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Families Say Panera Bread Lemonade Can Cause Death After Daughter's Heart Injury · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Everybody loves Panera Bread, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean my mother lives off some of their soup.
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Speaker 1: She loves it. I have to buy it in big
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Speaker 1: containers to get for her Panera bread. Right. Well, apparently
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Speaker 1: not everybody loves Panera Bread, including a young athlete that
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Speaker 1: claims their lemonade sent her to the er and that
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Speaker 1: she'll never be the same. Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: and on serious six sem one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Lauren Scarett is twenty eight years old and in top
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Speaker 2: shape as an athlete an obstacle course racer. Being in
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Speaker 2: fantastic physical shape is a necessity. The Rhode Islander stops
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Speaker 2: by Panera Bread in Greenville and drinks two and a
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Speaker 2: half servings of Panera Bread's charged lemonade. The next day,
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Speaker 2: scare It is rushed to the emergency room suffering from
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Speaker 2: an irregular heartbeat. Scare It is shocked when doctors diagnose
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Speaker 2: her with a heart condition that can lead to stroke
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Speaker 2: and other complications known as atrial fibrillation.
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Speaker 1: Atrial fibrillation hold on joining me, Doctor Harvey Castro board
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Speaker 1: certified Emergency care physician and consultant. You can find them
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Speaker 1: at Harveycastro MD dot info. Doctor Castro. What is that?
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Speaker 3: Well, atrial fibrillation? Just think of it this way. There's
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Speaker 3: a top part of the heart and the bottom part
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Speaker 3: of the heart. The top part of the heart starts
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Speaker 3: pumping and it's not in sync with the bottom part.
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Speaker 4: Of the heart.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, wow, whoa whoa whoa doctor. As you doctors
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Speaker 1: love to point out, you're a medical doctor, I'm just
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Speaker 1: a JD. Slow it down. Okay, what atrial fibrillation? Go ahead, So.
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Speaker 3: Basically, think of it this way. The heart is not
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Speaker 3: pumping the way it should. And because the heart is
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Speaker 3: not pumping the way it should, it can start creating
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Speaker 3: clots and can cause strokes later on in our life.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Because the blood begins to pool, yes, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: instead of rushing out as it should, and when it
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Speaker 1: sits there even a little bit, it can make begin
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Speaker 1: to coagulate to a tiny degree and make a minuscule clot,
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Speaker 1: probably invisible to the naked eye, but you, of course
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Speaker 1: will be able to see it. And that tiny, tiny,
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Speaker 1: little coagulation can cause a stroke?
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Speaker 3: Correct?
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Speaker 1: What is a stroke?
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Speaker 3: So unfortunately on these like you into the little quagable plot.
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Speaker 3: Imagine it's flowing all the way up to your brain
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Speaker 3: and then cutting off a certain part of the circulation
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Speaker 3: to that portion of the brain. And that, in essence,
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Speaker 3: depending on where that clot happens, can be a stroke
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Speaker 3: of maybe you're not able to move your hand, maybe
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Speaker 3: you cannot speak, So it can manifest in different ways
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Speaker 3: depending where that clot lands in your brain.
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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand something. In addition to doctor Harvey Castro,
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Speaker 1: renowned physician and by the way, creator of text Sherlock
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Speaker 1: Holmes Crime AI, which is amazing. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: I had time to do that, but you know I'm
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Speaker 1: into Charlot calms. Correct. My son and I watch all
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Speaker 1: Sherlock Calms and we quite often go to our mind palasis.
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Speaker 1: Ben Keslyn with us reporter at the Messenger. Ben, you
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Speaker 1: don't typically think of someone like Laurence Skirit, just twenty
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Speaker 1: eight years old, who is an incredible athlete, as having
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Speaker 1: a stroke.
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Speaker 5: Definitely not.
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Speaker 6: And you know in her lawsuit she talks about how
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Speaker 6: this could change her life forever, would make her have
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Speaker 6: be a high risk pregnancy. So her husband is also
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Speaker 6: stewing panera along with her, and you know, just has
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Speaker 6: kind of radically changed the course of her life at
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Speaker 6: twenty eight, perfectly healthy, no previous heart conditions or anything
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Speaker 6: like that.
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Speaker 1: Whit she's pregnant.
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Speaker 6: No, she's not pregnant, but this condition will make her
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Speaker 6: when she she wants to have children, and now she'll
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Speaker 6: have a high risk pregnancy. It's one of the things
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Speaker 6: she says in the lawsuit because of this condition.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Harvey Cashrow, Okay, I believe everything that Ben Casla
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Speaker 1: just told us. He's joining beas joining us from the messenger,
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Speaker 1: daughter Cashro, could you interpret what Ben just said.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, unfortunately, when we have a condition like atual
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Speaker 3: forblation and we're also pregnant, we actually our body starts changing.
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Speaker 3: One of the simple ones is our blood today, Let's
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Speaker 3: say it gets thicker, meaning we have actually more blood,
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Speaker 3: and we're actually more likely to get a stroke just
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Speaker 3: being pregnant. And so now you add the vitual fibulation
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Speaker 3: plus pregnancy and obviously this caffeine, now you're at a
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Speaker 3: huge risk for having these kind of conditions.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I try to thank you doctor Cashrow, and thank you,
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Speaker 1: Ben Cass, I'm trying to put all of this in.
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Speaker 1: Let me just tell you. To both of you, I've
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Speaker 1: told the story before, and it's still true. When the
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Speaker 1: medical examiners would see me coming up in my horrible
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Speaker 1: little old Honda, it was a great carbet it was
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Speaker 1: smoking from under the hood for like the last seven
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Speaker 1: years of its life. To the medical examiners, they would
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Speaker 1: actually hide because they knew we would have to go
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Speaker 1: through the autopsy for line by line and explain to
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Speaker 1: me it was a Shakespeare literature major. Exactly what the
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Speaker 1: hey they're talking about. And that's happening right now. You
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Speaker 1: drink up in air lemonade and suddenly you're worried about
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Speaker 1: your future pregnancy and your life has changed forever. I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out and I'm saying it's not true.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how the hey it happened,
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Speaker 1: So listen.
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Speaker 7: Prior to drinking the charged lemonades at a Greenville, Rhode Island,
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Speaker 7: Panera Bread location, Lauren Scarrett worked out regularly, going to
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Speaker 7: the gym multiple times a week and doing obstacle courses
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Speaker 7: with no known underlying health issues. Before drinking the charged lemonade.
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Speaker 7: She now suffers long term and permanent cardiac issues?
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Speaker 1: Is that real? Can that happen? Doctor Cashio? And again
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not true. I have no reason
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Speaker 1: to think she's fabricating this, but how could that happen?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately we see this. I know you've heard of
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Speaker 3: athletes just passing out or dying on the court field
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Speaker 3: them and they were like, wow, these are top athletes.
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Speaker 8: How did this happen?
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Speaker 3: And unfortunately there's a lot out of syndromes that we
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Speaker 3: can have. Think of it as different medical conditions that
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Speaker 3: we're preisposed to dying, but we may not know it.
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Speaker 3: And so often we're finding young individuals coming in with
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Speaker 3: atrial fibrillation like we just mentioned, or really weird rhythms
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Speaker 3: in their heart, and it's because we didn't realize they
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Speaker 3: had these underlying medical conditions. And this is unfortunately the
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Speaker 3: first time they're presenting and because they took this caffine,
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Speaker 3: it's really pushing their body to now present the symptoms.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to Dave Matt from Crime Online.
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Speaker 9: The heart problems that Lauren Scarett says was brought on
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Speaker 9: by panera breads charge lemonade drink wasn't a one time problem.
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Speaker 9: Since the first incident, the twenty eight year old athlete
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Speaker 9: has experienced recurrent episodes of rapid heartbeat that occur suddenly
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Speaker 9: and without warning or pattern. She continues to experience super
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Speaker 9: ventricular tachycardia with associated shortness of breath, palpitations, brain fog,
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Speaker 9: difficult thinking and concentrating, body shakes, and weakness.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Harvey Castro, before I would take a
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Speaker 1: case to a jury, I would have to practice the
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Speaker 1: names over and over and over, so they would just,
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Speaker 1: you know, roll off my tongue like I've been saying
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Speaker 1: them forever. Super Ventricular attack of cardio. What is that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? So now we mentioned the top part of the heart.
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Speaker 3: Now let's talk about the bottom part of the heart.
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Speaker 3: And those are your ventricles. And so unfortunately, I've seen
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Speaker 3: this a lot with young individuals showing up with sets
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Speaker 3: and basically, think of it this way. Your heart rate,
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Speaker 3: you know how when we all go and running it
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Speaker 3: can go into the hundreds are really high. Well, imagine
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Speaker 3: it going up to the two hundreds or even three hundreds.
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Speaker 3: That's not life sustainable. And literally that's what happens to
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Speaker 3: the heart, the bottom of the heart source being so
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Speaker 3: fast that it goes into some crazy rhythm that we
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Speaker 3: literally have to take care of them in an emergency
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Speaker 3: right away or else they can die.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Castro again, I'm just a JD. Doctrine can a
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Speaker 1: one time episode, like say you have some sort of
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Speaker 1: heart condition that you don't know about, and then you
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Speaker 1: drink this supercharged which means supercharge. That's a nice way
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Speaker 1: of saying out the ying yang with caffeine, and you
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Speaker 1: drink that not knowing what you're drinking. Can that drink
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Speaker 1: throw you into some sort of a arrhythmia, all that
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Speaker 1: caffeine that kills.
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Speaker 3: You, yes, ma'am. And sad and crazy part about this
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Speaker 3: is we get caffeine, say multiple doses or other They
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Speaker 3: say we took some chocolate, say some of our medicine
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Speaker 3: has caffeine. Then we go into this spots drink that
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Speaker 3: we don't realize it has that much caffeine, and now
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Speaker 3: we're actually taking more doses than we actually thought we
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Speaker 3: were originally.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can you slow down and say that again?
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Speaker 3: So I want people to be aware that there's caffeine
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Speaker 3: in many places. We see it in chocolate.
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Speaker 1: Oh lord is it chocolate? Okay, go ahead, and chocolate.
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Speaker 3: Some of our tea ease, some of our caffeinated drinks,
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Speaker 3: some of our so called sports drengths that we think
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Speaker 3: are just maybe natural, but we don't think they have
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Speaker 3: caffeine in them. And so all of a sudden we
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Speaker 3: may be taking multiple doses of different types of caffeine
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Speaker 3: and all that accumulates throughout the day.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, guys, what exactly was
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Speaker 1: Lauren's skirt drinking? And I don't want to be a spoiler,
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Speaker 1: but she ain't the first one. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton from Crime Online.
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Speaker 2: Lauren Scarett claims to have been unaware of the contents
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Speaker 2: of the charge lemonade, as the drinks are advertised as
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Speaker 2: quote clean, plant based and naturally flavored. As an occupational
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Speaker 2: therapist and vegan, scirit chooses healthy options for eating and drinking. Now,
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Speaker 2: along with all of the other symptoms brought on by
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Speaker 2: atrio fibrillation, she and her husband have had to put
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Speaker 2: off plans to start a family, as having a child
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Speaker 2: now would mean dealing with the fact that she will
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Speaker 2: have a high risk pregnancy and may have complications during
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Speaker 2: her pregnancy.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel in addition to Ben
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Speaker 1: Kesslin from The Messenger, Doctor Harvey Castro, renowned physician. Also
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Speaker 1: with me Dorian Bond, high profile PI private detective Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologist and criminal defense attorney. Dale Carson, former FBI,
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Speaker 1: former beatcop Miami Dade, author of Arrest Proof Yourself at
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Speaker 1: Dalecarsonlaw dot com. Dale Carson, Hey, listen, yes, ma'am. At first,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking this one drink did this to her?
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Speaker 1: But can I tell you what happened to me? I'm
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Speaker 1: projecting so when I was very little. You know, I
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Speaker 1: have bad lungs. When I was very little, I had
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Speaker 1: horrible asthma. But I have not had any asthma problems
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Speaker 1: in twenty years until I had a red bull. And
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Speaker 1: guess when that was. It was about fifteen minutes before
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Speaker 1: I did my first dance on Dancing with the Stars. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I was in that costume, and I was so tired
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Speaker 1: from having practiced in practice eight hours a day in
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Speaker 1: working and it was the big night and I'm so turned.
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Speaker 1: I said, drink this. I drank it. I had an
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Speaker 1: asthma attack. I thought that I was hyperventilating or something
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Speaker 1: because I was stressed out about going on Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars. Even though I tried serial killer, serial rapists,
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Speaker 1: child lusters, you name it, and I never had a problem. Now,
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Speaker 1: maybe it was the energy drink. I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: you know I went ahead and performed. I was awful
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Speaker 1: by the way. I did improve a little bit, but
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Speaker 1: that it said.
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Speaker 10: At Firstcy, you're not awful.
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Speaker 1: You are not speaking your professional.
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Speaker 10: I have to add that, thank.
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Speaker 1: You, deal Carson. At first, I'm thinking, how can eliminade
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Speaker 1: throw somebody into a life changing health into a life
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Speaker 1: changing health having a life changing health problem. But after
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Speaker 1: that night, I didn't know what was happening to me.
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Speaker 1: I have not had an energy drink since, I might
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Speaker 1: point out before or since. But del Carson, I understand
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Speaker 1: what doctor Castro is saying. And I also know what
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Speaker 1: we're about to talk about. There are other cases similar
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Speaker 1: to this case. It's not just her.
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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, And we know this in the
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Speaker 4: Curtal defense world as the egg shell plata theory.
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Speaker 1: Right, eggshell scall you mean yes, And if you.
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Speaker 4: Fight with somebody or injured somebody in the air, predisposed
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Speaker 4: to a certain you're you own it. So if you
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Speaker 4: hit somebody and you don't think you hit them that
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Speaker 4: hard and they already have a problem, and you tell
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Speaker 4: them you're going to be charged, and so when the
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Speaker 4: crossover happens with personal injury, I mean, it's the same
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Speaker 4: thing essentially, And it's frightening to know that just with
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Speaker 4: a motoricum of caffeine, you could be thrown into this abyss.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, emoticum that suggests that it's a
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Speaker 1: small amount of caffeine being Kessey joining us from the messenger, Ben,
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Speaker 1: exactly how much caffeine is in this drink?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: So it is no small amount of caffeine endustry.
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Speaker 1: Let me throw a Latin phrase at you, Ben, sure
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Speaker 1: it's a crap ton. Exactly how much caffeine?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so there are efficient like exactly is three hundred
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Speaker 6: and ninety three hundred and ninety milligrams and one large
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Speaker 6: charged lemonade. But for a good comparison, that is more
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Speaker 6: caffeine than if you took a can of Red Bulls
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Speaker 6: and a can of Monster Energy Drink, combine them and
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Speaker 6: drink it all. So, in the case of Lauren Scarritt.
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Speaker 6: She dranks two point five of these lemonades, right, So
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Speaker 6: that's that's two red bulls, two monsters, and then half
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Speaker 6: of each.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand something, and anybody jump in. What
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Speaker 1: isn't this? What's it called? Charged lemonade? Emphasis on charged?
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Speaker 1: Is advertised as quote clean, what does that mean? Clean?
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Speaker 1: Plant based? What does that mean? Naturally flavored? If I
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Speaker 1: saw that, I would just assume that it was really
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Speaker 1: good for you. Now, having worked at the FDC a
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Speaker 1: consumer protection I know that everything you read is not
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Speaker 1: necessarily true when it comes to claims on products. But
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Speaker 1: if I saw a clean, plant based and naturally flavored,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Starr, you're the shrink. What are you
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Speaker 1: supposed to think when that is what the ad says.
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Speaker 10: Well, it doesn't just say that, Nancy. It says that
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Speaker 10: it's comparable to their dark roast coffee. And there's no
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Speaker 10: way that this is comfortable to any kind of coffee.
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Speaker 10: And people really do believe what they read because everyone
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Speaker 10: these days where most people are looking for something that
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Speaker 10: is healthy, natural, clean, that's a really big word clean,
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Speaker 10: and so they're going to believe that this is something
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Speaker 10: that is good for them.
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Speaker 1: Hold on Sidney's waving something at me. Coffee one hundred
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Speaker 1: and eighty milligrams caffeine per eight ounces. Tea is lower,
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Speaker 1: so this has three hundred and ninety milligrams. Okay, got
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Speaker 1: oh wow, right, that's a lot of caffeine. Dorian Bond
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Speaker 1: is joining me. Guys. Now, Dorian, didn't we meet when
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Speaker 1: we were investigating the jfk assassination.
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Speaker 8: Yes, we did several other times too.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we have Dorian everybody. Dorian is a very well
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Speaker 1: known and respected private detective, owner of Bond Investigations, licensed
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Speaker 1: in over forty two states and Canada. I'm curious as
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Speaker 1: to why not fifty states, but that's another discussion. You
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Speaker 1: can find Dorian at Bondinvestigations dot com. Dorian, now you
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Speaker 1: know that they're trying to connect the dots, because isn't
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Speaker 1: it true? Ben Kesln joining us from the messenger. She
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Speaker 1: has her charged lemonade and she goes into I believe
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Speaker 1: doctor Kasho said arrhythmia. But Ben, she's not the first
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Speaker 1: person to make this claim, right.
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Speaker 5: No, so she's the other two people who will.
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Speaker 6: The other two lawsuits against Panera are from the family
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Speaker 6: of people who died and they're claiming that, you know,
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Speaker 6: these two people died after drinking this Panara lemonade. One
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Speaker 6: of them a twenty one year old Ivy League student.
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Speaker 6: She went to University of Pennsylvania. She had a heart condition,
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Speaker 6: avoided energy drinkings, didn't Her family says she had no
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Speaker 6: idea that she was drinking all this caffeines.
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Speaker 5: She wouldn't drink it otherwise.
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Speaker 6: She went into cardiac arrest and died in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 6: And the other person, Dennis Brown, was a forty six
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Speaker 6: year old man with disabilities.
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Speaker 5: He had high blood.
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Speaker 6: Pressure, didn't consume energy drinks, and his family said that
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Speaker 6: in October when he drank I believe three of the lemonade,
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Speaker 6: he suffered a heart attack on his way home from
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Speaker 6: Panera and died.
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Speaker 1: Man, you think they take it off the menu, right,
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Speaker 1: or at least changed their warning from clean natural. So Caslyn,
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Speaker 1: you said that he had a disability and one of
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Speaker 1: those problems was high blood pressure. I mean, Dorian Bond,
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Speaker 1: half of America is like throwing back low Sartin and
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Speaker 1: everything else. Everybody's got high blood pressure, right, because so
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Speaker 1: many Americans are overweight, and they think that just eating
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Speaker 1: the low Sartin pills or the whatever they are pills
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Speaker 1: is going to fix everything. But Dori and Bond, how
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Speaker 1: do you find the other victims out there? I mean,
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Speaker 1: just off the top of Ben's head, we hear about
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Speaker 1: two more victims that are dead dead after scarfing down
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Speaker 1: some Panera Bread charge lemonade.
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Speaker 8: Oh, you're going to see some commercials. You're going to
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Speaker 8: see email blast. Have you been affected by a Panera Bread?
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Speaker 8: You know exactly what your previous contributor said that people
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Speaker 8: will believe anything when they see plant based organic. Let
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Speaker 8: me go ahead and drink two or three of these,
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Speaker 8: because I'm going to I'm going to lose weight or
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Speaker 8: it's going to help me because it's plant based. It's
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Speaker 8: just it's all marketing. I tell my wife all the
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Speaker 8: time when she goes to the store, it's marketing. We
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Speaker 8: can get the cheaper avocados that don't say organic. But
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Speaker 8: most people when they think I'm going to go to
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Speaker 8: Panera Bread for a quick drink as plant based, let
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Speaker 8: me see if I can get two of these, and
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Speaker 8: then they're having problems. You're going to see lawyers out there.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm surprised that that Panera ba didn't pull
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Speaker 8: this off the shelf after the first one.
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Speaker 1: And another thing, Dorian brand, have you ever been to
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Speaker 1: the QT or something like a QT, you know, quick
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Speaker 1: trip awesome and seeing I've seen people coming out of
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Speaker 1: there with drinks that are like, I'm like my stars man.
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Speaker 1: When you cross the Sahara, it's like they've got a
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Speaker 1: five gallon I guess a cut with a super big
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Speaker 1: straw coming out of it. I mean, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know how big the drinks are at Panera. I mean, okay,
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Speaker 1: Sydney's holding something up thirty ounces a lot of lumonaie.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so that's okay big. So I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out three hundred and ninety milligrams of caffeine and
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Speaker 1: a regular what has she got a goofy gulp or
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Speaker 1: a really big one? I mean, think about it, Dorian.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen people coming out we're like this giant drink?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I will a lot of the time
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Speaker 8: out of the QT. It's just it's a matter of
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Speaker 8: you know, how much soda do you need? I mean,
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Speaker 8: do you need a huge camel? As you walk out
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Speaker 8: with a huge.
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Speaker 1: Soda, just bring out your camel loaded down with with
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Speaker 1: beverages del cars. Is that you jumping in?
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Speaker 4: But you know, I was interested in the question of
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Speaker 4: toxicity with caffeine. I mean, there's a huge difference between
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Speaker 4: what we're talking about and the actual toxicity, because I
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Speaker 4: understand that it's ken grams of caffeine that brings our
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Speaker 4: bodies up to a toxic level, and that's like a
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Speaker 4: hundred cups of coffee at one city.
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Speaker 1: And your question is there's a.
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Speaker 4: Difference obviously between toxicity and what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: I'll have a point de la cars and don't just
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Speaker 1: be thinking out loud.
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Speaker 4: This is minor that the addition of even three hundred
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Speaker 4: miligrams of caffeine is not all that significant when it
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Speaker 4: comes to the level of toxicity.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, why don't you tell that to
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Speaker 1: Sarah Katz's family. Take a listen.
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Speaker 7: Lauren Scarrett's lawsuit against Panera Bread over their charged lemonade
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Speaker 7: is not the first. Sarah Katz, a twenty one year
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Speaker 7: old University of Pennsylvania student, consumed the Panera charged lemonade, and,
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Speaker 7: as the lawsuit claims, was reasonably confident it was a
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Speaker 7: traditional lemonade or a type of electrolyte sports drink that
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Speaker 7: would be safe for her to drink. Later that same day,
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Speaker 7: while dining with friends at a restaurant in her apartment building,
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Speaker 7: Sarah Katz suffered a fatal heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Yeah she died twenty one years old. One of the
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Speaker 1: most prestigious universities in the country and more.
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Speaker 11: Sarah Katz had her condition called long QT syndrome Type one.
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Speaker 11: She avoided energy drinks and highly caffeany to drinks due
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Speaker 11: to her condition. Sarah Katz's family alleges in the complaint
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Speaker 11: that Panera Bread includes the charge lemonade as part of
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Speaker 11: its Sip Club, in which customers are urged to drink
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Speaker 11: unlimited Panera Charge lemonade every day.
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Speaker 1: Whoa the sip club customers urge to drink unlimited Panera
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Speaker 1: charge lemonade every day. Now, Sidney is waving a manner
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Speaker 1: at me. And before she eraised it, I think it
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Speaker 1: said twelve hundred milligrams of caffeine when if you have,
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Speaker 1: if you consume it quickly, causes the toxicity. The del Carson,
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Speaker 1: even though I harangued him, accurately pointed out, so if
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Speaker 1: you drink it rapidly then it can cause the toxicity.
23:55
Speaker 1: He was discussing. So you've heard about Laurence Skirritt, who
24:01
Speaker 1: is now afraid to become pregnant. You have now heard
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Speaker 1: about Sarah Katz who went out and died after the
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Speaker 1: Panera charged lemonade. But there's more. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Crime on Lines Rachel Benia.
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Speaker 7: As a rule, forty six year old Dennis Brown doesn't
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Speaker 7: drink energy drinks. Actually, Dennis Brown avoids drinking significant amounts
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Speaker 7: of caffeine in general. He does this to better control
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Speaker 7: his high blood pressure. Dennis Brown likes to stop by
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Speaker 7: Panera Bread after his shifts at a supermarket. Brown is
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Speaker 7: also part of Panera's Unlimited Sip Cup, a membership that
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Speaker 7: allows patrons who pay a subscription fee to refill drinks
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Speaker 7: at no cost, where he can get his favorite Panera
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Speaker 7: Charged lemonade.
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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened with Dennis Brown. Listen.
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Speaker 2: Dennis Brown goes to his local Panera Bread just about
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Speaker 2: every day and enjoys his membership in Panera's Unlimited Sip Club.
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Speaker 2: According to Dennis Brown's family, Dennis Brown did not know
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Speaker 2: how much caffe was in the drink he enjoyed as
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Speaker 2: part of his Unlimited Sip Club membership. His family says
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Speaker 2: Dennis Brown didn't know Panera's charge lemonade has more caffeine
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Speaker 2: than an energy drink, and his family says he suffered
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Speaker 2: a cardiac arrest and died hours after consuming three of
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Speaker 2: the drinks.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, back to Ben Keslan joining us from
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Speaker 1: the Messenger, they can't all be lying, they can't.
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean three is quite the amount in
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Speaker 6: just a few months, and you know there could be
25:35
Speaker 6: more coming down the line. And for the for the
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Speaker 6: first two you have, you have two examples of people
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Speaker 6: who who you know their families say they would never
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Speaker 6: have drunk this lemonade had they known what was in it.
25:47
Speaker 4: Right.
25:48
Speaker 6: I remember Sarah Cassa's lawyer did an interview and she
25:51
Speaker 6: said something like everybody thinks lemonade is space, and I
25:54
Speaker 6: think that's true.
25:55
Speaker 4: Right.
25:55
Speaker 6: Nobody really thinks that maybe they know there's some sugar
25:58
Speaker 6: in it, but no one really thinks they're you know,
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Speaker 6: getting in over their head with a lemonade.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think band that it's water, lemon jeese
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Speaker 1: and sugar or artificial sweetener, one of the two exactly.
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Speaker 6: And you know Panera has now put a warning on
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Speaker 6: it that tells people, you know, how much caffeine is
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Speaker 6: in in the drink. But you have to think about
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Speaker 6: the fact too that I don't think your average person
26:23
Speaker 6: knows you know, what that means. When you hear three
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Speaker 6: hundred and ninety milligrams of caffeine, it could seem like
26:29
Speaker 6: a lot to you. It could also not seem like
26:31
Speaker 6: a lot to you, you know, because you don't necessarily
26:33
Speaker 6: know how much caffeine is in a cup of coffee.
26:35
Speaker 6: So just even hearing the amount might not do it
26:38
Speaker 6: for a lot of people for them to know, you know, hey,
26:41
Speaker 6: this stuff is serious. Don't drink three.
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Speaker 1: When did they put that warning?
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Speaker 4: Ben?
26:46
Speaker 5: After the lawsuits?
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Speaker 10: So Nancy, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jump in plays.
26:49
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm thinking they put that warning. Isn't that an
26:54
Speaker 10: acknowledgement that something was wrong? So they had to go
26:58
Speaker 10: back and put that warning in there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, under sure, all you're allowed to do that.
27:02
Speaker 1: You're allowed to do what to warn.
27:04
Speaker 4: People after an event and not have it later.
27:08
Speaker 1: I know, well that's in court. We're not in court.
27:09
Speaker 1: Look around, are you in a courtroom? No you're not,
27:12
Speaker 1: she said, After all this, they put a warning, and
27:15
Speaker 1: that does say something to me. Of course, he's right.
27:18
Speaker 1: Dell Carson is right. That can't be used against them
27:21
Speaker 1: at trial, if there ever is a trial, because they
27:24
Speaker 1: put a warning, but it does suggest they realized something
27:27
Speaker 1: was very, very wrong. Guys, I want you to take
27:30
Speaker 1: a listen to the Panera response and our cut fourteen
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Speaker 1: about what they had to say after mister Brown died.
27:39
Speaker 9: Panera Bread, in a statement to USA Today, denied any wrongdoing.
27:44
Speaker 9: Panera expresses our deep sympathy from mister Brown's family, but
27:47
Speaker 9: that based on its investigation, the company believes his unfortunate
27:52
Speaker 9: passing was not caused by one of the company's products.
27:56
Speaker 1: Guys, this is not the first time that people have
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Speaker 1: literally died after an energy drink. Anybody ever heard of
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Speaker 1: four Loco Take a listener. Cut twenty six.
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Speaker 9: An apartment manager in Huntington Beach, California, calls police after
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Speaker 9: seeing two teens in a vacant apartment looking through the window.
28:18
Speaker 9: The manager couldn't tell if they were asleep or dead.
28:22
Speaker 9: Police arrive and discover fifteen year old Aaron Says and
28:24
Speaker 9: sixteen year old Chelsea Taylor are dead and right next
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Speaker 9: to their bodies an empty can of for Loco for Loco,
28:31
Speaker 9: which has been dubbed Blackout in a can by some drinkers,
28:35
Speaker 9: sells for under three dollars and contains as much alcohol
28:38
Speaker 9: as nearly five beers and as much caffeine as several
28:41
Speaker 9: cups of coffee. For Loco has been banned in several states.
28:44
Speaker 1: For Loco contains as much caffeine as several cups of coffee.
28:50
Speaker 1: And a fifteen year old Aaron Sands a sixteen year
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Speaker 1: old Chelsea Taylor are dead after drinking four loco Blackout
29:00
Speaker 1: and a can. You know what's really interesting to Dorian
29:04
Speaker 1: Bond joining us a veteran private investigator. Dorian, until I
29:11
Speaker 1: started investigating this charge lemona case by Panera, I didn't
29:16
Speaker 1: realize all the deaths that had occurred following consumption of
29:21
Speaker 1: energy drinks. I didn't even know what four loco is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've heard of that several years ago. And there's
29:26
Speaker 8: a big craze because a lot of teenage kids they
29:29
Speaker 8: think they they need to stay up till three o'clock
29:31
Speaker 8: in the morning and then get up at seven, and
29:32
Speaker 8: they need an energy drink, and so they slamm these
29:36
Speaker 8: four locos or you know whatever, monster energy drinks. I
29:40
Speaker 8: think they're going to last the entire day, and then
29:43
Speaker 8: it gets the kids hooked on it, just like coffee.
29:45
Speaker 8: When you start drinking coffee, you get hooked on it.
29:47
Speaker 8: And it's affecting a lot of the you know, teenage
29:50
Speaker 8: kids and you know people that are going to school
29:53
Speaker 8: that they've got to stay up for a long period
29:54
Speaker 8: of time. They go after that four local You know,
29:56
Speaker 8: I was on college campus the other day and they're
29:58
Speaker 8: selling energy drinks, you know, in the vending machines for
30:01
Speaker 8: the kids.
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the connection, Dorian, I did not know.
30:06
Speaker 1: And it's not just traditional energy drinks. Take a listen
30:12
Speaker 1: to more from Dave Mack.
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Speaker 9: In South Carolina, David Cripe is a drum loving, amazing
30:17
Speaker 9: sixteen year old that has devoted time to helping teens
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Speaker 9: stay away from drugs and alcohol. As Davis Cripe is
30:22
Speaker 9: heading into a class at school, he chugs an energy drink.
30:25
Speaker 9: On this particular day, he had already had a large
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Speaker 9: diamountain dew, a cafe latte from McDonald's. Then the energy drink.
30:33
Speaker 9: It turns out it was so much caffeine it caused
30:36
Speaker 9: arrhythmia and the sixteen year old Davis Kripe died from
30:40
Speaker 9: the caffeine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm reeling because that's my go to coffee, a
30:43
Speaker 1: large McDonald's coffee with two creams in it. This kid,
30:48
Speaker 1: just sixteen topped it off with an energy drink and
30:51
Speaker 1: it caused a rhythmia. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor
31:11
Speaker 1: Harvey Castro with US Board Certified physician. Arrhythmia that's different
31:17
Speaker 1: from what our earlier victims suffered.
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, there's different types of rhythms, and we as
31:22
Speaker 3: a general classification of all of them, we just call
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Speaker 3: them aid. With me, it's anything that's not normal rhythm.
31:27
Speaker 1: How can an abnormal arrhythmia or rhythm, heartbeat rhythm kill you?
31:32
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, caffeine can change the chemical structure, the way it works,
31:36
Speaker 3: the way the heart works, and because of that, it
31:39
Speaker 3: can start doing abnormal rhythms, and those abnormal rhythms can
31:43
Speaker 3: literally kill you, depending on which abnormal rhythm you obtain.
31:46
Speaker 1: So we're talking about young people in their twenties now,
31:50
Speaker 1: as young as fifteen sixteen. Now, take a listen to
31:55
Speaker 1: a case regarding nineteen year old Alex Morris.
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Speaker 9: At nineteen years old, Alex Morris has been drinking energy drinks.
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Speaker 9: And sodas with caffeine since he was sixteen. But on
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Speaker 9: this day, Alex Morris had two sixteen ounce cans of
32:09
Speaker 9: an energy drink in the preceding twenty four hours, just
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Speaker 9: as he had been doing for the last three years.
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Speaker 9: Only this time the caffeine and the energy drinks caused arrhythmia,
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Speaker 9: and Alex Morris died. The family lawyer says Alex Morris
32:22
Speaker 9: died from drinking an energy.
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Speaker 1: Drink and more. Take a listen.
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Speaker 9: Travis Humphrey is the picture of health. At twenty one
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Speaker 9: years old. Humphrey has no health conditions. He's never sick
32:33
Speaker 9: with more than the common cold. But two weeks before
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Speaker 9: his twenty second birthday, Travis Humphrey dies. His official cause
32:40
Speaker 9: of death cardiac arrhythmia due to Monster Energy Drinks, a
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Speaker 9: drink they can be purchased next to sodas and Gatorade
32:48
Speaker 9: at most convenience stores.
32:49
Speaker 1: It all seems so innocuous, so innocent, right, They're dead
32:53
Speaker 1: and I'm not stopping now. Listen.
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Speaker 11: Anice Fournier spends the afternoon with a friend at the mall,
32:58
Speaker 11: and the two returned to her house or a sleepover.
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Speaker 11: A niece suddenly loses consciousness and her friend gets her
33:03
Speaker 11: mother for help. The fourteen year old's eyes roll back
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Speaker 11: and she stops breathing. Her mother performs CPR while on
33:09
Speaker 11: the phone with nine one one. She questions a niece's
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Speaker 11: friend about their activities that day, and they admit that
33:14
Speaker 11: they each had an energy drink at the mall. It
33:17
Speaker 11: takes first responders four rounds of defibrillation to stabilize a
33:20
Speaker 11: niece before she's airlifted to Johns Hopkins Hospital after forty
33:24
Speaker 11: eight hours of intensive treatment. Doctors attempt to bring a
33:27
Speaker 11: niece out of sedation, but she seeses multiple times. Her
33:30
Speaker 11: heart rate becomes more erratic, and one of her lungs collapses.
33:34
Speaker 11: Five days after she's admitted for treatment, a niece is
33:37
Speaker 11: declared brain dead. Her official cause of death is listed
33:40
Speaker 11: as cardiac arrhythmia due to caffeine toxicity.
33:43
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, some people would refer to as a protective
33:48
Speaker 1: mother as a helicopter mom. I refer to myself as
33:52
Speaker 1: a straight jacket mom because I try to do everything
33:57
Speaker 1: in anything I can to protect John david In. I
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Speaker 1: had no idea about all these deaths following energy drinks.
34:05
Speaker 1: These two little girls at the mall fourteen they had
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Speaker 1: an energy drink and the girl is dead cardiac arrhythmia.
34:14
Speaker 1: Do you to cafeine toxicity?
34:16
Speaker 10: And I feel like as a mother, it makes sense
34:19
Speaker 10: that you would want to be really careful, Nancy, because
34:22
Speaker 10: you never really know if there's some kind of a
34:26
Speaker 10: hard problem at least that's what until you've become an
34:30
Speaker 10: adult maybe and you get your hard tested. I think
34:33
Speaker 10: that you have to be careful. I'm not saying that
34:37
Speaker 10: you can't allow them to have anything they that you
34:41
Speaker 10: think is okay, or things that seem innocent, but something
34:44
Speaker 10: like this where there's potential to cause medical harm, I
34:49
Speaker 10: think any mother should be really careful.
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Speaker 5: A lot of these drinks, you know, they're bright colored,
34:55
Speaker 5: they're paink some of them, you know, they look fun
34:58
Speaker 5: if you're a fourteen year old and you see them
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Speaker 5: in the store, it's in some ways it's being marketed
35:03
Speaker 5: towards someone like you, you know, And that's a lot
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Speaker 5: of caffeine for a really young kid, you know.
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Speaker 1: What, Ben, that's a really good point. The colors like
35:14
Speaker 1: candy is marketed toward children. It can have all types
35:17
Speaker 1: of neon colors to it, and the positioning beside other
35:22
Speaker 1: drinks that teams would like and children would like to
35:26
Speaker 1: get their mits on. Do I hear Dale Carson jumping.
35:29
Speaker 4: In, Yes, ma'am. When I was crosstreamed with the DDA
35:31
Speaker 4: and the Grunco, you know it was it was discussed
35:35
Speaker 4: that caffeine today would be a scheduled narcotic.
35:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are.
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Speaker 10: There are people I and I have read about it,
35:44
Speaker 10: and I think Dale Carson is absolutely right that they
35:47
Speaker 10: are saying that most of us are addicted to caffeine.
35:52
Speaker 10: Caffeine is addicted. Caffeine can be dangerous.
35:55
Speaker 1: It's since we.
35:56
Speaker 10: Don't think about it because everybody wants to start the
35:59
Speaker 10: day with their cups of coffee.
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Speaker 1: Well, Karen start You lived through this with me. Remember
36:05
Speaker 1: I wanted to have children so badly and the doctor
36:08
Speaker 1: said get off coffee. I also a coffee freak that
36:12
Speaker 1: people would actually give me exotic coffees for Christmas because
36:15
Speaker 1: I didn't want anything else. Then I got off and
36:19
Speaker 1: I managed to get pregnant with the twins, and I
36:22
Speaker 1: got to thinking, Karen, if that was required for me
36:25
Speaker 1: to get pregnant, it can't be good for your body.
36:28
Speaker 1: So I switched to tea at that time. You're absolutely right, guys,
36:32
Speaker 1: is the name Andrew James ring a bell? It didn't before,
36:37
Speaker 1: it does now listen.
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Speaker 11: Andrew James spends the afternoon with his cousin. The two
36:42
Speaker 11: watch a movie, grab a meal, visit james brother, and
36:45
Speaker 11: plan to finish their day spending time with a friend.
36:48
Speaker 11: On the drive between the two homes, James and his
36:50
Speaker 11: cousin stop at a convenience store for drinks. The two
36:53
Speaker 11: joke back and forth about trying Monster Nitrous energy drinks
36:57
Speaker 11: and each get one. When they arrive at the friend's
36:59
Speaker 11: home just minutes later, James says he doesn't feel well, vomits,
37:03
Speaker 11: then collapses and convulses.
37:05
Speaker 1: The cousin calls nine one one and tries to perform.
37:07
Speaker 11: CPR, but by the time EMT's arrive, Andrew James, just nineteen,
37:12
Speaker 11: is dead. Two days after James's death, his mother pleads
37:16
Speaker 11: with James's brother and cousin to tell her if they
37:18
Speaker 11: were doing drugs or drinking. They pull a can of
37:20
Speaker 11: Monster Nitrous out of the fridge and tell her this
37:23
Speaker 11: is what killed Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Andrew James and Brian Shepherd listens.
37:28
Speaker 11: Brian Shepherd, fifteen, relishes victory with his teammates after a
37:31
Speaker 11: second place win in a competitive paintball tournament. The team
37:34
Speaker 11: meets dinner together and is waiting for the evening's award ceremony,
37:38
Speaker 11: enjoying several vendor booths, peddling gear and other performance equipment.
37:42
Speaker 11: Red Bull is giving out free samples, and of course,
37:44
Speaker 11: the fifteen year old partakes. Fifteen minutes later, Shephard collapses
37:48
Speaker 11: and convulses. First responders work tirelessly to correct an arrhythmia,
37:53
Speaker 11: but Shepherd dies in the hospital hours later. The cause
37:56
Speaker 11: of Shepherd's arrhythmia was never determined, but his family believes
37:59
Speaker 11: that energy drink, the only one Shepherd ever had, is
38:02
Speaker 11: to blame.
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Speaker 1: Guys. I've been telling giving you cases, true life cases
38:08
Speaker 1: of teens and people in their twenties literally keeling over
38:14
Speaker 1: after energy drink or heavy caffeine consumption in seemingly all
38:20
Speaker 1: natural drinks, but adults as well. What about this super
38:26
Speaker 1: fit father Thomas Mansfield.
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Speaker 9: Thomas Mansfield is a personal trainer and security guard. The
38:33
Speaker 9: super fit father of two orders packets of a caffeine
38:36
Speaker 9: powder mixture so he can make his energy drinks at home.
38:39
Speaker 9: Mansfield makes a mixture of his drink, takes a sip,
38:42
Speaker 9: then chugs the rest. Minutes later, his wife, Susannah, sees
38:46
Speaker 9: Mansfield frothing at the mouth. She runs outside to get
38:49
Speaker 9: help from neighbors and family. As she calls for an ambulance.
38:52
Speaker 9: Paramedics arrive quickly and note Mansfield's grossly abnormal heart rhythm.
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Speaker 9: Twenty nine year old Thomas Manfield dies later at the hospital.
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Speaker 9: Cause of death due to caffeine toxicity. Mansfield made a
39:04
Speaker 9: mistake mixing his drink at home and ended up ingesting
39:07
Speaker 9: a drink with the caffeine equivalent to two hundred cups
39:10
Speaker 9: of coffee.
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Speaker 1: Ben Kesslin, joining us from the messenger man, I predict
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Speaker 1: that the lawyers for Lauren Skirritt are going to do
39:23
Speaker 1: as Dorian Brown suggested, send out commercials notices online regarding
39:32
Speaker 1: the paneer bread quote charge, lemonade quote drink and any
39:38
Speaker 1: health problems following it. I predict that there will be
39:43
Speaker 1: more alleged victims to join this case, Ben Kesslin, where
39:48
Speaker 1: does the case stand right now?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, right now there's three cases.
39:54
Speaker 6: I think you're right, Nancy, that we could definitely see
39:56
Speaker 6: more down the line. You know, all of these victims
39:59
Speaker 6: are doing victims or their families on Behalf of the
40:02
Speaker 6: victims are sueing for damages, but the cases are still
40:06
Speaker 6: in progress. It's not great time for Panera either, because
40:10
Speaker 6: there's lots of reports that they're trying to go public
40:14
Speaker 6: and you know, have filed for an IPO, so you
40:18
Speaker 6: have a company that right now, whenever you hear the
40:21
Speaker 6: word Panara, this is what.
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Speaker 5: People are talking about. But yeah, we'll see what happens
40:27
Speaker 5: with these three cases.
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Speaker 6: There's no word on whether they'll settle or they'll go
40:31
Speaker 6: to court. It's still pretty far off from that.
40:34
Speaker 1: We reached out to Panera Bread for their response and
40:40
Speaker 1: as of right now, have heard nothing. Laurence Garrett, Dennis Brown,
40:45
Speaker 1: Sarah Katz. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,