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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on kredlind. It will be busy. It's certainly the
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Speaker 2: killing season, isn't it for state Liberal leaders? Mark Speakman
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Speaker 2: falling on his sword late this afternoon quitting as the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberal leader, will go live from New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Parliament for how this all played out? And
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Speaker 2: what of Kelly Sloane, the woman all but certain tomorrow
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Speaker 2: to take the top job. New Zealand now the latest
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Speaker 2: country to join a list of nations piping the brakes
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Speaker 2: on puberty blockers for children. I'll speak to a medical
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Speaker 2: expert and why it's time over time.
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Speaker 3: We do this here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Plus, the Prime Minister continues to obfuscate about the court
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Speaker 2: finding that there was no Brittany Higgins political cover up
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Speaker 2: by the former government, despite Labour's attempts to weaponize the
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Speaker 2: lie against Linda Reynolds. This cannot be left to rest.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that moment. And Chris Bowen might
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Speaker 2: not have got Australia. The cops some that he was chasing,
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Speaker 2: but he somehow ended up the President of Negotiations. Whatever
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Speaker 2: that means, you can bet it's going to cost you
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Speaker 2: many millions.
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Speaker 4: It would be great if Australia could have it all,
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Speaker 4: but we can't have it all.
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Speaker 2: As I said, will cross live to the new South
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Speaker 2: of West Parliament for what's been a very dramatic day
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But first, if there's one thing a
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister should not do, it's connive at a lie.
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Speaker 2: As you know, for months in twenty twenty one, senior
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Speaker 2: labor women in the Senate, the Mean Girls, accused Senator
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds of covering up a rape that's alleged to
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Speaker 2: have taken place inside her office.
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Speaker 3: And here they are.
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Speaker 1: Minister Reynolds does have a responsibility to explain her conduct,
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Speaker 1: both to Miss Higgins and also to the Senate.
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Speaker 5: Just for your information, I don't think you should hide
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Speaker 5: Miss Higgins by refusing to answer these questions.
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Speaker 1: Why has this minister so failed to meet her own standard?
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Speaker 1: Why is she continuing the cover up?
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Speaker 2: And that badgery, the relentlessness went on so much so
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds ended up in hospital. But we now know
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Speaker 2: because two judges have said so. After separate legal proceedings.
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Speaker 2: But Senator Linda Reynolds did nothing wrong, but she in
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Speaker 2: fact offered her former staff for Britney Higgins counseling, encouraged
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Speaker 2: her to go to the police, and sacked the alleged perpetrator,
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Speaker 2: Meaning that the Labor Party weaponized claims of a Reynolds
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Speaker 2: cover up, effectively destroying her political career, all in an
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Speaker 2: effort to try and bring down the Morrison government. And
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Speaker 2: all of this is now out in the public domain,
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Speaker 2: the political dealings between Labour women and the Higgins camp,
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Speaker 2: the secret texts and emails, the seemingly coordinated hits to
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Speaker 2: Reynolds's reputation, only because an earlier legal process forced out
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Speaker 2: this information, And so have Senators Wong and Gallagher now
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Speaker 2: apologize for weaponizing this lie against Reynolds. Have they suffered
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Speaker 2: any adverse consequences for exploiting this lie to advance their
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Speaker 2: own political careers?
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Speaker 3: Of course they haven't. Indeed, the opposite. It's true.
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Speaker 2: It's those headlines alleging a Morrison government cover up that
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Speaker 2: helped propel them into government and into two of the
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Speaker 2: most prominent positions on the new Labor Front Beach. Two
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Speaker 2: leading women of the left in the Prime Ministers in
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Speaker 2: a sanctum, and yesterday it was his turn to come
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Speaker 2: under scrutiny in a heated exchange with journalists. First he
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Speaker 2: tried to say that he didn't comment on legal matters,
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Speaker 2: even though this isn't a legal matter anymore it is
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Speaker 2: no longer before the courts. Then he refused to comment
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Speaker 2: on the failure of senior colleagues to do the right
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Speaker 2: thing and apologize, and finally tried to obfiscate the whole
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Speaker 2: issue away by making it about the rape which a
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Speaker 2: judge on the balance of probabilities has said did take place,
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Speaker 2: rather than the cover that labor alleged that a judge
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Speaker 2: has ruled most emphatically did not take place, and that
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Speaker 2: all of it, of course helped destroy the Morrison government.
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Speaker 6: Judges in the in the Supreme when the report what
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Speaker 6: I've now found and has known that it would cover
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Speaker 6: up with Britney Higgins rape, do you accept those minds?
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Speaker 7: Look kind of commenting on legal medice, but.
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Speaker 8: It's not i legal matter, that's not the current case.
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Speaker 8: It should the payout to Britney Higgins have been more
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Speaker 8: rigorous to protect the reputations of Linda Reynolds.
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Speaker 9: And Fiona Brown, those things are hand hands off from
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Speaker 9: the governor.
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Speaker 7: I had no role in that as Prime ministry, and.
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Speaker 8: Your senators, who led the charge of a Liberal Party cover.
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Speaker 10: Up over the Higgins case, apologize to the renoms.
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Speaker 7: Well that's not right. I don't accept that characterization.
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Speaker 3: What don't you accept?
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Speaker 7: I don't accept. I don't accept you accepted that. I
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Speaker 7: don't accept. I don't accept thatcharacterization. I accept that characterization.
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Speaker 9: A judge found that, on the basis of probability, a
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Speaker 9: rape occurred.
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Speaker 2: This is so typical of Anthonyolmine easy when under pressure,
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Speaker 2: he adopts his who me approaches if it's got nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with him, obviously it does.
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Speaker 3: On the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister's comments yesterday, Linda Reynolds has now put out a
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Speaker 2: statement saying, and I quote, putting aside his complete failure
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Speaker 2: to grasp the findings of two separate judgments of superior
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Speaker 2: courts of this country yesterday demonstrated either a complete lack
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Speaker 2: of understanding of his government's role in the settlement of
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Speaker 2: Miss Higgins's claim against me, or a blatant lie. And
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Speaker 2: of course, not only is he as Prime Minister the
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Speaker 2: man who stood by and watched this all and stood
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Speaker 2: to gain the most by the orchestrator takedown in Reynolds.
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Speaker 2: But back in twenty twenty one, he himself made much
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Speaker 2: the same false allegation that his mean girls were making
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Speaker 2: in the Senate. Here's an ABC report from February nineteen,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, with an our Prime Minister said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote, it's very clear that miss Higgins was made
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Speaker 2: to feel, according to her own account, was made to
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Speaker 2: feel that there would be consequences for her career if
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Speaker 2: she pursued the matter. Now, just because he's citing Higgins's
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Speaker 2: own story doesn't mean he is himself not owning as
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Speaker 2: he is and indeed amplifying the false allegation that Linda
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Speaker 2: Reynolds somehow tried to stop a rape victim telling her
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Speaker 2: story in order to protect the government, that a job
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Speaker 2: was threatened.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, in this whole.
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Speaker 2: Matter, the behavior of those who became senior ministers in
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Speaker 2: the current labor government absolutely stinks. First, Senators Wong and
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Speaker 2: Gallagher leapt on the Higgins story that she'd been supposedly
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Speaker 2: intimidated and threatened out of taking her allegations to the police.
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Speaker 2: Then they weaponized that against the Morrison government, with Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albinizi himself their willing accomplice. And finally, after they had
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Speaker 2: won office, thanks in part to the moral trashing that
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Speaker 2: they had unfairly handed out to Reynolds and the other
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Speaker 2: Higgins employer, Senator Manchalia Cash, so then Attorney General Mark
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Speaker 2: Drayfus will he abruptly closed out the compensation claim. Reynolds,
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Speaker 2: of course, was fighting hard on and gave away a
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Speaker 2: two and a half million dollar plus payment to Higgins,
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Speaker 2: money that, given my long long experience with government payouts
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Speaker 2: to staffers, has the real stench of hush money to it. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is where the opposition needs to keep probing. This
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Speaker 2: is where the government itself must come clean. Why did
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Speaker 2: Drayfus rush to take over and then settle this case
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Speaker 2: against Reynolds's objections. Reynolds was trying to protect the interests
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Speaker 2: of the Commonwealth and her own reputation. Drayfus instead couldn't
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Speaker 2: pay off Higgins fast enough, settling her claim in around
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours after mediation, and in a move I
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Speaker 2: find simply unprecedented. Blocking Linda Reynolds from participating in illegal
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Speaker 2: action involving her.
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Speaker 3: As I said, this was.
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Speaker 2: A two point four million dollar payment, something I have
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Speaker 2: never ever seen the like of.
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Speaker 3: Was it some kind of reward? If Senators Wong and
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Speaker 3: Gallagher had any real.
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Speaker 2: Concern for Higgins, they'd spare her more public controversy over
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Speaker 2: this case. Now all credit here to the Australian newspaper
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Speaker 2: and in particular to the columnist Janet Albrookson, for their
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Speaker 2: dog in pursuit of the truth. Linda Reynolds is a
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Speaker 2: former Army brigadier. She is now a retired senator and
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Speaker 2: she is owed at a minimum, an apology from these
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Speaker 2: women and the Prime Minister. We as taxpayers are owed
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Speaker 2: the truth about a multi million dollar payment to Higgins.
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Speaker 2: And if integrity means anything left in Australia in public life,
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Speaker 2: then the public deserves the resignations of both Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: and Caatie Gallagher. But I leave the final word with
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds herself, who has said the truth will surface,
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Speaker 2: the Australian public will be able to form their own
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Speaker 2: views about the transparency of the Labor Government's process after
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Speaker 2: seeing the exhibits for themselves when this matter goes to trial.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me what's happening in South America. The main conclusion
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Speaker 2: I have from Labour losing their bid to host the
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Speaker 2: two billion dollar COP thirty one Climate conference in Adelaide
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Speaker 2: is that Australia's dodged a bullet. It's money that will
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Speaker 2: no longer be wasted on a giant talk fest where
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Speaker 2: people whose emissions are very high will try and tell
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Speaker 2: the rest of us that our omissions should be very low.
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Speaker 2: What's more, Chris Bowen's duty is as the top president
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Speaker 2: of negotiations.
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Speaker 3: It's made up title, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Apparently that was the price of the deal to give
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Speaker 2: Turkey the hosting rights. Means that Bowen will somehow manage
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Speaker 2: the lead up to the conference, but I think this
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Speaker 2: should result in him standing down as Australias Climate Minister.
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Speaker 3: How can you do both?
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Speaker 2: Sadly, Anthony Albinezi has not drawn the conclusion I have
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Speaker 2: that Bowen's new global role is incompatible with his full
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Speaker 2: time job here at home.
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Speaker 9: You betty can, because action domestically is also about action globally, So.
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Speaker 2: Poor old taxpayse here in Australia will continue to fund
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's lifestyle as the minister but will also now
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Speaker 2: fund his non stop climate evangelism. A poor old Western world,
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Speaker 2: you're going to be inflicted with Bowen. He'll be out
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Speaker 2: there with his deluded message. That's somehow the pursuit of
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Speaker 2: zero emissions is going to produce some sort of global
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Speaker 2: green nirvana. That's total another fantasy. Even Bill Gates and
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Speaker 2: Tony Blair now admit that for his part, Bowen today
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Speaker 2: was even more full of himself than usual.
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Speaker 4: The COP is held in Turkia, but Australia myself is
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Speaker 4: a point of COP president for negotiations. For the purposes
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Speaker 4: of the negotiations.
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Speaker 11: I would have all the powers of COP presidency to
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Speaker 11: manage to handle the negotiations to a point, COE facilitators,
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Speaker 11: to prepare draft text and to issue the cover decision.
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Speaker 3: Back to the bullet you've dodged.
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Speaker 2: And apparently this two billion dollars saving from not having
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Speaker 2: this jamboree in Adelaide, I don't think you've saved money.
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Speaker 3: Australia.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister today said that our role would mean
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Speaker 2: hosting pre COP events in the region.
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Speaker 9: The very existence of island states such as Barlu and Carebas,
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Speaker 9: the issue of our oceans, all of those issues.
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Speaker 7: Will be front and center.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, this notion that Tavalu is about
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Speaker 2: to disappear without more climate action on Australia's part is
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Speaker 2: basically a shakedown for more AID money. In twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 2: no lesser source than the ABC fact checked so that
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Speaker 2: in the four decades to twenty fourteen, Tavalu's total land
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Speaker 2: area had grown by two point nine percent. ABC fact
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Speaker 2: check went on to say that Tavalu's individual islands, seventy
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Speaker 2: three of them had increased in land area, while just
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Speaker 2: twenty eight had decreased. Just one, they said, had erode
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Speaker 2: it entirely. So while change of change is a fact
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Speaker 2: of life, catastrophic climate change is, to put it mildly,
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Speaker 2: even to the words of the ABC, greatly exaggerated. Now
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Speaker 2: we can be sure, though, that Chris Bowen's new role
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Speaker 2: means more spending that we can't afford and don't need,
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Speaker 2: and a whole lot or hot air from a bloke.
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Speaker 3: Who has made it an artful.
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Speaker 2: I really wish there for a moment that he might
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Speaker 2: have been taking off our hands, but anyway, we've still
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Speaker 2: got him for the moment. Let's go to campin now.
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Speaker 2: Tonight's political headlines Sky on his political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 12: Good Evening, Australia has withdrawn it's been to host next
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Speaker 12: year's COP thirty one climate summit in Adelaide.
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Speaker 4: The COP is held in Tokia, but Australia myself is
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Speaker 4: appointed COP President for negotiations. For the purposes of the negotiations.
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Speaker 12: Failure to seed ground would have seen the event default
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Speaker 12: to Germany, pleasing No One. Instead a compromise deal, we'll
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Speaker 12: see a pre COP event held in the Pacific, placing
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Speaker 12: global attention on the concerns of regional neighbors.
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Speaker 9: Those issues will be front and center, so it's an
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Speaker 9: outstanding outcome.
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Speaker 10: I am gutted.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bone's very disappointed today, I'm sure, but Australians should
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Speaker 2: be very We're facing a forty two billion dollar deficit.
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Speaker 12: Having spent the week selling her new energy plan and
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Speaker 12: with work on going on a migration policy, the opposition
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Speaker 12: leader is now shifting her focus to defense. Tonight in Melbourne,
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Speaker 12: Susan Lee will renew a commitment to lift defense spending
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Speaker 12: above three percent of GDP from its current level of
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Speaker 12: around two percent. She'll also outline three priorities spending areas
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Speaker 12: for defense including on missile defense systems, unmanned weapons and
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Speaker 12: satellite connectivity. Cameron Reddin's Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's good to that very dramatic afternoon in
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Speaker 2: that New South Wales litvial party with Mark Sweetman just
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Speaker 2: about an hour ago stepping down as the party leader.
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Speaker 2: For an update, joining me now from a Quorra Street
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Speaker 2: in Sydney. Journalist The Daily Telegraph, James Willis James. Last
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Speaker 2: night he put out a video to say he was boring,
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Speaker 2: but he wasn't going anywhere. He reiterated that too was
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Speaker 2: locked and loaded. This morning and about an hour before
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Speaker 2: his spoke you and I we all heard that he
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Speaker 2: was locking himself away in the office. He was canceling
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Speaker 2: media appearances, which said to me he was hitting the
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Speaker 2: phones trying to show up his numbers, but clearly he
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Speaker 2: didn't have them in the end, and he has now resigned.
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Speaker 2: Give me your take, you're on the ground, how to
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Speaker 2: play out?
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Speaker 13: Well, it was quite an extraordinary week anyway, Peter, because
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Speaker 13: we've already had a new nationals Letterer in New South Wales,
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Speaker 13: We've already had the Libs back Net zero and the
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Speaker 13: Natz Society not to and being physically split on the
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Speaker 13: floor of Parliament and then today basically Mark Speakman out
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Speaker 13: of the blue, after not holding a press conference for
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Speaker 13: more than a week, decided to schedule a whole day
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Speaker 13: of back to back media opportunities like a Hollywood alyst
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Speaker 13: celebrity where they were just going from one after the other.
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Speaker 13: We all got an opportunity. He did talk back radio
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Speaker 13: this morning, he did Sky News earlier today, and then
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Speaker 13: throughout the afternoon he was meant to be doing TV,
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Speaker 13: he was meant to be doing the Daily Telegraph, a
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Speaker 13: range of other publications, and then suddenly things changed by
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Speaker 13: mid afternoon where we were told that they had all
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Speaker 13: been canceled, all at once.
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Speaker 12: And it was a.
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Speaker 13: Very interesting situation because the chatter about this has been
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Speaker 13: an overdrive Peter for the past few days, increased last night.
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Speaker 13: There was some people saying will it happen, won't it?
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Speaker 13: I think by last night we had a fair indication
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Speaker 13: it was on. And then at about four o'clock it
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Speaker 13: all went quiet. No MPs would respond, no one was
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Speaker 13: getting back to text, no one was answering calls. And suddenly,
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Speaker 13: from what we know now, Kelly Sloan, the Vorklues MP
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Speaker 13: had gone to see Mark Speakman. We understand that she
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Speaker 13: couldn't get in as I've been told that the office
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Speaker 13: was locked, and then they've eventually caught up after that,
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Speaker 13: and Mark has then resigned at five pm and just
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Speaker 13: conceding Peter along the way that despite having some pretty
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Speaker 13: good policies and trying to roll some things out and
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Speaker 13: doing everything possible to connect with those right focus groups
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Speaker 13: focus on housing, that unfortunately there was so much white
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Speaker 13: noise and speculation about his leadership that he had no
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Speaker 13: other option but to resign.
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Speaker 2: Well, all credit to Kelly Sloane too for going abound
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Speaker 2: knocking on the door and actually getting in and speaking
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Speaker 2: to him face to face. I pay a lot of
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Speaker 2: credit to something like that. And also I want to
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Speaker 2: make mention of Mark Speakman's very gracious resignation speech. I
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Speaker 2: thought that was a lovely speech from him. We often
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Speaker 2: say this, don't we that when people leave politics, or
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Speaker 2: in this case, leave the leadership, they are some of
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Speaker 2: their best moments at the microphone. But give us a
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Speaker 2: sense of the politics there. What has led to him
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Speaker 2: having to resign? I mean, was there one thing? Was
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Speaker 2: it the boring stuff?
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Speaker 3: You know? Like, was he not cutting through.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 13: I think firstly, the media cut through is vitally important
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Speaker 13: and Kelly Sloane has made a lot of great in
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Speaker 13: ground in their own portfolio and shadow health. But look Mark, Ultimately,
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Speaker 13: after the last election, Peter, there was a talent vacuum
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Speaker 13: that left the Liberal Party in New South Wales where
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Speaker 13: a lot of senior ministers, people like Dom Perrete, they'd
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Speaker 13: already lost Gladysbury gically and David Elliott went. They all
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Speaker 13: went at once and Mark was the best man for
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Speaker 13: the job at the time. But after two and a
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Speaker 13: half years, unfortunately he just hasn't had that cut through
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Speaker 13: with the media. Now. Up until now his moderates faction,
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Speaker 13: who are the dominant faction in New South Wales, have
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Speaker 13: been reluctant to move on him and so as a
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Speaker 13: result he has just been stuck. But what's changed in
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Speaker 13: the last couple of days is that Kelly Sloane has
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Speaker 13: been convinced that she should be running for the leadership
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Speaker 13: and the party does need a new direction. Today technically
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Speaker 13: the last sitting day in the New South Wales Parliament,
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Speaker 13: so it's basically a fresh start which will be determined tomorrow.
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Speaker 13: The real question is whether Alistair Henskins will run. He's
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Speaker 13: not factionally aligned, but the right back him. They don't
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Speaker 13: have the numbers at this stage unless the you know,
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Speaker 13: there can be people from the moderates or the center
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Speaker 13: right convinced to come across. But at this stage Kelly
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Speaker 13: Sloane is the book. He's favorite, and I think it
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Speaker 13: would be very surprising if she wasn't installed tomorrow. But
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Speaker 13: this has changed dramatically, Peter, from last night. From the
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Speaker 13: night before, the grumblings increase. People said, no, it's off,
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Speaker 13: it might not happen. We can't go after one of
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Speaker 13: our own. But in the end, the moderates of tap
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Speaker 13: mark on the shoulder today and city needs to move
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Speaker 13: aside just quickly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm interested tomorrow Isue going to be unopposed.
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Speaker 2: It looks sort of like it is, but not yet confirmed.
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Speaker 2: Will we see someone like Henschkin as a conservative as
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Speaker 2: her deputy. I mean, I think that's probably a point
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Speaker 2: of unity. And see what looking around the states right now,
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party certainly needs unity. And on the question
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Speaker 2: of net zero, you make the point the Nats have
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Speaker 2: walked away from it at a state level.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party backed it back.
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Speaker 2: In However, given that they are both moderate, is that
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Speaker 2: likely to change under Kelly Sloane.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 13: I don't think so. It remains the same. And my
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Speaker 13: understanding from the party room meeting where they voted in
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Speaker 13: favor of it on Tuesday Peter, is that the overwhelming
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Speaker 13: majority of New South Wales Liberals are in support of
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Speaker 13: net zero and they feel that from the last election
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Speaker 13: it was the reason they were able to hold on
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Speaker 13: to the affluent seats on the northern beaches and the
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Speaker 13: eastern suburbs when they've been lost at a federal level. Now,
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Speaker 13: the counter argument to that is that the coalition that
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Speaker 13: was in power for ten years in New South Wales
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Speaker 13: got a hell of a lot done. They built metros,
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Speaker 13: they built hospitals, they built roadways, The Sydney was in
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Speaker 13: pretty good shape and we've got a huge infrastructure pipeline
20:29
Speaker 13: as a result, so you can't really just focus on
20:32
Speaker 13: net zero. But they are of the view overwhelmingly that
20:36
Speaker 13: net zero has to stay and we had embarrassing scenes
20:38
Speaker 13: earlier this week where you had the Libs sitting on
20:41
Speaker 13: the same side of the chamber as the Labor Party
20:44
Speaker 13: and the Nationals with their new leader Germesh sing on
20:46
Speaker 13: the other when emotion was moved in support of net
20:49
Speaker 13: zero's and renewable energy in general. So that's going to
20:53
Speaker 13: be a really confusing thing for voters moving forward, particularly
20:56
Speaker 13: when the Coalition has also backed it. In terms of candidates,
21:01
Speaker 13: I can't know for sure at this stage where the
21:03
Speaker 13: Henskins will run. All we know is that Kelly Sloane
21:05
Speaker 13: has been confirmed and Mark Speakman has bought has basically
21:09
Speaker 13: endorsed her on his way out the door.
21:12
Speaker 3: We will leave it there, thank you, James.
21:14
Speaker 2: Let's bring in our Sky News Thursday, regular Carol Katsavans.
21:18
Speaker 3: We've got a whole lot of other issues.
21:19
Speaker 2: I want to start though with COP the Booby prize
21:23
Speaker 2: sort of thinging we dodged a bullet. Yes, I'm having
21:25
Speaker 2: it in Adelaide at two billion dollars of taxpayers money.
21:27
Speaker 2: But we're not going to get out of this free
21:30
Speaker 2: of charge because Chris Bowen has wrangled himself a nothing title,
21:35
Speaker 2: you know, President of the pre COP negotiations. Never heard
21:38
Speaker 2: of that before, but clearly it's been created and he'll
21:41
Speaker 2: move himself around the South Pacific. There'll be a whole
21:43
Speaker 2: lot of jamborees held. We will fund them Solomon Islands won't,
21:48
Speaker 2: Tavalu won't, none of these countries will. Australians will probably
21:51
Speaker 2: spend at least a billion hosting the jamboree down here.
21:56
Speaker 3: And of course the bigger point the.
21:59
Speaker 2: Prime Minister si today while he can do this and
22:01
Speaker 2: his domestic portfolio, our enterprises have never been higher, Our
22:05
Speaker 2: system's never been more fragile. We've got businesses going out
22:07
Speaker 2: the back door. We've got a roll out of renewables
22:11
Speaker 2: that is stalled and highly problematic in a lot of
22:14
Speaker 2: regional communities.
22:17
Speaker 3: He's going to take the.
22:17
Speaker 2: Money from taxpayers to do the climate job in Australia
22:20
Speaker 2: but abandon it just one around the world when he
22:23
Speaker 2: should be here fixing the problems he's created.
22:26
Speaker 5: Perfectly said Peter, as always, you can't have it. He
22:29
Speaker 5: also he won't be acting in Australia's best interests. I mean,
22:33
Speaker 5: with all these cop climate summits there every six months,
22:36
Speaker 5: it is absolutely ridiculous and as you said, President for Negotiations,
22:41
Speaker 5: ridiculous title. The question Australians want to know is when
22:44
Speaker 5: are our power price is going to come down? Two
22:46
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy them negotiating them, Minister for.
22:50
Speaker 3: Tea or coffee or whatever it might be.
22:52
Speaker 5: Cause us remind people that with this latest cop climate
22:55
Speaker 5: somewhere in Brazil, Australia sent five hundred people over there
22:58
Speaker 5: that actually ironically had to part of the Amazon to
23:02
Speaker 5: produce a road to get to the venue. Meanwhile, it's
23:06
Speaker 5: it's ridiculous.
23:08
Speaker 3: And what does it achieve.
23:09
Speaker 5: I mean it's a I mean, as you said, we
23:11
Speaker 5: have birds.
23:12
Speaker 3: The country's there, Yes, not put in their twenty thirty five.
23:14
Speaker 5: Targ Well no they didn't, and it's not necessary. I
23:17
Speaker 5: wonder whether Albanize is actually trying to get rid of
23:19
Speaker 5: Bowen and get him out of the picture.
23:21
Speaker 3: But also you cannot do both.
23:23
Speaker 5: You cannot be on basically the cop board and also
23:27
Speaker 5: advocating for Australia as well, because it's not in our
23:29
Speaker 5: best interests.
23:30
Speaker 3: Let's go to the killing season. We'll leave New South
23:32
Speaker 3: Wales alone.
23:33
Speaker 2: Because obviously we've had that great update from James, we've
23:35
Speaker 2: seen the leadership change in Victoria. Jess Wilson's now in
23:39
Speaker 2: the top job first term in the parliament. Interesting we'll
23:43
Speaker 2: get a reaction from you on that. But interestingly there's
23:46
Speaker 2: talk that John Perzzuto could come back as her shadow
23:50
Speaker 2: treasurer once your reaction to that.
23:52
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that.
23:53
Speaker 5: I just think he's had his time.
23:54
Speaker 10: Good luck to him.
23:55
Speaker 5: We've already got a myriad of legal issues that will
23:58
Speaker 5: be happening next year. It is not what the Victorian
24:01
Speaker 5: Liberal Party need. If it was up to me, I'd
24:03
Speaker 5: choose a man called Richard Welsh who is Member for
24:06
Speaker 5: the North Eastern Region. The fellow is a businessman. He's
24:09
Speaker 5: got economic credentials. He ran a business and invented this
24:13
Speaker 5: ai thing for cricket stuff around the world that is
24:16
Speaker 5: actually used at Lord's Cricket Ground. And I think that
24:18
Speaker 5: it's an opportunity for Jess Wilson not to with no
24:21
Speaker 5: offense meant not to recycle through a lot of ministers
24:25
Speaker 5: that have previously had a time. This is her chance
24:28
Speaker 5: to actually stamp her authority on something and broring people
24:31
Speaker 5: with her on the journey in presenting a fresh faced
24:35
Speaker 5: Liberal team so that there's not sixteen years of labor.
24:38
Speaker 3: It is a bold move.
24:39
Speaker 5: But we saw it was a bold move this week
24:41
Speaker 5: for her to be elected unopposed. But so far, I've
24:44
Speaker 5: got to say her four key points are what Victorians want.
24:47
Speaker 5: The crime crisis, getting the budget back under control, quality
24:51
Speaker 5: health care for all Victorians, and allowing Victorians, young Victorians,
24:55
Speaker 5: the millennials that previously is not a bloke, a block
24:58
Speaker 5: that has voted for for the Liberal Party to have
25:02
Speaker 5: that aspiration and that opportunity to be able to purchase
25:05
Speaker 5: their own home.
25:07
Speaker 2: Okay, so given three leaders in under a year.
25:11
Speaker 10: Yep, not a good look.
25:12
Speaker 5: But look, I think they can. You not, because they've
25:15
Speaker 5: got to remember they have got to fight labor. And
25:18
Speaker 5: I mean, how disappointing was it to see Steve Demopolis,
25:22
Speaker 5: the attack dog and the human shield for Premigesento Alan
25:25
Speaker 5: come and say Jess Wilson is breathtakingly inexperienced. I would
25:30
Speaker 5: actually say the labor government is breathtakingly arrogant and breathtakingly incompetent.
25:36
Speaker 3: I was gonna say in competent. Yes, so you've got
25:38
Speaker 3: it there, you got it there absolutely. Yeah.
25:41
Speaker 5: So I just think, you know, I don't have any
25:43
Speaker 5: advis but just you've got to stay. She's evidently got
25:46
Speaker 5: them worried, and you know she's.
25:48
Speaker 2: Right there and okay, well let's go as to why
25:51
Speaker 2: they should be worried, and it's not just just will sure.
25:53
Speaker 2: Look at this herald son's story out today. Victorian family
25:57
Speaker 2: furious after their ninety one year old grandmother, Loess Caspot,
26:01
Speaker 2: was assessed by an online emergency doctors ineligible for an ambulance,
26:06
Speaker 2: so she had to make her own way there after
26:08
Speaker 2: a horror fall. Now a warning, these images are pretty shocking,
26:12
Speaker 2: but you need to see them to understand the gravity
26:15
Speaker 2: of what we're talking about. Here a broken pelvis, she
26:17
Speaker 2: had bleeding on the brain. Ambulance Victoria have denied resourcing issues.
26:23
Speaker 2: The department has also defended its clinical advice, and here
26:28
Speaker 2: scrambling as she does, was the premiere.
26:33
Speaker 15: I think it's important to take the advice on these
26:36
Speaker 15: matters from the paramedics who treated her, the clinicians and
26:41
Speaker 15: the doctors who supported that treatment. And again, look, it
26:45
Speaker 15: was a terrible experience for anyone to have.
26:48
Speaker 2: I want to back this story out. The grandmother up
26:51
Speaker 2: with a personal story of mine. I had a friend
26:52
Speaker 2: who was staying with me on the weekend on Sunday,
26:56
Speaker 2: she's a nurse.
26:57
Speaker 3: She had respiratory issues. She could not break.
27:01
Speaker 2: I was out, so she took herself to an emergency department.
27:04
Speaker 2: They said, your airways are closing up. You urgently need
27:07
Speaker 2: to see an e and T a specialist doctor in
27:10
Speaker 2: that area. We don't have one in this emergency area.
27:13
Speaker 2: But rather than put her in an ambulance and move
27:15
Speaker 2: her to another emergency hospital about a kilometer away, they
27:18
Speaker 2: put her in an uber Now when she got there,
27:22
Speaker 2: she eventually had emergency surgery. That is a state of
27:26
Speaker 2: the Victorian health system. I've seen it firsthand this week,
27:29
Speaker 2: and what we see there with that grandmother is shocking.
27:32
Speaker 3: It's terrible.
27:33
Speaker 5: I mean, Victoria is it's a broken state. It's failed.
27:38
Speaker 5: This is not, sadly an isolated incident. We had two
27:41
Speaker 5: people die in June this year. A sixty nine year
27:44
Speaker 5: old man who had a full left waiting five hours
27:46
Speaker 5: for an ambulance.
27:47
Speaker 3: It never turned up.
27:49
Speaker 5: Twenty people in Victoria have died waiting for ambulances since
27:52
Speaker 5: twenty twenty. It's excuses after excuses. The question that I've
27:56
Speaker 5: got is that any one of us may have an
28:00
Speaker 5: ninety one year old relative. You don't need a medical
28:02
Speaker 5: degree to see that on an online consultation and not
28:07
Speaker 5: know that this person needs to go to hospital. Luckily,
28:09
Speaker 5: the daughter, her daughter was able to drive her and
28:12
Speaker 5: it wasn't a far distance to the hospital, But how
28:14
Speaker 5: do I know that it wasn't more damage done to
28:16
Speaker 5: her moving a ninety one year old with a broken
28:19
Speaker 5: suspective broken pelvis.
28:20
Speaker 3: It's shocking.
28:21
Speaker 5: And one thing I would say is the fact that
28:23
Speaker 5: Premier just Senter Alan and the Victorian Health Minister Mary
28:26
Speaker 5: Anne Thomas are not even prepared to look at this
28:30
Speaker 5: just shows the breathtaking arrogance of this Victorian state.
28:34
Speaker 3: Gup.
28:34
Speaker 2: It's interesting she hides behind medical advice and medical experts,
28:38
Speaker 2: and yet on things like and We're going to get
28:39
Speaker 2: to this in a moment, on things like gender drugs
28:42
Speaker 2: for children, which New Zealand have just banned, they disregard.
28:47
Speaker 5: Of course, the medical doesn't fit the narrative, does it.
28:50
Speaker 3: Olliver there, Caroly, thank you, thank you, I've break.
28:52
Speaker 2: We will get to that store in New Zealand now
28:54
Speaker 2: joining a long list of countries that have rejected the
28:57
Speaker 2: use of puberty blockers in Australia. So why the hell
29:01
Speaker 2: are they still being here? Plus will go live at
29:03
Speaker 2: the UK labor drag kick and screaming to clamp down
29:06
Speaker 2: on asylum seekers. But I'll tell you what they are doing.
29:10
Speaker 2: I think we should look at here. Welcome back still
29:17
Speaker 2: to come. UK labors crackdown on legal migrants.
29:21
Speaker 3: Now.
29:22
Speaker 2: I don't often say we should borrow something from labor
29:23
Speaker 2: here in Australia, but we should look at this.
29:26
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment.
29:28
Speaker 2: But first, New Zealand of course the latest country to
29:30
Speaker 2: join the growing list of nations that have paused or
29:33
Speaker 2: banned the use of puberty blockers and children. As of
29:36
Speaker 2: next month, new prescriptions will be halted, which now aligns
29:40
Speaker 2: New Zealand with the approach to the UK after the
29:43
Speaker 2: landmark Cast review. In a statement, the New Zealand Health
29:47
Speaker 2: Minister said these changes are about insuring treatments are safe
29:51
Speaker 2: and carefully managed, while maintaining access to care for those
29:55
Speaker 2: who need it. New Zealand's first Leader, New Zealand First Leader,
30:00
Speaker 2: Winston Peters, who has long campaigned on this issue, welcomed
30:04
Speaker 2: the decision.
30:06
Speaker 16: Two things. A whole lot of children without any scientific
30:09
Speaker 16: or medical proof of what was being advised to them.
30:13
Speaker 16: To them, we're being now viewed terribly damaged given the
30:17
Speaker 16: cash report in the UK. Coming to that finding is
30:20
Speaker 16: an ongoing review going on and we thought we should
30:23
Speaker 16: be acting as fast as we.
30:24
Speaker 2: Can, of course here in this country we have had
30:29
Speaker 2: experts say the same thing for many years, including doctor
30:33
Speaker 2: Gillian Spencer, who has set a termination notice from her
30:36
Speaker 2: role as a child psychiatrist at Queensland's Children's Hospital for
30:41
Speaker 2: being outspoken on this critical issue. Joining me, of course,
30:44
Speaker 2: is Jillian Spencer. Now you've got the UK, Finland, Norway, Sweden,
30:50
Speaker 2: New Zealand all going down this path. We'll discuss the
30:55
Speaker 2: review Australia's having in a moment. But do we even
30:58
Speaker 2: need a review? I mean, look at what's happening around
31:01
Speaker 2: the world. Should we just move immediately to pause, at least,
31:05
Speaker 2: at the very least pause these puberty blockers and then
31:09
Speaker 2: await the review? Why wait for the review to tell
31:13
Speaker 2: us what all these other countries clearly know.
31:18
Speaker 10: Exactly.
31:18
Speaker 17: Yes, we don't need this lengthy review because the recent
31:22
Speaker 17: systematic reviews of the worldwide research literature have all come
31:26
Speaker 17: to the same conclusion that there's a lack of evidence
31:28
Speaker 17: of benefit for gender interventions and there are serious harm.
31:31
Speaker 17: So what we need, in addition to an Australia wide
31:35
Speaker 17: ban on puberty blockers, is that we need for health
31:38
Speaker 17: services to walk away from the affirmation model and take
31:40
Speaker 17: an exploratory approach. And we also need to stop the
31:44
Speaker 17: prescription of cross sex hormones to miners because that's what
31:48
Speaker 17: they've done in the UK and in Australia we're prescribing
31:51
Speaker 17: cross sex hormones to miners from as young as the
31:54
Speaker 17: age of fourteen and.
31:56
Speaker 10: These have very serious effects.
31:59
Speaker 17: Example, a male prescribed twelve months of estrogen is likely
32:04
Speaker 17: to suffer lifelong infertility.
32:09
Speaker 2: And what about the ramifications for some of these drugs
32:12
Speaker 2: with young girls, because what I have read is it
32:16
Speaker 2: can prevent them being able to conceive down the track.
32:22
Speaker 10: Exactly.
32:24
Speaker 17: Yeah, we're I think it's important for people to realize
32:28
Speaker 17: that gender interventions actually are a political movement. They're not
32:32
Speaker 17: based in science, and they're not healthcare because as I mentioned,
32:36
Speaker 17: the evidence underpinning them is remarkably weak and they have
32:39
Speaker 17: serious harms that you would not wish on your worst enemy.
32:43
Speaker 17: And these interventions have been rolled out in health services
32:46
Speaker 17: across Australia by force, with the flags and with the
32:50
Speaker 17: mandatory use of special language, and all discussion and assent
32:56
Speaker 17: has been suppressed. And these interventions they don't help the
33:00
Speaker 17: individual child. The child is actually a victim and they're
33:03
Speaker 17: being harmed in order to serve adult political goals, which
33:07
Speaker 17: is to have a less CIS heteronormative society. And so
33:12
Speaker 17: I want to encourage the general public to feel confident
33:15
Speaker 17: in weighing in on this debate because no medical.
33:18
Speaker 10: Expertise is required.
33:21
Speaker 17: What it comes down to is a question, which is
33:24
Speaker 17: at what age can a child consent to cosmetic interventions
33:29
Speaker 17: that cause infertility, a lack of sexual function, and long
33:32
Speaker 17: term physical health problems.
33:34
Speaker 10: And most people that I meet that don't.
33:36
Speaker 17: Have a vested interest say that they think that children
33:39
Speaker 17: don't have the maturity and understanding to consent to such harms.
33:44
Speaker 2: So I want people at home to understand too. Yes,
33:47
Speaker 2: you're a psychiatrist, but a psychiatrist is a medical doctor.
33:50
Speaker 3: You're not a counselor or psychologist.
33:52
Speaker 2: You are a medical doctor with a psychiatry qualifications or specialty.
33:57
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about these kids who have got
33:59
Speaker 2: gen dysphoria being left to their own devices. We're not
34:03
Speaker 2: throwing them down the path of suicide, as some will
34:06
Speaker 2: argue from the trans lobby. People like you are saying
34:09
Speaker 2: we need to actively get in and support these kids
34:12
Speaker 2: in a medical way of scientifically proven way. Let's give
34:16
Speaker 2: them counseling and support and all of these things, but
34:19
Speaker 2: let's not just immediately put them down the path of
34:23
Speaker 2: changing their life forever in a way that's in many
34:27
Speaker 2: cases irreversible or mutilating their bodies. That's the point I
34:31
Speaker 2: think we need to underscore with people at home.
34:33
Speaker 3: Jillian.
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Speaker 17: I wholeheartedly agree, and I think I explained last time
34:39
Speaker 17: on your program the exploratory model how it differs from
34:42
Speaker 17: the affirmation model, and once again I was asked that
34:45
Speaker 17: health services move away from the discredited affirmation model.
34:51
Speaker 2: And last I want to say too, surely what we've
34:54
Speaker 2: seen today in New Zealand strengthens your case after you
34:58
Speaker 2: were sent that termination no from the Queensland Health Department.
35:05
Speaker 17: I hope, so, I really do hope that the Queensland
35:08
Speaker 17: Health Minister, mister Tim Nicholls will intervene in my case
35:11
Speaker 17: because the hospital is trying to fire me for breaches
35:14
Speaker 17: of the Code of Conduct.
35:16
Speaker 10: But the purpose of the Public Service Code.
35:18
Speaker 17: Of Conduct is to ensure the integrity and impartiality of
35:22
Speaker 17: the public service. It was never designed to be used
35:26
Speaker 17: by hospitals to stop doctors from speaking up about a
35:29
Speaker 17: scandal and a doctor's primary loyalty has to be to
35:34
Speaker 17: their patients.
35:34
Speaker 10: It can't be to the health service. Otherwise we just
35:37
Speaker 10: become company sales representatives.
35:41
Speaker 3: You couldn't have said that better.
35:42
Speaker 2: I will certainly keep reiterating my call and now others
35:45
Speaker 2: have made personal please to the Tim Michols to get
35:49
Speaker 2: involved and support you where they can. We'll leave that there,
35:52
Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor Jillian Spencer. Now the moves in the UK.
35:55
Speaker 2: This is from UK Labor who have launched a radical
35:58
Speaker 2: set of immigration propos targeting refugees and asylum seekers. It's
36:03
Speaker 2: a prompted political backlash from the left people like me
36:08
Speaker 2: and others around the world. So this is something we
36:10
Speaker 2: need to look at in our own countries here to
36:13
Speaker 2: talk us through what's happening sky and is contributed to
36:15
Speaker 2: US Australia's European Correspondence Sophie Ellsworth. So these plans and
36:21
Speaker 2: I'll give people a quick PRAI seedt do you and
36:25
Speaker 2: convention on refugees If you sign up to an Australis signatory,
36:29
Speaker 2: many countries in the world are says that your obligation
36:32
Speaker 2: is to give someone temporary asylum doesn't have to be
36:35
Speaker 2: a permanent home you have to just protect them from
36:37
Speaker 2: losing their life because they fear persecution. They feel their
36:41
Speaker 2: life is a threat. What's happened over many years is
36:44
Speaker 2: countries like ours take them in and we give them
36:47
Speaker 2: a permanent home. What the UK is now saying that
36:50
Speaker 2: they're going to do is just give them a temporary place.
36:54
Speaker 3: And this is only if they are assessed to.
36:56
Speaker 2: Be a refugee, of course, and then they're going to
36:58
Speaker 2: keep assessing their home country and should things change for
37:02
Speaker 2: the civil war end or whatever, should it be safe
37:04
Speaker 2: to send them back, they will be encouraged to go home.
37:08
Speaker 3: I really like this.
37:12
Speaker 18: Well, Peter, you and many others really like this plan
37:15
Speaker 18: by Labor. And this is the labor government here responding
37:19
Speaker 18: to the immense pressure that they are under at the
37:21
Speaker 18: moment from Reform UK and Nigel Praja's party, who will
37:25
Speaker 18: put a lot of pressure on Sakaire's Sama and his
37:30
Speaker 18: ministers to do something to stop this asylum problem here
37:34
Speaker 18: in the UK. Peter, just so far this year, thirty
37:37
Speaker 18: nine thousand asylum seekers have arrived here or legal migrants
37:42
Speaker 18: have arrived here in the UK. The boats are continuing
37:46
Speaker 18: to sail in and they cannot stop this problem, and
37:49
Speaker 18: this is arguably one of the hottest issues here in
37:53
Speaker 18: the UK, and so Shabanammood has had to come out
37:57
Speaker 18: here this week Peter and say we are taking these
38:01
Speaker 18: tough measures to try and stop this problem once and
38:04
Speaker 18: for all.
38:05
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of pressure.
38:06
Speaker 18: On them to act because as we know, the Labor
38:09
Speaker 18: Government have only been in office for eighteen months and
38:12
Speaker 18: hasn't been a honeymoon period for them on this issue.
38:15
Speaker 7: Peter.
38:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as I like the policy, I don't
38:19
Speaker 2: think this will work. I think they're too far gone
38:21
Speaker 2: in terms of the boat transits across from France. And
38:23
Speaker 2: of course most of the people coming across are not refugees,
38:27
Speaker 2: that they're not assessed as refugees. They're coming because they
38:30
Speaker 2: can be put up for a certain period of time
38:32
Speaker 2: obviously and in hotels all around Britain, and they get
38:35
Speaker 2: paid their welfare and they get the NHS. It's many
38:39
Speaker 2: many years later when they're found not to be refugees
38:42
Speaker 2: that they can't do anything about getting them out. So
38:45
Speaker 2: it is a good policy, but I don't think it's
38:48
Speaker 2: going to stop the vote.
38:50
Speaker 3: And where is the British public on this.
38:54
Speaker 18: British public Peter is absolutely fed up with this because
38:58
Speaker 18: they feel like these illegal migrants are coming in here,
39:01
Speaker 18: they're getting handed money, they're getting put up in hotels
39:05
Speaker 18: and they're getting treated very well. And many of them
39:08
Speaker 18: are coming from places that are not intermol many of
39:11
Speaker 18: them are coming from safe places. But we know that
39:15
Speaker 18: channel crossing is only a very short distance and it's
39:18
Speaker 18: incredibly easy for them to get across. The French are
39:21
Speaker 18: not stopping them. So this problem is not going away,
39:25
Speaker 18: and you're right, it may not stop it, but they
39:28
Speaker 18: are saying that they're trying to get tough and constantly
39:31
Speaker 18: reviewing their asylum here to see if their country is
39:36
Speaker 18: safe that they came from. To send them back.
39:40
Speaker 3: Well, I'll leave it there.
39:41
Speaker 2: People will have heard me last night. Tell John o'dunnham,
39:45
Speaker 2: the Liberal Parties spokes in this area, this is something
39:48
Speaker 2: they should be looking at here. Thank you, Sophie coming
39:51
Speaker 2: out Australian dairy farmers warning the local industry is struggling
39:54
Speaker 2: to compete with the flood of cheap imported dairy products.
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Speaker 3: Production costs here are very high.
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Speaker 2: We understand why consumers are seeking more affordable options, but
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Speaker 2: what does this do to the future of dairy.
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Speaker 3: That's next. We'll go back.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into the Epstein files in a moment with
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Speaker 2: the international panel, but first we're going to talk about dairy.
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Speaker 2: You can see it there on my desk, warnings tonight
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Speaker 2: in Australia has become a dumping ground for ultra cheap
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Speaker 2: imported dairy products as a result of Donald Trump's tariff
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Speaker 2: war was so supermarkets are increasingly bringing in cheaper and
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Speaker 2: lower quality products from the United States in a move
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Speaker 2: that's hurting our dairy industry here and making life harder
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Speaker 2: for our farmers to stay on the land. Now, all
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Speaker 2: farmers work hard. I come from the land myself, but
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Speaker 2: I tell you I don't think anyone works harder than
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Speaker 2: people who work in the dairy industry. Pre dawn starts,
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Speaker 2: they milk twice a day. Pressure obviously they've got a
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Speaker 2: perishable product they have to get to market, and the
40:52
Speaker 2: fact that the cows need to be milked three hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty five days of the year. My sister and
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Speaker 2: brother in lawa Irvin dairy, So you know, my heart
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Speaker 2: goes out to this industry, joining me to explain the
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Speaker 2: assault on the industry. What's happening on the ground. Co
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Speaker 2: founder of Gippsland, Jersey, Sally Jones. I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: when I talk about net zero, it sounds so far away,
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Speaker 2: but I look at what's happening to farmers. They are
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Speaker 2: now the next front line in these targets. But you say, Peter,
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Speaker 2: we're getting hit earlier and faster and harder on issues
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Speaker 2: like tariffs.
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Speaker 3: What's going on with the industry.
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Speaker 2: What's happening with the flood of these cheap imported products
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Speaker 2: sell Well.
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Speaker 6: We've seen the backlash this week with Woolworth and the
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Speaker 6: USA butter that's come in.
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Speaker 2: And this is the butter that looks like it might
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Speaker 2: be an aussy butter because it's in a sort of
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Speaker 2: green and gold wrapping, isn't it correct?
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Speaker 3: And it's not. It's not.
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Speaker 6: It's very unpleasant and big apologies to anyone in Australia
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Speaker 6: that has purchased the butter because they've wasted their money,
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Speaker 6: because it says.
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Speaker 2: If you look very carefully, US product, I think but
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Speaker 2: packed in Australia. But it looks like an Australian product direct, yes,
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Speaker 2: and it's.
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Speaker 3: Not yellow like your butter. Definitely nice.
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Speaker 2: It looks like Marjorie, it's white isn't it.
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Speaker 3: It's whiter than the milk.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very very different and the taste is unpalatable
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Speaker 6: to be honest. But yeah, in Australia we have one
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Speaker 6: one in four dairy products is now imported, so that
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Speaker 6: is retail products and food service.
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Speaker 2: And do you think customers are understanding of this or
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Speaker 2: are they just going as a whisk through the supermarket.
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Speaker 2: They're looking at the price point, they're just grabbing what
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Speaker 2: they can and maybe they get home and they're disappointed
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Speaker 2: that it's foreign.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's realistically?
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Speaker 2: You think they want to buy Australian but can't afford it,
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Speaker 2: or do you think they're not reading the labels.
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Speaker 6: There is definitely the consumer out there that wants to
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Speaker 6: support local, wants to support Australian.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of trickery that goes on in.
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Speaker 6: Marketing campaigns and you know, things look like they're meant
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Speaker 6: to be Australian, like this butter in wool worse right now,
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Speaker 6: But I think they can chue who is getting a
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Speaker 6: little bit smarter And it is harder to read the
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Speaker 6: food labels, especially on ice things like ice cream, butter
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Speaker 6: and cheese. You can see it because it's clearly marked.
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Speaker 6: But yet I think we need to look at see
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Speaker 6: what sort of things are happening in terms of food
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Speaker 6: labeling in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Why doesn't the government have a campaign to support the
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Speaker 2: dairy industry and help Australians understand the level of imported product?
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Speaker 2: Because if dairy goes out of business and so many
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Speaker 2: states now don't have much of a dairy industry, it's
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Speaker 2: gravitated very much down to Victoria and South Australia.
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Speaker 3: If we lose our dairy.
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Speaker 2: Yes we might get stuff from America, but we'll be
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Speaker 2: getting it from China.
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Speaker 3: In the end we will be.
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Speaker 6: So to put it into perspective, Peter, we are losing
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Speaker 6: four Olympic swing pools a day of milk in Australia.
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Speaker 6: That's how much in decline we are, which is frightening.
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Speaker 6: I don't know what the answer is, but we definitely
43:56
Speaker 6: need to pay farm as a fair price and not
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Speaker 6: be your race to the bottom with the with milk,
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Speaker 6: Like why is it cheap we pay more for a bottle.
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Speaker 2: Of coke bottle of well we you know, I see
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Speaker 2: people's trolleys full of imported water. If we can import
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Speaker 2: sparkling water from Italy and people want to buy that.
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Speaker 2: Why can't they put some money into too milk?
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: I want to tell people, now, well, that's what you're here.
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Speaker 3: That's what you're here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, as I said to you, I support the
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Speaker 2: dairy industry and I support farmers wherever I can. So
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Speaker 2: if this is a problem, and I saw that it's
44:29
Speaker 2: been an issue this week in the media, I think
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Speaker 2: people need to understand and we encourage them.
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Speaker 3: To look a little bit closely at the labels. Absolutely good.
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Speaker 3: As I said, I bought your product, I buy her product.
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Speaker 3: I love her product, and I buy my brother in
44:41
Speaker 3: law's product. Doo. Don't you worry. I swap it between
44:43
Speaker 3: the two. But I want to support farmers. Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much. All Right, that did.
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Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the Epstein files and
44:49
Speaker 2: our international panel in a moment, national panel. But we
44:56
Speaker 2: are talking yogurt and milk everything in the break, and
45:01
Speaker 2: of course you make your own yoga, which is a
45:02
Speaker 2: fascinating insight, but we won't get to that.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to the Epstein files.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has now signed off the release of those files.
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Speaker 2: There'll be a thirty day period which the Attorney General
45:13
Speaker 2: Presumbly and a team of people will go through this
45:16
Speaker 2: treasure trove. What I'm interested is in two things, do
45:20
Speaker 2: you think there's an unex unexploded bomb out there? And two,
45:24
Speaker 2: given that the punkshop that attorney generals have to cover
45:29
Speaker 2: everything with black texture and redact detail, are we going
45:32
Speaker 2: to just get pages and pages of sort of blacked
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Speaker 2: out marks.
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Speaker 14: We will find out. I am skeptical, some would call
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Speaker 14: me cynical because of how this story has gone that
45:42
Speaker 14: I do think even if a bill passes and it's
45:44
Speaker 14: been signed as President Trump did, you can redact any
45:48
Speaker 14: unlimited portion of it. There's a reason why it wasn't
45:51
Speaker 14: released so far, and memes being protected. So I don't
45:54
Speaker 14: think that we're going to get like the whole picture
45:56
Speaker 14: of the cyber but there might be little drips and drabs,
45:59
Speaker 14: a little bit of extra incremental information that comes out.
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Speaker 14: Some names that we've always known that have been implicated
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Speaker 14: have gotten a little bit more clarity around it. Larry Summers,
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Speaker 14: he's resigned from all his positions, Bill Clinton and other names.
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Speaker 3: Former US Treasury Secretary.
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Speaker 14: And president of former president of Harvard as well. So
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Speaker 14: you might get some people like that, who get caught
46:17
Speaker 14: up in the crossbar. I think the bigger thing also
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Speaker 14: is just reshaping the narrative because this has hurt Trump
46:22
Speaker 14: with his base, and they feel that he has not
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Speaker 14: fulfilled his promise of being very transparent with how this
46:27
Speaker 14: thing was handled so far, and maybe he can turn
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Speaker 14: that around.
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Speaker 19: Michael, I think it's a diversion from the real issues
46:34
Speaker 19: that are affecting both the United States and the world.
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Speaker 19: But Marjorie Taylor green Hay, she got for the center
46:40
Speaker 19: of US politics. By raising this, she's split the president's base.
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Speaker 19: I can't see whose interest this serves. I mean, I
46:48
Speaker 19: think the evil people who were involved in it were
46:51
Speaker 19: justly punished. I suppose exposing Bill Clinton, sorry to use
46:57
Speaker 19: that word, and Larry As may have some use.
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Speaker 2: But I think that potentially why the Democrats didn't go there.
47:05
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot in there about Clinton and others,
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Speaker 3: Bill Gates potentially, you know who knows.
47:10
Speaker 2: There all been names that are thrown around, and of
47:12
Speaker 2: course it's no surprise that Trump would have known him.
47:16
Speaker 2: I just can't understand why Trump himself was so reluctant
47:20
Speaker 2: if he has got clean hands, which which even a
47:23
Speaker 2: lot of the accuses say he has why he sort
47:26
Speaker 2: of looked like he was protecting the bat.
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Speaker 19: I mean the things that are happening in with the
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Speaker 19: Saudis and with Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: March.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's go to the soudiast because we're a very
47:37
Speaker 2: interesting exchange in the press conference. I think the journalist
47:41
Speaker 2: was from the US ABC. Let's have a listen. We've
47:43
Speaker 2: got that grab.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you're royals.
47:45
Speaker 8: The U s Intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal
47:48
Speaker 8: murder of a journalist.
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Speaker 10: Nine eleven families are.
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Speaker 8: Furious that you are here in the ol why.
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Speaker 20: ABC facts as you're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial.
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Speaker 20: A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're
48:07
Speaker 20: talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him,
48:10
Speaker 20: things happened, but he knew nothing about it.
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Speaker 2: Well, whether you liked him or didn't like him, he
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Speaker 2: didn't deserve to be dismembered in a with.
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Speaker 19: A bone saw machine in the in the Saudi Constat
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Speaker 19: in Turkia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, very very uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: That's maybe very uncomfortable about sort of corruption and integrity.
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Speaker 2: And there's a trillion dollars on the table here from
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Speaker 2: the Saudis to invest in the United States, and I
48:36
Speaker 2: know he says he's not involved in his business, but
48:38
Speaker 2: the entrails of the Trump conglomerate into the Middle East.
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Speaker 19: Michael, look, here's me with my reputation defending MBS in
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Speaker 19: Saudi Arabia on the Peter Credlin program. Soberly looked at. Overall,
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Speaker 19: it's a great improvement on where Saudi Arabia was previously.
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Speaker 19: Not only can only can women drive, but they've opened
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Speaker 19: up to the world. Things are a lot less corrupt
49:06
Speaker 19: and more open and transparent than they were in the past.
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Speaker 19: That's good. However, it's no clean handed regime as this
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Speaker 19: Carga Shogi murder, even if it was by an enthusiastic
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Speaker 19: bodyguard or not.
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Speaker 3: It's just.
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Speaker 19: And Coulter, who's a right winger and a previous supporter
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Speaker 19: of Donald Trump, says this is the most corrupt presidency
49:31
Speaker 19: in US history. And after it's over, the Bitcoin and
49:34
Speaker 19: the Qatar and the airplanes and all of this is
49:38
Speaker 19: going to really come out. I think we'll see about it.
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Speaker 2: I just think he could have handled that in the room.
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Speaker 19: And he also called another journal's piggy on the airplane.
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Speaker 3: Well, Eve all of that. That's Donald Trump. Thank you
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Speaker 3: very much. I've on the weekend. That's it. I'll enjoy
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Speaker 3: my milk. You have a great weekend.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Bolt see Monday.