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#294 - For Azeroth!: “Lex Rising!” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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You guys missed the best open we've ever had on the history of
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the show and now we have to do it over again and there's no way
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it's going to be as good. I'm really sorry you missed this
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for. The Karen tour for.
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Pandaria. For calendar to.
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The burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich
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King. For the Sindori.
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For the alliance. For the horn for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of your hosts, Manny, AKA the true villain.
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Manny and I am joined by two parts of the Amazing Triumphant,
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joining us all the way from the wilderness.
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From parts unknown, it is Lex Rance.
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How are you doing? Vibing Manny.
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I'm popping right along. I'm having the time of my life.
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There we go, there we go. And of course, joining us
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freshly from his beachfront property, it is recruit a
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friend, Sean. Hello, Sean.
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Hi Manny. Hi, I can't believe you reused
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the same intro. Yeah.
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How you doing? You know?
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I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right.
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It is being a busy day, not just for me, definitely for you, and
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not just for the World of Warcraft because so much stuff
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has been happening. So we're going to dive right
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into it. But I'm going to start,
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unfortunately, this show with a bit of a downer because we
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didn't cover it last week, but we're going to cover it this
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week. Microsoft has decided that they
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are going to cut 650 positions. This was mostly in Blizzard.
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This was throughout their game division.
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And this, this was unexpected. I don't believe there was any
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warning for this. This is right after at the
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beginning of the year, they had cut 1900 jobs before that.
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And it's just I don't know when this cycle end it.
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The industry is as industry wide.
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We have just been seeing layoffs after layoffs, contraction after
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contraction. But it's not like these
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companies are not turning a profit because just yesterday
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Microsoft decided that they were going to do a $60 billion or
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sorry, that might be Nope, $60 billion stock buyback and
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increasing the dividends, their quarterly dividends by over 10%
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for all their shareholders. So the money is there, but
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apparently not for the people who make the operation work,
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that make the money factory, that make the money mill go.
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So one of the big teams that I that has been reported to be hit
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is the Warcraft Rumble team. Lex, you are the resident rumble
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player here. Every time I look in Battle.net
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it's either Delves or Rumble. Yeah, what do you think?
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I'm livid. I'm so mad.
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First of all, the rumble team was tiny already and it's been
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breaking every two minutes. Like I mean, because it's it's
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like things break. We when they update, we know
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this World Warcraft like things break.
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We had an entire round of dark moon fare, which like gave you
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this season's mini right? Like essentially the only way
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you can get it for free other than waiting for it to show up
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on the grid, which is going to take a while and means you won't
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get it at a high level when like half the world couldn't log in.
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And if their take away from that was that they needed fewer staff
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members, like, no, this is ridiculous.
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This is utterly crazy. Rumble has also been very
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successful, partially because it's been pushing out a ton of
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content constantly. Like they've been making so many
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things. They've been doing all sorts of
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like dungeons and raids and sieges and, and like, you know,
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dark moon fair and blink Tron and like cycling things through
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and scenario and fest, which I hated, but that's OK.
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Sometimes you hate things. Not everything's for everyone.
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But like, they've been just like pumping things out.
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And I am, I mean, I, I am really scared as a Rumble player and
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also as a World Warcraft player, because what I'm seeing now that
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Microsoft has taken over is that they are pushing out content
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extremely quickly and also cutting constantly.
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Right. Like you were saying, you know,
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there's money for buybacks, but not for people.
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Yeah, like, they they're doing fine.
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It it almost feels like they're just cutting people for the sake
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of reminding the staff that they're able to cut.
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I'm being a little doomery. I don't know what's going on.
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I'm sure it's complicated. Business decisions are
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complicated. I get it, but it it I mean,
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first of all, God tear Blizzard employees, right?
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Like the fact that we are still pushing incredible content with
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like a constant sword over people's head.
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The fact that we have one of the best expansions I've seen come
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out while people were facing layoffs and and seeing friends
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across the company leave. The fact that we're still
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apparently pushing like such a fast cycle the, the staff at
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Blizzard like God, if we joke about the like Blizzard employee
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who listens to this, but like, if you are a Blizzard employee
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listening to this, like I, like, thank you.
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I, I don't know what else to say.
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I'm so sorry. I, I'm so mad.
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Like I was one of the big supporters of Microsoft taking
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over Blizzard and I, you know, I, to be fair, I don't know how
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it's all going to shake out in the end.
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I don't know what's going to happen long term with how the
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the game develops and maybe tormenting the people who work
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for you and putting them in constant fears for the best.
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But I'm this was not what we were promised.
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This was not what they said like they what what is happening?
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Like how are they? This is this is ridiculous.
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This feels like they're just cutting for the sake of cutting.
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They're cutting because then they can put more work on people
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already crunching. And I'm really mad.
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And I'm also equally proud and blown away by the Stafford
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Blizzard. Yeah, that's my I.
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Unfortunately think, yeah, unfortunately think that the
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effects of the cuts are not something you see right away
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like the people who were let go in January.
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I, I think a lot of the things 'cause they're working three
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expansion simultaneously, a live team stuff working on midnight
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and the concept and so forth for, for the last height.
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And I think some of these effects we're not going to see
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until later down the line the pipeline for it.
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So like good on them for getting this stuff out that was already
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in motion. But like what what happens next?
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I don't know, Sean, what would you like to say about this?
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Fork capitalism, I guess. I don't know.
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Corporate greed is terrible. Firing people from their jobs so
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that you can line the pockets of people who are already so
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disgustingly wealthy that they won't even notice the addition
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of the money that you're paying them.
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Yeah, it sucks. It's every company should be
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owned by the employees there Should we should abolish get
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like there's no nobody should be able to own a company should be
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owned by the employees. You work there, you own it, it's
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yours. I hate it.
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It sucks if if there is a Blizzard employee who listens to
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this. Sorry you're going through this.
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I echo everything Lex said. I agree with her 100% and thank
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you for everything that you do. And if there's ever any way we
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can help, let us know. If we eat just one billionaire,
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just one, the rest will fall in line.
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All right, you're not to. Edit that out.
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I'm not. Sure, I'm not sure I'm going to
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edit that out, but we're going to move quickly along all the
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same. Let's go into like the game that
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we are enjoying and trying to enjoy and the game that the
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employees have put so much effort and love into.
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Let's talk about World of Warcraft, the actual game.
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So this week was the beginning of Mythic week.
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Season 1 of the War Within is in full gear.
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And the big part of that, of course, is the raid.
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So John, I know you are somebody who loves raiding.
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You are so into this right now. How about you take this this
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part? Yeah, it's great.
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We hit Mythic. So we had Heroic week last week
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Tuesday and for NA Wednesday for EU reset and we got Mythic week
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available to us. Everybody hit the ground running
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in the raid and we're we are full on in the race to world
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first right now with a three-way tie for first with three teams
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being at four of eight Mythic. That's Liquid Echo.
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Sorry, four teams being at four of eight, Mythic Liquid, Echo
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Method and Reversion as of time of this recording and a handful
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of teams are three of eight. Everybody's just going nuts.
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It started with a bang. So there's always like some
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surprise teams that sneak in and grab an early world 1st and this
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time around it was fan favorite and all around good team.
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I believe they're a Vistage approved team.
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Think I'm going to say that fairly confidently and they they
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they got world first. It was melee mechanics.
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They got world first old racks and then they went in and they
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snagged world first blood bound horror.
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It's like that meme of the guy picking up the hippo melee
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mechanics is picking up those world firsts like that adorable
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little hippo. So Congrats to them.
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Marzipan to drew fire the GM Raley for that team.
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They put a lot of work and effort and blood, sweat and
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tears are that team and the whole team has bought in and
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really excited to see them get those early wins.
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And then Liquid came on and they're like, we'll take the
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next two, thanks. And now we're just in a race to
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see who gets Brood Twister Oven Axe next.
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I think we had our best pull of 61% from Liquid recently, so
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it's exciting stuff. Echo went dark for a little bit
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today when they were pulling Brood Twister early, which isn't
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new to the race. World 1st, and we're not
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surprised that it happened. I'm excited.
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I love the rate I haven't. Happened so early, I guess this
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because this is the first wall wall boss that the teams have
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come across that they want to try and get some sort of
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significant lead or try tried something that they didn't want
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the other team to glean from. Yeah, this rate is a 10 out of
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10 certified freak. It's amazing.
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I love it. Absolutely.
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Yeah. OK.
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All right. So then that's, that's your,
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your take on on the race, is that also your take on how the
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the rate is for your own experience?
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Yeah, 10 out of 10. I love it.
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It's been, There's one boss that I'm lukewarm on, but it's I play
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Fury Warrior in the raid and I'm our team's backup tank.
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There's like 4 fights that it was like whoever made the fights
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also plays Fury Warrior because it's like, let's make it so that
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all of these things line up exactly with Fury Warriors C DS.
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And one of those things is the last boss, the last boss
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Anserek. Like there's literally every
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mechanic that requires AOE burst lines up exactly with Fury
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Warriors cooldowns. So we ran two of them OK but
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it's been a lot of fun. I've enjoyed it from a tank
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perspective. It's a bit of a snooze fest so
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far through heroic. We'll see how mythic feels, but
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I've been really enjoying it thematically and a lot of the
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bosses are fun. The anserec fight.
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If you have a chance to do the Anserec fight, either in story
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mode, LFR, normal, whatever difficulty you want to run it
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at, pay attention to the the spell mechanics.
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She does these web lines that it's typical dodge the lines,
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but they don't shoot out. It's a ball of a web that goes
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down. The lines move out from it while
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they're placing and then when they when the damage event
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happens, the webs are snapping into the ball.
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It is very cool to see. Don't stand in those, but it is
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very cool to see. Yeah.
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I really love it. Lex have you is Timbermont
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Tavern? Am I allowed to say what
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Gilduran. I just did.
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You've been docs is. Have you been enjoying the raid
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as well? Yeah.
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Yeah, we did not get past normal.
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We're Thursday night, so we're gonna be raiding tomorrow again.
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We are on the second to last boss, the council, which is fun.
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It's it's we're we're learning the little dance.
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We're having a good time. I really like it too.
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I think it is it. It's been very interesting for
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me to play it as melee for the first time and kind of see the
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mechanics differently and think about the mechanics differently.
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But I am I'm also really enjoying it.
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I think it's really fun. I think the theme, the themes
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are really cool and cute. It's very spider.
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We live a little spider and I am very excited.
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I'm really excited especially to see how it feels and heroic and
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and what it is a little bit more of a push.
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Yeah, no, like I I think it's been basically such a great
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raid, well tuned. I think maybe there's like, OK,
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maybe this will change when I when we get the heroic answer
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act. But there seems to be a little
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bit of a step down going from the penultimate boss, the the
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silken council and then going into Anserak.
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It like it felt easier doing Anserak then the silken council
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just cuz like on I mean, like I've I've tested that fight on
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all the difficulties. There's a lot of things going on
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and when they add in the additional things, it gets just
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like that much more chaotic. I'm wondering how Anserek can
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really step up on that. But like I will also say that
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like Anserek is just a beautiful kind of fight.
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Just just like, yes, the webs coming in the use of like the
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the poison bomb, the like to to do the mechanic, the platform,
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like I was worried about the platform, but they've done the
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platform apart pretty well and they've all like the entire raid
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is done with mechanics that I've like seen someplace before.
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So it's quite easy to like figure out like, oh, OK, what
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this is supposed to supposed to do.
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It's just being done in new creative way.
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So I like I love that they've done that.
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They've done that in that way. I think I'd love to have been a
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family on the wall for Rashock and those poison waves.
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And like, how are we going to articulate this?
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How are we going to set this up? Because some people will go in
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there and be like, yes, OK, I see this.
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And some people will be like, what in the world is this?
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But like, once you get it, once you once you get it, you like
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it's go time from there. But like how many iterations,
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how much sit, sit down and like how we going to do this?
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Like, hey, let's rework this. What's happening in Blizzard
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headquarters all those like months or maybe a year ago when
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they were trying to to like plan out this race?
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Because I think there's a reason that that boss is also a dungeon
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boss, so that people get get trained on that mechanic.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The raid feels like somebody on
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my team said this. It feels like a greatest hits of
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raid boss mechanics with a few new ones sprinkled in.
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And they're all great answer. I can tell you the answer at
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difficulty will definitely step up for you in a row.
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From you. Yeah, but as long as you're
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raging the plan. If you have a plan, if your raid
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leader is organized and pre plans, you're fine.
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If you're not, if you're a team that likes to learn on the fly,
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you're in for a long pro hug. Speaking of mechanics, by the
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way, I do want to step back and I do want to publicly yell at
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you 2 Peek behind the curtain a little bit.
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I asked you 2 how many new mechanics are there with the big
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fly guy? Because we're thinking of making
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him our our blind boss. And you were like, oh, there's
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so many new mechanics. It's going to be so interesting.
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Don't worry about it, you guys. There's like 10.
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No, I told you not to. No, you did not.
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We all know you're right. We did.
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Yeah. Sorry.
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When you get to him on Heroic. Oh, I never thought of normal.
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Fair enough. Yeah.
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Heroic ads feel much. Better I feel much because then
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we, yeah, it was a whole scramble.
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We feel like there's like nothing maybe.
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We just wanted to set you up for success.
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Me. Failure.
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Maybe you want me to suffer. Maybe you want to have a bad
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time. Maybe you want to embarrass me
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in front of all of my friends. Is that what you want to do,
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Sean? You want me to look bad in front
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of the Rain team? I.
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Know I didn't want that. Lex No, it's.
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Including, it's including Anserak because Lex, you
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haven't, you haven't done Anserak yet.
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What is your favorite fight in there, Lex?
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I'm so bad at these and you picked me first.
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It's really it's. Really, Lex, I'll come back to
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you. I'll let you think about it.
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I'll throw the question to you, Sean.
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So if we're taking Answer, I go to the equation because I got to
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tell you I'm I'm reserving judgement for mythic.
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Sometimes a bad mythic mechanic can ruin a boss.
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But as of right now, if mythic is more of the same as heroic,
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Answer might be my favorite end boss ever.
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So Answer is definitely my favorite boss so far all through
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heroic. And we haven't done any mythic
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yet, but we did get AOTC. So I've done all the bosses on
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heroic. And I would say answer, but if
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if we're not saying answer, if we're not going with her.
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Oh, that's tough. I'm a big fan of both Taiveza
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and Sykrin. Sykrin.
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I like both of those fights. Yeah, Sykrin, I like AI like a
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simple fight. It's get you know, you take your
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shadows, you shoot your shadows, you dodge your puddles, get out
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of the middle, you take your shadows, you shoot your peddles.
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Yeah, I love it. It's I like, and the tank
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mechanic in that 1 is really nice, the Tom mechanic.
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But yeah, that one and Kyvesa, those two.
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I think there's a subtle brilliance in simplicity.
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And Sychrin is one of those fights that's simple enough, but
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it's also fun because you have to watch.
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And we're really bad at making boxes, so it's a good time to
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see what shapes we make. OK.
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All right, Lex, we're going back to you.
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What? What have you thought of?
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So first of all, 22 disclaimers. First of all, I don't remember
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anyone's name. I don't, I don't, I don't know
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anything. It's going to be π vibes.
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We're going to describe them π vibes.
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Honestly, it took me a bit when he said Kai Vesa.
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I'm just like, oh right, Nexus Princess, right, right, right.
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Thank you. Now, now we're actually caught
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up because I was like, I was like, Sean, I'm happy you're
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happy. I don't really know what's
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happening. I don't remember.
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I don't. Remember.
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Her name Abigail. Abigail is my.
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Fault the varigai. What's his face?
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The big bug. Yeah, yeah.
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OK, I like worm slug. Exactly.
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OK, we're so back. We're so back.
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I am also probably gonna get kicked off my team for saying
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this and I'm not even sure that I believe it, but we're, you
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know, ask me again in a couple weeks and I've had a couple run
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throughs and I've like drilled things into my brain.
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I actually think it might be the duo.
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It's complicated and weird and I also know I'm gonna get yelled
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at if my raid team listens to this podcast and be like, wait.
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You're not even the one who has to do the.
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Mechanic cuz you're mailing but I think it's fun when you have
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to like coordinate the fun little things you gotta like
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stretch the little web and and then you gotta like and then
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there's so many things you gotta remember like you gotta put this
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over on this girl when this is happening cuz then it's gonna
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get again then it's gotta be dispelled then we gotta dispell
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it and everyone's got it open it and then we go back and we do
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damage over here and then we wait and then everyone has to
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like do this little dance we have to do damage too cuz it's
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not your numbers are gonna it's really bad and it's fun it's a
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fun little dance it's very exciting there's a lot of things
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happening I, there's a reason I chose Demon Hunter and it's
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because I like when there's many things going on at once and it's
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you know it's terrible and we're gonna have to hit it a few times
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I'm sure before we get through it but I it's gonna be fun we're
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gonna have a good time and we're gonna and the minute we figure
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it out like when everyone gets it and it's all in like 1
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beautiful sequence and we just see it and it's clean and and
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he's charging into the thing and then and then we're dropping all
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the little the. The bug, well, it's gonna be so
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great. It's going to feel so good.
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Yeah, no, I think it's always awesome to have a fight where
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you actually like have the progress and then when you get
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that win, that first win like that, that's when the nerd yells
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come up and everybody is just elated.
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So yes, 100%. I get it, Lex, I get that.
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OK, so moving from the the rating that is now in full
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swing, we're now going into dungeons because dungeons we're
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now in Mythic plus week. Keystones are available, we can
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go all over the world and get whatever loot.
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So before the show we were talking a little bit.
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We've got some different opinions going on here about
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stuff, but just as APSA, we're going to tell you how the new
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affix system works. People may have been boycotting
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or staying away or just took a vacation during season 4.
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So keys now start 2 plus to 10. It's not all the way to 20.
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The affixes are also completely changed even if you were around
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for season 4. So we're going to go through
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that quickly. When you start the seasonal
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affix, there's a there is a group of them called Xalatas
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Bargain. They all do different things.
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This week Dialtas bargain is ascended, which is that while
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you're in combat, Zaltas shows up, she rains down these orbs,
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they begin casting. If you disrupt those orbs, your
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team gets a buff. I believe it's a 2% stacking
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haze buff and movement speed. And then if they get the cast
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off, they give a much better puff to the enemies.
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So you got to got to disrupt them, but they can be disrupted
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by so many things you do like like literally a knock up and
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it'll completely cancel them. You do a stunt, it'll cancel
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them. There's so many ways everybody's
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got something. This affix goes from 2 all the
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way up until when you hit 12, so this will be what you're dealing
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with for most of at least this first week while you're going up
23:24
there. If you are one of those big
23:25
pushers, and for most, most people, it's what you're going
23:29
to be dealing with all season. At A4 plus, you are going to be
23:34
getting Tyrannical or Fortified. This week it's Tyrannical, which
23:39
means that the bosses are going to have more health at A7, plus
23:43
Challenger's Peril comes into play and Challenges.
23:47
Peril is a extra penalty, so instead of losing 5 seconds on
23:52
your timer when you die, you're going to lose 15 seconds, three
23:56
times the effect. Then when you reach A10, it's
24:01
going to be the opposite of what kicked in at the four.
24:04
So this week it's Tyrannic at four.
24:06
At 10 you get Fortified and both will be in effect for the rest
24:11
of the dungeons 10 and higher. As we said, at 12 you no longer
24:18
have to deal with the bargain pool of affixes, but what you
24:23
are going to get is Zalatef Guile, where Zalatef resends the
24:29
bargains and then increases the health of all enemies, bosses,
24:33
trash, whatever and their damage by 20%.
24:39
So that's how this is, this is going to be working and that
24:44
should be the same every week this season.
24:48
The Xalo test bargain will change from week to week.
24:52
So what that is is gonna change. I don't know the rotation of
24:57
that yet. We'll know in future weeks.
24:59
I have put in Mythicpl dot US, so Mythic plus I see what they
25:05
did there. So you can check the affixes at
25:08
the beginning of the week, and once the rotation is known,
25:11
you'll know what's coming up in the future weeks as well.
25:16
So this first week, I am happy to say that we're seeing some
25:22
pretty good class representation.
25:25
This was something that Blizzard had done a fairly good job in
25:29
Dragonflight Season 1. Again, these are literally just
25:34
the beginning. We're recording this on
25:36
Wednesday, this stuff came out on Tuesday.
25:38
This is people getting their initial foray.
25:40
So please big grain of salt when I talk about these numbers.
25:45
So these are numbers that are over all levels of keystones.
25:48
We're seeing a fairly good representation of all classes in
25:52
there, including druids, which is getting your classes are
25:57
getting a sizable buff for Boomkin coming up.
26:01
And I think Ferrell isn't in the best of place either.
26:04
So it's it's surprising that that like even though they're on
26:07
a lower end, they're still seeing some good representation
26:10
at least on overall keys for for healers.
26:15
Resto shaman is getting a sizeable representation, but we
26:19
are seeing all the the healers. Blood Decay is, is being shown
26:25
as the most popular tank, but we're seeing those protection
26:29
warriors in there too and all all those sorts of tanks as
26:33
well. As for DPS, the highest shown
26:37
DPS is mages with a combined 13.7% of of the showing there.
26:46
That's good representation as like the highest because that's
26:50
spread out. That shows that no class is
26:53
really that far behind. And when you look at the other
26:55
ones, you're seeing Paladin at 10%, you're seeing Hunter at
26:59
9.9%. They're basically neck and neck.
27:02
Shaman was the 4th 1. I did look it up.
27:04
It's 9.6, so we're seeing a lot of good representation for all
27:11
the classes we will see again, meta has has yet to really
27:16
develop or cement in people have yet to start switching classes
27:20
to whatever the meta is. So I suspect we're going to see
27:24
these numbers definitely shake up.
27:26
But it's good to see that there wasn't an heir apparent going
27:29
into this week at least. John, you, you love Mythic Plus
27:36
you have been pushing. What's your experience been like
27:38
this week? I've been playing as both Fury
27:42
and Pratt in keys and I love it. I've had a pretty easy go of it
27:50
so far. I'm at item level six O 6.
27:52
Most of my group is at about six O 6.
27:56
In most of the dungeons I do where it's my raid team, I'm not
27:58
like on LFG like only picking people I don't know was I run
28:02
with my rig team in the early season so we can get everybody
28:05
gear and get everybody good vaults.
28:08
But we've had some luck. We 2 chested a couple of +7
28:13
Necrotic wakes today. Yeah, we ran a + 7 Grimm Bataal
28:19
that went pretty good for the most Part 1 minor error caused
28:25
us to wipe. But yeah, it's been, I've been
28:26
having a good experience. I've not found them too
28:29
difficult, I have to say. I mean, I've been saying it for
28:33
over a month, two months brought warrior feels really, really
28:39
good. I don't know how that phrase
28:41
goes. I'm in my lane, moisturized,
28:44
thriving, or whatever it is, but that's me on prodding keys.
28:48
There's no better sound than that dull thunk of a blocked
28:51
attack. If you're struggling in keys,
28:54
run it with a prompt warrior. You will change your mind.
28:59
Or blood decay. I've seen a lot of love for the
29:02
blood decays. No, not with a prompt warrior.
29:08
Okay. They're really if you're running
29:10
mountain thing, you're a prompt warrior.
29:12
Your rage generation is so good that I'm literally like I'm I'm
29:16
revenging like 10% of the time. All of my rage can go into
29:21
ignore pain and deal block. I've got like almost a 95%
29:26
shield block up time throughout the whole dungeon.
29:28
My ignore pain is like a 95%. It's crazy.
29:32
And a lot of the bosses that give a hard time with big tank
29:35
Busters because I'm dumping so much rage through ignore pain.
29:38
I have shield wall up like every 40 seconds.
29:41
So anyway. OK, well, I'm glad that you're
29:44
enjoying it. I'm glad that you're pushing
29:46
that getting sevens. If you can get sevens across the
29:50
board this week, that's immediately Keystone Master.
29:52
Have you reached that point yet or you still got some keys to
29:55
fill? Actually, I've mostly been
29:58
running grand Bataals in in a chronic lakes, but that's gonna.
30:01
Help your IO. No, a couple of stonewalls, but
30:04
yeah, I will. I haven't gotten Keystone Master
30:06
yet, but I will have it by the weekend.
30:07
Really. OK, all right.
30:10
And then Lex, you have also been pushing through and I.
30:15
Well, pushing a little. Bit of pre show.
30:16
Color I did 1 + 2. OK.
30:21
All right, that's. And to be fair, listen, here's
30:23
the thing. Most of my Guild is parents.
30:27
I am. So they have to like deal with
30:29
bedtime and stuff before they can play.
30:31
I am a single childless woman who has dived into middle age
30:38
like 20 years too early. So I'm like 10:30.
30:42
I'm gone. Like I, there's no change if the
30:45
fact that my rain goes till midnight, it's like suffering.
30:48
It's I love them so much and I hope they know the fact that I
30:50
play with them is evidence that they are the absolute lights of
30:53
my life because I am in utter hell.
30:55
And frankly, 1030 is when I want to be in bed.
30:58
I want like ideally I want a good hour of reading before
31:00
that. That's not been happening
31:01
because stupid parents and they're stupid children are
31:03
like, no, I can't be until 9. I can't be until 9:00.
31:06
I'm I'm so proud of you all. You have beautiful families.
31:08
Thank you for sharing them with me.
31:10
So I have not had a lot of play time.
31:12
So a lot of what I have heard is kind of through the Grapevine.
31:15
So what I was told was that last night we did a zero to get keys,
31:19
then we did A2. The two was cake.
31:22
It was a faith roll, like it was frankly easier than the zero.
31:26
I am told that when I then went to bed, they tried a four and
31:31
they couldn't get through it. The the the item levels were a
31:35
little there. There was a mostly around the
31:37
six hundreds or above. Apparently there was 1578 who
31:41
was keeping up with damage, but that's a obviously a very
31:44
different item level than what you'd expect in a four.
31:47
So that might have been a part of the problem.
31:50
I know my Guild was feeling very unhappy with Method Plus at the
31:54
end of the night. I think that a lot of what?
31:59
So I should preface this with the statement, this is my first
32:03
time pushing at all right? Like usually I am a solid like
32:06
10 item levels behind my raid. I would be the 578 going through
32:09
the mythic plus like it is you know I am I am very far behind.
32:12
So I don't know how to compare this to other tiers.
32:15
I don't know if this is normal and I just have never done it
32:17
before or if this is a unique to this experience.
32:22
Personally, I feel that gear opportunities were too heavily
32:27
front loaded in the first couple weeks.
32:32
And what that means is that I hit six O 3 item level.
32:36
I'm pretty much fully geared out from delves.
32:40
I'm used to content that I can run just being like you, a walk
32:43
in the damn park, right? Like an 8 delve is barely like
32:47
it's it's not even on the same scale as a method plus, right?
32:51
And now I'm just facing this Cliff where all of a sudden I've
32:55
been getting like gear and gear and gear and gear and high level
32:57
gear like like beyond normal raid gear.
33:01
So it's not even just like the way that you gear with
33:03
levelling. Like I've just been handed gear
33:04
like candy. And now I'm kind of like, Oh my
33:08
God, like to get any upgrades, I'm going to have to be pushing
33:11
fives, which is going to be rough.
33:14
I'm going to get significantly less gear than I've ever gotten
33:16
before just because again, like I, it used to be like every,
33:19
which, you know, obviously that's the difference between
33:20
mythic 0 and mythic plus is the amount of gear you get.
33:25
And it just feels a little demoralizing as somebody who
33:28
hasn't done this before to just feel the like, especially
33:31
because it was so like, I, I, the fact that I'm, I'm beyond
33:35
geared for normal raid before we even touch normal raid was, you
33:39
know, also meant the normal rainfall kind of bad.
33:41
Like wait, wait, no. OK.
33:44
I I actually do want you to speak on that because like there
33:48
there is this thing about over gearing, there is about like
33:52
over over rewarding about that. But like you're stepping into a
33:59
normal raid with all of this gear that you've gotten from
34:02
your 8, your rank 8 level 8 delves and normal wasn't
34:07
providing you with like much Ave. to upgrade.
34:11
Like what was that to you? Yeah, so this it I mean it, it
34:18
made it feel I mean like obviously the the a lot of the
34:21
joy of raiding is you get to hang out with people, right, But
34:25
there is a joy to rating that is like you go through and you get
34:28
the fun drop and it's ha, this is so exciting.
34:32
So it did feel kind of boring, like not boring because I was
34:40
still having fun with my group and learning all these new
34:41
mechanics, but it did feel like one of the you know, and it it
34:44
was less fun to be fair, it was normal.
34:48
I I do like The thing is that usually I don't feel like my
34:52
Guild is usually that over geared for normal though.
34:56
Like it doesn't feel like it's it's we're running.
34:58
Maybe I'm wrong. I might be lying about that
35:00
actually, because we do usually, we do usually run through normal
35:02
within like two nights and then we push on.
35:05
So it might just be that like we usually, this is just the first
35:08
time I've done it. But like if you look at delves
35:13
with the 610 gear that you'll get at the end of it, or if you
35:16
get a for your other that you'll get out of the vault, you'll get
35:19
616 gear. But if you use one of those
35:22
maps, you get a 610 gear at the end of that as well.
35:26
So like that's heroic level gear that you were getting last week
35:30
and then in the vault. I think I'm already out geared
35:35
of heroic raid right, OK, no heroic drops drops six 10610.
35:42
I'm whining. That's not true.
35:43
I'm not out out here to heroic. So yeah, I I I think that delves
35:53
over were too easy and too much gear.
35:57
And I think that that like, and I I, I, I think that those
36:02
needed to have been like heavily tuned up.
36:08
I I and I, I know that people are getting mad about it because
36:10
The thing is that delves were a loot pinata and still are a loot
36:13
pinata. And I don't think that was good
36:16
for the game. I don't think that it's good to
36:18
just hand people like I because then again, part of the issue is
36:23
that like if everyone's used to getting 5 pieces of like six O 3
36:29
year within two hours, then and then you take that away from
36:34
them. Like that feels like a loss,
36:36
right? At least to me.
36:37
Maybe I'm just whiny and it would it would've been four.
36:40
I know there's only four bountiful dowels, but like like
36:43
that feels bad versus if the gearing process as a whole is
36:47
slow and incremental and you're constantly working and
36:50
constantly getting good upgrades.
36:52
That's a very different feeling. I also, and this might be very
36:58
controversial. I am increasingly unhappy with
37:03
the mythic plus squish, partially because I don't think
37:06
it exists, right. I think that they were gonna
37:09
squish to like, you know, a mythic 0 is at the level of a
37:12
M10 and A10 is level of level of a 20.
37:18
I don't think that's true. I don't think like my Guild was,
37:22
again, my guild's great. We, we were not doing M 10s
37:26
across the board within the first two weeks, right?
37:29
Like that. We, that was more of like beyond
37:32
the, the situation. And so it just kind of feels
37:36
like gear is like I, I, it doesn't feel like there's as
37:39
much diversity as I'd like there to be, right?
37:41
If I could do from A0 to a 20, there's a lot more opportunities
37:45
in between for gearing. And so like I think if they were
37:50
gonna do the squish, they had to own it, but I feel like they
37:52
didn't own it. I feel like they like
37:54
immediately folded on it and just went back to the normal
37:57
situation. But now we have 10 fewer mythic
37:58
plus. I don't know why I'm being I
38:00
feel like Sean and Manny have something to say and I don't
38:02
know it's cuz I said. Things too.
38:03
I am just, I just like, I'm sitting here quiet, but I'm also
38:07
just eating up Sean's just expressions and like.
38:12
I kind of I. Kind of understand what's going
38:15
through it. So we are going to immediately
38:20
curve this, this conversation. We're going to talk about
38:23
delves, guys. We are totally going to talk
38:25
about Delves. But we have really dived into a
38:27
conversation where we're talking about like gearing and the
38:32
mindset of gearing this. Is I have questions you have to
38:35
let me ask my. Questions.
38:36
You have to go ahead, John. OK, well, Alex, I have some
38:39
questions. First off, I don't I think I
38:44
think M zeros are as hard as 10s were.
38:46
And I think your brain doesn't see that number 10.
38:49
So you think it's easier and and your gear level matches what you
38:55
would have had when you were doing those 10s because you got
38:57
that gear from delves. So you're at the same point as
39:02
you would have been gear wise. And you see it's oh, this is 0.
39:04
This is easy. I can do zeros.
39:06
So your brain shifts. You're always able to do those
39:08
10s, but your brain shifts and you're like, Oh, no, this is
39:11
actually going to be easier. My question is this, as the
39:16
person who used to be the lowest geared person in your raid and
39:20
now being one of the highest geared people in your raid, have
39:23
you started to resent the lower geared people on your team for
39:29
not putting in the same effort you have?
39:31
No because I have been sweating. If anything, I that, well, I
39:39
feel like, OK, I feel like maybe that this will change over time.
39:44
The other thing is that like I, I don't, if I'm not getting the
39:47
little dopamine rushes, I don't know if I'm going to be able to
39:50
keep up the sweat. It was it was fun to be getting
39:53
like part of the thing was that every I was getting like every
39:55
single night. I was getting a ton of gear.
39:56
That was really exciting. And if now I'm only getting like
39:58
one or two AD levels per gear, not per night, it's going to be
40:02
a little worse, I guess. But I also, again, I never was
40:04
sweating before, so who knows? I do.
40:11
I think so. Part of the issue #1 frankly, if
40:14
anything, I'm really grateful that my team isn't getting more
40:16
gear as quickly because I'm really bad, is what I learned.
40:20
I thought I understood Demon Hunter, and then I went into my
40:24
first raid night and it was terrible.
40:27
I had the third highest item level of a DPS and I was
40:30
fighting for 7th on the DPS chart.
40:32
It was really embarrassing. So so we have been training our
40:38
rotation. We got our little sticky notes
40:39
out. We had a little thing on the
40:41
floor. We're working really hard.
40:43
So I really appreciate that they under geared because it meant
40:46
that I was holding on because if we're all at the same gear
40:48
level, I would have been like below the tanks.
40:50
Oh, so I'm sorry, Manny, you had a question.
40:54
No, I mean like OK, my my question would be like, do you
41:00
have, were you switching between specs for like AOE and single
41:03
target? No, I don't know Manny.
41:06
I didn't know my rotation. I.
41:09
Dare the whole we're gonna talk about.
41:11
I'm gonna introduce you to Lorgs after this and there's gonna be
41:14
a whole new level of sweat you're gonna have I'm.
41:16
Not. Excited.
41:17
You won't even need those item levels.
41:19
You'll just be like boom. I mean like it happens Lex.
41:23
I was rating last night rating last night.
41:29
I'm I'm there. We're going through we're
41:31
clearing through normal before we start on heroic.
41:36
What's doing great topic topping the media's at some points
41:40
fighting fighting there we get through a boss and another
41:44
shaman on my team wins the the tearpiece and activates the
41:50
tearpiece. Not just two pieces, four piece
41:52
and suddenly boom, I'm left in the dust, absolutely left in the
41:56
dust. So it can be that like there's
41:58
particular gear that does that because like to hear mean
42:01
something. It can be like I was looking at
42:03
I'm like a couple of times where I was like, Oh, shoot, we didn't
42:06
do that. Oh, wait, I'm in single target.
42:09
This is better and it's an AOE, that sort of thing.
42:12
Like you can. There are times where you might
42:15
be doing really well considering what your build is, but you
42:19
should switch builds to to do that.
42:21
So it might not be that like oh I don't know my rotation.
42:24
It's like you might be just using the wrong build and
42:27
therefore the wrong build. That's quite possible.
42:28
I-beam was literally broken. Oh, was it really?
42:32
Yeah, it was doing less damage. Scaling above 1 target, any
42:36
targets above 1 and it wasn't scaling, it was capping at one.
42:40
Any of those fights that you were in where you had like the
42:43
ad spawns and you were down below, it's because your ability
42:47
was literally not functioning. Potentially true, however, I do
42:53
need you all to understand like I really appreciate the sport.
42:55
I appreciate the love it is because I did like I I had like
42:58
vaguely read my rotation and I had I thought I understood it
43:01
and I gently I thought the hunt gave me damage on whatever I
43:04
cast next right, like I thought that was one of the spells I had
43:06
to stack with powerful spells. I didn't realize that like
43:09
immolation aura benefits spell rush to the degree that it does,
43:13
and I need to be saving Emily. I was casting immolation aura on
43:16
cooldown and I wasn't using fell rush after it because I didn't
43:18
like, I think that was that big. I thought that it's like gave
43:20
you an extra charge. Like I, I, I didn't know my
43:22
rotation. Like the the issue was just that
43:24
I didn't understand how and, and Demon Hunter isn't a proc class,
43:29
it's a choreographed class. So like, if you don't
43:32
understand, you cast this spell and then you cast this and then
43:35
you do this and then you do this and then you do this in that
43:37
order and that's going to get you the best damage every single
43:39
time. You're just going to tank right?
43:42
Like you're just gonna poo and you're like my my parses per
43:46
item level were like a nine. It was.
43:48
But now I know my rotation. I have AI have a whole wall of
43:51
sticky notes over here that have all sorts like my little cycles
43:54
and things that I used to remember and I it's it's gonna
43:57
be rough for, you know, I'm giving myself grace.
43:59
I'm forgiving myself because I understand.
44:03
Like it isn't in my fingers yet. It isn't fully trained.
44:07
So next Thursday, tomorrow, it's gonna be better.
44:10
It's probably still gonna be tough.
44:12
I'm not gonna be top of the charts, and that's okay.
44:14
We're gonna keep working, We're gonna keep training.
44:16
I did this when I was learning healer.
44:18
I was very bad for a while, and then I got good and then I
44:21
stopped working and I plateaued. But that's okay.
44:23
We don't worry about that. We just won't stop working.
44:26
We won't plateau. It'll be fine.
44:28
So. I'm not sure how much grace you
44:30
need to give yourself. It's literally week two maybe
44:35
Maybe like. Don't come down.
44:36
So hard. No, I have two things to say.
44:40
One, Lex, it's good that you're not resenting the lower item
44:42
level people on your team. That means you're a team player
44:45
and you're there for the team. So I'm glad that that was the
44:46
answer you gave 2 Manny. I like sweaty Lex I.
44:50
I I. Yeah, 2 Damn it.
44:53
Why don't you know you don't? Need to like you need to be so
44:56
hard on yourself right now. No.
44:58
Figure that rotation out. Figure out.
45:00
Rotation. Definitely figure out that
45:01
rotation. Don't break yourself.
45:04
Don't. About it.
45:05
Yeah, we're gonna need a picture of that sticky wall of notes.
45:08
I thought she tweeted tweeted tweeted.
45:11
That was on the. So I started.
45:12
I started. Out on the floor, because then I
45:14
could organize them, but then I moved the important because part
45:18
of them were things like I anyway, I it was it was like
45:24
just like little notes of like remember what this spell is
45:27
like. Do I like?
45:28
For example, I have a little sticky note that says, do I need
45:31
to keep? I still have it.
45:32
I should have thrown this way. Do should I be keeping the green
45:35
Dottie stun spell on cooldown in parentheses?
45:38
Chaos Nova because I remember what it looked like and it
45:40
wasn't in my rotation. I remember what it was called
45:42
and then I remembered so I wrote it down.
45:45
And you don't, by the way, you don't need to keep that on
45:47
cooldown. That is the only stun if you
45:49
need it, which is great in mythic plus, but you don't.
45:51
That's not a cooldown, interestingly.
45:53
It's really. Good for this week's ethics.
45:55
Oh, it's because it can. Hey, we get all those orbs.
45:59
Yeah, next season Lex is going to be like the one we go to for
46:04
the the high end content. It's already.
46:07
Happening I'm just resigned to be the casual on the the show,
46:10
but that's fine. That is fine.
46:13
I will tell you guys all about how I got my transmog set up and
46:17
how much money I made my my pet collections and all Well, not
46:25
pet collections, mount collections, whatever.
46:26
Collecting pets. I'll, I'll, I'll be the all
46:29
rounder because I've got a lot of stuff.
46:31
And then and then Lex can talk about her first week mythic
46:35
kills. God, no.
46:39
I mean, it's my fun, cute little easy thing.
46:42
I mean, like, it's not it's hard.
46:43
It's challenging. We work really hard.
46:44
I have I I've tried mythic reading.
46:47
It was like genuinely so rough. We like the officer team had to
46:53
like sit down and be like, we don't have to keep doing this
46:57
right. We can stop doing this right?
47:01
And now we. Did OK.
47:03
Now we do here to see and then we do achievement runs and we
47:05
have a good time. I want to do the achievement
47:09
runs too anyway. I love achievement runs and they
47:11
get you all mounts. It's as long as you don't do it
47:14
in the middle of the raid. Lexus freaking lead.
47:18
Middle of the raid. No, no announcement activating
47:21
your achievements. Like what is this frog doing
47:24
here anyway? Sometimes you got to moving on.
47:27
Don't don't I have a new. No need, no need.
47:32
He's my other brother. You don't need to do that.
47:36
Moving on though, we have a new patron to thank.
47:39
So, Sean, can I get you to do this?
47:42
Yeah, Manny, Lex, I want to tell you guys a story.
47:46
Back in the thick of Battle for Azeroth, I, Forsaken Warlock,
47:50
watched as Casey, an Alliance warrior, charged head long
47:54
headlong into our ranks, their blade gleaming with fierce
47:56
determination. Despite the chaos of war, their
47:59
movements were precise. Cleaving through our lines are
48:01
the strength that rivaled any Horde champion.
48:04
As I unleashed a torrent to fell fire from the shadows, I
48:06
couldn't help but respect Casey's unyielding resolve,
48:09
knowing that in another life we might have fought side by side
48:13
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48:45
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48:49
pretty solid guess. We we had a good idea.
48:51
On that, we nailed that one. Yeah, OK.
48:55
Well, thank you guys for all your support.
48:58
Again, we do this just because we love talking about this game.
49:03
I. Love talking.
49:06
I mean I've got 2 podcasts now so I clearly love talking.
49:11
But yes, we do always appreciate the support.
49:15
Now let's go into the big talk of the week, Delves, because
49:20
Delves are the new end game. Clearly they have changed the
49:25
game for Lex and they've been changing the game for a lot of
49:27
people. Joss, who you might remember as
49:31
one of our former Co host and friend of the show, has been
49:35
diving into Delves as well and enjoying that with her with her
49:39
new routine. I did a lot of Delves last week.
49:42
Sean. Of course, you were tearing
49:44
through it and now we're in Week 2, but there's been so much of
49:50
an evolution. So to talk a little bit about
49:52
the evolution, I'm once again going to throw it back to you,
49:55
Sean. Just tell us what in the world
49:57
has been happening with Delves over the last little bit.
50:01
Delves have been a roller coaster of emotions for
50:04
everybody across the board. They started out easier in
50:07
groups than they were solo. Then they said, hey, that's not
50:10
right, we don't want that. So they buffed them so they were
50:11
hard in groups and Han Solo, nobody wanted that either.
50:15
Manny, that wasn't it. So then they made some more
50:18
adjustments. They made some easier thumb
50:20
harder. They made they added mobs in the
50:24
plus 8 Salima and then those were wrecking everybody.
50:26
So then they took those out. It has been crazy.
50:30
The the, the, the major credit the Blizzard, which we saw with
50:35
Mop Remix and we've seen it so much in the last six months.
50:38
They are listening and they are quick to make those changes.
50:41
They have their hand on the dial and they are ready to adjust and
50:45
they are tuning us in. And the end result, with the
50:48
last changes that happened, I think yesterday, Delves are now
50:53
in a spot where Lex thinks they're too easy.
50:58
The rest of the world thinks they're just right.
51:00
I. Was I was going to say, Sean,
51:03
you did tell one lion that because you said that nobody
51:06
liked it when they were harder in groups and harder solo.
51:09
Let me tell you, it's true. It was like one day that I was
51:12
happy with the tales. It was that day when it was hard
51:18
forever. I am actually going to jump in
51:20
and join Lex with this. Like when they were a bit
51:23
harder, like they brought this to a point where the difficulty
51:30
is roughly where it is now before they did the micro
51:33
adjustments for like the elite kind of characters and some odd
51:39
casters. Like there's some casters that
51:41
would just like spam casting to the ends of the earth.
51:46
I think that I am closer to where Lex is standing where I
51:50
felt that like they we're at a point where, yeah, you had to
51:55
work to get that 8IN. You needed to be closer to or
52:00
above 600. You needed to.
52:02
And even then, for many players that weren't tanks, you needed
52:07
to make sure that you weren't pulling more than like 2-3
52:11
casters that you could keep locked down with CC and stuff
52:14
because like too much of that, too much of those like auto
52:18
attacks plus cast that you can interrupt and that's it.
52:21
You would just lose lives. I do think that some of the
52:25
elites were just game ending by themselves and they did need to
52:32
be taken down. But I do think right now we may
52:36
have shifted it a little bit too much.
52:40
Is is that kind of where you're at Lex?
52:43
Yeah, I I I will say I joke about like there was one day
52:46
that I was happy they were heavily overturned like to like
52:53
or or more so like there were they were not consistent a delve
53:00
to delve right certain delves I could do pretty like I did.
53:02
I did 18. I think there's actually one on
53:05
the last episode I said I did 18 and it was great and super clean
53:09
and beautiful. And then I went in another one.
53:11
I got bang into the ground. And that's not like I wanna have
53:15
a general sense of what I can do, right?
53:18
Like, it should all be kind of consistent.
53:21
It also is like, certain packs were really easy.
53:23
And then, yeah, like, you know, there were certain packs that
53:25
were harder than elites. And I think there kind of still
53:27
are. I still think the tuning is a
53:28
little bit inconsistent in some of them, but it's mostly just
53:31
kind of like lowered across the board.
53:34
So, yeah, there's still packs that are harder than elites, but
53:37
that's partially just because the elites are pretty easy.
53:40
I do think, yeah, you should not be getting one shot from bosses.
53:46
Like, like, you know, like it was too.
53:47
It was just like frustratingly hard, right?
53:50
But not in a like. OK, here's the thing.
53:56
Like you're 3 podcasts away from telling us to get good.
54:01
It be so often you just say something.
54:03
I'm just like what? A spicy thing I love.
54:08
It. Delves are supposed to be at
54:11
about like based on like what they're dropping.
54:14
A delve should realistically be about the same challenge level
54:18
as a Keystone 5A delve is easier than an M0 right now.
54:22
Like like that's not I'm sorry, an 8 delve.
54:24
It should be about A5. It's it's it's not congruent.
54:29
It's and what that means is it's just become like a loot pinata,
54:32
which I've already complained about how that makes me feel in
54:34
mythic plus, but it like, OK, I'm going to I'm starting and
54:39
stopping myself a lot because I'm I'm flustered.
54:41
I got big feelings. I also do feel a little bit, and
54:49
maybe this is whiny and maybe this is problematic and maybe
54:53
this is it's everything's about me because it is.
54:55
I'm a Leo, I'm a double Leo. It feels like they came to us
55:03
and they were like, we're going to make like we know that a lot
55:06
of you guys want solo content. You want things you can do
55:09
alone. You want open world content to
55:11
be a little bit more, you know, feel like we want end game open
55:15
world content. So we're going to give you open
55:18
world content and we're going to make it actually challenging.
55:20
It's not going to feel like open world, like it's, you know, it's
55:22
going to be the same vibe as open world content.
55:24
You can do it alone. It's about exploration, it's
55:25
about fun, but it's going to have a challenge that makes it
55:29
feel like an end game sort of situation.
55:33
And then it came time to execute it and it feels like they were
55:38
like, oh, but it is open world content.
55:41
Like it has to be easy, right? Like it's open world content,
55:44
right? Like, we've got to give it to
55:45
them, right? And I think that's part of my
55:50
problem with Delves is it almost feels like it's sort of this
55:54
return to the idea that solo players can't handle tough
55:58
challenges. Open world content has to be a
56:01
Gimme. And, and the other thing is that
56:05
we're basically done with them. We, we, we're on week 3 and we,
56:10
everyone has reached essentially the pinnacle, right?
56:12
Like there's a couple more levels you could do for
56:14
challenge only, but we've the people, I mean, people who are
56:17
playing trying to get into like rating and, and trying to do
56:20
other end game content are thinking of this as like end
56:22
game content by and large are through their eights and on week
56:26
3. Like it's it, it's still useful
56:28
because it's still gearing, but it's dead content.
56:31
It's finished. Go ahead, Sean.
56:36
Elves aren't for you. They're not.
56:39
They're not for Raiders and people that are running
56:42
dungeons. There's solo content for solo
56:45
players who don't have the support of a raid team and a
56:48
mythic plus team, and they're easier for you because you have
56:51
that support structure and players who don't have that
56:55
aren't finished with. Well, but.
56:58
That's partially because they tuned them badly, right Like
57:01
that. That's because they they made, I
57:02
mean, no, they did. I'm I am still mad about the
57:05
fact. OK, I'm on your side Lex.
57:09
That the way the delves came out like 4 when they released 4
57:17
above right? They were under tuned.
57:20
They were incredibly easy for people in groups.
57:25
They moved the difficulty of the groups to match more the solo
57:32
content and people complained because the people who were
57:36
doing it for the loot obviously ran through those as fast as
57:42
possible, filled up their vault. And the reason that they were
57:45
going back in after they made the changes was to make sure
57:48
that they got the loot at the end of the the delve, because
57:52
that was still the best loot at the end of the delve.
57:54
So yeah, I walked in after the hot fixes and it was like, oh,
57:58
this hurts. This is, this is a little much
58:00
for me solo, right? And I looked at it and said,
58:06
there's no way this stays because I, I'm in the curve of
58:14
players that I think that this is not, that this was like not
58:21
meant to be something that was going to like overly challenge
58:25
me. And there were some scenarios
58:26
where I'm like, I don't see how somebody without these
58:29
particular, these particular assets, level of CC and such can
58:35
get through this. And that's the problem with
58:37
Dells. They are meant to be, hey, let's
58:41
have no tank in there, let's have no healer in there, let's
58:45
have 5 tanks or five healers. And then how do you tune the
58:48
damage intake? How do you tune the like amount
58:52
of CC and stuff that be can be in there?
58:55
Because like if I run in there with like 2 of my friends like I
58:57
did the other day or I run in there solo like I did yesterday,
59:01
the creatures in there, there's not larger packs, right?
59:05
There's not like more stuff that I need to use my CC.
59:08
So I go in it with a group and we all have our CC going.
59:11
We're going to walk through that.
59:12
Even today with solo and multi multi members in a party being
59:19
there, you just have more tools. So it like, I just don't think
59:23
that the tuning is ever going to be precisely there.
59:26
And there's always going to be something that makes it harder
59:28
because they said it. They said it when they made the
59:30
tuning. Hey, yeah, it sucks if you've
59:32
got four or five players, but going with two and three and
59:35
it's easier or it like there might be tuning later on that
59:39
they do it where it's like, oh, this elite is hard, but like if
59:42
you've got four or more players, you can interrupt all his
59:45
dangerous things without an an issue.
59:48
So now they're having to go in and do some fine tuning that I
59:50
wish they had had more time to do in the beta.
59:54
And I think that my unfortunate thought behind this.
1:00:00
Is that they were rushing towards a release date and this
1:00:04
is something that needed just a little more time in the oven for
1:00:08
them to get to get exactly what they needed at the end of this
1:00:15
week. With the the now that they're
1:00:17
intellectual fine tuning, I think Dells are in a fairly
1:00:20
decent place. Yeah, they might be a little bit
1:00:22
easier than I would like for my purposes, but as Sean keeps
1:00:25
saying, it's not for me. It's sort of for it's for other
1:00:31
people who are enjoying the solo content.
1:00:36
And I'm sorry, I went through follower dungeons and there's
1:00:40
another thing not for me. I've gone and done a couple of
1:00:47
things and it's like, OK, like this isn't meant to be quote UN
1:00:51
quote mage tower until you do the the Zechvall fight, which
1:00:59
they specifically said here's a 13th L that is that is not part
1:01:03
of the regular thing that is meant to beat your face in.
1:01:07
And when I saw people going in like the first day that was
1:01:13
unlocked and like beating it in not that many attempts, it was
1:01:17
clear that they missed the tuning mark if that was meant
1:01:20
what they meant to be their mage tower like event.
1:01:27
I I. Did.
1:01:29
I'm sorry. Actually good.
1:01:30
I I was gonna say no, I. Don't have anything, I'm just
1:01:32
stretching my fingers. I thought you'd just rack it up
1:01:35
for like a big speech here. No, my my fingers are tight, so
1:01:39
I'm stretching right. I see I.
1:01:40
See. OK, so while Shawn stretches the
1:01:42
fingers, let's go ahead. So I will point out I do like I
1:01:48
OK, I went through delves in groups when it was the point
1:01:52
where it was like, if you go through the solo immediate
1:01:55
death, there's no chance you were screwed.
1:01:57
If you go through with a group that it the, the the cakeiest
1:02:02
cake you ever eaten in your life.
1:02:05
I since it is tuned more like accurately, I've only done solo
1:02:10
delves. I do prefer delve solo.
1:02:11
I think they're I'm a Demon Hunter.
1:02:12
So to be fair that I do have a lot of abilities that makes that
1:02:15
a little bit easier for me to manage, including just the fact
1:02:18
that I can like skip you around corners really easily because I
1:02:20
can zoom. So fair enough.
1:02:24
I, I, I had a second point and it's, it's gone.
1:02:29
Oh, yeah, I do have also, I do want to say I am sympathetic to
1:02:37
the people who are mad about when the tuning hit because it
1:02:43
did really make it like one of the reasons that I'm I was able
1:02:49
to gear up really highly and really quickly is because I can
1:02:52
play during the week. And it does like even as
1:02:58
somebody who benefited from that, it does feel bad that they
1:03:01
tuned it in the middle of, I think they tuned it on like a
1:03:05
Friday, a Thursday or a Friday. A.
1:03:08
Big hit happened on a Tuesday. It sure didn't, because Tuesday
1:03:11
is the day that it drops. No, sorry.
1:03:15
It's Tuesday 9th like like there was like, hey, did you do your
1:03:19
delves during the day? And then Tuesday night, like
1:03:24
something along the lines of 10 something they they made the hot
1:03:28
fix that changes. So it was like I was like in the
1:03:30
middle of raid and it was like, oh, hot fixes.
1:03:33
I'm going to try this after raid.
1:03:35
Ho, this is a different game. I do so the first drop of of of
1:03:41
tuning definitely happened before the before last weekend,
1:03:45
right? The one that made it so that the
1:03:46
group was no longer a a huge benefit.
1:03:49
There's been a ton of hot fixes. Am I tripping?
1:03:53
No, I know I'm not. I'm smart.
1:03:54
I'm going to stand to my own knowledge.
1:03:55
I'm going to stand my own ability.
1:03:57
It definitely I I know there because I know my Guild was
1:03:59
talking about how it sucked that this got like it it it went from
1:04:04
loot pinata. Everyone who wants loot gets 4
1:04:06
pieces a day. It's going to be super easy.
1:04:08
Everyone's going to gear up to challenging or like, I mean, you
1:04:12
know, I still think it's too easy, but like significantly
1:04:14
more challenging and this is no longer just going to be handing
1:04:17
you loot like it's candy right before the weekend.
1:04:22
I know that felt bad to the people who played primarily on
1:04:24
the weekend. And like, I get it.
1:04:25
Like it was it was so broken with groups that it was
1:04:32
essentially an exploit, right? Like it was way under tuned.
1:04:37
People were doing apes with 570 something item level.
1:04:40
Like that's crazy. That's simply too low.
1:04:43
Like full groups in the 70s. So I do think it needed to be
1:04:49
tuned, but I do also understand why I feel really bad if you
1:04:51
couldn't access until the weekend and all of a sudden all
1:04:54
of your friends are in, you know, full 6 hundreds and you're
1:04:57
just getting started. But all of a sudden it's harder
1:04:59
for you to get geared. I don't know if there's actually
1:05:01
a better solution, but that's my take.
1:05:04
The second thing I'm going to bounce off of this might be my
1:05:06
third thing. I I'm really refusing to shut
1:05:07
up. I'm so sorry.
1:05:08
I'm a sweat now I talk over people.
1:05:10
What can I say? I do also kind of feel I think
1:05:16
that this is the first time that it's starting to feel like maybe
1:05:20
this expansion was a little bit rushed.
1:05:23
I think the story was beautiful and stunning and and like the
1:05:28
opening was also like the way that they there were not a ton
1:05:30
of like big in your face bugs. The tuning was a mess and there
1:05:37
are not only still a lot of weird little bugs, but bugs that
1:05:40
have not been fixed since opening.
1:05:42
Like we joke about the like Ambassadors 1.
1:05:44
I don't know if this is going on in other people's Guild, but
1:05:46
like sometimes it'll just like log everyone back in and be like
1:05:49
oh diplomat ambassador, you get a bunch of killed.
1:05:51
The one that is annoying me significantly more now is that
1:05:54
something's broken with auto loot.
1:05:56
And like, it's not the end of the world, but it's really
1:05:58
annoying. We're like a rant, like out of
1:06:00
nowhere. There's no rhyme or reason to
1:06:02
why it happens. It just won't auto loot for me,
1:06:05
which was annoying when I didn't realize this was a risk because
1:06:08
I would just like, you know, click on something, wait a
1:06:10
second, fly off. And I'm like, wait, hold up.
1:06:13
Something didn't work there. It was especially annoying with
1:06:15
like herbs and stuff because then you have to like, go redo
1:06:18
the herb. It was a pain.
1:06:21
None of these are game breaking bugs but the fact that they're
1:06:23
just sitting there is concerning.
1:06:27
I also don't think I know Necrotic for a while wasn't
1:06:30
dropping valor. I swear to God I didn't get any
1:06:32
valor on Tierna which was my +2 and and none of these are are
1:06:37
the end of the world but they are like there's just a lot of
1:06:41
little issues and I would like to petition our the Blizzard
1:06:45
employee who watches the show. FAZZ Blizzard.
1:06:48
Yeah, exactly. FAZZ Blizzard, it's OK if we're
1:06:52
not doing 8 week cycles. Like I would so much rather that
1:06:56
somebody comes out and they're like, hey guys, the time frame
1:06:59
is not realistic. Like it was crazy.
1:07:01
That's just too much pushing. We're changing the calendar.
1:07:04
We're so sorry. We know people are going to be
1:07:05
disappointed. Like people are going to yell,
1:07:07
people are going to yell about anything.
1:07:09
I, I would, I would frankly feel really heartened if I heard that
1:07:14
from Blizzard right now. Like this was a little too fast.
1:07:16
We want to make sure we have time to test things.
1:07:17
We want to make sure we have time to like, tune things before
1:07:19
they come out because yeah, I, I really appreciate the Blizzard
1:07:23
listening really closely. I really appreciate that they're
1:07:25
making changes as they need it. When the game is changing this
1:07:29
quickly, it does feel a little bananas.
1:07:34
It's hard for me to feel like I've got my feet under me.
1:07:37
And I would so much rather that we're catching these ahead of
1:07:41
time, like, and, and again, to my beloved Blizzard employees,
1:07:44
thank you all so much for what you do.
1:07:45
You do incredible things. I'm so proud of you.
1:07:47
You're working under really stressful situations.
1:07:48
You're listening. I love that.
1:07:49
I love you're listening. It's incredible.
1:07:51
I want the game to be stable. Like it's going to be so much
1:07:54
more fun when stable. It's OK to need more time.
1:07:57
It's OK to need to bug test. Like that's fine.
1:07:59
Take the time, be slower. People will yell.
1:08:02
People will yell anyway. I'm sorry they yell at you.
1:08:04
You don't deserve that. We love you.
1:08:06
You're the Angel of my life. You make the game that sparks so
1:08:08
much joy and fills me with a life that I didn't realize I
1:08:11
could have this much fun zooming around on a fun little demon
1:08:13
girl. It's OK if it's slower in my
1:08:16
opinion and I speak for the world because I'm W so.
1:08:21
OK. I can't believe you think that
1:08:23
the person they assigned to listen to this podcast has the
1:08:26
ability to determine the dense cycle.
1:08:27
There's a lot of pools and poor fat stuff.
1:08:31
I'm sure of it. It's hot.
1:08:33
Yeah. Joe Berg listening to For
1:08:35
Azeroth. Love what you do.
1:08:37
We could definitely use 10 weeks maybe.
1:08:41
Yeah, Lex, that was I I get it. It's frustrating that we do make
1:08:45
fun of that bug as well. There's another bug that is more
1:08:48
of a problem for me and my GM, and it's that when you do
1:08:52
crafting orders, you can't pull the mats from your War Band
1:08:55
bank. Oh, my God.
1:08:56
So, and they've identified that it's a bug that they're working
1:09:00
on, but every time I go to do a crafting order, I have to go to
1:09:02
my bank, take all of the mats out, go back to the table, do
1:09:05
the crafting order, go back to the bank, put all the mats back
1:09:08
in. Because all of my characters are
1:09:09
enchanter, so they all use the same mats.
1:09:11
Put all the mats back in, log on to the next carrier to go get
1:09:14
all, take all my mats out, go to the table, do the crap.
1:09:16
Anyway, Lex, I you want to do some dungeons.
1:09:23
Yeah. That's what I took from that.
1:09:28
Lex is a baller now and we're going to do some dungeons.
1:09:31
I hope he was still group with me.
1:09:32
If my score is high, I'll. Consider it for you Sean.
1:09:37
I'll make an Excel. I'm not sure if you guys read
1:09:40
the notes, but the title is now Lex Rising.
1:09:43
It's just what this show is. But yeah, I think that there's a
1:09:48
lot that I love that they're responding quickly, that they're
1:09:52
making these changes. I, I wish that it that it took a
1:09:55
little more time in the oven because it's always better when
1:09:58
they can address it before it goes live.
1:10:00
Of course, this isn't the first thing that I've seen that I've
1:10:05
sort of been like, like the fact that some classes are some like
1:10:09
hero specs are getting some major reworks.
1:10:13
To me is a is a big sign that they're like, yeah, this isn't
1:10:17
landing the way we want it to and we can't just adjust numbers
1:10:20
to make this work. But I'm sure they're working
1:10:26
towards things. I just, to me, it feels like
1:10:29
decisions are being made at a level above what the developers
1:10:34
would want because I know that like devs don't say let's ship a
1:10:39
half baked game, let's ship it. It's not ready.
1:10:44
So maybe if the person who is listening to Faz has that power,
1:10:49
hi Phil Spencer. I don't know.
1:10:53
Oh, if it's Phil Spencer, we got some words.
1:10:56
I won't say that because I'm not going to say Jenny's life
1:10:59
harder. None of them are appropriate.
1:11:02
We want the listener because like that's problems with one of
1:11:05
our listeners. But yeah, if you guys want to
1:11:09
join in any of these conversations, we're always
1:11:12
talking about this sort of stuff, including some very
1:11:16
strange lore, tinfoil hat theories that I have.
1:11:23
But that's all happening in the fast Discord.
1:11:25
That's bit dot LY slash fast Discord, just like Sean had said
1:11:29
before, but we're gonna call it a show here.
1:11:32
Until next time, guys, may all your hits be good.
1:11:36
Good night.