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Unveiling the Matrix With Quang Nguyen | The Christian Reeve Podcast #368 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of Christian Reef
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  Podcast. Today is a returning guest.
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  His name is Kwang. Welcome back to the show.
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  How you doing? Now to you back, Christian,
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  thank you for having me. Back, I'm excited after the
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  first time it was it was, it was good.
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  It was like I said before, sometimes you you come across
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  people that you just click with and I'm excited to see where the
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  conversation goes and where where we're off philosophizing
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  goes, so to speak. Yeah.
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  Let's just jump into some some good shit.
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  So these are some of your suggestions.
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  I had other things prepared for you, but I don't know, this was
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  interesting too. So let's just jump straight into
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  it. The Matrix idea.
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  Yeah. So.
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  One of the reasons why I'm doing what I'm doing is the idea that
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  before I realized that society is like a social construct that
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  humans have created, I was in the Matrix.
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  I was a part of it, right? So upon coming to the conclusion
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  that I didn't have to be a part of it, I feel as though I've
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  left it. And now I'm kind of observing it
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  from the outside looking in. And if I don't know, I don't
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  know if you remember from the movie, but Morpheus says
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  something like the people aren't ready to leave the Matrix.
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  I don't believe that's necessarily the case.
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  Like I'm using myself here as an example where I think I was
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  ready, I just didn't know how to leave.
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  So I thought, you know, I, I looked around and I looked to
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  other mentors and whatnot, and eventually I found my own way
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  out. And it was through better
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  understanding the systems that Saudi has created.
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  So my line of thinking here is, is, is if I'm able to share my
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  thinking towards other two others, and if they're able to
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  latch onto my ideas, perhaps they can see the matrix as well
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  and take a step out. Because if you go and you tell
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  people, hey, you're in the matrix.
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  So people are going to think you're crazy, right?
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  People are going to think that that you're a red pilled and and
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  that what you're saying may not be it.
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  It doesn't necessarily reflect their reality, but if I instead
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  give them the pieces of it like, hey, look, this is one way you
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  can look up how look at how money works.
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  This is one way you can look at how how command has evolved and
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  you can kind of see the patterns and has the, how it becomes more
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  controlled and less chaotic than you may realize that you can
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  kind of see the system and perhaps pull yourself out of it.
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  That that's the overall goal that I'm trying to accomplish.
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  We'll see if it works. There's different ways to come
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  at this. I mean, I think your kind of
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  assertions about how people view certain words like that is spot
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  on. Like at first The Matrix was
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  seen as sort of conspiracy theorists stuff that sort of
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  jumped off the back of the the film.
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  But I mean, those ideas had existed far before.
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  Obviously The Matrix was just a movie that kind of threaded a
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  lot of existing threads, existing anime, and various
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  other stories out there. Oh, the originator is Plato,
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  right? Plato's Cape.
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  Yeah, but there's also like a bunch of animes from like the
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  80s or something. There's one in particular that
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  they ripped off of inspired. By Michelle Yeah.
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  So, you know, I mean, everything has to be inspired by something.
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  Yeah, I'm. Definitely not claiming I came
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  up with the idea of my own, right?
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  No, I don't know. But like, I think that this
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  whole concept of the matrix, it depends how you're looking at it
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  for the, for the modern person, I suppose it's this red pill
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  thing. It's this idea that the system
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  is against you. And you know, maybe there's
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  truth in that. But as far as what you said
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  about people being ready or not being ready, I've seen this for
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  myself. I've seen how some people don't
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  have an internal monologue, don't have any kind of there's
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  nothing going on there, like at all.
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  There's there's just. Like 30% of people or something.
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  Supposedly, yeah, but like it's not just like having a
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  conversation with someone or someone having a higher or lower
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  intelligence. It's like there's just there's
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  nothing there and you're like, how is that possible?
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  How is it possible? I'm.
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  Understanding is that it's not necessarily nothing is that they
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  may not be thinking in words. My, I'm understanding that some
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  people think in other ways like images or whatnot, and perhaps
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  that's why there's no monologue because because they're thinking
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  in ways that are unfamiliar to us.
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  But I don't want to say it's like a disadvantage or anything
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  like that. It's, it's just different,
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  right? I mean, I, I get what you're
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  saying, but I guess what I'm referring to more is, is not so
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  much different ways of thinking because that's fine.
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  You know, like an engineer, an engineer's mind is completely
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  different to say an artist's mind or like people visualize
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  and imagine things in different ways.
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  But the fact of the matter is they're still awake, some having
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  ideas. Their mind just works in a
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  certain way, right? That's not what I mean.
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  What I mean is like people that are locked into, you know, we
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  spoke about it last time, like consumerism, but also just kind
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  of what this life is. But you know, they don't
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  consider like spirituality, belief in a higher power or
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  something. And like, regardless of whether
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  or not you believe in these things to question them, I think
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  is really important to have an awareness of self, an awareness
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  of what's going on around you, the the capacity and the ability
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  to say no or question things. You know, I think we spoke about
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  critical thinking last time as well and, and how important that
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  is. Like there is this subsection
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  of, of people in society that don't think at all.
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  And that number I think is increasing.
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  You know, I didn't used to notice it as much before because
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  I think less people were kind of, I don't know, like MPCS.
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  I don't know how else to put out what the word would be more of
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  those people. Yeah, I have theories behind us.
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  I, I, I'm not claiming that they to be true, but what technology
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  has done is, has allowed us to offload critical thinking over
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  to technology. And that decline in critical
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  thinking skills is probably what we're seeing like people's
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  lessened ability to really think about things through.
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  Because why do I need to figure out how to fix my electronic or
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  whatever it is that's broken? Well, I can go on YouTube and
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  somebody will teach me how to fix it myself.
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  So I never developed the skills to, you know, problem solve on
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  my own when the internet's there to solve a lot of problems for
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  me. And this is probably going to
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  get worse with AI because AI solves all my problems now for
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  not all, but even it. Depends.
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  I mean, like you said, if you're learning from an online source,
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  that's fine. You're still learning how to do
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  it. Whereas if you, as you said,
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  offload something onto something and don't learn about the
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  process or how it works, you've learned nothing.
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  You've outsourced the thinking and you are just consuming and
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  you don't grow. And I felt like this is
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  something that people only discover is a problem in later
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  life, you know? Yeah, 100%.
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  And it's like it's, it's tough, right?
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  Because you definitely want to do things faster.
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  Like I'm not saying that when your computer has issues, you
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  should try to solve everything on your own.
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  If you can get someone else or AI to solve it for you so you
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  can move on to do your other tasks, that's probably
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  beneficial. But the challenge seems to be
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  that people aren't doing other tasks, so they're getting their
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  problems solved and then they're schooling TikTok or whatever it
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  is, so they never end up developing that part of their
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  mind do. You think it's too late for
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  them? No, I don't think so.
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  Based on what we know about neuroplasticity, it seems to
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  you're, you're able to change your brain later on in life as
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  well. It's a it's a bit harder, right?
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  We know that when you're a child, it's easier to pick up
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  stuff like language and whatnot, but I don't think it's
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  impossible. And for example, like I
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  definitely feel like my, I myself have gained plenty of
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  skills over the past five years which I didn't try to gain or
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  yeah, which I didn't try again at all in my 20s.
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  So you think it's possible to, for example, combat a shortened
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  attention span to tackle that and increase your attention
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  span? Yeah, it's 100%.
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  And I don't think, I'm not saying it's easy.
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  I think it's going to be a very difficult thing.
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  But if if someone is willing to do it and they are able to find
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  the resources to figure out how to do it, I definitely think we
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  can get back to our attention span.
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  Let's say, because we are talking about generations here,
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  this whole concept of doom scrolling and what that looks
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  like, like I've seen this content creator I follow and
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  she's like absolutely nailed Gen.
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  Z as a concept. Like it obviously it's taking it
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  to the extreme. It's like, it's like a lot of
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  annoying sayings that they they have and it it'll be like
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  typical things like, Oh, your day is a Gen.
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  Z girl or something like that, right?
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  So she's having fun with it and going to the extreme.
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  But honestly, I was sat there watching and listening it and
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  I'm like, I've met people like this where they just say things
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  or don't finish sentences or this kind of speaking in like
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  meme culture. There's one thing to reference
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  things, reference films reference.
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  No, I do it with my friends sometimes, right When you exist
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  sort of vicariously through the Internet and you bring that into
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  modern life and it's like, not everyone has the context.
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  Not everyone is going to get that.
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  And also a lot of this stuff doesn't even come from something
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  of substance. It'll just come from like a 5
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  second clip of something that doesn't mean anything as well.
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  And that's more my concern is when things come from nothing,
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  when there's no substance, there's no, there's nothing
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  intelligent about it. It, it's, it's worrying, you
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  know, it's people call it brain rot.
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  And I, I think that there's truth in that.
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  Like I've seen, I saw one video where it was a guy showing what
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  his timeline looks like on like TikTok or something and he's
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  scrolling through it for like 30 seconds and it's, it's just
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  crazy. Just just like if there was a
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  video that you could show that would perfectly define brain
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  rot, that would be the video. It's just, it's just nothing,
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  It's just crazy. It's it's just appealing to you
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  know, 2 seconds of pleasure concept.
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  You know like no, you know, you walk away from it fin and
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  fatigued and you wasted. We've all been there.
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  You waste an hour of scrolling like you do you feel fulfilled?
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  Do you feel anything other than odds wasted an hour?
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  I don't know. For myself, very rarely.
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  And I think that's how the algorithm gets you, right?
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  If it gives you some hits of dopamine that you find to be
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  very good content and you scroll through it looking for another
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  one, and it can be hours before you find something worthwhile
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  and by the time you're done you've wasted your whole
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  morning. Let's see, this is the thing.
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  Like, how come? How can we allow the time to
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  escape us? Like time is so important, how
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  can we just spend it scrolling all the time?
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  So I'm going to let's let's target that particular line.
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  Time is so important. Did you always realize that time
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  is so important? You definitely did not as a
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  child. I definitely did not realize how
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  important time was as a child. Time feels different.
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  Time passes differently when you're a child.
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  But not only that, but how much value you put into it is
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  different because you go to school and after school you
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  spend your time either with your friends or you go home.
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  You're kind of just waiting for the next day to happen.
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  But go ahead. Well, all I could really say
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  because I just want to address that question real quickly
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  before we jump deep dive into it.
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  But like when I was a kid, it seemed like things took forever.
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  When I got into senior school, it was like certain parts took
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  forever. So the first couple of years
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  dragged on and then as soon as I got to the point where because I
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  was studying what we call GCS, ES here in the UK.
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  So for American listeners or anyone that's, well, most of the
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  world does it kind of the American way.
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  So it's like the final couple of years of your high school
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  education. That's essentially what I was
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  moving into. And those years flew by that
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  that really, really flew by. And I think it was, maybe it's
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  the cliche, you know, the best times are often the times that
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  fly by the quickest. You know, time flies when you're
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  having fun. That's how they say.
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  But then, you know, I've also experienced the classic like
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  this. This shift is dragging on.
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  I hate this job. This drag job is dragging on.
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  And it, it feels like an eternity.
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  And, and especially when you can compare it like I've, I've
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  worked in jobs where I worked 4 hours in one place and four
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  hours in another and the two shifts felt completely
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  different. One flew by, the other dragged
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  like crazy and both were relatively busy.
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  So I think maybe like our perception, our feelings maybe
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  have or play an impact on how we perceive time maybe or so you.
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  It's not just like perceived times.
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  How much do you value your own time?
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  Right? Like when I was younger, I
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  didn't value my own time anywhere near as much as I do
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  now. I'd be willing to go out and
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  waste time doing stuff for like. I wouldn't necessarily call it
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  waste, I enjoyed it at the time, but I would go and sacrifice my
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  time for others in a way that wasn't really meaningful to
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  myself or to them really. I know what you mean, like when
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  I think about my teen years and my early 20s like this I wish I
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  was doing so much more. Now I I make every second count
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  as much as I can. I try to get as much as I can
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  done but the time escapes you before you know it.
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  Like the day is over. I don't know.
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  I mean a. Big part of it for me is I think
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  that people don't have goals, so when they don't have goals, they
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  don't have any meaningful direction to apply their time.
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  I've got this song on my album called Just Existing and the
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  lyrics is something to the effect of like, you know, people
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  tell you to live, but you know, you're just existing.
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  You're just kind of taking each day and and then just living in
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  that you're not really you're not living basically is the is
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  the point and you're. Existing just a Yeah, right.
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  And, and, you know, there's different points I was trying to
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  make with that, but it's, it's funny, when I was, when I
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  started thinking about it more and more, and I started seeing
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  and meeting people over the years who, who truly live in
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  that way. Because some people will argue,
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  Oh, well, it's experiential. You know, you're, you're going
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  after experiences And I, I, I'm all for that.
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  I think experiences are arguably more important than anything
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  else. You know, you're not going to
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  remember all the hours of work that you did on your deathbed.
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  You're going to remember the experiences you had, the good
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  times. You know, you'll think about the
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  bad times, but you'll think about how you persevered, how
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  you had the strength to carry on and so on and so forth.
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  I don't think anyone's sitting there thinking, man, I wish I'd
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  spent more hours in the office, you know, I wish I'd spent more
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  time just doing stuff I hate, you know, like, well.
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  What if it's someone who couldn't achieve their goals and
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  their goals involved being in the office more and therefore
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  their regret is that if I had worked harder, if I'd worked
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  more, I wouldn't be able to achieve my goals?
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  But then I think this kind of comes down to what you
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  experience in your life. Like, for example, I always say
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  about my current life, like, look, my life is not where it
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  where I want it to be right now. Things are kind of getting
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  desperate, kind of getting, you know, crazy bad, right?
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  But then I look at like, you know, this wonderful woman I've
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  met and the experiences I've had over the years and who I am as a
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  person. If, you know, things don't work
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  out right at the end of things, yeah, you might have regrets.
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  Like, oh, maybe I should have done XYZ.
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  But then I think you also have to be living day-to-day and, and
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  really paying attention to what's going on day-to-day
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  rather than just fully losing yourself in the goal.
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  Because life, life is the day-to-day.
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  Life isn't the, the goal, the end goal.
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  You know, life, life is the journey as they say.
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  And I think that if you get caught too caught up in in your
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  goals, you you forget to live essentially 1. 100% agreed.
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  But I just can't, I, I just wouldn't be comfortable telling
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  someone who's on their deathbed that like, imagine, imagine it's
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  Elon and he couldn't make it to Mars And he, he's on his
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  deathbed and he's like, man, I've only worked a bit harder.
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  I could have made it to Mars. I wouldn't really be comfortable
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  telling him like, hey, you lived a good life, you know, like, you
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  know, he really wanted to go to Mars.
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  He really worked hard at it. And it's a shame that he he
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  couldn't do it. What are you going to say?
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  Like, yeah, you're a failure man.
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  Like you should have spent more time working like.
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  Let's try to understand his point of view, which is that,
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  you know, he, it feels like he can do it.
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  In my opinion, it feels like he can do it.
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  And if he, if for some reason he gets I'll, he's not able to do
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  it. It's it's an unfortunate story
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  and I you'd have to try to understand from his point of
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  view. Sure, but I I look at things
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  like it's all a matter of perspective, you know?
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  You can choose to be hung up on what you didn't achieve, or you
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  can choose to focus on what you did achieve.
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  My my personal thing is you should probably optimize for
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  happiness. So as long as you live the happy
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  life and does it matter if you really achieve your goals or
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  not? Well, yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, you know, when I look at my goals and my cons, my work
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  ethic, for example, I've I what I figured out at a young age
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  that for me the most important thing is to have goals and have
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  work. I can't just sit around doing
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  nothing all the time. Like that will make me
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  depressed. Like I have to have things I'm
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  working on. Obviously I want them to
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  succeed. And when they don't succeed, I,
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  I, you know, I be honest, I feel like a bit of a failure, but
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  then I never, I never regret trying, which I guess is like
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  kind of the whole point, isn't it?
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  It's like, yeah, you could always work harder, but if you
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  tried your best, is that enough? I mean, can you do, can't do
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  better than your best? Do you know what I mean?
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  I mean, I just, I, I think it comes that almost makes it seem
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  like, oh, if you tried your best and you failed, then you just
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  weren't good enough. And it's like, damn, man, that
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  just seems real. I wouldn't really say is you're
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  not good enough. Once again, going back to my
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  personal philosophy, it's a lack of information.
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  If you know what to do, then you'll if you know what to do
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  when you do it, then you'll, you'll accomplish your goals,
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  right. Like if you, if you have if
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  what? What's the word saying?
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  I have it's you can do anything if you know how to do it.
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  There it is. You can do anything if you know
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  how to do it. So it's, it's like a lack of
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  information. Like, for example, if imagine
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  your life was a game and on the top right, there's like a quest,
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  a quest marker or and it's like you need to do this next in
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  order to achieve your goals. Unfortunately, in real life, you
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  don't have that quest marker, so you don't necessarily know what
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  to do. Whereas if you didn't, yeah.
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  Whereas if you didn't know what to do, you do, you would just do
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  it and then accomplish your goals.
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  So that's the really hard part about navigating goals in real
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  life, because you typically don't know what to do at all
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  time. What happens when you play an
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  RPG? You're following the quest line,
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  you're following the story. You're walking down the road.
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  What happens? Sorry, can you repeat that?
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  So you're playing an RPG. You're walking on a journey
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  somewhere towards the main quest.
• 20:37
  What happens? No, it's typically scripted
• 20:39
  right? Is that what you're going for?
• 20:41
  No, but you're right. But like in the pursuit of said
• 20:45
  gold, the journey side quest happens.
• 20:50
  A side quest here, a side quest there.
• 20:52
  Before you know it, you're getting caught up in all these
• 20:54
  different things. You haven't forgotten the main
• 20:56
  goal, but you're getting sidetracked.
• 20:58
  Now, some of those side quests are really important and they
• 21:02
  serve to to serve the hero's journey and and maybe help even
• 21:08
  further towards that main goal. Some of the side quests are just
• 21:11
  a waste of fucking time, and some of them are just a good
• 21:15
  experience, something worth experiencing.
• 21:19
  I really do feel like life is a lot like a computer game, right?
• 21:24
  Because if you think about it like everything kind of checks
• 21:27
  out, you know? If you ignore the main story,
• 21:30
  then you never really realise your potential and you never
• 21:33
  complete the story, so to speak, right?
• 21:35
  If you're only focused on that and nothing else, you miss life,
• 21:39
  everything going on around you. Like for example I played like
• 21:43
  GTA and Skyrim back in the day. Like RPGs Imagine if you only
• 21:47
  played the main story and just ignored everything else You.
• 21:50
  Just could have a good time. You could have a good time.
• 21:53
  Yeah, but you'd miss out on so much.
• 21:56
  So. Imagine, imagine, imagine you're
• 21:58
  on your deck bed, right? What's your?
• 21:59
  What's your objective right? Well no.
• 22:01
  Imagine you're under your deathbed and I sit there with a
• 22:04
  list of like OK so you achieved your goal, well done, but here's
• 22:07
  a list of all the things you missed out on.
• 22:10
  I just list the world and you're like damn I always should stop
• 22:14
  for 5 minutes. Just something question, do you
• 22:17
  care about those things that you missed out on If If you don't
• 22:20
  care about them then it's not a non issue.
• 22:22
  But if you care about them, perhaps you should have added
• 22:24
  them onto your goals well before you were dying.
• 22:28
  That's what people have. That's why people have a bucket
• 22:30
  list, right? Have you ever had like, a buddy
• 22:32
  invite you out and you didn't want to go, but you thought,
• 22:36
  screw it, I'll just come, like, let's just see what happens.
• 22:39
  And then you did that and it led to something brilliant.
• 22:43
  Yeah, all the time. This is how I actually think
• 22:46
  about it. It's like I, I think I mentioned
• 22:49
  it last time, I kind of see the world in terms of math where
• 22:51
  it's like, what am I giving up in order to go out and what am I
• 22:53
  potential gains, right. So, you know, I, I could, I
• 22:56
  could have a good time, I could meet somebody new, I could
• 22:59
  change my life. And it typically is like by not
• 23:02
  going out, I'm, I'm either working or slacking off.
• 23:05
  So I could, I'm always going to be working or slacking off.
• 23:08
  Well, as long as I have the the capabilities to, I should try to
• 23:11
  experience as much as I can. I just love the concept of of
• 23:14
  like mathematically. Looking at that going like, I
• 23:17
  wonder if it's mathematically advantageous for me to get shit
• 23:20
  faced with the boys. I don't even get shit faced, but
• 23:25
  to go out, yeah. But well, that's the thing, like
• 23:27
  I've got, I've got a good friend and who always introduces me to
• 23:29
  people and I've ended up sometimes working with those
• 23:31
  people, doing things with those people or just having a good
• 23:34
  night. But it's there's never that been
• 23:36
  a wasted night. You know, it's always been a
• 23:38
  good time, even if it is just hanging out and.
• 23:42
  Not only that, it's like important to happiness to go be
• 23:46
  social. Right, and also that that will
• 23:49
  serve in terms of your main goal, because if you're happy,
• 23:52
  you're going to be in a better mindset to achieve things,
• 23:55
  right? Like for instance, right now I I
• 23:57
  mentioned before I'm, I'm kind of my life is, is kind of
• 24:01
  crumbling apart right now, but I'm in this podcast and I'm
• 24:04
  enjoying this and I don't know, I don't know, maybe this will
• 24:08
  help with the mood thing and then I'll discover something
• 24:11
  later that will fix my bigger issue that I'm dealing with.
• 24:15
  You know, it's like there's. Other things too, right?
• 24:17
  Like, I'm not saying this will happen, but by going on more
• 24:21
  podcasts and having interesting conversations, one of them could
• 24:25
  lead you down a different path in life, right?
• 24:28
  So I'm not saying this will happen.
• 24:30
  Perhaps one of the clips that we have here will blow up and I'll
• 24:32
  allow you to find some success. Don't count on it.
• 24:35
  But it it is, there's a possibility, right?
• 24:39
  I love that. It's the idea of surface area,
• 24:43
  right? The more things you touch, the
• 24:44
  more likely one of them will change your life.
• 24:47
  Absolutely. And this is what I've tried to
• 24:49
  explain to people when it comes to like content creation.
• 24:52
  Like I do everything because I enjoy it, right?
• 24:54
  And because I believe in it and I want it to succeed.
• 24:57
  Even if one thing succeeds, I'll be happy, right?
• 25:00
  And my idea of success is different, I think, from a lot
• 25:03
  of other people's. That being said, I always give
• 25:07
  it my all in everything I do because I'm truly invested in
• 25:10
  it. You know, like I always wanted
• 25:12
  to do a podcast. Whether or not it becomes a big
• 25:14
  success or not is kind of neither here nor there.
• 25:16
  Like it will still be a success in my mind because there was a
• 25:21
  point when it didn't seem possible and then I did it.
• 25:24
  And now all these years later, I'm still doing it.
• 25:26
  And I don't know, I feel like it's just, it's something that I
• 25:30
  do now, which is kind of crazy to think about.
• 25:33
  Like, oh, that's just something you do, but it's not just
• 25:36
  something you do. It's like, oh, this is something
• 25:38
  that I do that because let's face it, you hear that When I
• 25:42
  get it, when I hear someone say, oh, I'm starting a podcast, a
• 25:45
  part of me winces. I cringe a little bit.
• 25:47
  I'm like, and then I'm like, all right, well, let's see.
• 25:51
  Look, because oh, you know, some people do take it seriously.
• 25:54
  I've seen it. Some people, this is what I've
• 25:57
  said this before on the show, but this is the standard thing.
• 26:00
  You set up a podcast, get past 7 episodes.
• 26:03
  There seems to be the seven episode thing is, is is pretty
• 26:07
  common. I think my first podcast
• 26:09
  actually failed after 7 episodes because the other two weren't
• 26:12
  interested in doing it anymore, which is fair enough, but I
• 26:15
  wanted to keep going right. And so they say like get past
• 26:19
  your first seven and then I think like after 50 is like your
• 26:22
  next milestone, then the 100 and then it then it becomes more
• 26:27
  about years rather than episodes.
• 26:29
  You know, after six years of doing this, I think I look at
• 26:35
  things very differently now. You know, like I, I think the
• 26:39
  show is when I, when I try to sell it to people, I suppose
• 26:45
  it's life stories, deep dive conversations.
• 26:48
  You never know where it can go. And I think that's, you know,
• 26:52
  maybe it's not the best selling point ever, but for me, it's
• 26:55
  accurate because it's just an interesting conversation and you
• 26:59
  don't know where it's going to go.
• 27:02
  I tried to look at it like from the classic sense of what a
• 27:04
  podcast was and should be, which is if I'm sat there and I'm, you
• 27:08
  know, on a car journey to God knows where, I'm on the train
• 27:12
  and I'm from, you know, coming from work.
• 27:13
  And I'm just like, I just want to put something in my ears.
• 27:17
  I think something like this would be the kind of thing I'd
• 27:20
  want to listen to potentially, you know?
• 27:25
  Then if we think about it from like a business point of view,
• 27:27
  then it becomes how many people out there would potentially gain
• 27:31
  value from this? And then it becomes a matter of
• 27:32
  how do you reach the people that would get value from this?
• 27:36
  Yeah, and this is the thing I'm always trialling as well is, you
• 27:40
  know, different titles, promotion tactics, etcetera.
• 27:45
  So much of it is luck. You know, I do clips, I do a
• 27:48
  post everywhere. I'm it's luck at the draw, man.
• 27:51
  It's luck at the draw, you know, Who knows?
• 27:53
  But like you said, the more things you touch, the more
• 27:56
  chances there are. I've made a lot of connections
• 27:58
  through this show, and I think that's quite interesting.
• 28:03
  And yeah, because the the podcast is not the only thing I
• 28:05
  do in life. It's a thing that I do.
• 28:07
  I'm very proud of it. I like to keep it going.
• 28:11
  I believe in it. But it's, it's, it's like, it's
• 28:15
  what it's a thing that I do and it kind of connects everything,
• 28:19
  you know, because it's having these experiences elsewhere in
• 28:22
  life hasn't made it easier for me to have conversations because
• 28:25
  there's more I can relate to with people because I feel like
• 28:30
  it's, it's tricky sometimes to have conversations with people
• 28:33
  you don't relate to. You can you know it, but it's
• 28:37
  difficult. But at least if you know, and
• 28:39
  you can have experienced different things in life, you've
• 28:42
  kind of got like a, a grounding or you can at least be like, all
• 28:45
  right, well, I understand this type of person or you know, I
• 28:48
  understand what where they're coming from.
• 28:50
  So we can have a conversation kind of based on that.
• 28:53
  But then, you know, people, people surprise you, you know,
• 28:59
  So that's, that's interesting, I think.
• 29:02
  Yeah, I actually have a framework for it.
• 29:04
  I call it the domain expansion model of world view, where the
• 29:08
  larger your world view is, the better.
• 29:10
  The better you are able to understand things like other
• 29:12
  people's perspectives. Absolutely.
• 29:15
  Let's move it forward. This is interesting how hitting
• 29:21
  rock bottom can force a kind of evolution.
• 29:24
  All right, so I like the lost over this last time because for
• 29:26
  me, it wasn't really like for me when I was in my depression, my
• 29:31
  only thought was, OK, how do I get out?
• 29:34
  So I just did whatever I could to get out.
• 29:36
  But this would be, let's say, October, November last year
• 29:39
  where I was still working on my, on my job.
• 29:43
  And I want to say objectively speaking, most people would say
• 29:47
  that I, I would be, it would have been successful.
• 29:50
  All right, I'd had a high paying job.
• 29:52
  I own my own house. I have a lot of the landmarks
• 29:55
  that people would say that they're aiming for.
• 29:58
  Yeah. I didn't feel like I was winning
• 30:00
  a life. I actually felt like I was
• 30:02
  losing quite badly. And I just had to really think
• 30:05
  about that. Like, what is it about my life
• 30:09
  that I'm unhappy with? And it turned like the
• 30:13
  conclusion I came to was that I wasn't living the life I wanted.
• 30:16
  I was living the life that other people said they want.
• 30:19
  And the idea. So I, I think I, I touched on it
• 30:22
  last time, which is that I'm able to see the world a bit
• 30:24
  differently now. And it seems that when I was at
• 30:26
  rock bottom, I, I manifested this ability or whatever,
• 30:30
  however you want to say it. So when I thought about how this
• 30:36
  isn't a unique situation, it, it, it, it just seems to be a
• 30:41
  pattern that when people hit rock bottom, something changes.
• 30:43
  So 2 examples here. Oh, there's multiple, but I'll
• 30:46
  use three examples. So #1 would be David Goggins.
• 30:50
  David Goggins was a fairly large individual and he hit what he
• 30:54
  said to be a rock bottom and after that he completely changed
• 30:56
  his life and became like a Navy SEAL and he's one of the fittest
• 30:58
  people on the planet. Yeah, I read about this guy does
• 31:02
  quite impassioned speeches, isn't he?
• 31:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a similar story with
• 31:07
  other people. So when you say that like when
• 31:08
  he hit rock bottom, his superpower was becoming like a
• 31:11
  superhuman or whatever it is. And Ray Dalio was another
• 31:15
  someone else I look up to. And it, it was like in his
• 31:18
  series where he was very rash with his bets and he thought
• 31:21
  that, you know, he thought that he was right most of the time.
• 31:25
  So he went all in on a bet and ended up losing like millions of
• 31:28
  dollars. He he had a company and he went
• 31:30
  down to like, I forget what it was negative, whatever.
• 31:33
  And he had to borrow money from his dad to pay rent or whatever.
• 31:36
  So he hit rock bottom and his, his perspective completely
• 31:40
  changed. So he went from thinking I'm
• 31:42
  right about everything to what could I possibly be wrong about?
• 31:46
  And whenever he approached any of his bets going forward, that
• 31:49
  was his, that was, that was his way, the way that he saw the
• 31:52
  world. And then he grew with water to
• 31:54
  become like the largest investment firm in the world
• 31:56
  after that. So another one, another
• 32:00
  individual that I look up to his name is Alex Harmosi.
• 32:02
  He started a couple of businesses and I think he when
• 32:05
  he failed his second business, he completely changed how he saw
• 32:08
  business. And now he runs like he holds
• 32:11
  the Guinness Book of World records for revenue generated
• 32:16
  from like a book sales. He sold over $100 million worth
• 32:18
  of books in one weekend. So these are all people that
• 32:22
  have experience like rock bottom and as a result of it, they
• 32:25
  experience some sort of transformation.
• 32:27
  And I kind of view what happened to me back late last year as
• 32:31
  something similar where it, it's strange though, like I didn't
• 32:34
  lose anything. I just wasn't happy in my life
• 32:36
  and, and it felt to me like rock bottom and as a result of that I
• 32:41
  I'm now a completely different person, I'd say.
• 32:44
  So what was the shift then? What was the the realization
• 32:48
  point like? What took me through the
• 32:49
  process? I I've always been interested in
• 32:51
  entrepreneurship. I've started like 4 businesses
• 32:55
  vested like heavily, not heavily invested enough into them.
• 32:57
  Heavily for a regular person. Couple $1000 for a regular
• 33:00
  person into into a lot of these businesses and I just didn't
• 33:03
  know what I was doing. So all of them failed, which is
• 33:05
  fine. Like you, for me, it's like you
• 33:07
  got to get reps in. If you don't know what you're
• 33:09
  doing, get the reps in to learn and then use your learnings to
• 33:13
  do better next time. So in entrepreneurship, when you
• 33:17
  listen to a lot of the very successful entrepreneurs like
• 33:22
  Alex, like to see what I mentioned Alex for Mosey Ray
• 33:23
  Dalio, they often refer to it as a game.
• 33:27
  And I just didn't know what that meant.
• 33:30
  So I was like, OK, so if life's a game, why do I feel like I'm
• 33:33
  losing? Why is it that despite all,
• 33:36
  despite my life, like things seem to be pretty good, why do I
• 33:39
  feel like I'm losing? So I really broke down what it
• 33:42
  meant for life to be a game. And it was in that analysis that
• 33:48
  I realized, oh, life is a game and I'm just not playing it
• 33:52
  right. I'm not playing it right.
• 33:53
  I'm playing someone else's game. I'm not playing my own game.
• 33:55
  So a different way to think about it is beforehand, life was
• 33:59
  just kind of happening to me and I was going with the flow.
• 34:02
  And, you know, through luck and through whatever, I managed to
• 34:06
  end up in a part that allowed me to be fairly successful from a
• 34:10
  monetary point of view, but not successful from like a spiritual
• 34:14
  soul point of view. And now I took a step back from
• 34:18
  all that and I'm deciding to play life my own way.
• 34:21
  And that would probably be I, I'd say that's the biggest
• 34:24
  change. OK.
• 34:26
  And with I, I guess what I really want to gauge is taking
• 34:31
  yourself from that depressed state to that more motivated
• 34:34
  state, because for people that have hit rock bottom, it's
• 34:37
  difficult to push yourself out of it, to be honest.
• 34:42
  A lot of people, like a lot of people are not in positions like
• 34:45
  I am where they're able to change your life completely and
• 34:48
  still have some wiggle room to manoeuvre right.
• 34:51
  Like I, I'm very fortunate in that I set myself up in a way
• 34:54
  that I can probably last 5 to 10 years without making another
• 34:59
  dollar. But that's because I still live
• 35:00
  with my parents. Like I, I still, I saved a lot
• 35:04
  of money from, from the time I was working and, and it's
• 35:08
  through those factors and others and I'm able to live life the
• 35:12
  way I want. But a lot of people are living
• 35:14
  paycheck by paycheck and they can't just go and, and, and play
• 35:20
  life on their own terms. But the hope that I have is by
• 35:27
  I, I, I think it's an information thing, right?
• 35:28
  They don't know how to play life on their own terms.
• 35:30
  They don't know how to get themselves in that situation.
• 35:31
  They don't know how to view life mathematically and mechanically
• 35:35
  to play the game. Like imagine you're playing
• 35:37
  Monopoly, but you don't know what you're doing.
• 35:38
  It's going to be very hard to end up in a winning position.
• 35:42
  Whereas if you learn the mechanics, you learn the rules,
• 35:45
  you learn like how compounding works, how skills develop, how
• 35:48
  how to trade value, stuff like that will put you in a better
• 35:51
  position to not necessarily like like win the game on your terms.
• 35:56
  Problem I have with this though is you can understand something
• 35:58
  completely and still suck at it, you know?
• 36:00
  Whereas a lot of people get dumb luck.
• 36:02
  So it's like you increase your chances, sure, That doesn't mean
• 36:07
  you're going to win, you know? Well, winning is different
• 36:09
  depending on the person, right? Like for me, winning, I don't
• 36:12
  really know what winning looks like to me yet I'm still, I'm
• 36:14
  still trying to play the game. But winning, winning beforehand
• 36:16
  wasn't making money because I, I, I had that and I don't think
• 36:19
  I was winning. And for a lot of people, winning
• 36:22
  means like having having children, having a family or
• 36:25
  whatnot. Yeah, that's important.
• 36:28
  But I guess what I mean is like, OK, let's say you and I invest
• 36:32
  in something, right? And we both understand the way
• 36:36
  investment works perfectly. We, we both bet on the same, I
• 36:41
  don't know, let's say we bet in the same field of pharmaceutical
• 36:46
  companies, right? I pick Pfizer, you put Madonna
• 36:51
  or some shit like that, right? And I make millions and you make
• 36:55
  a loss. But we had the same information,
• 36:58
  same setup, same knowledge base, all of this.
• 37:01
  That's just pure luck at that point.
• 37:03
  But it's not though, right? Because we had the same
• 37:04
  information and you pick 1 and I pick the other, then our
• 37:07
  judgement was different. So if there's something, there's
• 37:10
  something about your information that was superior to mine.
• 37:12
  Maybe, but assuming we both made the same sort of similar
• 37:17
  judgement call, but we just picked one over the other.
• 37:20
  And I think a lot of people do that is what I'm saying.
• 37:23
  Like when I hear about people becoming like crypto
• 37:24
  millionaires, I just know a lot of them just threw some money
• 37:28
  and just happened to get the right one as opposed to actually
• 37:32
  that's. Like winning the lottery, right?
• 37:33
  Like there, there's a chance of that happening, but it's like a
• 37:36
  bad strategy to count on it. No, Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 37:40
  Yeah, you've got to spread because.
• 37:41
  Most people aren't becoming crypto millionaires, most people
• 37:43
  are putting money into crypto and losing.
• 37:44
  So when you understand how the game works, it makes sense you
• 37:48
  they're what they're effectively doing is pumping and dumping.
• 37:51
  Yeah, it's just crazy how much that that strategy works for
• 37:53
  people it. Well, it works because they're
• 37:57
  praying on people with less information.
• 38:02
  So they're placing their bets against other people,
• 38:04
  essentially. They have to break it down.
• 38:08
  Well, a lot of the people that do become crypto millionaires
• 38:10
  are they're early to it, right? So they, they have the
• 38:13
  information that the crypto price is low right now.
• 38:16
  So they're buying in and then they tell everybody else about
• 38:19
  this low crypto price that causes it to pump.
• 38:21
  And then now they have the information that it's probably
• 38:23
  about as high as it's going to get.
• 38:24
  So they sell or other people still believe that it's going to
• 38:27
  go up. So it's it really is an
• 38:28
  information asymmetry. Let's talk about YouTube, your
• 38:33
  goals with YouTube. You say here you'd like to kind
• 38:36
  of talk about your goals and what makes YouTube realistic or
• 38:40
  delusional as a path. And I thought this was quite
• 38:43
  interesting because I mean, anyone could become a YouTube
• 38:49
  but and it's still a viable path, but it is heavily
• 38:52
  commercialized these days and the platform is completely
• 38:54
  different than it was 5101520 years ago.
• 38:58
  But let's deep dive into this. Why?
• 39:01
  How does your mind work when it comes to YouTube and your
• 39:04
  personal goals? Yeah.
• 39:06
  So when it comes to how I view goals is goals is just something
• 39:09
  that's a distance away in time and then you have to take steps
• 39:13
  towards that goal. So my goal on YouTube is to be
• 39:17
  self efficient on YouTube. So if I lower my upkeep, which
• 39:20
  I've done significantly, I just need to make a minimum amount of
• 39:23
  money in order to be self-sustaining on YouTube.
• 39:26
  And the way how I see it is there that that path exists.
• 39:30
  Like there, that goal exists, whether whether it be a
• 39:32
  subscriber count or whatever it is, at some point if I take
• 39:36
  enough steps in that direction, I should be be able to be not
• 39:40
  necessarily get monetized, but just be self-sufficient on
• 39:42
  YouTube. So the then it becomes a matter
• 39:45
  of the steps that I'm taking. Are they bringing me in that
• 39:48
  direction or are they not bringing or are they putting me
• 39:50
  further away? And that's kind of where I was
• 39:53
  talking about earlier with like the, I wish I had like a quest
• 39:55
  marker in the top right where it's like do this next to get
• 39:57
  one step closer to your goals. But unfortunately, that's not
• 39:59
  the case. So all I can really do is take
• 40:01
  actions. And that action for the most
• 40:04
  part is creating YouTube videos. Obviously, there's a skill
• 40:08
  aspect. This is where the idea of
• 40:10
  leverage comes in. Leverage The best way I can
• 40:12
  explain it is imagine your goal is to dig a hole, you can do it
• 40:15
  with your hands which is going to be very difficult or you can
• 40:18
  spend some capital and buy some leverage in the formula shovel
• 40:21
  which makes every action move more earth and it makes it
• 40:24
  easier. Leverage In terms of achieving
• 40:26
  my goals as a YouTube will typically be like skill.
• 40:29
  The more skilled I am, each video should draw me more views
• 40:32
  and as long as I keep improving my skills each time I take an
• 40:36
  action, I should be able to move close, move more distance
• 40:39
  towards my goal. So that's the biggest thing is
• 40:42
  which is increasing YouTube skill.
• 40:45
  There's other ways to like the the main one is put out videos
• 40:48
  and improve with each one, but there's other ways to like I do
• 40:51
  have some capital, so I'm hiring an editor to help me out with
• 40:54
  that. And if the editor's able, if the
• 40:56
  editor edits my videos better than I can, then that means that
• 41:00
  I spent money on capital that increases my my leverage.
• 41:03
  So in terms of YouTube, eventually the goal, the
• 41:07
  objective is that eventually if I keep getting better and keep
• 41:10
  taking steps towards my goal, I will eventually get to a point
• 41:13
  where I can be self-sustaining on it.
• 41:16
  So you're coming from pure logic then, as opposed to?
• 41:20
  I, I, I, I truly believe the world's mathematical and the
• 41:23
  there's, there's two, there's two things here that that
• 41:27
  identify as like challenges towards my goal.
• 41:29
  Number one is, is the market for my content large enough or can I
• 41:33
  make it large enough? Right?
• 41:35
  Like, for example, the market for iPhones didn't exist before
• 41:37
  the iPhone came out. So am I good?
• 41:40
  Am I good? The second one is, am I good
• 41:42
  enough? So can I get good enough and
• 41:44
  create this market? And I the bet is that I think I
• 41:48
  can, the probability that I signed to this is higher than
• 41:51
  50%. So I'm taking the shot.
• 41:52
  But yeah, for me it really is all math.
• 41:56
  Well, how do you feel about your current content then?
• 41:58
  Because you've been doing it just under a year, I think you
• 42:01
  said. Is that right?
• 42:02
  Really started it in at the end of January, yeah.
• 42:07
  OK. Oh, wow.
• 42:08
  No, no, no. So so yeah.
• 42:10
  Wow. Not even like like four months.
• 42:13
  Yeah, I, I released my first video back in August that's just
• 42:16
  kind of like a a fielder video and it did fairly well because
• 42:19
  it was political in nature. I have not released a political
• 42:21
  and nature video since and, and they had not done as well.
• 42:25
  But you know, that's like a signal, right?
• 42:27
  So maybe I should start by releasing political videos that
• 42:30
  are not like bipartisan, that are more so analytical.
• 42:33
  And perhaps I can build a base that way and transition over to
• 42:37
  more like game of life philosophy stuff afterwards.
• 42:40
  But yeah, I truly do believe it's all it's all math.
• 42:43
  Based on like studying algorithms and just looking at
• 42:46
  what everyone else is doing and stuff like that.
• 42:49
  Yeah, it's it. The more people I touch the the,
• 42:52
  the big thing is like, like, am I good enough, right.
• 42:55
  Is this content that I put out good enough to attract people to
• 42:58
  watch more? And I think it's a skill thing
• 43:01
  if if it's not good enough now, will it be good enough in one
• 43:04
  year? Will it be good enough in two
• 43:05
  years or three? And as long as I keep improving,
• 43:09
  if other people don't improve at a faster rate than I do, then I
• 43:13
  should eventually get good enough, OK?
• 43:15
  Well, let's apply that logic to my podcast, for example.
• 43:19
  I've been doing this six years. I today I have released 355
• 43:24
  episodes. I've interviewed way over 300
• 43:28
  people all around the world, but the show struggles to get, you
• 43:33
  know, like a handful of listeners across the different
• 43:36
  platforms it's on. So based on what you just said,
• 43:41
  does that mean my concept is just simply not as good as other
• 43:45
  people's? Well, what I would say is what
• 43:48
  is your goal? Is your goal to become like,
• 43:51
  successful off on your podcast or is your goal to have like
• 43:54
  pleasant conversations with people?
• 43:56
  The goal is for it to be a success, get sponsored, stuff
• 43:59
  like that. Yeah.
• 44:00
  So if that's the case, then what you're doing may not be taking
• 44:03
  steps in that direction. So I, I haven't seen all your
• 44:07
  podcasts and whatnot, but perhaps perhaps what are the
• 44:13
  things that other podcasts are doing that you aren't, for
• 44:15
  example? So once again, I, I don't know
• 44:18
  the history of your podcast, but have you had like big name
• 44:20
  guests on? Is the format and flow of your
• 44:23
  podcast similar to others? Yours is more conversational,
• 44:26
  whereas a lot of the top podcasts that I watched, they're
• 44:29
  more about, they're more story driven.
• 44:32
  And like, if you don't want to go in that direction, that's
• 44:36
  fine, right? Like you don't have to.
• 44:37
  But at the end of the day, you do have to find a way to
• 44:40
  increase your reach. And that comes down to your
• 44:44
  audience. So I don't know what kind of
• 44:47
  feedback you're getting from your audience.
• 44:48
  I don't know, I don't know like how many people you're touching
• 44:51
  with this, but ideally if your content was it more not ideally,
• 44:56
  realistically, if your content was more appealing to more
• 44:58
  people, then more people would watch it.
• 45:00
  So then it becomes a matter of what do you need to do to make
• 45:02
  your content more appealing to others.
• 45:04
  And I'm not a podcaster, so I don't know the answer to that,
• 45:08
  but I do, I do watch a lot of podcasts and I, I watch the full
• 45:14
  like 3 hour podcasts most of the time.
• 45:16
  And there are some differences I've noticed from from those
• 45:20
  podcasts to the ones that I've been on.
• 45:22
  And that's not to say that the ones I've been on are bad.
• 45:23
  It's just it's different because for them, it's like, you know,
• 45:28
  really high budget, really focused on storytelling, like
• 45:32
  the camera angle shifts and whatnot.
• 45:34
  I'm not saying that's what people want, but like, that's
• 45:36
  what they're doing. I'm not saying you should be
• 45:37
  doing that either. But if your goal was to become
• 45:39
  more like them, then using them as a model would probably be
• 45:43
  more beneficial than than like taking shots in the dark.
• 45:47
  Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing.
• 45:49
  Let's move it on. Let's talk about philosophy.
• 45:54
  What's your favorite philosophy? You know, in terms of
• 45:57
  philosophy, this is a bit I, I, I don't want to say that.
• 46:02
  What I would say is that my philosophy is very different
• 46:05
  from mainstream philosophy. And when I look at like
• 46:07
  mainstream philosophy content, a lot of it is just like
• 46:09
  referencing people from the past, which they're like, I
• 46:12
  respect them and all, but I, I'll be honest, I have not read
• 46:14
  a lot of their content. I have not read a lot of the
• 46:16
  books of old philosophers. And one of the reasons why is I
• 46:19
  don't want them to influence my thinking as it is now.
• 46:23
  So I want to fully develop my own thinking before I start
• 46:27
  delving into others. And my, my main philosophy right
• 46:31
  now is, you know, life is a game and things are deterministic and
• 46:34
  everything does seem to be like follow patterns and like going
• 46:41
  back to the math thing, if everything is truly
• 46:42
  deterministic and can be represented by math, then we
• 46:46
  should be able to like draw some conclusions from the things that
• 46:51
  we're observing Right now. It's it's like scientific in a
• 46:53
  way, but not really because I'm not actually doing any testing.
• 46:55
  See, I, I think you're missing out on a lot though by I get, I
• 46:58
  get it. I get like wanting to get to a
• 47:01
  point where you're. Developing my own before I
• 47:05
  absorb, right? Yeah.
• 47:07
  Yeah. Well, you're fully clear about
• 47:08
  what you think. I I understand that.
• 47:09
  I think I respect that. But you're inevitably going to
• 47:13
  come across philosophies through the course of, of doing that
• 47:18
  that exist out there. That's definitely.
• 47:20
  It's not like it's not like I'm not.
• 47:21
  It's not like I am not exposed to other philosophers.
• 47:24
  I 100% have been exposed to other philosophers and their
• 47:26
  thoughts and their work. Even just like through
• 47:29
  psychology you got exposed like Thomas Holliff and his blank
• 47:31
  slate idea, but in terms of like reading their works and diving
• 47:36
  directly into their minds. I have read a couple of works,
• 47:39
  but it's not something that that I'm focused on.
• 47:43
  And I'm actually more focused on learning from people of the
• 47:46
  modern day. The reason for that is that I
• 47:52
  think that they have more to give.
• 47:54
  So not not to knock on the old philosophers, but a lot of the
• 47:57
  modern people, they have read it and they've added onto it and it
• 48:01
  turned into their own philosophy.
• 48:03
  And they they just don't call it philosophy because philosophy is
• 48:05
  or being a philosopher is something that people typically
• 48:07
  name, name you after you're dead or whatnot.
• 48:09
  Like Socrates didn't write anything himself.
• 48:11
  It was all Plato that wrote that wrote his stuff and pass his
• 48:15
  name down in history. The point I'm trying to make is
• 48:18
  that in terms of what is my favorite philosophy, I don't
• 48:21
  really. I I don't, I don't, I don't have
• 48:24
  a good answer for that because I'm still developing my own
• 48:27
  fair. Play, OK, Given the current
• 48:30
  state of the world, how engrossed people are in
• 48:33
  technology, content consumption, etcetera, we've sort of covered
• 48:36
  this earlier, but do you think people really care or think
• 48:40
  about the philosophy of life anymore?
• 48:42
  I think people aren't exposed to it, and if you're not exposed to
• 48:45
  it, you don't think you don't care.
• 48:47
  So unfortunately, the way that society seems to be set up is
• 48:50
  you're exposed to like whatever it is that the algorithm gives
• 48:53
  you and the algorithm does give you what you want.
• 48:57
  But I think that's. What you need?
• 49:01
  Yeah, I wish it gave you what you need, but I think that if
• 49:06
  people were to slow down and think about these things, that
• 49:09
  it would be something that they'd be interested in.
• 49:11
  There's a YouTube I watched named William Tennyson.
• 49:15
  He's a fitness YouTube and he recently did a three day fast
• 49:23
  and as a part of that fast, one of the things he observed was
• 49:26
  that he was more in tuned with what was going on around him.
• 49:29
  So it it was really interesting and that like the consumption of
• 49:32
  food and the made him like detached from his everyday life.
• 49:37
  And I kind of feel that it's a very similar situation with like
• 49:41
  content, the consumption of brain rot, the consumption of
• 49:44
  everything is making people out of tuned with regular life or
• 49:48
  everyday life. And if they can somehow pull
• 49:52
  themselves away from it, then perhaps they could start really
• 49:56
  thinking about the deeper questions.
• 49:58
  I. Completely agree.
• 50:00
  You can't think that way, live online etcetera and experience a
• 50:10
  fulfilled life shall we say. Whenever I'm with people, I
• 50:15
  barely touch my phone, if at all.
• 50:18
  I'm there with them. I'm experiencing things and
• 50:22
  everything feeds into everything as well.
• 50:23
  Do you know what I mean? Like by experiencing these
• 50:26
  things, going out there, experiencing the world, you have
• 50:29
  more to, to talk about, you know, naturally, if you're just
• 50:32
  living online, what do you have to talk about that isn't already
• 50:36
  being spoken about or, you know, isn't just what everyone else is
• 50:39
  saying. Like, I don't know, I, I feel
• 50:42
  like it's a bit like songwriting, you know?
• 50:44
  I became a better songwriter once I'd actually lived a little
• 50:46
  bit, you know? Like how can you start to be
• 50:49
  able to draw from your own experiences and turn that into
• 50:52
  into lyrics, right? Right, But and it's also like,
• 50:55
  how can you talk about things you don't understand?
• 50:56
  Like how can you talk about love unless you've had your heart
• 50:59
  broken and as you experienced it yourself and you know what I
• 51:03
  mean? Like then now you've got a
• 51:04
  better, I thought we were saying before, you've got more
• 51:06
  experience to draw from and you're thus your success rate is
• 51:10
  going to be higher. So now you're delving into your
• 51:12
  mathematical mindset. But I, I do agree on that.
• 51:17
  But I will, I will say when it comes to philosophy, I think
• 51:21
  mathematically speaking, you're going to be more successful in
• 51:25
  being a philosopher, shall we say, once you have access to all
• 51:29
  that information from others, because right, you compare it to
• 51:34
  like what's going on with modern philosophy and everything.
• 51:38
  People are repurposing old things and putting it into new
• 51:41
  content. That's, that's happening all the
• 51:43
  time. You know, I, I see quotes in
• 51:44
  short videos all the time based on old philosophers and it's
• 51:48
  amazing how much of it really is timeless.
• 51:50
  I do think that your point about modern philosophy stands,
• 51:54
  though. I think like when you're talking
• 51:56
  about what's relevant for today's world, it's naturally
• 51:59
  going to be more advantageous to listen to someone who's talking
• 52:04
  about today's problems. But that being said, so many
• 52:07
  philosophers tend to make comments on life that even
• 52:11
  though life was different then, they still apply to today
• 52:14
  because it's about the basics of life as opposed to like, you
• 52:18
  know, if you're just talking about like, oh, hey, don't use a
• 52:22
  showing machine. Use this other thing which is a
• 52:24
  better. I don't know where this analogy
• 52:26
  is going, but you know what I mean?
• 52:27
  Like technology, things like that change all the time.
• 52:31
  But human beings, to be honest, don't really ever change.
• 52:34
  That's the fascinating thing. Yeah, 100%.
• 52:37
  Like right now I'm reading Marcus Aurelius's Meditations,
• 52:40
  and a lot of what he has to say in that is just completely spot
• 52:43
  on with how I feel today. Yeah.
• 52:48
  It is, it's great as well because you can just like jump
• 52:50
  into it at any point. I, I really love this idea that
• 52:54
  he was just sitting there a lot of the time just thinking or
• 52:56
  just writing like random stuff. And sometimes you get, he always
• 52:59
  gets like angry. It's just funny.
• 53:01
  It just sounds like ranting, but some of it's really profound.
• 53:06
  And I think the biggest thing I take away from it is it's good
• 53:09
  to sit and ponder about life and that actually will help you with
• 53:15
  life. I have a book that I write in
• 53:18
  all the time. Whenever I find like a really
• 53:20
  good quote or I, I learn something poignant, I always
• 53:24
  write it down in there and it's always good to kind of go back
• 53:26
  and reflect and, and stuff like that.
• 53:30
  Yeah, definitely. And the really interesting thing
• 53:32
  about him is I believe he's the only philosopher king.
• 53:36
  Maybe. There you go, It's a bit.
• 53:39
  Maybe being a king makes you more a better philosopher, No?
• 53:42
  No, he's the only one that was a king and a philosopher.
• 53:46
  That's what I mean, that maybe that's why because he was a
• 53:48
  king, maybe, maybe the rest just didn't have that king insight,
• 53:53
  that royal insight. Yeah, when I look at other
• 53:56
  philosophy content on YouTube, a lot of it is just referencing
• 53:59
  old philosophers, and I saw something I'm super interested
• 54:02
  in. I'm more so interested in how
• 54:03
  the world works today. So anything you see that's just
• 54:06
  nonsense, pure nonsense. Any trends, anything like that?
• 54:10
  Just like people talking out of their ass a bit or people just
• 54:14
  talking about stuff that doesn't have any meaning or?
• 54:16
  All the time, all the time. One thing that I that I'm really
• 54:22
  that bothers me when it more probably more than it should is
• 54:25
  people that like jump to wrong conclusions.
• 54:30
  Yeah. So what was the big one?
• 54:31
  It was something like I was watching one about debt and the
• 54:37
  guy made a conclusion that the reason why companies set up pay
• 54:42
  as pay as you go or Klarna or whatnot was because they, they
• 54:45
  were trying to like trick you into like spending more money.
• 54:47
  I'm like, no, they're not trying to trick you into doing
• 54:49
  anything. The reason why they do it is
• 54:51
  because it works. Like if, if they put Klarna on
• 54:54
  their website and their revenue goes up from it, it's not
• 54:57
  because they're tricking you into doing anything.
• 54:58
  It's because you yourself are spending more money when they
• 55:00
  put the Klarna button there. And yeah, I don't know, it just
• 55:03
  seems like everybody's trying to make people out to be the
• 55:05
  villain. But it's not like you're
• 55:07
  Victoria, you're you're passing the blame on somebody else.
• 55:10
  It's tricky, you know, because manipulation tactics do exist.
• 55:16
  Yeah, I'll give you the example. Years ago, when I worked in a
• 55:21
  supermarket, and I've told this story before, we had, I don't
• 55:28
  know, like temporary displayment.
• 55:30
  Temporary product displays, they will pop up made of cardboard,
• 55:36
  just pop them anywhere, right? Normally they just have like
• 55:40
  magazine suites, some sort of novelty item, something that's
• 55:44
  on sale, whatever. And you put them there and
• 55:47
  you're relying on people just passing by and they might just
• 55:49
  grab it while they're browsing, you know, because as people do
• 55:51
  that, you know, they, they come in like thinking, oh, I'm going
• 55:54
  to get this this and this. And then they end up buying way
• 55:56
  more than that. That's just how people work
• 55:58
  generally speaking. I remember that in the women's
• 56:01
  section of this supermarket, women's products like sanitary
• 56:05
  towel, stuff like that one one year we put a confectionery
• 56:10
  stand there, pop up confectionery stand.
• 56:14
  And I just, I remember thinking, oh, that's a bit random, but it
• 56:17
  was genius because on there was a selection of different
• 56:21
  chocolates, but then there was also a lot of dark chocolate.
• 56:25
  And apparently women eat a lot, tend to eat a lot of dark
• 56:30
  chocolate when they're experiencing their period
• 56:32
  because it has iron in it. And that's something that their
• 56:35
  body loses because they lose a lot of blood.
• 56:37
  So they lose a lot of iron. So they that helps basically.
• 56:41
  And also just chocolate, endorphins, all that.
• 56:45
  I just found that really interesting because it's like
• 56:48
  purposeful and kind of manipulative, but.
• 56:52
  You're right, I want to take out the the manipulator part and and
• 56:56
  and think about it differently, whereas if it didn't work you
• 56:58
  wouldn't do it. Yeah.
• 56:58
  But what I'm saying is from the perspective of, you know, that
• 57:02
  people are going to buy this thing, you know, it's on their
• 57:07
  mind, in their subconscious. So, you know, you're
• 57:09
  manipulating them and pushing them into that decision.
• 57:11
  However, you're not forcing them.
• 57:14
  They make that decision themselves, but it's like
• 57:17
  subliminal messaging, you know? It's like, oh, I'm just going to
• 57:19
  put this can of Coke everywhere in the film and lo and behold,
• 57:22
  this week this person's going to be buying Coca-Cola, you know?
• 57:26
  But it depends how susceptible you are to these things.
• 57:29
  See, a lot of people will just go by and go, oh, that's a great
• 57:31
  idea, chocolate. Other people will go see what
• 57:33
  you're trying to do. But not a lot of people will be
• 57:37
  like, I see the plan. Most people will just be like,
• 57:40
  oh great. So it's the framing, right?
• 57:42
  The way how I would frame it is that by putting the chocolate
• 57:45
  here, I am it, it works. People are buying it.
• 57:48
  Whereas other people would frame it as, oh, you'd be like, this
• 57:52
  is a greedy tactic to try to make money.
• 57:53
  It's like, yes, it's a greedy tactic to try to make money
• 57:55
  because the objective is a big money and it works.
• 57:58
  And if it didn't work, I wouldn't do it.
• 58:00
  That's kind of how I see it. Interesting.
• 58:04
  Well, it's. Like like once again, you're not
• 58:06
  forcing people to buy chocolate. It's just, it's just here's,
• 58:09
  here's, here's one from from when I was working on Costco.
• 58:12
  What we found is that if we highlight the promos, people
• 58:16
  would buy it more. So imagine like, you know, a
• 58:18
  shirt that's like $7.00 off. If we just take a hard lighter
• 58:22
  and we highlight the $7.00 off, sales will go up.
• 58:25
  Are we manipulating people or, you know, we're telling them
• 58:28
  there's a sale and by highlighting that seven, our
• 58:30
  sales go up. So we're just going to do it
• 58:32
  because it works. Yeah, I I get.
• 58:33
  I get it, and I would do the same if I was in that position.
• 58:37
  Because it's business. As long as you, as long as the
• 58:39
  stuff you do isn't is like like a moral, morally unjustifiable
• 58:43
  decision. Yes, business tactics.
• 58:45
  But it, it, it is manipulative because look, that word has
• 58:48
  negative connotations. You can manipulate people and it
• 58:52
  can lead to a positive outcome and it can be something that
• 58:55
  isn't going to affect them in any major way, Right?
• 59:01
  But then you can manipulate someone and completely ruin
• 59:03
  their life as well. People get manipulated every
• 59:06
  single day. I learned this in marketing.
• 59:09
  Marketing taught me the way the world really works which is
• 59:13
  everything is manipulation. Like even even even like little
• 59:16
  things like with family members. Love.
• 59:18
  Love can be a form of manipulation.
• 59:21
  People can use the fact that they know that you love them and
• 59:27
  so on and so forth, and they'll kind of edge you into decisions.
• 59:30
  And like I say, sometimes with my partner and I'm like, certain
• 59:33
  things I'm like, yeah, all right.
• 59:35
  Other things I'm like, I like. To think of it more of a
• 59:37
  negotiation than yes. Yeah, although I hate the idea
• 59:41
  of it being a business transaction, but I guess I agree
• 59:43
  it. Doesn't have to be a business
• 59:45
  transaction like everything is a negotiation in a way, right?
• 59:49
  Yeah, absolutely. But something's more more so
• 59:53
  than like, it just kills the romance if it's too fucking
• 59:57
  negotiate. If it kills the romance, you
• 59:59
  think too much about it. Well, at the end of the day, it
• 1:00:02
  it is right like. Like the reason why you're able
• 1:00:04
  to sacrifice things for your partner is because you trust
• 1:00:06
  them, whereas if you didn't trust them, the negotiation
• 1:00:09
  would be a lot more a lot different.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:00:14
  This is interesting looking at a relationship as a business
• 1:00:17
  transaction, particularly if it's like.
• 1:00:19
  A top I wouldn't say it a bit like a negotiation.
• 1:00:21
  Sorry, negotiation. Negotiating for what we want.
• 1:00:25
  Because I'm not trying to extract money out of my wife.
• 1:00:26
  Not yet anyways. But she will on the divorce now.
• 1:00:30
  I'm just kidding. Touch words.
• 1:00:32
  I don't mean that you're going to live a lovely, lovely life.
• 1:00:34
  I actually, I think at the beginning of a relationship in
• 1:00:38
  particular, there is a lot of negotiation, particularly in the
• 1:00:42
  like the dating stage, you know, where you're trying to kind of
• 1:00:44
  gauge like, OK, what's your view on this?
• 1:00:47
  What do you want with this? Because you're looking ahead.
• 1:00:50
  You're like, if I invest more time into this, is it worth, Is
• 1:00:53
  it worth it? We're going to get what I want.
• 1:00:57
  And I no, no, I don't think a lot of people talk about this
• 1:00:59
  because they're like, oh, it was a whirlwind romance and
• 1:01:02
  everything was lovely. And it's like, yeah, but there
• 1:01:04
  was negotiation there. Let's be honest, There was
• 1:01:08
  there's a thought process going on A.
• 1:01:10
  Lot of people don't think too much about it because they don't
• 1:01:12
  know how to think about it. And I, I, I say this as someone
• 1:01:15
  who had no idea how to think about it going into my
• 1:01:17
  relationships, right? But the way how I see it now is
• 1:01:20
  a relationship is doing whatever you can to remain attractive to
• 1:01:23
  the other person. The moment you're no longer
• 1:01:25
  attractive to them, then that's when the relationship starts
• 1:01:28
  falling apart. And whatever the definition of
• 1:01:32
  that changes as you develop, right?
• 1:01:34
  Because in the beginning is typically a lot of it is a
• 1:01:37
  physical attraction, but that's the diversion that develops just
• 1:01:40
  like depend, like can they depend on you?
• 1:01:42
  If they can't depend on you, then your attractiveness goes
• 1:01:44
  down significantly. Physical attraction always still
• 1:01:45
  plays, plays a role, but to some more than others.
• 1:01:48
  And yeah. And, and understanding that
• 1:01:51
  later on in life, it, it's allowed me to, you know, remain
• 1:01:53
  more attractive to my, to my partner and, you know, put in
• 1:01:57
  the effort to do so. Any changes like you say?
• 1:02:00
  Like, I think it depends on what you place importance on.
• 1:02:03
  Like people, people that only place importance on attraction
• 1:02:06
  are mad. You people are crazy.
• 1:02:09
  Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's people that do that.
• 1:02:13
  I see that these gym, gym people sometimes where that's like
• 1:02:16
  their only thing in common. And then there's nothing wrong
• 1:02:18
  with going to the gym, right? But.
• 1:02:22
  I didn't know how to be attractive otherwise at the
• 1:02:25
  beginning, right when I was first trying to find a partner.
• 1:02:27
  I didn't know what it meant to be attractive in a relationship
• 1:02:30
  from like, from like a dependability, reliability
• 1:02:33
  standpoint. You hear it a lot, right?
• 1:02:36
  Where like a man will partner up with somebody and then they are
• 1:02:40
  unreliable in terms of like household chores and whatnot and
• 1:02:43
  that causes their partner to become unattractive them and
• 1:02:46
  leave them. I think, yeah.
• 1:02:47
  I mean, I think some of these things are things you learn
• 1:02:49
  growing up. Other things are on the job
• 1:02:53
  experience, you know, like it's, I think it depends and it
• 1:02:57
  depends on like you as a person, you know it for me, I, I hear a
• 1:03:02
  lot of couples talk about problems like, oh, my man, like
• 1:03:05
  he never does the dishes. He never, we talked about this
• 1:03:08
  last time, but like, but like, oh, he doesn't do this.
• 1:03:11
  Just take the bins out. He doesn't care.
• 1:03:14
  And like, I can see how things can escalate because if you
• 1:03:16
  can't just do the basics, it really does look like you're
• 1:03:19
  just lazy and you expect them to do it.
• 1:03:21
  And that's the issue, not the, the thing that you're not doing.
• 1:03:24
  It's just how it escalates. But it's crazy it goes down.
• 1:03:29
  Well, you know, just that, but like it's, it's just such easy
• 1:03:32
  stuff like, OK, you both live in the same place, right?
• 1:03:37
  And you can't do the dishes, you can't take out the bin.
• 1:03:40
  It takes like 2 seconds, man. Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:44
  Like and, and it's, it's just, it's easy.
• 1:03:47
  Like, I remember, I remember I did streams years ago during
• 1:03:50
  like COVID and sometimes, sometimes I'd be there like
• 1:03:53
  washing or something, something like tedious like that.
• 1:03:58
  That's where someone in the audience coined the phrase life
• 1:04:00
  maintenance. And I've never been able to look
• 1:04:02
  at it the same way because you never finish the washing.
• 1:04:05
  These things never end. They continue forever in
• 1:04:07
  perpetuity. You will never complete the
• 1:04:10
  washing. But anyway, there were just
• 1:04:13
  random women popping up and people I knew and they were
• 1:04:16
  like, oh, yeah, my guy never does that.
• 1:04:20
  He doesn't bother doing that. And I'm like, why?
• 1:04:23
  I was like, because they were like, oh, I can't believe you do
• 1:04:25
  these things. And I'm like, well, who else is
• 1:04:26
  going to do it? Because at the time I was in
• 1:04:29
  like a house share and I was, you know, all guys and we all
• 1:04:34
  cooked, cleaned, did everything ourselves because who else is
• 1:04:38
  going to do it? But I think there's a lot of
• 1:04:40
  guys who, you know, they move out home and they go immediately
• 1:04:45
  into a long term relationship with someone.
• 1:04:47
  And so it's almost like the mum passes the baton on to the
• 1:04:51
  girlfriend and the girlfriend takes it and and becomes the
• 1:04:54
  mum. But she's like, no, no, no, I'm
• 1:04:55
  not his mum. What the hell?
• 1:04:56
  Which is valid like. 100%. Criticism right, But then the
• 1:05:02
  guy then has to figure out ah, no, this is not acceptable I
• 1:05:06
  need to like pull my finger out my ass and and take
• 1:05:09
  responsibility and do stuff and I I don't know some guys are
• 1:05:12
  lazy other guys are like willing to learn and some guys just kind
• 1:05:16
  of get it from day one but. Well, I, I, you have to think
• 1:05:20
  about it from their point of view as well.
• 1:05:23
  And I, we can't paint a broad brush, but a lot of people in a
• 1:05:28
  lot of relationships, men are the breadwinners and they, they
• 1:05:31
  may feel as though with the amount of income that they bring
• 1:05:35
  home and the amount of work that they put in and their day job,
• 1:05:38
  that they deserve their time off when they're at home.
• 1:05:42
  I'm not saying that's the correct way of thinking.
• 1:05:44
  I'm saying that is one that is probably more common than we'd
• 1:05:47
  like to admit. And then it becomes like a lack
• 1:05:50
  of communication between what they expect and what their wife
• 1:05:53
  expects, which causes the breakdown their relationship.
• 1:05:56
  See, yeah, I got mixed feelings on that one because obviously
• 1:05:59
  most, most women these days work as well.
• 1:06:01
  So that argument doesn't really hold up.
• 1:06:03
  It's like, well, I've been at work all day as well, so come
• 1:06:05
  on, I think there's an argument. Entitlement, right?
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, because I make more money. Like I I deserve more of a
• 1:06:12
  break. I'm not saying it's the right
• 1:06:13
  way of thinking, but it it's our way of thinking.
• 1:06:16
  There's also the argument of like, my job is more physical
• 1:06:19
  than yours. There's that one.
• 1:06:23
  I think an even split is is or like, you know, you kind of what
• 1:06:28
  I've noticed with the girls updated is, is that like you
• 1:06:30
  kind of fall into a rhythm of like jobs you end up doing.
• 1:06:34
  You know, some jobs are just continuous, you know, keep
• 1:06:37
  things tidy, clean as you go, stuff like that.
• 1:06:40
  Take them out the bins. I normally end up doing that or
• 1:06:46
  you don't necessarily have to do the laundry, but you could like
• 1:06:49
  contribute, you can keep things organized, like I think stuff
• 1:06:52
  like that work, working together, teamwork is, is the
• 1:06:55
  key. And obviously things are a lot
• 1:06:56
  quicker as well. Like let's say you both get home
• 1:07:01
  and you finish roughly around the same time.
• 1:07:03
  All those chores are going to be done so much quicker if it's
• 1:07:07
  both of you doing it, unless like, I don't know, one of you
• 1:07:11
  is just a better cook or something like that.
• 1:07:13
  There's, there's things like that, but you know, and, and not
• 1:07:16
  by doing so, you both support it.
• 1:07:18
  And then afterwards you can, you've both got time together
• 1:07:22
  because all the things are done. There's no like, oh, this
• 1:07:24
  person's doing all this stuff, but you know, I'm just sat here
• 1:07:26
  doing nothing. Like I can see where the
• 1:07:29
  resentment would start there, you know?
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, that's, that's my strategy, my wife, which is do
• 1:07:34
  whatever we can to not build resentment.
• 1:07:36
  And if you start building resentment towards the other
• 1:07:38
  person, just tell them and figure it out.
• 1:07:39
  It's crazy how people don't think about these things.
• 1:07:42
  I think a lot of these arguments could be solved pretty easily
• 1:07:46
  and you can track them back as well.
• 1:07:49
  Yeah, people don't think about it because nobody trained them
• 1:07:52
  to think about it. Nobody, like, taught them.
• 1:07:54
  This is what you're supposed to think about, right?
• 1:07:56
  Like, if you don't, you don't know what you don't know.
• 1:07:58
  And once again, it's all about information.
• 1:08:02
  Absolutely. All right.
• 1:08:04
  As we draw things to a close for today, I ask you once again, do
• 1:08:08
  you have any upcoming projects or final thoughts that you'd
• 1:08:11
  like to share with our listeners?
• 1:08:13
  Final thoughts, final thoughts. You know, I had one prepped and
• 1:08:16
  it's like. Did some homework, I'm
• 1:08:19
  impressed. Yeah, no, I had one prepped and
• 1:08:21
  I I can't draw on it right now. I'll come up with another one.
• 1:08:25
  You know, I want to go back to the idea that that you want to
• 1:08:29
  take control of your own life and you don't want life to
• 1:08:31
  happen to you because when life happens to you, you feel like a
• 1:08:34
  victim. You feel like you have no agency
• 1:08:36
  over what it is that you or you have no agency or for the
• 1:08:41
  direction of your life. Whereas if you change your
• 1:08:43
  mindset and you're like, hey, life is a game that I need to
• 1:08:46
  play and you take that agency into your own hands.
• 1:08:49
  It it it appears that most people that do this end up being
• 1:08:53
  happier overall with life. So that would be my final
• 1:08:55
  thoughts here. Yeah, it's, it's an interesting
• 1:08:57
  concept. I, I, I completely agree.
• 1:09:00
  Victim mindset gets you nowhere in life.
• 1:09:03
  At the end of the day, you're entitled to feel a bit sorry for
• 1:09:06
  yourself sometimes, but at the end of the day, sitting in the
• 1:09:11
  corner crying about life isn't going to change anything.
• 1:09:15
  As you say, it's like life moves on whether you like it or not.
• 1:09:19
  Like the you know the day's going to keep going.
• 1:09:22
  You know if you perish, life still continues.
• 1:09:26
  So it's in your best interest to play the game and to play it
• 1:09:31
  well, to learn how the game works and to try to push things
• 1:09:35
  in your favour. I think a lot of things like
• 1:09:36
  self sabotage as well. There's a lot of things that we
• 1:09:39
  do. Like right now I'm looking at my
• 1:09:42
  situation and I'm like, OK, a lot of it is out of my hands, to
• 1:09:45
  be fair. But there's a lot of things I
• 1:09:47
  can do, little things I can change that will help the
• 1:09:51
  situation. And it's important to to
• 1:09:53
  recognise that, take responsibility for that.
• 1:09:58
  Well, yeah, I think we've grown up in the last couple of decades
• 1:10:02
  with people making it seem as though being a victim is, is
• 1:10:07
  acceptable. And I, I really disagree with
• 1:10:10
  that. I think that, you know, you're
• 1:10:13
  like, you're allowed to have a rant and, and moan about things,
• 1:10:15
  but eventually you just have to kind of get on with things.
• 1:10:17
  And the amount of people I've found who've had like the most
• 1:10:20
  terrible lives and they are like the most positive people or
• 1:10:23
  they're just like, they really just get through life and really
• 1:10:29
  push through and persevere despite the challenges.
• 1:10:32
  There's always the people that like don't really have any
• 1:10:34
  problems that are, that are moaning the most because they've
• 1:10:38
  like experienced the big stuff. I don't know.
• 1:10:41
  It's all, it's all relative, right?
• 1:10:43
  Like, absolutely. When a child drops their ice
• 1:10:45
  cream cone, that's the worst thing that happened in them.
• 1:10:49
  Yeah. That's why they're sitting there
• 1:10:50
  bawling their eyes out. Whereas like, you know, you can
• 1:10:52
  have someone, he was grown up in a wealthy family and nothing's
• 1:10:57
  bad ever has ever happened with them.
• 1:10:58
  And they experienced sort of like first heartbreak at 27, but
• 1:11:01
  it's the worst experience they've ever had in their life.
• 1:11:03
  And they can reactivate negatively to that.
• 1:11:05
  So it really is all perspective. I love how you immediately
• 1:11:08
  compared it to child as well. And like, that's brilliant for
• 1:11:11
  two reasons. One, because obviously you're
• 1:11:14
  right. Like that's the first time that
• 1:11:16
  a child will experience anything really, really bad.
• 1:11:18
  So it seems devastating even though it's not a big deal.
• 1:11:23
  But then we're coming out from the perspective of our own
• 1:11:27
  experience. So of course we're going to say
• 1:11:29
  like, it's not a big deal to us because we already lived that
• 1:11:32
  one time. And also, you know, there's much
• 1:11:35
  bigger problems in life. But then I think a lot of people
• 1:11:38
  never move past childhood really as far as what they deem to
• 1:11:42
  actually be a, you know, a problem.
• 1:11:43
  So The thing is, if you don't have a lot of bad things happen
• 1:11:46
  to you, then when something does happen, it's it's pretty, it
• 1:11:49
  doesn't feel very good. It's actually comes to me from a
• 1:11:52
  clip in The Simpsons where Bart is having a really bad day and
• 1:11:56
  he's like, oh, this is the worst day of my life.
• 1:11:58
  And Homer comes over and he's like, it's the worst day of your
• 1:12:01
  life so far. I mean, it's just true, though.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah, there's, there's been moments, especially for me over
• 1:12:07
  the last couple of years where I'm like, I can't get any worse.
• 1:12:11
  And then it gets worse and you're like, wow, OK, wow.
• 1:12:16
  I, I guess I had it pretty good. But before when I thought, oh, I
• 1:12:19
  can't get any worse, I was living in luxury.
• 1:12:22
  Jesus, It really does help your, your way of thinking.
• 1:12:26
  But anyway, I digress. It's been an absolute pleasure
• 1:12:30
  having you back on the show, Kwang, Thank you so much.
• 1:12:34
  I, I could, I could talk to you for hours, man, about life.
• 1:12:37
  And I hope, I hope we'll, we'll see you on the show again.
• 1:12:42
  Thank you so much for appearing. Thank you, Christian.
• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:49
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• 1:13:07
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• 1:13:14
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• 1:13:17
  And until next time, I'll see you in the next.