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ToddCast Podcast with Todd Starnes - The Buddy System for Voting · Salem Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: From Memphis, Tennessee, it's Common Sense Conservative Commentary from Todd Starnes.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, fellow patriots. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd Starnes today. Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Starnes will be back behind this microphone tomorrow, having completed
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  Speaker 2: a glorious tour of the Golden State. To talk about
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  Speaker 2: the book, The Golden Age, you see Todd on C-SPAN
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  Speaker 2: yesterday morning on the Washington Journal. He is showing up
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  Speaker 2: everywhere and will be right back here where he belongs tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: My privilege, however, to once again speak with you in
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  Speaker 2: Starnes Nation from the Liberty University studio and my home
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  Speaker 2: base at News Talk 1540 KXEL in the heartland right
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the state of Iowa. And we
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  Speaker 2: are so glad that you're along on this Monday edition
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  Speaker 2: of the program. Lots of great guests. Always time to
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  Speaker 2: hear from you, though, at 901-260-5926. That's 901-260-5926. Same number
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  Speaker 2: as always. Coming up just after the bottom of the hour,
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  Speaker 2: we'll speak with Todd Sheets. Mr. Sheets had a career
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  Speaker 2: doing investment banking, and now he writes about policy and economics,
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  Speaker 2: and he has a very interesting take on that. The
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  Speaker 2: U.S.-China Relationship in the Wake of the Trump-Xi Meeting. Todd Sheets,
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  Speaker 2: he's author of a substack entitled On Wealth and Progress.
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  Speaker 2: That's coming up at the bottom of this hour. Later
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  Speaker 2: today on the program, Hans von Spakovsky of Advancing American
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  Speaker 2: Freedom will talk about this. Again, it's an odd case
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  Speaker 2: involving a federal judge. Federal judge has declared the law
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  Speaker 2: criminalizing non-citizen voting illegal. The law itself to be unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about turning things on its head. We'll speak with
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  Speaker 2: Hans von Spakosky of Advancing American Freedom on that today
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  Speaker 2: as well. Your calls is welcome, as always. I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at the list, and that's where I distracted myself.
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  Speaker 2: This is a good list. Former Trump pardon attorney Eagled
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  Speaker 2: Martin will be along. Dennis Neal, the financial journalist. An
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  Speaker 2: awful lot of good stuff. Got to load it up
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  Speaker 2: with guests in anticipation of Todd's return tomorrow. All right.
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  Speaker 2: 29 days until Election Day. Early voting has already begun
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  Speaker 2: in many states. Hard to believe. 29 days until Election Day,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of folks are tired. They are tired
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  Speaker 2: of all the ads. Brothers and sisters, you ain't seen
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  Speaker 2: nothing yet. more and more money coming into these key
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  Speaker 2: states and these key races. There are very few races
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  Speaker 2: that are actually competitive. And if you're in a state
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  Speaker 2: like I am with one or two or three of those,
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  Speaker 2: it's nothing but political ads all the time. Truth long
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  Speaker 2: ago left the building with regard to those. However, however,
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  Speaker 2: we cannot simply sit back and say, I'm tired of it.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're listening to this program. You're someone who pays attention.
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  Speaker 2: You're someone who is going to vote, and you know
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  Speaker 2: about the issues and who you're going to cast a
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  Speaker 2: ballot for on November 3rd or before, if that's your habit.
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  Speaker 2: I make it a practice. I go to the polls
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  Speaker 2: every election day. Even though I'm working doing this kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff and am busy, to me, election day means
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  Speaker 2: election day. So I go. That's just the way I am.
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  Speaker 2: It may be in the morning. It may be in
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  Speaker 2: the evening. but I show up and feel good about it.
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  Speaker 2: Get my little I voted sticker the whole bit. You
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  Speaker 2: may have a different plan. Life may require you to
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  Speaker 2: vote in person early. Fine. Buy mail, whatever it takes.
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  Speaker 2: So you're going to take care of business. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: you're starting to feel like I vote for these people
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  Speaker 2: and it just doesn't matter. Well, it does matter. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is something we talked about here on this program
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. And I saw Todd posted a similar thread
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  Speaker 2: on social media over the weekend. We cannot send a
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  Speaker 2: message during this election. And here's what I mean by that.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned it Friday, but it bears repeating. If you say, oh, look,
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  Speaker 2: they're not passing anything. They don't care in Washington. What
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  Speaker 2: difference does it make? I'm going to show them. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to send a message. Maybe I'll stay home. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'll vote for an independent or a libertarian candidate. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'll skip that particular race on the ballot. Boy, I'll
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  Speaker 2: show them. What are you going to show them? I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to send a message. What's the message? The time
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  Speaker 2: for message sending is during a primary. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: rally around at the time of the general, or you're
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  Speaker 2: going to wind up with folks in office that you
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  Speaker 2: never would have voted for some of the folks on
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  Speaker 2: the ballot are not the best but imagine the alternative
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  Speaker 2: okay so that's the basic principle that i'm getting across
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  Speaker 2: to you you cannot send a message with a protest
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  Speaker 2: vote these elections are way too close and i'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about if they count them fairly imagine how many votes
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  Speaker 2: you have to have in the places where they tend
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  Speaker 2: to cheat So every single vote counts. I'm here in
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  Speaker 2: the state of Iowa where six years ago, a congressional
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  Speaker 2: race was decided by six votes. And they counted and
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  Speaker 2: recounted and there were challenges and it still came down
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  Speaker 2: to six votes. Because I'm in a state with paper ballots,
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  Speaker 2: with audits, with all manner of checking, with voter ID.
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  Speaker 2: And in fact, in the last two election cycles, this
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  Speaker 2: one and the one before, We have a Republican incumbent
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Paul Pate, veteran Secretary of State,
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  Speaker 2: cares an awful lot about election integrity. Democrats have challenged
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  Speaker 2: him each time out, obviously. That's how the thing works.
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  Speaker 2: But in this election and the one four years ago,
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  Speaker 2: when I point blank in interviews asked the Democrat running,
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  Speaker 2: do you have any concern about the accuracy of our elections? No.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any concerns about ballots that are being
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  Speaker 2: snuck in are not counted? No. Okay, so it's a
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  Speaker 2: fair election. Yes. I feel fortunate to live in a
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  Speaker 2: state where even the opposition has to concede that the
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  Speaker 2: thing is done fairly. So you can take care of
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  Speaker 2: your vote. But again, I just told you of one
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  Speaker 2: example where six votes made a difference. And that person's
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  Speaker 2: on the ballot again for re-election. You know all manner
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  Speaker 2: of different races around the country where it was just
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  Speaker 2: a few votes here and there. So you're going to
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  Speaker 2: go do your part. Okay, great. How about bringing some
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  Speaker 2: people along with you? Now I'm stealing what I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to share from a friend who has written a book
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  Speaker 2: called The Two-Hour Entrepreneur. His name is Ken Chester. And
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  Speaker 2: his theory is, if you want to start a business,
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  Speaker 2: it seems monumental, but if you just dedicate a random
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  Speaker 2: two hours a week, set aside two hours a week,
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  Speaker 2: that you would have just frittered away doing any other thing.
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  Speaker 2: If you focus with a plan in just that two
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  Speaker 2: hours a week, by the course of a year, you've
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  Speaker 2: tested your business plan and you're up and running. His
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  Speaker 2: website is KennethJChester.com. It's an interesting concept. The Two-Hour Entrepreneur. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to steal his idea. Everyone in this audience
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  Speaker 2: can carve out a certain amount of time, either every
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  Speaker 2: day or every week leading up to the election, to
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  Speaker 2: urge other people to vote. It's a buddy system, if
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  Speaker 2: you will. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that you all
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  Speaker 2: link arms and go trotting up to City Hall and
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  Speaker 2: cast your ballot. If you do, please post it and
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  Speaker 2: tag me in it. But I'm talking about what can
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  Speaker 2: you do, and it's one thing at a time. How
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  Speaker 2: many of you folks in Starnes Nation pay very close
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  Speaker 2: attention to who you do business with? It's probably everybody, right?
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  Speaker 2: These days, you have somebody who's going to do some
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  Speaker 2: work at your house, and you kind of feel them
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  Speaker 2: out a little bit to see, Okay, are they politically
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  Speaker 2: aligned with me? Don't want to get crosswise here. And
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  Speaker 2: then you figure out who you can do business with
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  Speaker 2: because you all, again, you kind of feel each other
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  Speaker 2: out like boxers in a ring, and then pretty soon
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  Speaker 2: you know that you're patronizing somebody who believes in what
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  Speaker 2: you do. Patriot Mobile's that way, by the way. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about them later. But once you kind of get
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  Speaker 2: a comfort level, right, then you start talking about things
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  Speaker 2: that are going on in the world. And what I
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  Speaker 2: find is there are a lot of people out there Good,
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  Speaker 2: hardworking folks who don't vote because they think it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: They don't vote because they're busy trying to run their
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  Speaker 2: business or work two jobs or take care of their families.
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  Speaker 2: And for what? reason, they just simply don't vote. They're interested.
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  Speaker 2: They have views very similar to yours. They just don't
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  Speaker 2: take the time. Now, here's where you come in. Bring
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  Speaker 2: these people along across the finish line. Maybe you have
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  Speaker 2: friends who In key states, they're all key states, but
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  Speaker 2: especially in key states, maybe you have relatives, same way,
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  Speaker 2: where they just don't want to bother to vote because
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  Speaker 2: what difference does it make? Folks, it makes a difference,
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  Speaker 2: and it especially makes a difference now. Because look at
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  Speaker 2: the alternative. And this is all you have to say
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  Speaker 2: to these folks. And this is the part about just
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  Speaker 2: carve out a little bit of time. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: go into your phone and send a mass text to
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  Speaker 2: everybody in your contact list. I'm not saying send a
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  Speaker 2: form email to everybody in your inbox. Sounds overwhelming. Sounds
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  Speaker 2: like spam. And this can be overwhelming if you don't
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  Speaker 2: take it in little bites. So depending on your schedule,
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  Speaker 2: your time, etc., how about thinking of one person today?
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  Speaker 2: Just one person who you want to make sure shows
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  Speaker 2: up to vote. And then give them encouragement. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: a call, it's a text, it's an email. Hey, I
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to let you know I've really been following
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  Speaker 2: this stuff in the news. You are going to vote,
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  Speaker 2: aren't you? Well, I don't have time. Can I get
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  Speaker 2: you the registration form? Okay. Don't take an excuse as
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  Speaker 2: being satisfactory. Just pick one person. One person you know
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  Speaker 2: who might not show up to vote. And gently suggest
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  Speaker 2: it's really important. Because if the other folks get in charge,
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  Speaker 2: that small business owner is going to be paying an
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  Speaker 2: awful lot more in taxes, as will we all. There's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot more government regulation on their business.
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  Speaker 2: Think how free you are now. Think of how much
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  Speaker 2: extra money you have now after the big beautiful bill
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  Speaker 2: went through. You want to go back? That's your selling point, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Find one person today. Just one. And then tomorrow, find
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  Speaker 2: another one. And then Wednesday, find another one. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: you've got the time and you've got the network of
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  Speaker 2: people so that you can contact two people today, do that.
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  Speaker 2: You get comfortable, maybe it's five people. Imagine in 29
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  Speaker 2: days until election day. I'm just going to round up
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  Speaker 2: and say 30. We don't have that much time, but
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  Speaker 2: say that it's 30. 30 days and you picked five
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  Speaker 2: people a day. That's 150 people. Say how quickly you
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  Speaker 2: as one person can make a difference through your own
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  Speaker 2: contact of friends and neighbors. The buddy system. Don't go
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  Speaker 2: swimming without a buddy. Remember that? Don't go vote without
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  Speaker 2: a buddy. And go find these people. Somebody comes to
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  Speaker 2: the house to work on the kitchen sink and you
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  Speaker 2: know that that plumber is receptive to your view of
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  Speaker 2: the world. Make sure that they're in it. Make sure
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  Speaker 2: they're in the game. So that when others are trying
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  Speaker 2: to rig the game, it's still fair for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us. Think of during this upcoming commercial break. Think
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  Speaker 2: of one person. And maybe even as you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: the good messages from sponsors, send them a text or
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  Speaker 2: an email. Or maybe you've got a niece or a
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  Speaker 2: nephew or a son or daughter in key states like
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota or North Carolina or Kansas or Iowa. Just reach out. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing? By the way, Election Day is November 3rd.
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  Speaker 2: Think about your list as we take this short break
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  Speaker 2: from the Liberty University studio. Back on the other side,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. Todd is back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 2: Liberty University studio and the Todd Starn Show. Jeff Stein
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  Speaker 2: filling in for Todd, who is back tomorrow. 901-260-5926 is
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  Speaker 2: always the number where you can join this coast-to-coast conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Todd Sheets will join us just after the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the hour to talk about U.S.-China relations, particularly from an
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  Speaker 2: economic standpoint. And then just after the top of the
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  Speaker 2: next hour, Hans von Spakovsky and non-citizen voting. All that
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  Speaker 2: and more on this Monday. Well, did you make your
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  Speaker 2: list during the commercial break? Listened to the commercials, of course,
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  Speaker 2: made notes about sponsors that you should patronize, but then
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  Speaker 2: a list of people you should contact as part of
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  Speaker 2: this buddy system. Get more people out there to vote.
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  Speaker 2: Especially good if you've got grandchildren. How is little Johnny
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  Speaker 2: or little Susie going to say no to Nana?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And that does bring up an interesting point about young
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  Speaker 2: people who are away at college. All right? Now, when
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  Speaker 2: I went to college, I can barely remember it. It's
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  Speaker 2: been that many years ago. But I voted absentee at home.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the same state. But I voted absentee
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  Speaker 2: at home.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because... I didn't live permanently where the university was, and
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  Speaker 2: given how ultra-liberal Iowa City was and is, we call
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  Speaker 2: it the People's Republic of Johnson County for a reason,
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  Speaker 2: my one vote wasn't going to make much difference there,
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  Speaker 2: but it did make a difference back in my home area. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it might be a situation where your little urchin, child, grandchild, etc.,
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they should vote where they're going to college. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: that will be the best way for their voice to
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  Speaker 2: have as much impact as possible, their vote to have
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  Speaker 2: as much impact as possible. But it's something to consider
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  Speaker 2: and make sure people are properly registered. You can do
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  Speaker 2: same-day registration, you know, all of that stuff. But the
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  Speaker 2: bottom line is this election is too important to just
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  Speaker 2: let somebody sit on their hands. So whatever you can
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  Speaker 2: do to facilitate it. Now, as I said, don't just
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  Speaker 2: come across as the crazy guy sending everybody a mass text.
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  Speaker 2: I would make it just a very personal, subtle little thing. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you are going to vote, aren't you? Do you know
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  Speaker 2: how much your tax, you know, how'd you do on
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  Speaker 2: your taxes last year? Oh, I got this big refund. Well,
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  Speaker 2: kiss that goodbye if Democrats take over in Congress. How
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  Speaker 2: are you feeling about your kids or grandkids in the
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  Speaker 2: locker room? It's much better now. Uh-huh. You want to
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  Speaker 2: take a step back? See, these are the important points.
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  Speaker 2: You know all the answers. Because you're listening to this program,
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  Speaker 2: you know the answers. You know how you feel. You
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  Speaker 2: know what points to make to your circle of friends, neighbors,
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  Speaker 2: business associates, relatives. You know how to push the buttons.
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  Speaker 2: And my fear is not that they aren't well-versed and interested.
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  Speaker 2: My fear is that they're apathetic at this point, that
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  Speaker 2: they're tired of the whole thing, a pox on all
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  Speaker 2: your houses. Yeah, I get that. I get that. But
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  Speaker 2: why is the president going all around the country? It's
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  Speaker 2: to make sure the base is fired up. His base,
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  Speaker 2: as well as the quote-unquote traditional Republican base. Both have
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  Speaker 2: to be fired up. And then they need to bring
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  Speaker 2: a few friends who aren't as fired up. That's the
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  Speaker 2: only way this is going to work. That's the only
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  Speaker 2: way that when we reconvene on November the 4th, the
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  Speaker 2: day after Election Day, it's the only way we know
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  Speaker 2: whether the coffee is going to taste sweet or bitter.
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  Speaker 2: That's all there is to it. Todd Sheets about China
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  Speaker 2: and the U.S. after this bottom-of-the-hour break. Jeff Stein in
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  Speaker 2: for Todd. He's back tomorrow on the Todd Starnes Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and the Todd
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  Speaker 2: Starnes Show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Starnes is back behind the microphone tomorrow. Let's go now
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  Speaker 2: to the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line, and I'm pleased to
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  Speaker 2: welcome Todd Sheets. Mr. Sheets is a retired real estate
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  Speaker 2: investment banker, and now he is an author and commentator.
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  Speaker 2: You can read his work at his Substack site, which
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  Speaker 2: is toddsheets.substack.com. Or go to his website. You can see
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  Speaker 2: it there as well, ToddSheetsWriter.com. Mr. Sheets, Jeff Stein filling
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  Speaker 2: in for Todd today. Good to talk to you again, sir.
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  Speaker 5: How are you?
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  Speaker 6: Jeff, I'm doing fantastic, and it's great to be with
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  Speaker 6: you again.
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  Speaker 2: Recently, you posted at your substack an interesting piece about
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  Speaker 2: the China-U.S. economic relationship in the wake of the Trump-Xi summit.
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  Speaker 2: And there are some folks who are kind of taking
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  Speaker 2: jabs at it, saying, well, it didn't do anything. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't important. It was nothing more than photo ops. What's
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  Speaker 2: your assessment of that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that the criticisms of Trump, that kind
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  Speaker 6: of have come from both sides of the aisle in
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  Speaker 6: some cases are misplaced in that they failed to understand
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  Speaker 6: that what he's doing is managing the Xi and China
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  Speaker 6: relationship in the context of a total change in the
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  Speaker 6: geopolitical kind of global picture. You know, and if you
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  Speaker 6: just think about it, since his first term, first of all,
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  Speaker 6: we've significantly increased tariffs on China as a result of
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  Speaker 6: Trump's administrations from about 3% when he first came into
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  Speaker 6: office in Trump 1.0 to somewhere around 25% to 30% today,
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  Speaker 6: which I think is part of isolating China and help
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  Speaker 6: rebuilding America. At the same time, we've seen a dramatic
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  Speaker 6: swing in Latin America away from China's influence, Russia's influence,
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  Speaker 6: away from left-oriented policies, and back towards pro-American, pro-capitalism-oriented policies,
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  Speaker 6: largely because of the efforts of Trump. And specifically, we've
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  Speaker 6: seen big changes happening there in Venezuela, and more recently,
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  Speaker 6: we're looking at things in Cuba. North of us, we've
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  Speaker 6: seen a big change with the recent agreement In Greenland,
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  Speaker 6: where we've got perpetuity, exclusive rights to put military bases
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  Speaker 6: there and make a buildup that will help protect the
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  Speaker 6: north waterways that are so critical to the future up there.
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  Speaker 6: We've seen it in Europe and we've seen it in
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  Speaker 6: the Middle East. And so I think one of the
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  Speaker 6: big things that Trump is doing is.
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  Speaker 6: He's dramatically resetting the chessboard, if you will, in our favor,
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  Speaker 6: but at the same time trying to make Xi feel
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: like he's building a relationship and a friendship with America
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: that helps keep that relationship in the best place it
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: can possibly be while Trump is pushing through these other initiatives.
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  Speaker 2: Too many times, it is my opinion, that folks who
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: try to analyze this, in other words, let's analyze the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Chinese mindset. They make the presumption that their system is
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like ours and that their people will respond as our
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: people would and their leaders act as our leaders would.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: You've got to understand the mindset of the system first,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and that makes a big difference in how you deal
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: with them, correct? My point is I don't think that people,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: as they analyze it, are coming at it the right way.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I completely agree with you, Jeff. I mean, you
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: have to keep in mind, in these kinds of communist-controlled
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: authoritarian systems, you've basically got a small group of about
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: ten people, which are basically, or less, I think it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: about seven at this point in time, that are really
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: the inner circle for Xi and the people that are
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: really making the decisions to run China. And they have
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: to repress Xi. basically 1.4 billion people and keep them
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: from having the freedoms and the economic opportunities that a
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: system like ours would bring to them, which would be
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: substantially better for them all the way across the board.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: But they have to repress and suppress those freedoms and
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: opportunities in order for them to stay in power. And,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: you know, that creates a totally different equation in terms
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: of the way they interact with their people, the decisions
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: that they make, and really the reasons that they oppose
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: us around the globe. Because the more prosperous America is,
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: and the more aware their citizens are of that prosperity,
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: and I don't just mean economic, but socially as well,
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: and from a freedom perspective, the more difficult it is
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: for that small body of 7 to 10 people to
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: keep control over the 1.4 billion who they are repressing
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: in order for them to stay in power.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Todd Sheets is our guest. His Substack newsletter on wealth
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and progress. It's free of charge. Mr. Sheets, also the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: author of the book 2008, What Really Happened? He joins
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: us on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line on the Todd
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Starn Show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: have heard people again with their pop analysis of these
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: things saying, well, obviously China will come to the table
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to buy U.S. food and grains because otherwise their people
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: will starve. They don't care. I mean, again, we're looking
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: at it from the wrong perspective. It's got to bring
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: some level of broader glory to, again, the handful of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: people running things, correct? I mean, there's not a situation
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: where they sit back and say, well, we want to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: make sure the people are well fed. Not if it
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is contrary to their own personal goals to remain in
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: dictatorial power.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. And it's shocking to me how frequently.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Mistake that you're alluding to gets made, and by some
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: of the people that make it. I mean, we recently
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: saw Hillary Clinton, within the last few weeks, has talked
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: about the importance of us having a dialogue with China
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: about artificial intelligence, super intelligence, whichever you want to call it,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: so that we can work together to develop this for
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: the benefit of mankind and prevent problems from occurring and
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: that kind of thing. And I had to just shake
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: my head looking at that because, you know, we basically
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: have 25 years of history at this point where after
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: we gave them an economic olive branch to help them
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: try and recover from the massive destitution that communism created
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: in that country... And instead of accepting the olive branch
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: and working with us under the kind of mutually beneficial
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: Western standards that could have benefited both countries, basically what
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: they chose to do was continue exploiting their own people.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: exploiting their relationship with us and doing everything that they
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: could to manage that olive branch so that they could
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: rebuild the Chinese Communist Party, they could undertake one of
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: the greatest military buildups in history, and so that they
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: could then stand up and oppose us everywhere around the globe. So,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: you know, the idea that they're somehow going to work
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: with us in a mutually beneficial way on anything... As
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: I wrote in the piece that you were referring to,
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: it's naive at best and dangerously foolhardy at worst.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: The Substack piece, ToddSheets.Substack.com, Trump and Gee, it's not time
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to poke the panda. Mr. Sheets continues with us on
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. There's a sense, and again,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you've mentioned this, but it is the kind of thing
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that just made me shake my head as well. Well,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: why are we giving Xi all of the pomp and circumstance?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Why are we catering to him? Well, it has to
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: do with the so-called charismatic leader approach. He's got to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: feel important so that we can then keep him at
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: arm's length while we take care of a few other
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: things that may be even more central to our own security,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: both national security and economic security, correct?
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're right. This is so many people, you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: they get lost in, you know, what's happening on the surface,
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: and they miss the substance of what's happening underneath that. And,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: you know, again, just to go back to a couple things,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, we have taken away their control
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: of the Panama Canal. We have virtually kicked them out
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: of Latin America and their influence there. We have effectively
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: frozen them out of future access areas. to northern waterways,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: which are very important by what we're doing in Greenland.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: And at some point, we are going to have to
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: confront them. You know, at some point, they are going
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: to make a move, maybe gradual, maybe not so gradual,
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: on Taiwan to try and get control of the shipping
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: lanes in the South China Sea and throughout Southeast Asia,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: which are absolutely critical, not just to global commerce, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: also to our commerce here and the build-out of our
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: tech industry and those kinds of things, these areas where
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: we lead the world. But the last thing we want
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: to do is to have to deal with them right
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: now on those issues while we're still trying to resolve
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: the conflict in the Middle East and while I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: Trump would very much like to turn his attention to
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Latin America and going after the drug cartels as a
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: second focus right now. But Giving Xi the pomp and circumstance,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: making him feel like a big shot, being seen internationally
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: on a stage with Trump, all those things are freebies
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: that we can give him if you don't draw the
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: wrong conclusion from it. It doesn't cost us anything. We
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: don't have to rescind anything on the Panama Canal or
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: roll back any of the advancements we're making anywhere else.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: That is a freeway to try and make him feel
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: like his standing is rising in the world.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: He has a good.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: Relationship with us in spite of some of the things
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: that are happening beneath the surface. And so, yeah, I
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: think I'm all for the approach that Trump is taking there.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: This is probably an unfair question. It will not stop
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: me from asking it, but you're a person who deals
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: with data and the impact of policies on markets, etc.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask a political question. If that
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't Trump standing there next to Xi Jinping, And everything
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: else was the same in terms of the pageantry, in
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: terms of the issues that we're facing. You wouldn't hear
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: such criticism, would you, from all cornerstones?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, the traditional media, you know, which has very
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: much been aligned with the Democratic Party for many years,
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: would have been bending over backwards and in order to
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: portray this as a great moment of international diplomacy and
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: building a relationship which is critical to the future and
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: all those kinds of things.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: It would have been the polar opposite of what we saw.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: So with regard to superintelligence, what should the administration be
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: doing now to maximize its potential for this country while
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: minimizing harm and protecting that we are not at risk?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: from those who might do us harm, like China?
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, great question. Very important point right now.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: And I think this is being politicized to such detrimental
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: effect for so many Americans. And I think, fortunately, this
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: is another thing. I don't agree with what Trump is
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: doing on everything, but this is another area where I
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: think they are right on the course that we need
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: to be on. This is the future. Whether we are
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: leading it or we're not, this is going to be
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: the future. And if we try and restrain and control
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: our leading technology companies in a way that countries like China, Russia,
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: or anywhere else in.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: The world are not going to be controlling them, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: we can't.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: Control what they do, then we will lose this race.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: And if we lose this race, we will lose the next.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: 50 years or so.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: And I think Trump, you know, he's boiled it down
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: to a very good phrase, whoever wins, AI wins. He's
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: right about that. I believe that this is going to
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: unlock a new industrial revolution in America and for the world.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: And there will be difficulties. Some of them will be
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: dangerous that we will have to deal with as this
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: moves forward. But the best way for us to deal
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: with those things is for us to remain in the
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: lead so that our leading companies can not only be
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: controlling the rollout in the safest and best way possible,
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: but so that we can also be building the defensive
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: mechanisms and tools that will help protect our systems from
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: the potential downsides of all of this. And I would
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: just go back. There are many false impressions that have
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: been created of the Industrial Revolution. Economic history is something
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: that I spend a great deal of my life and
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: time on, and those impressions are wrong. What happened in
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: the Industrial Revolution doesn't mean that there weren't anecdotal cases
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: where people were exploited or taken advantage of, but by
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: and large it was a period of time when rising
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: worker productivity led to falling prices for things like automobiles
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: and other consumer products, which led to extraordinary increases in demand,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: which led to extraordinary increases in employment and workers' wages.
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: And it also led to things like shorter working weeks
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: and weekends off and more leisure time and creation of
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: the middle class. And I believe in my heart of
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: hearts that that is where properly managed, which means first
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: and foremost that we stay in the leading position, that
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: is where artificial intelligence is going to lead us into
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: the future as well.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: 2008, What Really Happened? Understanding the Great Financial Crisis. That's
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the recent book authored by our guest, Todd Sheets, On
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Wealth and Progress on Substack. Mr. Sheets, great conversation, really informative.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the time. We'll talk again soon.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Jeff, so great to be with you, and I hope
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: you have a great day.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You as well. And Todd Sheets joined us on the
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. Back in the Liberty University studio
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: after this break, Jeff Stein in for Todd. He's back tomorrow,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Where He Belongs, on the Todd Starnes Show. Welcome back
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to the Liberty University studio and this Monday edition of
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the Todd Starnes Show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: one more day. He is back tomorrow after a glorious
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: tour of California promoting the Golden Age. Get it wherever
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you get your good books these days. Get a second
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: copy for a friend. If you were unlucky enough to
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: watch the Sunday shows on the formerly mainstream media networks,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: You caught Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, Democrat, actually telling
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the truth. They're coming for your money. Now, look at
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the circular logic on this. It was just very simple.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Senator Kelly says, we're going to lower costs for the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: American people. Well, who could be against that, right? We're
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: going to lower costs for the American people. He's asked, how?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And he says, well, I've got legislation. It raises taxes. Okay, stop.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: We're going to lower costs for the American people by
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: raising taxes. That is the Democrat playbook, and it is
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: such an old, tired, inaccurate mantra. let me guess, they're
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: going to say, well, we need to tax the rich
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: or tax the super rich. And we're going to make
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: those rich or super rich people pay their fair share. Well,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: who would be against that? Everyone should pay their fair share.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Except you have to start asking yourself, What they mean
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: by rich. And what I have found is that these
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Democrats have the talking points in front of them memorized.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: They can't go off the script. I've had this happen
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: during this election cycle when I do interviews with Democrats running.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: They say, well, we need to tax the rich. Make
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: them pay their fair share. Okay, define rich. What do
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: you mean by that? What's the dollar amount? Because when
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: they start putting a dollar amount on the taxes that
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to raise, all of a sudden an awful
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: lot of us are included. Well, why would we ever
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: support it? Because if somebody said to you, we're going
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to tax the rich, your initial response is to go, whew,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: thank goodness, because I'm not rich, sure don't feel rich.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But they do mean you. They should pay their fair share.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: It's not fair when you are taxing people at a
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: higher percentage based on the more you make. If it's fair,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: it's a flat tax. They're not talking about that. So,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Senator Kelly, if you want to lower costs, leave taxes alone.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: That's Hour 1, Hour 2 coming up. Jeff Stein filling
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in for Todd one more day. He's back tomorrow on
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the Todd Starnes Show.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: From Memphis, Tennessee, on the banks of the mighty Mississippi,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: it's America's conservative blowtorch. That's us, that's right.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: Our love is American, right.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Todd Starnes.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Hello, fellow patriots. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: from the Liberty University studio and my home base at
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: News Talk 1540 KXEL in the heartland. In Waterloo, Iowa,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: good of you to be along as always. Todd is
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: back tomorrow, no doubt with all manner of good tales
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to report from his trip to promote the Golden Age.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: He's been in the Golden State for the past week plus,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and I know he's itching to get back behind the microphone.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: It'll happen tomorrow, right here from the Liberty University studio.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I want to go right now to start this hour.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Go to the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. And we are
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: joined by Hans von Spakovsky. Mr. von Spakovsky is Senior
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Legal Fellow at Advancing American Freedom. They're online at advancingamericanfreedom.com. Mr.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: von Spakovsky, good to talk to you again. Jeff Stein
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: in Iowa filling in for Todd. How are you?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Jeff, it's nice to talk to you, too. And, yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you definitely are. You are the heart of the country
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: outside of the heart of darkness, as I call Washington, D.C., Well.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: You're welcome to move your base of operations here to
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: God's country anytime, sir. I'm really struck by this legal
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: decision that came down last week. It's a Biden appointee,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: a federal judge who says apparently it's OK for illegals
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to vote. Tell us what the situation is and how
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: did this ruling come slithering on through?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a theory being tried out by, frankly,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: the left. There's a number of these cases going on.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And the way this is coming up is that, as
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the Justice Department is really stepped up criminal
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: prosecution of alien uh... who register or vote it's not
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: just illegal aliens it's any alien reopen aliens illegally they're
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: also prohibited from registering a vote in fact it's a
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: felony under federal law and so uh... this one particular
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: alien down in florida was being criminally prosecuted and this
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: biden judge said no, you can't prosecute her. This federal
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: criminal statute is unconstitutional. And the reason he gives, he
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: gets a little bit right, but he gets the whole
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: thing wrong. He says, look, the Constitution says that the ability,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: the power to determine the qualifications of a voter, whether
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: you're eligible to vote in federal elections is given to
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the state. He's right about that. But he dismisses the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: fact that Congress has 100% power over aliens, naturalization, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: most importantly, the conditions under which they are admitted to
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: the U.S. And he says, well, that doesn't override this
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: other constitutional provision, Jeff. But look, he's wrong. How do
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I know he's wrong? Because the Supreme Court has issued
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a whole series of cases in which they have said federal, state,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: and local government have the ability to keep aliens out
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: of the democratic self-government process. And This decision goes against that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: I think it will get overturned very quickly, hopefully, in
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, but it's just wrong.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Well, you and I went to different law schools at
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: about the same time, as I look at your bio.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: And as I recall, the judges at a district court
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: level were supposed to follow the precedent of the U.S.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court. They are supposed to review statues in the
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: light favorable to them being constitutional as opposed to coming
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: in with the presumption it must be flawed and have
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to be fixed. What is it other than political? What
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: is it that has led to all of these judges
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: sticking an elbow in the ribs of the Trump administration
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: on all manner of things? And then we're supposed to say, oh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the judge said so. It must be the case.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Well i think there are two things going on here
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: i mean first of all everyone should realize that brock
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: obama and joe biden without question nominating got confirmed at
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the federal bench the most left-wing radical ideologues that have
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: ever sat on uh... the the benches of the federal
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: judiciary but but the other thing is look yeah you
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: know i went the law school about the same time,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say how long ago that was,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: but a year and a half ago, Christian Adams and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I co-authored, we did a series where we took a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: look at the top ten law schools rated by U.S.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: News and World Report, mostly Ivy League, and what they're
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: actually teaching. And those law schools have turned into social
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: warrior training camps. And those are the kind of individuals
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: that are coming out of those law schools and then
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: are getting appointed to be judges throughout the federal system.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: And look, there's been case after case after case in
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the last two years where these federal judges, almost all
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the Biden judges, have violated federal law. Ignored federal law,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: twisted federal law in order to get the social policy
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: or ideological result they want. And this is happening constantly.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: We're speaking on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line with Hans
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: von Spakovsky of Advancing American Freedom, advancingamericanfreedom.com, the website for
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the organization. He joins us on the Todd Starn Show.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. Now, you noted
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: that this will very likely be overturned by the 11th Circuit. Well,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: if you're a judge with an agenda, to some degree,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: what do you care, right? You have an appointment to
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the federal bench, and even though you may know that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: you're going to get overturned, you've just caused all manner
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of problem, especially with an election in 29 days. again,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: they're not keeping score of whether you're overturned or not
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: on appeal. I mean, this is truly, and again, it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: not just this incident, but this is truly taking this
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: system that is necessary for our self-governance and just turning
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it on its head.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, unfortunately, I agree with you. And these judges,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: many of them know they'll get overturned, and They issue
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: these decisions anyway because the more they can delay the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: effect of Trump policies, even though they're legal, the greater
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: they believe the chances are that hopefully a Democrat takes
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: over either in the next presidential election or Democrats take
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: over Congress and will stop these policies. I look at
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: like give you a quick example please one of the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: worst judges in the country is a federal judge appointed
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: by Biden in Massachusetts named Brian Murphy the Supreme Court
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: just accepted a case coming out of his court this
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: is the issue of whether illegal aliens have been removed
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: from the country can be returned by the US to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: third countries right not the original country they came from
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: One of the reasons the court, I think, finally took
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: the case is that they had to stay his injunctions,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: which said the government couldn't do this, three different times.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: They enjoined it the first time, and he basically slightly
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: changed his order and enjoined the government again. They stayed
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: it a second time. He did the same thing again.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is the kind of defiance we are
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: seeing in the federal courts.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I also learned, and I went to school most days,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I also learned that a federal or any judge's jurisdiction
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is limited. In other words, if some of these judges
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: issue these sweeping injunctions, that's not exactly legal to begin
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: with because then you are literally holding the country hostage
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: based upon the whims of an individual federal court judge
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in an ultra-liberal district. So how is this even being
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: given credence?
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, what happened was, as you know, the
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: idea of national injunctions came up a while ago, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court issued a decision saying these are not favored,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: these are not something that judges should be issuing, with
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: one exception. And the one exception is if a class
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: of plaintiffs is certified under the federal rule that applies. Now,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you and I both know the standards for that are
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: really strict, right? You have to meet very high standards
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: before you can classify an entire group of people as
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a class, and therefore you can enjoin what's happening with
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: them across the country.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Well....
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: As soon as the Supreme Court issued that decision about
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: you're not supposed to do national injunctions unless you certify
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: a class, these same judges started immediately, willy-nilly, certifying classes
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: to get around it. And, in fact, Justice Alito, in
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: that decision, pointed out that the Supreme Court had left
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: that big hole in their decision. And that's how they've
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: been getting around it.
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  Speaker 2: It is discouraging, to say the least, when you see
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the system that, and again, I go back to a
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: kid in elementary school, you know, the system presupposes that
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: justice is blind, and these folks may have different interpretations,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: but it's not political, and oh, how far we have
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: fallen from that. Hans von Spakovsky of Advancing American Freedom,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: thank you kindly for the excellent analysis and conversation as always.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Look forward to talking to you again sooner than later.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Sure, thanks for having me.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: And Mr. Von Spakovsky joined us on the Patriot Mobile
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Newsmaker line. What's your reaction to this? Love to hear
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: it in the next segment, 901-260-5926. A different conversation about
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a different court case in Colorado and who's liable for
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: climate change? Maybe taxpayers. We'll hear about it after the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: bottom of the hour. 901-260-5926. Continue the Coast to Coast
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: conversation with me from the Liberty University studio after this
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: short break. Jeff Stein in for Todd. He's back tomorrow
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: on the Todd Starnes Show. welcome back to the Liberty
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: University studio in the Todd Starnes show Jeff Stein filling
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: in for Todd travel day for Mr. Starnes he'll be
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: back behind this microphone tomorrow he's back Barack Hussein Obama,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the former president who has kept a rather low profile,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: is going to be on the campaign trail later this month.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Here's the story from Politico. And by the way, the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: folks at Politico, I would suggest, can barely hide their
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: glee and happiness at reporting this news. Former President Barack
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Obama will campaign in Detroit with Michigan Democrats later this month.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: giving the party a high-profile boost ahead of the start
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of the state's early voting period. Obama is set to
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: join Democrat Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed, gubernatorial nominee Jocelyn Benson,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and other candidates on October 24th, the state party announced today.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: El-Sayed says, It is my honor to welcome the former president.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Get out. That's how he closed the tweet, or X,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever the post is. Get ready. That's what I'm
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: afraid of. That if these people are elected, we're going
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: to have to get ready for our entire way of
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: life to be changed. So here's Barry Obama saying, Apparently
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: not satisfied to be on the bench, he's going to
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: show up in Michigan to try to pull these candidates
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: across the finish line. It is not surprising news in
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: one respect, but you're known by the company you keep, right?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: So you're going to have Obama on the stage with El-Sayed.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: put that on the screen on the left-hand side, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: then put up the picture on the right-hand side of
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: El-Sayed buddying up to Hassan Piker, who, of course, now
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: he says, well, he's just some person who posts videos. No,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: he's a guy you invited to get through the primary.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: So does that mean Barack Hussein Obama agrees with Hassan Piker?
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like that's a logical... Connection to make,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: sort of like the degrees of separation. If, in fact,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: El-Sayed and Piker are tight, Piker sure seems to still
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: think so. And now, Barry Obama shows up in Detroit
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: for El-Sayed. I think it's a logical conclusion to make.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: The somewhat fawning piece by Politico goes on. Since leaving
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the White House, Obama has remained one of the party's
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: most popular figures both nationally and among the party grassroots. Okay,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: prove that. Prove that, please. He has campaigned in past cycles,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: but he has made few public stops on the trail
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: this year. Why is that? Why has he made few
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: public stops on the trail? I'm sure his schedule is
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: very busy. No, it isn't. He's one of the party's
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: most popular figures, and yet he doesn't come out to
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: talk to voters and use any of that popularity to
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: help them across the finish line. He's going to do
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: a Washington-area fundraiser this week, Wednesday, with the Democratic Senatorial
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Campaign Committee. That's what they call themselves. It's his first
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: with the Senate campaign arm of the party this cycle.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: So it's like he's waking up four weeks before the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: election and says, oh, I better get involved in this thing.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Kind of a no-lose situation. He picks his spots, shows
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: up only when he wants to show up. And then
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, he can say, well, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't involved. I just came in at the end
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to try to help him out. It's, again, it's the smoothness,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: if you will, of Obama. And I don't say that
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: in a complimentary way. He also was on the campaign
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: trail in Texas not that long ago. And he was
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: in a campaign ad shooting hoops with the Democrat candidate
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: for U.S. Senate in Iowa, a Paralympian by the name
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of Josh Turek. And so there they are just shooting hoops.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Just a couple of guys. I'm not really sure what
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that has to do, you know, if Barry Obama can
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: still drain the J from three-point range. I don't know
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: what that has to do with whether I should vote
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: for somebody that he says I should vote for. But,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: you know, it got him into a gym and shooting
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: the hoops. And, you know, that's good. Good to have
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: exercise like that. It is my honor and privilege to
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: announce that President Obama is joining us on the trail,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Abdul El-Sayed wrote on social media. Closing with the phrase,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: get ready. Okay, Michigan, you better get ready. Because if
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Mike Rogers is not your next United States Senator, there
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: are all manner of problems for Michiganders. It's quite a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: state with, again, like many states, the metro areas are
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: one color. In Michigan's case, the UP and other rural
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: areas are a different color. Y'all got to show up,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: like we said in hour number one. Call or text
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: a friend or a buddy. Remind them. They got to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: pay attention. They got to get out and vote. We're
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: going to talk about a U.S. Supreme Court argument that
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: has ramifications for how much you pay for energy. That's
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: after this short break. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: He's back tomorrow on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: to the Liberty University studio in this Monday edition of
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the Todd Starnes Show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Travel day for Mr. Starnes. He's back behind the microphone
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: from home base in Memphis tomorrow. 901-260-5926. That's the number
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to use to join our coast-to-coast conversation. Gary, if you
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: can still hold on the line, I'll take your call
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and others in the next segment. But right now I
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: want to go to the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. and
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: welcome journalist and author Kevin Mooney. Mr. Mooney is the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: author of a book released earlier this year entitled Climate Porn,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: How and Why Anti-Population Zealots Fabricate Science While Targeting American Capitalism, Freedom,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and Independence. Kevin Mooney, Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Starnes today. Good to talk to you again, sir.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: How are you?
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Glad to be here.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you today because the U.S.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Supreme Court, back in session, first Monday in October and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: all of that, and there is a case that's pending
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: called Suncor Energy v. Boulder County. It comes from the
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Colorado Supreme Court. Give us a sense of what this
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: case is and what it might mean based upon the
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: arguments that have been laid out in front of the courts.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ultimately, it's about our constitutional order. Under our federal system,
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: all states are treated equally. But what climate activists are
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: trying to do here in this particular case, I think
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: it's quite scary. They're trying to put one state, or
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: if that matter, one municipality, one city in position to
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: superimpose their policy preferences on the rest of the country.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: So essentially, because climate activists couldn't get what they wanted
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: legislatively through Congress, they're now trying to work through the
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: court system. And in filing this lawsuit against the Suncor
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: Energy Company in Colorado and also ExxonMobil's defendant in the suit, too.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: They're trying to make the argument that fossil fuel companies
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: through global warming are harming people across state lines, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: therefore one state should be able to superimpose their policy
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: preferences on the rest of us. I mean, there are
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: several problems with that. Number one, their arguments are scientifically invalid,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: because all the updated scientific research points out correctly that
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but it's actually essential
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: for human life on Earth. So, by the way, the
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: science behind their argument is pure bunk. Uh, but beyond that, uh,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: they've seized on this strategy where, you know, say a
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: governor Gavin Newsom could, uh, basically tell people in West Virginia, uh,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Vermont or Texas what to do in terms of their
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: energy policy. And that's really what's at stake here. It's
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: ultimately a case about federalism and the structure of our constitution.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And again, it's the balance of power. As you accurately noted,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: we have a certain amount of states rights that are involved. Again,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: this is a Republic, a representative democracy. And, uh, For
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: any one jurisdiction, we talked about it in the last
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: hour or the last half hour, I guess, for any
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: one judge, for example, to be able to have this
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: national authority was never contemplated by the founders. And in
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: this case, the Colorado Supreme Court, were you surprised, given
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: that it's Colorado, that the ruling came down? It did
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: when it did months ago.
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  Speaker 4: But somewhat, although, again, you know, anyone in a position
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: of authority is going to want to aggrandize themselves. And
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: maybe it's not so unusual for the Colorado Supreme Court
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: to do that. They would only make themselves more important.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: But they've opened up this argument. And I hope the
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: court takes on the structural constitutional arguments. The other part
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: of this case is federal preemption. The defendants are arguing,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: I think correctly, that there's federal preemption involved, that the
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Clean Air Act is actually what covers some of these
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: climate and nuisance claims and that the states really don't
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: have the authority in this area under our federal system.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: And that's a fair argument, but I think the more
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: compelling argument, like I say, is sort of this extraterritorial
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: state overreach where you're trying to, like, does your authority
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: have its state boundaries? Or, you know, for example, if
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: you're someone in Texas filling up your gas tank, you'll
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: say to yourself, gee, I voted for a state legislator.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: that supports affordable energy, but my gas prices are so high.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: And that could be because all of a sudden California
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: or Washington State or Oregon are in position to impose
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: their policy preferences on the rest of us to say
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: that we're going to use these nuisance laws to translate
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: across state lines and use the courts as a backdoor, really,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: to put our policy preferences on top of the rest
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: of us. So there's a lot hanging in the balance
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: with this case. There's huge ramifications.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Kevin Mooney, journalist and author, is our guest. His website
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: is kevinmooney.info. And again, the book, released earlier this year,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Climate Porn, the good folks at Bombardier Books. Put that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: out for our information and enjoyment last February. Mr. Mooney
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: joins us on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. That really is,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to me, one of the interesting things about the case.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: They could either decide it very narrowly, based on just
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the four corners of the Colorado dispute, but because... There
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: are these broader implications at work. The court has an opportunity,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: appropriate opportunity, totally within their purview to say, we're deciding
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: it this way for the Colorado case. But by the way,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: this is not the vehicle by which you are going
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: to drive into court in the future. We're putting a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: halt to this right now. What do you think the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: chances that they will, again, based on the oral arguments, right,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: which I believe were held today, what do you think
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: the chances that they may go with the broader, more
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: wide-ranging decision as opposed to limited just to the merits
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: of this case?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: It's somewhat less likely that they would go in the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: direction I prefer they go in on this broader question
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: because Justice Alito recused himself. because he owns a lot
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: of shares in ExxonMobil. That's come up on board probably
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: with the ethically right thing to do, which means that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: you really can't have any defections from what I'll call
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: the constitutional side. So that could be the temptation to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: issue a more narrow ruling if you want to keep
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh on board with the majority.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: That's just me speculating a little bit. But like I say,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: because you're down one judge, there could be the temptation
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: to have a much more narrow ruling, which I don't
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: think is incorrect. I think if you look at the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Clean Air Act, unless Congress specifically says so, the Clean
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Air Act is what would govern a question like this
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: and not state court law. So, you know, the case
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: could be settled in favor of the defendant that way,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: but it's a decision that's already pregnant with more litigation.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: That's the problem with it.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And given Chief Justice Roberts' propensity to try to work
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: a broader majority with a less impactful, if that's even
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: a word, ruling, I mean, that's what he has done
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: in the past, is try to steer toward something that's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: not such a far, wide-ranging ruling. When you only have
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: the eight, as you say, you can't have any defections
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: just on the core to begin with. Then you get
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: the Roberts behind-the-scenes influence, I would suggest, that makes it
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: less likely.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that certainly is a logical way of looking at it.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: That's kind of the way I'm looking at it right now. However,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: if you listen to oral arguments this morning, of course,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: you can't take everything out of oral arguments. Let's just,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: for arguments, I'd just say it's giving us some indicators.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: If you listen to the questions that Amy Coney Barrett
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: asked this morning, she did indicate to the... to the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: defendant's attorney, is that she agreed with the concerns about
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: extra-state influence or extra-territorial influence. So that was a valid
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: argument from her point of view. So she seemed on
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: board with that. Kavanaugh made the point that there's two
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: concurrent arguments here, the one about preemption and the one about...
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: these structural constitutional questions, and he asked, why, counsel, are
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  Speaker 4: you suddenly leading now with these structural constitutional questions when
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  Speaker 4: your briefs seem to emphasize mostly the preemption question? As
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  Speaker 4: if Kavanaugh sort of signaled that if you stick with
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  Speaker 4: us on the preemption question, the Clean Air Act, you
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  Speaker 4: can probably win handily, whereas if you try to throw
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: the touchdown pass, well, then it gets a little more dicey.
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  Speaker 4: That's just one way of looking at it. And like
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  Speaker 4: I say, you can't take everything out of oral arguments.
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  Speaker 4: You can see where there's sort of like a lot
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: of posturing and jockeying and horse trading going on here,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: which argument is going to carry the day. I will
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  Speaker 4: say one thing that gives me some hope for that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: structural argument is that the climate activists have overreached so much.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you think about it, there would be no
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: limit at all to climate litigation and where it cascades
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: and where it goes. And if you want to make
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: the global warming argument, well, that's international, not national. Every
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: energy company will be open for liability all across the
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  Speaker 4: whole company, or all across the whole globe, rather, based
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  Speaker 4: on what I think is a very wrong theory about
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: global warming. But with that in the box for a minute,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think this is really about the climate or
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  Speaker 4: the environment as such. It's really about climate activists and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: trial lawyers trying to create new revenue streams. That's what
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: it's about at the bottom.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and the Todd
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Starn Show. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. Todd is
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  Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Apparently the climate activist didn't like the question
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I was asking Kevin Mooney, and so they cut our connection,
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  Speaker 2: but it has been restored. And Kevin Mooney, the author
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  Speaker 2: of the book Climate Porn, was kind enough to hold
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  Speaker 2: on through the break so that I could ask him
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  Speaker 2: the question that apparently got me disconnected, Kevin. Why Climate Porn?
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  Speaker 2: Why that for the name for the book?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that comes back to one of the chapters that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: explored what was happening in our educational system during the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: COVID-19 shutdown. A lot of parents for the first time
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: really saw what was being taught in their schools. And,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: of course, a lot of it got into questions of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: conventional pornography. If you look in the textbooks, what was
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: being coerced on these students, it was really terrible. My
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: argument is the same thing was happening with how they
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: were teaching science. what's happened with climate science, the activists
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  Speaker 4: are trying to teach kids that you have the ending
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  Speaker 4: written and you coerce your way to the preferred outcome.
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  Speaker 4: That is not the scientific method. The scientific method is
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: to take a hypothesis, test it, and see if it
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  Speaker 4: holds up under scrutiny. The process matters. So in my view,
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  Speaker 4: what is happening with so-called climate science is really an
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  Speaker 4: exercise in pornography that's every bit as damaging to young
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  Speaker 4: students as the conventional version. It's a distortion of the
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  Speaker 4: scientific method, and certainly in the public schools especially, we
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: should get back to teaching hardcore science and not politicize
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  Speaker 4: it and not push this political agenda upon our students.
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  Speaker 2: And again, the folks who have, shall we say, an
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: addiction to certain types of information, I mean, it's the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: same thing here. I mean, they get so fired up
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: and excited and devoted to it, and again, it has
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  Speaker 2: the detrimental effect. effect to our young people as well.
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  Speaker 2: So the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral argument in Suncor
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: versus Boulder today. As you wait for the ruling, go online, Amazon,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: or wherever you get your good books, and pick up
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: a copy of Climate Porn by our guest, Kevin Mooney.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Mooney, thanks so much for the excellent insight, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: be watching as this case moves through the court.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. Thanks so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: It was a privilege, and Kevin Mooney joined us on
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  Speaker 2: the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker Line, 901-260-5926. Is Gary still on
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: the line? Because I'd love to talk to him if so. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he dropped. Well, Gary, call back. I understand why you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: had to drop. Give us a call back, because I
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: think your point you were making, as you told the screener,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: is absolutely accurate about the Chinese. All right, 901-260-5926 as
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  Speaker 2: we continue on this Monday. What I'm struck by in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: constructing or deconstructing oral arguments before the Supreme Court, and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: that's what Kevin Mooney, our guest, was talking about here.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: You get a little bit of a sense from justices
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  Speaker 2: about what is important to them and what they need
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  Speaker 2: to have clarified. Now, here's how the game is played.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: And I've argued cases before the state Supreme Court of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: my state as an attorney. But what you do is
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: you lay forth your argument. And when you have the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: ability to have an oral argument. You submit it in
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: writing with briefs, okay? And you make your argument in writing.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: And if they grant you oral argument, it's the chance
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  Speaker 2: for you as the litigant, as the attorney, to either
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  Speaker 2: respond to concerns, clarify points, make different points that might
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: come across better verbally than in the written word. So
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: you kind of watch these justices to see what questions
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: they're asking, because it either means they're with you, but
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: they need you to underline it to try to put
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: some over the edge, or it means it's not clear
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: and they need you to go a little deeper into
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: what the argument means. If you have a somewhat shallow argument,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: they may push a little bit to see, okay, how
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  Speaker 2: far do you go with that? You know, what's the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: tipping point? What's the logical extension of it? And as
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: our guest, Kevin Mooney, the journalist and author mentioned during
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  Speaker 2: today's oral arguments, you had Justice Kavanaugh sort of saying,
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  Speaker 2: go more with the federal preemption issue. That one I
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: can get behind. Now, the trick on this is you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: only have eight because Justice Alito recused himself. So you
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: could get four to four, obviously. That's what leads some
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  Speaker 2: to think this could be one of these decisions that
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  Speaker 2: may be five to three, where there's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of precedential value. What does that mean? There's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stuff you can use in other cases it
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: might be limited to the facts of just this case
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: and you might have five people who agree in the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: result in other words who wins but they might come
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  Speaker 2: about it from different reasons so in other words they
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: all vote the same way it's sort of like if
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: there are two roads to get from your home to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: your destination somebody might take this road somebody might take
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: this other road you wind up in the same place
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: but you got there through different methods Well, if that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: happens in a case before the U.S. Supreme Court, what
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: happens is you've got the ruling, which is really important
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: to the people involved in that particular case, but there
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  Speaker 2: may not be enough of a broad precedent is the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: word I keep using, but a broad statement that can
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  Speaker 2: be agreed upon and then used in other litigation by others.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: And that's what we were talking about here. You've got
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: two things going on. One is who wins or loses.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: on that particular issue, but the broader issue of can
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: a state or a municipality preempt federal law that supposedly
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: preempted state action? Can they trump, no pun intended, federal law,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: which then could adversely affect all of us? So if
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Colorado prevails on having energy companies pay for so-called climate
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: change damage, that could not only have a domino effect
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: across the country, but if these companies have to pay damages,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: where do you think they're going to come up with
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: that money? It's going to mean higher energy prices. So
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: they are targeting the reliable fuel industry because of their
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: passion for the unreliable Solar, wind, etc. By the way,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: solar and wind. It was kind of quaint at first,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: putting up a couple of wind turbines here and there.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Now you have innocently named wind farms. Nothing innocent about it.
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  Speaker 2: Because one of the problems is to create the turbine.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: These are these big, you know, two and three story
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  Speaker 2: tall things with these huge blades. First of all, to
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  Speaker 2: construct it takes an awful lot of energy. And what
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: do they use? They use the old reliable fossil fuels
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  Speaker 2: for constructing it. And then after its useful life is
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: completed and they have to replace the pieces, they don't
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: know how to recycle the pieces. They're not easily recyclable.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: The best you can do is take this fiberglass, which
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: is what most of them are made of, and shred
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: it and then use it for some other product. But
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: you're seeing stories around the country, and I understand it's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: especially bad in the Southwest, in essence, wind turbine graveyards,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: just blades stacked up there because there's nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with them. So in an effort to have this wonderful green,
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  Speaker 2: clean energy, you're using more resources to produce the mechanism
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: of getting the energy. They are not recyclable, so now
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: you have created a new problem. They are also not
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: as reliable as what the fossil fuels have proven to be.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: And it's not just a matter of saying, well, you
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: can't have solar if there's no sun out. If it's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: a cloudy day, you don't have power. That's a part
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: of it, but it's much broader than that. So the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: whole aspect of how this was going to be the future,
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  Speaker 2: flawed from the start. Like the whole climate change argument, frankly,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: to begin with. Climate's always changed. Ask your favorite dinosaur,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: if you could. Hour two in the books, one more
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  Speaker 2: to go. Jeff Stein in for Todd. He's back tomorrow,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: thank goodness, on the Todd Starnes Show.
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  Speaker 2: are joined now by Eagle Ed Martin, most recently pardon
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  Speaker 2: attorney in the Trump administration, formerly with Phyllis Schlafly's Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Ed Martin, thanks so much for the time. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 6: I'm doing great. Always good to be with you, Jeff.
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  Speaker 6: I'm glad to hear your voice and happy to talk
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: with your great, well, Todd's great listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and again, you're speaking to folks across the heartland.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Your legal career and activism was based in Missouri, right
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: here in the heartland as well. I've heard a number
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: of reports as to why you opted to leave the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: pardon attorney role. So I'll let you tell us what
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: you're doing now and why you made the switch.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, what I'm doing now is maybe most exciting.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: I left and became a senior fellow at the Center
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: for Renewing America, which is the think tank that Russ
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: Vogt started. He's now the head of OMB, the budget
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: director for President Trump. Russ Vogt is amazing, probably the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: most valuable cabinet member. He's just an amazing guy. So
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: it's a very cool think tank, really on the front
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: lines of what I call MAGA conservatism, really getting after things.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: So I'm really proud to be doing that. I am
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: doing some law. I'm practicing law. I'm also doing some media.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: But why I left, I served over 18 months for
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: President Trump. It was a sprint. It was really important work.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: We did a ton of stuff. But part of the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: reason I left was because Only four weeks from tomorrow,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: we have an election. And I left about a month
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: ago to go out and make sure people knew how
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: much we accomplished, how much we've worked at it, and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: how important it is to get out and vote in
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: the fall, in November, in the midterms. There's always more
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: to do. And Phyllis Schlafly, she would say, you never
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: give up. You never stop because there's always the next thing.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: There's always the most, you know, on the most important
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: issues like life and I'm not protecting the Constitution and
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: even military superiority. You never stop working, but you do
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: have to sort of count your blessings. And this president
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: has allowed so many good people and so many good
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: things to happen. It's just so important to keep talking
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: about it. So that's what I've been doing a lot of.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 6: And it's really fun and powerful to work for the government,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: but it's also tiring. And so I felt like it
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: was the right time to leave.
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  Speaker 2: And no one would contest that this president keeps a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: schedule that would make anyone blush. I mean, holy cow.
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  Speaker 2: And you're a pretty good worker yourself, I'd have to say,
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  Speaker 2: based upon your background. But I saw a report that
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: you were to some degree positioning yourself that in the
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  Speaker 2: event there were shenanigans in some of these states around
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: the time of the election, you could be dispatched or
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: you could connect with people to make sure that the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: votes are fairly counted. Is that perhaps part of what
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: might come?
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  Speaker 6: Well, the timing, certainly, when I was leaving the president,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: I had already been working in the position I was
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: in with some of my colleagues in election integrity. It's
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: always something I cared about. And the president said, you've
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: got to keep working on that. And that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the RMC has a really capable guy named
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: John Sweeney. He's a former congressman. He's the head of
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: the sort of election integrity unit, which is a lot
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: of getting staffed up to have people on the ground. But,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: you know, even as we speak, there's a meeting going
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: on in the Oval Office. I can kind of break
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: a little news with some key folks on election integrity.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: I'm not in the meeting, but I helped prep the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: meeting about how do we go forward when we know
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: we have some problems with the voting machines. And so, yes, diligence,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you mentioned my background. I was the chairman
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  Speaker 6: of the Board of Elections in St. Louis 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 6: And when you learn how elections work, you know, diligence
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  Speaker 6: in elections is never ending. And there are two aspects
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: to it. One is you've got to run a good system.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: And that's a hard thing to do on elections. It's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: like running the Super Bowl, but you only get to
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: do it twice a year. You don't get to play
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: any other games. It's really tough. And so that's one thing.
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  Speaker 6: The system is hard to do. The second thing, though,
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  Speaker 6: is you have to be talking about it in a
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  Speaker 6: way that gives people confidence. And that means identifying what
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: the problems are, fixing them, saying how they're going to
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: be fixed. And I was pointing, Jeff, to a post
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  Speaker 6: on X I made yesterday. There's a letter that came
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  Speaker 6: out a little bit more than a month ago now
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: that says the voting machines have parts that are from
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: China and other foreign countries, and therefore they're not secure.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: And this is Secretary Mueller of the DHS. And he
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: basically said any state that needs to fix that, because
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: it's a real problem, he's got a billion dollars on
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: the table, and he'll come in and fix it. You
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: can change your systems. You can vote by paper ballot, hand.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: Marked, or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's the kind of stuff that we've got
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: to get more people to be aware of. And that's
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: breaking today, even as we speak.
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  Speaker 2: I saw you posted on the Twitter X machine this morning,
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  Speaker 2: and I found that to be fascinating because in states
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: like like where I am, I'm in Iowa. We run
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: fair elections and even the Democrats have to admit that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: that's the case, probably to their chagrin. But we don't understand.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: We have voter ID. We have paper ballots. We have audits.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: We understand all of this dust up in some of
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: these states. But holy cow, election machines with parts made
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: in China? What could possibly go wrong, Ed?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. When you say anything that loud, Jeff,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: you kind of shake your head. You can't believe it. But,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, again, you know, I just was doing a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: segment talking about this. Politics is what's possible. You know,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: we have to figure out what's possible, meaning it makes
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: you crazy if you shake your head and say, how
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: can we have any elections at work? On the other hand,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: what we know is where, like, Iowa has done a
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: pretty good job. Missouri has done a better job. Some
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  Speaker 6: states are better at it. I think Florida has done
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  Speaker 6: a really good job. the risk by getting rid of
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  Speaker 6: some of the worst factors like mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.
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  Speaker 3: But it's diligence.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: It's diligence in the face of what can only be
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: described as malfeasance, people trying to steal the system. But
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you. I can't believe it. Look, when
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  Speaker 6: I was running the elections, they would say things like,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: elections can't be hacked. And the answer, of course, can't
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: be because you don't plug them into the wall. But
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: if you plug them into the wall, they can be hacked.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: If you're in the system, they can be hacked. So
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  Speaker 6: you've got to really figure out how to protect things.
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  Speaker 6: And again, all this talk, I was really interested, Jeff,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: to see a report in Politico, I think it was.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: I don't really trust Politico, but I did trust the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: direction of this, saying that more Democrats not voting mail-in
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: because they're worried that mail-in is not secure. Well, they
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: ought to be worried about that, and that's progress. And
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: we all ought to be saying it's not secure enough.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: And therefore, why don't we vote on election day?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's my pattern. I don't care what. I'm going
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: to vote and get my little I voted sticker, and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I'm going to watch the ballot go into the machine.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: He's Ed Martin, and he joins us on the Patriot
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Mobile Newsmaker line. Todd Starneshow, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Todd is back tomorrow. Now, one of the things that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: with regard to elections that I found interesting is that
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is a what have you done for
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: me lately society, unfortunately, in 2026. And you mentioned at
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: the start of our conversation that you thought it was
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: important to remind people of what this president has done
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: with an awful lot of headwind. Thank you much. What
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  Speaker 2: are some of the things that when you go out
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: and talk to people and remind them of some of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: these accomplishments that they kind of look and go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you know, one of the things that's coming up now,
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  Speaker 6: and I point to it, is the USAID, the so-called
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: Doge effect of USAID, when hundreds and hundreds of millions
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: of dollars was no longer funneled to these foreign organizations
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: that we had no control over and no real accounting of.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 6: That's what Doge did. And people sometimes look back and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: they say Doge was chaotic and Doge was this.
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  Speaker 4: And Doge was that.
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  Speaker 6: All around the world, they're having elections now. They had
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: one in Brazil a couple days ago where the elections
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: look like they're more fair. They look like they're more
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: the will of the people. And I have to say,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: it's largely in my mind because there's not hundreds of
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: millions of dollars being sloshed around in Latin America and
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: South America and in other parts of the world from
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: our tax dollars when we couldn't see it. That's a
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: kind of known play in the playbook of the left.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: So that's an example of things, by the way, that goes.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I was U.S.
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  Speaker 6: Attorney at the time, the first 60 days. Actually, I
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: was there 120 days. But the first 60 days, I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: tell people we fired more prosecutors who were blatantly unfair
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: to the citizens. We dismissed cases. President Trump pardoned all
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: the J6ers, all of the pro-lifers. He pardoned cops that
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: were burdened by these things. He just turned the government
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: upside down. Virginia, in many ways, is now a blue state.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: Because President Trump got the workforce, government workforce, down to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: the lowest it's ever been by percentage. And he did
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: that in 60 days or maybe 90. So all this
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: kind of progress, building up the military, getting rid of
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: the DEI stuff, shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 3: Lost on people.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: You know, really have to remember. Remember, the Education Department,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: for decades and decades, Republicans said, we'll get rid of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: the Education Department. Linda McMahon is actually getting rid of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: it completely. In other words, Trump did it. So there's
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: example after example. Another one, by the way, my wife
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: brings up all the time because she thinks it's so important,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 6: is the reinvigoration of NASA so that we are not
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: trailing the Chinese on getting into space where there's going
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: to be real serious issues and value. So It's like
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: one after another. Do I wish the economy– the economy,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: by the way, is really strong. Do I wish that
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: inflation was further down? Yeah. But you can't spend as
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: much money as Biden did, trillions and trillions, and get
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: it down in just a year or two. Do I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: wish gas prices were lower? They're coming down, right? So
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: there's things that could be better. But in general, directionally,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: I think people are very satisfied that immigration– I mean–
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: There was polling out this weekend that said that Hispanic
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 6: Americans support President Trump's positions on immigration by a majority,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: I think it was, because you've got to play by
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: the rules, right? So sealing the border and playing by
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: the rules, it's surprising to admit it, Jeff, but that's
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: big progress. And we had to do that because the
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: previous administration was so far off.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I've only got about 60 seconds. I work in radio.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: It is not my business to tell people to watch TV.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: other than to say you can watch the Todd Starnes
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Show on Newsmax 2 weekday afternoons, 5 Eastern, 4 Central.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: But you are now the early bird. Eagle Ed Martin.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the new thing that rolled out today
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: that we can see replays on Rumble on, if nothing else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: It's at 5 a.m. each post time, so crack a
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: dawn out where you are, Jeff. But I do a show,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: and the show is called The Early Bird. It's an
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: echo of two things. One, The Early Bird gets the worm,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: the great phrase your grandpa said to you. But also,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s, into 2000s, there was
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: something called The Early Bird.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: It was an email.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: It was a fax. Before that, it was a document.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: in the Department of War, Defense at the time, where
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: they sent out talking points on what was key, what
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: was important. So every morning, I'm going to try to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: drive the agenda for the day. And it's on RAV,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: Real America's Voice, which is a rocket ship going up, up, up.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: And so if people, as you point out, you can
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: watch if you can get up early enough. If not,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: go on social media, and we will have all these segments.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: I have a segment called Name and Shame. where I
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: talk about the people that are really, really bad actors
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: in this country, and that they should not only be
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: held accountable, but they should be known and shamed. So
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: lots of different things, great interviews, and I hope people
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: will check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and X, at Eagle Ed Martin. Mr. Martin, it
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: is always a privilege. Love the energy, love the accomplishment.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: We'll talk again sooner than later, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, Jeff.
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  Speaker 6: God bless you.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: God bless you. Ed Martin. and formerly pardoned attorney for
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration. And he joined us on the Patriot
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Mobile Newsmaker line. Your calls in the next segment at 901-260-5926.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: More from the Liberty University studio after this break. Jeff
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Stein in for Todd. Todd is back tomorrow on the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Todd Starnes Show. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: and the Todd Starn Show. Todd is back tomorrow. I'm
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stein filling in. 901-260-5926 is the number to call
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: to join the Coast to Coast conversation. Now, I don't
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: know how anybody from L.A.J., Georgia has time to call
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: into the show with the Apple Festival coming up, but
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Joe has made time as he listens on the Great
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  Speaker 2: Starns affiliate WDUN. Joe, how are you? Good to talk
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  Speaker 2: to you, sir.
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  Speaker 8: Jeff, you're doing a great job. I always have time
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 8: for the great Todd Starnes show, and I just wanted
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 8: to call in and say that I'm endorsing Ted Cruz
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  Speaker 8: for president in 28. I know Ted well. I helped
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: him last time he ran, and I think he's a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 8: great taxpayer champion and will be a great, a wonderful
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: president of the United States. And I wanted to take
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  Speaker 8: this opportunity to invite Todd. He's very popular in the L.A.
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  Speaker 7: Area.
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  Speaker 8: I'd like for him to come to Pooh's Barbecue. famous
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  Speaker 8: barbecue and speak sometime and love to have you come too, Jeff. Todd,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: the Famous Barbecue does a great job. The barbecue's great,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 8: and we've had a lot of top political leaders there
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  Speaker 8: for years and years, and we'd love to have you
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: and Todd come sometime to Pooh's Famous Barbecue.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I'm good for is carrying his
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  Speaker 2: plate to the table. I mean, he's the star here. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he's a certified, licensed official barbecue judge, too. That's got
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: to be a good invitation for him.
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  Speaker 8: We'd love to have him come to Boots Barbecue and
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: judge the great barbecue. We've had Pat Buchanan and many
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 8: other governors and senators come to the barbecue, and they've
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 8: loved it for years. And I think Todd would love it, too.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: We would love to have him come to speak. at
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: the Famous Foods Barbecue.
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  Speaker 2: There should be a bell that goes off every time
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  Speaker 2: you say the name of the place. 55th Annual Georgia
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Apple Festival this time of year down there. How many
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: of those have you been to?
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  Speaker 8: Next weekend, and of course we'll, boy, I tell you, L.A.J.,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: I bet we get a couple hundred thousand people in
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 8: here for that event. In fact, it's not until this weekend,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 8: but already traffic in downtown L.A.J. is just about bumper
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 8: to bumper. It is a very popular event, and And, Jeff,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: you ought to come sometime.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned Senator Cruz, and there's been a lot
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: of talk about if he would be running or not,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: and public statements he's made, public statements Vice President Vance
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: has made. He won the 2016 Iowa caucuses, folks may
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: not recall. What is it that has you come out
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: so early for Senator Cruz?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I campaigned with him last time, and of course
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  Speaker 8: you know he came in second to Trump, and I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: traveled around with him, and the guy's brilliant. He just
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: wrote a great book, a best-selling book about Justice Thomas.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 8: I think Cruz is the smartest. I've been around a
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: lot of intelligent people, but I believe Cruz is the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: most brilliant person I've ever been around, and I think
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: he would be a great taxpayer, champion his president, so
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: I'm fired up and energized, and I'm going to work
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: extremely hard to help elect Ted Cruz president of the
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: United States in 2028, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you finally, what if President Trump
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: puts his endorsement on another candidate?
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  Speaker 8: Well, you know, I respect, I love President Trump. I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: voted for him. I think he's a great president. But,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: you know, if I have endorsed Ted, I'll stick with
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 8: Ted because I can't imagine anybody after, Trump was a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: great president, I think Ted would be. So, you know,
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  Speaker 8: I'll stick with Ted Cruz. If Ted runs, Joe McCutcheon
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 8: will strongly support him, and we're going to get him
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  Speaker 8: down here to Pooh's Barbecue and all the people in
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 8: North Georgia get to know him better. But anyway, I'm
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: fired up, and I thank Cruz for president and Todd
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: Starnes for coming to Pooh's Barbecue.
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  Speaker 3: How about that, Jeff?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a tandem right there, Joe. It is always
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: a privilege when you call the program. I enjoy speaking
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: with you, and you're always so kind with your comments.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, and enjoy the festival the next two weekends.
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  Speaker 3: Bye-bye.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: All right, Joe calling in from Ella J. Georgia on
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: the Todd Starnes Show from the Liberty University studio. I mean,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: you mentioned a barbecue place. Now, I mean, I'm no
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Todd Starnes barbecue level, okay? But I like me some barbecue.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: You know, when we throw radio station listener appreciation picnics,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's pulled pork all around. I'm just saying.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: I'll throw that out there. 901-260-5926. If you'd like to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: weigh in on anything that we've been talking about today,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: the great financial journalist Dennis Neal will join us after
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: we take a bottom of the hour break. He'll join
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: us on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: 901-260-5926.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Get on the phone now and queue up when we
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: take your calls later this hour. Jeff Stein in for Todd.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Todd is back tomorrow on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: back to the Liberty University studio on this final half
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: hour of a Monday edition of the Todd Starn Show.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. Todd is back tomorrow.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to hearing all of the stories of his
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: more than a week in California. As I like to
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: say in the Golden State, to promote the book, The
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Golden Age. Todd is back tomorrow. Joining us now on
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line, a return guest. He is
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: the noted financial journalist and author, Dennis Neal. Mr. Neal,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stein in for Todd. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: I'm fantastic. It's been a happy Monday to you.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's a brighter Monday when I get
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: to talk with Dennis Neal, who is the author of Oregoners,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: How One State Chased Away Businesses and People. All manner
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: of jobs reports last week. People are looking at inflation numbers, etc.,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Distill all of this down. What's important from this flurry
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: of government reports at the beginning of a month, and
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: what's being overblown?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that we are in the middle of
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: an economic miracle in the U.S. I think the economy
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: is incredibly strong and resilient right now. The stats are
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: starting to show, and even if the media tries to
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: bury it, now the most recent jobs report in the Fed,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: deciding whether to raise interest rates, jobs are the most
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: important thing that it watches, okay? And if the Fed
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: raises interest rates too high, that will hurt stocks. That
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: will hurt businesses that want to grow. That will raise
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: mortgage rates for us to buy homes and dull that activity.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: So you hope that the Fed won't raise rates. Well,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: up comes a really punk jobs number. And then it
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: turns out, though, the number's better than you think because
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: Part of that number was after a decline of 20,000
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: jobs in government at the state and local level. They
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: were down 400,000 jobs to levels not seen since the 1960s.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: And that's going to augur well when government spends less.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: But meanwhile, we've got GDP going on right now, Jeff.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: In real terms, after deducting inflation, double the usual long-term
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: growth rate. And we've got median income in the U.S.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: up to an all-time record high of $ 87, 000. Half of
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: the country earns less. Half the country earns more. In Europe,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: median income is around $ 25, 000. So the economy is going strong. Consumers,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: it says on the front page of the Journal today,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: consumers are suspending their displeasure over high prices, inflation, which
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: has come down a lot from Biden, but prices themselves
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: haven't come down because people can afford to pay them.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: The bottom 25% of earners in this country right now
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: is seeing their way up the fastest of any of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: those quadrants among all earners. And so things are far
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: better than the media would have us believe. Why is it, Jack,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: that the stock market is bumping up against all-time highs?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: The S & P 500 is up 32% in the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: past 16 months. Why is it that the University of
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: Michigan's Consumer Sentiment Index is at all-time low? In that
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: gap is the misinformation and lack of coverage of what's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: going on, thanks to mainstream media, which hates Trump so
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: much he broke them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that'll go down in history as one of his
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: greatest accomplishments is breaking them, I suppose. But unfortunately, they
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: still hold sway to a large degree today. If you're somebody,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: and again, I'm not going to get much sympathy for
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: this next statement from people in California, but when I'm
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: driving down the highway in Iowa and I see that gasoline,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: just regular old unleaded gas, is $ 4. 50 a gallon and
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: diesel is at $ 6. 50. Now the unleaded just dropped down
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: to around $ 4, but that's still way higher than I'm
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: used to. You've got to look past that, don't you,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: if you're a voter? I mean, there's a broader mission
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: going on here, even economically, right?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, would I be willing to pay a
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: dollar more a gallon for gasoline for a year so
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  Speaker 4: that we can rid ourselves of the most anti-American, most
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  Speaker 4: murderous government regime in modern world history, the Iranians? I'm
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: much more than willing to pay that. Meanwhile, the oil
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: in the Hormuz Strait is back up to... pre-Iran attack
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  Speaker 4: levels or damn near it. So that's reason to be happy.
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  Speaker 4: You've got the European community, billions of barrels of diesel.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: They want to blame Trump, but the fact is prices
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: were actually higher during Biden. And this is after 20
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  Speaker 4: or 30 years of our closing refineries, cleaning emissions and
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  Speaker 4: restraining the industry. You know, we haven't built a new
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  Speaker 4: refinery since 1977 when we were using and processing and
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  Speaker 4: producing 8 million barrels a day. We now produce 14
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: million barrels a day, and yet we've got the same
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: number of other refineries, hence the choke point and the
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: supply constraints that then lead to higher prices. But they
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: will go back down now. And once we finally kill
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: that snake that we've got our boot on the head of,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: inflation will go down. The economy will roar. It already
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: is growing great guns. I think that capitalism is optimism
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: and hope in the decision. And right now there's way
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: too much glum, bleak outlook. People are almost stuck in
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: that rut.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they just repeat what they hear, I suppose. But
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  Speaker 2: if you're any sort of a business, you have to
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  Speaker 2: have faith. You have to be willing to take a
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  Speaker 2: leap into the unknown. You have to have a good
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  Speaker 2: partnership with God. so that they don't get in your way.
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  Speaker 2: The climate for that, I would suggest, Dennis Neal, is
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  Speaker 2: better now than it was three years ago.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, because Trump is so pro-business. There's a fire
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: effect that happens, because it's not only that they take
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: more risk, they're bold, they grow, also that they know
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  Speaker 4: there's a guy in government who himself wants them to
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  Speaker 4: And he's championing wealth creation instead of apologizing for it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's really good because even the biggest businessmen, the
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  Speaker 4: biggest egos of the dozens or hundreds of CEOs and
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: senior execs I've met over the years, they're incredibly thin-skinned,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: and they are urgent for approval and applause. And so
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: they have a guy who loves them and is a
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  Speaker 4: true businessman. That helps as well. So there's reason for optimism.
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  Speaker 4: And don't forget, the stock market being up, at least
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: half the country benefits from that, hugely so. And now
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: these new Trump accounts, it's opening up stock market benefits
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  Speaker 4: and going up and compounding to millions of newcomers who
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  Speaker 4: never might have had this chance. So there's reason for
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  Speaker 4: hope out there.
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  Speaker 2: Dennis Neal is our guest. He is the host of
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: the What's Bugging Me podcast. Ricochet delivers it. You get
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  Speaker 2: it wherever you get your podcasts these days. Dennis Neal.
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  Speaker 2: He's also the author, most recently, of Oregoners, How One
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: State Chased Away Businesses and People. Prior to that, his
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: most recent book was The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 6: Mr.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Neal joins us for a minute or two more on
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. So the Fed is going
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: to meet the last week of the month, and I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: understand they have their own calendar, etc. I don't know.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not real thrilled with the prospect of a Fed
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: meeting a few days before a general election. Maybe I'm
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: just a little too worried about how people react to things,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: but I know how these meetings have been covered as
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: if it's literally waiting for the white smoke to come
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  Speaker 2: out of the chimney.
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  Speaker 4: All in the bond market is that the Fed will
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: hold rates... where they are now at this next meeting,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: and then raise them in December after the election and before,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the start of the new year. And I
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  Speaker 4: think instead, though, that the punk job number that came
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: in just the other day, and then other data that
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: show certain other measures of inflation are down to 1.9%,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: you know, certain things like that. And you kind of
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: think that the Fed will do it when they just
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: raise rates another quarter point. Because why is it that
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: the Fed assumes that if the economy is growing strongly,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: that that instantly means there's inflation? If productivity is up
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: thanks to AI advances and other technology advances, then you
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: can grow without this inflation in prices.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask, and this is a tough question,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: because for many years you reported on this stuff in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: print and on the TV box. It seems that nowadays
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: the business and financial reporting has kind of devolved into
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: scoreboard so much and we're missing the context. Am I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: accurate in that assessment? And if so, that's not a
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: positive thing for building long-term wealth to be watching the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: ups and downs as if it's some kind of a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: betting game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really has become a betting game, ever more
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: so with places like PolyMarkets and CalSheet adding to this.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that because so much of the media
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: and so much.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, and technology is failing us. The signal is cutting out,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: so that's where we'll leave it with the great Dennis Neal. Mr.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Neal is the one who brings you the What's Bugging
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Me podcast on Ricochet. And again, his most recent book
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: is Oregoners, How One State Chased Away Businesses and People.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I thought the last caller was wonderful in that
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 7: he really recognized the power of capitalism. and everything Trump
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 7: has done to capture that and make it work for us.
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  Speaker 7: And I just wanted to share, you know, everybody says, well,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 7: what is socialism? What is socialism? Well, I heard the
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: most concise, two-word definition of it the other day, and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: it just resonated with me. And socialism is forced obedience.
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  Speaker 5: Think of that.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: Now, it actually hails off as forced obedience in order
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: to survive, which is kind of dark. But when you
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 7: think about it, That's all it is. That's all mainstream
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: media is doing. All the leftists, they are yelling at us.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: We don't like what you're saying. Now, let me just
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 7: finish this. I made this remark at a public appearance
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 7: where I was playing guitar. And one of the patrons
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: of the place went to the management and complained about me,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 7: the musician, for how unprofessional to say that. Well, listen,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: that person basically... was forcing me to obey. They could
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: have left, but no, they had to go to management
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 7: and complain. So if anybody's got any thoughts about socialism,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 7: ask yourself, do you want to be a prisoner? Do
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: you want to be forced to obey? So it really
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: got me. I just, I can't take it. And I
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 7: love Trump and you're doing a wonderful job.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Take care well you're very kind doug and thank you
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: for calling in from georgia you know the thing that's
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: important about that story and i hope you get many
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: more gigs with the guitar based upon this but uh
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: these are the people who claim to want free speech
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: right These are the people who claim to be so tolerant.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to let everybody just be themselves. You don't
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: like the gender you were assigned at birth by God Almighty?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: You can change it. You can have whatever you want
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: to do because we're free and tolerant. Unless you disagree
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: with our narrative, that is. And then you need to
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: be silenced and controlled. Doug brings up such a great
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: point with the story that happened to him. They're not
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: satisfied by simply letting you have your speech that they
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: demand for themselves. They want to stop you. They want
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: to silence you. And again, the group that claims to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: be the most tolerant is the most intolerant on all
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: of these things. And the hypocrisy, it's nothing new. And
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: maybe that's a good way to close for the day.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the left is nothing new, but it
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: is something we just can't say that we're just used to. Okay,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: I've got to go real quick. Kelly calling in from
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma on KGYN. I've got a minute. Go, Kelly.
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  Speaker 5: I hate to, but I have to call BS on
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: our President Trump.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, how?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: Well, he's constantly saying, and boastfully, darn it, I wish
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: he would do that, but he does, that there is
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: no tax on tips or Social Security or overtime. Well,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: there is tax on Social Security. Income tax. And if
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: you make over a certain amount, which is a rather
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: small amount, then your Social Security becomes taxable.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm only going to cut you off and thank
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: you for making the call. I'm glad we got you in.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: And this is something I've complained about and I think
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Kelly would agree. If you have tips, you still have
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: to report them to the federal government. You get a
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: credit back on your taxes, but you still have to
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: report it. And it's the same with the Social Security.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: It's not for everybody. The net is you have no tax,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: but you still have to declare it. That's not as
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: simple as as he might make it seem. Todd is
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Thank you, Helen. Thank you, Dylan. Thanks, Todd,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: for letting me be here. And thanks to all of
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: you on the Todd Starnes Show.