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The Big Issues - Tuesday 14 September 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Well, I know that so many of you have missed
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  Speaker 1: this segment on a Tuesday morning, and I'm very pleased
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  Speaker 1: to say that joining me in the studio this morning.
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  Speaker 1: The Big issues, of course, brought to you by Kolano
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  Speaker 1: Community Association and Aborigin Alone to operate it and community
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  Speaker 1: led organization from the top end to Tenant Creek. And
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  Speaker 1: in the studio, Dave Tolna, good morning, great to be
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  Speaker 1: with you, Canie and Damian Hale welcome. We're so glad
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  Speaker 1: to have your back mate. And I think that it
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  Speaker 1: goes without saying from the whole community and certainly from
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  Speaker 1: Dave and I that we're very sorry that you lost
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  Speaker 1: your mum. And I know that so many you know
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  Speaker 1: she's so certainly so well loved in the community.
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  Speaker 2: She was, And thanks a lot to all those people
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  Speaker 2: out in Darwen that have shed a tear and sent
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  Speaker 2: the best wishes to the family. And Bev has left
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  Speaker 2: the big legacy here. And it's hard when you lose
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  Speaker 2: a parent. It's a very surreal feeling and I still
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  Speaker 2: sort of haven't really sorted it out myself, but it's
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  Speaker 2: good to just get back and do some normal stuff.
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  Speaker 3: He's pretty cocker hoop this morning. I got to tell you,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what cock means. He's been driving, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's been drawing around in his wife's car, so he's
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  Speaker 3: feeling quite loved.
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  Speaker 4: And so often I've been telling David about this morning.
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  Speaker 3: He'll check out the wife's new winds stumped in the
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  Speaker 3: car and I had a little sit in the marks
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  Speaker 3: and I don't get to drive it very often, so
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  Speaker 3: it's nice.
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  Speaker 1: I've missed you too. I think I enjoying my laughs
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  Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. And there's been so much happening that
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  Speaker 1: over the last few weeks, and I've thought I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to have a chat to you two about this, so
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  Speaker 1: we may as well do it.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this situation with firstly the hospital out
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  Speaker 1: in Palmerston. We know that Matt Cunningham from Sky News
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  Speaker 1: has broken a story this morning saying that there was
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  Speaker 1: talks about the possibility of essentially shutting down the emergency
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  Speaker 1: ward out at Palmerston Hospital due to the situation that
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  Speaker 1: we've got with a staffing shortage at the moment, or
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's been described as. We also know that
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  Speaker 1: there's been three code yellows this year at Royal dal
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  Speaker 1: And Hospital. Let's take a listen to what the Health Minister,
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  Speaker 1: Natasha Philes had to say on this topic just a
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  Speaker 1: short time ago.
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  Speaker 5: So, Katie, we have seen incredible pressures on our health
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  Speaker 5: system and part of that has been due to staffing.
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  Speaker 5: That is a very operational question that you have asked,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't have that information to hand. I do
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  Speaker 5: know that we have got significant staffing challenges across the territory,
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  Speaker 5: some in remote clinics, and we have seen staffing a challenge.
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  Speaker 5: The code yellow that we called at rod Zawen Hospital
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  Speaker 5: last week, I was advised was based on a significant
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  Speaker 5: number of people in the emergency department. It wasn't a
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  Speaker 5: staffing issue. So I think it's important for territories to
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  Speaker 5: understand we do have challenges, but we certainly make sure
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  Speaker 5: that we provide the best quality care. We listen to
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  Speaker 5: our clinicians and the operational decisions that they make in
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  Speaker 5: terms of calling the code yellow and in terms of
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  Speaker 5: the discussions that you've just pointed to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I did ask the Health Minister whether we
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  Speaker 1: are at crisis point. She said that we're not, and
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  Speaker 1: that you know that things are managed obviously with the
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  Speaker 1: ebb and flow. I guess you'd call it of a
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  Speaker 1: hospital system being busy, but you know it is still
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  Speaker 1: a concern for people. We took a call from Keith,
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  Speaker 1: one of our listeners, just a little while ago, sing
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  Speaker 1: that he was in the hospital yesterday. He was banked
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  Speaker 1: up out the front in an ambulance waiting to get
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  Speaker 1: in and it was incredibly busy.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is this is certainly one of the symptoms
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  Speaker 3: of a labor government.
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  Speaker 4: Seven minutes, seven minutes. That's all right, letting go, letting go.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get to the daily by election in
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  Speaker 2: a second, so I'm hanging out for that.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait to see him contigue that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a health system that's splurging money and not
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  Speaker 3: meaning it's service requirements. He's like, I say, it's a
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  Speaker 3: symptom of labor governments everywhere, and you see that in
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  Speaker 3: West Australia. You know they've had all these lockdowns and
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  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. They can't because the health system
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  Speaker 3: can't cope. Victorious the saying, you know, everywhere where you
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  Speaker 3: have a labor government, you have these problems with staff
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  Speaker 3: and it's not a lack of money. It's just a
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  Speaker 3: lack of I suppose determination to make sure the job
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  Speaker 3: is done in the territory. I've been a health minister.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, We've got the most amazing staff I
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  Speaker 3: think in the country, real all around as people who
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  Speaker 3: can deal with a myriad of issues, quite incredible health
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  Speaker 3: protect professionals in our system. And I think Keith this
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  Speaker 3: morning even alluded to that in his conversation. You know
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  Speaker 3: that the staff, you can never complain about the staff
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  Speaker 3: and our hospitals and clinics anywhere in the territory that
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  Speaker 3: they are simply magnificent. Where things go wrong I think
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  Speaker 3: is with the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy is constantly interfering in
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  Speaker 3: how their doctors and nurses and other health professionals do
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  Speaker 3: their jobs. And you know it's impacted here. And obviously
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  Speaker 3: a big part of this staff shortage is the Territory
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  Speaker 3: Health taking over that that detention facility out there at
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  Speaker 3: Howard Springs. It has to put pressure on the on
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  Speaker 3: the health system, so you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then what is it, I mean, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of the situation out in Palmerston as well. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's obviously it would obviously be difficult trying to juggle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, having enough staff to.
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  Speaker 3: Hospital is very popular for people at Palmerston, but the
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  Speaker 3: reality is that it always split our resources the Palmerston Hospital.
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  Speaker 3: There was always an argument that, you know, it's a
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  Speaker 3: you can't really have two hospitals in a population of
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  Speaker 3: under one hundred thousand people. Makes it very difficult to
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  Speaker 3: run to you know, emergency departments for instance. But I
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  Speaker 3: think that again, the territory health system's done pretty well
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  Speaker 3: in coping with it. It'd be very hard to shut
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  Speaker 3: down Palmston Hospital now because there's so much.
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  Speaker 1: So much demand.
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  Speaker 3: No no, but there's so much demand out there now
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  Speaker 3: people have got used to it. So somehow or rather,
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  Speaker 3: we have to cope with the situation that we've got
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  Speaker 3: and that requires some tough decision making by the by
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  Speaker 3: the politicians in relation to how you maximize. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's almost two billion dollars a year going into our
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  Speaker 3: health system. It's not a small amount of money, and
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  Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a small amount of money
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  Speaker 3: when you consider how remote a lot of the territory is.
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  Speaker 3: But again in the remote areas, most of that bill
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  Speaker 3: is picked up by the Commonwealth at the Aboriginal Control
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  Speaker 3: medical centers, and in a lot of places like Tenant
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  Speaker 3: Creek for instance, most of the population use the the
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal Medical Center rather than the local hospital.
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  Speaker 2: So Dave doesn't get past the bear and a ligne
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  Speaker 2: too often. Let's be honest, because you were nearly a
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  Speaker 2: decade ago you were the health minister. Believe it or not,
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  Speaker 2: I can assure you Palmerston now has thirty seven thousand people,
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  Speaker 2: with another probably twenty thousand living in the rural area,
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  Speaker 2: and probably by twenty thirty Palmerston will be bigger than
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  Speaker 2: Darwin population wise, So I think the Palmerston Regional Hospital
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  Speaker 2: will stay.
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  Speaker 4: They'll always be Thelways games.
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  Speaker 3: Now we've got nine billion dollars worth of debt. Now
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  Speaker 3: how systems going down the draink? You tell me, how
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  Speaker 3: are you going to fix it?
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  Speaker 2: There's always going to be ebbs and flows in the
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  Speaker 2: way that staffing is. And Dave's right in fact that
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  Speaker 2: the job that's been done a fantastic job for the
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  Speaker 2: nation at Howard Springs, not just for the Northern territory.
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  Speaker 2: So of course there's going to be stretched resources. Saturday
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  Speaker 2: Night stretches the resources. We almost had a situation where
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  Speaker 2: the sandbank the sand island got washed away, which would
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  Speaker 2: have stretched resources as well. So you know that happens
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  Speaker 2: in the Darwin Hospital, it will happen in the Palmerston Hospital.
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  Speaker 2: But as a Palmerston person who's used the hospital before,
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  Speaker 2: I've taken my parents up there and family members up there.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great asset for the Palmerston city and it
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  Speaker 2: will remain. It will remain like that, So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's important to continue having the hospital. And the last
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  Speaker 2: thing I think the minister, the Minister's made it very clear.
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  Speaker 2: And Dave Dave when he was Health minister, we know
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  Speaker 2: his position. He was always you know, he was always
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  Speaker 2: against having the Palmeston Hospital and he's on the record,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not verbal in him. He's on the record as
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  Speaker 2: saying that that money should have been put into the
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  Speaker 2: precinct at t and that's and that's fine. That's his position,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of people in Palmerston and our late
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  Speaker 2: colleague Pete Davies has a room.
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  Speaker 4: Named after him. And remember the shock of the bureaucrat
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  Speaker 4: statele and we turned up. That was a classic.
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  Speaker 2: The bureaucrats are going, why is Hale and told me
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  Speaker 2: here he said, oh, because Pete Davis family invited us.
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  Speaker 4: Think here that we were coming either.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it's a great asset for Palmerston and
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  Speaker 2: it will be utilized. We don't know how long the
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  Speaker 2: pandemic's going to keep going on, so it's unprecedented times.
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  Speaker 1: In regards You'll worry, though, like to point out the obvious,
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  Speaker 1: it does certainly make you worry. And I know that
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  Speaker 1: you know that Dave will probably call this COVID porn
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  Speaker 1: or whatever he says. But what are we going to do,
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  Speaker 1: Like if we end up in a situation where we
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  Speaker 1: do have any kind of community transmission here in the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory and you do need people on those ventilators
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  Speaker 1: and things like that, are we going to have the
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  Speaker 1: capacity to manage it?
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  Speaker 3: I think the thing is Katie, that will obviously be
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  Speaker 3: in the back of the minds of the politicians is
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  Speaker 3: that we just happen to have the National Critical Care
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  Speaker 3: and Trauma Response Center based here in Darwin.
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  Speaker 1: So you reckon that they know they're all right, they've
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  Speaker 1: got a backup plan that.
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  Speaker 3: They can recreate Royal dau And Hospital in twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 3: that they can recreate the number of beds that are required,
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  Speaker 3: and they fly in doctors and nurses and other health
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  Speaker 3: professionals from all over the country at a snap of
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  Speaker 3: a finger. You know, they're an amazing organization. But my
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  Speaker 3: worry is that that organization is being sort of taken
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  Speaker 3: for granted, and we really do we need to look
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  Speaker 3: at our own needs and we can't be using them
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  Speaker 3: every time there's a problem. Now, having said that, that
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  Speaker 3: facility of how It Spring seems to me to be
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  Speaker 3: a national facility more than just a territory facility. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're bringing all the Olympic athletes in through there.
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  Speaker 4: It should have been the one stop shop.
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  Speaker 2: They should have got rid of hotel quarantine in back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, six months ago, because it.
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  Speaker 3: Because you couldn't put all that on the territory healsings.
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  Speaker 1: They'd have to have.
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  Speaker 4: Resource government.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's right, it was originally stop shop.
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  Speaker 4: Because we've shown what a disaster care and trauma response
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  Speaker 4: and we've shown what a disaster hotel quarantining has been
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  Speaker 4: down in the Southern.
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  Speaker 1: States, So we do obviously need that support. Though, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we were to do that, I actually don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. If we were to do that though,
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  Speaker 1: and if we are that one stop shop that that
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  Speaker 1: everybody flying back goes through, well we would need the
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  Speaker 1: federal support in terms of staff. It seems like that's
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  Speaker 1: where we're failing at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: It's sitting out there as well.
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  Speaker 2: So there's other facilities you keep adding on to the
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  Speaker 2: Howard Springs facility too. And I don't know why the
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  Speaker 2: National Cabinet didn't say, you know what, hotel quarantine is
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  Speaker 2: not working. Whether it's security guards that are having to
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  Speaker 2: work at three different venues, whether it's the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the air conditionings all linked, whatever the reason, it's been
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  Speaker 2: a complete failure and we should have just had everyone
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  Speaker 2: come to Howard Springs.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it was the territory government who actually
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  Speaker 3: wanted the Territory health system to look after how It Springs.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Commonwealth was quite happy to keep the
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  Speaker 3: critical care and traumas out of there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 3: We've got pressure on oils the hospital. You know, there
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  Speaker 3: must have been a financial incentive involved. I would have
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  Speaker 3: thought for the Territory government to take that over. Well,
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  Speaker 3: and you wonder where that's gone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to take a very short
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  Speaker 1: break when we come back. We're keen to take a
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  Speaker 1: look over the daily by election on the weekend. You
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  Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine. It
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  Speaker 1: is the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolanokami
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  Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the territory Mixed
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  Speaker 1: Big Issues proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association
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  Speaker 1: in the studio with us Dave Tolner and Damian Hale. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the Daily by election obviously was held over the weekend
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  Speaker 1: and the COLP lost the seat. Labour's Duran Young picking
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  Speaker 1: it up. What did you make of that by election
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  Speaker 1: on the weekend?
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  Speaker 3: You two, I wasn't actually following it. Maybe Hailey might
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  Speaker 3: know something about it.
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  Speaker 4: Surprised.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised, totally against the grain of by elections
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  Speaker 2: in the past history, making one where a government that's
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  Speaker 2: in their second or third.
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  Speaker 1: Term, second second.
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  Speaker 2: Term and to pick up a seat in a liberal
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  Speaker 2: held seat.
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  Speaker 4: But there was a few worrying signs.
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  Speaker 2: I think some of the commentary of the c LP
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  Speaker 2: was you know that they didn't have time to prepare. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it was their member Sloane that was resigning, so I presume.
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  Speaker 4: He would have told them.
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  Speaker 3: It did seem to me.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Dave didn't follow it, but he's.
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  Speaker 3: About a cabin meeting out there two weeks before the
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  Speaker 3: announcement and they out there on masks. Well tell first
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  Speaker 3: beat it. But it does seem like that, said labor
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  Speaker 3: knew what was going on before the SELP dida. But
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  Speaker 3: you sort of wonder whether that was the case. It
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  Speaker 3: was just a while coincidence that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I know that Sloaney had said upon announcing
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  Speaker 1: that he was standing down that it was due to
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  Speaker 1: a health issue, so so you know that was in
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  Speaker 1: any way. Yeah, yeah, he's and he's a good blow, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I think, and from our perspective, like in the end,
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  Speaker 2: Dean Young ran and he's young, and he's a fifth
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  Speaker 2: floor advisor ran in the seat. No one actually lived
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  Speaker 2: in the seat of the full candidate.
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  Speaker 1: That's astonishing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like yeah, it's not surprising. And but you'd
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  Speaker 2: really think if the CLP had it been given a
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  Speaker 2: heads up for me and slowan earlier and probably said
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  Speaker 2: look because of health, you know, six or eight weeks
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  Speaker 2: out from you know, start to organize a candidate, blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah, get yourselves organized, because I Am going to
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  Speaker 2: resign from parliament. But as Dave said, it appears that
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  Speaker 2: they were caught a little bit blindsided themselves.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think, you know, there has.
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  Speaker 2: Been a lot of conjecture and reflection on the leader,
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  Speaker 2: and I suppose the buck does stop with the leader
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  Speaker 2: of the Opposition to a certain extent, But I think
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  Speaker 2: talking about I think.
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  Speaker 4: Gunn is the tef one Mann.
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  Speaker 2: It just keeps walking forward, and I hear all this
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  Speaker 2: commentary about how terrible he is and oh he's horrible,
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  Speaker 2: and of the world is just going to.
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  Speaker 3: He will be the longer serving chief and there's no
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  Speaker 3: doubt about it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that he and this once again the
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  Speaker 4: by election has.
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  Speaker 2: Reiterated the point that you know, people are supporting Michael Gunner.
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  Speaker 2: But the other concern I think for the CLP, I
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  Speaker 2: think like the ADMIN obviously, the ADMIN and the COLP
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  Speaker 2: needs to take some of the blame for this. And
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  Speaker 2: you've got your leader, your parliamentary side of the party,
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  Speaker 2: and then you've got your ADMIN that runs the party
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  Speaker 2: in between your agms. Obviously that part of the party
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  Speaker 2: needs to lift their game because this seat they should
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  Speaker 2: never have lost.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that the fact that.
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  Speaker 2: There was a low voter turnout in the rural area
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  Speaker 2: has to be a concern to the COLP. There's a
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  Speaker 2: big turnout in the Aboriginal communities that voted labor so
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  Speaker 2: I think that the CLP has to be concerned in
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  Speaker 2: regards to the high community vote against him.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty interested in what you've got to say, because
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  Speaker 3: I really have been scratching my head this result. It's
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  Speaker 3: stunn me is sort of said, how is it possible
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  Speaker 3: that the COLP could lose that seat? But they did and.
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  Speaker 2: So convincingly to the fifty five forty five basically split.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, what do you think it sees, Dave
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  Speaker 1: about the CLP?
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  Speaker 3: Mate. I haven't had much to do with the COLP
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  Speaker 3: in recent years, and you know, it is a bit concerning.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that I know that Leah wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: been interested at all in losing that seat and would have,
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  Speaker 3: you know, probably put in one hundred and twenty percent
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  Speaker 3: to keep it. The question is, you know why what
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  Speaker 3: went wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Where was I'll tell you what I think happened is
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that, you know, choosing somebody who is
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  Speaker 1: based in Tenant Creek is the wrong move. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to run a candidate, no matter how good they are,
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  Speaker 1: you should actually have someone see that.
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  Speaker 3: You should try and find somebody from the electorate. And
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  Speaker 3: it's sort of in some regards confusing that the CLP didn't.
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  Speaker 3: But having said that, I do know Chris Sivities well,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and he's a champion fellow, he's an I've got no
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: doubt he'd fit in well in that seat, ready to
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: move there and all that sort of stuff. And like
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Harley said, none of the candidates came out of the
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: election out of the Electric, So you sit there.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I thought Rebecca Jennings maybe lived in the Electric now,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that was what she told me she'd said, though she
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: moved back out.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: So it's not really so you can't really say that
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: that was a factor in the CLP losing. But given
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: that none of the candidates came from the.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Area, I reckon what it seemed like is that both
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the Labor Party and the CLP ran very different races.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Labor seemed to focus on the remote area of whatever
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and seemed to make a real focus on making sure
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: that they were out there and trying to get the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: vote out there, whereas the CLP very much run the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: race of trying to win it in the rural area.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And I guess that you know, if you've got an
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: overwhelming response from the rural area in terms of that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: voter turnout and in terms of support from the rural area.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Gary Megan's had to do out there too, because I
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: mean halfway through the campaign, I think his family or
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: resigned from the party and whatnot.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: So I did not know that. I'll have to ask Gary.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he was a very popular member.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: And it's been interesting in the last couple of days
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: of I wouldn't think Labor are not out cockerhoot, as
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Dave would say, It's been a very subdued celebration. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: think there's been very little reflection on the leader of
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the opposition over it. And I just really think that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the CEORP were caught with their pants down. Basically, they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: should have been on the front foot. They should have
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: thought to themselves earlier. I'm not sure when the former
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: member had informed them, but they seemed disorganized and Labor
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: seemed to swing into action and start to get the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: campaign happening and a young Indigenous guy gets elected to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the parliament.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Which is a good thing anyway.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And I just think that you can't blame I just
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: don't believe that all the blame should be pointed at
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the parliamentary leader when you're meant to have people in
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the background, the admin of the party, and I know
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the ADMIN and the Labor Party worked really hard for
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: our candidates and so you know, often parties, if you
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: lose your crap candidate, if you win, it's because the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: admin committee got you there, so that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: The to say they had a crap candidate in this.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Case, no, exactly, so they can't blame him.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: So I just think that there's an issue around the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: support and the SEALP probably have three years to really
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: rectify their off field if they're going to attract quality
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: candidates for the twenty twenty four lections.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I think they struggle in a seat like that. You know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: if there's Dion what's his name, d Duran. If Duran
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: sort of gets in and establishes himself a little bit,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it'll be very hard to win that seat.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Ye Hey, one thing I want to ask you both
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: very quickly about we just caught up a little while
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: ago with Kay Densley from the CPSU and this situation
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: with the public service wage freeze, Well it's at a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: stand still, no doubt about it. She says that the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Chief Minister isn't meeting with them on this pay freeze.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Obviously they are concerned about the fact that that there's
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: only that one thousand dollars annual bonus on the table.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: She said ninety eight percent of those surveyed members had
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: voted to reject the government's terms on this pay freeze.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, do they need.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: To just cash Cora? Amazing? They all voted that they
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: should get a pay rise. Who would have thought? Who
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: would have thought? This can be a bliek Densley. You know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: she's got to be out there telling everyone, look at
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: my members, they all voted to get a pay rise
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: and they're not getting one.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Need to just cop it here? Or on the other
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: side of things, do we need to sort of go on?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: But her labor mates have cranked up nine billion dollars
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: worth of debt. Maybe she could have a look at
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: that and explain exactly.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Have to you know, have to copp a pay freeze
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: because Gunner and is more.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: It comes from, well, I know where it comes from.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Tax pays know where.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: It comes from.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But do you reckon we spend nine billion dollars more
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: than we've got.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Do you recommend and everybody else should have to cap
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that because you know, because.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: He's spend nine billion and you've got nine.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: The public servant you've.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Got, you've got to give her credit for having a thick.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: As a union.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: As a union secretary, Densley will go into bat for
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the public sector every time, and that's.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: What she's paid to do every time.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And she's done a very good job over a long
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: period of time. And public servants, public servants jobs, public
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: servants jobs are always safer under labor than under those.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Every public servant in the Northern Territory should remember that
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the stuff finished on the credit can we finished?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Every public serve in the Northern Territory understands this so well.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I know they might be a little bit disappointed at
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the moment that the government's playing a little bit of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: hardball with them. They're always better off under labor than
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the other one. They should remember that when they go.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: To the I remember convat Scar was jumping up when
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: they just lost government and we got into government and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: we were so concerned about the potential of five point
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: five billion dollars worth of debt, and con got up
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and he said, look, if we didn't go into debt,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: we wouldn't have been able to pay teachers and nurses.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And I just thought, well, how amazing. This guy's just
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: walked into the Parliament and absolutely admitted to everyone that
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: they're borrowing to pay operational expenses. And you sit there
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and you go, my god, that gun has taken it
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to new levels. You know, it's just ridiculous. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: every budget is a couple of billion dollars over what
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: they get in income.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Were he gave the West Australia, he gave the Western
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Australian government and elbow when he walked in here today
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: they just had a six point five billion dollar surplus.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: He never talked that up.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: You know where it came from, cross prices, through the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: romine source revenue. They actually it came from.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: You know, we prefence Australia.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Money comes from CANB.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up issues.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Half hour again.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: On very happy to.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Have the Member for Daily in the Parliament.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you both so very much for joining us the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Big Issues.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Was always a pleasure.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It will catch you again next week. That was the
• 23:56
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• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I see action.