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The $1 Billion Question: Can Court Orders Keep Teens Safe Online? · Voices for Voices®

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• 1:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh thank you for being with us, and uh this episode is gonna be a little bit um uh straight to the point and a little bit a little bit difficult at the same time.
• 2:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so we know that uh or a lot of us know that screen time for everybody, whether children, uh whether they're young adults, adults, uh whatever age they may be, seems to be ticking up and has been for quite some time.
• 2:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we as parents and just human beings, we want we want to uh we want to make sure that we're spending as much time as we can away from the screens because uh we we know that there are a lot of studies that have been concluded, and then there's all all kinds of studies being uh being run uh at the at the current time.
• 3:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and some of those studies we're gonna talk about here today.
• 3:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh there was an article that was uh published, and we're gonna give uh the credit where credit's due.
• 3:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh this has nothing to do with politics, so it just happens to be the news outlet that um broke this story, at least for for us to be able to see it and and talk about it.
• 3:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and so this is coming from um coming from Fox News, this report, and there's probably a bunch of other news outlets that have this as well, but this is a public safety announcement, public service announcement.
• 4:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, because not only you know, I mentioned at the outset how we want to decrease screen time, one of the big areas is the big reasons why is because it's link was it's it's got an addicting manner to it, uh, where we don't want to put the phone down, we don't want to put the the iPad, the computer, the netbook, whatever, whatever screen it may be, the TV, we don't want to turn it off.
• 4:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, you know, we're streaming, you know, season and after season of our favorite shows.
• 4:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and there have been again studies that have been done, and we're gonna jump into some of that right now for this particular episode because we do share public service announcements, public safety announcements.
• 5:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We we share them for uh as many topics as we can.
• 5:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So some of you have uh signaled that we don't, that we just kind of make things up, and well, we don't.
• 5:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, I mean, I can show you right here uh that I have a story up, and I didn't write it, I didn't do the research, um, but I do agree uh with this story, and it is titled uh Meta's Child Safety Penalties near one billion dollars as court orders new teen protections.
• 5:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's a straight quote from uh the Fox Business, Fox News, uh, and Meta.
• 6:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh that's the parent of uh Facebook and I believe also Instagram right now.
• 6:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we're gonna just we're gonna read through the article verbatim and then we're gonna talk about it.
• 6:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh so here we go.
• 6:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we're quoting this.
• 6:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So a nearly one billion dollar blow to Meta.
• 6:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The tech giant is being forced to make another massive payout after a New Mexico court found Facebook and Instagram contributed to the state's youth mental health crisis.
• 6:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Meta was ordered Thursday, uh, I think this was last week, uh, to pay$567 million on top of a$375 million jury award in March, bringing its total liability in the case to nearly$142 million.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Meta must also roll out sweeping teen safety measures over the next five years, including monthly limits on Facebook and Instagram use, notification restrictions, tighter controls on adults contacting minors, human trafficking, ding ding ding.
• 7:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Where have we heard this before?
• 7:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Adults contacting minors, and safeguards for AI, artificial intelligence, chatbots, meta told Fox business, it disagrees with the ruling and plans to appeal.
• 7:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So if we look at more in depth, the court ordered changes are, and there's some bullet points here, are to delete unverified accounts for users under thirteen years of age, to block overnight and school day notifications, automatically blur nude images, restrict unknown adults from messaging minors, limit Facebook and Instagram use to ninety hours a month.
• 8:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so there's a little bit of a backstory.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In twenty twenty-three, New Mexico sued Meta over child safety risks.
• 8:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Meta's algorithms push children toward harmful content and predators.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A judge ruled Meta was a public nuisance due to its wider harm to children and society.
• 9:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so when we look at the total uh the total dollars uh that are being um levied against Meta, and so that's the$375 million from previous civil penalties, plus an additional judgment of$567 million, and that comes to a grand total at the moment of$942 million, which is just about one billion dollars.
• 9:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and and so this is Mexico, uh New Mexico, not Mexico, sorry for that, New Mexico's court.
• 9:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and I agree that there needs to be, especially as we're talking about children, okay?
• 10:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um there needs to be more safeguards in place.
• 10:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The fact that adults can contact minors is just sickening.
• 10:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, why why does an adult need to contact a minor?
• 10:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Go through the parent, go through the guardian.
• 10:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't need to contact a minor.
• 10:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Get out of here.
• 10:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And for those individuals out there who say, well, the minor came to me and asked me questions, and so um I was just helping them out and and helping them because it didn't seem like anybody else.
• 10:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, you know what you do in those cases?
• 10:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know what you do in those cases?
• 10:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You reach out to the parent or you reach out to the school, you reach out to somebody who is the adult, the guardian of that child, and let them work through this.
• 11:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let them go to therapy, to a trained therapist, trained counselor, trained psychiatrist, not some random adult that is just stepping in as if that's what their job is.
• 11:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's not, it's a hundred percent not, it's not appropriate for adults.
• 11:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean we have we have talked throughout some of our episodes about some of this activity.
• 12:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like why?
• 12:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, what activity would need to be going on for a child to feel like they can't talk to their own mom, their own dad, their own guardian about things?
• 12:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, go to the doctor, go to a counselor, go to a therapist.
• 12:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If there's one in your school, go there, get your help from a professional, and have that parent be that uh middle person, but that that parent and guardian and or guardian should be the one handling the communication from any adult to them.
• 13:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's just the way it should be.
• 13:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I wonder how many other states besides New Mexico have these laws.
• 13:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How many more children have to go missing?
• 13:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All too well known are the stories we hear about well, such and such was spending a lot a lot more time on online than they they had before.
• 13:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not sure who they were talking to.
• 13:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And sometimes, unfortunately, the the children, and for that matter the adults too.
• 14:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If somebody is looking to do harm, sometimes if not all they're looking to do harm, period.
• 14:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, a minor under the age of eighteen especially, and here we have a lot of money, right?
• 14:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So Meta's being fined close to one billion dollars.
• 14:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And Meta has all these sweeping regulations, sweeping changes that they have to do.
• 14:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They should have done it in the first place.
• 15:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It shouldn't have to come from losing a court case or having a court case, period.
• 15:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They should just do it because it's right.
• 15:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because it's right.
• 15:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How they would feel if so-and-so 60-some years old reaches out to talk to your child or your you're the guardian for a child.
• 15:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How would you feel about that?
• 15:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Would you be cool with that?
• 15:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't think so.
• 15:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And for those that say yes, you're just you're you're you're not fooling anybody.
• 16:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because if you think that's okay, then that child needs a new guardian.
• 16:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Somebody needs to step in and help that child.
• 16:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Before they disappear.
• 16:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And some unfortunately don't come back.
• 16:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I applaud New Mexico.
• 16:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you, New Mexico.
• 16:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What about the other states?
• 16:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In the United States of America.
• 16:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This is a public safety announcement, public service announcement, because again, this is happening in the public.
• 16:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Out in the public.
• 17:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That we never used to have until phones like these messaging that came come before.
• 17:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Before we had AOL, MySpace, you know, Yahoo! Messenger.
• 17:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe, maybe there's still some of those out there.
• 17:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But those were the extent of it.
• 17:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now there's so many apps out there, so many social media platforms that makes it so easy.
• 17:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it's a public service, public safety announcement, because I don't want any more children to go missing.
• 17:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want any more parents to go into their child's room and find them deceased.
• 18:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because they were extorted or sex storted.
• 18:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because somebody was pretending to be somebody who they weren't.
• 18:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And in some instances, unfortunately, the child takes their own life.
• 18:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want that to happen again.
• 18:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Ever.
• 18:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And for the parents, the guardians, the coaches, all that.
• 18:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You need to do an even better job checking in with your guardians, with your uh with your team.
• 18:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, some of this goes on unfortunately in a lot of different ways, in a lot of different places.
• 19:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Anytime there's a group gathering, this stuff can happen.
• 19:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it is unfortunate that we're even having this conversation, that I even have to have an episode about this.
• 19:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's why we're having this episode.
• 19:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because it's so darn important that we need to keep our children alive, safe.
• 19:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if a parent's not gonna do the job, you're fired.
• 19:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's like if you don't have I don't know.
• 20:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You hire somebody to do a job, they don't do it, you fire 'em.
• 20:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So by downloading, you know, the Meta's apps, Facebook, Instagram, I'm not sure if they have any others.
• 20:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They should be getting fired by these children and their parents.
• 20:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Cause all it takes is one, all it takes is one message, all it takes is one person to come into your child or children's lives to step in thinking that they're okay to talk about sex, porn cutting, you name it, with a child that's not their own, that they're not the guardian, they're not the parent of, they're not even a counselor, they're not a psychiatrist.
• 21:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because the people that do that unfortunately are up the nefarious activities.
• 21:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What an adult should do if they would ever come in contact with that, that's not their child, that's not that they're not the guardian of, they tell their parents, you tell the adult, the guardian, who is the parent andor guardian of that child.
• 21:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't just talk to them.
• 22:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just because oh well they reached out and um I just figured that I could help them out.
• 22:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, you know what?
• 22:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's great you want to think like that.
• 22:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's great you want to help people help the child even more by having them talk to their own parents, their own guardians.
• 22:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: An aunt, uncle, a cousin, mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, stepmom, stepdad.
• 22:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You get the idea.
• 22:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not somebody who, well, they messaged me, so I I just this is just what I do.
• 22:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm helping them.
• 22:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: No, you're not.
• 22:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Too many children have unfortunately will go missing because of this nonsense.
• 23:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so New Mexico, I applaud you.
• 23:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We applaud you.
• 23:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: See, we want safety and security for everybody across the world, even our enemies.
• 23:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We hope that there is safety, security.
• 23:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't want harm coming to anyone.
• 23:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: All of our shows, whether it's been hard topics, easy topics, whether we've called out a certain organization or group, we have never talked about harming those individuals.
• 23:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's a difference between law and order than I wish harm.
• 24:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because we've gotten a lot of that lately.
• 24:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: A lot of people are putting comments out there calling me a lot of names, and I'm not going to mention them here because they'll get censored.
• 24:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what you need to know, and what they need to know, is we've never once called for harm to anyone.
• 24:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Physical harm, spiritual harm, mental harm, none of that.
• 24:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You can still have law and order and still not want harm to come to a person or persons or organizations.
• 24:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so I kindly ask that we lower that temperature down.
• 25:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Cause that's where we start talking about the bystanders and the upstanders.
• 25:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The bystanders are the people just let those comments go, and they even sometimes add fuel to the fire, and let's do this, let's do that, let's do all these.
• 25:18
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: An upstander steps in and says, Hey everybody, what are we talking about?
• 25:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's one thing to not be on somebody's side, but it's a whole nother thing.
• 25:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The sitting there and wishing harm.
• 25:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because it just adds it'll just add more fuel.
• 26:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So as a country, as a nation, as a world, as a human being, let's do more helping.
• 26:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm not talking about the helping of well, somebody from my church reached out, or somebody, and and so I was just helping them out.
• 26:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, I'm not talking about that type of helping.
• 26:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm talking about getting getting that child or children's family, guardian, getting them involved, school counselor, somebody who's a professional and is actually connected to that child.
• 26:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or in some cases, those adults.
• 27:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know how many other states we have.
• 27:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This was New Mexico.
• 27:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not time to sit.
• 27:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's time to stand.
• 27:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not time to be a bystander and watch things go by because we've watched too many things go by.
• 27:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We look at each other and go, well, I can't believe that happened.
• 27:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That will never happen around me in the next potentially period of time.
• 27:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe something like that happens, goes, Oh, I can't believe it happened here.
• 27:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Folks, hey, if we're just gonna watch it go by and we're not gonna take a stand, what do we think is gonna happen?
• 27:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's not be a bystander, let's be an upstander.
• 28:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We've heard the phrase over and over again.
• 28:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If you see or hear something, you say something, and so I'm seeing something, I'm hearing something, I'm saying something, and I just have a teeny teeny teeny teeny tiny microphone.
• 28:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's it.
• 28:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I just got a teeny teeny teeny tiny microphone with voices for voices and our podcast and TV show.
• 28:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, I do this.
• 28:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can help one child, one individual from stepping off that ledge from Xing out of that chat box, that chat window when somebody you don't recognize.
• 29:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You talk to your mom, your dad, aunt, your uncle, or your guardian, whoever.
• 29:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let them figure that out.
• 29:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're a child, go play, have some fun, and let's try to stay away from screens.
• 29:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That goes for adults too.
• 29:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, thank you for joining us on this episode of the show.
• 29:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So happy to have you with us, so humbled and grateful that you could spend any time with the Voices for Voices family.
• 29:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, until next time, let's be a voice for not just us, but maybe somebody else in need that isn't able to share their voice.
• 29:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And let's celebrate the voices of the world.
• 29:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's have some law and order, but then let's also celebrate those voices.
• 29:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Those professionals, those people that are truly wanting to help.
• 30:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not stepping into a role with no training, no expertise.
• 30:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, I pray that New Mexico is not the last state that has some of these elements in these these cases.
• 30:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Let's all do our part.
• 30:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And lastly, if we see or hear something, we gotta say something.
• 30:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If somebody's not listening, we go above.
• 30:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's somebody's not listening, we go above.
• 30:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The voices for voices platform is one of those spots.
• 31:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We just got a teeny teeny tiny microphone, teeny tiny megaphone.
• 31:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we can help one person at a time.
• 31:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll see you next time.
• 31:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're sending our love and support your way, and we'll see you on the next show.
• 31:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.