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Errors Spoil Weekend As Tigers Drop Series to Cincinnati · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Sickley with me as always, the man who puts the
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  Speaker 1: chill in chili. He is Cody's David Egg.
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  Speaker 2: And how you do chili?
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  Speaker 3: Kieren?
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  Speaker 4: Beans or no beans?
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  Speaker 2: No beans?
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  Speaker 4: Non starter, true true Texas style, right there. I actually
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  Speaker 4: like beans and chili. I'ma be honest. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't. You know what I don't like. I don't
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  Speaker 4: like three errors. I don't like meltdowns. I don't like
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  Speaker 4: injuries someday man, probably the worst like Vibes Day, maybe
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  Speaker 4: all season, right, I mean not like obviously the eighth
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  Speaker 4: inning was bad. I don't care about that game. Really,
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  Speaker 4: Like we're gonna get over. The players are gonna move on.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be fine. But the Tiger's pitching. We've been kind
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  Speaker 4: of talking about this for a while. Suddenly it isn't
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  Speaker 4: a pretty bad spot. That was before the will Vest scare.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you got rid of breva today, which you
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  Speaker 4: can argue maybe that's gonna be an upgrade. We'll talk
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  Speaker 4: about that here in a second. But you're being put
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  Speaker 4: to the test and the vibes leaving the park, combination
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  Speaker 4: of an ugly game and just like really seeing this
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  Speaker 4: pitching in a bad spot.
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  Speaker 2: We're not great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we're if we're gonna do like the
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  Speaker 1: whole overreaction thing, it's like, well, you finally blew a
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  Speaker 1: lead in the you know, latter third of the game,
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  Speaker 1: so now you weren't gonna go, you know, the whole
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  Speaker 1: hundred and six two games without doing that. But but
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  Speaker 1: the reality was, it's just like in some ways, it's
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  Speaker 1: how it looks. So like if if you guys aren't
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  Speaker 1: subscribed to our YouTube, you shit. I'm wearing my Spencer
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  Speaker 1: Turnbull no Hitter, no Hitter shirt.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Wearing it is this kind of reminded me of a
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  Speaker 1: Tigers game from years past, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like it reminded me of like, all right, you got
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  Speaker 1: a couple, you gotta you gotta lead lay and then
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  Speaker 1: you kind of lost it. I want to say, give
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  Speaker 1: it away because the other team earns it, but like
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  Speaker 1: you you lost it in dumb fashion, like could you
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  Speaker 1: have seen the twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: like losing having an any get away from them because
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  Speaker 1: a pitcher couldn't underhand toss the ball the first base.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've seen it happen. Yeah, I called my dad.
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  Speaker 4: Happy belated Father's Day to all the fathers out there.
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  Speaker 4: I called my dad and he watched the game. He
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  Speaker 4: was like, man, that was probably their worst game all year.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, in a way, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: That's the only time that's really happened this year. We
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  Speaker 4: used to see that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like it was, it was just it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't aesthetically pleasing in any fashion. And and the shame
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  Speaker 1: is is that we don't get to really kind of
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  Speaker 1: glow about Jami Jones hitting home run, about Riley Green
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  Speaker 1: hitting what I don't know. I didn't see what the
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  Speaker 1: measurement was, but I'm sure that's double twenty one ballparks
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  Speaker 1: twenty one ballparks. Okay, so that's actually lower than I
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  Speaker 1: thought would be. But but still like he he crushed
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  Speaker 1: that ball, and we and all that is just kind
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  Speaker 1: of lost.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even Hobby By is doing some things with
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  Speaker 2: the bat.
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  Speaker 1: All that is like all that is lost because of
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  Speaker 1: just like this dumb way of losing the game. Uh
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  Speaker 1: So like I tried to kind of reach for I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to say reasons or excuses, but just like,
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  Speaker 1: how do I best kind of summarize some of these
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  Speaker 1: things that we saw. So Herder, you know, gets that,
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  Speaker 1: gets that going with the air, Like we said, low key,
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  Speaker 1: Cody Hurder is your most used reliever, Like he's actually
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  Speaker 1: your most used pitcher period if you take away the starters, like.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of an ending's pitch.
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  Speaker 1: So like, I don't know, is that something that could
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  Speaker 1: contribute to it? I don't know, but it's something that
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  Speaker 1: I looked up and kind of validated what I had.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with uh with McKinstry, non air but not feeling,
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  Speaker 1: you know, cleaning a man words, twist, fielding cleanly, a
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  Speaker 1: ground ball, a double play possibility and you get zero
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  Speaker 1: outs out of it. Part of that is the base
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  Speaker 1: running of Ellie Da La Cruz obviously, but you get
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  Speaker 1: zero routes outside of that. Zach McKinstry made his sixtieth
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  Speaker 1: start today. Last season, he didn't play in his sixtieth
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  Speaker 1: game until July eighth. He's obviously being used a lot more,
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  Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. And then and then obviously Hobby
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  Speaker 1: playing multiple positions and still like, you know, your elder
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  Speaker 1: statesman on the field. I'm not say again not reasons
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  Speaker 1: or excuses, but these are just things that were apparent
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  Speaker 1: to me and of course Lawyer Gibson long. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been playing that much baseball the last twelve months,
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  Speaker 1: So these are just kind of things that I looked
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  Speaker 1: up and kind of came to mind as to sort
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  Speaker 1: of like help paint the fuller picture of what was
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  Speaker 1: like obviously a really ugly sight over there at America.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, another weird thing that kind of went unnoticed
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  Speaker 4: in all the chaos. Like remember several weeks ago, Ajay
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  Speaker 4: Hinch said like there is no blueprint or what was
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  Speaker 4: the answer key. There is no answer key. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's basically still advocating for feel. But it's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's true, and obviously the Tigers do some human element
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  Speaker 4: type things just helped made this team very good. But
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  Speaker 4: AJ's players are almost always in like a mathematical position
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  Speaker 4: to succeed. I thought it was strange that Will Vest
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  Speaker 4: in order to face Elie de la Cruz. Elie de
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  Speaker 4: la Cruz is a switch hitter, and he is a
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  Speaker 4: lot better against right handed pitching a nine to fifty
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  Speaker 4: one ohps. Entering that game, I thought he would have
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  Speaker 4: heard or go two more batters to face Ellie one
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  Speaker 4: more time. Day La Cruz is the name you circle
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  Speaker 4: in that lineup that scares you a little bit. He
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  Speaker 4: would have had to face McClain, a right handed hitter.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not like McLain absolutely terrorizes lefties, kind of
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  Speaker 4: average hitter against lefties, whereas Ellie absolutely kills right handed pitching.
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  Speaker 4: He put in will vest I mean you tell Ves
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  Speaker 4: was trying to attack him when with a change up
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  Speaker 4: that got hit, got him to two stride Telly. He
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  Speaker 4: put a good swing on the ball. I still just
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  Speaker 4: it was a rare case, honestly, where it's felt to
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  Speaker 4: me like aj went against the numbers. He said later,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's trying to get out of that ending.
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  Speaker 4: He wanted the best guy on the mounds, so that's
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  Speaker 4: what he went with, and in a way it ended
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  Speaker 4: up costing them, and then obviously the errors more than
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  Speaker 4: anything in a wild pitch, cost them dearly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, it was just it was just
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  Speaker 1: a straight un unraveling that like very uncharacteristic of what
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  Speaker 1: of what we've watched this year, and like the way.
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  Speaker 2: As I was watching this game, I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: how I was going to talk about it with you.
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  Speaker 1: Part of me was like, I'm not sure I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it in a way of all right,
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  Speaker 1: they had all these things happened to him, and they
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  Speaker 1: still won the.
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  Speaker 2: Game, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like, I felt like they deserve to lose,
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  Speaker 1: and then they got the justified results, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, And and and and so like it just
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  Speaker 1: felt to me like a win in that game would
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  Speaker 1: have had people full in themselves and and you know,
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  Speaker 1: bringing up like the gritty stuff, which again is valid
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  Speaker 1: and fair, but like it's not gritty when you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: throw you can't toss the ball underhand and fifteen feet,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So like, so like I think it.
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  Speaker 1: I think they should have to eat this game and
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  Speaker 1: eat this series, quite frankly, because they were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you were non competitive obviously the vast majority of Saturday's game,
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  Speaker 1: and then you were not looking like a competent baseball
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  Speaker 1: team at the end of this game. So like, this
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  Speaker 1: is something that they're gonna have to stew on a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. And people can't just like look up and
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  Speaker 1: be like, well, you know the gritty tags did it again? No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just rely on the grittiness. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta make the play, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to make the right decision. Sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: got to call the right pitch, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And and so like it it felt like a weekend
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  Speaker 1: like you should have given a better showing, and you
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  Speaker 1: did it. And the reasons why, as we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, like they are like real concerns. Now it
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  Speaker 1: looks like everybody in the vision has lost or will
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  Speaker 1: lose today. So you're you're feeling okay there but at
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  Speaker 1: the same but at the same time, these are issues
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  Speaker 1: that we've noticed for a while and then therefore and
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  Speaker 1: so therefore they're starting to percolate a little bit and
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I did have one kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing that I've I've been like going back and
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  Speaker 1: forth on my mind about this for a while, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: But now I have.
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  Speaker 2: Some some some.
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  Speaker 1: Some numbers that just I just want to share with
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  Speaker 1: you and share with everybody. Is that that's carry Carpenter,
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  Speaker 1: Like carry carry Carpenter is having, Like it's just kind
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  Speaker 1: of it's a weird season.
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  Speaker 2: I've said this before. It's it's it's kind of it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's a weird season to kind of wrap your arms
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  Speaker 1: around to kind of get like a full gist because
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  Speaker 1: he's made some stellar defensive plays. He has the hamstring
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  Speaker 1: that is oh so apparent. He's getting no breaks on
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  Speaker 1: the base pass in terms of taking the extra base,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like, if you're out there, then you're expected
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  Speaker 1: to do it no matter what. I guess the standard
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  Speaker 1: is the standard, as they say. And then at the
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  Speaker 1: plate it's we know, the whole lefty thing and I
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  Speaker 1: and it hasn't really become a talking point all that much.
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  Speaker 1: But he had the three home run game in Chicago Cody,
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  Speaker 1: and then he had a two double game as well
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  Speaker 1: on June eighth.
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  Speaker 2: Those are his only.
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  Speaker 1: Extra base hits this month, you know, and for an
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  Speaker 1: everyday player of his caliber, and then he had an
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  Speaker 1: RBI on May twentieth, So May twenty first, on that
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  Speaker 1: three home run game, that's his only runs driven in
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  Speaker 1: that timeframe. So like if you feel like there's a
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  Speaker 1: lack of productivity, and there is some there is a
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  Speaker 1: stretch here where he is not being all that productive
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  Speaker 1: at the plate to his capability, And right now he's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like an all or you know, not that
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  Speaker 1: much a guy at the plate especially, and he can't
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  Speaker 1: give you anything on the base pass. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And where are we going? You know? Those are my
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  Speaker 2: two questions.
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  Speaker 4: And hearing the abats have not been very good. I'd
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  Speaker 4: like to say uncharacteristic from what we've seen from Kerry
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  Speaker 4: Carpenter in the past. But here for almost a month,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, sixty one plate appearances, zero walks. That's pretty
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  Speaker 4: telling in itself. His chase rate is in the bottom
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  Speaker 4: nine percentile. He's chasing four percentage points more often than
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  Speaker 4: he was last year. He's swinging at the first pitch
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  Speaker 4: a lot more often. He's swinging in general more often,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's getting him in trouble. Now he's
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  Speaker 4: a name out there. Now, people know how to attack him.
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  Speaker 4: He's getting a lot of high stuff, some pitches that
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  Speaker 4: aren't easy to handle, may have to put him in
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  Speaker 4: some disadvantage counts, and then he's chasing but seems like
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  Speaker 4: you're seeing a little bit of an unraveling of his
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  Speaker 4: approach that he hasn't quite been able to snap out
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  Speaker 4: of here for a little bit. And I'm worried about
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  Speaker 4: him physically. We all see it. We see him running
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  Speaker 4: and that's it's ugly. I don't know if that's affecting
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  Speaker 4: him at the plate. I've talked to Carry about this.
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  Speaker 4: He says it's not. But at a time where he
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  Speaker 4: is clearly physically hampered and cannot run one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 4: he's also not being productive at the plate kind of
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  Speaker 4: has me, what, dude, is this is it worth it?
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  Speaker 4: Like I respect trying to play through an injury, you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to lose carry carpenter or do an ile stint.
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  Speaker 4: Except the carry carpenter we've been seeing lately is not
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  Speaker 4: not really carry bonds. So I'm sure he'll snap out
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  Speaker 4: of this. Right he's going to start hitting, but I
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  Speaker 4: think he's got to reel back in the chase, and then,
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  Speaker 4: obviously I hope that hamstring is going to get better.
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  Speaker 4: At some point he has, he's got to be able
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  Speaker 4: to round third base.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't happen though, Like that's just like the hamstring
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  Speaker 1: gets better.
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  Speaker 4: It just like there's no way for better right and
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  Speaker 4: some lefties, so he's going to get some more time off,
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  Speaker 4: but kind of feels like a band aid, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I hope the band aid's enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how I mean he said, You've talked to him
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  Speaker 1: about it obviously, you know, being around the clubhouse stuff
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  Speaker 1: like how does he like seem in general not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: specific to you know, uh, this this thing or that thing,
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  Speaker 1: but like you know, there are real waves with the
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  Speaker 1: carry carpenter experience, and he's you know, he AJ's unwavering
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  Speaker 1: and the responsibility that is put on him. Uh but
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  Speaker 1: and then you throw the injury, like just how is he?
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  Speaker 2: How is he?
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  Speaker 4: No, he seems to me like he's doing great. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he you know, and I'm sure he's frustrated, like not
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  Speaker 4: playing that well you know for little bit here, but
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  Speaker 4: I haven't noticed a change in his mood. Talking to
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  Speaker 4: him Sunday morning, he seemed, you know, pretty adamant about
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  Speaker 4: wanting to to continue playing and talked about the pregame
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  Speaker 4: routine with the trainers and such to take care of
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  Speaker 4: the hamstrings, you know, but I did kind of ask,
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  Speaker 4: like you wouldn't be out here if there was fear
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  Speaker 4: you could make this injury worse, right, and I'd have
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  Speaker 4: to read off the exact quote. But I kind of
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  Speaker 4: felt like he said, no, like that's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of a concern. I don't I should probably read off
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  Speaker 4: the exact quote. I don't have it in front of me.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get it with our producers on that. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so that's that's kind of what's up with Kerry Carpenter
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  Speaker 4: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and why why while you're getting to that,
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  Speaker 1: I will say, like he I do want to give
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  Speaker 1: him credit because this hamstring thing has it's been a
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  Speaker 1: thing for a bit now, like and and it's not
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  Speaker 1: like he's been highlight less in that time, like he
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  Speaker 1: you know, so like I don't want to say like
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  Speaker 1: he's been I don't want people to think that I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking zero uh prod, you know, production wise, but like
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  Speaker 1: it's clearly a thing. And we're in mid June, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, like dude, in theory, you're you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be playing like five more months of baseball.
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  Speaker 4: Like here's the quote. There's the thought that it could
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  Speaker 4: get worse. Yes, but that is something we have to
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  Speaker 4: deal with. I don't think it's going to get worse.
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  Speaker 4: We're doing everything we can pregame to make sure it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't get worse.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like what you will from that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, almost seems like, yeah, you can get hurt anytime,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, might as well play, I guess. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right because they're you know, we've seen this before
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  Speaker 1: with like key players and hamstrings.
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  Speaker 2: It was a thing last year.
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  Speaker 1: As well, So so yeah, there's like I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say I'm concerned about Carrie per se, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: monitoring everything, you know, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: I think the theme of this whole episode, Karen is
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  Speaker 4: like everything is it's still great. This team has an
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  Speaker 4: eight and a half game division lead, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mean that they're perfect. That doesn't mean there aren't issues.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean we can't talk about those issues. The
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  Speaker 4: sky is not falling when you have an eight and
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  Speaker 4: a half game division lead. But we're now talking about
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  Speaker 4: a team that is trying to win an American League pinnate,
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  Speaker 4: and we're seeing some issues creep up that are beginning
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: to become big deals, I think, and so we're talking
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's all everything is framed with like what
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: this team's like, what this team could do in the endgame.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Everything's framed around that. So like I appreciate like the
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: up in the anti conversation wise from the fans and then.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: The media and you know, and you know the.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Way you guys ask questions, Like everything is is with
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: you know, October in mind, and that's a good thing.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But like.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: There are gonna be some some pieces they're going to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: have to be added to this team if you want
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to get to that end game. And we'll talk about
• 17:04
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• 17:08
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cody, Uh. Sometimes AJ is very hard to read.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes AJ is very easy to read.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And when.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I don't want to laugh and make light of somebody,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, essentially getting fired. So you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I want to want to take this with the good
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the right amount of grace. But when John Brebrio went
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: out on Saturday into the game after pitching on Friday,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you know it's back to back blowouts, I was like, mm,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if if he's long for this Detroit
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Tigers world. And then of course Sunday morning they announced
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that he has been designated for assignments and Tyler Owens
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: gets to call up John Brebria in his brief time
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: with the Tigers had a negative point six war and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sported a seven point seven to one e r A.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It never really felt like he.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Had his full command like this season, and it was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it was pretty apparent early on that AJ was going
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to use him, and I guess you could say special
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: situations and and eventually that's just not good roster management,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: uh to do that, And you know, you know, it
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: had to be bad for the Tigers to move on
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: from somebody who has a team option. Scott Harris loves
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: those team options. So John Breba no longer a member
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: De Troit Tigers.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brevia was the one offseason signing that just always
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: felt strange to me, like he was a project. He
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: was very bad last season. Within his time with the
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: White Sox, he was a little better at the end
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: of the year. And so you point that out and
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you look at some of his pass and you look
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: at you know, how he grades out on pitch modeling,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: and it's like, well, like, Okay, give the Tigers the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt. You know, they're taking a chance
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: on this guy, but they didn't. Really it felt weird
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: to kind of force a little bit of a project
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: into the end of the bullpen, and then that project
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: just didn't work out. I mean, he was brought here
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: for his fastball that even last year, you know, one
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: oh two stuff plus, it was an above league average
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: fastball in terms of just like the characteristics of the pitch,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: fastball is bad. This year eighty nine stuff plus easily
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the worst of his career, and he wasn't like the
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: VLO was down a little bit. The pitch, I think
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it was a little more horizontal and maybe not in
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: a good way. And then ultimately the location was poor.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: The thought was he has got he's got a good fastball.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: The Tigers wanted to help him improve some secondary stuff,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: and when the fastball wasn't there, the secondary stuff kind
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: of didn't matter. And when the location wasn't there, it
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: was either you know, out of the zone or damage.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: It just wasn't a good recipe and it wasn't really
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: getting better. And in a timeline where you're trying to
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: win as many games as you can, there wasn't really
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: room to hang on to the project. So unfortunately, I
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: think we all saw it coming. We saw how AJ
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Houston this past weekend got all you could out of it. Unfortunate.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I really liked John Brebia. He's a nice guy, he's
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: a very funny guy. But this was a move that
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: had to be made, and this was a signing that
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: didn't work out, and unfortunately. Now we're talking about the
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: pitching being on thin ice. One of the reasons it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: on thin ice for as many great things as this
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: team in this front office has accomplished the past few years,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: you add up Kintamaida, Alex Cobb, John Brebia, and like
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: three pretty big misses, and that's one big reason that
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the pitching's pretty dicey right now.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it feels.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Even though we've been monitoring, it does almost feel like
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: it's still snuck up because like, especially with this best
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: thing whatever that ends up being, which there will probably
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: not much to talk about right now because we don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: know like the full injury, but you know.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: We'd feeling in this pinky What does that even mean?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So so, Yeah, I mean it's like you if he
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: misses anytime, that's half of your like that's literally fifty
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: percent of your end game.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Moves.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Tommy Kinley have kind of been godsence because pretty much
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: the entire. I mean, I guess Chase Lee and Brent
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Herder have done some good things, but yeah, the rest
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: of your moping has been straight up bad, honestly.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Bad or or just like under achieving based on what
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you believe, like you know, the whole obviously hasn't.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Been Yeah, hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been tighter.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Hold yeah, So.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you you there's always arms, you know, like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll find something, But I'll ask the question
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that I ask every single time, why not Matt Manning
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: as my my favorite?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I think we're getting to a point where that's not
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: out of the realm of possibilities just because you need somebody,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And he's on the forty.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So it's like, like, what's in my opinion, and I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: said this before, in my opinion, I don't see what
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the point of having him hold a forty spot if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: if these situations are happening and you can't find any
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: use for him. So anyway, maybe maybe it will finally
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: come down.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Come down to that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And as we wrap up kind of like a simpler podcast,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I don't have any like analysis for it, but man,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Jami the whole Jami Jones thing is still fun.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It's still fun. It's so awesome shut.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Out seven for thirteen. I think he's gonna be here
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: for a second.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, man, yeah, and you could tell, like the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: guy has a great enthusiasm for the game and uh
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and he seem I mean obviously seven and thirteen. So
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it's not like groundbreaking, but he's quickly acclimated to this
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: specific type of role. Like one of the reasons that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know you loved watching Andy A. Banyas in years
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: past is that like he felt like he felt good
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: about basically being a relief hitter, you know what I mean,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Like it was like he carried himself in a way
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that it was like an enthusiastic thing for somebody who's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: not gonna start every day. He might not play every day,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and Jones has kind of taken that mantle almost literally
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: while also doing the uh you know, the justin Henry Maloy, uh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you know, batting lead off DH and getting pinch hit
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: for for Krret Carpenter aspect of the team. So shout
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: out JAMAI shout out to Riley for having some having
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a himself a weekend. You know, these are all these things
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that we could have been like, you know, going on
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and on about but it just it feels weird after
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that game to kind of speak glowingly about it. You know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: maybe that's unfair on our end, but it's just that's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: how it feels right now.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, Saturday wasn't good either, Kiaran, Yeah, Sunday was
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: so ugly. It saved us from another Jack Flaherty conversation. Yeah,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: make this. I don't know right when, right when we
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: thought Jack had it figured out, it was the worst
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: start of the year. That's the Jack Flarity experience.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's that's that's the Jack Flarerity experience.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: We've run.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: We've run that roller coaster time and time and time again.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: But try to stop writing it so much except when
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: we're just we're kind of been talking about a roller coaster.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what else we're supposed to do.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you got the Pirates coming up that hopefully, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: will help, and then you'll obviously get Schoolble on the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: mound in this series, and that, you know, in theory.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Should help things along a little bit.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and and this month is characterized by having
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Mondays off, so hopefully this is some sort of rest
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and recovery aspect, team aspect for the team as well
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: this month, because there are times where it does look
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more running on fumes than not.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Uh and and that's that's that's all.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Part of it. That's part of the season in general.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So and by the way, it's a lot harder to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: run when everybody's chasing you. So they never experienced this
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: before obviously, except for you know, some of the older
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: older cats on their glaber by the way, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: watch shout out Labor for his Friday and we'll be
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: talking about him this week. That's a that's a tease there, Cody.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Anything else you wanted to get into before the jet out.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Here, No, that's it. Like I want to reiterate, Tigers
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: have a comfortable lead in the Ale Central. They're in
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: a good spot. This is still fun, but they've hit
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: a little bit of a rough patch and or even
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: more than that, like there are just some pretty big
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: questions that are going to continue to be questions probably
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: leading up to the trade deadline. So there's some things
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to pay attention to here as the Tigers try to
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: try to really assert themselves as a force to be
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: reckoned with.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely and and you've gotten some help on you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: from the rest of Major League Baseball. It's not really
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: all that alarming so long season. The team that we
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that we see right now is not gonna be the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: team that we see in August and September and you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: looking looking like October. Uh so we're gonna probably laugh
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: at moments like this. There's a good chance there's a good.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Team we're gonna laugh about.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: How like, seriously, we were concerned about x y z
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: uh in a couple of months, but sometimes you got
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to allow yourself to be a prisoner of the moment.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Oh right.
• 27:50
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• 28:03
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