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Reparenting Your Inner child with Human Design with Aypril Porter · The Bridges and Beacons Podcast

• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Mystic Nerd Squad podcast.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Kelly Meyerson.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Beyond delighted, so excited.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can't even tell you.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: April Porter is here on this episode of the podcast.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: She was here before back in season three, episode two, and we talked about parenting and human design.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Her book.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you can see this.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: Those of you who have video parenting the child you have, revolutionary, if you have not read it and you have children.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or if you don't have children, but you're interested in reparenting yourself, I'm going to invite you to pause the podcast right here, get yourself a notebook and a little beverage, and come back with April and I, because April is a human design life coach and author who helps clients reconnect with their authentic selves through understanding their unique design.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: And tonight we are talking about reparenting using human design.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: April, thank you so much for being here.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you for inviting me back.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to be here.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: You are invited to share absolutely all of the wisdom that you have.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: April is a projector, so we want to make sure that we're extending the invitation to her.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: And you have full carte blanche.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to just give us so much wisdom because I was feeling, I was telling April this, I was feeling this morning.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you know what?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: I would love.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would love the reparenting your inner child angle for human design.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: And that is absolutely what we're talking about tonight.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: So how do we do this, April?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Where do we start when we're interested in helping our inner child healing so much?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: And when we say inner child, it's not literally just the inner child.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Am I right?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, it's interesting that I wrote this parenting book a few years ago.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what I found through that process was yes, we want to help our children to stay authentic to themselves and grow up knowing who they are without as much layers of conditioning as we have.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: But in order to do that, we have to do the work ourselves.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have to pull back those layers and look at where our inner child was hurt along the way.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: And we're carrying those hurts forward and bringing that into our parenting, into our work, into everyday life.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've noticed that it's showing up everywhere, especially right now.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's the collective of what's happening in the world, but it's like all of these little wounds are coming to the surface.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: And there's such a beautiful opportunity to look at these through a new lens and look at not just the idea of like, I hear things like, well, what's wrong with me because I keep doing this, or I can't do that, or I can't make this happen.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just such a beautiful opportunity to step back and say, Well, what happened to me?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: And how was my inner child being really wise and protecting myself?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: And what am I ready to let go of and not make it wrong?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like we want to we want to make things so polarized, like it's good or bad.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's neither, it just is.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: But when we can accept that and then choose consciously to shift it into something else, oh my goodness, our world expands.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I feel like this is so huge.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if part of it is at least I can say for myself and and my husband, my friends, there's this intentionality behind conscious parenting.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, you see all the funny reels and stuff where, you know, a daughter will be saying to her mother, no mom, we don't say it like that anymore.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you've probably seen them too.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's like, it's so funny, but it's so true.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it was just the right time for our generation to make that shift.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it really does give us an opportunity, I think, to heal some generational patterns and some things that have happened in the past.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I wonder, I wonder if that's kind of where it's coming from.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: And is it is it the 80s bubble bursting?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: But it seems a big, a big theme for a lot of people.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because as you were talking about that, it makes me think about how we're kind of in this generation that's between.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we're the ant, we have one foot in the analog and one in the digital, and it's like we're straddling both of these worlds.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: So between our parents and our children, we have these two completely different parenting paradigms.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like we're trying to create this new way for our children, but our parents are still in our heads.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And they're often still here telling us exactly what we're doing wrong.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's like, how do we stay true to what we believe is right for ourselves and our children?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it starts with us first, right?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: We have to be grounded in who we are and and pull back all those layers of what's what's in our head from what mom and dad said or anybody else or grandma, um, and just step further into our truth so that we can be that parent for our children.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting, I don't know about you, but for me, like my kids are so much more aware of themselves, of each other.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: And like, there's just this wisdom about them that I can't even imagine having at that age.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: My kids are teenagers and like I didn't learn some of this stuff until I was in my 30s.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, how do you know this stuff?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I know TikTok, right?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like and Instagram, all the things, but it's like they take that in and absorb it.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like they're doing something different.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we can get in on that too.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: Just because we didn't have that at their age, we can get that now.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have to miss out on that, which is what reparenting is all about.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I think sometimes I agree with you, they seem like super brilliant.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my son knows so much about so many different things.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's it's also because they have this, you know, normalization around seeking information.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's not like, you know, when I was a kid, if I really wanted to know something about something, I was gonna be like going through the card catalog, which for those of you who are not from that time in history used to be the way that they organized the library.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: So if you wanted information, you either like were excited because you had the Encyclopedia Britannica, or you were gonna go to the library.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: Now they don't even have to go like out the room, they just grab their phones and everything is so at their disposal.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that that is such a true element that so much more information, and I think they're processing it differently than we process an excess of information.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like they're designed for it.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I I agree with you on that.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I think they also have been raised in a generation where therapy is the norm.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas when I was a kid, you know, it was like, oh, what's wrong with you?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: You're in therapy.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there was a stigma around it.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so all of these little things that happened to us were just suppressed.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, well, we don't talk about that.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we don't do that.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: We, you know, we don't, we don't, we don't.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: And we stuffed all of these things inside.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, whereas they have more ability to process it in real time.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: I totally agree.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: I I think they've just learned to normalize emotions, feelings.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think it's so funny because when my son was really young and like they're more emotionally volatile, it was harder, I think, for me, because it was hard to accept and be with high emotions at that point in my own healing journey.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now it doesn't really phase me quite as much.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was hormones, maybe it was something else, but they don't seem to have a difficult time expressing their emotions as much as we have difficulty sitting with them.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a defined emotional center in your human design chart?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: You do.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's very funny.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: We have uh in my house, we all have emotional authority.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and uh I am the human design geek in my family.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I know my husband's design, my son's design, but they're not really into it.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: But I just find it very interesting.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: When I realized that they're both generators, I'm a manifesting generator, um, that we all have emotional authority and defined emotional centers.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, that makes a lot of sense.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of emotionality and a lot of catching each other's emotions.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, it's okay, that's just the way we're meant to operate.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And there's nothing wrong with it.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like to quote you what you said earlier.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: It just is the way that we function.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that I think that's a piece of it too.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I love human design for reparenting because it shortcuts everything.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: It feels like it just gets right to the heart of the matter.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, okay, this issue is showing up for me.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And we can look in the chart and go, okay, well, you have this open or you have this defined and get into the questions around that specific thing and shift things so quickly rather than like this open-ended like, where do you want to go and what do you want to talk about?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: And where did this come from?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't have to rehash so much of it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: We can kind of pinpoint it and then shift it.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: I love that so much.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: So where do you think people can start if they're interested in reparenting their inner child?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: What is a good spot to go either on the chart or a process to take in the beginning?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think always starting with the basics, right?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: So if we just look at your energy type, what is your energy type and how did the world tell you that that how you are is wrong?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's the first place.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that's usually where those biggest wounds are, right?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: So as a projector, feeling like I always had to keep up with the generators and manifesting generators out there, or to manifest things, which is not quite how we're all designed.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, that was such a huge healing piece for me.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I see that in so many projectors.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: But even the generator and manifesting generator, right?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: The manifesting generator is constantly told that you're you're you're too all over the place, you're doing too many things, you're not seeing things through, can't you finish anything?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're not designed to work that way, right?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Not all things are going to be complete.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then the generator, you know, being um in a position where they feel like they have to use their energy for everyone else, for what other people want.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really about first tapping into what is true and correct for you.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: And if you are making that decision to help somebody, are you doing it out of obligation or are you doing it because you truly want to give that?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm, that I think is is probably such a pain point for so many people that they have been led to believe even before you know you're a generator, you felt that pull to be giving and doing.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then when you learn, but it's also can be like doing what you love to do and what lights you up is so huge.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: I know definitely as a manifesting generator, I beat myself up for years before I understood human design that I couldn't finish things.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm really good at starting things, not good at finishing things, or I'm good at doing things like if everybody else is doing A, B, C, I'm doing A, Z, X, M, L, you know, bouncing all over the place.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes then coming back and going A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and going straight through, but I'm not a naturally linear person.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_02: And when I try to be linear, it feels clunky.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that is very typical, you know, from what I see, is that the manifesting generator feels a lot of times this level of shame around how they have been because of what they've been told about themselves.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And when we peel all that back and you can embrace that, you know, as you have, like your world just expands.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: It becomes okay to be who you are and to do things in your way.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that we can look at, you know, energy type, strategy, and authority, you know, how we make decisions, that is huge, right?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: So emotional authority and and knowing that you need time to make decisions.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Those big decisions mean sometimes need months or and really big decisions.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen it take years for people.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's okay.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: But we live in a society that says, decide now, move on.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Next thing, next thing, next thing.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when you do that, you learn to distrust yourself because you make a decision that's like, oh, that didn't work out very well.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I I guess I don't make good decisions.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, your decision-making process just hasn't been honored.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: I feel that tremendously because it took me until I learned about human design to realize how many times I accepted or agreed to things or made decisions at the height of my emotional wave when everything feels wonderful.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then when it came time to following through on something, being either in the middle or the bottom of my emotional wave and being like, that is not what I want.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: That does not resonate.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even interested.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then having to cancel.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I also have, I can't remember whether it's part of the will center.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like if I say I'm going to do something, the need to follow through on it.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: So that conflict that happens, like you said you would do it, but you don't want to do it, and wrapped around that lot of people pleasing that I had built up in.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it becomes this major conflict and like this sticky situation where I feel like I can't win if I go this way, I can't win if I go this way.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: The only way that I really win is when I honor my emotional wave.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I've taught myself phrases to like backpedal out of commitments to say, let me think about that.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: I need some time to ponder on that.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: I will get back to you on that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great question.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let me think on that.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, different ways that I can postpone making a quick decision.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're right, a lot of people are like, well, come on, let's like time, money, go.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, but I can't, I can't operate that way because it's exhausting.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when I found that I end up in burnout.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: I actually have a defined will center as well, but I have an open sacral and root.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel all this pressure.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like I don't know when enough is enough at times.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then having that defined will center, it's like, if I say I'm gonna do something, I am gonna do it, right?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm the only one who can decide not to do that thing anymore.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I've felt the pressure from the world to just follow through.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I would get myself into situations where I'd say yes to something, maybe on the high of that emotional wave, maybe because I was trying to keep up with other people.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden I was like, I don't have the energy for this.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do this anymore.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't let myself out of it for a long time.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now I've learned it's okay to change your mind.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay to say no, even if you've said yes initially, but it's really about that letting people know, informing them peace.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not just ghosting and being like, oh, not doing that anymore.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's just having this intentionality around it of like, I honor you in your time, and I also honor me and my time.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And this is no longer something I can do.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm letting you know that this isn't going to work for me anymore.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is a big piece of that trust in yourself.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I I, when you said that before, that really resonated with me.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, really feeling like, wow, I really can't trust myself to make decisions.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then getting stuck in inertia, like I'm not gonna make any decisions because I don't trust that I'm gonna make the right ones.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then feeling that feeling of like now I'm not moving anywhere.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just stuck where I am.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens to our nervous system?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: We get super activated, right?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so then anytime we go near a decision, our nervous system flares up and we're like anxious and we're just like, oh, I can't do this.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we either shut down or we spontaneously make decisions, which doesn't lead to good places either, usually.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we have to start regulating our nervous system by understanding how we are designed and then falling in a line with that.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm, I love that so much, and I think so much of what has been healing for me is learning to manage my nervous system.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the more I've kind of gone back into my design and said, let me just take a look at this again.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, where could this be showing up?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love to just look at it and say, Oh, yep, that's that's where that triggering happens.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: And it's likely for that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: I have uh an open G Center.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm so informed and just be like, why can't I just be myself all the time?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm literally designed to be a chameleon and change and never really be stuck somewhere.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that it is very healing and it is very calming for your nervous system when you can sort of take away that pressure of like feeling like you've done something inherently wrong, when you're really just existing out of your design or not in alignment with it, which is creating chaos for you.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I always think of I I had this um mentor who I just really admired because he could just be himself.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like no matter what was going on, you could find him dancing in the middle of uh a room with no one else dancing if that's what inspired him.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: He was just doing whatever he loved at the moment.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought at first I I remember having these thoughts of like, oh, why is he doing that?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like no one else is doing, no one else is dancing.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Why is he doing that?
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then it shifted to wow, that looks really free.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: What does it take to get to that point where you can just be so yourself?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: You can dance alone in a room full of people who were staring at you.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that is that nervous system regulation to me.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's like being who you are in your body in that moment and honoring that fully, completely, no matter what else is going on around you.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think the 40s gives us that as well?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think there is something about the longer we live, the less we care about what other people think.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Generally speaking.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think human design is such a gift that helps us pull back those layers too.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think it explains a lot.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think in the explanation comes that understanding of that was actually my design playing out.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: And at the time I made myself feel bad about it or upset about it.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: And now I can go back and I can look at the situation again and say, wow, that was just how much of that design really plays out.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I find it fascinating too, not only to look at your children's uh design, but your family members' design and to see where your design maybe was triggering for your parents because of what their design was and how hard it was for them to exist authentically, you know, as we go back in generations thinking about how many things uh our parents had to suppress about themselves or or to fit in uh so much more.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Society has become so much more open.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, like like you said about there's more normalization around.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Getting psychological care.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's more talk about mental health, not just mental illness.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I find that fascinating too, just looking to see and reframing what you experienced as a child as it was you didn't do anything wrong, quote unquote wrong, but your design triggered their design.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: And it was the interplay of everybody with those layers of conditioning happening.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: A thousand percent.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I can see that in my own chart.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I have an emotional wave, and it is one that kind of ratchets up in unmet needs, and then it explodes.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: And when it explodes, I feel better, right?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like that pressure is relieved.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: But then I look around me and there's this fallout, and nobody wants to be around me.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember as a kid having those moments where it would be like, the only way I could set a boundary is if I got really mad, right?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember like my parents, but particularly my mom, when I would have this big emotional release, that she would retreat and it would be like the conversation would shut down.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it for a long time I made that mean something about myself, that I was too emotional, that I couldn't contain myself or so many different things, right?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: But then I saw my mom's human design chart and she is emotionally open.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so my emotions probably felt like an explosion at her.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And she just didn't know how to deal with that, especially coming from a generation where we didn't really talk about emotions the way that we do now.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was like, what do I do with this?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: I imagined was what she felt.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: And not having the tools or resources, it was like just shut it down.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I took that into adulthood as I was too emotional or explosive or whatever.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not like it happened all the time, but when it did, it last it left this lasting imprint.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was able to go back and look at that and go, you know what?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: I understand why she reacted that way.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I have so much compassion for her side of it as well as my own.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I can go back to that child version of me and say, you were doing what you had to do to protect yourself, but you don't have to do it that way anymore.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it's okay that that's the way it was, but we don't have to bring that forward.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: I love that piece of compassion because the stories we tell ourselves can just become so persistent over time and reframing it and applying compassion, I feel like that seems to dissolve a lot of the pain that's attached to those memories.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do you find that as well?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, a hundred percent.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of the compassion that I see when I work with people is actually directed at themselves.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yes, there's compassion that we can extend to the people who were involved, and that can be very healing.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: But it's never forced, right?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I never expect someone to give compassion to someone in their life or forgiveness.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's their personal decision, whether they do that or not.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: But if they can give themselves more compassion, then it becomes easier to give that compassion to others.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was talking to you before we we came on air to record the episode about uh the charts that you can have people do on your website and then you get a free download.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was telling April that it was so meaningful for me because it really does target in on specific areas in your design where you might be experiencing some challenges.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Can you explain that a little bit for the listener?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that report is about the fears that are found in the spleen, the anxieties in the ajna, and the nervousness that shows up in the emotional center.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: And each gate in each one of those centers has a specific thing attached to it.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really about these fears that are holding us back or the anxieties.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so maybe you have this fear of authority.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's fear of authority of other people over you.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's your fear of being in authority in whatever field you're in, or over your children, right?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like it can show up in so many ways.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so we can look at these patterns and then look at our life and say, okay, this is a recurring thing that I keep dealing with.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, it's literally in my chart that this is something that I am working with learning in this lifetime.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that normalizes it, right?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: It makes it like there's nothing wrong with me.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is just a lesson that I have to learn in this lifetime.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: And these people are going to be bringing me this lesson.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I have an opportunity to move and shift and evolve it.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: I love that too.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I love that in the download, it gives you some strategies and advice for how to process and move through it, not just to identify that that's what's happening here.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't want to just leave you with the fear, right?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're already there.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need more of that.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, but what do we do with it?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that's, I think that's the biggest aspect of my my work is like, okay, here's what we have.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now what do we do with it?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: How do we apply it?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: How do we create something new from this rather than just more information?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because human design is a fun party trick, right?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, cool, I got this chart and I'm this and I'm that.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, we start identifying these things.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's less I am this, and it's like, this is the energy I'm here working with and expressing.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like, how can I evolve this?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: How can we, you know, move this and become something different?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: How can we become a higher expression of this?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so those fears are just low expressions of something in the chart that can evolve.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm, I love that.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to it actually.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: I I did, I think that was the 18.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's the the fear of authority.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I'm going to go through the workbook and go through some of the journaling questions that it has because it's so funny that I I will even say people will, you know, people talk about somebody being in charge.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've always like had an issue with people in authority.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: And it's either like being pleasing to them, like doing the things that they really want you to do.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So they see you as being respectful of their authority, or it's being like, I don't want anything to do.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't believe you should be in a position of authority, but like just I'm like, I don't know.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Was I just born this way with this feeling?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, yes, I was.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was it's in my design just to feel that feeling.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I just think it's a really beautiful opportunity to reframe that as well and realize that how many opportunities or moments that authority can be an issue because that it becomes that piece of power and power struggle, and someone having power over somebody else, or you being like in charge of somebody else and having to be in a position of authority.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: And if you've always said, I hate people who are in authority, and then you're an authority person, you're like, oh gosh, I'm the exactly the thing I I always hated and didn't want to be.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: So um, I really like that opportunity to not just have it labeled, but to investigate to figure out what is true for me, and then where is the growing opportunity from there?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that with reparenting, a lot of this work is really contemplative, right?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like the coaching is such a valuable piece of it, but there's so much between coaching sessions that I ask people to contemplate because you're the only one that's lived your life, right?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm spending an hour with you every couple of weeks, but you're living all this life between, and you've lived all this life before.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Only you know what you can bring and we can work with.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so going into some of these journal questions, like you mentioned, help you to kind of remember like, oh, how this shows up in my life, or this has been here before, and oh, this is a recurring theme, and what do I want to do with it?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then we use tools to shift it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: I love bringing it to that point, and I think for me, so much of the work that I do with my nervous system with human design is to just really have more peace in my life, whether it's, you know, literal peace and ease and uh in interactions with other people or just in my own head, you know, letting go of so many of the stories that have been ever present in my mind and being able to heal and move forward from those and just have some peace, some freedom, some ease, and less intensity in life.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that it's like reparenting is great for everybody, right?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: We can apply it to anything.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I really love applying it right now to entrepreneurs because there's so many ways that we get stuck holding ourselves back.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're afraid to be seen, we're afraid to charge what we're worth, we're afraid to uh follow up with people, we're afraid of so many things because of what has happened in our life, what we've been told, what we've believed about ourselves.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like you could buy, you know, 25 different courses to teach you different techniques, but if you're still playing these old patterns, it's never going to shift.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no matter what you do, you take yourself with you wherever you go.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's a perfect quote.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: No matter what you do, you take yourself with you everywhere you go.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: So true.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: So true.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's great because uh, you know, I am connected with a lot of different entrepreneurs, so I can appreciate that.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: How much having those blockages can, you know, prevent you from moving forward.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: And also I wonder those individuals that just seem to do everything with ease and it just happens for them.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder how much of that is that ease in their design and that ability to exist a little bit fearlessly, right?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I think about this one a lot.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I hear a lot of I can't make consistent money, or I I'm afraid to raise my prices because nobody will pay for it.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: And this is coming from people who are charging very, very little, like well beneath what they should be charging.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: And they could go in and they could raise their prices, or they could claim that they were going to charge more, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: But if their nervous system isn't ready to receive that, they will never believe it.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: They will never receive it, they will never get clients.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it comes back to what's the story that you're telling about yourself that's keeping you from letting your nervous system allow you to receive the value of what you are giving to others.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Who told you that it wasn't worth that?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the idea of you know, a college degree is worth something, but a technical college is not.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: We hear that story, we've heard that story played out a lot.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like college degree is more important.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Is it?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Who says?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that one is better than the other.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's just what are you applying it to and what do you need?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we all need plumbers, right?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: But they're probably not gonna go to Harvard.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like you can be so good at what you do no matter what you do.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: But again, if our nervous system isn't regulated, we can never be successful in it.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not in the way we know is our inherent right.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think that is that is huge.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's gonna be huge for so many people, you know, especially if that's that's a piece to it.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree, if you if if there's a disconnect between your nervous system, you know, I think about like all of the the movement towards like money affirmations, like I, you know, screaming and shouting, all of these things.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: But if like no matter how loud you scream or shout, your nervous system is still like not true, not gonna happen.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, affirmations, affirmations can be great, right?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but we have to believe them.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: We have to be able to receive what we're asking for.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we have such a hard time as a human to receive.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: So many of us have such a hard time receiving, especially I find in these like heart-centered professions, people who are really caring and giving have such a hard time receiving.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: Where does that come from?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: Why are we so wired to feel like it's icky, it's bad, that we should just be giving?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but I I track this back and I'm like, look at this generation and this generation and this generation.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like somewhere in the 50s, there was this movement of like women should be beautiful and they should be thin and they should be all serving of other people and they shouldn't want anything for themselves.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like there was this big marketing push around that time, and it's very odd.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, who came up with this?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then it just became this perpetuated thing that has ingrained within us, and I'm sure it came before that, right?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there was so much before that.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I I've just recently found some of these things, and it's like, this is so fascinating, like that we just bought into this.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Women should give everything to their children and their families and and everything.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, we have, you know, the pushback to that where women were like, I'm getting a job and I'm doing all these other things.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it still is this undercurrent that's in the world that's saying, but well, you can have your career, but you also have to take care of the kids and feed them and shop and manage the bills or whatever else it is that you're responsible for.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do all the other things in addition to the job that you want to have.
• 39:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: And this is changing for sure, but that story is still out there.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: And this story has been carried for generations.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have to work on our nervous system and we have to repair it ourselves to shift that within ourselves so that we can change it for our children.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering how much of it, you know, we're talking about like how children today just have so much more information.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering how much of it is, you know, like it was right around the 50s when televisions were in people's homes and information was coming into your home in a different medium than like the newspaper or talking to someone down the street.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like we just we before then wouldn't have had as much information coming at us and a projected image that is so much more, you know.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think about some of those TV shows from the 50s, and you know, the servitude of the mom, and she looks beautiful, and her waist is tiny, and she's wearing a perfect skirt, and her hair is done, and her makeup's done, and she's making dinner, and you know June Cleaver.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for real.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, this is insane.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like, uh, I I can't even imagine that most women in the 50s were experiencing that kind of a positive lifestyle.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like not real.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: It cannot be real.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and then that was probably about the time that we saw um there were there were pills that they called like mother's little helper, right?
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like we saw that kind of emerge around that time as well.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they could do more.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's all pretty twisted.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: If we really go down that rabbit hole, and certainly a lot of it is is based on patriarchy and how that plays out um in big and small ways.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um and still is so deeply rooted.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's like that's the thing, I think what you were mentioning earlier, that like it, it is really sneaky and still very present to feel that way.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still feel that way sometimes.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I've done a lot of work, I've done a lot of courses, I've did the therapy and all the things.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I still feel like sometimes it's my responsibility to make sure everybody knows and has what they're supposed to have for the different activities.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm also working and doing the things that I'm doing, and it is just so super ingrained.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: And even when you're at your best, it's hard to keep up with that and to be, you know, conscious of making changes.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: I find myself caught up in it still every once in a while.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what am I doing?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: What is this?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: How does this?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need to do this.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: We don't.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need to do it.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and my point, I guess, is just that it's a continual process, right?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the more tools you have, the more you catch yourself earlier.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, oh, I don't have to go down this route again.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've been here, didn't like it, not gonna do it again.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I do think that a lot of these areas, the fears, the anxieties, that when we notice those, it can certainly surface in relationships.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that can feed into those cycles and those pieces of us feeling like, well, I'm just gonna do this for everybody because it makes it better for everybody.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe it's like hard for us to say, I need somebody else to help me out here.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, for me, I feel like it started as simple as like, here is the family calendar, the family list of things that need to be accomplished.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not just in my head.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and acknowledging the load and expectation of everybody versus having to be like, it's not okay with me that I'm the one carrying the mental load, because that feels like such a big, heavy conversation to be having and sometimes a necessary one, but a little bit too big and heavy for me in the beginning of my journey to take on.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that mental load is huge.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we underestimate it because it's invisible.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just, it's always playing in the back of our minds.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: But when you we do things like make the family calendar, we have a board that we write everything on every week that's at the top of the stairs, and everybody can see what needs to be done.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I could be a little bit better.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you don't follow through with this, then that thing doesn't happen.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not fully deconditioned there.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that is still something I'm working on.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like we keep taking steps towards it, right?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's progress over perfection.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, absolutely.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: I love that so much.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: So, how can people work with you?
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: And what do you have coming up that you can share with them?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I am I'm working with a program right now that's for entrepreneurs in reparenting.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the first step to that would be to just schedule a free call with me.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I have a call that's called the Human Design Perspective Shift.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And we look at your business and your life and kind of where you want to be and where you are now and and your human design to see, you know, what might be in your way and holding you back.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: And if it feels like a good fit, then I have a program that we can go into.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: But it's really, it's really about being in service to others and like what is it that is supportive for you?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm never gonna push anybody into something that's not right.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's just not who I am.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what I do, and I don't appreciate it when other people do that to me.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it's really just a space for you to kind of see if this is right for you.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have all your information in the show notes for the listener and the viewers on YouTube.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so appreciative of this conversation and I appreciate that we took it in a couple different directions.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it gives us a lot of food for thought.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna encourage everybody to head over to April's website and put in your information if you haven't done your human design.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_02: And even if you have, do it because I think this takes a very different glance at some of the parts in your design and can be really helpful and healing for you.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there is never a bad time to focus on reparenting your inner child, healing, taking some compassion towards yourself, towards your children, towards your parents, and uh just healing the world in general with the work that we do for ourselves.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Anything to add, April?
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was just gonna mention that that report is free.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if you go to my website and run your charts, the report is free.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if reparenting is something that you're interested in, but you're not ready to work with somebody, I have the parenting book, but there's a workbook, and that workbook is really focused on the reparenting part.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it's something you can work through at your own pace.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and definitely the book is one of my favorites.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's one that I like to revisit every once in a while.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so easy to go through, find yourself, your design, the different parts of your design.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I feel like even as I was reading it, April, I was, I can't even remember what part of it I was reading, but I could imagine in my mind moments that played out with me and my parents because of my design and realizing, and then in that moment, being like, okay, so that's really that's really what happened.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: There was nothing wrong with me.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't do anything, it was just my design playing out.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: So, so many opportunities for healing.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: I want to thank you for being here.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: I want to thank you for your brilliance and wisdom.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, come back anytime.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to have more conversations with you.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're an entrepreneur, especially, take advantage of April's offerings.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: You will not be disappointed.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, everybody.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for being here, and we'll see you next time on the podcast.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: Bye for now.