren't things that are dictated
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Speaker 3: by the committee. These are things that are dictated by logic.
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Speaker 3: So you're I mean, yeah, it's the one or the five.
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Speaker 3: And you can sit there and talk about the finer
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Speaker 3: points of being the one versus the five and how
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Speaker 3: matchups are gonna work and everything else, but you know
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Speaker 3: the reality is it's a good problem to have.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the good problems that
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Speaker 1: Ohio State had on Saturday. Let's start with the defense.
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Speaker 1: Indiana goes eleven plays for seventy yards on the opening drive.
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Speaker 1: After that, so seventy yards in the opening drive after
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Speaker 1: that eight yards negative seven yards, negative four yards, negative
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Speaker 1: two yards, two yards, eight yards, thirty two yards that one,
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Speaker 1: and in a punt negative eleven yards and then fifteen
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Speaker 1: plays seventy five yards on a drive that started with
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Speaker 1: nine minutes left in the game, and it took seven
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Speaker 1: minutes off the clock when Indiana was still down to
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Speaker 1: you know, three scores at that point.
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Speaker 2: That was Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: You could see Ohio State kind of gone, Okay, I mean,
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Speaker 1: would you like to run out the clock for US? Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's fine, and yeah, you prob I'm sure they wanted
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Speaker 1: to hold Indiana without another touchdown. But that was that
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Speaker 1: very much felt to me like Indiana going, let's just
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Speaker 1: make this respectable. They were not in a big and
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Speaker 1: they you know, Ohio State's defense for a huge chunk
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Speaker 1: of the game.
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Speaker 2: Every time Nathan broke Curtis Rourke.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, too many years of Ohio University football in my brain,
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Speaker 1: Curtis Worke.
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Speaker 2: Every time Curtis Rourke.
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Speaker 1: Stepped back to pass, it was just he was just
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Speaker 1: under assault immediately.
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Speaker 3: It was a little bit of a slow start for
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Speaker 3: Ohio State's defense, but it seems that Jim Knowles, the technician,
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Speaker 3: was able to make some dial adjustments and everything else.
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Speaker 3: And Cody Simon had himself a tremendous game. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there were a lot of defensive players that were able
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Speaker 3: to put up some numbers, but nobody like Cody Simon.
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Speaker 3: He was just all over Rourke. I mean throughout the game.
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Speaker 3: I think at some points, I mean I have to
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Speaker 3: give Rourke credit for continuing on because he was starting
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Speaker 3: to get abused to a point that was just really uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: But Ohio State's defense answered the call. And Indiana's defense
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Speaker 3: or offense is different than what we're going to see
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Speaker 3: from Michigan next week. But I think coming in with
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Speaker 3: a good feeling, I mean, you can sit there and
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Speaker 3: you can look at the Northwestern game, well, well, no,
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Speaker 3: Northwestern ain't no good. I mean that's fine, I mean,
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Speaker 3: as being evidenced by their game against Michigan. But Indiana
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Speaker 3: has a good or has a good offense, and you know,
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Speaker 3: you sit there and you have those successes, you can
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Speaker 3: build off of that, and you know, You're gonna have
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Speaker 3: to be able to stop Kleoud Mullings. You're gonna have
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Speaker 3: to be able to stop a lot of dink and
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Speaker 3: dunks to Colston Loveland and some you know, just a
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Speaker 3: lot of little short passes in the next game. We'll
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Speaker 3: get into that as this week goes on. But I'm
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Speaker 3: a big, you know, a big supporter of having those
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Speaker 3: good feelings. I mean, obviously, if Ohio State loses this game,
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's they're no good feelings, but you know
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Speaker 3: that's not where we're at.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the defense, I mean you've mentioned Cody Simon
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Speaker 1: ten tackles, two and a half sacks, Sunny Styles eight tackles,
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Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer a sack and a half, JG Twu Moloau
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Speaker 1: a sack.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it just was they were just all over
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Speaker 2: the place.
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Speaker 1: That was that was as dominating a defensive performance against
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Speaker 1: a good statistically a good offense. You know, it was
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Speaker 1: very easy to look at the Purdue game in the
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Speaker 1: Northwestern game and go yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah, But
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Speaker 1: but this was this is an offense that had really
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Speaker 1: been having its way with pretty much everyone they played
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Speaker 1: all season long, and Ohio State was just dominant after
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Speaker 1: that first drive. Ohio State was also very efficient in
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Speaker 1: the run game, nothing exciting before the last week during
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Speaker 1: one of the shows, I said to Tony Gerderman, if
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Speaker 1: they can run for four yards to carry, I think
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Speaker 1: that's enough for them to win. They finished with four
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Speaker 1: point zero yards per carry. Quinn John Judkins fourteen carries
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Speaker 1: thirty six yards long of eight. It was nothing exciting,
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Speaker 1: but there was just kind of thud, thud, thud thud.
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Speaker 1: They've sort of Judkins and Henderson have sort of turned
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Speaker 1: into a little bit of a thunder and lightning thing
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Speaker 1: where Judkins is just kind of pounding and pounding and pounding,
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Speaker 1: and then Henderson comes in nine carries sixty eight yards
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Speaker 1: long of thirty nine, so you know, he was not
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Speaker 1: He ended up with seven point six yards per cary,
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Speaker 1: but there was a thirty nine yarder right at the
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Speaker 1: end that sort of skewed that number a little bit,
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Speaker 1: but even so, he was around four.
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Speaker 2: Yards to carry before that.
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Speaker 1: It was just it was a very efficient run game,
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Speaker 1: which then opened things up in the past.
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Speaker 3: Game in Indiana's very good against the run. One of
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Speaker 3: one of my predictions was that Ohio State would run
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Speaker 3: for a buck and a quarter. I was ten yards
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Speaker 3: off of that point, but as Tom had mentioned, a
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Speaker 3: thirty nine yarder in the final minute of the game,
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Speaker 3: kind of you know, pump those numbers up a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But you know, we're not seeing the home runs that
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Speaker 3: we saw earlier in the season. But that's what happens
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Speaker 3: when you leave non conference and you get into conference play,
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Speaker 3: you get into the Big Ten, which you know there
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Speaker 3: are going to be a lot of people are going
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Speaker 3: to say negative this and negative that, but there's pretty
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Speaker 3: good run defenses in the conference. And you know, what
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Speaker 3: they're getting out of Henderson, what they're getting out of
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Speaker 3: Judkins is just what the doctor ordered. We didn't necessarily
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Speaker 3: see a lot of Will Howard run, which you know,
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Speaker 3: I think is fine. I mean, obviously Ohio State wins
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Speaker 3: this game by twenty three. You didn't need to see it.
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Speaker 3: Is that going to be different next week? Well, I
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Speaker 3: guess we're going to have to wait and see at
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Speaker 3: that point. But you know, I think the one run
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Speaker 3: thing that I will take out of it as a
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Speaker 3: negative as Ohio State on a on a on a
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Speaker 3: fourth and I think it was a fourth and goal
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Speaker 3: from or no, they could have gone a first on
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Speaker 3: the one, Yeah, and they were on the three and
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Speaker 3: they couldn't they couldn't punch it in. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: still still some of those issues, but anything that happens
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Speaker 3: in the first quarter you just kind of have to
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Speaker 3: write off. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that Will Howard played a top five team.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we talk all the time about the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know, you're playing Western Michigan, you're not going
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Speaker 1: to run Will Howard. But boy, if it's a top
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Speaker 1: five matchup, you're boy, you're really going to need a
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Speaker 1: lean on him, and they didn't.
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Speaker 2: They didn't need to lean on him at all in
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Speaker 2: the run game.
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Speaker 1: In the past game twenty two to twenty six, two
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Speaker 1: hundred and one yards, two touchdowns in a interception, eighty
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Speaker 1: five percent completion. He threw the ball to a Mecca
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Speaker 1: Abuka seven times. A Mecca Abuka had seven catches eighty yards.
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Speaker 1: He threw the ball four times to Carnell Tate four catches,
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Speaker 1: sixty eight yards. He threw the ball three times the
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Speaker 1: Treviaon Henderson three catches. The only person who didn't was
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith five targets, three catches for him. But you know,
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Speaker 1: if you're completing eighty five percent of your passes.
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Speaker 2: That's going to keep you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're thinking Duncan behind the line of scrimmage,
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Speaker 1: you would be hard pressed to not stay on schedule
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Speaker 1: with that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're moving the chains. And that was a concern
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Speaker 3: of mine with the loss of Seth my Blochlan was
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Speaker 3: that Ohio State might get a little too cute, try
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Speaker 3: and test the middle a little too much in the
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Speaker 3: run game and be in third and eight, third and
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Speaker 3: nine a lot. And you know, after the first series,
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Speaker 3: which didn't go anywhere for Ohio State, they kind of
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Speaker 3: got away from that. So they were able to move
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Speaker 3: the chains. They were able to stay ahead of schedule.
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Speaker 3: And that's why Ohio States drives all, you know, largely
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Speaker 3: seemed to have a positive outcome.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they and it was you know Ohio State's drives.
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Speaker 1: I'll pull them up right now. Punt on the first
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Speaker 1: drive three plays eight yards, just couldn't get it go
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Speaker 1: on starting off fifteen plays seventy three yards. That was
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Speaker 1: the one that ended on downs inside the five and
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Speaker 1: then touchdown. Then an interception on a tipped reflected to
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Speaker 1: pass from Johanni Thurman, a touchdown, touchdown, a punt in
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Speaker 1: the third quarter and then a field goal and a touchdown.
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Speaker 3: And Wan had to kick the field goal to see
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Speaker 3: if they could remember how to do it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well and they were at that point. It was
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Speaker 1: just that made it what thirty one to seven, and
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Speaker 1: it was just kind of okay, now you're up twenty
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Speaker 1: four points and you've just made it a little more difficult.
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Speaker 1: Now they need to kick. Now they need to go
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Speaker 1: for three three two point conversions, if you know, if
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Speaker 1: it got to that, it was just that was just
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Speaker 1: a very efficient, very effective, very thorough win for Ohio State,
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Speaker 1: a complete win in a way that we haven't necessarily
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Speaker 1: seen them do in some of these other big games.
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Speaker 2: You know, you go to Penn State and there's a
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Speaker 2: bunch of stuff to nitpick.
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Speaker 1: There was, you know, the first drive, the for the offense,
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Speaker 1: the first drive for the defense. Okay, the situation and
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Speaker 1: the goal line at one point, but really special teams.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that, there's the bad snap and they forced
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Speaker 1: a turnover there. Caleb Downs returns a punt for the
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Speaker 1: first time in ten years, and one day a touchdown
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Speaker 1: return on a punt for Ohio State. That also was
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Speaker 1: against Indiana. That was Jalen Marshall. That also was the
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Speaker 1: week before Michigan, and so that was you know, that
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Speaker 1: was that was one that had been you know, sort
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Speaker 1: of felt like it was coming for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Finally got here. Now they turned the page to Michigan.
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Speaker 1: We will probably have we'll talk ourselves. I guess I
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Speaker 1: can't say we talk ourselves blue in the face this week.
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Speaker 3: Uh, don't don't wear any blue.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk, we'll talk.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk a bunch about that this week.
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Speaker 1: But just sort of early thoughts on the Michigan game
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Speaker 1: this year. It's almost a sandwich game in some ways.
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Speaker 1: You had a top five matchup here, Michigan gonna come in.
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Speaker 1: It appears six and five, and then the week after that,
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Speaker 1: you're if you handle business against Michigan, you're going to
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis to go take on number one Oregon for a
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Speaker 1: game that four years has been the game. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's literally the game and has been the game that
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Speaker 1: you know, for the last twelve months has been circled
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Speaker 1: on calendars inside the Woody Hayes Atlantic Center.
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Speaker 2: Because they have beaten Michigan in through their last three tries.
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Speaker 1: It's almost a little bit of a sandwich game, which
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Speaker 1: is just bizarre.
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Speaker 3: You just have to make sure that you are playing
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Speaker 3: the losses on the TV that you keep making sure
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Speaker 3: that the that the nerve is, you know, is still
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Speaker 3: a little raw. When you touch it, it hurts and
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Speaker 3: it jolts you. Because yeah, it's really easy to say
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Speaker 3: this team six and five and they you know, they
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Speaker 3: can't throw the ball and they largely forget to run
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Speaker 3: the ball at a lot of times and everything else.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I think Michigan is doing Ohio State
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a favor in it's uh, in
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Speaker 3: its game against Northwestern and putting up some points there. Hey,
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Speaker 3: you know, get your head out of the clouds. You know,
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Speaker 3: you've got to be ready for this type of game.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, it is a sandwich game. But it's what
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Speaker 3: happens when you get into November football and into December
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Speaker 3: and January, and you know we expand the playoffs anymore February.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's uh, it's it's it's a knucklebusting
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Speaker 3: time like every single week. Yeah, well we will.
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