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Pastors' Perspective-10/22/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez.
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  Speaker 1: It is Thursday, and we are here live in the
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  Speaker 1: the Christian faith, just about anything that's on your mind.
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  Speaker 1: most weekdays because
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  Speaker 1: Like we're normally not here on holidays and certain other days,
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  Speaker 1: but normally just the holidays. Otherwise, we are here to
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  Speaker 1: answer the questions that you guys have. And to answer
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  Speaker 1: those questions today, we've got Brian Broderson, the pastor Emeritus
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  Speaker 1: of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, and Phil Metzger, the senior
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  Speaker 1: pastor of Calvary Chapel San Diego. What's up guys? Good
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  Speaker 1: to have you here. Going on? Good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you guys. Brian, you're looking, um, not
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  Speaker 1: healthy yet.
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  Speaker 1: Feel sick. Yes, I just, you know, you know how
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  Speaker 1: it is, you, you kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Go to bed and think, OK, tomorrow I'm gonna wake
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  Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna be ready to go. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that just has not happened yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, boomer, it's a bit of a, it's a, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit hard. I had that same thing, dude, and
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  Speaker 1: it was like 2 weeks of, yeah, I remember when
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  Speaker 1: you were sick a few weeks ago, 2 weeks, just
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  Speaker 1: like you and you keep one day you're like, I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be OK, and then you're like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not OK. Yeah, and, and you know
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  Speaker 1: how it is. I mean, it hasn't been the best
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  Speaker 1: kind of sleeping experience, you know, so you're kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Sore throat, you're coughing, you're, you know, you just can't,
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  Speaker 1: can't get any rest, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a little crazy. We had a, we
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  Speaker 1: had a sad occurrence in the family today, um.
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  Speaker 1: One of my daughter's cats was hit by a car
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  Speaker 1: and killed. No mittens. Such a great cat. Um, sweet,
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  Speaker 1: a really good hunter too, boy, she could.
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  Speaker 1: And she'd get the rats, the mice, the lizards, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she'd get everything.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah it's been a little bit of uh lamenting
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  Speaker 1: I think a lizard was behind the wheel and uh
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  Speaker 1: that's that's who did mittens in I bet you it
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  Speaker 1: could have been you know yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know they're all after mittens because of the,
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  Speaker 1: the great work that mittens does. What, how sad though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is sad, you know, when, when pets die, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's sad and um.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: It's hard.
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call us today. You can
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  Speaker 1: also send in your questions on Facebook, YouTube, no, not YouTube, Facebook, Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: and Kwave.com, but we prefer to speak with you. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're available to call in, please do. 888-564-6173. You know, I,
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  Speaker 1: I heard a podcast somewhere was mentioned, um.
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  Speaker 1: And it just reminded me that um the CGN podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the newest episode, is that Mark Foreman, Phil, is that
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  Speaker 1: what it is? It's Mark Foreman. It's the this is
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  Speaker 1: the last one from the teaching that he just put out.
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  Speaker 1: What a great one. Yeah, we had a conference back
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  Speaker 1: in June and, uh, I think the, the different teachings
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  Speaker 1: have been being aired, uh, each week on the CGM podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But man, Mark's was just such a great.
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  Speaker 1: I remember just, just thinking like, wow, this is so good. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so thankful for him and the wisdom of,
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  Speaker 1: of so many years of pastoral ministry, you know, thinking
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  Speaker 1: that he, he came to Calvary when he's like 16
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  Speaker 1: or 17 years old and, uh, you know, his dad,
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  Speaker 1: who ended up being a good friend of Pastor Chuck
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  Speaker 1: and a board member, uh, Hugh Foreman, uh, his dad,
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  Speaker 1: first thing he asked Chuck was like, something like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, are, are you guys a cult? Are you, are
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  Speaker 1: you feeding the kids drugs, you know, in the communion
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  Speaker 1: or something like that?
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, it's wild times back then, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, such a good teaching, yeah, and it was,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, it was just so sweet too, and you
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  Speaker 1: just go, man, this guy is a real gift to
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  Speaker 1: the church and to people, and, uh, so, so good
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  Speaker 1: to have him. He does a lot for us in
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  Speaker 1: San Diego, is a real, you know, a real great
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  Speaker 1: gift to all of our churches in San Diego. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, um, you know, for the podcast, it's, um.
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  Speaker 1: Just the CGN podcast is available on your favorite, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's Apple or um Spotify or whatever, you can, you
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  Speaker 1: can pick it up there. So, check it out.
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  Speaker 1: It's so good and they and there's some great new
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  Speaker 1: ones coming out starting in January and um Daniel's been
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  Speaker 1: working on some new stuff. It's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you don't have a favorite podcast place cause
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  Speaker 1: you don't do podcasts, like me, I'm probably the only
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  Speaker 1: person in the whole world, you can go to CGNMedia.org
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  Speaker 1: and uh look for it there. The uh latest episode,
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  Speaker 1: season 6, episode 16 with Mark Foreman. You can find
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  Speaker 1: it there on CGNMedia.org. Cool, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173. Let's go right to the phones. Michael and oh,
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  Speaker 1: forgot to push the button. OK.
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  Speaker 1: Michael, hi. Welcome to Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Greetings. How are you two doing? Well, there's 3 of
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  Speaker 1: us actually, but hello. 3 of us, OK. Plus you. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I was going through a revelation and
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  Speaker 1: I came across, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Few verses, I wanted some clearance or, uh, something on it. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Revelation 17:14 says, Lord of Lords and King of kings,
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  Speaker 1: and you go to 1916, and it is King of
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  Speaker 1: Kings and Lord of Lords. Is there any significance to
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  Speaker 1: the wording?
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  Speaker 1: So 17144 says Lord of Lords, King of Kings, and
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  Speaker 1: then a couple of chapters later, King of Kings and
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  Speaker 1: Lord of Lords. Uh, no, I, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: any significance to the reversal. I mean, it essentially is
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  Speaker 1: saying the same thing, so I think that it's just
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  Speaker 1: You know, just
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  Speaker 1: Putting one in front of the other on one occasion
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  Speaker 1: and the other in front. I mean, you know, Lord is,
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  Speaker 1: is the curios. It's the, you know, it's the.
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  Speaker 1: Um, kind of the New Testament title for God and
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  Speaker 1: then King of Kings, of course, um.
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  Speaker 1: You know Jesus is the king over all the kings
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  Speaker 1: of the earth, so.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Michael?
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  Speaker 1: Which one do you think the proper one would be?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't think either one, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: a proper versus an improper. I mean, I think for
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  Speaker 1: me personally, rolling off the tongue, King of Kings and
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  Speaker 1: Lord of Lords rolls off a little bit. Is it
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  Speaker 1: because of that song we used to sing? It definitely
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  Speaker 1: is the song. I was about to say that it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely the, the song King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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  Speaker 1: Glory Hallelujah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, so for me
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  Speaker 1: that's just like I said, it just rolls off the
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  Speaker 1: tongue better, but, um, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's, it's, it says both, so it's not,
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  Speaker 1: there's not one that's better than the other. Yeah, Phil,
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  Speaker 1: any thoughts? No, no, it's, yeah, I agree. All right, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your phone call today here on Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening there in Cyprus on Kwave. 888-564-6173 is
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  Speaker 1: the number. Now we'll talk to Tanya in Loma Linda. Hello, Tanya,
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  Speaker 1: how can we help you?
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  Speaker 1: Hi, good afternoon, pastors. Um, first of all, I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to just say, um, I'm so sorry to hear about your,
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  Speaker 1: your family's cat. Um, was it Pastor Brian? What was it? Yes, yes. OK, I,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to hear about that. Um, it is
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  Speaker 1: very painful to lose, um, to lose a pet. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's their family members as well, so I, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: sorry to hear about that, especially the way that you
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  Speaker 1: guys lost me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. OK, no, I'm so sorry, but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call today. Um, I was
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  Speaker 1: calling because I have a question in hopes that I
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  Speaker 1: could get some guidance on the voting, um.
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  Speaker 1: Voting in general. Um, this is, of course, this is
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  Speaker 1: not my first time voting, but I, um, as the
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  Speaker 1: years go by, I am becoming more and more conscientious
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  Speaker 1: of the way that I vote, um, which we all should,
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  Speaker 1: especially as believers, but this time around, I want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that I am making the right decisions in
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  Speaker 1: my voting. Um, and I know, yes, we are to
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  Speaker 1: vote the Bible, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Really, what does that mean with all of the different
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  Speaker 1: propositions and the measures and just with everything? How do
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  Speaker 1: we as believers vote responsibly? Yeah, Phil Metzger, what do
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  Speaker 1: you tell Tanya?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tanya, it's a great question. It's coming up quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit. I'm surprised actually we haven't fielded more of these.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you guys have on other days and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: missing it, but
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  Speaker 1: Um, you know, you ask like 10 pastors their thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on this, you'll get like 14 answers. So just so
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, just because, you know, we all have a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like we, we're all aware of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that voting didn't exist in the Bible days, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they were, they lived under Caesar, at least
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  Speaker 1: in the New Testament, under Pharaoh, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the Old Testament.
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  Speaker 1: Um, the, the, the nice, uh, the interesting thing about
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  Speaker 1: this current election, right, we're in an off, like it's
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  Speaker 1: not a presidential, it's not as, like it's, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of more local and statewide and citywide and region-wide, and
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  Speaker 1: that gives you an opportunity, um, to, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: look at everything that's out there, you look at what's relevant. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me start with this, you really gotta tune out
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  Speaker 1: all the national, um,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, events that have nothing to do with you. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not voting for who's gonna win in Michigan. I
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  Speaker 1: have nothing to do with that. I live in San Diego, California,
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  Speaker 1: so I wanna center myself not in the social media world,
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  Speaker 1: but looking at the ballots, reading over what's being put
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  Speaker 1: out there, and, um, what is voting like Christian mean?
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  Speaker 1: It means like, you know, there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that are gonna tell you what that means, right? We
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  Speaker 1: usually center around a few things, but there's so much
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  Speaker 1: that you gotta consider.
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  Speaker 1: I really think if you, you know, if you, if
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  Speaker 1: you love the Lord, you ask the Lord for wisdom,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the issues, and you vote. And then
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  Speaker 1: you remember you're doing that more as an American than
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  Speaker 1: you are as a Christian. I know everybody's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: mad at me for saying that, but like, these are
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  Speaker 1: American things. Who's the mayor of my city is more
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  Speaker 1: American than it is Christian? And I, I know we
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  Speaker 1: wanna believe it could be more Christian, but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Neither one of them are the Christian vote. They're the
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  Speaker 1: American choices I have in San Diego. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick somebody who I think would do a
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  Speaker 1: good job representing our people down here, and, um, and
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  Speaker 1: then I'll sleep just fine at night. So, look at
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  Speaker 1: the ballots, look at the, um, you know, look, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you wanna pay more in taxes for that thing?
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  Speaker 1: Do you not wanna pay more taxes? These aren't like
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  Speaker 1: always Christian, sometimes it's just American. You just gotta pick it,
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  Speaker 1: have a good conscience before God and vote.
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  Speaker 1: Now I don't live in San Diego either, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who's running for mayor, but if one of
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  Speaker 1: the people running for mayor was a Christian or claimed
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  Speaker 1: to be a Christian, would that be an automatic yes
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  Speaker 1: vote for that person? I would say no. And actually
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  Speaker 1: in my area, one of the guys is a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: and we know him quite well.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, that, that shouldn't just be right
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  Speaker 1: away because, you know, you, you don't, what if I
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  Speaker 1: don't know him and he's just saying he's Christian, you
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  Speaker 1: still gotta look at people, you know, if you're able
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  Speaker 1: to take the time, you look at the two people running,
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  Speaker 1: maybe one's not a Christian, but they're gonna be very
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  Speaker 1: good for the community, because guess what, Christian value is
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  Speaker 1: not on the ballot for mayor in my area, that's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's, he's gonna decide if a park gets built or not.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna decide, you know, he, he's not deciding the
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  Speaker 1: moral values of our community. He is deciding how we
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  Speaker 1: spend our money and um our tax money and the
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  Speaker 1: civic issues. So, it's a really convoluted thing, boy, it's
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  Speaker 1: real tough. I, I'm, I'm sorry for American Christians. This
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  Speaker 1: is a tough thing because you wanna vote right, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not always that simple as right and wrong.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Tanya?
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  Speaker 1: I say amen to that. Um, that, that gives me
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  Speaker 1: a lot more clarification. Um, I have always thought that, OK, well,
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  Speaker 1: if they're a Christian, then I should automatically vote that way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, that has always been, um, what has
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  Speaker 1: leaned me to the right or to the left, and, um,
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying makes a whole lot of sense, and, um.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I, I, I thank you for that. I,
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of clarification from that answer.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Can we just keep Tanya on for the whole show, guys?
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  Speaker 1: That just, you know, just made me feel so good.
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  Speaker 1: I just need her around my life now. Yes, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's a blessing because you're gonna get a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hate after that answer. So Tanya's given you, I'm waiting
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  Speaker 1: for it, and just tell those haters, hey, Tanya liked
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  Speaker 1: my answer. That's all that matters. And it was her question.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't know, and I'm gonna say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when they hate, I'm gonna say you can reach out
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  Speaker 1: to me at echoesofmercy.com and uh.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now come on, um.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it, I, I just wanted to add a couple
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  Speaker 1: of thoughts to it. But I think Phil's was a
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  Speaker 1: great answer. And I'm glad, uh, Tanya was happy with it. Um, I,
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  Speaker 1: I do think, you know, we do live in a
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  Speaker 1: very activist time. And I think, um, what I would
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  Speaker 1: be careful of, and especially, you know, depending on, you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's measures, of course, and then there are
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  Speaker 1: people that are, you know, running for various offices. And
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: If you get an activist kind of a person in there, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, say it's a mayor or something like that, you,
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  Speaker 1: you could invite some trouble into your city. So, I
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  Speaker 1: would say you want to be wise on, on when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to that, you know, what is their agenda?
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  Speaker 1: What are they really all about?
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  Speaker 1: Um, and, and, you know, there's a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: out there today, so, um.
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  Speaker 1: But
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, there is no, you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: original question Tanya had was, how do you vote the
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  Speaker 1: Bible or how do you vote biblically? And, and like
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  Speaker 1: you said, Phil, I mean, there's no,
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  Speaker 1: You know, in the context of the Bible, there was
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  Speaker 1: not a democratic thing where you voted for anything. It was, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, under empires and so forth. So, um, so
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're biblically informed.
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  Speaker 1: As a Christian, and then you go with um what is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what you've uh taken in from the word
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  Speaker 1: of God as, you know, right and wrong and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. But, you know, like you said, Phil, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll I'll jump in it with you. Um, I know
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  Speaker 1: of a situation where there is a Christian on a
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  Speaker 1: particular ballot running against a non-Christian and, um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the non-Christian is probably a great idea, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think the Christian is any better of an idea. So.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, sometimes you're between a rock and a
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  Speaker 1: hard place. And uh, but like you said, just because
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  Speaker 1: a person's, and you know, how many times have we
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  Speaker 1: heard that a person is a Christian and then they
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  Speaker 1: get voted in and then they say and do stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I thought I thought that person was
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  Speaker 1: a Christian. Um, or because they're a Christian, you think, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: You know, they shouldn't do that because a Christian wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: do that. But you forget that, uh, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: person has been elected to represent all of the people,
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  Speaker 1: not just a, you know, a group of people, a
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  Speaker 1: small group of people, which would be the believers. So
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  Speaker 1: there does have to be within the political sphere, there
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  Speaker 1: has to be the recognition that
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  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes politicians are going to do things that
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  Speaker 1: you as a Christian don't like. Uh, but they might
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  Speaker 1: do other things that you as a Christian do like. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think common sense governing is really a
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  Speaker 1: good
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  Speaker 1: Um, you know, a way to think about it is, is,
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  Speaker 1: are their ideas crazy or do they make sense?
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me. Tanya, thank you for your phone call today
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: on Pastor's Perspective. Now we'll talk to Danny in Riverside.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Who called 888-564-6173. What's your question, Danny?
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, so my question is, uh, Muslims are saying that, uh,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Muhammad is in the Hebrew Bible. What can you tell
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: me about that?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Is Muhammad in the Christian Bible? or do they give
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  Speaker 1: you references or anything? What are they saying? They said
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he was in the Hebrew Bible. Um, um, well, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: think it had to do with, um, like, um, like
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  Speaker 1: when Jesus said that they're sending, uh, like we believe
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit is coming, right? He said, cause he
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: says so, but they got Muhammad in there somehow, you know. Mhm.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, some Muslims would say that, um, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the references to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: The Picletus, the, you know, Jesus says, I'm gonna send
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you another comforter or helper, um, and of course he's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: referring to the Holy Spirit, but some, some Muslim apologists
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, that's a, that's talking about Muhammad. Um, well,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it's clearly not because Jesus tells you who he's talking about. He's,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he says, I'm gonna send you another comforter, the Holy
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Spirit who will be with you. Uh, so he defines
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  Speaker 1: for us who he's sending.
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  Speaker 1: And, uh, Muhammad is not in the scriptures anywhere other
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: than under the category of false prophets because that's what
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: he is. Um, you know, the New Testament makes it
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: clear that Jesus is, uh, the ultimate fulfillment of all
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: prophecy and anyone, you know, coming after him that would
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: contradict him would not be a true prophet, but would by,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you know, just very definition be a false prophet.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Danny?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cause um I saw that they were, that they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: even say that uh that he's gonna intercede for us.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Jesus. Muhammad is gonna be the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: one that's gonna intercede for us with God. And I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: went like, what?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, again, you know, this is.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff, of course, is just, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: made up to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Accommodate uh certain people and ideas and and so forth. So,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: That's why it's good to know your Bible because you
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: can just say, wait, no, I, that's not the case.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Phil, did you have anything to add?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: All right, well, good stuff. Well, Danny, thanks for calling
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: us at 888-564-6173. You know, I am, um, almost finished
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: with a book that I was super excited about, um.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Uh, it, it being released, it's by, um.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: A, a man named Simon Sebag Montefiore, and he's a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: great historian. I've read a number of his books, but he,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: he wrote a book recently called The Cauldron, and it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a history of the Middle East, uh, from about 1900, uh,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: up to today.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And it is so absolutely fascinating. And I was telling
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Cheryl today, I said, you know, it's interesting, really, well, you,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you look at Islam and Islam is hard
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to pin down in a lot of ways because there's
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: so many variations of it. And throughout much of the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: history of the Middle East, you know, Islam is almost
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: used by these various leaders as it's a tool for power. Uh,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: they don't necessarily abide by it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: They probably don't even really truly believe in it except
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they believe in the parts that give them the ability
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to control people. And so it's pretty fascinating to see
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: these different kingdoms, you know, the Hashemite kingdom and the,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the kingdoms of Iraq and, um, Egypt and, you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it's just, wow, it's really, it's, it's eye opening because
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it makes you realize that that part of the world
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: has been a cauldron.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Not just since 1948, but of course 1948, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: ratcheted it up when Israel became a nation. But even
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: before and and even since among the, the, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the non, the Arabic nations, they're not all Arabic, but
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the I guess the Muslim nations, um, all kinds of
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: division and hostility and wars and things so.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty fascinating read. I, I always find that history helps
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: kind of balance out the moment, you know, because we
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: tend to look at a moment and we think this
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: is a moment like no other moment. This is chaos
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: like there's never been chaos, and then you realize, oh no,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this has happened over and over again. So anyway, The
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Cauldron by Simon Sebag Montefiore. That's the book you're talking about.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not an easy read, so I'm not
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: necessarily 500 pages. That's his name should set you off.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: You should know right away. Just trying to say the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: guy's name is hard. And, and you know, he's a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: descendant of Moses Montefiore, who was one of the early, uh, pioneers, um,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in the 1800s of, you know, he was a, he
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: was a, um.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: A wealthy, uh, man who was financing a Jewish return to, uh,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to the land back in the 1800s. 0, that Moses. OK,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about now. Oh, how fun
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, yeah, it's good. And, you know, he
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: wrote the book, uh, Jerusalem, uh, uh, A History, which
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: is my, my favorite book on the subject. He did
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: such a great job with it, yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Very good. 888-564-6173. Here's a question that was submitted online
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: through the pastor's perspective Facebook Messenger comes to us from
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Christy in Somerville, South Carolina. She wants to know who is, yeah, Somerville, Somerville.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You familiar with that? Is that where that's, that's, that's where, that's, yes,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I just knew it was South Carolina. I forgot what, uh,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what city it was. OK, so do you know Christy?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, no, I was gonna say not, not yet, not yet,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: not yet. So yeah, you go to the supermarket or
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: something and say, are you Christy? But, uh, she wants
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to know who is the prince in the final chapters
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of Ezekiel.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Who is the prince in the final chapters of Ezekiel, um.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: There's not certainty on who it is. Um, it's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Davidic prince, some.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Some see it's interesting. I mean, some people actually see
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it as David himself who, you know, in his resurrected
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: state that he is the prince. Um, some would see
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: it as Jesus, the Messiah, but then the, the problem
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: is there that the Lord Himself is sitting on the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: throne in the temple, which I think that's clearly the who,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: who Jesus would be.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: There, so it's not certain. I, I don't know, Phil,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you know, Doctor, Doctor, Doctor, Doctor Phil, same answer. Um,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I definitely can't be the Messiah, but in terms of, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is it a resurrected David or who is it? Don't know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. Interesting though, for sure. Yeah, I mean, it
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: seems like it's a, you know, whoever it is, it's a,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a connection with the house of David.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Kirsty, thanks for sending in your question, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: here's one that was submitted by Robert in Duarte about
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Revelation 2:9, which reads, those who say they are Jews
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: but are not, they are a synagogue of Satan. So
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Robert asks, what does Jesus mean by calling them a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: synagogue of Satan?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's like metaphor, not, it's, yeah, it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: metaphor here. The synagogue of Satan, they are, um, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: know your works. I'm just reading the verse here. You
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are rich. I know the blasphemy of those who say
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue
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  Speaker 1: of Satan, so he's just using that to say that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it's demonic. It's a, it's like a metaphor for saying
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: something is.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: These people are demonic
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: That's the, that's the phrasing.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that was easy, Robert. Thank you for sending
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  Speaker 1: in that question. Let's see what time is it. OK,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: we got a little bit of time for the break.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a couple of questions sent in from
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Archie in Roanoke, Virginia. Uh, first one is, uh, about
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a doctrine called the serpent seed doctrine, where the original
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: sin was actually a literal sexual interaction between Eve and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the serpent that created an evil bloodline.
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  Speaker 1: I met somebody that was just so passionate about it
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  Speaker 1: and made it sound almost legit. I definitely don't believe
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  Speaker 1: it to be true, but just wondering if you could
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  Speaker 1: speak on any insight and facts you might have about
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  Speaker 1: the serpent seed doctrine.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Well, all we know about Eve and the serpent is
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: told to us in Genesis chapter 3.
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  Speaker 1: So anything
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  Speaker 1: That's not there
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  Speaker 1: Uh
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: is, is not real. So, I, I, and it's clearly
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  Speaker 1: in the Genesis account. I mean, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: There's no sex involved, you know, that's clear. I mean,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's always been a a a sort
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of a perverted.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Thing around um.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You know, Eve and the fall and, you know, the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: idea of sex and all of that, which is, there's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: just absolutely nothing in the biblical text to support that. So,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: so anything like that, you just have to say no,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it's just if you, if you take the scripture as
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the authority, then what the scripture says happened is what
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: happened and all of these other myths and things that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: have grown up over the years and theories and ideas
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and that are, that are proliferated through the, uh, internet.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Um, no, and, and it's, it's sad that somebody could
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: be so passionate about something that's so wrong as to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be persuasive, you know, hey, let me convert you to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: my new faith that even the serpent had sex. Wow,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: that's amazing. Let's follow that. What, what, you know, what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: kind of craziness is that? So, Phil, got about a minute.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna talk about how I believe, no,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, uh, yeah, and I love what you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: said there, Brian. I was thinking the same. I was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: thinking it, but then the way you expressed it was
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: very good that if, if we take the Bible as authoritative, right,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to. Like if you don't
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: take the Bible as authoritative, then you can just make
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  Speaker 1: up all the stories you want. And let's be honest,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The idea of the, of the serpent and Eve having sex,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's like vampires and dragons and myths and,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you can just make up whatever you want.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But for those of us who take the Bible seriously
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and literally, then you're, you're kind of restrained to what
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it says, and that's just the most utterly foolish stuff
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: out there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Silliness, total silliness. Yes, indeed. All right, we're almost up
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  Speaker 1: to the break. Let me read Archie's second question and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: then we'll answer it when we return. And we also
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: want to talk to Margie, so Margie, don't hang up.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But Archie's other question is, um, I got into a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: discussion with my new co-worker who was raised as a Mormon,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and even though she's not practicing, she still claims it was.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I was looking up scripture to try to justify their
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: belief of having multiple wives, apparently even juvenile wives, but
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that's another topic. So just wondering if you can speak
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to the key differences of Mormonism and Christianity, where they
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: stand with the Bible, any scriptures that can clarify design
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and intention for marriage between one man.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And one wife. I did show her Genesis 2:24 about
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: leaving the parents to cling to the wife, but didn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: have time to really get deeper and don't know how
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: much I could have anyway with my limited knowledge. So
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I said, um, I don't know, but I do know
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: some guys who do. That would be us, I guess.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: On pastor's perspective. So, we'll answer that question when we return.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call us with your questions.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You've got about a half hour to call in and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: speak with pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger, 888-564-6173.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: This is Pastor's perspective. 888-564-6173 is the number to call.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Still time for you to call in, and, uh, Margie,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be our next call, but first we want
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to finish up Archie. His basic question is, what are
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the key differences between Mormonism and Christianity? So Phil, how
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: would you answer that?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Um, the differences, I mean, like, probably the most important
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: are theological differences. So we are, a, um, Christianity and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Mormonism are not the same. That is, it, the Mormon
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: religion is not a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: You know, it derives some of its sourcing from Christianity
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in the Bible, but it's not Christian.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Um, Mormonism holds to different scripture.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Uh, theologically they have different views of Jesus, they have
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: different views of Satan, they have different views of God,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: they have different views about marriage, they have different views about, um, eternity. So,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, on so many levels, you know, even the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: point that they're bringing up about, you know, multiple wives.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That was, that's a, that was a Mormon doctrine, uh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: that I think was since changed because the American government
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't allow that. Again, uh, the other thing that people
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: maybe need to be reminded of that Mormonism is very
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: American centric, which is blows my mind how it's made
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it around the world, but it's the teaching that that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that Jesus came to Joseph Smith in the Americas and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: brought him further revelation.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And of course, of course, right, when man-made religion is involved,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: as Brian said in the earlier question, um, freedom of,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you know, sexual relations seems to always follow where, where that,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you know, where you make up religion. So you can
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: have multiple wives and yep, the idea of, um, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: we see this in Islam and we see in Mormonism
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of women or wives that were underage, polygamy and so on, um,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: this is.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe disputed or maybe they've um rejected that today, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that was a part of Mormon doctrine. So, on every level,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the um Mormon religion is different from Christianity.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Anything to add, Brian?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Um, no, I mean, that was great. That's, that's covers
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all of it. Uh, the only thing I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: was gonna say though is it's really interesting and um
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: others have noted this, as particularly people who, you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: are deeply involved in apologetics regarding Islam and um and Mormonism. They,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: they recognize the incredible similarities between
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Um, Islam and Mormonism, you know, all the way back
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to the supposed revelation of Muhammad, you know, in the cave,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and then Joseph Smith with the tablets and, um, obviously
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the end, you know, doctrines become different, but they're just
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: such an interesting parallel between the two.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Archie, thanks for sending in your questions through the pastor's
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: perspective Facebook page using Messenger. Now we'll go back to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the phones, 888-564-6173. Here's Margie in Riverside. Hey, Margie, what
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: did you want to ask Brian and Phil?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Hi, wondering, um, I have a friend that witnesses well
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to friends or people in general. I want to witness,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: but I'm afraid to get questions I can't answer. So
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: what other ways can you witness to people, win souls
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: for Christ?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Without, cause again, you're saying that you're afraid that you're
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: gonna get a question that you don't know how to answer.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I, I, my simple question is, I want to win
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: souls for Christ, but I don't know how to do it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Other than, uh, you know, like you said, did you
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: know that the word says da da da da, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do all that. So how,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: what other way can I win souls for Christ? So
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like without necessarily using the Bible, is that what you mean?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not good at remembering verses and so forth
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and that type of thing, and some of them want to, uh,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: debate on like what about this or what about that,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and I know those answers off the top of my head.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, uh, you, you do need to get
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a few.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Verses under your belt, you know, you could, you could
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: commit a few verses to memory. Um, and, and that
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: would be helpful because, you know, when you're sharing the gospel,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you want to be sharing the truth about what God
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: has said.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So it's not just your opinion about things and when
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you can bring a scripture to bear, um, that gives
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you the support that you can back up what you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: saying because, well, you know, actually the Bible says this. So,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: so there's a few passages that you, you will need
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to kind of work on just committing yourself.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: At least to a general, um, you know, like John 3:16,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: for God so loved the world that He gave His
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: one and only Son, whoever believes in Him, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: something like that where you don't have to say exactly
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: word for word, but just the idea that, you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: God gave His Son, um, because he loved the world and, um,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: whoever believes in His Son is not going to perish
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but have have everlasting life. But I, I think.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: You know, in so many cases like I.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I love the story of the blind man in John
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: chapter 9 who was healed and he doesn't know anything.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know, you know, he, he was blind his
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: whole life. He was born blind and now he can
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: see and that's his testimony. This is what I know.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I was blind and now I see and a guy
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: named Jesus is the one who did this for me.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And, you know, they wanted to grill him with all
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: kinds of questions and they wanted to know, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: where he got his theology and all of that. And he,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know, he just said, look, this is, this is
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: my story. I'm just telling you my story. And so
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I think that that is, I think it's always good to,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to have our story as a way of sharing because
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it's something that you've experienced. God, God has done this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: in your life. And so you're talking to somebody.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And, and it's not like rehearsed, like, hey, wait, let
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: me pull out these four verses and read them to you. Uh.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: But it's more natural, you know, you're just telling the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: story about what God's done in your life and then
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you let them.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Respond
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And if they respond with questions you don't know, you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: just say, I'm not sure about that, uh, but I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: can find out. So Phil, what do you think? You
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: can also give them our phone number 888-564-6173. We'll answer
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: their questions. Phil, there you go. Yeah, no, I love
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that answer. I think, I think too many of us
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: have grown in the, like, um, we've seen like too
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: much of the, like, you know, the pastor or the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: evangelist up there kind of in a monologue.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And that's, that's mass evangelism, but like personal relational evangelism
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is com it's like conversation, it's relationship, um, you know, um,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, Brian. You can't really, we can't,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to share our faith with, especially for
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: our caller, if you're wanting to like grow and sharing
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: your faith, then you should absolutely commit yourself to growing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in the word of God. Like you, those two things
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: are gonna go hand in hand.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, don't worry about that, just tell
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: your testimony. As Brian said, like the word is gonna
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: be so critical, you know, because questions that always come
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: up for all of us that ever talked to people
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: about Jesus, Questions that come up a lot are not,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it's not always like some deep, difficult, apologetic question.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Some difficult, you know, thing about the Bible, it's more like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: where does the, where do I have the right to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: tell somebody that they need Jesus? Where does that even
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: come from? Is that my personal opinion, or is it
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: rooted in the scriptures? And so we want to be
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: able to, we want to be able to pull from
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the scriptures.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that like if you really have a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: heart to want to grow and becoming a better like evangelist,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: then learn to listen to people really well, learn to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: listen to where they're really at, and, um, and then
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: everything that Brian said there was just great. I, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: couldn't agree more.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Does that uh help you, Margie?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, and what another thing that just gave me an
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: idea is to carry my Bible and then I ask
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: them what is the situation that they're feeling or have
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: an issue with, and I'll pull it up under the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: thing where they say anxiety, depression, or loneliness, and I'll
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: pull up the scripture and then share that with them. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: That is a really good idea. Yeah, I appreciate you guys. Well,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: thank you. We appreciate you. Thanks for calling, Margie.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173. Let's talk to Blair in Corona. Got a question
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: about Catholicism. Go ahead, Blair. Thanks for calling.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Uh, no, thank you. I was in a conversation with
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine, and he asked, why do Catholics
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: baptize babies if in fact we are all judged on
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: our own, uh, works or sins, things of that nature.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Why would you baptize a child? And my response, of course,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: is original sin, but again, his response is, but we're
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: only judged on our own.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So why would you still baptize a baby? I did
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: not have a good answer for that. I'm hoping you do. Well,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian was baptized as a baby, weren't you? A toddler,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a toddler. Oh, OK. I wasn't baptized as a baby,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: but yeah, a toddler, 2 years old, maybe. Um, yeah, well,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: just for clarification, Catholics aren't the only, uh, Christians who
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: believe in what we call infant baptism.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans, they also perform infant baptism, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: they have different ideas about, you know, what they're doing
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: with it. Of course, within Roman Catholicism, the idea is
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that you are literally, you know, this is how you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: become a Christian. You are being baptized and you're washing
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: away your original sin, and that's what's happening in your baptism, uh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: with the Protestant churches that do.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Um, baptize infants, they would see it a little bit differently,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: not necessarily as a, a conversion moment or a moment
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: where your, your original sin is being washed away, but
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: more as a sort of a dedication of, of this
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: new little life, you know, to God.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Um
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But the, the Bible.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I think teaches us that baptism is, I think an
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: easy way to understand it is um what baptism is,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: it's believers baptism. So in other words, you have to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: be able to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Understand the gospel to a certain extent and put your
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: faith in it and then your baptism is really, it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: like your public expression of your new identity in Jesus.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, obviously an infant or a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: toddler doesn't have the capacity to really know and understand
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the gospel truth and to respond to it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So, therefore, the baptism of of an infant, I, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: think is, um, I, I wouldn't say it's wrong in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the sense like, oh, it's horrible if you were baptized,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but I, I would say that it's not really biblically accurate, uh,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Blair?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I, I completely agree. I think it is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: an outwardly expression of my faith and belief in Jesus
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: as my Lord and Savior, and I believe exactly what
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: was said, that it's not wrong, but that it isn't biblical.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything in my research, not although it
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: was done very limited and very quickly while I was
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: talking to him. I had no answer other than I don't.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Remember reading that in the Bible, right.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great. No, thank you very much. Well, thank you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: very much for calling us today at 888-564-6173.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: And, and you know, the churches I mentioned, the Anglican
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and the, um, the Lutheran and the Presbyterian, you know, all,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: all of these churches go, they date back to the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Reformation period and the Reformation, of course, is the time
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: where there was a, a breakaway from Roman Catholicism, but
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: they retained, um, some of the practices of the church
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: were retained by the Protestants and, and one of them
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: was the infant baptism.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: All right, here's another question that was submitted online. This
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: one is from Chris who sent this in through the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: pastor's perspective Facebook page using messenger. And, uh, it's a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: question we kind of get all the time, but we
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: get new listeners all the time too, so somebody might
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: be hearing this for the first time. When we die,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: do we go to in, in, uh, start over. When
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we die, do we go into a deep sleep or
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: do we go directly to heaven? Phil Metzger.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bible tells us that once we're no longer here,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: we are in the presence of God. And so as
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a believer, we, we come into the presence of God.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: There's no deep sleep, uh.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Descriptions in the Bible.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Um, there is a, there is this life, and then
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: there is the, the next life to come. And so, nothing,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: there's no gap in between those things. So, it's a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: great question, you know, um.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And um just the encouragement to people, you know, this
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: is why we always hear this in churches all around
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the world, that like, we have this one life to live,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we need to make that really count, and then, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: then one day when we're no longer in this life,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: we're gonna hear the Lord, hopefully as we put our
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: faith in Christ, we're gonna hear the Lord say, well done,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of your Lord.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Now, why is there even dispute about that? Why do
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: people think that maybe we do go into a deep sleep?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Some of that's a theological perspective. I mean, I think
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: when you consider the Catholic, the Roman Catholic faith, and the, the,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the view of a purgatory, and then so from there,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: there's other groups, and there might be some, I don't know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I, there's no, I can't think
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of any Protestant groups, Brian, do you know of any
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that believe that?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, well, deep sleep, um,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: The Seventh Day Adventists, I mean, you know, they're kind
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of a.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, fringe Protestant group. Um, I think they believe in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: soul sleep. And, and I do think there are some
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: evangelicals that kind of get close to it, you know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: that they think that, um,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You know, to, when you, when you're absent from the body, you're,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you're with the Lord, but it's very ambiguous just exactly
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: what that means.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And um and I think probably a lot of people
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: just because the English New Testament uses the word sleep
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: sometimes in referring to death. So that's an easy one
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to think, oh, well, we're asleep, you know, we must
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: go to sleep for a period of time. The sleep
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: is referring to the the body resting in the grave, uh,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: but not to the spirit.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And my favorite one of those is Jesus saying, you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Lazarus is asleep. And then, you know, even his own
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: disciples being like, oh well, if he's asleep, let him rest, man,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: leave him alone. And then, and then Jesus having to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: be literal, guys, he's dead. That should have cleared up
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the sleep and death thing right then. It should have, yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Then there's the deep sleep that Adam fell upon or
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that fell on him and, uh, all of a sudden
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: he wakes up with one less rib. But then, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: when Paul says to the Thessalonians, we shall not all
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: sleep but we shall be changed, um, or, or no, in, uh,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to the Corinthians, he says that, but then the other
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: one is, uh, the Thessalonian passage where he, he says, um,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: we who are alive and remain, uh, you know, I
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: think there he's talking, he uses the term sleep as well.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Chris, thanks for your question sent in through the Pastor's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: perspective Facebook page using messenger. Dave and Winchester, you're up
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: next with pastors Brian Broderson and Phil Metzger. What did
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: you want to know?
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had a question on when we testify or,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I've met many Mormons that are very
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Nice people, very polite, nice, kind people and all that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But in testifying to them when they come to your
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: door and stuff, I'm wondering if, uh, Galatians 1:8 would
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: be the absolute truth that would show them, uh, prior
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to Joseph Smith and Moroni, that scripture in Galatians 1:8
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: would be the strong, or maybe the strongest scripture to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: give them to show them the error of that faith
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: or religion.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And let me just read that passage really quick for
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't have their Bible handy. Uh, Paul writes,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: but even if we or an angel from heaven should
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: preach a gospel other than the one we preach to you,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: let them be under God's curse. So how would you
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: use that verse, Dave, if someone came to your door? Well,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: yeah, I would, uh, say that, uh, an angel came
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: according to Joseph Smith and gave him all this new gospel,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: all this new direction.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And that was after the fact that God had already
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: said beware exactly of that experience.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and I'd say, Dave, of course, um, you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: would think.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: That if you just showed them that verse, they go,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: oh gosh.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, man, you're right. You know, we, we, we don't
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: want to follow a different gospel, but sadly, they don't because,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of course, there's a, you know, there's a deceptive, a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: spiritually deceptive element that is here that, you know, kind
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: of captures a person's mind. And so, but, but it's
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: certainly a, a great passage that says exactly what, um,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you know, had Joseph Smith read it and taken it seriously,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: concocted this idea that he had a message from an angel.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Plus, isn't this verse in the Mormon Bible too, because
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: isn't it? I mean, they have all the same books
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: we do for the most part. I mean, is it
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: missing from their version, their translation? Uh, no, I think,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I think, I think they just use the King James.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: They don't have a like the Jehovah's Witnesses have their
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: own translation, uh, the New World translation, the, um.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Mormons, I, I think pretty much are, I think they're
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: still kind of locked into the King James. And for them,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the Bible is accurate in as much as it's, uh,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: properly translated, which that means the way we translate it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: So if, if you're not translating it the way we
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: translate it, then it, it's obviously not going to be accurate. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: because I wonder what they would do, what they do
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: with that verse and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're not going to say, oh no, that,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: that doesn't apply to us. Yeah, but they do, they
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: do say that apply to them. So this is spiritual deception,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes, sometimes we forget that there is a,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a demonic thing that influences people's minds,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: so they just can't even sometimes think rationally about something,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Dave, what do you think?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's, uh, fantastic. And, uh, as
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: far as the illusions go, uh, even Proverbs tells us that.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: The wicked run when no one's chasing them, they're still
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in the deception and, uh, deception goes both ways because,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: of course, we know that the Lord has destroyed armies
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: just by using Gideon's.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Lamps or he even made the sounds of chariots to
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: chase away multitudes, but it wasn't really happening, but they
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: thought they heard something. And so these people again, like
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the pastor was saying, are probably at a place of
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: such a deception that they can't see it for what
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it actually says. Don't receive that. And it's a fantastic
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: answer by the pastor. Thank you.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. And, and you know, a lot of times too,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you guys, um.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Know this that in like a a group like the
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: LDS or the Jehovah's Witnesses or
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: You know, groups like that, you're, you're not really free
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to think for yourself. You really are under the authority
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: of a, a group of people, you know, like in Mormonism,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you have the apostles and the and the prophets and
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: so they're.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: You know, things come down from them.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So to contradict them.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Is, is a huge thing. So most individual Mormons are,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: are not gonna do that, you know, but what, what
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: do I know? I'm not an apostle. I'm not a prophet. So,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: or a priest, um, I think it's priest, apostles and priests,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: priesthood is what they have, yeah, um, yeah, so, uh,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you know, it, it's a.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I mean things, these things are, they're complicated because to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: us it just seems as clear as day, um, you know,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I was talking to some Mormons ages ago they were
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: came into my garage and we were talking and going
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: back and forth and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Um, I, I talked to them about being saved, and
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: they kind of scoffed at the idea of saved, like, oh,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you think you're saved, huh? You think you, you're already
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: saved and you're gonna go be with the Lord already. Well,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: you know, they don't believe that. They believe that you're
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: saved by works and you don't find out until you've
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: done enough works. But when you show them the biblical text,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: for by grace you are saved, past tense.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: You would think they would go, oh gosh, it says
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: saved right there, but now they just carry on with
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: their argument so much of the time. But who knows,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you're planting seeds sometimes that are going to, uh, sprout.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe, you know, much, much later, yeah, for sure. All right,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I think we have time for at least one more question.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I'll get one that was sent in on Facebook. I
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: will reach into my messenger bag, Facebook messenger bag. See
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: what I did there. Adele sent this one in. Uh,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: is there any biblical reference to where the millennial peoples
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: who inhabit the earth will go after the burning of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the existing heaven and earth, Phil?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Can you repeat that again for $400? That's the question, yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: You can also phone a friend, but your friend is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Brian Broderson. So is there any biblical reference to where
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: the millennial peoples who inhabit the earth will go after
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the burning of the existing heaven and earth?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's a, there's a new Earth, so.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I think they're confused, but I'm, I'm confused at how
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: they're asking that. So the people who lived through the,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: into the millennium, uh, the world is not burned up
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: in that moment.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And so they, they, there's judgment, but not that, and
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: then at the very end of the age, it's a
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: new heaven and a new earth, and that's all peoples
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: are redeemed at that point. There are no people continuing
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: into the eternal state of God's perfection that are not
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: in the redeemed family. So when the millennium begins, there
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: are people who continue into that, but the world is
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: not all burned up at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, no. OK.
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