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Sharri | 29 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Well, good evening.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Sharry, coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Just when you thought the coalition chaos couldn't get any
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Speaker 2: more chaotic, it does. Rival factions, secret meetings, ignored invitations.
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Speaker 2: And that's before we talk about Tony Abbott and Christopher
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Speaker 2: Pine throwing themselves into the middle of it all. National
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Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan and economist Adam.
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Speaker 1: Crichton will join me to pick through it all in
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Speaker 1: a moment.
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Speaker 2: Plus Australia's inflation problem is flaring up again, and a
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Speaker 2: warning we could become an energy superpower that can't keep
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Speaker 2: the lights on at home. Leith van Nonsalen joins me
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Speaker 2: to talk about what he calls the energy Hunger Games,
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Speaker 2: and Shari Markson will join me in a moment to
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Speaker 2: tell us what she's been working on while she's been away.
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty amazing project and she'll have all the
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Speaker 2: details for us shortly.
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Speaker 1: But first, the.
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Speaker 2: Lebanese Muslim Association has launched a blistering attack on Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison after he dared to suggest Islamic leaders should better
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Speaker 2: monitor how Islam is taught in this country. In a
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Speaker 2: full page statement, they described the former Prime minister as
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Speaker 2: a failed politician struggling with irrelevancy. They called him divisive,
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Speaker 2: disloyal and a political opportunist.
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Speaker 1: Oh when they suggested.
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Speaker 2: He should be charged under the government's new laws with
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Speaker 2: hate speech. In today's Australia, pointing at the fire alarm
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Speaker 2: is more offensive, it seems, than setting the building on fire.
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Speaker 1: All of this outrage because Scott Morrison a pine that
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: In the wake of the bond Bi terror attack allegedly
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Speaker 2: committed by Islamic jihades, it might be time to think
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Speaker 2: about how Islam is being manipulated to inspire violence. The
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Speaker 2: statement began with this gentle love letter. The Lebanese Muslim
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Speaker 2: Association wishes to make it clear the last person the
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Speaker 2: Australian Muslim community would ever seek advice from is a
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Speaker 2: man who failed as Prime Minister, failed as treasurer, failed
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Speaker 2: as a senior minister, and failed to unite the country
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Speaker 2: when it mattered most AlCH that's not an argument, that's
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Speaker 2: a one star Google review.
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Speaker 1: Talk about playing the man and not the ball.
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Speaker 2: I knowe they failed to mention Scott Morrison's greatest triumph
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Speaker 2: stopping the boats. I can't imagine why, but I digress. Next,
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Speaker 2: the association demonstrated its deep engagement with Morrison's argument by
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Speaker 2: listing a series of political grievances that had absolutely nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with Morrison's argument. They accused Morrison of and
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Speaker 2: I quote, abandoning the nation during the Black Summer bushfires
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Speaker 2: to holiday in Hawaii while Australians suffered devastation and loss.
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Speaker 2: Now maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure how
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Speaker 2: Morrison's handling of the twenty nineteen bushfire season is relevant
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Speaker 2: to his comments on the twenty twenty five Bondi terror
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Speaker 2: attack unless the radicalization pipeline runs.
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Speaker 1: Directly through YKKI.
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Speaker 2: The Lebanese Muslim Association then continued with a long laundry
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Speaker 2: list of Morrison's failures, ending with this political mic drop quote,
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Speaker 2: leaving behind a fractured Liberal party now polling so pauly
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Speaker 2: that its leader trails even Pauline Hansen in preferred prime
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Speaker 2: minister rankings. Now that one did make me laugh. The logic,
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Speaker 2: see if you can follow it, is that Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: has no right to comment on Islamic extremism because Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson is out polling Susan Lee in the race to
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Speaker 2: beat Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 1: See how that political trivia.
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Speaker 2: Completely negates Morrison's thoughts on how to curb radical Islam.
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Speaker 2: The Lebanese Muslim Association had harsher words for Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: than they did for the alleged Bondai terrorists. The funny
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Speaker 2: thing is that Scott Morrison warned when he gave his
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Speaker 2: speech that this would be the reaction.
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Speaker 3: Some will seek to characterize my remarks as hostile to
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Speaker 3: Australia's Islamic community and even multiculturalism itself, trilling out the
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Speaker 3: usual accusations of Islamophobia to the I am advocating reforms
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Speaker 3: that I believe will help religious leaders in our Islamic
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Speaker 3: community keep the wolves from their flock.
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Speaker 2: When Morrison said he wanted to help the Islamic community
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Speaker 2: keep the wolves from the flock, I wonder if he
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Speaker 2: was expecting the Lebanese Muslim Association will be the ones
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Speaker 2: to bear their teeth. After devoting half a page to
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Speaker 2: smearing Scott Morrison's character, you know, as opposed to actually
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Speaker 2: addressing anything Scott Morrison said, the Lebanese Muslim Association finally
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Speaker 2: got to their substantive point, and I'll quote it is
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Speaker 2: both offensive and grotesque that Scott Morrison would lecture Australians
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Speaker 2: about social cohesion while speaking from Israel at a time
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Speaker 2: when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are being killed
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Speaker 2: in nearby gaza. Well, I did not see that one coming,
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Speaker 2: did you. How dare a former Prime Minister of Australia's
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Speaker 2: nest ways to save Australians from being killed by terror
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Speaker 2: attacks in Australia when israel Let's recap alleged Islamic jee
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Speaker 2: artists allegedly radicalized here in Australia allegedly shoot fifteen Australians
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Speaker 2: dead at Bombai Beach on a Sunday afternoon. Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: makes some suggestions as to how the Muslim community might
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Speaker 2: want to prevent people from misunderstanding their religion of peace
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Speaker 2: as a license to kill Jews in the name of God,
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Speaker 2: and the Lebanese Muslim Association's response is do something about Israel.
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Speaker 2: Listen carefully to what Scott Morrison said in his speech.
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Speaker 3: Islamic leaders have a pastoral duty to protect their communities
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Speaker 3: from radicalization, and I believe most take this responsibility very seriously. However,
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Speaker 3: stronger institutional frameworks would assist them, but it would also
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Speaker 3: expose those who do not share their commitment.
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Speaker 2: The idea of better regulating Islamic preachers would assist them
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Speaker 2: cracking down on radicalization and expose those who do not
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Speaker 2: share any such commitment, and wouldn't you know it, some
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Speaker 2: felt exposed almost instantly. The Lebanese Muslim Association finished their
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Speaker 2: hit piece on Scott Morrison with this. The Federal Labor
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Speaker 2: government has recently rushed through controversial hate speech laws if
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Speaker 2: it is serious about enforcing them, this moment presents a
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Speaker 2: clear test because if Scott Morrison's comments in Israel this
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Speaker 2: week don't constitute hate speech, then Australians are entitled to
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Speaker 2: ask what does.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: At this point, I'd like to offer some assistance to
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Speaker 2: our friends at the Lebanese Muslim Association. Most Australians would
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Speaker 2: probably say this might constitute hate speech.
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Speaker 4: I'm smiling and I'm happy, I'm in Natan.
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Speaker 1: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: And this constitutes hate speech as well. And my opinion,
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Speaker 2: but I reckon this would be approaching hate speech.
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Speaker 4: Towards the end of times, when the Muslims will be
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Speaker 4: fighting that the Jews, the trees will speak, the soune
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Speaker 4: will speak, and I will say, oh Muslim, oh believer,
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Speaker 4: there is a Yahudi behind me, Come and kill him.
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Speaker 1: But this, this is not hate speech.
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Speaker 3: Given the specific involvement of radicalized extremist Islam in the
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Speaker 3: Bondai terrorist attacks, Australia's response must pay explicit and specific
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Speaker 3: attention to this issue. And I'm not just talking about immigration.
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Speaker 2: Nope, not hate speech. That's a bit of old fashioned
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Speaker 2: plane speaking. Thankfully, Multicultural Affairs Minister Anne Ali responded to
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Speaker 2: Morrison's comments on Islam with the seriousness and intellectual honesty
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Speaker 2: the issue deserves. I'm joking, of course, like the Lebanese
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Speaker 2: Muslim Association, the Muslim MP immediately accused Scott Morrison of
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Speaker 2: vilifying all Muslims, which of course he did not. And
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Speaker 2: Ali either didn't bother listening to Morrison's speech and so
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Speaker 2: knows nothing of what she's talking about, or she did
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Speaker 2: listen to Morrison's speech and is deliberately misrepresenting it. Either way,
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Speaker 2: she found a listening here on the ABC.
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Speaker 5: I think it's incredibly irresponsible and I also think it's
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Speaker 5: incredibly disappointing because it draws on historical stereotypes and a
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Speaker 5: historical trope that continually puts the blame and responsibility and
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Speaker 5: the burden on Muslim communities. Whenever there is any form
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Speaker 5: of a terrorist attack, a.
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Speaker 2: Link between terror attacks and the Muslim community is.
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Speaker 1: Based on historical stereotypes.
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Speaker 2: Nine to eleven wasn't a stereotype, nor was October seven,
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Speaker 2: Nor was the Manchester bombing, the Brussels bombing, the Nice
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Speaker 2: truck attack, the Berlin Christmas Market attack, the Vienna terror attack,
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Speaker 2: the Reading terror attack, or the London Bridge stabbing. All
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Speaker 2: of those terrorist attacks actually happened and were actually linked
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Speaker 2: to radical Islam, most often by the perpetrators themselves, who
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Speaker 2: in every instance were members of a Muslim community.
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Speaker 1: Now does that put the.
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Speaker 2: Blame on all Muslims, of course not. Does it suggest
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Speaker 2: that the Muslim leaders should probably be open to a
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Speaker 2: conversation about how we can prevent members of their communities
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Speaker 2: from being radicalized, Well, in a sane civilization, yes, But
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Speaker 2: sanity has been canceled for being too offensive, So instead
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Speaker 2: we get the standard rhetorical trick accuse Scott Morrison of
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Speaker 2: blaming all Muslims, so you never have to talk about
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Speaker 2: any Muslims committing terror attacks?
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Speaker 1: What should do it again? And Ali really is very
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Speaker 1: good at it.
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Speaker 5: And yet this consistent seeking to blame the entire community,
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Speaker 5: an entire faith community, for the actions of two radicalized
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Speaker 5: individuals to take advantage or something like the Bondai attacks
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Speaker 5: to associates of discourse is absolutely abhorrent and should be rejected.
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Speaker 2: She's successfully changed the subject from radical Islam to islamophobic
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison as if SCOMO is the real threat to Australia.
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Speaker 2: While we're examining the continued meltdown over Scott Morrison's comments,
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Speaker 2: it's worth making quick mention of the ABC.
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Speaker 1: Now remember the criticism.
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Speaker 2: Of Scott Morrison is that he's targeting all Muslims for
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Speaker 2: the actions of a few. His ABC presenter Sally Sara yesterday.
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Speaker 6: Do you think that preachers or faith leaders from all
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Speaker 6: religions should have to be registered or accredited? Why do
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Speaker 6: you think it should be the Muslim faith and Muslim
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Speaker 6: preachers who are targeted?
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Speaker 1: Hm? Why would that be?
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Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest, traffic ballards haven't been placed throughout
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Speaker 2: our cities to protect pedestrians from Presbyterians and airport security
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Speaker 2: wasn't ramped up after nine to eleven because people were
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Speaker 2: worried the Della Lama might go off the deep end,
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Speaker 2: and snipers weren't sitting atop the Opera House during the
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Speaker 2: Bondai Memorial last week because there was a concern that, oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, radical Hindus might show up demanding Jews
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Speaker 2: come outside. Is liberal MP Andrew Bragg's response to Sally Sara, Well.
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Speaker 7: You want everything to be neutral, of course, but in
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Speaker 7: this case, as I said, we have had unfortunately a
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Speaker 7: problem where a lot of these extreme statements and extreme
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Speaker 7: acts are coming from one particular part of our society.
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Speaker 8: And we're very proud to be a.
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Speaker 7: Diverse community in Australia. We have to be honest and
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Speaker 7: open when there are problems.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Reality is stubbornly discriminatory.
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Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the left. Honestly, it's hilarious.
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Speaker 2: On the one hand, they a bore the idea of
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Speaker 2: cracking down on one faith because of the actions of
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Speaker 2: a few, and then in the next breath they suggest
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Speaker 2: we crack down on all faiths because of the problems
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Speaker 2: in one. I'll give the final word, and I don't
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Speaker 2: know why, but I'll give the final word to former
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Speaker 2: Independent MP Tony Windsor. In response to Scott Morrison's suggestion
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Speaker 2: that Islamic organizations should better regulate their preachers to prevent
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Speaker 2: sermons inspiring terror attacks, Windsor tweeted this, Scomo, I look
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Speaker 2: forward to seeing you lead the way in your rented
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Speaker 2: gospel so called church. Nothing like a bit of christophobia
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Speaker 2: from those upset about Islamophobia. Well, when little old ladies
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Speaker 2: at Scomo's church are being radicalized to commit terror attacks,
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Speaker 2: we'll all demand action from the Christian Scott Morrison, and
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Speaker 2: so we should good. But until then the problem remains
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Speaker 2: exactly where everyone is too afraid to look, and that
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Speaker 2: in a country now completely addicted to comforting lies, is
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Speaker 2: a massive problem. Well, conservative rivals Andrew Hasty and Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor have held a face to face sit down in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne with liberal powerbrokers as the Right tries to settle
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Speaker 2: on one challenger to Susan Lee. The meeting ended with
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Speaker 2: neither man willing to back down, which raises the question
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Speaker 2: what was the point of that, apart from to add
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Speaker 2: to the perception of chaos. Say what you like about
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Speaker 2: the National Party at least they can organize the leadership spill.
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Speaker 2: They've even put it in the diary. It'll be held
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Speaker 2: on Monday. Joining me now A National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and IPA chief economist Adam Crichton.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. Adam will start with you.
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Speaker 2: What do we read into Taylor and hasty meeting? Is
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Speaker 2: this the Right trying to get sacked together or is
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Speaker 2: this the Right.
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Speaker 1: Still at war with itself.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think it's pretty clear that Susan Lee's
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Speaker 9: leadership is probably terminal. I don't think that's a controversial statement.
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Speaker 9: It's a question of how long it takes, and so
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Speaker 9: it's perfectly natural that there'd be other aspirants for that position.
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Speaker 9: But the question for voters is what do the Liberal
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Speaker 9: Party stand for? We don't really know that. It's been
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Speaker 9: so many months since the federal election. They were meant
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Speaker 9: to have a review on their policy standfor ands. I
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Speaker 9: know they have nominally dumped net zero, but the Liberal
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Speaker 9: Party rarely talks about that. They don't seem to have
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Speaker 9: a policy on immigration, so they really need a leader
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Speaker 9: who's going to have a new policy on those issues,
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Speaker 9: a more decisive policy, and more decisive distinction with the government.
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Speaker 1: I mean the National Party.
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Speaker 9: Is, to their credit, they do have a distinction on
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Speaker 9: immigration and on energy. We know where they stand. I,
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Speaker 9: as someone who follows politics relatively closely, don't know where
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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party stands on those issues really, and so
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Speaker 9: that's the real issue that needs to be resolved.
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Speaker 1: It's a really good point. Let me go to you,
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: No one believes Colin Boyce can topple David Little Proud
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Speaker 2: on Monday. I don't even think Colin Boyce believes he
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Speaker 2: can do it. So what's the point of the spill?
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Speaker 10: Well, look, you'll obviously need to ask Colin that, but
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Speaker 10: he has publicly said he'd like to see the level
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Speaker 10: of Nationals get back together and his view is that
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Speaker 10: that would be easier under a new leader. Now I
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Speaker 10: don't support this spill. I'm proud of the role of
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Speaker 10: Nationals Party play to both improve the bill that did
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Speaker 10: go through in the Parliament and also oppose the more
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Speaker 10: egregious restrictions on people's speech. So I'm very proud of
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Speaker 10: the fact that we stood by that. It did come
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Speaker 10: at some cost to our party. With the coalition finally
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Speaker 10: ending at the end of the week, and of course
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Speaker 10: some shadow ministers losing their positions their pay that go
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Speaker 10: with those positions as well have taken pay cuts. So
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Speaker 10: I'm very proud that we stood by our principles, even
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Speaker 10: though it came at some personal cost. Now next week,
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Speaker 10: going to next week, we don't have a coalition right now,
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Speaker 10: so my focus will be on pushing the policies at
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Speaker 10: the Nationals Party are passionate about. Adam's done a good
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Speaker 10: job at to outlining some of those, but we've got
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Speaker 10: to wear their zero to bring down power prices, We've
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Speaker 10: got to bring some discipline back to government spending. That
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Speaker 10: needs to be pressure on this government over yesterday's inflation
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Speaker 10: figure is absolutely shocking. Probably an interest rate rise next
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Speaker 10: week and some people may have missed, but just before
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Speaker 10: Christmas the government put out a budget update sort of
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Speaker 10: being lost, but there needs to be exposed with the
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Speaker 10: fact that we've had a record cost blow out of
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Speaker 10: the budget fifty five billion dollar increase in expenses in
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Speaker 10: just six months, and there's not enough explanation about why
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Speaker 10: why have the government programs blown out by so much
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Speaker 10: and how much of that has contributed to display and
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Speaker 10: interest rate disaster hitting austrained families.
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Speaker 2: So, Matt Canavan, you make a great point that there's
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Speaker 2: so much the Albanezi government is doing wrong, and yet
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Speaker 2: all of this is being forgotten because we're all focused
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Speaker 2: on the coalition. Adam, who's the biggest loser here, the
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Speaker 2: coalition or the country?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the country is a huge I mean
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Speaker 9: we have these, you know, shocking inflation figures three point
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Speaker 9: eight percent from three point four percent. I mean, this
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Speaker 9: is really lethal. People's living standards are going backwards.
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Speaker 1: At a great rate.
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Speaker 9: I don't know about your wage, James, but mine's not
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Speaker 9: growing at four percent a year. And I'm sure that's
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Speaker 9: the case for you know, the vast majority of people
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Speaker 9: watching the show, we're just ignoring all the serious problems.
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Speaker 9: Spending growth of the government is completely out of control.
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Speaker 9: Of the fastest growth since the Whitlam years. This is
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Speaker 9: not my figures, this is Chris Richardson's figures. We have
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Speaker 9: the fastest growth in federal spending since the nineteen seventies,
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Speaker 9: and not enough people are talking about this. Of course,
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Speaker 9: this has an impact on inflation. It's completely obvious. We've
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Speaker 9: got one of the highest inflation rates in the OECD
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Speaker 9: Australia and we're about to lift interest rates. That's going
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Speaker 9: to hit hundreds of thousands of Australian households who have
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Speaker 9: home loans. So not only are their prices going up,
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Speaker 9: the interest rate's going to go up on their loan.
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Speaker 9: I mean to me, it's extraordinary the government is actually
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Speaker 9: as popular or kind of unpopular as it is because
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Speaker 9: we have a diabolical set of economic circumstances that we're facing.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Matt susan Lee reportedly wants a meeting with your leader,
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Speaker 2: but he's told her to wait while he sorts out
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Speaker 2: his leadership issues.
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Speaker 1: Was that a smart move?
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Speaker 2: I would have thought if he breaks bread with susan Lee,
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Speaker 2: that would probably resolve his own leadership issues.
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Speaker 10: Look, David's made the principal decision not to take that
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Speaker 10: meeting while there is a spill on his leadership, and
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Speaker 10: I suppose taking the position that the party room has
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Speaker 10: to decide that first before he were to take any
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Speaker 10: particular positions with the leader. Look, I personally would have
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Speaker 10: no problem David taking that meeting. As you've hinted at,
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Speaker 10: I don't think David is going to have any threat
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Speaker 10: on Monday, and I'd like to see the Coloration get
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Speaker 10: back together, so I'm perfectly comfortable him having these discussions.
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Speaker 10: That doesn't seem to me to be a big reason
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Speaker 10: about why we shouldn't be in a coalition. In fact,
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Speaker 10: Party have never had that position that we shouldn't be.
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Speaker 10: All we said was that we would vote with our principles,
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Speaker 10: as I said, to defend the free speech of Australians. Now,
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Speaker 10: because of that, the Liberal leader decided to sack our
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Speaker 10: ministers and that as a consequence, led to the end
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Speaker 10: of the coalition. But in my view, I feel no
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Speaker 10: ill will to Liberal Party members who came to a
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Speaker 10: different position on a very complex bill. We just had
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Speaker 10: a difference of opinion. It's in the rearview mirror. We
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Speaker 10: should get on with life and hold the government to account.
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Speaker 10: But that is a decision that the Liberal Leader, who
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Speaker 10: sets who appoints the shadow minister ministry would have to make.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
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Speaker 2: Well, We'll all be waiting with baited breath to see
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Speaker 2: what happens on Monday with the National Party and then
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Speaker 2: later in the week with the Liberals. Hopefully we can
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Speaker 2: sort this thing out so we can get on with
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Speaker 2: holding the Albanesi government account to account as God knows
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Speaker 2: we need to. Mat Canavan and Adam Crichton, thanks so much.
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Speaker 1: To both of you.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been an absolute honor to host the Shari
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Speaker 2: program while she's been away working on a special project
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Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks, and to tell us
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Speaker 2: all about it, joining me on.
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Speaker 1: Sherry is Cherry. Cherry, Welcome to your program, James.
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Speaker 11: You have done the most phenomenal job hosting over the
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Speaker 11: past couple of weeks, and thank you so much for
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Speaker 11: not just filling in, but for doing a truly magnificent job.
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Speaker 11: But I've had such amazing feedback from all the viewers
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Speaker 11: as well.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's been an absolute pleasure, and I'm sure people
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Speaker 2: will be very happy to see you back in the chair.
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Speaker 2: I think next Wednesday, next Wednesday yet, but tell us
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Speaker 2: because people have been asking me where's Sherry, what's she
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Speaker 2: been doing?
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Speaker 1: What have you been up to?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so, look, it's been a really heavy what is
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Speaker 11: it now, six or seven weeks since the terror attack
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Speaker 11: on December fourteenth, and as you know, in that first
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Speaker 11: week I was telling so many of the stories, going
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Speaker 11: from hospital to hospital and interviewing survivors, and so it
20:51
Speaker 11: was a very natural progression to then make a documentary
20:55
Speaker 11: about the terror attack. So that's what me, along with
20:59
Speaker 11: some the incredible producers here at Sky News, we've been
21:03
Speaker 11: working on a documentary on the terror attack. It's called
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Speaker 11: Bondi Timeline of Terror. It's going to air on February
21:12
Speaker 11: the twenty fourth. It's a ninety minute documentary. It is
21:16
Speaker 11: the most in depth, definitive account. We have done so
21:21
Speaker 11: many interviews with witnesses who were there, with survivors, with
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Speaker 11: people who were shot, and with the family members of victims.
21:31
Speaker 11: It's incredibly powerful. It's emotional, but it also breaks new ground. James.
21:36
Speaker 11: We've got exclusive content, new vision, new audio of emergency
21:44
Speaker 11: service vehicles, first responders. It's quite phenomenal, you know, over
21:50
Speaker 11: this investigative process what we've been able to uncover. But
21:53
Speaker 11: what's just most amazed me is the courage of the
21:58
Speaker 11: people I've sat down with. I mean, some of these
22:01
Speaker 11: people have either lost those closest to them or barely
22:06
Speaker 11: made it out of Bondai alive. Their courage is unbelievable.
22:12
Speaker 11: It is so inspirational, and I think, James, we're about
22:15
Speaker 11: to see the very first look at the documentary We've
22:18
Speaker 11: got a ninety second promo. It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's have a look control Apple one four
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Speaker 1: pulled up on Campbell Parade.
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Speaker 8: It looks like there is a shooting here. We have
22:33
Speaker 8: at least forty, maybe fifty patients. Once they came on
22:41
Speaker 8: the bridge.
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Speaker 12: I was the first one to be shot.
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Speaker 1: He said, why would someone shoot an old man?
22:46
Speaker 11: And he said, Mum, I know it was because we
22:47
Speaker 11: were at Anoka.
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Speaker 1: I heard pop pop pop, la pops when we arrived there.
22:53
Speaker 1: It essentially looked like.
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Speaker 5: A war zone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that shot all right? Going for where are
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Speaker 1: you greeting from? I said, get down, get down?
23:04
Speaker 6: So you're crouching. We're crouching here below this wall. To
23:08
Speaker 6: think how.
23:08
Speaker 1: Close you were to the shooters, and you know Sky
23:13
Speaker 1: News exclusive here from the man who survived six bullet wounds.
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Speaker 8: I knew I was in trouble when I got hit
23:19
Speaker 8: in the chest, and I didn't want to die in
23:23
Speaker 8: front of my kids.
23:24
Speaker 6: It was so confronting seeing your wounds.
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Speaker 12: You're definitely one of the reasons I'm still here.
23:30
Speaker 5: We aren't safe as Jews in Australia.
23:33
Speaker 8: Graffiti, fire bombings, all of these things just escalate, escalate,
23:37
Speaker 8: escalat This isn't.
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Speaker 1: A trauma of the past.
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Speaker 6: This is with us.
23:40
Speaker 1: Every downtown safety is guaranteed.
23:42
Speaker 6: Do you think it could have been different?
23:44
Speaker 4: I personally feel that the government betrayed us.
23:47
Speaker 6: They betrayed Matilda.
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Speaker 11: BONDI a timeline of terror February twenty four, seven thirty
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Speaker 11: pm on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: That's the first I've seen of this, and just that
23:58
Speaker 2: ninety seconds I can else is going to be very moving.
24:02
Speaker 2: What do you hope viewers will take away from watching this?
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Speaker 11: I think that in our daily news cycle, people just
24:09
Speaker 11: move on. For the Jewish community, we will never move
24:13
Speaker 11: on from this. This life is now not the same
24:17
Speaker 11: for us. I mean, you look at the stories there.
24:20
Speaker 11: Matilda's father, Michael, you know, I said to him, do
24:25
Speaker 11: you think anything could have been different for your beautiful
24:27
Speaker 11: ten year old girl, Matilda? He said, the Albanezy government
24:31
Speaker 11: betrayed the Jewish community, they betrayed Matilda. And he spoke
24:36
Speaker 11: to me about how it wasn't just the shooters who
24:40
Speaker 11: were culpable, but the inaction over more than two years
24:44
Speaker 11: on anti Semitism. You just saw that incredible young father.
24:50
Speaker 11: He barely made it out of Bondai alive. He was
24:53
Speaker 11: in a coma, he was all but left for dead.
24:56
Speaker 11: People thought he had died. But as you heard in
24:59
Speaker 11: that in that comment from him, he did it. He
25:03
Speaker 11: wanted to live for his children and it was that
25:06
Speaker 11: incredible courage, that determination he forced himself to battle through it.
25:13
Speaker 11: And where he is today. I mean, on the night
25:15
Speaker 11: of Bonda, you'd never think he'd be sitting there speaking
25:18
Speaker 11: to me and telling his story. It's just so emotional,
25:22
Speaker 11: it's incredible. It is a story of antisemitism of course
25:25
Speaker 11: as well, and what we need to do as a nation,
25:28
Speaker 11: as a country to stop this from happening again. Because
25:31
Speaker 11: right now I have to tell you, James, not enough
25:34
Speaker 11: is being done and instead you've got all the politicians
25:36
Speaker 11: fighting again.
25:38
Speaker 1: That's not good enough.
25:39
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, and maybe I'll come
25:41
Speaker 2: back to this because I want to know from you.
25:43
Speaker 1: Are you more.
25:44
Speaker 2: Hopeful or less hopeful this far after the attack, with
25:48
Speaker 2: some of the things that have happened. Remind me to
25:49
Speaker 2: ask you that before we go to a break. But
25:52
Speaker 2: watching the documentary, imagine it's going to be really mixed feelings,
25:55
Speaker 2: because I can see already it's going to be a
25:59
Speaker 2: make people teary, but I imagine it's also quite inspiring
26:02
Speaker 2: as well. Is it interesting to deal with both of
26:04
Speaker 2: those emotions at the same time, because you've got great
26:07
Speaker 2: tragedy and yet great heroism all at once.
26:10
Speaker 11: And that's exactly what we saw on the night of Bondi.
26:13
Speaker 11: We saw the worst of humanity. We saw radical Islamic
26:17
Speaker 11: extremism come to Bondi, target the kind of festival. But
26:22
Speaker 11: then we saw the absolute best of Australia. Lifeguards who
26:27
Speaker 11: I've interviewed, who were there before any paramedics. They ran
26:31
Speaker 11: in with their equipment, They saved lives off judy, nurses, doctors,
26:37
Speaker 11: other first responders who just went in and did what
26:41
Speaker 11: they can. And one of the lifeguards, I don't want
26:43
Speaker 11: to give it too much away, but one of the
26:45
Speaker 11: lifeguards tells me in the documentary that there wasn't a
26:49
Speaker 11: person dying who didn't have a hand to hold. I mean,
26:54
Speaker 11: that comment just struck me, even if they didn't know
26:57
Speaker 11: the person. I mean, you know, you're tearing up James,
27:00
Speaker 11: even as they were too dying without their family members.
27:03
Speaker 11: There was a lifeguard, an off duty you know, paramedic,
27:07
Speaker 11: someone to hold everyone's hand and you know that is
27:10
Speaker 11: the Australian spirit, so that that does give me hope,
27:14
Speaker 11: but it does mean we don't have this extremely grave
27:18
Speaker 11: threat of radical Islamic extremism that hasn't been properly dealt
27:24
Speaker 11: with yet.
27:25
Speaker 2: What did you make of Scott Morrison's comments. I mentioned
27:28
Speaker 2: them at the top, I spoke about them last night
27:30
Speaker 2: as well, because I think his contribution is really important.
27:32
Speaker 2: If for no other reason, then we at least have
27:35
Speaker 2: a conversation about what's going on. What did you make
27:38
Speaker 2: of his comments and what have you made of the
27:40
Speaker 2: reaction to his comments.
27:42
Speaker 11: Look, Scott Morrison couldn't have done more to support the
27:47
Speaker 11: Australian Jewish community and to fight against anti Semitism even
27:51
Speaker 11: when he was Prime Minister. He moved the capital to
27:56
Speaker 11: the Australian Embassy to Jerusalem. He went above and beyond
28:01
Speaker 11: to support Israel and the Australian Jewish community. He's obviously
28:06
Speaker 11: been in Israel, as you spoke about. I think he's
28:11
Speaker 11: if he was Prime minister. If he had been Prime
28:13
Speaker 11: minister over the past two years, this crisis might have
28:18
Speaker 11: been very different anti Semitism crisis. He wouldn't have put
28:21
Speaker 11: up with what we've seen, but we had this escalation
28:26
Speaker 11: of anti Semitism, we had people turning a blind eye
28:29
Speaker 11: to the threat of radical Islam. I think Morrison is
28:33
Speaker 11: one hundred percent right. I'm so grateful for his support
28:37
Speaker 11: for our community.
28:38
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that people have come out just slamming him,
28:41
Speaker 2: smearing him and talking about everything except what he's saying.
28:45
Speaker 11: They always do that. He's come up against that from
28:48
Speaker 11: the very beginning, you know, on every topic, not just this.
28:53
Speaker 11: You know he was blamed for me too, He was
28:55
Speaker 11: blamed for everything under the sun. You know, the left
29:00
Speaker 11: absolutely hate Scott Morrison.
29:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Matilda's parents saying that the Albaneze government betrayed
29:09
Speaker 2: their daughter. That's very strong language. I watched you and
29:14
Speaker 2: I thought you handled the Opera House memorial brilliantly.
29:17
Speaker 11: By the way, very emotional night.
29:20
Speaker 2: And I watched, obviously Anthony Albanezi speak and he gave
29:23
Speaker 2: an apology of sorts, and you graciously accepted that, but
29:28
Speaker 2: didn't roll over either. You pointed out that you know,
29:31
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of anger in the community. How
29:35
Speaker 2: far did Scott Morrison's apology that night go towards Sorry,
29:40
Speaker 2: Albanese's apology go that night towards calming emotions or is
29:46
Speaker 2: it still very raw and is there still a lot
29:48
Speaker 2: of anger.
29:49
Speaker 11: Look, I think it's a crucial step that he apologized
29:52
Speaker 11: and accepted some responsibility for what happened on December fourteen.
29:59
Speaker 11: But you where journalists, James, you know, we know that
30:04
Speaker 11: would he have done that if he wasn't suffering in
30:06
Speaker 11: the polls? Probably not. It wasn't his first instinct to
30:11
Speaker 11: come out after the terror attack and say I should
30:14
Speaker 11: have done more. I should have thrown everything at anti
30:17
Speaker 11: Semitism crisis like we were all begging him to do.
30:20
Speaker 11: You know I said here, I couldn't have said more
30:23
Speaker 11: times that this was going to lead to a loss
30:25
Speaker 11: of life if action wasn't taken. The Prime Minister's instinct
30:29
Speaker 11: wasn't to come out immediately and apologize and even act
30:34
Speaker 11: do everything possible. His instinct was to go to gun reform.
30:37
Speaker 11: You know, if it's not guns, it's bombs, and we
30:40
Speaker 11: know those that there were unexploded bombs found on the
30:44
Speaker 11: night of Bondai as well. And you compare him to
30:46
Speaker 11: a leader like the new Southwest Premier Chris Mins, whose
30:49
Speaker 11: instinct is to say I'm sorry, I let you down.
30:53
Speaker 11: I should have done more. He genuinely cares. That doesn't
30:56
Speaker 11: mean he hasn't made mistakes or the police haven't made
30:59
Speaker 11: mistake And there was clearly an issue with police resourcing
31:02
Speaker 11: that night. Not to come in on those individual officers,
31:05
Speaker 11: but the police resourcing. There should have been more police
31:08
Speaker 11: at the high risk kunn Of event. But you look
31:11
Speaker 11: at the Premier's instinct compared to the prime ministers. You know,
31:15
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister only called a Royal commission when he
31:17
Speaker 11: was backed into a corner. He only apologized when he
31:21
Speaker 11: was suffering or crashing in the polls. The Premier's natural
31:26
Speaker 11: instinct is to stand with the Jewish community.
31:28
Speaker 2: The contrast quite strike quite stark well. That documentary Just
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Speaker 2: Again Bondai A Timeline of Terror is on Tuesday, February
31:37
Speaker 2: twenty four at seven thirty pm. It's a ninety minute special,
31:40
Speaker 2: no ad breaks and that you will not want to
31:43
Speaker 2: miss it. Sherry Marks, and thanks for joining me.
31:45
Speaker 1: I wish yould have you back on the program. Well,
31:47
Speaker 1: thank you for having.
31:48
Speaker 11: Me I program.
31:49
Speaker 2: No you've you're back behind the desk next Wednesday. Excel
31:54
Speaker 2: viewers will be very happy.
31:55
Speaker 11: No not at all. They have absolutely adored your hosting.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, great, thank you.
32:01
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break when
32:03
Speaker 2: we come back. The Liberal Party crisis is so bad
32:06
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott and Christopher Pine have both felt the need
32:08
Speaker 2: to inject themselves into it. Julian Lisa joins me next. Well,
32:16
Speaker 2: back to the ongoing coalition turmoil. National's leader David little
32:19
Speaker 2: Proud has knocked back a meeting with Opposition leader Susan
32:22
Speaker 2: Lee as she tries to revive the coalition relationship ahead
32:25
Speaker 2: of Parliament returning. At the same time, the Liberal Party's
32:29
Speaker 2: internal leadership tensions are ramping up, with Tony Abbott and
32:32
Speaker 2: Christopher Pine now weighing in with their respective factions to
32:36
Speaker 2: try and get this miss resolved. Joining me now is
32:39
Speaker 2: Shadow Education and Early Learning Minister Julian Lessa. Julian, what
32:43
Speaker 2: do you take from Little Proud knocking back a meeting
32:46
Speaker 2: with your leader Susan Lee.
32:49
Speaker 12: Well, the National Party is obviously having a ballot for
32:52
Speaker 12: its leadership and they need to deal with those issues
32:57
Speaker 12: first and foremost, and those that issue that the National
33:00
Speaker 12: Party has to deal with them. I'm looking forward to
33:03
Speaker 12: going back to parliament next week because in Parliament the
33:06
Speaker 12: issues won't be these side issues. They will be front
33:10
Speaker 12: and center. The cost of living crisis that's been created
33:13
Speaker 12: by this government, a government that this week released inflation
33:16
Speaker 12: figures that show the core inflation had risen to three
33:19
Speaker 12: point four percent. Australians are paying more for everything in
33:22
Speaker 12: my portfolio. Education has gone up in terms of costs
33:26
Speaker 12: five point six percent, childcare has gone up eleven percent.
33:30
Speaker 12: So we know the cost of energy has gone up,
33:32
Speaker 12: the cost of housing has gone up to we're likely
33:35
Speaker 12: to have an interest rate rise which is going to
33:37
Speaker 12: put pressure on Australian families and Australian businesses. That's what
33:41
Speaker 12: your viewers want us to focus on. That's what the
33:44
Speaker 12: Australian public wants us to focus on. That's what I'm
33:46
Speaker 12: focused on.
33:47
Speaker 2: And it would be great to focus on those, but
33:49
Speaker 2: it's hard to focus on it when Susan Lee's got
33:52
Speaker 2: vacancies in her shadow front bench. The Nationals have no
33:56
Speaker 2: shadow front bench at all, so it seems like a
34:00
Speaker 2: bit of a hard half asked attempt to hold the
34:03
Speaker 2: government to account when your own house is in disarray.
34:06
Speaker 2: Last night, Tony Abbott told Liberal members at a book
34:09
Speaker 2: signing quote, we need a leader. This is the Liberal
34:12
Speaker 2: Party who has at least some points of difference and
34:15
Speaker 2: we need to do it quick or we're dead in
34:17
Speaker 2: the water.
34:18
Speaker 1: Is Tony Abbott right?
34:20
Speaker 12: We have a leader in Susan Lee who has my
34:22
Speaker 12: unequivocal support. And I'll tell you why she has my
34:25
Speaker 12: unequivocal support, James, because we've had, as you've been discussing
34:29
Speaker 12: with Sharry Marks and an anti Semitism crisis in this country.
34:32
Speaker 12: Susan Lee was the person that called for the Parliament
34:35
Speaker 12: to be returned to deal with the anti Semitism crisis.
34:38
Speaker 12: It was Susan Lee who led our party to doing
34:42
Speaker 12: exactly the right thing here, not just waiving the legislation through,
34:46
Speaker 12: nor just opposing you outright, but working to make a
34:49
Speaker 12: better bill, a bill that allows us to ban hate
34:54
Speaker 12: groups like his book Torea, radical Islamist groups, Neo Nazis,
34:58
Speaker 12: and boot hate preachers.
35:00
Speaker 4: Next week in the.
35:00
Speaker 12: Parliament, we're going to be asking the government how many
35:03
Speaker 12: hate preachers have you booted from this country? When are
35:06
Speaker 12: you going to list his poot to rear, When are
35:08
Speaker 12: you going to list Nazi organizations and disrupt their activities
35:11
Speaker 12: Susan Lee has taken the leadership that has been so
35:14
Speaker 12: lacking from the prime minister, a prime minister that Matilda's
35:18
Speaker 12: parents say has betrayed our country. Australia faces serious times
35:23
Speaker 12: and Susan Lee has provided the serious leadership that Australia
35:26
Speaker 12: needs today and that's why I continue to back her unequivocally.
35:29
Speaker 1: So Tony Abbott's comments, were they helpful?
35:33
Speaker 12: Well, I'm telling you what I think of the leadership
35:36
Speaker 12: of the Liberal Party.
35:37
Speaker 1: What do you think about? What do you think about?
35:39
Speaker 2: What do you think about Tony Abbott jumping in and
35:42
Speaker 2: having his input? Is his comments welcome or should he
35:45
Speaker 2: butt out?
35:46
Speaker 12: Look, I think we've got a leader James who's demonstrated
35:49
Speaker 12: a clear point of difference in relation to her handling
35:52
Speaker 12: of a national crisis as compared to the Prime Minister
35:55
Speaker 12: of this country who's had to be dragged, kicking and
35:58
Speaker 12: screaming at every point to deal with the anti Semitism
36:02
Speaker 12: that Australia has been facing it and has run our
36:05
Speaker 12: economy into the sand.
36:06
Speaker 6: I mean.
36:06
Speaker 12: Susan Lee gave a terrific speech at the Etcetera at
36:09
Speaker 12: the Center of Economic Development last year where she talked
36:12
Speaker 12: about the need for us to return to discipline financial management,
36:17
Speaker 12: where she talked about the return the need for US
36:19
Speaker 12: to return to pursuing policies of tax cuts into regulation
36:23
Speaker 12: and industrial relations reform. These are orthodox Liberal Party policies.
36:29
Speaker 12: They are real point of difference with the government. That's
36:32
Speaker 12: the agenda Susan is prosecuting. That's the agenda I'm prosecuting,
36:36
Speaker 12: and I look forward to us prosecuting it with renewed
36:39
Speaker 12: vigor as the Parliament returns next week.
36:41
Speaker 2: Julian, just before I let you go, I believe you've
36:44
Speaker 2: written to New South Wales Police asking them to ban
36:48
Speaker 2: protests during the visit of Israel's president to Australia next month.
36:53
Speaker 1: Is that right? And can you elaborate?
36:56
Speaker 12: So that's right, James. I haven't asked them to ban
36:58
Speaker 12: protests altogether. But while I have said is that we
37:01
Speaker 12: can't have the Jewish community re traumatized after Bondi, And
37:05
Speaker 12: so the idea that protesters would go to Bondi, or
37:08
Speaker 12: would go and protest outside synagogues, or would protest outside
37:12
Speaker 12: Jewish communal institutions is just on Australian and I think
37:16
Speaker 12: at a time where the Jewish community is grieving to
37:19
Speaker 12: see these protests as an insult. I think people need
37:22
Speaker 12: to have a right to protest, but they need to
37:25
Speaker 12: have some respect for their fellow Australians and so I've
37:28
Speaker 12: asked the New South Wales Police Commissioner to exercise his
37:31
Speaker 12: powers to ban protests from Bondye banned protests from outside
37:35
Speaker 12: synagogues and banned protests from outside Jewish communal bodies during
37:39
Speaker 12: the visit of the President of Israel.
37:41
Speaker 2: Have you had any response and what do you expect
37:43
Speaker 2: the response will be.
37:44
Speaker 12: I haven't had any response, but I hope the Police
37:47
Speaker 12: Commissioner and the New South Wales government put the safety
37:50
Speaker 12: of law abiding Australians first and foremost.
37:54
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa always appreciate talking to you. Thanks so much
37:56
Speaker 2: for your time tonight. Well still to come. Australia coal
38:00
Speaker 2: and gas exporting superpower could end up fighting over scraps
38:05
Speaker 2: at home. Macro Business Chief economist Leith Van Nosalin will
38:09
Speaker 2: join me next to discuss whether we're heading into an
38:11
Speaker 2: energy hunger games that's in a moment.
38:17
Speaker 1: Well inflation just won't go away.
38:19
Speaker 2: And some economists say it might be Canberra spending too
38:22
Speaker 2: much money too fast. Macro Business Chief economist Leith Keith, sorry,
38:27
Speaker 2: Leith van Nosoalin says rising government deficits are adding demand
38:31
Speaker 2: to an economy that's already running hot, keeping prices and
38:34
Speaker 2: interest rates higher for longer, and he joins me, now, Leith,
38:38
Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Is government spending now the main
38:41
Speaker 2: reason inflation won't come down. Most people are taking that position,
38:45
Speaker 2: aren't they.
38:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly, it's a massive driver. So public demand, just
38:49
Speaker 8: government spending is tracking at a record high share of
38:52
Speaker 8: GDP outside the pandemic, and most of the jobs and
38:54
Speaker 8: economic growth that's been recorded over the last three years
38:57
Speaker 8: has been driven by public spending. So basically, we've got
39:00
Speaker 8: Australi's governments, both state and federal. They're running expansory budgets
39:03
Speaker 8: into an economy that's experiencing supply constraints, and this excess
39:07
Speaker 8: demands basically driving up inflation as reflected, and this is
39:11
Speaker 8: inflected in high administered price inflations that's sort of inflation
39:15
Speaker 8: that's set by government or regulated decisions. That was up
39:18
Speaker 8: seven point six percent last year. So we've got this problem.
39:23
Speaker 8: We're by Australia's inflation's homegrown and it's largely been driven
39:26
Speaker 8: by loose fiscal policy, And I'd also argue energy policy
39:29
Speaker 8: failures because we've basically got obviously this ramp and energy
39:33
Speaker 8: cost inflation that's been built into the economy now, and
39:35
Speaker 8: that's feeding right across the supply chain. So instead of
39:38
Speaker 8: attacking the RBA, we should be attacking our governments for
39:42
Speaker 8: basically not running tight fiscal ships and also for their
39:46
Speaker 8: policy failures around energy.
39:48
Speaker 2: So most people are tipping a rate rise in the
39:51
Speaker 2: near future, can you sort of see a bit further
39:56
Speaker 2: into the future. Should people be bracing for high rates
40:00
Speaker 2: for quite a bit longer?
40:02
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so. Look, Look, certainly, whether we get
40:04
Speaker 8: one or two more rate rises, you know, itmains to
40:06
Speaker 8: be seen. But I think we'll get at least one
40:09
Speaker 8: or two. But based on the structure of the economy
40:11
Speaker 8: that we've got now, I can't see rates coming down
40:13
Speaker 8: anytime soon after that. And part of that's because of
40:16
Speaker 8: this energy story. So obviously the energy build subjects are
40:19
Speaker 8: rolling off, and that means that we'll have this constant
40:22
Speaker 8: upward pressure on inflation for the next year. And then
40:25
Speaker 8: of course we've got this ongoing inflation problem with gas
40:28
Speaker 8: rising gas prices and electricity prices to rise because of
40:31
Speaker 8: the renewable situation, etc. And US wanting to close down
40:34
Speaker 8: based load coal. So we've got this long term structural
40:37
Speaker 8: energy cost inflation that's can to be built in the economy,
40:40
Speaker 8: which is going to pose a headache for the Reserve Bank.
40:43
Speaker 2: All right, Well, speaking of energy, Australia as one of
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Speaker 2: the world's biggest exporters of coal and gas, but we're
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Speaker 2: staring down the barrel of an energy scarce future. The
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Speaker 2: renewables build is stored well short of what's needed, just
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Speaker 2: as demand is surging from things like data center's population growth.
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Speaker 2: Not to mention summer, you say we're sleepwalking into an
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Speaker 2: energy hunger games your phrase. I'm not sure whether to
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Speaker 2: be excited or petrified.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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Speaker 8: I think we should all be pretty alarmed. So Australia's
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Speaker 8: population growth is projected to grow by around fifty percent
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Speaker 8: over the next forty years. Now, obviously, if we have
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Speaker 8: thirteen and a half million more households, we're going to
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Speaker 8: need about fifty percent more energy for those households. It's
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Speaker 8: just basic math. And at the same time we're rolling out,
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Speaker 8: you know, dozens of data centers to be built they're
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Speaker 8: very energy hungry and water hungry, and we're going to
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Speaker 8: need desalination plans to cope with the growing population and
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Speaker 8: these data centers which need water and perhaps reduced rainfall.
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Speaker 8: So all those things need a lot of energy. But
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Speaker 8: at the same time, our government's in the infinite wisdom
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Speaker 8: want to shut down all of Australia's reliable base load
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Speaker 8: coal power, which despite the fact that we export about
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Speaker 8: seven times more cold for the rest of the world
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Speaker 8: that we use ourselves. So I just can't see how
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Speaker 8: we're going to make this equation work whereby we're going
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Speaker 8: to have soaring demand through population growth, data centers, desalination plans,
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Speaker 8: those sorts of things, at the same time as you
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Speaker 8: want to shut down our only source of twenty four
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Speaker 8: to seven stable power that's relatively cheap, which is coal.
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Speaker 8: It just doesn't work, James.
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Speaker 2: So how did we screw up our country so quickly?
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Speaker 2: We're exporting energy but running short at home. How do
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Speaker 2: we get to such a ridiculous situation?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, pure policy failure. So, as I said, we export
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Speaker 8: about seven times more coal than we use, you export
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Speaker 8: four times more gas than we use. We have about
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Speaker 8: thirty percent of the world's uranium. Based on those numbers,
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Speaker 8: we should have some of the cheapest electricity in the world,
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Speaker 8: and in fact, we used to have some of the
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Speaker 8: cheapest electricity in the world. But because of this net
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Speaker 8: zero fetish, you know, we're happy to sell the stuff
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Speaker 8: to the rest of the world to use, but not
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Speaker 8: happy to use ourselves. And as a result, we're going
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Speaker 8: to drive up the cost of energy. We're ultimately going
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Speaker 8: to de industrialize our country and just have a less diversified,
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Speaker 8: more expensive, and less secure economy as a result.
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Speaker 1: Well, you may have just anticipated my final question.
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Speaker 2: We pretty much guarantee the future of blackouts and price shocks.
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Speaker 1: Is that now inevitable? Yeah?
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Speaker 8: I think so. So what happened this week in South
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Speaker 8: Australia is that we obviously had some very hot weather
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Speaker 8: and South Australia closed their coal generator in twenty sixteen
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Speaker 8: and as a result they were very short of power
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Speaker 8: and their power costs soared and they only barreled out
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Speaker 8: because they could import power from Victoria, which uses brown coal.
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Speaker 8: But what happens to the country when we're all South
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Speaker 8: Australia and all of our coal is shut down and
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Speaker 8: we have a wind drought or this. You know at
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Speaker 8: nighttime when demand peaks, the sun's gone down, and then
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Speaker 8: we have a wind drought. Where's up hower going to
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Speaker 8: come from? And you know they often argue we can
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Speaker 8: build out batteries, but there isn't enough batteries that we
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Speaker 8: can build to possibly cover what we need, especially during
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Speaker 8: winter and these peak periods. So we're going to We're
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Speaker 8: suffering from a hunger games future. I'm afraid what an
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Speaker 8: absolute mess. Leaf and Onsolan, thanks so much for filling
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Speaker 8: us in.
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Speaker 2: All right, Still to come, Labors on the brink of
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Speaker 2: another nasty internal blow up, this time over the visit
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Speaker 2: by Israel's president. Jewish Labor and Labor Friends of Palestina
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Speaker 2: at odds and today the senior front bencher was very
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Speaker 2: reluctant to say that Israel's president was welcome here. Former
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Speaker 2: Labor Minister Mike Kelly will join me after this. Multicultural
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Speaker 2: Affairs Minister and Ali slam Scott Morrison for damaging social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: With his comments on Islam.
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Speaker 2: But when the government's most senior Muslim MP was asked
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Speaker 2: on ABC Radio this morning if she welcomed Israel's president
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Speaker 2: visiting Australia, social cohesion didn't seem so important.
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Speaker 6: Do you welcome President Herzog's visit?
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Speaker 5: Well, President Herkok Herzog, sorry, was invited in the aftermath
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Speaker 5: of the Bondai attacks, as is protocol.
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Speaker 6: Do you welcome the visit?
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Speaker 5: I think, as I said, he was invited.
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Speaker 6: Will you be welcoming him? Is this a welcome visit?
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Speaker 5: He was invited for the Bondai terror for the victims
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Speaker 5: of the Bondi terror attack, and that is protocol.
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Speaker 2: Sally Now, late this afternoon she put out a statement
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Speaker 2: saying our country needs to come together in unity and
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Speaker 2: I welcome anything that assists that process. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: is co convener of Labor Friends of Israel, former Labor
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Speaker 2: Minister Mike Kelly.
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Speaker 1: Mike, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: What did you think of ann Ali's refusal to endorse
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Speaker 2: the Israeli president's visit?
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Speaker 1: Good evening, James.
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Speaker 13: Look, clearly, everybody in the labor movement at the moment
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Speaker 13: is under this enormous pressure to effectively give in to
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Speaker 13: those who are advocating the elimination of free speech in
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Speaker 13: our country. You know, there was such a big pile
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Speaker 13: on when it came to the Adelaide Writers' festival, advocating
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Speaker 13: for free speech, and yet at every turn, these people,
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Speaker 13: these groups, these organization, this propaganda machine attempts to eliminate
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Speaker 13: free speech in this country. And the irony is, of course,
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Speaker 13: Anne's a friend of mine. I know she's spoke to
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Speaker 13: me about the sort of abuse she's copped from Islamist
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Speaker 13: extremist and fundamentalists as a liberated professional woman. And the
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Speaker 13: irony is that it's a Hertzog is a progressive person
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Speaker 13: from the labor movement. This is a guy who's campaigned
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Speaker 13: on gay rights in Israel and has engaged in activities
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Speaker 13: around climate change, all this sort of stuff, all the
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Speaker 13: progressive side of politics and activities. And so these people
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Speaker 13: that are trying to prevent him from come from coming
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Speaker 13: here are the sort of people that would welcome with
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Speaker 13: open arms genocideal Islamo fascist, medieval people who would deny
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Speaker 13: women's rights, deny the LGBTQI community's rights, would pour kerosene
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Speaker 13: on the fires of those in our community that have
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Speaker 13: had their minds poisoned in relation to our Jewish community. So,
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Speaker 13: you know, the imbalance here is stark. It's just this incredible,
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Speaker 13: putrid rank hypocrisy, and the pressure and assaults they apply
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Speaker 13: to people in the labor movement particularly, and attempts to
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Speaker 13: take over the labor movement is deeply disturbing, and it's
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Speaker 13: now developed into a seam of really nasty antisemitism that
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Speaker 13: the ALP must eradicate. And I've watched this and observed
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Speaker 13: this on ALP chat groups and comments, and it's deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 13: These these comments reflect some of the oldest anti Semitic
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Speaker 13: tropes that we've seen in history, and it just has
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Speaker 13: to stop.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: What's the objection from those within labor to the president's visit.
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Speaker 13: Look, they seem to think that anybody from Israel, it
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Speaker 13: doesn't matter who they are, are going to be evildoers
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Speaker 13: and genocidal maniacs, etc. Playing into the really systematic propaganda
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Speaker 13: campaign that's been run and really amplified ever since the
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Speaker 13: seventh of October. But they're swung into gears straight away.
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Speaker 13: It was highly orchestrated, highly organized, and so their attempts
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Speaker 13: is to deny any legitimacy, any acceptance of anybody effectively
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Speaker 13: from Israel, notwithstanding who they might be, whether they're peace activists,
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Speaker 13: whether they're people from the progressive side, of Israel in Herzog.
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Speaker 13: It doesn't matter. This demon and it's the old Natangas.
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Speaker 2: So right, Mike Kelly, you are so right. The hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: is just incredible. I'm sorry that's all we've got time for,
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Speaker 2: but appreciate you joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd love you to join me Sunday night at
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Speaker 2: eight pm for the launch of my new show, The
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Speaker 2: McPherson Angle. But right now, here's Paul Murray.