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Ep246 ‘Massage & Manual Therapy: A Modern View’ - Reflection with Cecily Hislop · The STA Clinician Podcast

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Music.
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Welcome to episode 246 of the Sports Therapy Association podcast.
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My name is Matt Phillips, creativerunshotlive.com. And as always,
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this episode is being recorded live eight o'clock Tuesday on the Sports Therapy
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Association YouTube channel.
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Except that it's not, because this is a re-record as we had internet connection
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issues in the live version.
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So my guest, Cicely Hislop of South Phoenix Massage Therapy,
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has kindly agreed to get together with me once more so we can get this very
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important episode out to you. and that's just the way we roll at Sports Therapy Association.
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We can't deliver something that's sub-quality so yeah
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we're re-recording it so there's not a live lounge at the moment there's nobody
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here to ask questions but it is the 12th episode of our Reflection Series and
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Cecily Hisslop is going to be reflecting on episode 118 of the Sports Therapy
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Association podcast which was entitled Massage and Manual Therapy a Modern View
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and was recorded way back in 2022 with Paul Coker and Anna-Marie Matsieri.
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Just before we bring up Cecily, a big thank you to my guest last week,
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who was Nicola Smith of Camomel Health Holistic.
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And she joined me to reflect on episode 210, Musculoskeletal Health at Menopause,
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that were recorded in 2024 in August with special guest Michelle Lyons.
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Nicola, in that episode, gave me some of the pearls of wisdom that Michelle
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Lyons is famous for. It's a fantastic lesson for practitioners, male and female,
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We want to be able to support patients or clients who currently are or could
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be going through menopause or perimenopause.
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So that's available, as always, in all popular podcast apps.
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And if you want to watch the video, then it's on the Sports Therapy Association YouTube channel.
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Talking of Michelle Lyons, Michelle Lyons will be speaking at the STA Southwest
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Conference happening in Exmouth this September the 20th and 21st in collaboration
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with the ST School and Hands-On Hub.
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Michelle is going to be presenting on day one which
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is Saturday the 20th of September in the main theatre 11 no
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11 3 55 p.m in a presentation called the menstrual detective why the fifth vital
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sign might be the missing link in MSK health for female athletes it's gonna
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be an amazing weekend of speakers and presentations including Michelle also
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Claire Minchell Serena Simmons James Earles Andy Hosgood and lots, lots more.
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All details are available at the stschool.co.uk along with tickets.
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I'll be emceeing the two days and also delivering a presentation myself on communication with runners.
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And I'm not sure if you're going to catch the early bird now.
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Is it the 27th we're recording this? I'll try and get this out tomorrow,
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in which case you've got until the end of June to get your rather substantial early bird discount.
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Otherwise, what's going to happen is that's going to move into the summer tier,
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which is still a discount off the whole amount.
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But hopefully, But yeah, just
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consider it. It's not a lot considering the speakers you're going to get.
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And also this theme we've put together for these two days, which really is focusing
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on you, the therapist, and how all these amazing speakers, the information they're
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going to give is truly going to reflect in your practice when you go back to clinic.
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But there's going to be a lot of invitations to reflect yourself,
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to collaborate truly with other people around you, to ask and answer questions
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that might be a bit difficult for you to kind of own up to straight away.
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But it's all basically what the learning curve needs to have at the end of a
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conference in order to retain and make some of that information useful.
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So I sincerely hope that you do encourage it. That's Exmouth in collaboration
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with the ST Score and Hands-On Hub on September the 20th and 21st.
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Right then, let's crack on with this episode. Reflecting on episode 118,
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Massage and Manual Therapy and Modern View.
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My guest, once again, re-reflecting, Cecily Hislop of South Phoenix Massage
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Therapy. I'll bring her up now.
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Music.
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Visiting last time deja vu getting a massive
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deja vu but no but thank you very much for doing
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this all over again because a i admittedly
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i was quite nervous and giggly but it's such a shame that i said we just sort
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of kept losing each other and i think there are times just sort of sitting there
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going okay he's there somewhere in the ether but i can't see him and i can't
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hear him or i think there are times you went very sort of you were in fast forward
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and yes i had the same thing of mine
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it would have been torture for any podcast listener so no
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thank you for joining me again the next half hour just
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to reflect on the episode so for people
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who i mean a lot of people do know you i'm happy to say and happy for them because
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they've made you at the expo or they know you through the hands on hub and the
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great work you do there online and at places like therapy expo but for people
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who don't know you and what you do could you give us a little idea of where
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you are in the world and what you do work was of course i if you want to go
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by certification I'm a level four sports massage therapist.
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I am based in southeast Cornwall.
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Despite the accent, I am actually Cornish, but I just can't,
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born and raised, I can't do an accent to save my life.
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I first trained as a beauty therapist 31 years ago.
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And so I spent the first good few years of my working life doing that.
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So doing the normal kind of sparse stuff for facials, massages, body wraps, nails.
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And then when I moved back to Cornwall 23 years ago, still did it for a little
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bit, but ended up working in retail for a long, long time.
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And then after I done a sequel and one job, I went back and did my level three,
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level four, VTCT certificates and diplomas, et cetera.
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Had the Iraqs, I was set up with homework and then did during COVID,
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which was fun, read textology, diploma, because I, I felt, as a lot of therapists,
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oh, I've got to have more tools in my toolkit, so let's do something.
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And also in 2019, that's when I set up the business of South Phoenix.
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That's a common feeling, isn't it? That's a common feeling. I need more tools.
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I need more tools. I've got to do more. I've got to do more.
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Fantastic. How did you get involved in the Hanson Hub and Anna Maria Matsieri
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and the ST School and all of that?
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Oh, well, I think I was kind of lucky in that regard.
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I discovered Anna Maria through, funnily enough, SKA podcast. That makes sense.
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I started watching one. I can't remember if it was 2020 or 2021.
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But it was, again, it was certainly around COVID.
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And I've got to be honest I'd never heard of
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the school now considering it's what an hour's drive away from me
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over the Tamar I had no idea that existed then
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all of a sudden it's like oh actually there's training that's
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really close to me and I'd done
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a couple of webinars certainly one
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of them was recognizing red flags another one
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was I think it was Eric Purvis's
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three three-part series to do
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with sort of pain fibromyalgia and at
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the same time I had done a head shave for charity and I
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know we mentioned this sort of last time so just to give a brief heads up I
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also worked for an optician and sadly during 20 what year now 2025 so 2023 one
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of our opticians was diagnosed with three glioblastoma multiforms which are inoperable and.
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During this time because it's a family-run opticians
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we're very very close-knit the boss
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who owns the practice for Kayla and I decided to shave our heads and raise money
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for brain tumor research we posted it
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on our social medias I think somewhere on my certainly certainly
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on my business page on my personal page there was a photograph of me freshly shorn
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no head looking like a proper bother boy
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and i don't
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really see i think at that point she was possibly following my business page
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and she sort of reached out and that's how i got involved with the hands on
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hub and i think she liked my posts for some daft reason she seems to like me
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and it's all sort of spawned from that and then last year she asked me to sort of,
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i say run the page but kind of be responsible for
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posts sharing things trying to create content and
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it's all just sort of built up from that that's fantastic
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i mean i think i said last time that's it's so nice sometimes i sit here or
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quite often these days with my age i start thinking where did all the years
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go where did they all go but when i know that like with the episodes we were
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putting out in 2021 whatever it was i remember the eric pervs course i remember
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so to think that But when that was happening,
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you were getting to know Anna-Marie Maccieri and developing that relationship.
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And now, where you are now and everything the Hands On Hub is, it's lovely.
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It makes me realize that the last three or four years have been well spent.
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I've got a nice tangible example now in the fact that we helped you and Anna-Marie
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together, which is great.
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It's interesting. Yeah. So you're in charge of the Hands On Hub group,
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which is private, but that's to kind of keep the unsolicited,
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wanted people out of there.
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But no one needs to actually, as long as you're a soft tissue therapist,
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you can join up with the Hands On Hub group.
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Okay that's interesting because as a reminder of what we got on next
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week in fact on tuesday coming up which
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is i'll bring up the screen for people who watch you on youtube we have got
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a whole episode devoted to facebook groups which in theory
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are set up to support maybe less experienced massage therapists but there's
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a topic going around at the moment where sometimes these groups just there's
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down to communication i guess certain therapists are feeling threatened by some
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of the criticism or maybe some of the criticism is badly put but there's a bit
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of a conflict going on so we're going to talk about that next week with a panel.
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It's going to be two parts.
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The first part is going to be therapists who feel that they have been treated
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badly in these groups when they just asked a question and suddenly jumped on and judged.
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And that's going to be called Facebook groups for massage therapists,
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helpful or hateful, bit of clickbait, but it won't get the idea.
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And then the week after, we're going to have a few of the more experienced therapists
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who hands on heart will be kind of saying, yeah, maybe I've overstepped the
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mark sometimes, but it gets so tiring,
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saying the same thing again and again, and just seeing our
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industry being brought down or kept on the same level because
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of a lot of the misinformation that's out there so it's really
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nice to have someone in here now who is kind of i don't
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like to use the word policing because that sets up a negative connotation straight
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away but looking after one of these
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groups which provides support for um for
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hands-on therapists but you do it very well if anything you're a prime example
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of how it's it spreads that it's like everything isn't it it comes down from
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the leader at the top or the person at the top and you kind of let this flow
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of positivity and no judgment and inclusivity kind of running the group and
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it seems to work. So thank you very much.
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My pleasure. Right. The exciting question. You had 240 episodes of the Sports
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Therapy Association podcast to choose from, to reflect on.
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Obviously, we have Anna-Marie Matsieri, which might be your answer. Yeah.
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Why episode 118? Yeah, exactly. And that's why it was. Thanks for reflecting.
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We'll be back next week. I want a bit of Paul Coker.
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Now, what was it particularly about episode 118, Massage and Manual Therapy,
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a modern view that made you think, yeah, I want to reflect on this episode from a couple of years ago?
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To be fair, it was actually quite hard to choose from.
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Stevie and Tristan sort of because they snuck in there very timely.
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So we did the episode that I really fancy doing.
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But when I was looking through the key
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thing that stuck out apart from the fact they're both great therapists
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in their own fields they're in
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the southwest and obviously it's a
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it's the part of the country I live in and but
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whether it's perception or whether it's knowledge on my part I
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always felt for such a long time you seem to be really
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behind in terms of having specialist therapist
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having specialist independent training so
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having two people who are the
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fourth I said at the forefront of what they do in terms of their in terms of
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their careers so Anna obviously as we know has the ST school so they are they
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do their level five diploma in soft tissue therapy but they do their they do
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their sort of webinars and sort of face-to-face courses from anything that I've
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mentioned already, red flags,
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to understanding pain,
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to, you know, hot stones. So anything and everything...
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If you want to use the term a modern massage therapist is kind
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of needing is encompassed you
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know so within her practice and within her training and then
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you look at Paul and obviously I
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think it seemed last year part of a therapy expo you've got somebody who's incredibly
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specialized and yeah well the niche is the right word in what he does with the
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vestibular system and it's great and it's informal I mean he's certainly not
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the only Cornish physio you've had on this channel I mean, you've got Andrew McCauley.
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Emily, I can't think of a surname who works for Isla Sell.
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Again, actually not too far from my island. Sweet, Emily Sweet. Yes, thank you.
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And it's lovely that finally we are getting, and okay, I'll have to include
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Devon as well, although really slapping the risk of being Cornish.
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It's great that this area, which is so often overlooked in terms of business,
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in terms of money, are now having the go-to people in their fields.
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And, you know, I feel actually really proud of that, that it's here and it's available.
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Whereas, I mean, I know school's been around since 2008. I can't remember how
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long they're pooled set up.
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But as I said, for so long, it seems as though it's not been there and the opportunities.
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I mean, even when I did my levels three and four, and that would have been 2006, 2008, No, hang on.
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What am I talking about? 2016 to 2018. Sorry, just sticking 10 years on that.
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And again, being unaware of what else is out there and digressing here slightly.
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I don't think they're aware of the existence of all these other therapists who provide the training.
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So to get them up there, to get their names up there and to promote them,
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to me is just very, very important for our whole MSK community.
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That's great. And that's a great bit of reflection to take from,
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I think, because I mean, this episode was all about how do we help,
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you know, massage therapists evolve without kind of making them run away and
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feel like everything they've learned has been a con, waste of money.
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But one of the things is just reaching massage therapists in the first place.
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And it's great to hear that a show like this has managed to kind of introduce
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you to people who were on your doorstep who you didn't know about.
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So it's one of the positive sides of the internet. So that's great.
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And it's another reason why, I mean, with this conference we're doing in Exmouth
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in September the 20th and 21st, traditionally we've been in Therapy Expo,
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which is when I say we, it's the STA theatre and the Hands-On Hub.
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But we realised that for a lot of members, they just can't get to these conferences.
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It's not necessarily because of lack of money. It's just they can't do it in
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the middle of the week and travel that far and have to stay somewhere.
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So we're hoping that conferences like this, we've managed to set up around the
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country so that people can hear about it.
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And they might not even go to it, but at least they'll hear that someone in
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their area is on their doorstep and help them. So very exciting.
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Let's have a look, if we may, about some of the points which were raised inside that episode,
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which you think listeners might be interested in
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you mentioned paul i must admit paul paul coker is amazing if people
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haven't heard of paul coker he's been around since dinosaurs i'm
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saying that very kindly but i mean people might know him
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originally from being the the kind of
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medical officer for rock tape i think back in
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the day and so was uh all of the
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therapy expos and i met him through the physio matters podcast team
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and everything but he's a wonderful wonderful educator now he's got move physio
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down in cornwall and is specializing like he said in the vestibular assessment
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of people which is something which even three years ago was quite not many people
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were mentioning it it's become more popular to talk about now but paul is always
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ahead of his time always and he's so quick.
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To defend hands-on therapy and
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as a physio that's quite refreshing isn't it to hear
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it is again i'm i'm probably skidding a
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bit forward but it's one of the points i really liked about what he said was
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supporting massage therapists and let me just remind myself of my notes he's
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a good manual therapy isn't defined by job title and again i think that's so
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important i mean when i did my level three.
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It helped me already being a beauty therapist in terms of knowing how to massage
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people, knowing about my anatomy and physiology.
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But I came up going, I know nothing about what I want to get into.
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And I think I was too hard on myself. I'd want to do the level four anyway,
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but I think I was very hard on myself going, well, I can't do this and I can't
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do this and I can't do this and I can't do this. So what can I do?
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And so having somebody who saying that,
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you know, it doesn't matter where you're at you can
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still have the same benefit you can still have the
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same purpose it's you
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know you can have excellent massage therapists esophagus with therapists who
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have a great understanding of their clients who know how to communicate who
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know how to listen who know how to understand okay they might not be able to
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diagnose or treat in that in that sort of level,
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but it doesn't matter because they're still giving the help that they can give to their clients.
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Whereas I have through various times of life seen physios, chiros,
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osteos, who haven't necessarily had that sort of great patient communication.
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Yes, they're great at doing the kind of clinical stuff, but when it comes to
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the sitting and talking and listening, it hasn't been so good,
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but then you can flip that all over again.
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So every single part of us has a role to play in a person's health.
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If we look at a couple of keywords, which I brought up, support and community,
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I've worked alongside a really lovely chiropractor who's based in Bodman,
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who actually is my husband's and my father's chiropractor.
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And, you know, we could often disagree in the staff room about what we're actually
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trying to do and what we're doing.
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But at the same time, knowing how patient focused she is, it was a lovely blend
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of, you know, I can do this, but I can't do that. So because you're a massage
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therapist, this is your chance to do what you can do.
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And so going forward, well, I can massage, I can do a bit of stretching,
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I can do some METs, but actually I can't do that.
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And then you can sort of flip it all around and each of us has a place in our little community.
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It's a very good way of looking at it. Yeah, a multidisciplinary approach.
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And Anna Maria said in that particular episode that we kind of consider our
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skills as what's on the certificate on the wall behind us, but she says, and I'm quoting here,
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much of our skill actually needs to be to understand the person in front of
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us and what that person needs and what that person responds to.
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So like you say, it's listening skills, not jumping out with a solution and
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working with the individual.
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And if it means referring onto a more suitable practitioner, that's fantastic.
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But it may be working with them and you doing your stuff and then doing their
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stuff. And so, yeah, very interesting.
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So you, have you, a common theme on the podcast is the frustration of when you
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do kind of CPD and like courses with the ST score and you discover that some
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of the stuff you learned originally on your main kind of foundation course isn't
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quite as black and white as it seemed to be. Some of the things are actually might be wrong.
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Is this stuff that you went through and how did you feel when you heard about it? oh
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my gosh totally as i said because i'm an old
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school beauty therapist you know we learned about that whole shifting
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toxins knots knots in your muscles and
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you know we're affecting the lip we're affecting blood circulation we're improving
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this and oh god this is so tragic but i remember there's a chap who does a lot
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on youtube although rarely now called massage sloth so again when i was training
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it was kind of picking up bits of information and i think he did a video about,
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toxins and lactic acids and i actually just remember shouting at this youtube
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video going why are you just proving this is true why are you saying this and you just go you saddo.
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Shouting at video but i i think i
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think we've got to be open-minded and a lot
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i mean going back through particularly the
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sports massage training you're not
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taught to think critically and you're not taught to think is this wrong
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and I remember having
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like a message a chat with Tristan about this sort of
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thing six weeks ago going
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you know seeing as I'm the most questioning person there
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is and I rarely take anything at face value I did
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when I was training and I don't know why I
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mean whether we think because as you say you know you're paying good
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money half the time for this training so you you want to be thinking that actually
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it is correct and what they're telling you is true and you're right it is disappointing
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when when you come out and going and you've got people for example like myself
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or and others on facebook going actually that's just a little.
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Ball and it's different i'm not surprised people
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feel that way and hopefully with what some of us are trying to do it's just
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go okay this is this isn't necessarily right but this is what you can now do
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to change your perspective and this is the way you can go to learn about the you know,
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I don't want to call them new theories because that sounds really insulting,
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but this is where evidence, sorry, this is where you can go and actually find
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the evidence that your training hasn't provided for you.
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That's a really nice way of putting it. And I'm hoping listeners who are,
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for example, maybe beauty therapists or just come out from beauty therapy are
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kind of thinking, what would you mean that we're not flushing out toxins?
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And what about the glass of water at the end but it doesn't matter okay it's
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something you might slowly take out of your repertoire there might
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be tens of other reasons to give your i mean giving your client a
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glass of water after treatment is lovely you don't take
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that away it's wonderful have those free bottles of water but just
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don't give them the idea now that unless they do that they're
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going to suffer because there's stuff in their body and it's going to make them feel fragile
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and weak and all that sort of stuff i loved it who was
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it it was actually one of the original massage collective
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people it was come on now who is it Anna-Marie Matt Cieri
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Matt Scarsbrook and Becky to Mott Horton Becky she once
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said her goal was for every client when.
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They leave her clinic room to feel stronger and more
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resilient and powerful and powered you know and that's a lovely idea so
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it's a good way to think through what you're saying to them are you
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making them walk out powered or are you making them out thinking oh I
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mustn't do that because otherwise my back's going to slip or my knee's going to
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come out and that sort of stuff so I want oh
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sorry no I once gained a really lovely client
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when i was working at the chiropractic kit by telling her by time we
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finished at lunchtime go home and have a glass of wine there you
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go um i obviously won't get into history but she
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had been through a very very stressful time overcoming she
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was in thawing stage of a frozen shoulder sort of caries have done their work
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now it was sort of down to me to kind of finish on getting her to where she
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needed to be and particularly when you're trained as a beauty therapist and
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you work in a spare environment where you've everything has got to be absolutely the same on point what.
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You know, this was our first treatment. I'm just going to say,
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no, don't go home drink water, it's lunch. Go hang on a glass of wine for crying out loud.
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And that's how I gained a client by going, you know, let's not do the normal
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tick box and let's not do the normal standard.
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Let's do something that actually is going to appeal to this person and try to
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normalize how they're feeling as well.
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That's very good. I like that. Yeah. Stepping out of the kind of robot stage
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of, I must do this tick, tick, tick, tick.
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And let's have a look at the person in front of us and see what might make their day at
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this moment in time you know that's great very nice
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example you know i was just going to say i mean
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i came from swedish massage
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in tps in the middle of a park with a
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very hippie instructor still goes to glastonby but i
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credit him for a lot of the empathy and
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intuition and calmness and patience that i you know that i would use with a
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client so i'm wondering you don't look back at the beauty days with regret do
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you think there's lots of stuff you picked up there which is actually making
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you a better therapist now oh hell no i mean i was really lucky i.
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Certainly at the time i'm kind of going back to training in the southwest saltash
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college college which doesn't exist anymore i think was the only place in corner teaching bupatherapy,
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and i was still in my hometown of bobman i wanted to
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escape and see the bright lights in the big city so i moved to london and
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i was very lucky that my parents were able to
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pay for me to be privately tutored and i
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went to a very posh college called steiner's we used to be in grove in the street
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right in the heart of mayfair and yeah they'd sort of do all the cruise ships
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if anybody knows anything about beta therapy you know you'll kind of heard of
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steiner's i did a year's year's worth of monday to friday nine to five two diplomas
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nationally recognized internationally recognised.
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We used to have dermatologists from St Thomas' Hospital come and give us lectures. It was that smart.
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And yes, early 1920s theories are typically debunked now, but we were taught
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how to present ourselves, how to.
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Help our clients, how to listen, how to take our time, how to treat, how to communicate.
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Absolutely, there is no way.
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Had I not been a beauty therapist, making the decision to go back and retrain
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to do sports massage, I don't think I would have done it.
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Because without that, and I'm not going to rant about training and looking back now,
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the absolutely huge gaps, I think
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they're in it because this is possibly another discussion for another day but
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I couldn't have done it without that it
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taught me so so much and
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then once I had done my training I worked in what was a very famous ladies spa
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called the sanctuary which was right in the heart of Covent Garden and again
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I worked with so many different therapists not just three therapists we had
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specialized martial therapists we had people doing bowing we had people doing pilates.
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And again we could all get together discuss our
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different our different styles if
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that's what you want to call it our different teachings our different
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learnings our different understandings and I've
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been very very blessed to have been in that environment and
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it's also then why I'm quite so passionate
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about again going back to these Facebook forums and
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a couple of posts you did a couple of them sorry podcasts should be doing
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further it's why I'm very very passionate about training because
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looking back on all the training I've done for all the courses I've done all
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the CPD I've done I've now got a good idea of what is good what quite frankly
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is pants and then what is lacking at what I think at base level for so many
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therapists but I'm not going to rant I've just calmed down,
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You're not ranting I think you think you're ranting when really you present a really nice intro,
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and you make people feel relaxed and then you just tweak it a little bit saying but,
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and I think it's good, I think a lot of people think that the progression from
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the stuff we've been taught which provided a base which did have a few bit of
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information and stuff which we need to kind of tweak as we start working with
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people with pain the most challenging thing is just realising saying,
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okay, I've got to change a tiny bit.
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It's just a wall goes up, doesn't it? It really does.
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It's not that much you have to change. It's just a little bit of thinking.
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And then that opens doors for you because ultimately you're going to help so
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many more people and you get so much better results and you're going to start
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thinking, oh, thank God.
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I'm so glad that I listened to that STA podcast with Cicely Hislop.
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It's brilliant. It's nothing but flowers in the future.
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Right then, what else from that particular episode did you note down that was
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worth reflecting Hang on. Let's go back to the note.
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I'm going to ignore... I'm going to bring it back to supporting the community.
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So again, this is going to sort of touch it on social media slightly.
28:38
But coming back to the STA and the podcasts, I think it's Paul who mentioned
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the sporting community.
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And as a solo practitioner, it's an incredibly key thing.
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Also bringing it back to COVID, when none of us really knew exactly what we
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could do, what we couldn't do.
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There was so much indecisive of the government. And this is not meant to be
29:00
a political statement, whether you agree what their actions were or not.
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You know, we just didn't need to do. And again, that's how I came to find the
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STA, because at the time I wasn't a member of any professional association.
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I'd left my previous one because I wasn't happy.
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I was struggling to do their definitions of CPD.
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So I thought, oh, blow this, blow this, blow this. There's no point in me paying
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my money out, getting nothing out of it.
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And that's why bring it back to facebook as well i
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think it's important whether you agree with what people say what
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they don't say the questions they're asking it's so important in this msk community
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to have a sense community to have a sense of support whether you're you know
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a young therapist starting out whether you're an as i say no bat like me has
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been doing this for 30 years years,
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we still need to listen and we still need to learn.
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And for those of us who have more experience, we can give our experiences.
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And I think that's really important.
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Again, I'm not necessarily always right. I am, even after doing this,
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as long as I've been doing it, I am not an expert.
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If I was an expert, I'd be quite frankly living on a Caribbean island doing antsy sod all day.
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But you can still learn from each other. You can still learn from young ones.
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I mean, And to bring this back to the opticians I work for, we have two opticians
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who've been doing this for 30-odd years.
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So actually probably together, they've done it for 70 years.
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And we've got a younger, lovely girl who completely qualified and signed off
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probably about a year and a half ago.
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And you can look it up from the two perspectives of okay you've
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got people doing this for a very very long time then you've also got
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somebody who's freshly educated and there's
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a lovely medium between the two of them as to what they
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can help each other with because the younger one can remind the older
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ones well actually this this and this and this and this and then the older ones
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can guide the younger ones and go well actually hey maybe try this and this
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is what I found over the years so community to me is such a big thing and then
31:05
to bring it back to the hands-on hub as why you've been charged and sort of,
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what I'm saying, running it.
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I think it's important that therapists have a space, again, a little brush on
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it, where they can communicate, when they can talk freely.
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I know I'm asking questions and some of them are sitting there going,
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oh, God, what's she off on about this week?
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But I want to put things out there so people aren't afraid to ask or,
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oh, there is some where we can get information about,
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So that was a key thing to me. This is going to bring it back to that.
31:37
That's very good. It is an overriding theme in there.
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But then again, with Anna-Mai Matsya and everything she tries to do through
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the ST school and Paul Koko, with everything he's done with Rock Tape and with
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his own private Move Cornwall, Move Physio Cornwall.
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Yeah, it's not surprising that the episode talked a lot about that.
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And it's lovely. I mean, this is why the STA is working in collaboration with
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the Hands On Hub to produce this conference, which I hope is going to be kind of first of a kind.
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And everything you're talking about that create a community is
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going to be hopefully what happens at the conference and we're
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going to keep the social evening quite tame aren't we you in charge of drinks
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table make sure that that's all kept very responsible i'm staying
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on that one then yeah but it's
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gonna be great it's gonna be really good collaboration and uh and
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and yeah because our founder so gary benson the sta his the
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reason he set up the sports therapy association was very similar
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he was working for other organizations which he felt were kind
32:30
of like offering membership and then selling courses and there was just a mixture
32:33
of different interests going on which didn't work and he
32:36
just his his kind of like goal was i don't want
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any member to ever feel alone i want them to feel they've got somebody they can
32:42
turn to and get support unbiased you know support so and that's and now here
32:46
we are today with yeah two and a half thousand downloads people listening to
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you now so thank you for giving us your time so yeah great as as i mentioned
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And Michelle Lyons is going to be at the Ex-Burlis.
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Just bring this up. I think people do like the pictures as well.
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If you do see two different types of artwork, it's because it is a collaboration.
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So the STA has got, we've got our artwork here, but you'll see the same kind
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of thing, but with the Handsome Hub artwork as well. But it's the same conference.
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And like I say, we've got not just Michelle Lyons, but obviously James Earles,
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which is a firm favourite.
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And again, a beautiful educator when it comes to evolving practice,
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particularly when it comes to anatomy and how we need to tweak things.
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You know, the way we look at things a little bit just to get a better understanding. Also, Dr.
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Claire Minchel, we're absolutely thrilled to have along as well,
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who's a fantastic educator when it comes to bringing the research and strength
33:33
and conditioning to people who are working on the shop floor.
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And so very excited to have Dr. Claire Minchel as well. And loads of other speakers.
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Andy Hosker is going to be overlooking the coaching and mentoring side of things.
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So yeah, it's going to be wonderful. And Cecily Hislock we'll have there as well.
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You're going to be there, aren't you? Yes. I will just be the gopher running
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around like a headless chicken, just doing us a mask.
33:55
But we always say with these conferences, it's so nice to, I mean,
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a lot of people have met you at Therapy Expo, which is a fantastic opportunity to network.
34:01
But hopefully we'll have some people who have never actually met each other
34:03
and have given each other a hug before as well.
34:05
Tristan Attenborough will be there giving out hugs. Oh, Tristan Attenborough
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is speaking as well, which is very exciting as well.
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And Gary Benson. So yeah, there'll be lots of hugs for people who want them
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and a chance to really kind of connect.
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And he does get very good hugs. He's a good hugger. He's a hugger. It's true.
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Which would surprise some people in social media support groups.
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But that's the thing about meeting someone in person you know
34:27
when i first met adam meekins i always say back in 2014 i
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think therapy expert manchester i went out to him someone said
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hello adam meekins over there and there's this guy with like elbow pads
34:37
and i went out to him i'm really i'm not sure let's give you
34:39
a hug or punch you in the face that was the first thing that came out of my mind
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and he was like oh i was like you sound like such a dude on social media but
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in actual fact you're really nice you're a nice person so it was bizarre but
34:51
yeah it's really handy meeting people in person is we'll talk about this next
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week but it's so tricky having a conversation with just words it's just it doesn't
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work it's one of the downfalls of the internet but anyway.
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We've been reflecting hopefully this is going to come out and this
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will be the last time we reflect on it for now for this week actually can
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i just say one more yes it's really important and again
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this is a combination of paul and anna massage therapy
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will always be here if the world was destroyed it's the
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one thing that will come back you're talking about hugging it
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is it is that touch and it is that social interaction
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and because it fires up your nervous system apparently i'm sorry i'm just reading
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my notes and again i love that it is it's such a basic form of communication
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of was it was um greg layman said about touching people nicely yeah i think he Yeah.
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And again, it is that, it's that whole context of reassurance, calm, confidence.
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And just sort of bring that to people. And I just thought, actually,
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you know, as a sort of final statement, I think there's nothing loved yet.
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Because it just, it's, okay, not all of us are necessarily massage therapists.
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But we are touching people as part of our jobs.
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Whether, you know, it's a massage, it's a stretch, it's demonstrating an exercise.
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And it's how we do it and the way that we do it that counts so much and helps
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people. So there you go. I'll shut up now.
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No, it's a very important point. and fortunately people at
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anime mats area i think at this moment still are stuck in sweden somewhere
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doing some fantastic research on to touch and what's
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actually happening under the skin and we are slowly realizing now
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the beautiful thing is once upon a time we were saying massage doesn't do
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this it doesn't do that it doesn't do that and we didn't have much to say what
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it does do but now when we're looking at the effect on the inflammatory system
36:43
and everything then we're realizing that touch has got quite an
36:46
important part to play and we're able to kind of back
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up what we've seen for a long time in terms of it providing
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part of multidisciplinary care with some actual research which
36:54
is very exciting which i'm sure anna maria will be talking about at the
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conference actually she will be so yeah great stuff
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thank you no thank you too i'm just so glad i haven't lost you no it's great
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i'm i'm confident that there's yeah there's been no spilling or or nicky mouse
37:12
kind of language or anything coming out perfectly normal and you have near you have too you have.
37:19
Right people so there we go we will be back
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on tuesday like i say with the part
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one of the social media conversation
37:29
which will be with people lovely group
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of therapists who feel that they people have overstepped the mark and made
37:35
them feel uncomfortable and made them feel like giving up and
37:38
all of that kind of stuff we don't want to happen in our industry and
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that'll be on tuesday the first of july if you want to come along and
37:44
join us for that which i'm hoping a lot of you do because it's something
37:47
where we want people to comment they said this to me they did
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this to me we want a lot of that this episode i mean
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there won't be any well there shouldn't in
37:55
theory be any kind of confrontation it's not
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we're mixing a room with people from different sides this episode is all about
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when it goes wrong okay there's if you feel this way then you feel this way
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no one can disagree with that the week after on july the 8th that's where we'll
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be looking at maybe the other side of the story where okay but our intention
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was to do this we need to do this because otherwise blah, blah, blah.
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And those people on the 8th will have had a chance to listen to people on the 1st.
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And then we might do a follow-up where we get everybody in the same room if
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I think that's a good idea. But I've still got to see how that goes.
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But do join us on Tuesday, the 1st of July, 8 o'clock on YouTube.
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We would love to see you there to get involved in the comments section.
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So that's it. Well done, Cecily Hisslop. Thanks very much again.
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Thank you too. I think we can safely close it down now knowing that it's going
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to go out fine. So thanks again, everybody.
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I hope we see you live. Take care.
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Music.