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LNC Gets Upfront About Things · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the larger Nurdrun Collider podcast, the
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  Speaker 1: podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in the
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  Speaker 1: world around us and how very excited we are about them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ariel cast In, back from vacation, and with me
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  Speaker 1: as always is my ever wonderful friend and co host
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland.
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  Speaker 2: One of us is heavily medicated, and it's not me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been dealing with a sore back for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months and I'm close to getting to
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  Speaker 1: the bottom of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, here's hoping that we discover and eradicate the
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  Speaker 2: thing that makes my very dear friend uncomfortable and in pain,
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  Speaker 2: because I want her to have a pain free life.
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  Speaker 1: Me too. And when I was talking to the Ortho
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, what do you like doing, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I like dance and musical theater, and I like doing
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  Speaker 1: stunts and stage combat. I'd really love to get back
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  Speaker 1: to that. They're like, Okay, we'll keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I would love to do one
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  Speaker 2: more stage combat show before I just hang it up
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  Speaker 2: because I had so much fun doing that. That was
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  Speaker 2: my favorite thing in the toward the end of my
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  Speaker 2: Renfest career was doing stage combat and I miss it,
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  Speaker 2: and again I would love to do one more before
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  Speaker 2: it's all done, but I suspect that I might be
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  Speaker 2: that might just be a thing that's in my past
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  Speaker 2: at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I could do it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't do any snapmarees, which is where somebody
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  Speaker 1: kneels down and grabs your head and you flip over
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  Speaker 1: and you land on like your feet and then you
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  Speaker 1: fall on your butt, but I could probably well, depending
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  Speaker 1: on everything, I could probably do a front roll again
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  Speaker 1: at some point in time. That's my goal. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: out of shape now because when you're laying with hell
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  Speaker 1: stuff everybody knows it takes. It makes it harder to recover.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm working on it.
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  Speaker 2: So especially especially when it's your back, Like when it's
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  Speaker 2: your back like that so limits the things you can
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  Speaker 2: do to be active that you know it's it's it
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  Speaker 2: becomes like a catch twenty two Like until you get
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  Speaker 2: it figured out, it's really hard to find a way
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  Speaker 2: to be active that's not going to complicate things. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your's hoping.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been working with physical therapists for a while
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  Speaker 1: and a personal trainer. My personal trainer is amazing and awesome,
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  Speaker 1: and she's able to work my PT in and also
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  Speaker 1: give me exercises that both accomplish the goals I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to meet and also help with my recovery. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: through going through this PT when they're like, well, your
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  Speaker 1: back hurts because you're not using your abdominal muscles to support.
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  Speaker 1: So you're like, you're that posture that can that can
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  Speaker 1: hurt it back, that's a legit thing. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I've been working on strengthening my core muscles for a
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  Speaker 1: while until it throws out my back, and then I'm
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  Speaker 1: down for a week, and then I work on it
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  Speaker 1: again until it throws out my back. So and like
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  Speaker 1: some of the PT I was doing was aggravating my
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  Speaker 1: back pain instead of helping it despite the adjustments that
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  Speaker 1: the PT was telling me to do, which is when
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  Speaker 1: I decided to go see go get it checked up further.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, always if you are able to I
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  Speaker 1: know Jonathan said this the other day, if you've got
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  Speaker 1: something that you feel is wrong, if you're able to
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  Speaker 1: get it checked out or get a second opinion or
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  Speaker 1: follow up on it, please do, because it can save
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  Speaker 1: you a lot of trouble down the line. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you think you've got a pulled muscle and it
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  Speaker 1: turns out to be something more serious, the sooner you
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  Speaker 1: catch it, the better you are, the more likely you
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  Speaker 1: are to be able to get it fixed.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Like, if I hadn't listened to my
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  Speaker 2: own body back when I was having that incredible migrain,
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  Speaker 2: I might not be here right now, because that's how
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  Speaker 2: bad things got back in December January of you know,
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  Speaker 2: December last year January this year.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and my current medical team is listening to
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  Speaker 1: me and that's great, But in the past, this is
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  Speaker 1: especially predominant for you know, if you're a woman listening
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  Speaker 1: to this show.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna sound familiar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have like gone in for a sprained ankle
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  Speaker 1: or soar back in the past and been basically kind
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  Speaker 1: of like shamed, like why are you coming in for this?
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  Speaker 1: Why aren't you just stretching? And you know, now I
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  Speaker 1: might I don't know what's going on, so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to go into my health stuff, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like I'm worried about being seen as a hypochondriac.
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  Speaker 1: But better to be a hypochondriac and catch something if
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  Speaker 1: there is something wrong and be told there's nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: If there's nothing wrong, then to not catch something that's
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  Speaker 1: wrong and living being in a discomfort or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So and we also we both have had times in
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  Speaker 2: the past where we felt the pressure to push through
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  Speaker 2: even when things weren't well. I mean, there's an infamous
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  Speaker 2: story of Ariel and the Renaissance Festival of getting our
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  Speaker 2: hands split open and having to get staples put in
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  Speaker 2: and then coming back to finish the day.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I finished my last I missed one fight. It
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  Speaker 1: was stitches and I had a lot of light it
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  Speaker 1: cane put into my finger and I still felt it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I came back and I finished my last
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  Speaker 1: three fights of the day, but because my middle finger
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  Speaker 1: had been split open, I was flicking everybody off the entire.
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  Speaker 2: Time, which was only fitting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I chose to come back. I could
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  Speaker 1: have taken the day. I wanted to come back and
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  Speaker 1: finish it. But there's a whole conversation to be had
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  Speaker 1: around I think we had it when the pandemic started
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  Speaker 1: around unhealthy practices in theater and the kind of internal
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  Speaker 1: pressure you have the show must goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's deeply ingrained. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: like you point to any one source as being the
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  Speaker 2: fault of it. It is a cultural thing that has
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  Speaker 2: developed over centuries. So it's you know, there's good things
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  Speaker 2: and bad things about it. Like I've seen people step
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  Speaker 2: up when otherwise, you know, something would just fall apart
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  Speaker 2: and do an incredible job. And I've seen things where
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  Speaker 2: someone who really needed to look after themselves didn't because
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  Speaker 2: of the fear of what that would do to the
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  Speaker 2: impact of a show. And yeah, the good and bad.
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  Speaker 2: But you gotta be really like, when I take a
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  Speaker 2: step back and I'm not active in that community anymore,
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  Speaker 2: I take a much more critical eye to it than
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  Speaker 2: I used to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like I'm watching so you think you can
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  Speaker 1: dance right now? It's a very different format. I still
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  Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about it. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the dancers in the Finalists, one of the Finalists has
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  Speaker 1: an injured hip and has been dealing with an injured
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  Speaker 1: hip for the last two episodes. That hurts a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and she just keeps pushing through because if she doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: she's going to lose the role. So part of it
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  Speaker 1: is not even like from your director of like, oh
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  Speaker 1: you're sick or you're hurt, you have to come in
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  Speaker 1: because we can't do the show without you. It's your
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  Speaker 1: own personal pressure of I don't want to lose this opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to let people down, especially if you're
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  Speaker 1: a responsible person. You're like, I can't put this onus
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  Speaker 1: on everybody else, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And I don't want to. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: end up screwing up an opportunity, because you never know
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  Speaker 2: when an opportunity is going to be the one or
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  Speaker 2: the last one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, another Renfest time, I had actually thrown my back
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  Speaker 1: out on the way to Renfest and I was in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pain. It was back when my mom
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  Speaker 1: and I were working together. And we got there and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't go on, and I hung out
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  Speaker 1: in the in the cast trailer for half the day,
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  Speaker 1: and then the second half of the day I was
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  Speaker 1: starting to get some mobility back, and you're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: move around with the back, and so the director's like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're starting to feel better, go out, walk around
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  Speaker 1: the ferry. You don't have to sit in the trailer
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  Speaker 1: all day. So I did, and I got in trouble
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  Speaker 1: for walking around fair and doing stuff because the fight
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  Speaker 1: director at the time thought that I was faking my
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  Speaker 1: back injury and being irresponsible and putting somebody else in
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  Speaker 1: a position, even though we all had understudies for a reason.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you not please let me explain
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  Speaker 1: my mindset to you, because I would not ever give
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  Speaker 1: up an opportunity to perform never ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, especially especially combat. Let me tell you, if
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  Speaker 2: you have the prospect of Ariel getting to kick butt
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  Speaker 2: and or have her butt kicked, she's gonna take it.
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  Speaker 1: But I might have been put on proboshit probation the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the year and made understudy because of that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm knowing you, Ariel. I know for
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  Speaker 2: a fact, like you are not one to shirk combat.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's like that's like a draw for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it speaks to my little Bard. It sings
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  Speaker 1: to my little bard burying heart. This was not the
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  Speaker 1: conversation we were gonna have. But Jonathan, totally, that's I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I throw, I throw monkey wrenches into gear works.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we're going to We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff today. It turns out there
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  Speaker 2: were a lot of things to talk about because of upfronts.
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  Speaker 2: But first I thought we would start off as we
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  Speaker 2: typically do, by talking about some of the stuff what
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  Speaker 2: we have seen recently.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So, despite being in Chicago, I did watch some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I rewatched half of Fifth Element that holds up pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, yeah, so you watched you watched two
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  Speaker 2: fifths Elements?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, two point five oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: On the way to Chicago, I watched the new Mean Girls,
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  Speaker 1: which I will say, if you haven't watched the original
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  Speaker 1: and you aren't super familiar with the musical, it's an
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  Speaker 1: enjoyable enough movie. Like, the performances are fine, the character
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  Speaker 1: casting is good, the characters are good. I haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: all of the musical. I've mainly listened to some of
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  Speaker 1: the music. I think they cut one of the songs.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a song Jonathan in Mean Girls the musical
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  Speaker 1: that's about like, don't text this guy, don't be thirsty?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called just Stop and it is a big
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  Speaker 2: number in the musical, and it also has possibly the
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  Speaker 2: most uncomfortable line in the entire show.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was not in the movie as far
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  Speaker 1: as I can remember, but I had a a baby
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  Speaker 1: friend who was distracting me a little bit on the plane.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, there is something to be said about Like again,
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  Speaker 1: performances were fine, the singing was good. There was just
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  Speaker 1: something missing in the intensity of the music. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's just because of the adjustment of
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  Speaker 1: it going onto film or the way you have to
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  Speaker 1: perform on film versus a stage, but I do feel
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  Speaker 1: it was lacking a little something. But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that was the fault of the actors or probably the director.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the issue oftentimes of bringing musicals to film.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only seen clips and I've heard some of
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  Speaker 2: the songs from the film, and like you, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the arrangements they made for the movie are a
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  Speaker 2: little lackluster. Like I love the song Stupid with Love.
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  Speaker 2: I love that song. I think it's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fun in the original stage version and when I heard,
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  Speaker 2: because I still haven't seen it, I've only heard, but
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  Speaker 2: I heard the movie version of that song and I
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  Speaker 2: was really disappointed in that particular. Not no shade upon
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  Speaker 2: the actress, but in the arrangement.
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  Speaker 1: I might have fast forwarded a little bit through that
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  Speaker 1: one and a couple other of the slow ones, and
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  Speaker 1: then on the way home I watched two thirds three
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  Speaker 1: quarters of the movie Freelance, which is John Cena and
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  Speaker 1: Alison Brie. It's about a guy who went to school
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  Speaker 1: to be a lawyer, realized that wasn't for him, went
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  Speaker 1: into the Special Forces, got injured, got kicked out of
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  Speaker 1: the Special Forces, went back to being a lawyer, and
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  Speaker 1: was feeling discontent with life. And then his old friend
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  Speaker 1: played by Christian Slater, calls him up and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I almost send you to this country to be a
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  Speaker 1: bodyguard for this reporter Alison Frie, and it happens to
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  Speaker 1: be the country of the guy who he was going
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  Speaker 1: after in the Special Forces. Surprisingly delightful movie, very like
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  Speaker 1: like along the lines of Romancing the Stone and Lost
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  Speaker 1: City of d I expected it to be more like Taken,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It's it's not too gory. There is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of violence and there is some gore, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not too gory. It's not too gross as far
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  Speaker 1: as like language and content and potty jokes. It's not
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  Speaker 1: too sexy like. I didn't finish the movie, but I
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  Speaker 1: actually I want you finish it. I actually quite liked.
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  Speaker 2: It a lot. Okay, yeah, I love Alison Brie and
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  Speaker 2: I would like John Cena, but I can't see him.
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  Speaker 1: I watched the two new episodes of Doctor Who. It
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  Speaker 1: almost made talking babies bearable to me, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: like that effect. They did the best they could with it. Also,
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  Speaker 1: there was some childish humor in it in that episode
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  Speaker 1: of Space Babies, and then the second episode had to
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  Speaker 1: do with music. Jinx Monsoon played the villain. I have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of friends who absolutely loved it. I have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of friends who thinks I think it missed
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  Speaker 1: the mark, and I'm kind of in the middle. I
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  Speaker 1: like Jin's Monsoon. I think she's a great performer. I
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  Speaker 1: felt like there were times where her over the top
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  Speaker 1: crazy just read as a little bit forced or fake
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  Speaker 1: to me, But she also had these incredibly genuine moments
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  Speaker 1: that were just like really good and really really like foreboding.
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  Speaker 1: So I liked it and I want all of her
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  Speaker 1: outfits in that episode and then and then I also
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  Speaker 1: watched I caught up on a bunch of dropout television,
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  Speaker 1: including Smarty Pants, which this week there was an entire
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: presentation on how similar WWE and DRAG are And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you watched that, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet, but I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it will really resonate with me.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, I think so. So that's that's what
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  Speaker 1: I have watched. What have you watched?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I started watching Dead Boy Detectives, which is weird
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  Speaker 2: because it's a show where I like like all the
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  Speaker 2: all the secondary and supporting characters, as well as the
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  Speaker 2: the the psychic, the human psychic, and I don't care
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  Speaker 2: for the two ghosts very much. I don't Their performances
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  Speaker 2: are not working for me, which is unfortunate because those
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  Speaker 2: are the Dead Boy Detectives, those are the two main characters.
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  Speaker 2: But like I'm enjoying the show, I just don't like
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  Speaker 2: their I don't like their characters. I guess I should
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  Speaker 2: say like the performances I'm not. I'm not crazy about,
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  Speaker 2: but I would argue a lot of that is informed
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  Speaker 2: by the characters they're playing. When one of your characters
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  Speaker 2: is a smug, snobby turn of the night, turn of
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  Speaker 2: the twentieth century English schoolboy, it's hard to win me
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  Speaker 2: over characters. Characters who were born of privilege, even if
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  Speaker 2: they were subsequently sacrificed to the debil, are hard for
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  Speaker 2: me to hard for me to sympathize with. So spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, but yeah, okay, it's not really. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's how he dies, like it's that's revealed in the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning of the show, that that's how that was
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  Speaker 2: how he met his end. I think it's the actual
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: shows are interesting. It's always hard for me to get
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  Speaker 2: a handle on Neil gaiman inspired or created pieces because
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  Speaker 2: he gets he gets whimsical and dark in ways that
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  Speaker 2: are sometimes hard for me to connect with, and that
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  Speaker 2: certainly is the case with Dead Boy Detectives. I absolutely adore.
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  Speaker 2: There's a witch character who is the worst. She is
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  Speaker 2: horrible and I love her so much. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, it's also about extremely thirsty.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very very thirsty show, really, particularly for the
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  Speaker 2: LGBTQ crowd. It is. There are a lot of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of extremely fit young men lusting after each other
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  Speaker 2: in that show, and I mean they handle it well.
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  Speaker 2: It's not there's no objection here, it's just an observation.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been watching that, but that actually inspired me
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  Speaker 2: to go and finally watch some episodes of The Sandman,
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  Speaker 2: which I haven't ever seen. I'd read comics like I
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  Speaker 2: read most of the early issues of The Sandman through
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  Speaker 2: up up to the Dolls House saga. I read through that,
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  Speaker 2: so very early episodes issues rather, so I've gotten through
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  Speaker 2: most of that, although I'm still in the story of
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  Speaker 2: the Corinthian and how desire and despair are taking aim dream.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it's a show where I like all the
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  Speaker 2: supporting characters, but I'm not crazy about the protagonist.
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  Speaker 1: Death is the best part of The Sandman, and she
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  Speaker 1: shows up in two episodes which happened to be my
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  Speaker 1: two different episodes of the show. I think it's because
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  Speaker 1: she's a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I like her a lot. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: her first episode. I mean that one. It's it's very
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  Speaker 2: close to the comic book that was that was you know,
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  Speaker 2: inspired that particular episode. It's very very close, up to
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  Speaker 2: the point where I was surprised that they included the
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  Speaker 2: part with the baby. No spoilers, but it's rough. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's a very rough scene, but it comes from the
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  Speaker 2: comic as well, so I knew what to expect. When
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  Speaker 2: it happened, and it just told me that this is
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  Speaker 2: a show Shay can't watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, like I said, I'm enjoying it, but it's and
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and again, no shade on the actor playing Dream. Dream
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: is written in such a way as to be detached,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: so that he's doing his job. He's playing the character
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the way the character is meant to be played. It's
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: just that a character who in comics was distant becomes
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: even more or so when he's being performed in another medium,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and that that is hard for me to connect to.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I agree. Have you skipped the Diner episode yet?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: No? I watched it. It was hard because that particular
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, that issue gave me nightmares when I read it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: But I watched it. I knew what was happening when
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it started. I was like, well, this is the episode,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: let's see where And it was different. It was different
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: from the issue in several, like not important ways, but
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: little ways, like the general message was exactly the same,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: but the details were different.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Did not like that episode.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It is a rough one, but David Thulis does a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: great job as John d He is absolutely terrifying. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: so that's what I watched. I watched those things and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: not much else, Like I've a lot of the same
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: kind of goofy stuff. I've been watching a lot of
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: videos about the al Veas Animal Sanctuary run by Maya
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Heiga or Higa. She's a streamer and she has an
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: animal sanctuary out in Texas and they recently got a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: couple of wolf dogs in their sanctuary. So I've been
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: watching that a lot because it's wholesome and it's like,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: it's all about messaging about conservation. And she is young,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: she's like in her mid twenties. And the fact that
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: she's accomplished this and leveraged a successful career in streaming
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to create an actual animal sanctuary that operates as a
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: full nonprofit and meets like state and federal regulations to
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: prove that, you know, operations are safe and following the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: best practices. That's just so impressive to me that someone
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: can do that, and she's so young and like she
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: just you just get the feeling that she's got a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: frickin rip on this. It's really inspiring.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: That's super awesome. Yeah, I like watching very uplifting, fun
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: content lately. That's no surprise to anybody.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: You definitely need to listeners. You definitely need to watch
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: one of her videos where she's giving a tour to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to one of her other streamer friends. She's had tons
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: of different people from the streaming world, most of whom
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know because they're all like twenty years younger
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: than I am. But it's so fun to watch these
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: streamers who are kind of geared toward audience engagement, having
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to deal with things like holding an African bullfrog in
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: their hands and stuff like that. It's really entertaining.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I would love to hold an African bullfrog in my hand.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: His name is Georgie and he's the second biggest species
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of frog in the world.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I absolutely love it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So we didn't super talk about the order you wanted
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to do things. Do you do you want to thirty
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: seconds or less? What do you want to do next?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: We can do our little in Memoriam very quickly because
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: so when we were off last week, we got word
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: about Bernard Hill, the actor, passing away. He was Theodin
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: in the Lord of the Rings movies. He's was also
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: in Titanic. He's been in lots and lots of stuff,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: very very prolific character actor, so that was very sad
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that we heard of his passing. We also heard of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the passing of legendary Hollywood producer Roger Korman, responsible for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: getting more movies made than just about anybody on crazy
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: shoe string budgets. He's the guy who made the original
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: film version of Little Shop of Horrors, the non musical
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: version had Jack Nicholson in it as the masochistic tol
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: A patient. He also was the producer behind the best
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: so far adaptation of The Fantastic Four.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then there's also like Shark to.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Plus Oh no, he made some real crap. Yeah, or
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he pused some real crap, but no.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: The versus Wail.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The thing about Roger Corman was that he was just
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: very good at getting funding for movies and running movies
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on a tight budget. He just that was his reputation
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: was that if you needed a movie made, and you
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: need it made on the cheap, Roger Corman was a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: guy who could get it done. It didn't mean that
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the finished film was going to be a classic or
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: be brilliant, but it would get made. And there's quite
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a few movies that he was responsible for that are
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like I think, either cult classics or legit classics. But yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: there's a mountain of stuff that's just kind of trash.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but sad for both of their passings. It's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: sad when anybody passes, but especially when people who are
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: so prolific to the geek is sphere.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Roger Corman was responsible for a lot
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of stuff that influenced me as a kid, because, like
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I was one of those kids who was watching real
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: low budget sci fi and action films on like the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: local cable stations like TBS and stuff, and Roger Corman
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: was responsible for probably ninety five percent of them.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice, responsible or to blame No, I'm.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Kidding either way. I mean tomato, tomato. So that's that's
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it for the d memoriam so far. But I guess
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: now we can segue on over to thirty seconds or less.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And here's the fun thing. I'm now realizing if we
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: didn't tell you, guys, you'd never know they were different segments.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we have to say it out
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: loud so that I know to get the music cue
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: when I'm editing them. Yeah, so I will get started
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: right now. It's been more than a decade since Vin
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Diesel donned the silver contact lenses of his Riddic character
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that was first introduced in the two thousand sci fi
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: action film Pitch Black. But now a new Riddick film
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: is scheduled to begin shooting in late August. Diesel bought
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the rights to the franchise and returned for doing more
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of his Vroom Vroom action movies many years ago. The
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: new film will be called Fury, which is the name
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: of Riddick's home planet, has nothing to do with Furiosa
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: or Fury Road, much to my my I wish, I mean,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I just wish.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I thought. I thought the same, and then I also
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: read bleep yah a second time through. Nintendo is announcing
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that they will be announcing a successor to the Switch.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: The Switch has been around for about a decade yea.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, though, they're announcing that they'll announce
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it in March of twenty twenty five, not it there
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: direct in June, so there's still quite a ways to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: wait to find out what that next console thing will be.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know if it'll be another Switch or
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: if it'll be something different. It's just it's sitch. The
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: announcement will come out before the end of the fiscal year, which,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: as Ariel was saying, the end of Nintendo's fiscal year
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: ends like March thirty first, So.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it won't be the Nintendo Switch, It'll be the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Nintendo's same Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Well, I had thought that Peter Jackson was
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: done in Middle Earth after the Hobbit films, but such
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: is not the case. He is working on a script
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: for a film centering on Gollum, and Andy Serkis is
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: slated to star and direct it. Jackson's role beyond how
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: helping the story, is not entirely clear, but he's attached
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to work on two films at the very least. Here's
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: hoping the Gollam movie is better than the Hobbit films
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and much better than the recent Gollum computer game.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Next is news. That's old. That is now news again.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, it was announced that Sidney Sweeney
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: would be involved in a remake of Barbarella, Jane Fonda's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: classic sexy I don't know, cult classic sexy sci fi
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: from I think the seventies. Now it's back in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: news because they are talking to Edgar Wright to direct.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I do like Edgar Wright's work, and Jane Goldman and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Honey Ross will also be working on the script. Jane
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Goldman has worked on stuff like kick Ass and Kingsman
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and X Men First Class, all things that I like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I don't They're going to have to make some significant
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: changes to the story to make it something I feel
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: is worthy of a reboot.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's putting it lightly. Yeah, as I told Ariel, there's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of cleafage in that movie.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I mean that shouldn't be the like I mean, it's Barberella.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Of course there is.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like if you did a red
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Sonia film, you have to like, it's all cheesecake. It's
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: from a cheesecake era.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Look, I just didn't think Barbarella was the strongest of characters.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I do like Kingsman though, and I like kick Ass,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and so maybe they will revamp the character in a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: way that is new and fresh while still also being
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: true to the original IP. I don't know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: If nothing else, we know that the soundtrack will be killer,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: because Edgar Wright just he thinks in terms of music.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So there's that at least, all right. Well, The Hollywood
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Reporter says that Sigourney Weaver is in talks to join
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the Star Wars universe, and this would be for the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: upcoming film currently titled The Mandalorian and Grogu, which is
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: an awful title. Jon Favreau will direct the film. That's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a positive. Pedro Pascal is pretty busy and the film
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: is supposed to start shooting this year. So my guess
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: is Internet Zaddi is mostly going to be doing his
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: work as voiceover.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I would bet the same. Speaking of Internet Zaddy, Fantastic
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: four has some new casting announcements because Patrick Pascal is
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: mister Fantastic first, Ralph Inoson will be playing Galactis.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: The Eater destroyer, devower of Worlds.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's in between destroyer and eater devour. Yes,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the devourer of worlds. My friends have a cat named Galactus,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: so yeah, it's awesome. It's a great cat. Also, they've
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: cast John Malkovich. I couldn't remember his name for a second.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I almost Saidavid Lynch, and they're very different people. We
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: don't know who John Malkovich is. They've also cast Natasha
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Leone in a role that we don't know. My worries
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that she's going to be female. The thing and I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: know I said I didn't want to be female the Thing.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be the thing, but female the Thing
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: would be a good second runner up. And I like Natashillian.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: She's definitely better at dry humor than me. But if
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that's the case, I will be just ever so slightly sad.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: It's possible she'll be playing like she could play Ben
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Grimm's love interest, right, because there's that character in the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: comics who's blind. Wheah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: She could also play someone completely outside of her normal
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: character castings.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean her voice is gonna like the President,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that's true. I would not listen. I'll vote for her. Okay.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I watched a trailer for a film called The Demon
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Disorder and I did not make Arie'll watch it. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: want that to be clear. A movie.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Watch it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: It's a movie that's coming to shut her and as
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the name implies, it's tapping into that rich tapestry of
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: demonic possession films. It's an Australian movie and the trailer
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: has a lot of disturbing imagery in it. But the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: editing of the trailer I don't like it. It's I
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: think the editing is terrible. I hope the movie is
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: much better, but it looks pretty gnarly, so fans of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: those kinds of films should check it out when it
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: comes to Shutter this fall. I'll probably watch it because it,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: like the body horror in that trailer is intense. But
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like I said that, don't watch the trailer. It's just bad.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I think the movie is going to be way better.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Gotcha. Lastly? Oh no, lastly for me and our thirty
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: seconds or last I caught it this time. Aha. The
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: new Supergirl Millie Alcock, you know from House of the Dragon,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: has been It has been announced when her new Supergirl movie,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Supergirl World, Woman of Tomorrow is coming out, and that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is June twenty sixth, twenty twenty six. Probably purposeful on
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the twenty six, twenty sixth thing, because you won't forget it, probably,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: but that gives them a lot of time to work
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: on it, so hopefully it'll be good.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Here's the really weird thing, Ariel, that's my birthday.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Happy birthday.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fifty one when that movie comes out.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I disbelieve I disbelieve that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I mean I don't believe it either.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, if you're itching for more john Wick
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: material and ballet is not your thing beyond the lookout
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: for a different spinoff movie. And this one's gonna follow
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the character of Kine, who appeared in john Wick Chapter
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: four and was played by Donnie Yen. Kine is and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I bet you're never gonna believe this an assassin in
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the john Wick universe, and Yen plans to come back
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and play the character again. And it's an untitled and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: as yet unwritten movie. Robert Askins is writing the screenplay.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I like Donny En. I'm tired of John Wick.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not big on the john Wick stuff. Honestly,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: it's not really my thing. I've I think i've watched
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: part two all the way through, and all the rest
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I've kind of scrubbed through. And yeah, I while I
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: can appreciate the cinematography and the stunt coordination and all
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, the more I watch it, any
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of the john Wick stuff, the more ludicrous that world
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: looks to me, because it really does come across that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: literally every single person living in that universe is an assassin.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I watched one and two and
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I liked them. I don't think i've watched three yet
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: maybe I watched three? How many? So this is chapter four?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: No, chapter four has already come out this Donnie Yen
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: is doing a spinoff.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so I've at least watched the first two.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe I have watched the first three. I don't remember.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's all mad Assassins. They kind of sadly blend together.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: It's not I think anybody's doing a poor job.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It's just that. Yeah, no, I hear you. I've watched.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I've watched most of the first three. I've only seen
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: clips from the fourth one, And yeah, I feel the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: same way.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mad Assassins is a great name for a band
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: or a TV show though.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have some stuff to chat about. One
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: of the first things is kind of I grouped it
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: all together because the upfronts happened over the last couple
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: of weeks. And in case you're not familiar with that term,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: upfronts is when a media company will do a presentation
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: announcing upcoming projects, and it's all usually in an effort
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: to get advertisers on board or sometimes media buyers on board,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: so that you're exciting the folks who will be funding
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: your work. Like essentially this, these are your I mean,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in some ways, these are your customers. So upfront, typically
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of companies will pull out a lot of
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: stops in an effort to really impress advertisers, so you
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: get a lot of stars appearing at these things. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that was the case for the last couple of weeks.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Lots of companies held their upfronts, and I had Netflix, Disney,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and Amazon specifically pulled out to chat about only because
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: these are ones that were making more of the geeky stuff.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Like originally I did have a story in here about
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the regular broadcast stations, but honestly, there's not really any
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: genre kind of stuff on their slates. It's all what
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: you would expect. It's all police procedurals or medical procedurals
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: or relash game TV.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I don't know other than more of the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: same of what's successful on Netflix, I don't really know
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: what they're doing that's geeky, Yeah, that's new. However, two
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: interesting things from their upfront to me and you probably
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have more to talk about, is one they the geeky
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: thing is they had a bunch of like interactive experiences
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: based off of things like Stranger Things and squid games
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and some of the more popular properties. I think they
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: had a bridgerd and tea party, which is better than
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: some other Bridgerton stuff they could have done that was interactive.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But the thing that I thought was interesting is Mindy
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Kaling has a basketball show coming out with Kate Hudson,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: which what a pair uh and was joking about, Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: we'll put whatever ads we want in it, and Netflix
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: is like, We're going to be real specific here. Our
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: ads are going to be strategic and we hope we'll
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: add value to the viewers. We're not just going to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: throw whatever ads want to buy time in there. We're
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: going to really try to make it purposeful to what
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the person is watching and what their interests are based
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on what they're watching. Hopefully that's the case. We all know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not as anti commercial as many other people. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: used to love watching them as a kid to be like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: oh that's a new toy I didn't know about. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I still don't mind because I don't shop a lot,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: so sometimes I still learn new things that interest me.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: And I also know that if you don't want to
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: pay premiums for your streaming, that's the other way to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: support it. So if you want your shows to have
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: more support that's other than watching them. That's you either
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: pay for a higher subscription or you pay for commercial
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So I don't mind that. I think it's really interesting though,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: because that's something that could possibly rub advertisers the wrong way.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad they're stating it. I hope they stick
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really smart move, and I think
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of similar to my own personal approach
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: to ads when I run ads on my other show,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like when I run ads on tech stuff, I always
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: want to make sure that I approve ads that I
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: feel are aligned with the show and with my audience,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And if they're not, then I'm like, listen, your advertising
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: money is going to be better spent advertising on a
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: different show because my audience is not going to respond
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: well to it, and you have spent time and money
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: putting these ads together. You should definitely find the platforms
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that best fit so that you get the best return.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I want that for everyone. I want my listeners to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: not be bombarded by ads that aren't relevant or are
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: even insulting, and I want the advertisers to get the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: listeners they need, like the actual customers to connect to them.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: So to me, like, this is one of those no
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: brainer kind of approach, which is that the industry just
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: has been lagging on largely because it's hard to do.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Like it's it's a lot easier to sell bundles than
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it is to sell individual ad spots. So I think
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: it's a great approach. It'll be curious to see if
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that's how it actually plays out when we see it
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: really in full effect. As for the participatory stuff, personally,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for me, the thing I would want to participate in
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is it's been a very long time since I climbed
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: into a WWE wrestling ring and they had one there,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and I would have loved to have done it again.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's you know. I had a family friend,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: one of one of my my sister's parents, told me
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that I really missed the market in life by not
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: becoming a wrestler between my like for doing stage combat
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and drama. And I kind of sometimes feel that way.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: If I can get back up to snuff, it's something
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I would like to try once, maybe not full force.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, like, if you think your
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: back is hurting, now, let me tell you that's that's
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: like a guarantee for wrestlers if they stay in it
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: for any linked because I mean you're hitting, you're landing
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: on your back on a hard surface. Like I've put
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a ring together, and it is amazing how little, how
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: how unforgiving those rings are. You think at first when
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you're a kid that they're kind of springy. They are not.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is why sports tend to be like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a younger person thing, because just you, you bounce back easier.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Had I had a friend when he was younger. I
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have a friend when he was younger did a TLC
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: circuit in wrestling, So yeah, it can be rough.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're doing tables, ladders and chairs, you're man. Yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: that's a short career you're looking for.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on on the what you what you?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: What you had to say about the commercials was very
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: insightful and awesome because you're awesome, Jonathan, You're very sweet.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Did we talk last week, Well, we didn't talk last
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: week at all, But do we talk previously about the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: fact that Disney and Hulu and Max are going to
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: be releasing a bundle?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Uh we I think we mentioned it. There's also another
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: bundle that's been announced since then with Comcast talking about
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: uh uh, I forget which ones are a bundle together
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: in that one, but we're getting so many different bundles
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: now that the streaming landscape is slowly morphing into what
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: cable television was.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say that I hope
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: that as they do this, as they integrate ads back in,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: because they will, that they also take this Netflix approach,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: because I get so I get so tired when I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: do put something on on network TV, because it's nice
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to be like, I don't I used to pay for
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Hulu Life. I don't right now, but it would be
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: nice to be like, I want to watch something, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I have no clue what that is, and instead of
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: flipping through a thousand streaming channels and being like there's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: too many options and I don't know, I'd be like, oh,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: this thing is playing on this channel. I've wanted to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: check it out or something, and then I could possibly
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: watch a bunch of stuff. But I got really really
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: tired of like AARP commercials in the middle of it
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: because it's the daytime, and they suspect old people watch
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: TV during the day. After the pandemic, lots of people
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: do I know a lot of people like to have
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it on kind of in the background as they work.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and for me, like when I'm watching streaming stuff,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: it doesn't happen all the time, but it seems to
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: happen in waves where the streaming services I'm on the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: ones that are ADS supported, and I'm not subscribed at
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a higher level, I tend to get out of the blue.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'll start getting ads in Spanish and I don't know why.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I like I. I'm like, I this ad is as
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: missing the mark as much as possible because I have
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: never taken Spanish in my life. I have no idea
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: what anyone is saying. It is no bueno.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad it's not just me.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Occasionally it'll be a Spanish version of an ad
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I have seen in English and I'm like, oh, I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: know what this ad is for because it's the exact
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: same beats as the English version, but it's different actors
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and it's in Spanish.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It happens to me on social media too, I'm like,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: what did I do? Because I I learned French instead
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: of Spanish. Yeah, and I'm learning Finnish because I just
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: want my additional languages to be as unwidely used as possible.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Apparently nothing against people who speak Finnish. I think it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: an awesome language. I've actually been able to audition for
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: some stuff where they wanted people who could speak Finnish
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: or had some association with that. I love it. It's
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a huge, awesome challenge, but it's not like I can
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: use it in everyday life. So did anything geeky stand
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: out to you about the Amazon upfront?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean some stuff which is I think not
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: really directly geeky, but like I so, for example, legally Blonde,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think of Legally Blonde as a particularly geeky movie,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: but it did inspire a musical, which I do think
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: is pretty geeky. And while and I know a lot
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of people in the geek sphere who also are fans
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: of Legally Blonde, which I did not realize even had
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a sequel to it. And now there's going to be
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a prequel series to Legally Blonde. So I'm wondering how
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: my friends will feel about that, because I'm wondering how
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: many of them were, Like, I just need to know
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: what Elle was like in high school. What I'm pretty
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: sure I already know, but.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I mean they could take it a couple of ways.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon is helping to produce it, right, yes, so
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that might help because she's got a really good pulse
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: on the character.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and you know, there was other stuff as well.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: The Amazon ended up announcing, I mean, the fact that
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: we're going to get a noir Spider Man live action
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: with Nick Cage in it. That's wild.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: So I shared this with friends after you shared it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: with me, and I don't know how to feel with
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: feel about it because I love the idea of Nick
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Cage being Spider Noir, but also and all of like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the Spider Verse stuff which they're planning on doing more
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: with along with Noir is awesome. However, it's also the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: same group that brought us Morbius and Craven and Madame Webb.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all the and I like Venom, but yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: it's all the tangential Spider Verse stuff, you know, the
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: things that are like, hey, we're bringing you Spider Man
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: story is just you know, not with the Spider Man character. Yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: it's that group. And as you say, Aeriel, like, they
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: do not have the best track record, and it's not
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: like like if it had been if it was announced
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that was the same team that actually did the Into
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: the Spider Verse stories, then you'd be like, well, this
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: storytelling is going to be incredible. It'll be interesting to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: see how they tell a story in live action as
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: opposed to animation. But that's not what we're getting. So yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the subject matter is really interesting. The people who are
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: currently behind the stories are somewhat concerning.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oddly we're getting a Roadhouse sequel.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Road Maybe it'll be Highway Home.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Highway Home.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's bigger and better.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: So and then the prequel be well like uh Wayne Lounge, Yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: well exactly.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you could just do a sequel to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Roadhouse where the entire movie is just them slowly repairing
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the damage that was done to the bar in Roadhouse,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: because the most difficult thing for me to believe in
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: that movie was them opening for business when a car
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: was still sticking out of the building.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Rotorhouser, did you watch Did.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: You watch that film yet?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: The new Underno, I haven't had an opportunity. I want to.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, it is. I enjoyed it for what
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: it was, which I wouldn't call it Grand Cinema or anything.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it. But yeah, the the damage that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: done to that establishment by the end, you're like, yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the sequel would just be two hours of watching contractors
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: look at a hole in the law and say yop.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, according to Zezlov, people like watching home repair shows.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, he says that, But good lord, they sure did.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Never mind, that's me going off on a discovery.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I want to be careful because
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: so I might end up working for some of these
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: people someday, and I would gladly take a job. So
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: but so does does the New Roadhouse movie answer the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: infamous question what came first the House of the Road?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe it really looks into why
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: pain don't hurt? M Yeah, but that was only that
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: was only in the Patrick Swayze one. There. I don't
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: remember there being a moment where the new film used
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that line. But it's the dumbest line I think I've
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: ever heard, pain don't hurt.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: It's it's all the anticipation. Surprisingly, though, the the upfront
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that interested me the lead was the Disney one.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Really, so yeah, so you you are not anticipating Agatha
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: all along.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I was looking forward
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to it Now.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I think I was simply because Catherine Hahn is so
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: talented and so entertaining that while I have no idea
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: what story they want to tell or how, if at all,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it relates to the rest of the MCU, I want
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: to see her playing that character more so. Gotcha that,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: But that's because of how good she was in Wanda Vision,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and we know obviously that's not a guarantee that the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: series will be fantastic.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I really liked her in Wanda Vision until they
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: went to the stuff that wasn't her. I liked her
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: slow reveal right, and I liked her as the best
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: friend before we knew. I think she's a great actress
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: in that she did wonderful with the role. But once
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: she came the big villain, I found the show much
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: less interesting.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I'd liked it. I liked the the confrontation at the end,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: even though it did fall into the whole MCU thing
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: of people flying around at each other, which has been
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: done so many times in so many different MCU projects.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I can see what you're saying. I mean,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: there's you're valid in your criticism. I will say, like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: the more I see of The Acolyte, the less I care.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: The Acolyte is another Star Wars series that's coming out.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it's done poorly. It looks like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: it's done with a good budget. And again no shade
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: on the actors in the series. I think I'm just
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: completely burnt out on Star Wars, like you heard me
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: in thirty seconds or less, like I pretty much dismissed
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: the Mandalorian and Groku because.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: It is a dumb name.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Well also just because the fact that they've reunited those
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: two characters so quickly and not even in the Mandalorian.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: It was in the Book of boba Bet that they
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: lost me.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I agree, and the last season of Mandalorian was hit
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: or miss for me. There are episodes I loved, but
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: then there are episodes that I thought were pretty weak.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: We did get a release date for Agatha All Along,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: which is like the seventh name for the show. One
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of the more recent ones that was only briefly announced
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: was Agatha, The Lying Witch and the Wardrobe, which I
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: think is a delightful play on the Lion, the Witch
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe. But it will be coming out in
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: September of this year, So if you are looking forward
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to it, that's great. I think for me, the biggest
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: thing with the Disney up front is how kind of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: like raunchy they went. Yeah, because like it's fine. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: like Deadpool, right, and it's not that I dislike all roun,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: but like that's not what I go to Disney mainly for.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, part of me wonders if this is like over
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: compensation for the fact that the pandemic and then the
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: writers and actors strikes really did a number on the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: more recent years for things like upfronts, and that things
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: had been scaled back for so long that it's almost
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: like there's all this pent up energy that needed to
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: be let out. And because the Amazon upfront was also raunchy,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: like there was there's some salty, salty language at least.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: And it's crazy because I think back to when I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: was working as part of Discovery Communications, Like I would
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: hear about upfronts from that side from the inside. I
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't there, I wasn't important enough to be there, but
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I would hear about it and it was just a
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: totally different kind of tone, like you know, you might
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: bring out some folks that were known for being a
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: little offbeat, you know, like the Duck Dynasty guys or whatever.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: But you didn't hear about people dropping f bombs and
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: stuff while on stage trying to entice advertisers to support
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: your shows. So it's a different world, and it is
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: odd to see it with Disney. I mean, Disney has
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: had a long history of having film studios that produced
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: works that didn't fall directly under the Disney umbrella. I mean,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I remember when Splash came out, for example, you definitely
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: was thought of that as a Disney film.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Wasn't pulp fiction also under the Disney I think.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: It was under Miramax, which was under Disney.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah, poor Things is which I didn't realize.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, So it's the company that is a giant
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: media company. It's just that the stuff that's most directly
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: associated with its name is family friendly entertainment. So that
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: does make it very odd when you see people being
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: blue working blue up on stage while trying to, you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: entice advertisers to come join the fold.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which also, like I sometimes enjoy Jimmy Kimmel humor.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I love his fake his fake war with Matt dam
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Damon yeah, because I know it's fake, but do better.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you can go blue.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: It's just it's Yeah, I that whole story didn't hit
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: sit with me super well. But that was because again,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: like I'm a little I think I'm a little old
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: fashioned when it comes to how you conduct yourself in
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: a professional way in like a business environment. But I
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: get it, like it's entertainment. It's different than if you
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: were meeting in a boardroom. And I don't know I have.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Anyone who hangs out with me personally knows I can
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: have some salty language, but if I'm in a professional setting,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: that does not happen. Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Me, me, I'm a delicate flip and flower.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only heard aerial curse whenever I was around her.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So I I only do it when I'm around you, Jean.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: That's not true at all. That is sadly not true.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I did cut it out so like I used to
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: work as a daycare teacher, and when you're around the kids,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you don't cuss it all right, So like when I
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: was outside of that, it kind of all came out.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: And lately I've gotten back into this habit of using
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: cuss words, and I don't like it. So I'm trying
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: to there are more clever ways that I can I
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: put emphasis on sentences. So I'm trying to bring some
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: of like that back, some of like the.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I'll share with you some of the scholarship about how
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: using curse words can be a sign of intelligence.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That'll I know, I know that it is, but I also, like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I just played an Old West Victorian larp,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: so like they have some great language that nowadays wouldn't
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: be considered a curse word or a cussword, but back
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: then it might have been.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Well, if you want to, if you really want if
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: you really want a thorough education and cursing during the
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: mid nineteenth century, watch Deadwood, because they weave curses in
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: like it's poetry. It is in sae.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Well done. Sometimes sometimes a period piece can do it
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's well done. And sometimes they do
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: it and I feel like it's done. Just to give
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: it a more adult rating.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Deadwood. Deadwood could do either side. Like sometimes I
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: felt like it was phenomenal and sometimes I felt like, okay,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: you're this is.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: A crutch, So for you, is it cuss, curse or swear?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Technically I'm talking about. I usually say curse, but but
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: in my head it's cuss because I grew up in
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: rural Georgia. It's just that I've gradually weeded out almost
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: all the regional slang in my speech.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Interesting for me, it used to be swear. I hate
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: when people say curse word because I'm like, it's not
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like to me, a curse is something different than a cuss.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: And now because a swear is something different than swearing,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: like swearing in is different than swearing at somebody because
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: you're mad, right, I'm like, cuss is the one that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: can be least confused for something else. I mean, so
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I've kind of got the other direction.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Sometimes words mean other things, as the great Hello from
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: the Magic Tavern topic, sometimes words mean other words. Yeah, well,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: we've got other news items we can talk about. One
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: of those is that we got a teaser trailer for
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the Francis Ford Coppola film Megalopolis. And first we got
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: a first look, which really wasn't a teaser. It was
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: literally just a tiny snippet of a scene which seemed
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: pretty confusing. And then we got a trailer which cleared
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: everything up by making it way more confusing.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it had so many different tones to it, and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I liked many of those tones, but I couldn't figure
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: out how they all fit together. And then immediately afterwards,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I think, didn't the movie release like Thursday of this week?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Did it? It's entirely possible, Like, why would we get
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a teaser for something that came out like two days later?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That's entirely possible. I have been so out of pocket
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: that I would I didn't follow up. I watched the
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: trailer and I thought it was the most stylized stuff
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I had seen from Francis Ford Coppola since he did
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Bram Stoker's Dracula.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will agree with that. It says the initial
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: release was May sixteenth. I don't know if that's a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: full wide release. I've been traveling, so I haven't looked.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're recording this the day after that. So yeah,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: odd that we didn't get a trailer further in advance, right.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I also don't know if it's like initial
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: release in like the Cans Sun Dance.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, the festival circuit, or.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Like can I go out to the to the theater
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and watch it right now? On Rotten Tomatoes, it's like
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it's interesting on Rotten Tomatoes, it's fifty percent on IMDb,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: it's seven point two out of ten, but eighty eight
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: percent of Google users like this movie current.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the trailer gets very surreal, and like I said,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: it gets really cinematic and artistic in its in its
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: expression of the scenes, Like it's not shot like a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: straightforward movie. There's a lot of color grading going on,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: like there are scenes that are almost completely bathed in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: golden light and others that are bathed in blue light.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: And to a point where it was making me feel
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: like it was a a Dario Argento film from the seventies.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: He's an Italian filmmaker who famously would use the color
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: red to express something of great shock in a in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: a scene. This felt kind of similar to that. Like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: as I was watching it, I'm like, oh, is this
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: gonna feel like Dracula where the cinematic gimmicks that he's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: using are going to distract me from the movie, because
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: that's the way the trailer comes across. But that's just
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: a trailer, so I don't know.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll be interested to see. I think we
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: might actually have to wait a little longer. It looks
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: like it premiered on May sixteenth at the Cans Film Fest.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yeh, gotcha. So those keeping in mind that those reviews
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: are for a very select few people, and occasionally people
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: will give very positive reviews because they want to make
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: sure they can come back to can.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, I am intrigued.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I am too. The general we haven't even talked about
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: what the plot is, but it's sort of set in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: an alternate version of our world, kind of in the future,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: where you've got this civilization that's on the verge of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: internal collapse, akin to the way Rome collapsed after it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: passed its height, and that Adam Driver is playing a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I think his name even is Caesar in the film,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: So it's it's very on the nose about its inspiration,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: and that Francis Ford Coppola had been trying to make
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: this movie for like more than a decade tible degrees.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I think you started on in the seventies, well, moving
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: from one thing that I don't know how I feel
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: about to another thing I don't know how I feel about.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Wicked movie, which came out with like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: a promotional video and then like pretty much in the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: next day came out with the trailer.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the promotional video is one in which the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: director and the actors are extremely sincerely and earnestly talking
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: about how important the source material is to them, to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the point where they're getting emotional about it. And it
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: was starting to make me feel bad for slagging off
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: on this movie for so long, because I was like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt Ariana Grande's feelings, but I'm
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: still not sold on this movie adaptation. I thought the trailer,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the trailer, if you're sitting there like, Okay, this is
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: a movie. It's not a filmed version of the musical,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: because why would you do that. It is a movie
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: adaptation of the musical, So they there's no reason to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: do that unless you're going to do things that only
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: cinema can do, right, because otherwise you could go see
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: a stage production. So it has to be different in
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: ways that make sense where you're like, these are only
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: things you can do in the movies. You can't do
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: this on stage. And I felt the trailer kind of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: conveyed that I'm still concerned with how these movies are
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: going to be structured, because if it's still split into
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: two films, and what the heck are they going to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: do for part two unless they have rearranged the story, because,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: as we have pointed out in previous episodes, if you
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: look at the soundtrack too Wicked, all the bangers are
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: in the first act.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Hot take, the second film will just be The Wizard
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of Oz.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: You'll go in and it'll just start and you're like, what, well.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like they show everything in the trailer
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: up to that point.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So they show her hat on the floor of her tower,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: which is I mean spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Saint Wicked. That's like the end of the show.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it is. I do feel a little more
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: confident in the actors that they've picked to portray the roles,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: partially because of seeing how important the role is to them.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I worry about again, music translating into a movie. Well,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: it does sometimes, but it's I feel like it flops
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: more often than not. I also I don't but I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: don't have as huge of a connection to the musical
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: as many other people do.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually asked our mutual friend Mandy. I saw
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: her this week, and Mandy, for those of you out
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: there who have no reason to know. This is what
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I would call a fan of Wizard of Oz that's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: putting it very lightly. Mandy loves the Wizard of Oz
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: so much so that I still do a double take
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: before I pick up a Wizard of Oz thing for her,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: because one, I'm worried she might already have it, and two,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: there's got to come a point where she's just like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I've got enough, y'all stop. But we haven't reached it yet.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: So I asked her. I was like, how are you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: feeling about the Wicked movie? Because being such a huge
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: fan of the musical, I was curious what her perspective was.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: She's really looking forward to it. She's really excited about it,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: which I think partly speaks to how positive and optimistic
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Mandy is because she's a great person, and also might
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: speak to how cynical I've become.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there are things that I am excited for.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: One is hopefully seeing Jeff goldbloom be not very Jeff Goldbloomy, Yeah,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: because he seems to be a little bit more serious
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: than I normally have seen him on film and television.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: And also I look forward to watching people who are
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: in their thirties and forties play college students. Not that
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: you can't go to college in your thirty and forties,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: you totally can, but they would all be considered like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: non traditional special non traditional students in real life. But
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's fine because you know, they're all magical people
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: in a magical world, and.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I mean it's they They are all meant to be
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: children is what they're meant to be, and they're all
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: being played by people who very much aren't children.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, even Ariana Grande. She's not old by any means,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: but she is thirty ish, so but she looks timeless.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: So whatever, it's just my jealousy kicking in.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: When when we talk about actors who are super like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: like Keen on the adaptation. I don't know that anyone
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: is more passionate about this than Ariana Grande.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, except for Mandy.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Except for Mandy, but she's not part of the series,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: so as far as I know, I mean, if she
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: shows up, I'll be really that would be delighted.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, I like I do
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: like that the director has other experience in musical movies
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and is is going to have experience in musical theater later.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: So because we talked about that the other week, he's
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: working on I think that. I think he's the one
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: working on the Crazy Rich Asians musical. So let's move
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: from stuff that I might be slightly positive about to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: something that I'm not. I like King of the Hill
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: and I like The Office, But those two powerhouses of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: comedy have come together to make a new trailer that
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: just did not land with me at all.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: What was that trailer for? Ariel?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: A cartoon for Exploding Kittens.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Which is a card game. Ye from the same people
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: who brought us Cards against Humanity. They made a game
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: called Exploding Kittens years ago, and now we're getting a
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Netflix series, an animated series that's inspired by that, in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: which God has turned into a kitty.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Cat to become less of a jerk.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: You know what's also really funny? The thing I think
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: is like the cherry on top of the Sunday for
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: that joke. Do you know who's voicing God? No, it's
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Tom Ellis. Do you know who? Tom Ellis also played
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Lucifer in the series Lucifer, So Lucifer is voicing God.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: That is pretty funny. So the thing is, I think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: King of the Hill and Office are both really clever
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: in their humor most of the time. Sometimes the Office
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: got cringe, but this humor just felt more like family
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Guy esque in its grossness and raunchiness.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: For me, it just didn't hit. Like I watched it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Nothing offended me, but nothing entertained me either, right like
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: I watched it as like, I feel like this is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: the way a lot of comedies that have been produced
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: in the last few years have come across to me
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: where it's like you can see the you can see
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: the sausage being made, you can see the gears turning,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: like you can almost see the decisions that were made
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: in the writer's room that created the scene you're watching,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: and that almost seems like it would be a more
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: interesting story than the actual scene. Like I feel like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: a series about people who are trying to make a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: comedy series would have a bigger impact on me than
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the comedy series that are coming out.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was one moment in the trailer that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: did make me laugh a little bit. It's when the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Devil Cat was screaming outside the garage door, being like
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm certain of the nine House or whatever they said,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: open this garage door. For me that line, Yeah, that one.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Line the door is just slowly coming down while the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: cat is in mid rant.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because that felt very cat.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well and there, I mean they did play
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: upon the cat stuff too, like the idea that it's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: strangely satisfying to knock things off of shelves and that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But yeah, it's it's like a lot
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: of that's just really easy joke, right, Like it's the yeah, like, yeah, haha,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: cats like to knock things off, so let's make that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: a joke. Like that's not really a joke. I mean,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: you can get that same effect literally by just logging
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: onto TikTok and searching for cat.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Which I do frequently. Actually I don't need to anymore.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Because they just show up the Yeah, your algorithm has
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: been trained to know for cat videos.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, many mainly things I either want to train
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: my cats to do or they already do that make
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: me laugh, And I'm glad I'm not alone. So uh,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked about this trailer enough.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah we're not. Like when I heard that there was
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: going to be a series based off the Card Game,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I had not high hopes, but I was intrigued because
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, that could like, there's a lot of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: humor to be had, so this could be funny, depending
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: on what tae, what direction they go in. Yeah, like you, Ariel,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: it did not really work for me. So, I mean,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I hope that it finds its audience and the people
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: who enjoy it enjoy it for all it's worth. That's great.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I hope you have a fantastic time. Yeah, it didn't
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: work for me either.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Did you watch Rings of Power?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I did not. I did not, but I watched the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: trailer for the next season of it.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Did that work for you?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: No? No, it did not, even though you get to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: see sourn when he was pretty I.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Mean you did that in the season one too.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, what's more of the same, right?
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: So uh, I I didn't really have a desire to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: see Rings of Power because it wasn't really based off
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: of any of Tolkien's works that I particularly care about.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: And I can understand the desire to tell more stories
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: in Tolkien's world. I get that, but I usually just
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: don't find those particularly interesting. Like the stuff that drew
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: me to Tolkien was largely the same stuff that inspired
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: him to write the books which is that I too
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: have an interest in Old English linguistics and literature, which
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: feels weird to say, because a lot of Old English
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: quote unquote literature was or old traditions. We're lucky that
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: somebody bothered to write it down, right, because otherwise it
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: would have just been lost. Beowulf would not be a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: thing unless someone had taken the trouble to write it down.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: So I came to Tolkien's world through a very similar
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: path that he took to create it, although obviously he
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: was far more intelligent than I will ever be. But
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: that's probably why I don't really care to read story.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like fan fiction. I don't really care
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: about fan fiction much. Prefer to read the stuff that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: the creators made for their world, and that's enough for me,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: and and if if there's only a limited amount of that,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: that's okay.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it wasn't based off the Simarilanmarillion.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: No, it's actually after the Simmer. It's after the Cimarillion.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: It's after the Cinnamon Roll. The Cinnamon role happens in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: the very so like the Cimmarillion, tells the story of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: the creation of the world that eventually becomes Middle Earth
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: and tells stories that happen in the ancient times of
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: elves and later of men, and those stories are mostly
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: about Souron's old boss is Souron exists, but he's like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: a second in command, he's a lieutenant. He's not He's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: not the big bad in the Silmarillion. Actually there is
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: no big bad in Cimarillion, arguably because that's a series
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: of different stories. It's not just one narrative. But yeah,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: it's the Rings of power kind of exist in between
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: that era and the stuff you see and.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings got you because it is pre Hobbit.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's pre Third Age. I think it's the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: second Age, and Sommarillion deals with the first Age.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: So I did watch the first series all but the
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: final episode, but I've had it spoiled for me what
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: happens at the end of the final episode, and it
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: was at times enjoyable and at times very slow and political.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: This second trailer hit a lot better for me, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends who liked it and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: thought it was good and entertaining, and there were moments
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: that I love. There's a great song in it that
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: one of the main characters sings that I absolutely love
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: that I've been trying to get my band to cover.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: But the second trailer works much better for me if
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I think of Saron as Godzilla and all of the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: creepy monsters that they show as all of the or Kaiju,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and then it's a much more entertaining trailer.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, when you have to recontextualize a trailer so
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: that it works for you, that's not a great sign.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very pretty. There are a couple
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: of characters I really like. They at one point show
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: one of them in the trailer, and after that they
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: show a whole bunch of characters that I didn't hate,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: but for some reason when I saw them, I'm like, oh,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I don't like this anymore.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I U. The biggest issue I had is not
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: even with the trailers at all. It's with the toxic
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: fandom that's around, and not fandom is the wrong word,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: but the toxic culture that has developed in the comments
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: for those kinds of things where you know it's it's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: the gate keepers and the people who think that any
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: attempt at diversity is h is wasted time or whatever.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I get so tired of it, and when I like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I think I think back to those videos of young
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: children seeing characters who look like they do and the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: reactions they have when they do get to see that
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: on screen, when for so many that just wasn't a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: thing that I'm like, can't you just like, even if
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: you feel like you have a point, which you don't,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: by the way, but even if you feel like you do,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: can't you think about the reaction these kids have and say,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: maybe there's something bigger happening here that's more important than
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: all your dwarves being lily white.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: No, they can't, because those people only think about themselves
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: how the world revolves around them. It drives me nuts too,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: And when I watched Strings of Power, I thankfully was
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: able to put that out of my head and enjoy
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: the show, because yeah, that kind of response upsets me
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to no end and is dumb and completely unneeded in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: this world. So for that reason alone, I support the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: second season that Power.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and like, I definitely want to see projects that
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: embrace diversity and do it in a wise way, do
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: it in a way that that is not just token, right, Like,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see lazy attempts at diversity, because
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: that's almost as bad as no diversity at all. If
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: you're going to be lazy with it, then you're really
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: just doing a disservice. So uh, that's always my concern
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: is not so much that there's diversity, but if it's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: not done well. Like I've definitely seen a lot of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: organizations that tout the concept of diversity, but they're terrible
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: at actually implementing anything meaningful. I don't want to see that,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: and I want to make sure that when it's being
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: done in stories, that it's being done in the way
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: that supports the whole movie in the first place.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I have no good segue from
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: that to our next trailer.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Well, well, moving from one fantasy world to another, how
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: about that? There we go. We're going to talk about
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: another series.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, another prequel, Doom Prophecy. And I was sitting here
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: trying to think up earlier today, not while you were
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: were talking, just now, because that's super important. Of Like,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: if Dune is the first movie, and Dune Dune is
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the second movie, and Dun Dun Dune is the third movie,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: what would this prequel be called? And I'm coming up
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: with nothing.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Duh, duh, d No, it's not the d because this
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: is all about women. Yeah, Dune prophecy is it's supposed
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: to take place ten thousand years before the time of Dune,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: which already have a problem. But this is Frank Herbert's fault,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: not the series fault. And the only reason I say
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: I have a problem with it's very snarky, like, Ariel,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: have you ever had a thing where you're going to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: go see like a science fiction film or a fantasy
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: film or or TV series, whatever it may be, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: it's set in a fantastical world, a world that simply
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: cannot exist, like magic happens, or there's science that just
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: is not accessible to us, and all of that is
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: easy to believe, but then there's one mundane thing that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to you, and you're like, hey, hang on,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: that doesn't work, and that just Okay, this happens to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: me all the time, and it happened to me watching
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: this trailer.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you moved on, because if you were
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: going to ask me to tell you what that was,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to tell you. But I know
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: it's happened multiple times. So what was the thing that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: bothered you that was completely undy?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: So the series is set ten thousand and again this
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: might be I haven't read the Frank Herbert novels, so
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: this could very well be in the sourcemential itself. But
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: the series is set ten thousand years before the story
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: that we see in Dune. In the Dune.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Film said there are no ewoks.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: No, I'm wondering why there's a hearkenin family ten thousand years.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: So I think it's the I think, and again I've
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I've it's been a very I've read the first Dune book.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: It's been a very long time, and I'm familiar with
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the other stories, though I haven't read them personally, I've
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: been told about them. I think this is how the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Benny jesterit create the Hearkening family.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Just to me, like the idea of a family existing
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: for ten thousand years is hard because again as a medievalist,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: like I've been studying families like family lines that stretch
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: back a couple thousand years, but when you get further
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: back beyond that, you don't have surnames that last that long,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: like ten thousand years. That's the history of humanity right there,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: before we even got to the point where we were
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: writing stuff down, and you think about how much time
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: has changed, like many, how much people have changed just
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: in one hundred years, let alone ten thousand. That's when
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ain't no way they'd have the name harkening.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: But that's how That's what tells you how powerful the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Benny Jesser it are. That they have set up this
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: line of power that has been so strong for an
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: unimaginable amount of time.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: That is the whole point. Yeah, but that's why I'm
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: having the issues like I run into that's just my
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: wall because I sit there and I look at the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: real world and I'm like, no, that couldn't work. I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: don't care how much magic spice you got shoven around
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: in your head, it just ain't happening.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: It's fantasy, John.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know I should be able
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: to get past it, but I can't.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: No, that's reasonable. There are things that I cannot get
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: past that are completely mundane as well.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I'll say this don't trailer looks beautiful?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: It does, It really does. And the cast is great
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: from what I've seen so far.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that red dress, it just is so vibrant. Like
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: the cinematography is also great in the trailer, Like you
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: can tell a lot of money and care has been
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: put into this series, and I gotta admit, like the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: story of the Bena Jesuit and they're they're packed. That
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: has gosh, if you want to talk about long term planning,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: that's what the Bena jeserit are all about. They're like, Okay,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: well this is this is going to take you know,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: two thousand generations or so, but it's really going to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: pay off eventually.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like how they're not just like complete
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: dios X making of good guys too, Like.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they're complicated, right, Like they have their motivations and
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: in some cases that is in alignment with other people,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: and in other cases it's in opposition. And that you know,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like the whole thing is like
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: theirs is an order that has a very specific end
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: goal in mind. Uh, and that end goal sometimes is
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: going to be in alignment with whomever's in power, and
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: in other cases it's going to be direct in opposition.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating take on the epic.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and their their mindset is very much
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: one of the ends justify the means, yes, which is
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: not always great. And also don't question us, which is
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: also not great.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't question authority and no matter and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: it and we'll do whatever it takes to get to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: our goal.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That being said, I've seen the first two Dune
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: movies and I enjoyed them well enough, so I look
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: forward to this series.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I still need to see the second one. I've seen
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: the first one.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: I felt it was I personally felt it was better
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: than the first one.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard a lot of people give, like
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: a similar kind of.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Just for the sound mixing, which I also had issue
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: with in the trailer for megaopolipse like Megaopolis Mega. It's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: like that woman on TikTok who TikTok? Who can't She's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: German and she can't say rhinoceros.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Let's say mega, so she can't.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: She can't say rhinosters. She can't say hippotamus.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Say Mega octopus, Mega octopus.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: That's another Robert Corman, Roger Corman, Yes, rot geez Louise.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: First it was Richard, then it was Robert Roger Corman.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I don't it's kind more fine. Your brain is still
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: in Chicago.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: It is. It is like I I turned on to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Chicago time, right as I was leaving, which is unfortunately. Yeah,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: it takes me.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: That happens to me every single time I go to
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: a different times. Is I adjust just as it's time
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: for me to go back home?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, speaking of time, this has been an extra
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: epic episode, which we knew. We have one more trailer
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about, which I think is maybe the coolest
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: of them all.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's for a Brazilian film called Bionic, which
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: is going to get distribution here in the United States
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: on Netflix, and it's set in a future in which
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: people have been people can undergo surgery, like let's say
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: you've injured your arm or your leg, you can get
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: a bionic replacement, and the bionics at this point perform
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: at a level that's better than human performance, so you
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: can have greater strength and speed than you would if
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: you had your natural limbs, and the world is taking
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: It's a world where people who have these enhanced limbs
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: are entering into professional sports, or even just amateur sports,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: but Olympic levels, and kind of exploring what that means.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: And one of the film follows two sisters, one of
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: whom has a bionic prosthetic and the other one doesn't.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: And kind of like, how does the person who is unenhanced, like,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: what is their place in a world like that? And
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: do you actually give into temptation and undergo surgery not
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: because you've got an injured limb, but because you want
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: to be able to compete at a level that only
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: the enhanced can. And it made me think of I
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if you even paid attention to this back
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: at the time, Aerial, but there was that era of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: professional baseball where there was just steroids and human growth
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: hormone scandals like left, Right, and Center, and there were
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: some people who were saying, like, no, I think we
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: should allow both steroid and and growth hormone in baseball
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: because those games will be more exciting because people will
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: be able to hit the ball harder. It'll be like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: home runs will be more impressive. And it raised like
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: questions like, wait, what's what are we talking about here?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about people who are performing at the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: peak of human ability but they're unenhanced or are we
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: talking about the entertainment factor that comes along with people
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: who are doing stuff that your normal, average person just
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: could not do.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that this particular trailer, I guess
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how they go because they
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: could pull from it a message that I don't particularly
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: agree about that is exclusionary to people in sports based
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: on things that are about them that they cannot change.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, there's like a whole discussion here that where
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: you've got the parallel with like transgender athletes, and then
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: that raises some some very tricky questions and like we're
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: seeing that play out around the world right now too,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: where people are being denied the opportunity to compete.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I don't know what message they're going
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: to take from this, but a very first glance without
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: thinking about it beyond being entertained by the trailer, I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: look forward to a story where people with prosthetic limbs
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: are not considered less than or less capable, you know,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of spits in the in the face of ableism.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's what I'm hoping for from it.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gosh. I My hope is that it's the
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: sort of thing that when you watch it, you're like,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: this is really thought provoking and it can really prompt
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of thoughtful conversations. And I would I would
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: say that there's a lot of stuff in this world,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: this particular like like world of topic that it's so
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: complicated that I'm constantly re evaluating how I think and
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: how I approach this stuff, because I mean, certainly I'm
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: a different person than I was ten years ago, like
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: I might have had very different thoughts about things, and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that also comes from having
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: contact with people who have come from very different life
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: experiences and developing compassion for the things they've gone through.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's to me, like it's weird too, because
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: it's not like this trailer is hitting you over the head.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it's heavy handed in that approach.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: But all of this.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Really think about this until we were talking about it.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Just well that's the thing is I watched and all
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: this stuff kind of came to me unprompted, and I
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: felt like, I don't know if that was the intent
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: of the filmmaker, but that's what I'm getting out of it,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: and to me, that's that's a mark of something that's special.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also special to me is the trailer is in
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I guess Portuguese and which I don't speak, and watching
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the trailer, I completely forgot that I was reading subtitles.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now it looks like it looks really really well
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: done for a film that didn't come out of your
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: typical like Hollywood studio pipeline.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, which shows you you can make new and creative
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: and cool content without having to go through that major
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: studio pipeline and rehash the same old wheel. Yeah. With that,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: we could talk so much more. But man, we have
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: already talked a lot.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is time to wrap up because I will
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: be editing this show forever. Nice thing is, we didn't
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: have a lot of stumbles in this one, so it's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: not like I'm going to be doing a lot of it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: It's it's mostly going to be putting in the music
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: for thirty seconds or less.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or cutting out where my headphone cord accidentally hits
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: the table a whole.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Bit, or when I was sniffing. Yeah, those will be
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: like the big bits about me, just like muting little we.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Have to sniffs in. They'll think you're being emotional. Oh anyhow,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: thank you for listening. As always, we really appreciate you
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: being a part of our geeky community. Jonathan. If folks
• 1:32:13
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• 1:32:16
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• 1:32:18
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• 1:32:21
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• 1:32:24
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• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, what you're going to do is you're going to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: learn how that whole movie making system works, but you're
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: going to learn how to do it on a level
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: that is budget conscious and efficient, like to the point
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: where you can get a film shot in like two
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: weeks and edited the next week and then out in theaters,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: then to the home rental market licketty split. The reason
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: that you're going to do this is because the world
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: needs more Roger Corman's and we've already lost the one
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: great Roger Corman. So now I'm sorry falls to you.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: It's your gig. You're gonna be the new Roger Korman.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: You're gonna make the next superhero film that's low budget
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: that tells us why superhero stories are so resonant without
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: having to rely upon crazy cgi and big name actors.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be low budget, it's gonna look low budget,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: but it's gonna have heart, and that's what's gonna matter
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: the most. Once that movie comes out, and literally nobody
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: but like four people see it, but those four people
• 1:33:32
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• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: they just start to lose friendships over how often they
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: are recommending this movie to the people who are close
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: to them. Once that happens, you'll hear a knock at
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: your door. It's me, and I'm there to fund your
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: next movie and also answer whatever question it was that
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: you had.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Were you referencing all superheroes must die?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Not directly?
• 1:33:57
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  Speaker 1: nerdron Pod at gmail dot com. I am a little
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  Speaker 1: behind on getting notes up onto the website due to
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  Speaker 1: all of my travel, but I will be catching up
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  Speaker 1: on that this weekend. That website is www dot Large, Nerd,
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  Speaker 1: Drunk Collider dot com. Surprise Surprise. Like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: we love y'all. Thank you so much for being a
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  Speaker 1: part of the geeky conversation and until next time, I
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  Speaker 1: have been, Ariel, thank you for not making me watch
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  Speaker 1: that trailer.
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  Speaker 2: Caston and I have been. Jonathan, try to eat something.
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  Speaker 2: It'll calm your aggravation. Strickland The Large Nerdron Collider was
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  Speaker 2: created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
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  Speaker 2: published again. Cursed at by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin
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  Speaker 2: McLeod of incomptech dot com