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Do Air Ducts Really Cause Dust? Plus Painting Tips from the Pros · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, thanks for tuning in. You're listening to Home
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  Speaker 1: in Progress by Recolite Paint sponsored by Benjamin Moore. And
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  Speaker 1: this week's going to be a rerun. How's that for
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  Speaker 1: starting off the show? It's a rerun. But before you
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  Speaker 1: flip it off, it's a good flip it off, before
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  Speaker 1: you turn off the channel, switch off the radio. It's
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  Speaker 1: a better way to explain that, or to use that
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  Speaker 1: phrase anyway, before you do any of those things. It
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  Speaker 1: is a good rerun. It's one of my favorite interviews
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  Speaker 1: that I'm playing. But I do also want to take
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  Speaker 1: a minute and explain the reason for the rerun. I've
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  Speaker 1: talked in the past, over and over about my Golden
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  Speaker 1: retriever Maggie. You know, she sheds a lot. We've talked
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  Speaker 1: about that, she's eaten bumblebees and had allergic reactions that
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  Speaker 1: really freaked us out. We talked about that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: on and on and on. But I'm sure in all
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  Speaker 1: of that you've clued into the fact that we adore her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's the sweetest dog I've ever owned. She's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely a beautiful soul. Well, she's been feeling off for
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  Speaker 1: the last little bit, obviously serious, just off, and we've
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  Speaker 1: been keeping an eye on her. Now, last week my
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  Speaker 1: son noticed something. You know, he's with her more than
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  Speaker 1: everybody else's, and we ended up bringing her to an
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  Speaker 1: emergency VAT last week Saturday. Nothing really came of that,
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  Speaker 1: and we thought we were good. But then on this
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  Speaker 1: past Thursday, we noticed more things. We brought her back
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  Speaker 1: to the VAT, and long story short, she's got fluid
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  Speaker 1: around her heart and they're looking as I record this,
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  Speaker 1: for cancer. That's what they're doing. They're doing that literally
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  Speaker 1: as I'm recording this this little open right now. By
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  Speaker 1: the time this show airs, you know, and you're hearing
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  Speaker 1: it this morning, you know, Saturday morning, we'll know the
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  Speaker 1: scoop and we'll be dealing with those results, whatever they are.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be walking through that and figured it out. You know, dogs,
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  Speaker 1: pets in general. You know, animals, I know, from some
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  Speaker 1: incredible high and lofty place, we can look at them
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  Speaker 1: and say they're just animals. You know, they're just animals
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  Speaker 1: and all of that. You know, we shouldn't be that
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  Speaker 1: attached to them. It's just just an animal. But man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Maggie's been a beautiful, integral part of our
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  Speaker 1: family for nine years and nine years seems like forever, right,
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a long time, and it is. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not nearly enough. She's it's just not nearly enough.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I probably don't need to say more. I
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  Speaker 1: probably can't. It's not gonna go well anyway. All of
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  Speaker 1: that happened as I was writing and recording and researching
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  Speaker 1: the new show for the week, and I ended up
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  Speaker 1: having to go sit with her, sit with the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the family, and try to just figure out what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. So I couldn't get to finishing the show.
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  Speaker 1: So this week I'm playing a rerun and we'll be
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  Speaker 1: back next week with new stuff. So thanks for understanding.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, On the show today, I'm gonna be sitting
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  Speaker 1: down and talking with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting.
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  Speaker 1: He's one of our painting contractors. He's a regular listener
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  Speaker 1: of the show, and we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: everything from you know, how his company got it start,
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  Speaker 1: to his go to paint choice for walls, to his
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  Speaker 1: tips and tricks for getting great results when painting cabinets
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  Speaker 1: and tons more. All of that is coming up. Lots
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  Speaker 1: of good stuff, but for right now, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get to a topic that I kind of started last week.
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  Speaker 1: I promised that i'd get to this last week, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm delivering on that promise. For regular listeners, you may
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  Speaker 1: remember that I talked about all the dust in my
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  Speaker 1: home last week. In fact, when you think about it,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a regular listener, you have heard so many
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  Speaker 1: negative things about my home that you got to wonder
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  Speaker 1: how we stay, you know, alive in that place. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about mice and spider infestations and dust and
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  Speaker 1: you name it. I mean, nobody's ever going to buy
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  Speaker 1: my house, you know, nobody who listens on the radio,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to you know, they'll know that if they
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  Speaker 1: do buy it, it's just got to be raised to
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  Speaker 1: the ground or burnt to the ground, and then you
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  Speaker 1: build on the ashes. It's not that bad. I just
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  Speaker 1: tend to exaggerate a little bit for drama on the radio.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, I talked about all of that. That's neither
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  Speaker 1: here nor there. I'm getting sidetracked. Anyway. My main point
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  Speaker 1: last week was to talk about all that dust, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and why some homes have so much dust, and then
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  Speaker 1: also of course dig into ways to minimize it. Now
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  Speaker 1: if you miss that and you are dealing with dust,
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  Speaker 1: go check it out. You can find the podcast wherever
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  Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, or you can find it online
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  Speaker 1: at repcolit dot com. Just click the on the radio
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  Speaker 1: tab right there on the homepage. Check it out. But
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  Speaker 1: one of the potential fixes in dealing with dust, one
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  Speaker 1: of the potential fixes is obviously to have somebody come
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  Speaker 1: out and clean your air ducts out. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: that was my first first thought, you know, when I
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  Speaker 1: was assessing the situation, I just need to get the
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  Speaker 1: ducks cleaned out. I had a ton of people tell
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  Speaker 1: me that's the solution, just get the ducks cleaned out.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not inexpensive, and it does, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: expense makes me curious. The feedback is amongst people who've
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  Speaker 1: done it. So I did a lot of research. I
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  Speaker 1: asked for input from listeners and I've gathered a ton
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  Speaker 1: of anecdotal evidence that I'm going to compile here. And
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  Speaker 1: I know this is anecdotal, so do with that what
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  Speaker 1: you want, but I still think it's really helpful. So
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  Speaker 1: after doing all of that research asking for input from listeners,
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  Speaker 1: here's what I've got. Most people who've had their ducks
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  Speaker 1: cleaned don't experience the game changing dust elimination that they
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  Speaker 1: thought they were going to experience. Now, it's not to
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  Speaker 1: say it's not worth doing. For example, plenty of people
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  Speaker 1: reported that a lot of visible gunk was pulled out
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  Speaker 1: of their ducks, you know, pet hair, construction debris, decades
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  Speaker 1: of build up. You know. They said they knew all
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  Speaker 1: that junk came out of their ducks, and that made
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  Speaker 1: them feel better about their home, but they were still
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  Speaker 1: a little bummed to find that they still had dust
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  Speaker 1: settling on surfaces throughout the home even after the ducks
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  Speaker 1: were cleaned. Other people had a slightly different experience. They
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  Speaker 1: said that the removal of all that gunk from their
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  Speaker 1: ducks did help reduce the dust, but still a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these folks went on to say that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a game changer. You know, that was the word they used.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a game changer. So what does that mean? Well,
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  Speaker 1: after digging into it, this is what they were feeling.
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  Speaker 1: They had what they called a short term win from this.
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  Speaker 1: One person in particular explained that he had six months
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  Speaker 1: or so, you know, of less dust accumulating on furniture
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  Speaker 1: and floors and stuff. Another person echoed that, so they
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  Speaker 1: had that same type of experience, and they also said
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  Speaker 1: the house smelt cleaner for you know, about six months
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  Speaker 1: or so, But even those folks saw the dust grow
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  Speaker 1: again as time went on. So what's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 1: Is it worth it? Well, the general consensus is that
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  Speaker 1: people who suffer with allergies definitely feel that the air
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  Speaker 1: quality in their home improved after duct cleaning. Also, people
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  Speaker 1: who just completed a renovation or who've got a number
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  Speaker 1: of pets in their home, especially heavy shedding pets. If
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  Speaker 1: they've got pets in the home, they also feel that
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  Speaker 1: the duct cleaning had a worthwhile effect on the dust
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  Speaker 1: situation in their home. Positive in that regard. Now, with
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  Speaker 1: that said, for the most part, most people who've done it,
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  Speaker 1: including those people, don't feel that it's an essential maintenance
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  Speaker 1: step for every single home. They feel its situational. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you know, the ducks in your home are in
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  Speaker 1: bad shape with lots of build up, lots of pet hair, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: then it can definitely be a part of the process
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  Speaker 1: of removing dust from your home, and it probably should
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  Speaker 1: be a part of removing you know, the dust from
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  Speaker 1: your home. But don't go in thinking that it's a
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  Speaker 1: silver bullet. In most situations, the dust isn't coming solely
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  Speaker 1: from this source, from your ducks, and because of that,
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  Speaker 1: cleaning just this source isn't going to remove all of
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  Speaker 1: the dust that you're dealing with. If you go into
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  Speaker 1: it knowing what it's going to do for you, you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be frustrated. You're not going to have your
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  Speaker 1: expectations shattered. Best thing I can tell you, I think
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  Speaker 1: is what I told you last week. By one of
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  Speaker 1: those cheap snake cameras online and little snake cameras, you
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  Speaker 1: can run it right down into the ducks. They're like
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  Speaker 1: thirty to fifty bucks somewhere in that range. You can
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  Speaker 1: view what the camera is seeing on your phone. Some
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  Speaker 1: of them have little monitors. Run it into the duct
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  Speaker 1: work at your home. See what you've got. If it's
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  Speaker 1: overloaded with all kinds of goodies, it's probably worth getting
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  Speaker 1: a crew out there to at least give you an estimate.
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  Speaker 1: But even if you do that, even if you have
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  Speaker 1: the ducks clean, remember that dust from skin fabric and
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  Speaker 1: outdoor infiltration keeps coming back into the home unless you
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  Speaker 1: deal with those issues as well. And some of them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, dust from skin. Uh, not many ways to
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  Speaker 1: get around that. It's just going to be a continual
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  Speaker 1: thing unless you decide to not live in your home.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you could seal it off and keep everybody out.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that would work anyway, Hopefully that gives you a
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  Speaker 1: better understanding of the benefits and the limitations of duct cleaning.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. When we come back,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be in the studio with Keegan Summers from Vivid
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  Speaker 1: want to play a portion of a conversation that I
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  Speaker 1: had earlier this week with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting.
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  Speaker 1: And I love these contractor interviews you know, not only
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  Speaker 1: do we talk about products and painting tips and all
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  Speaker 1: hiring a pro, you know, to come out to your
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  Speaker 1: one right now, what I'm going to play is just
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  Speaker 1: a small portion of the full conversation, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good stuff. I just didn't have time to get it
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  Speaker 1: on air. So you can catch that full interview if
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  Speaker 1: for right now, here's Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting.
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  Speaker 1: So Vivid Creative Contracting, you run that. It's a family
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  Speaker 1: business though, right, it goes back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fourth generation sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk about that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I started with my great uncle who previously,
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  Speaker 2: before he got into residential painting, he worked at a
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  Speaker 2: old timey window factory where all of the windows would
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  Speaker 2: get finished with a brush and he was the guy
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  Speaker 2: in the assembly line that would brush all of the
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  Speaker 2: window sashes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, so they're just coming off the line
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  Speaker 1: and he's there brushing it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, him and quite a few other guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's also back in like the lead paint era. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But eventually he went residential and he passed it on
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  Speaker 2: to my grandfather.
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  Speaker 1: And where were you, guys? Where were they operating?
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  Speaker 2: Mostly out of Nowago County up in the Fremont area.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you exactly where that factory was, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: but most of my grandpa's work was up in Newago County,
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  Speaker 2: and we still do a bunch of our work up
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  Speaker 2: there too, for what it's worth, because we've sort of
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  Speaker 2: got that family name going for us up there. My
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  Speaker 2: grandpa passed it down to my dad, and eventually that
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  Speaker 2: passed to me about three years ago. I think I
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  Speaker 2: worked for my dad for about ten years before that,
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  Speaker 2: sort of being groomed lightly for leadership eventually, right, and
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  Speaker 2: he kind of passed on expectedly and passed it on
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  Speaker 2: to me. But yeah, there you go. I'm all right,
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  Speaker 2: fourth generation. We've been doing it for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth generation, long time of doing that. So your uncle
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  Speaker 1: worked in the window factory, he's painting. What did your
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  Speaker 1: grandpa previously do?
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  Speaker 2: He was always a painter.
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  Speaker 1: Always a painter, all right, always an they start working together,
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  Speaker 1: start doing residential and do that for a while. Your
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  Speaker 1: dad comes along, you come along. Was there ever a point,
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  Speaker 1: you know in your life when you're thinking, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go do all kinds of other things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so, I also spent two and a half years
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  Speaker 2: in college. I couldn't hack it. For a lack of
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  Speaker 2: a better.
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  Speaker 1: Term, are you pursuing, Well, you're gonna Yeah. So I
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a.
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  Speaker 2: Chemical engineer, all right, and it just wasn't for me.
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  Speaker 2: I really like working with my hands, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: feel like I was going to get that there. And
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  Speaker 2: then I went into the military for a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years in the Air Force, So I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: all over the place for a while, didn't really know
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do at first, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's safe to say that this was sort of my
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  Speaker 2: fallback at first. But despite that being the case, I
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  Speaker 2: absolutely love my job now. And I probably should have
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  Speaker 2: never went to college or the military in the first place,
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  Speaker 2: because I absolutely love what I do. I should just
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  Speaker 2: went into this from the get go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you got to you gotta reach around, you
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  Speaker 1: got to figure it out. Yeah, sure, maybe you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have loved it as much if you hadn't done those
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  Speaker 1: other things. Yeah, that could be very true, and it
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  Speaker 1: showed you that this is pretty good yet. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: military two years? What was that like?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was in the special Forces program for the
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  Speaker 2: Air Force, trying to become a pair of rescue jumper,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically a coast guard swimmer, but for things
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  Speaker 2: that are farther offshore. And they have a ninety three
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  Speaker 2: percent attrition rate of their special forces program. So I
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  Speaker 2: didn't I didn't make the ninety three percent. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: make the seventh holy smokes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so they when you if you fail out of
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  Speaker 2: the program, they try to reclash you into something else,
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  Speaker 2: give you a different job, but they get to pick
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  Speaker 2: that job. And so they wanted me to reclass into
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  Speaker 2: driving a bus around the base and I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. I think I will just take my sefforce
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  Speaker 2: package and get out of here and not have to
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  Speaker 2: be in for my last four years.
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  Speaker 1: How'd you feel about the experience? Was it a good experience? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I wouldn't complain at all. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: pretty formative for me as a twenty three year old, Like.
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  Speaker 1: In what regard. I mean, of course, in so many regards, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I maybe lacked a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: discipline prior to that, which maybe is the cliche answer,
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  Speaker 2: but hiche true, right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, And I met a lot of great guys,
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  Speaker 2: a lot that I'm still in touch with today.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't the thrown away experience. It is a
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  Speaker 1: good experience, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: No regrets.
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  Speaker 1: So you got college for a couple of years, chemical
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  Speaker 1: engineer you're pursuing, then you think, okay, that's right, isn't right?
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  Speaker 1: Then you went into the military and then okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna drive a bus, right, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: do it, and then you fall back on this painting career. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and no regrets in that regard. You said that, no regrets,
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  Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, like, oh man, I could have been
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  Speaker 1: I could have done, but now I'm doing this feels
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  Speaker 1: good to you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all?
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  Speaker 1: What about it? I mean like, like, okay, so everybody
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  Speaker 1: wants to have meaning, We want to want to find oh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, going in the same place that I was
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  Speaker 2: going to go to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you know sometimes it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: the meaning is there's a paycheck and I can do
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  Speaker 1: what I want to do and sometimes and I think
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  Speaker 1: that the most fulfilling careers, of course, are the ones
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  Speaker 1: where we feel like I'm doing something. How do you feel.
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  Speaker 2: About Yeah, right, I don't think it's about a paycheck
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  Speaker 2: at all. Of course, I'm like the sole income learner
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  Speaker 2: for my family, so it is a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: the paycheck, of course.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's always nice to say I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about that. It's about the people and the work, and
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  Speaker 1: of course it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: How to make money too. But I think you're right
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  Speaker 2: that jobs are the most enjoyable when you can find
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  Speaker 2: some sense of meaning in them, and I think most
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  Speaker 2: of that meaning tends to come from when you are
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  Speaker 2: doing something for other people. Like I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of doctors and nurses would say they have fulfilling careers
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  Speaker 2: because they are directly impacting the health and lives of
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  Speaker 2: other people. And so I sort of frame my job
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  Speaker 2: as I am making a small positive impact in your
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  Speaker 2: life that is lasting though. Right when I come in
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: and I repaint your entire interior, that's something that you
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: get to live with for the next five, ten, fifteen years,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: depending on how Joesy, you are about getting new colors
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: every so often, right, But you enjoy your life more
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: war the sake that I have been there and made
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: that space into your own space, your home as opposed
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: to what you bought that home as right.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I work in the paint store. I
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: went to school. I was going to be a teacher,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: So I went to college for four years. I'm going
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: to be a teacher. Then that just wasn't right, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't go very far into that. That's not right.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: So I switched gears, and I was going to be
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a pastor, all right, So I went to a seminary
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: for a year, and that didn't seem right. And the money,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it was very expensive. Sure, So okay, I'm not sure.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a break here for a little
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: bit and try to figure this out for sure, before
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I spend that much money on a career and ended
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: up you know, I got married, we had kids really quickly,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: twins right off the bat, and I ended up working
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: at Repcolite. And it was such a letdown in a
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: way because I'm working a paint store. You know, I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: was going to do all these big things and I
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: remember this is just it's a ridiculous story for me.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: But I was doing plumbing one weekend at home.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not a plumber at all.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Struggle and it was supposed to be something simple, and
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it's just I cannot get this thing to stop leaking.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I can't. I put it back together, it leaks. Take
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it apart, put it back together. It leaks over and
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over. Eventually
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm yelling at the kids, you know, because it's stressing
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: me out. The day is ticking away. I've gone to
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the store four times, to a big box store, just
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: grabbed the stuff I thought I needed. Couldn't make it work.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: The stress was horrible. I'm fighting with everybody in the house.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I finally last ditch, I got a run and just
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: see once what I'm missing.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Go to a.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Hardware store where they actually caught me and said what
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: are you doing? I said, I just need some No,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing, because they could tell I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: was stressed, right, I told him what I'm doing. The
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: guy said, do you have this thing? What this thing?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And he shows me. I don't remember what it was,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and I brought I didn't. I brought it home, put
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that on that was the thing, this piece that I
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: was missing to make it work. And I realized that
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: guy works this simple job, you know, he's just working
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: a hardware store, and yet he made my whole weekend.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: He saved my weekend. He saved the children from whatever
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: would have been coming if we'd had no plumbing for
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend because of me. And I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: realized I can do that in the paint store with
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you know, helping people find the right tools, the right paint,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the right So all of a sudden, there's meaning to that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So I completely get what you're feeling like in a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: sense because you go into their homes and it's just
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: whatever they bought, it's somebody else's something they pick colors.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's easy to I think it's easy
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: to overlook all of those small impacts that you have
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: on people's lives. But also I think it's pretty important
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: for your mental health to remember those small impacts that
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you're making on people's lives whenever possible. It makes you
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: feel good about yourself, It makes you feel worthwhile, make
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you feel like you're doing something important.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Well, And I think, yeah, that's the beauty of I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: mean really if you can find that, and it's there,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I think in most careers, most jobs, you know, there
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: is that. If you can find that, there's a lot
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of fulfillment that comes from no matter what you're doing,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because it's not so much about what I'm doing, it's
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: about who I'm impacting and how I'm impacting that.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: All right, let's pause the conversation right there and take
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be back in a few minutes
• 19:07
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• 19:14
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• 19:18
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• 19:21
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• 19:24
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• 19:27
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• 19:30
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• 19:35
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• 19:37
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• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But for now, let's get back to the conversation with Keegan.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So thinking about painters, you know, shifting gears just a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: little bit. What do people get wrong about painters?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, I think that a lot of people underestimates
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the amount of knowledge that goes into the job. A
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: lot of people feel I could paint my bedroom this weekend,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and you're right. You can't paint your bedroom this weekend.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And it's just going to take you significantly longer than
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: me because I've got a process down that I've honed
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: over many years to be able to do it very quickly.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And you also don't know the products that are available
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to you. And certainly the paint store guys can help
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: with that and direct you in the right direction if
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you go in there. But even then, a lot of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: homeowners wouldn't go into the paint store, right. They would
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: go into they would just pick up the first thing
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that they saw and not ask for advice, right, And
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: you're liable to make a lot of mistakes that way,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: because you don't know what you don't know right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Right, You don't even know how to ask for what
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you don't know unless you start with, look, yeah i'm
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: at zero here, help me with everything. But most of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the time. We don't think about that when I'm in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a place that i'm you know, auto parts, well the plumbing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to say you should rereference your plumbing
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: here exactly the same case.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: You good at this, And yeah, I didn't even know
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: what to ask for. I had no idea. What was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: so obvious, you know, when it was all over you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: now it's really obvious, but at the time, And that's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: what we see in the paint store a lot of times,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, if we you know, sometimes we'll ask a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: bad question, you know, we think of it as a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: bad question, is there anything else you need? You know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and we try to say that's that's not the best
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: question to ask. I used to ask that all the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: time in the store because of course, no, I think
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I grabbed everything I needed, But they don't even know
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: what you're missing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah, I the we do a fair amount of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: work is not a huge part of our profit, but
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: we do a fair amount of work that is well.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: We tried to paint this ourselves, and we went over
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: this old oil based trim with a latex trim paint,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and we didn't stand it or apply any sort of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: primer to help with the bonding adhesion. Now it's all
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: peeling off where we've applied it. Can you come fix it?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we can come fix that for you. But also,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: if you had just consulted with someone to learn what
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: you didn't know first, you wouldn't have been in this
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: miss So many.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Of those situations happened because you know, a homeowner, we
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: see it a lot where somebody's selling a house. You know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: they just want to get a coat of paint on everything,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: or flippers flippers, Yeah, and you just oh my goodness,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: because once it's at that point, it's it's tough to fix.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But if it's your own home, if you're even yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you're honestly you don't even know that question sometimes, but
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: just at least come into the store if you're gonna
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do it on your own, explain what you're doing and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. But I really like that. I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: think that is something that people don't realize, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that's the value. You know, people often will focus on
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the expense of bringing a painter, and I can save
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: so much money by not and yet you guys come
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in and catch all that stuff, And how much money
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: is it worth to not have all of that stuff peeling,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and not think how do I fix this? Or to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: have to bring you in later to try to fix any.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Right, I always worse to bring us in after the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: mistakes have already been made.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, what's the weirdest thing you've ever run
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: into on a job site? Not necessarily along those lines,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: but just anything, craziest thing?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Good question. Now, this one's put me on the spot
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit. The weirdest thing, Well, okay, I'm not
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: sure this is exactly where you're going with it. But
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: one time, a few years back, on the top of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a forty foot ladder a very high peak painting and exterior,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I suddenly realized that the little gable event that was
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: up there was full of bats who came swarming out
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of it as I was trying to spray the siding.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you, it's not that enjoyable to
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: have bats that are a bat in the air. Yeah,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: but maybe the ladder wasn't quite at full extension, but
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: we're certainly over thirty and there's no real I got
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to get out of the way quickly.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Here, What did you do?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I scuttled down the ladder as quick as possible, getting
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: battered in the face by a couple of few bats
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: who were flying out of their gables. And that was
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and maybe the weirdest thing that's ever happened. Yeah, I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: My kid does some exterior painting. He started doing that
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: last year. Last year's first year. Had never done any painting.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: He was the ladder guy. He got good at moving
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the ladders around and he's up there doing it. The
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: heights didn't bother him. And I got a call one
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: day or I got home one day and he was
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: telling me, oh, same not not exactly the same thing,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: but he's way up there. One bat, you know, it
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was just kind of hanging there and he painted around him,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: not around him. He was sleepy, so the bat was fine,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: didn't do anything. And then he had to go back
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and do a second coat later and the bat was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: still there and he thought, well, well, now the bat's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: ready to go, and just starts, you know, flopping around
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and clings to his leg. You know, he's got shorts on.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: The bat's climbing down his leg. He's stuck on the ladder,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just thinking what do I do? That is gross stuff.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently small world. I can't believe you came back
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: with almost the same story. Yeah, hey, well that's why
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: maybe it's more common than I think. Oh but man,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to be. That's a pretty good
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: weird thing. So you've been doing this a long time.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You probably said, how long have you been painting? Thirteen years?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Thirteen years? You do more than just painting, right, And.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't have a builder's license. I do have
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a remodeler's license from the state of Michigan. So we
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: can do basically anything that doesn't change your floor plan.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Like we can't pour, I can't pull pull permits for
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: changing the shape of your foundation. Okay, but if you
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: want us to install some cabinets or remove some cabinets,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: or put new baseboard on or window trim or any
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of the small stuff like that, we are happy to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: do that for you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: So the name works pretty well. Yeah, so you've been
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: doing it for a long time. You know, what are
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: some of your and I guess I'm probably talking about
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the paint side of things. Here. You go to tools,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: go to products. You know, you're talking to everybody from
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: contractors to di I wires, So it's always interesting to get,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you know, from a professional who uses stuff all the time.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Are their roller covers or their brushes that you really love?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Products that you love?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Sure, I'll give you a quick rundown. We use for
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: almost all walls, we use microfiber covers. Maybe they take
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a slight amount of getting used to if you're very
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: used to the other type.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Of roller covers in what regards, how's it different?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: They Well, they hold The reason I like them so
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: much is because they hold quite a bit more paint
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in them. But the rolling technique becomes a little bit
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: different because they're very apt to lose a lot of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: paint right when you first put them out of the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: wall and make those first couple of strokes in a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: way that some roller covers aren't. It just sort of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: squeezes out there pretty quickly, and so you need to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: change up your stroke technique a little bit. But as
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: compared to a woven cover, I think you can get
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: a lot farther per roller fill out of the pan,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: which maybe saves you three seconds for each roller fill,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but also three seconds thousands and thousands of times per.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Year over time. Microfiber covers.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: UH to give a product. We use scuff X for
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: all of our walls, not that I don't think that
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: there are other paints that are pretty comparable. But I've
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: worked out a great deal with the salesman to get
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: a pretty good price on my Scuffex, and it seems
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: like clients really like the I almost want to say,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the hand feel of scuff.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: X, it's crazy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It feels buttery, almost like old school oil paints, say buttery.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Buttery feels kind of buttery. Yeah, I use buttery.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: The kids pointing that out the other day, Dad, you
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: use the word butter to describe almost everything that you like.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: The butter zone. That's like the perfect zone. This was buttery.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: This went on like butter. Yeah, perfect, but it does.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Scuffex has a very different feel. Yeah, And everybody who's well,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like my mom, she paints all the time. She always did,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and she I always will and she doesn't always you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: even way before I worked at Repcolite, she just get
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: whatever she could get, you know, and she'd paint it on.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And we did scuff X at her condo and she would,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I mean for that first year, you know, every time
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: people would come over, like we'd have a get together,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: she'd you'd see her touching the wall and explaining to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: somebody feel how smooth it feels. This feels weird, doesn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It feels different. And then she did another bedroom once,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like right after she had everything done, she had to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: change that color in the bedroom. And she was just
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: crabbing about this the other day. So it's in my mind.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And she'd just grab something cheap. She was gonna do
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it herself. So I don't even yell at her anymore
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: because you can't control her. She's gonna do it her.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: She's gonna do Oh. She hated it. It didn't feel
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like scuff X. It was so ridiculous, so she had
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to repaint the whole thing with scuff X.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Really different feel.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in my mind. I'm a little bit
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: surprised sometimes how much people seem to care about that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, they do really seem to enjoy
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that feeling. You know, they run your hands on the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: wall and it feels like the bottom of a no
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: stick pin or.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It's very different. But that's where you know it's resisting scuffs. Yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: like crazy, I mean, because you see that. I mean,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it's just got to play out for the homeowner in
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a big way.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I love this stuff.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a quick break and then we'll
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: be back with the conclusion of my interview with Keegan Summers.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Stay right there. You're listening to Home in Progress, where
• 29:24
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• 29:29
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• 29:34
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• 29:47
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• 29:49
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• 29:53
  Speaker 1: my interview with Keegan Summers from Vivid Creative Contracting. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: if you did miss any part of this, remember you
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: can catch the foot uncut conversation on our YouTube channel
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: under the interviews, so go check that out. Anyway, here's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: more with Keegan Summers. So, cabinet repaints. They're a big
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: part of what you do, or at least part of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what you do.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say about forty maybe of our profits come
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: from cabinet stuff for.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: A pretty good thing. And you you reached out to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: me a couple of weeks ago and said, hey, you
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: don't talk about cabinets a whole lot on the radio.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So I thought that's pretty good idea. So I talked
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: about cabinets on the radio last weekend.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I didn't catch your show left because.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you missed out. You missed out, and you've fallen
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit in my my view of who you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: are as a person. Fair, But so I talked about them.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I talked about basically just what the process looks like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: laid out a bunch of stuff. You didn't hear it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So that's that's absolutely fair. You live this job after job,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I don't, you know. So I'm I've done them, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and I know what they're like, but I don't do
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: them forty percent of my job, you know. So what
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: kind of things, whether you cover something that I covered
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: before or not. You know, when you're thinking about like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: a DIY or tackling cabinets, what would be just a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: handful of tips that you'd give out that maybe would
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: help them avoid some mistakes and kind of lead to
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  Speaker 1: a great finish.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great, the eye wire. You are probably underestimating the
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  Speaker 2: amount of prep that you need to do those cabinets
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  Speaker 2: before you start applying even the primer to those cabinets.
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  Speaker 2: Our process once we get them back to the shop
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  Speaker 2: all to take all the doors off of whatever. Once
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  Speaker 2: we get them back is to clean them with a
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  Speaker 2: water solution like typically simple green maybe or a crudcutter
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  Speaker 2: mixed with water, because that helps remove all the food
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  Speaker 2: stuffs that might be on there that are water soluble,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of stuff is not water soluble. You
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  Speaker 2: also need to after we wash them with water, we
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  Speaker 2: wash them with denatured alcohol, which both helps the water
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  Speaker 2: get out of any pores in the wood, helps it
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  Speaker 2: evaporate up out of there that might be left there
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  Speaker 2: from before, but also dissolves a lot of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: the water isn't going to touch, specifically like the hand
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  Speaker 2: grease around the knobs where they start to eventually after
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  Speaker 2: a long time, get your gum from where you touch them,
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  Speaker 2: and then we do a third cleaning, uh for specifically
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  Speaker 2: those gummy areas, we go back with lacqu or thinner.
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  Speaker 2: It's also pretty nasty, so if you're going to use
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  Speaker 2: it in a confined space, please put a mask on.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be ventilated, yeah, well, or.
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  Speaker 2: Do it outside. Yeah, it would be even better.
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  Speaker 1: So how long are you cleaning?
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  Speaker 2: Like for a typical job, I would say that for
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  Speaker 2: like a single kitchen of let let's say it's got
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  Speaker 2: thirty cabinet doors in it or doors and drawers fronts.
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  Speaker 2: Probably the we're alyound like six hours for two of
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  Speaker 2: us just cleaning and sanding those cabinets before we ever
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  Speaker 2: get ready for paint.
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  Speaker 1: So I asked the majority of twelve hours over totally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, their family members are fanning them, trying to wake
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  Speaker 1: them up. Yeah, it's not going to get them to
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  Speaker 1: forget that that part happened and that that might be
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  Speaker 1: part of their project. Yeah, but BAT people don't buy
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  Speaker 1: into how much the prep takes. And if you don't
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  Speaker 1: do the prep, there's so much, so many problems that
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  Speaker 1: can play out down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not to toot my own horn here on how
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  Speaker 2: great of a cabinet painter I am, but doing prep
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  Speaker 2: that well and using the heighst of quality products, they
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  Speaker 2: should come out of our shop as basically brand new cabinets,
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  Speaker 2: and we charge a lot of money for that, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: That's thirty two or thirty plus odd cabinets in your
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  Speaker 2: kitchen is probably running you in the four to six
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars range, which is kind of a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of sticker shock, I think for some people.
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  Speaker 1: How much it's new cabinets.
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  Speaker 2: But new cabinets, right, you're not going to have thirty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars or more. Plus you have to live with
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  Speaker 2: the inconvenience of having all your cabinets ripped out and
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  Speaker 2: your kitchen be non functional while the new ones are
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  Speaker 2: getting installed because they'll use your cabinets while I take
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  Speaker 2: your doors off site and spray them. So we tend
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  Speaker 2: to brush and roll the styles and rails, which, again
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: if you don't know at home, are like the little
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  Speaker 2: dividers and the bottom piece of your cabinet that runs
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  Speaker 2: right underneath the color top end the bottom and frames
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  Speaker 2: out the front of the box where the doors bump.
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  Speaker 2: The ends of the boxes, though if they're exposed or
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  Speaker 2: you've got it, the end of your big pantry that
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  Speaker 2: just sticks out facing the living room, we mask those
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  Speaker 2: off in spray those with the little HVOP unit that
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  Speaker 2: we bring in there to prevent over spray. All right,
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  Speaker 2: all right, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's shift gears out of painting for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you're not painting, you're not on the
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  Speaker 1: job site doing stuff. What's life look like for you?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? What are the things that matter, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: things that you love to do?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Mostly I spend time with my kids. So you
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  Speaker 2: got how many kids I've got to One is a
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  Speaker 2: two year old and one is a ten year old.
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  Speaker 1: All right, it's a pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Big age girls. Older one is the girl and the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: younger one is a boy. It could not be not
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  Speaker 2: just in age, but it could not be more different
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  Speaker 2: in personality. My girl is an absolute girly girl, loves
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  Speaker 2: lipstick and makeup and has never played a sport in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: her life that she didn't absolutely loathe you for. Whereas
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  Speaker 2: my son, who he's only two and a half, but
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  Speaker 2: if he could spend all of his time running around
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  Speaker 2: outside and eating bugs and kicking a ball, that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what he would do. So they don't interact with each
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  Speaker 2: other much.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's they will fight, sure, sure that'll come.
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  Speaker 2: Just most of my time after work I spent leaving
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  Speaker 2: my wife a little bit of she was home all day.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you do? So you got kids that
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: have completely different interest how do you keep them both
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  Speaker 1: entertained at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, let me know when you figured it out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: uh yeah, no, that's uh. My daughter likes games. My
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: two year old is a little bit too young to
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  Speaker 2: understand games. But I do do this nice multitask shuffle
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  Speaker 2: where I can be playing a game of Una with
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  Speaker 2: my daughter and also tackling or wrestling my song with
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  Speaker 2: my feet, or like kick the ball for him to
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  Speaker 2: co chase me.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, that's working out.
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  Speaker 2: You got to find a couple few tricks in there.
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  Speaker 2: That's that do some multitasking.
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  Speaker 1: So let's shift gears here a little bit. I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the trades. You know, I love talking
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  Speaker 1: about the trades because my kid's an electrician, one of
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: my kids. I've got another one who's a teacher. He
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: went the trade route, she went the professional route. So
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't have a horse in either of these races.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But you know, you were going to college to be
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a chemical engineer, pursue the military. Now you're in the trades.
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  Speaker 1: You love that. I mean, talk to the people out
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: there who are maybe on the fence. You know, college
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: is expensive, and yet there's still a pretty strong push
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: out there that if you don't go to college, you're
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: missing out. You know what do you feel about that?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I think that that is wrong. You know the phrase
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: you can't put the cat back in the bag. Right.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of kids, especially if you are coming from
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  Speaker 2: a lower income family, have to take on student loan
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: debt to go to college in the first place. And
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a pretty big push from those
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  Speaker 2: families for those kids to go to college, specifically because
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: they want that kid to break free of the cycle
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  Speaker 2: of their lower income lifestyle. Right be the first one
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: in our family to go to college and get a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: good job. And also, there's no cost to trying trade
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  Speaker 2: before you go to college. I'm not going into twenty
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars of student loan debt to go apprentice as
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: an electrician for a little while. Say you're not going
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to make great money as an electricians apprentice right when
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: you first start out, although electricians get praid really well
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: once you once you got.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: This license, they get paid pretty well.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: But you know, there was no harm to when you're nineteen,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: going to see if you enjoy a trade. Whatever one
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: maybe seems like it floats your boat before you that
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  Speaker 2: big decision to go spend four years of your life
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  Speaker 2: in school. Better to test it out and decide you
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: don't like it than too well wind up like me
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: where you went to college for two and a half
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: years and now I've got I like exactly like I said,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: twenty seven thousand dollars in student loan debt that I'm
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: slowly paying back for half of a degree that I'm
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: not using. All Right, the cat got out of the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: bag on that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Now. I And like you talked about at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you love what you do, not for the money,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: not you know, not just for the money, not just
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  Speaker 1: for whatever, not just that you just I love holding
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  Speaker 1: a brush and putting pain on it. Yeah, it makes
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: my world. It's because you're interacting with people you've connected with,
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  Speaker 1: that deeper part of what makes a career truly valuable.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to throw out there.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just say thank you for having me, Thanks for
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: being here. I really enjoyed this. This went nice and
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: smooth and cool, and I shouldn't have felt nervous when
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I walked into the studio.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Are you nervous when you walked in?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Hell a little bit, not intimidate, Yeah, you definitely. You
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  Speaker 2: just tower over me with that big bills joke. That's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: all right, No, it's good. I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I had fun, all right, thanks for being here.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah you betcham.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And that's going to do it for this week's episode.
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  Speaker 1: All right, have a great weekend everybody. For Home in Progress.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansen, thanks for listening. Blipp the comp