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The Night Kay Didn't Come Home | Kevin Docherty · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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Speaker 1: Apote Production.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shann. I'm your host
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Speaker 2: Adam Shann. On Friday July twenty seven, nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 2: fifteen year old Kay Doherty and sixteen year old Tony
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Speaker 2: Kavanagh went missing from Warilla, a coastal suburb of Woollongong,
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Speaker 2: New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Two teenage girls from the Illawarra region have been reported
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Speaker 3: missing after failing to return home on Friday evening.
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Speaker 2: Kay told her parents she was going to Tony's house
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Speaker 2: to help babysit, and Tony told her family they were
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Speaker 2: going to the movies with Kay's aunt and uncle.
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Speaker 4: It's believed the girls were in.
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Speaker 2: Fact on their way to the Wollongong CBD to attend
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Speaker 2: a disco, but it seems they never made it.
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Speaker 1: They were last seen near a bus stop in Warrilla.
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Speaker 2: The following week, Tony and Kay's families received separate letters
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Speaker 2: reportedly from the pair hosted from the k King's Cross
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Speaker 2: Darlinghurst area in Sydney.
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Speaker 3: The families of both missing girls so they have received
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Speaker 3: letters apparently written by their daughters, claiming they have gone
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Speaker 3: to Sydney and are.
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Speaker 2: Safe, despite the family's belief they had not written these letters,
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Speaker 2: police seem to accept them as evidence the girls were
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Speaker 2: not in danger. There have been no confirmed sightings of
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Speaker 2: the girls since they were seen at the bus stop
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Speaker 2: at dusk on the evening of Friday twenty seventh, although
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Speaker 2: there was an unconfirmed sighting in Queensland in nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 3: An unconfirmed sighting in Queensland last year briefly raised hopes,
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Speaker 3: but neither girl has been located.
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Speaker 4: For eighteen months.
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Speaker 2: Police maintained Kay and Tony had simply run away, which
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Speaker 2: forced the families to conduct their own inquiries. This is
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Speaker 2: a story I hear over and over in these cold
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Speaker 2: cases where police dismissed these disappearances as just flighty girls
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Speaker 2: having fun who would come home eventually. The pain and
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Speaker 2: confused that has caused to so many families is just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: That lazy, misogynistic attitude has allowed killers to get away
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Speaker 2: with murder time and time again.
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Speaker 3: In case after case, young women reported missing were labeled
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Speaker 3: runaways with little to no investigation conducted.
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Speaker 4: In the crucial first weeks.
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Speaker 2: Case, twin brother Kevin has been living this nightmare since
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, and.
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Speaker 4: He joins me now good o keV.
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Speaker 1: Good adam.
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Speaker 2: Nice to talk here, absolute pleasure mate. It's been an
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Speaker 2: unending nightmare for you. What's it been like for your
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Speaker 2: family living at all these years?
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Speaker 1: I guess exactly what you said, mate, it's virtually been
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Speaker 1: a nightmare. And I guess people don't walking our shoes
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Speaker 1: every day, probably don't understand what we go through. It
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Speaker 1: were you just recently connected with the Grimmer family. So
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Speaker 1: many similarities with their case in our case, I guess
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Speaker 1: the worst thing is not knowing. You're always hanging onto
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Speaker 1: a bit of hope that something will change or something
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Speaker 1: will happen. And in saying that, my mother and father
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Speaker 1: both went to an early grade because of this, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't nice to watch this on my mother and father.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Grimmer Faan that's Eryl Grimmer's family. She
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Speaker 2: disappeared in nineteen seventy from Faerry Meadow Beach near Wollongong,
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Speaker 2: and her brother Ricky has worked tirelessly to keep their
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Speaker 2: case in the media.
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Speaker 4: You've done the same thing.
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Speaker 2: You've always been available, You've always been out there trying
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Speaker 2: to seek leads. But in both cases mistakes by the
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Speaker 2: police really counted in the early days and we can
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Speaker 2: say that this was the way things were done. I
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Speaker 2: don't think that's sufficient. I'm going to use the only
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Speaker 2: word that springs to mind right now. There was a
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Speaker 2: fuck up here, a lack of care, a lack of diligence,
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Speaker 2: which left your family can in the cost.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Mon I couldn't have said that better
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Speaker 1: was right exactly. And for many years we kept making
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Speaker 1: excuses for the police, you know, like they've got no time,
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Speaker 1: they've got no resources, they don't have the money to
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Speaker 1: put in a there's probably more important things happening at
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Speaker 1: the general time. And it just left at the stage, Adam,
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Speaker 1: where I'd had enough. And that's only probably when the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years. So we've been patient for over
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Speaker 1: forty forty four years, and it just got to the
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Speaker 1: stage where I no more excuses for the police. The
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Speaker 1: more I hear, the more I see, the more people
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Speaker 1: have talked to me, the more we realize how matilent
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Speaker 1: the police really were back in then days.
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Speaker 2: Take me through the early hours of the disappearance. Kay
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Speaker 2: was not an outgoing girl. She was a home girl.
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Speaker 2: She was a student. She was afraid of the dark.
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Speaker 2: So tell me about that night.
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Speaker 1: So yes, mate, all of the above. That's so true.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things have been written over the
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Speaker 1: years that aren't really true or correct, but Mate, that's
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Speaker 1: so true. Kay twin system mine and you were inside out.
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Speaker 1: We've worked, We done everything together. We had our own
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Speaker 1: friends on the street, and even at nighttime. Her mum
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Speaker 1: always wanted us in the dark. We're always only just
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Speaker 1: playing out on the street, whether it be cricket or
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Speaker 1: hopscotch or whatever it was. Soon as it turned dark,
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Speaker 1: Mom didn't have to call us in. Kay was always
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Speaker 1: first to go inside. I still remember once Mom had
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Speaker 1: to go to the shop. She never left us alone.
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Speaker 1: One time she just had to sneak out. And this
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Speaker 1: was probably just on dark. And I remember Kay wasn't comfortable,
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Speaker 1: or fifteen years of age, and I remember she wasn't comfortable.
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Speaker 1: But in saying that, on the day she actually disappeared
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Speaker 1: on the twenty seventh of July nineteen seventy nine, apparently
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Speaker 1: some girls at school were talking. I've spoke to some
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Speaker 1: of these girls, but I really need to get a
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Speaker 1: room together, and we can get all these girls together,
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Speaker 1: and we can nud it all out and come up
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Speaker 1: with exactly what happened. So what I what I see
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Speaker 1: has happened is is Tayy was coming home from school
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Speaker 1: a few friends if they wanted to go out. A
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Speaker 1: couple of her close friends said no, they weren't allowed
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Speaker 1: out currently. One of them had done it before with
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Speaker 1: Tony and they'd been out and they were grounded. So
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Speaker 1: in saying that, as I walking through, I think it
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Speaker 1: was a paddic near our high school, Tony was working
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Speaker 1: with Kay and I did ask Kay does she want
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Speaker 1: to help her babysit tonight? So there was no other
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Speaker 1: stories about going out. It was about coming to help
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Speaker 1: her babysit. Kaye had come home from school she asked
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Speaker 1: Mum could she go to Tony's and babysit? And Mum said,
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Speaker 1: who's Tony? So at the time, Cay and Tony weren't
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Speaker 1: that close, but I think Tony was in a group
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Speaker 1: of friends. Probably Kay wanted to be a little bit
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Speaker 1: closer to they was more of a follower than a leader.
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Speaker 1: Tony was probably a leader. I don't like saying this,
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Speaker 1: but Tony was in my class at school and she
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Speaker 1: was very disruptive in the class. And I still remember
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Speaker 1: to this day the vision of teachers sort of having
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Speaker 1: to throw her out of the classroom, and that happened
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Speaker 1: on more than one occasion. So when Mom said to me,
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Speaker 1: Tony asked a cake of babysit and Mom said, no,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Tony came in the room and just
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Speaker 1: started crying. And I thought it was a bit odd
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Speaker 1: that she'd asked to go to Tony's place. And I said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know Tony virtually, I know of a family. I
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Speaker 1: know all the girls to hang around. The girls are
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Speaker 1: pretty good. So Mom said what do you think and
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Speaker 1: I said, well, I've got to get a band practice. Shortly,
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Speaker 1: I said, if you want, I can I take her
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Speaker 1: up there on my pushbike which was only probably seven
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Speaker 1: minute pushboake ride. I said, I'll take her up on
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Speaker 1: my pushbike and Mom said can you pick her up
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Speaker 1: at nine o'clock? Because Mom and dad didn't drive at
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Speaker 1: the time, they said, can you pick her up at
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Speaker 1: nine pm? I said, yeah, of course I'll do that.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I threw her on the bike. I took
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Speaker 1: her up to Tony's. I just dropped her off out
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Speaker 1: the front, virtually seen her walk in the door. From
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Speaker 1: that point, I went to band practice i'd come home
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Speaker 1: and Mom just said, can you go and get your sister.
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Speaker 1: So back on the pushbike, rode up to Tony's place
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Speaker 1: and she's probably only the first time I'd ever been
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Speaker 1: to Tony's place. When I arrived the step mom had
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Speaker 1: answered the door, and I still recall this to this day.
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Speaker 1: She didn't open the door totally up. She wasn't very inviting,
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Speaker 1: and she kept her short and sweet. I didn't think
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Speaker 1: much of it at the time, and I still really don't,
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Speaker 1: but insaying that she'd said, the girls have gone to
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Speaker 1: the movies, and she said with my uncle and Auntie
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Speaker 1: straight away, I'm thinking, my uncle and Auntie, that's not possible.
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Speaker 1: And that was about all the conversation was at that time.
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Speaker 1: So she'd actually shut the door. From there, I've got
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Speaker 1: back on my bike and I've head her down the street,
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Speaker 1: and I thought, I can't go home. I can't go
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Speaker 1: home until mum. CA's not there. For one, Mum would
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Speaker 1: have been devastated, and too, I was feeling a bit
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Speaker 1: of guilt because I sort of said, to Mom's that's
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Speaker 1: do this scenario. So I wrote down the saniturning left
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Speaker 1: heading home. I've turned right and there was netbore courts
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Speaker 1: there where kids would always frequent, so I just thought
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Speaker 1: I'd rite up there and just have a look around.
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Speaker 1: And I sat there and there's no one there. I
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Speaker 1: said there probably not real sure, Adam, But it seemed
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Speaker 1: like it was forever. But when I thought it was time,
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Speaker 1: I thought, I'm just gonna have to go home till mum.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, then the journey felt like it took forever
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Speaker 1: to get home, and I just wrote home, and from
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Speaker 1: there I just told Mom exactly what I've just told
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Speaker 1: you mine, man. Mum was absolutely devastated. She was the
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Speaker 1: most loving, caring mother anyone could ever wish for. Mate.
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Speaker 1: She still brings a tear in my eye when I
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Speaker 1: think of the life that she had. There was thrust
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Speaker 1: upon her. She didn't deserve it, Mate, No one deserves that,
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. And from that point on,
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Speaker 1: Mom started ringing all Cay's friends. We only just got
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Speaker 1: the phone on around that came too. He started ringing
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Speaker 1: Kay's friends and their mothers and parents, and nobody knew
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Speaker 1: anything at the time. So once she'd made off a
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Speaker 1: phone call, she went to the police station. By that
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Speaker 1: time cle was been close to midnight, and that's what
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Speaker 1: she reported and listened to two officers. Mom said there
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Speaker 1: was a good cop, bad cop. One of them was good,
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Speaker 1: the other one just said straight away, they're runaways. Come
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Speaker 1: back in a couple of days. And my mum come
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Speaker 1: home and said to me, she said, I can't believe
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Speaker 1: this police officer said my daughters will run away. My
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Speaker 1: mom's only five foot Scotti Shahiti very quiet, kept to herself,
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Speaker 1: and she said, I felt like punching him in the base.
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Speaker 1: And for why Mom to say that, that's a really,
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Speaker 1: really big call. He's not a violent person. And David
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Speaker 1: was actually with Mom at the time. Why I'd stayed
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Speaker 1: home just in case she was coming home. So and
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Speaker 1: from there myte had just noboard.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: What's really important to me is the fact that, as
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Speaker 2: you say, Kay was not an outgoing girl.
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Speaker 4: She was a home girl.
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Speaker 2: And she said to you that you should pick her
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Speaker 2: up at nine pm. And she's not one to mislead you.
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Speaker 2: So it seems like Tony may have persuaded her to
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Speaker 2: go somewhere, and it seems to be this dance that
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Speaker 2: was in the Woollongong CBD. What I find amazing is
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Speaker 2: the police never spoke to the patrons at that disco
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Speaker 2: to find out whether the girls actually made it. You're
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Speaker 2: talking about doing it now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about the girls that went to school
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Speaker 1: with Tony. They were in her close knit group, and
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Speaker 1: the couple of them had been I'm not sure I
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Speaker 1: was in town or to this disco before, but I
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Speaker 1: think a couple of them were asked to go on
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Speaker 1: that same night. So they're the ones I would like
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Speaker 1: to actually try and confirm a few things with. And
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Speaker 1: they're still around, they're still close. I still follow this
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Speaker 1: mode every day.
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Speaker 2: Because that's that's the most critical piece of evidence, because
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Speaker 2: what we're relying on here is just a siding at
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Speaker 2: the bus stop when we don't even really know whether
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Speaker 2: they got to the disco or not. And as I say,
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Speaker 2: the police didn't make the inquiries.
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Speaker 4: Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: Very correct? Mate?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just completely slack, even in the tone of
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Speaker 2: the times, it's completely slack. So you must have been
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Speaker 2: going out of your minds Oh.
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Speaker 1: Mate, I just watched my mom and dad naturally, I
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Speaker 1: think I've been a sibling and a twin. It affected
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Speaker 1: me a lot, but I felt part of me was missing.
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Speaker 1: But I think a parent would feel it more losing
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Speaker 1: a child or not knowing where their child is. So
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Speaker 1: Mum was mum. She didn't know where to go, where
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Speaker 1: to look. I know, for days she was calling all
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Speaker 1: these cult groups, charity groups like Salvation Army. She was
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Speaker 1: on the phone for days contacting these people to find
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Speaker 1: out if K had been there. And because they didn't drive,
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Speaker 1: we had friends offer to take Mom and Dad to
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Speaker 1: King's Cross, Balihurst, where the letter was. From day pounded
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Speaker 1: the streets made for weeks, putting signs up and putting
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Speaker 1: pictures up and talking to people going into sharp So mate,
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Speaker 1: just that alone, you could only imagine how that would
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Speaker 1: take its toll on parents.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about this letter.
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Speaker 2: It's written on the thirtieth of July nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 2: and it says, dear Mum and Dad, I've gone away
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Speaker 2: with a few friends to Sydney.
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Speaker 4: I will be back in a week.
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Speaker 2: I am all right, spelled write incorrectly, so don't worry
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Speaker 2: about me. Love K lots of ex's ps. I love
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Speaker 2: you both very much. What did you think when that
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Speaker 2: letter turned up?
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Speaker 1: And that letter turned out straight away? I think Mum
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Speaker 1: and Dad am I So if we all had not
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Speaker 1: only shot despair. I think we're a little bit excited
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Speaker 1: to hear from her, which we thought we were doing.
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Speaker 1: It was like, oh, okay, and then it was a
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Speaker 1: matter of that's when mom and dad hit the road
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Speaker 1: and ended up in Sydney. But Mum was the first
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Speaker 1: one to pick it. My sister and my mom they
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Speaker 1: both write and Kay was left handed, so they both
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Speaker 1: write backhand. So one the writing wasn't in backhand. Two
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Speaker 1: that spelling mistake, dog, you said write My sister was
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Speaker 1: a lot better than me at school and even I
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Speaker 1: would have spelled that right. And Mom picked that up
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Speaker 1: straight away. She said, look, that's a spelling mistake. Okay,
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Speaker 1: will not have made. And we thought someone's wrapped this letter,
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Speaker 1: or she living writing out under dukeress, or someone's forcing
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Speaker 1: them to. So there was mixed feelings when we got
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Speaker 1: a letter, but it wasn't good.
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Speaker 2: So let's be clear, you guys didn't think it was
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Speaker 2: her handwriting, And did the police ask for any examples
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Speaker 2: of Ka's handwriting to compare with that letter.
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Speaker 1: We've got a long way back, Adam. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: I do have a schoolbook steal on my sister with
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Speaker 1: her handwriting, and you know what, to be honest, Adam,
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Speaker 1: whether they ask back in them days they dealt with
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Speaker 1: mum and dad. So I was just an extra back then.
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Speaker 1: But in saying that, I can't ever remember that they did.
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Speaker 1: I do know they come and got the letter and
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Speaker 1: they took it for forensic testing, and I think it
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Speaker 1: was sent to the USA for DNA testing. That was
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Speaker 1: one letter. The second letter. We the police come back,
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Speaker 1: knocked on our door and they handed one letter back
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Speaker 1: and said they'd lost the other one.
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Speaker 4: And what was the other letter?
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Speaker 1: The other letter? I have to pull it out, mate,
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Speaker 1: but what I would say is it said something similar
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Speaker 1: to my mom and dad, We're okay, the job has
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Speaker 1: fallen through. We will be back soon. That's not the
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Speaker 1: exact words, but I can find it for you if
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Speaker 1: I need to see.
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Speaker 2: I have seen reports where the police say this has
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Speaker 2: been forensically tested and it is her handwriting. So it's
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Speaker 2: been a confusion about.
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Speaker 1: This, yeah, big time. And that's where it all just
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Speaker 1: went wrong, mate. I don't know what their intentions were,
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Speaker 1: what they're thinking was. Is it just something they wanted
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Speaker 1: to get out of the way and dismiss it. I've
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Speaker 1: got no idea, mate, but yeah, they that was so
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Speaker 1: far wrong.
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Speaker 2: So the family's believing that she can come back any
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Speaker 2: time for some period of months, I guess was that
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Speaker 2: How was that you expected her to return?
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Speaker 1: Well, even though we didn't believe the letter, we still
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Speaker 1: had some hope that we would expect her to return
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Speaker 1: one day of course. Yeah, that was just natural instinct,
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Speaker 1: I think, mate, What.
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Speaker 2: Was the other family involved doing at this time? Were
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Speaker 2: you working together?
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Speaker 1: See that was a problem, mate. Not at any stage
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Speaker 1: did we ever work together. And like you said earlier, Mate,
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Speaker 1: I've had my head and the face on the media
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Speaker 1: for the last forty five years with this, Not that
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Speaker 1: I choose to, but as you said, when people come
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Speaker 1: calling in the media there, they're trying to help us.
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Speaker 1: They want to keep this case open, like yourself, you know,
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Speaker 1: they want they'd love us to get answers as families.
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Speaker 1: So there're actually no contact with that family made until
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Speaker 1: I was in a magazine and they didn't like what
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Speaker 1: I said and they just sent a little message on
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Speaker 1: I think it was on a Facebook messenger or something
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Speaker 1: back then, and that was probably the last contact we
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Speaker 1: ever had with them.
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Speaker 2: I just everyone processes the grief differently, and I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to hold any of thebody to account for what
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Speaker 2: they did or didn't do, but clearly it would have
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Speaker 2: been better had the two families had a united front.
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Speaker 1: They say we're stronger in numbers, aren't they? So I
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Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent. My name Mum reached out several times.
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Speaker 1: Dad actually mister frequent the local hotel, and Tony's dad
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Speaker 1: was also a local who would frequent the hotel, and
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Speaker 1: I know both of them as rudy staunch man from
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Speaker 1: old school. It's something they never spoke about much. They
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Speaker 1: would cross paths occasionally, but it's something they couldn't bring
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Speaker 1: themselves to talk about because as a father, I guess
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Speaker 1: they felt a lot of guilt too that they couldn't
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Speaker 1: protect their daughters. I just remember someone saying in the
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Speaker 1: pub one either dad, who was in tears telling the story,
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was the first time I've ever
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Speaker 1: heard my dad cry, virtually first time I've ever heard
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Speaker 1: him talk about it.
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Speaker 2: So it became something that your dad couldn't deal with,
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Speaker 2: and so he dealt with it by burying it effectively. Yes, mate,
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Speaker 2: And how did that affect your relationship with him?
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Speaker 1: When I look back at it now, Adam, I think
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Speaker 1: it brought my mum and myself closer. We had a
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Speaker 1: bond made it was unbreakable wand that I've been her
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Speaker 1: care for the last twenty years of her life. So
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Speaker 1: I put everything on hold, a marriage, a relationship, a house, everything,
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Speaker 1: my employment. With Dad, it was pretty hard to talk
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Speaker 1: about with him. He wasn't brought up off and with him.
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Speaker 1: He'd come home after a few years and it was
19:24
Speaker 1: like I just didn't understand because I was young. I
19:28
Speaker 1: didn't understand why he would go out drinking like that.
19:31
Speaker 1: So it's hard to say, mate, But we weren't separated,
19:38
Speaker 1: we weren't as close to order as I would have
19:40
Speaker 1: liked to have been. But I know he was holding
19:42
Speaker 1: a lot of guilt in there, mate, and he didn't
19:44
Speaker 1: want to open up. And I don't think he wanted
19:46
Speaker 1: to bother me with it either. That's why my currents
19:48
Speaker 1: were right.
19:50
Speaker 4: Why was he feeling guilty.
19:53
Speaker 1: I think it's been the father of the house. I
19:55
Speaker 1: think been the head of the house. I think in
19:57
Speaker 1: m Day's fathers had a I think they had a responsibility.
20:01
Speaker 1: Some took it, some didn't. I just think and this
20:05
Speaker 1: easing to let k go was made without him because
20:07
Speaker 1: he wasn't here at the time. He would have been
20:09
Speaker 1: up at the local. So I think there's probably probably
20:13
Speaker 1: some things I can't even answer there, mate, that I
20:15
Speaker 1: think there's a there's a few reasons.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was certainly a very destructive force in
20:21
Speaker 2: your family. Guilt, shame, second guessing, a bit of blame,
20:26
Speaker 2: going back and forth.
20:27
Speaker 1: Maybe mate, I couldn't have said it any better. Yeah,
20:31
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was, mate, So many mixed emotions,
20:34
Speaker 1: mixed feelings at so many different times there was It
20:37
Speaker 1: was a roller custom, mate, and it still is, to
20:39
Speaker 1: be honest with you.
20:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, And occasionally news comes out there's a potential sighting
20:47
Speaker 2: in Queensland, there's one in Cans I believe.
20:52
Speaker 4: How was that when those sightings did come up?
20:55
Speaker 1: Hey it She can only have hope, can't You can
20:58
Speaker 1: only think, oh, right, someone's seen that. She's still around,
21:00
Speaker 1: She's still alive. At that time, you probably put everything
21:05
Speaker 1: else aside. Why did she go? She should never have went,
21:10
Speaker 1: She shouldn't have been out at night. You can if
21:13
Speaker 1: she come home, she'd probably get ponies for longer, you know,
21:16
Speaker 1: from doing the wrong thing. So mate, Sorry, I'm just
21:21
Speaker 1: going to take a breath of mine, mixed, so many
21:25
Speaker 1: mixed emotions, mate.
21:27
Speaker 2: I'm sure, and it doesn't get any easier. This is
21:30
Speaker 2: now forty six years later. It still cuts deep, I'm sure,
21:34
Speaker 2: And I think the mistakes, the lack of follow through,
21:37
Speaker 2: just the doubt that you must have suffered, and even
21:41
Speaker 2: to get some sort of determination, like in twenty thirteen,
21:44
Speaker 2: the coroner found that both girls were probably dead.
21:49
Speaker 4: How did that sit with you?
21:51
Speaker 2: Because I know the families are missing, person's always hold
21:53
Speaker 2: that little sliver of belief and hope that their loved
21:56
Speaker 2: ones might walk up the driveway. And to hear the
21:59
Speaker 2: coroners say that he believed that they were both deceased,
22:03
Speaker 2: that must have been a terrible moment.
22:04
Speaker 1: Too made to be honest with that. The first we
22:08
Speaker 1: had heard to detective or police was in two thousand
22:12
Speaker 1: and nine, and at that point of time it went
22:17
Speaker 1: to a coronial inquest in two thousand and nine. So
22:20
Speaker 1: we've been to two in quests. First one was two
22:23
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Sevende was twenty thirteen. In two thousand
22:26
Speaker 1: and nine, I could see when they were trying to
22:28
Speaker 1: close the case, and I didn't know much about anything
22:32
Speaker 1: at the time, in the way how they operate. First
22:36
Speaker 1: time I've ever been in the courtroom, to be honest
22:37
Speaker 1: with you, and my mum. So after they presented a
22:42
Speaker 1: lot of evidents from the detectives and that, they said,
22:44
Speaker 1: did I have anything to say? So I spoke for mom.
22:47
Speaker 1: Mum wasn't she wasn't capablars speaking of that time. She
22:50
Speaker 1: was literally still broken hearted. So I just sat up
22:54
Speaker 1: and I just kept a symbol and I said, look,
22:55
Speaker 1: we appreciate what the police have done recently. And I said,
22:59
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, there's no evidence, there's nobodies.
23:03
Speaker 1: How can you close this case us? So that's what
23:07
Speaker 1: happened in two thousand and nine. Must that a really
23:09
Speaker 1: good judge because they left it open at the time.
23:12
Speaker 1: Then we come back to twenty thirty, repeating the whole
23:16
Speaker 1: scenario again, back into court. This time the police had
23:20
Speaker 1: done probably more investigations, but for him to say the
23:26
Speaker 1: girls they're dead, they're not alive anymore. Again, I had
23:32
Speaker 1: just said, how can you prove this is this? Because
23:35
Speaker 1: you just want to close the case, And they said, listen,
23:37
Speaker 1: we won't close the case. It'll be an open finding.
23:40
Speaker 1: And I guess you'd know more than me about that.
23:42
Speaker 1: I didn't know much of the time. Naturally an open
23:44
Speaker 1: finding years, they would put it on the archives and
23:49
Speaker 1: I guess this how was working. If they got any
23:51
Speaker 1: information or any leads, they would open it back up
23:54
Speaker 1: and they would examine it. And I can tell you now, mate,
23:57
Speaker 1: over the years, I've had so many people contact me,
24:00
Speaker 1: whether it's through a letter, Facebook, or phone or text
24:05
Speaker 1: messages or whatever saying how they contact crime subbers. They'd
24:10
Speaker 1: call the detectees or email the detectives that were on
24:13
Speaker 1: the case, and never once did these are different range
24:18
Speaker 1: and source of people from all areas, they got no response.
24:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very poor.
24:25
Speaker 2: And the Curenter has been critical of New South Wales
24:28
Speaker 2: Police on several occasions in terms of these missing persons
24:31
Speaker 2: cases and I think your sister's case is exactly the
24:34
Speaker 2: same thing. And I guess this is why we're looking
24:37
Speaker 2: now to Jeremy Buckingham, the New South Wales politician, to
24:41
Speaker 2: really press this issue in the Parliament with this inquiry
24:46
Speaker 2: that's going to be held out of the gate Briarld
24:47
Speaker 2: next year. And I believe you've had a role to
24:50
Speaker 2: play in making that happen.
24:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, that wasn't by choice, was probably more by
24:58
Speaker 1: coincidence than anything else. I was a member of the
25:02
Speaker 1: recently formed Center for Missing Person Sport MP. I went
25:07
Speaker 1: to a function they had in Sydney Ransom. From that
25:10
Speaker 1: point on we sort of all told our stories and
25:14
Speaker 1: they asked me if probably the part of their committee.
25:16
Speaker 1: So I was so insaying that they had spoke to
25:20
Speaker 1: Parliament already, some of the people on the committee, and
25:24
Speaker 1: they got to have a meeting in you said, Well's Parliament.
25:29
Speaker 1: So we were waiting downstairs in Parliament. About five of
25:31
Speaker 1: the parliamentary people have walked in and Jeremy Buckingham was
25:36
Speaker 1: one of them. So at this time we're all just meetings, standing,
25:39
Speaker 1: taking photos, little chat before we went up to the gallery.
25:44
Speaker 1: They won a parliamentary inquiry into missing persons, so it
25:48
Speaker 1: changed a little bit from the first day we got there.
25:51
Speaker 1: But in saying that Jeremy Buckingham introduced himself to me,
25:56
Speaker 1: was probably about fifteen sixteen people there. He introduced himself
26:00
Speaker 1: to me and just said how he knew me and
26:04
Speaker 1: he had a my sister on his war in his office,
26:07
Speaker 1: and I thought to be honest, Adam the hairs on
26:10
Speaker 1: the back of my neck just stood up and I thought,
26:13
Speaker 1: politician I've never met, and he's got a photo of
26:15
Speaker 1: my sister. Then he explained in detail how he's been
26:19
Speaker 1: following over my lap for us I think ten years.
26:22
Speaker 1: So from that point on he said to me, Kevin,
26:25
Speaker 1: can we exchange numbers? And he said, we need to
26:27
Speaker 1: talk more. From that point on, I said great. We
26:31
Speaker 1: went up into the gallery where they put the motion
26:33
Speaker 1: on the floor about the inquiry. Nearly every political party
26:39
Speaker 1: spoke for us, and we're really interested in it is
26:43
Speaker 1: scept one person from the Labor party to be honest
26:45
Speaker 1: with you, and I'll vote Labor all my life. So
26:48
Speaker 1: insaying that, I was devastated what she was saying, because
26:51
Speaker 1: she was she couldn't have been further from the troop
26:53
Speaker 1: or she was talking about. Was the police, the police,
26:55
Speaker 1: the police, police. It wasn't all about the police, and
26:57
Speaker 1: it wasn't about us bagging the police at that point
27:00
Speaker 1: of time. So I when saying that that that inquiry
27:03
Speaker 1: was passed. So the next step was Jeremy had contacted me.
27:08
Speaker 1: We've been through a light. He'd come down to Wollongong.
27:11
Speaker 1: We've done a bit of a forum for me, some
27:13
Speaker 1: persons in the mall there just for other people, not
27:16
Speaker 1: just for myself. From there, Jeremy had organized to meet
27:21
Speaker 1: the new Subwlasst Premier, Chris Mins. Jeremy's called me and
27:24
Speaker 1: said Chris Mins is asked to speak to one of
27:26
Speaker 1: the family members and he wanted to speak to me
27:28
Speaker 1: because I'd probably been in parliament a few weeks before it.
27:32
Speaker 1: And when he said that, I thought, wow, I was
27:37
Speaker 1: not only shocked, I was funded a surprise. I was excited.
27:41
Speaker 1: I thought this could be our only chance. So in
27:44
Speaker 1: saying that, we've actually went up to the parliament got
27:47
Speaker 1: in to see Chris Mins. When just before we met him,
27:50
Speaker 1: they said you've got fifteen minutes with him, and I thought, jeez,
27:55
Speaker 1: this is going to be hard. So I was going
27:57
Speaker 1: to just talk to him in general. But days before that,
28:01
Speaker 1: I thought this doesn't happen very often, this might not
28:04
Speaker 1: happen again. This could be our last chance. So I
28:07
Speaker 1: just sat down for a few days and write an
28:09
Speaker 1: impact statement, just come from the heart, come straight from me,
28:12
Speaker 1: and include some other missing person as at end of
28:15
Speaker 1: Groomer case in that too. So when you sat down,
28:17
Speaker 1: come Alongsidy Shore, I said look, I've wrote an impact statement.
28:21
Speaker 1: I said, for me, this is very brief, and I said,
28:24
Speaker 1: for you is this could drag on a little bit,
28:26
Speaker 1: but if I'm getting my story in Chriss, I think
28:30
Speaker 1: everyone can understand it a little bit better. Straight away,
28:33
Speaker 1: he said, Kevin, this is a premier. He said, Kevin,
28:37
Speaker 1: take your time. There's no time limit on this. Straight away.
28:41
Speaker 1: He made me feel comfortable by the way. I thought
28:44
Speaker 1: he's got a genuine interest. Not only I think got
28:48
Speaker 1: a genuine interest. I think he's a really genuine man.
28:51
Speaker 1: And I don't talk highly of politicians like that because
28:54
Speaker 1: in my impact statement, with everything else I'd said in there,
28:57
Speaker 1: I also said sometimes I feel politicians are like car salespeople.
29:02
Speaker 1: I said, but we can change all world, hopefully hopefully
29:04
Speaker 1: someone going to listen to us. And I said, we
29:06
Speaker 1: can probably change a lot of things around Australia the
29:08
Speaker 1: way they've handled things in the past, probably how they
29:11
Speaker 1: can do things a little bit better. That's probably where
29:14
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on. From that point on, we
29:16
Speaker 1: went into Jeremy Buckingham's office upstairs and you've probably seen
29:21
Speaker 1: this before. I guess he's got a map of the
29:24
Speaker 1: East coast. He's got different colored pins where Ivan malap
29:28
Speaker 1: had been or worked, and he had another colored pin,
29:32
Speaker 1: maybe a green one. I think it was everywhere he'd
29:36
Speaker 1: been in work someone had gone missing. So he was
29:40
Speaker 1: full with this and I was shocked as had him
29:42
Speaker 1: be honest with you.
29:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, this inquiry is fast becoming not just to look
29:50
Speaker 2: at the unsolved murders and disappearances, but an inquiry into
29:54
Speaker 2: Ivan Malatt. And the other point to bear in mind
29:59
Speaker 2: is that we talk about him killing backpackers. Most of
30:03
Speaker 2: his victims were picked up in the day Darlinghurst, King's
30:06
Speaker 2: Cross area.
30:06
Speaker 4: I'm sure you're aware of that.
30:08
Speaker 1: That's what Jeremy told me. I didn't know that at
30:10
Speaker 1: the time.
30:11
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:11
Speaker 2: That also means that those letters written from Darlingis, if
30:16
Speaker 2: indeed they were even kay an Tony or just Ka,
30:20
Speaker 2: then they could well have been written under jures and
30:23
Speaker 2: maybe with some little clues a little like the misspelling
30:28
Speaker 2: in there, might have been deliberate. I think it's high
30:31
Speaker 2: time that this had a public airing and the people
30:34
Speaker 2: of New South Wales got to understand how much your
30:39
Speaker 2: family has suffered and the failure of police to do
30:42
Speaker 2: the most basic things here.
30:45
Speaker 4: How much. Are you looking forward to this inquiry again?
30:48
Speaker 1: Mixed emotions, mate. What I think about it is probably
30:51
Speaker 1: a little bit stressful thinking that I'm going to have
30:54
Speaker 1: to go through this all again, but on a larger scale.
30:58
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking this is an opportunity is not going
31:01
Speaker 1: to come up again. So I'm going to take this
31:04
Speaker 1: with arms, mate, and I'm for stemheavy with this, and
31:09
Speaker 1: I am excited. But to be honest, Adam, every time
31:12
Speaker 1: something like this happens, it doesn't matter what level or
31:14
Speaker 1: what scale. I've heard a lot of disappointment in the
31:18
Speaker 1: past as our parents, So I try not to get
31:21
Speaker 1: over excited, mate, I try not to build myself up
31:24
Speaker 1: to set myself up for disappointment. So I'm going in
31:27
Speaker 1: there with an open mind. Mate. I am, I'm nervous,
31:32
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm seriously looking forward to it.
31:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should be.
31:37
Speaker 2: I think it's also an opportunity on one level to
31:41
Speaker 2: give your sister a voice. You see these missing persons cases,
31:46
Speaker 2: they're photographs. They're girls frozen in time at a certain age,
31:50
Speaker 2: at a certain time, and they lose a bit of
31:54
Speaker 2: their humanity. And I think for someone like you to
31:57
Speaker 2: stand in front of the Parliament there and tell her
32:00
Speaker 2: what your sister was really like and why it's almost
32:04
Speaker 2: impossible to think think that she would have left your
32:06
Speaker 2: family and never come back with just a couple of
32:10
Speaker 2: letters explaining it.
32:13
Speaker 4: I think that's going to be very powerful.
32:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Adam, I think it will be too, because
32:18
Speaker 1: like you said, you say Rting, what you said made
32:21
Speaker 1: is totally out of character, something will we never ever
32:24
Speaker 1: expected to happen. She had a happy life at home.
32:28
Speaker 1: We all, you know, we got on well. Mom and
32:30
Speaker 1: Dad couldn't have done enough for us. You know, they
32:32
Speaker 1: didn't have much, but everything they had we got. Mom
32:35
Speaker 1: even left her employment to look after us. You know,
32:38
Speaker 1: she'd never ever used to want to leave us alone.
32:40
Speaker 4: So so what are your memories of k.
32:45
Speaker 1: Well, Dad used to run the local soccer club. He
32:48
Speaker 1: was a pretty good coach. I brought him over from
32:50
Speaker 1: Scotland actually, and we used to follow the soccer club
32:53
Speaker 1: a lot. And I remember there was something we used
32:55
Speaker 1: to do on a regular basis. Came and I would
32:57
Speaker 1: always peel the oranges at half time for them, would
33:00
Speaker 1: help mom. Mum would prepare the scripts and everything like that.
33:04
Speaker 1: When we're young, we used to walk to school together.
33:07
Speaker 1: We used to play out the front together. I still
33:09
Speaker 1: remember playing handball. It's funny, actually, you think of the
33:12
Speaker 1: best and the worst. And it was only just recently
33:15
Speaker 1: last week. I was thinking, we're playing handball out the
33:17
Speaker 1: front and I missed the ball and I went to
33:20
Speaker 1: kick it when I turned around and I actually keeped
33:22
Speaker 1: cart up the bomb. Oh yeah, it wasn't It wasn't intentional,
33:27
Speaker 1: and she wasn't there as I turned around, sort of thing.
33:30
Speaker 1: And you know what, I still to this day feel
33:34
Speaker 1: I hope that wasn't a trigger for her not to
33:37
Speaker 1: be happy and to and to change your life. But no,
33:41
Speaker 1: she wouldn't do that, man.
33:43
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure she wouldn't. I mean, twins have a
33:46
Speaker 2: special bond, I think, and I think you two were
33:49
Speaker 2: no different.
33:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I say. We had a special bond.
33:53
Speaker 1: We didn't like being apart. We weren't identical, but well,
33:56
Speaker 1: how are you were apart? We were always together, always
33:58
Speaker 1: doing family things. I had some premonissions in the early days,
34:02
Speaker 1: you know, I had some really good dreams, really dad nightmares.
34:06
Speaker 1: Probably I couldn't sleep properly at him for years. And
34:08
Speaker 1: then good Mom and Dad left the front light on
34:11
Speaker 1: that's where that all started. Back in nineteen seventy nine.
34:14
Speaker 1: Mum always left the front light on Hope and she
34:16
Speaker 1: would come home. That was just one's theory. Yeah, we
34:20
Speaker 1: had a couple of premonitions of what, you know, something
34:22
Speaker 1: had happened to her, and I had pictures of what
34:23
Speaker 1: had happened to her, you know, visualizations of a dream.
34:26
Speaker 1: And I still remember that peet to this day.
34:29
Speaker 2: And Yeah, one thing that I guess irritates me a
34:33
Speaker 2: bit is when I see in this case, the police
34:36
Speaker 2: didn't do the basics. They didn't show diligence, they didn't
34:39
Speaker 2: show dash in following.
34:41
Speaker 4: Up all the leads.
34:42
Speaker 2: Yet later on they talked to a psychic and she
34:46
Speaker 2: gets all this play and she creates the whole story
34:50
Speaker 2: about two offenders and a burial site at seven Mile Beach.
34:55
Speaker 2: And listen, mate, maybe you believe in that stuff, but
34:59
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a running tally pole or whatever.
35:02
Speaker 2: When I talked detectives, have you ever had a psychic
35:05
Speaker 2: ever help you? It's still zero after twenty years, and
35:09
Speaker 2: yet they continue to get publicity.
35:12
Speaker 4: I think in that case it was just false hope.
35:16
Speaker 1: Mate. If that's the best they can do, what does
35:19
Speaker 1: that say about it, huh. And the false hope was
35:22
Speaker 1: where all my thinkings started with, they're taking us down
35:27
Speaker 1: this path. We're getting so disappointed. Around that time, Adam,
35:32
Speaker 1: where I started thinking to myself, right, changing mindset, don't
35:36
Speaker 1: get too excited with this, you just set yourself up
35:39
Speaker 1: for disappointment. It got to the stage where I changed
35:42
Speaker 1: my mindset and I was sort of a little bit older,
35:45
Speaker 1: and I was saying to my mum, Oh, Mom, this
35:48
Speaker 1: is just a theory. Oh, they're just thinking about this.
35:50
Speaker 1: We're just going to try this. Don't get too excited yet.
35:53
Speaker 1: Let's just wait and see, because once you get your hope,
35:56
Speaker 1: site mate, it's a huge letdown. It's a huge letdown.
36:00
Speaker 1: And to answer your question previously, do I believe in
36:03
Speaker 1: side gigs?
36:05
Speaker 5: No?
36:06
Speaker 1: Have they ever done anything for else? Not? Really? Have
36:09
Speaker 1: they tried? Yes? Now the detectives brought them in, not us.
36:14
Speaker 1: Now there was a male and female detected. The male
36:17
Speaker 1: detective didn't want to have anything to do with it,
36:18
Speaker 1: but the female detective had broidery and brought it to
36:21
Speaker 1: our house. One stranging happened when she arrived. We were
36:25
Speaker 1: all sitting detectives and that had passed away by then
36:29
Speaker 1: my mom, myself, and the psyche. I feel silly talking
36:33
Speaker 1: about this, but it happened. There was two things she knew.
36:37
Speaker 1: One what I did as a kid, just trying to
36:41
Speaker 1: get over a fence. And I thought, how could she
36:43
Speaker 1: know that? No one knew that. Only me and my
36:46
Speaker 1: sister and probably my mom and dad knew that. So
36:48
Speaker 1: what it was We had a cat and I was
36:50
Speaker 1: really little. I was probably five years old, and I
36:51
Speaker 1: was trying to get over the fence and I think
36:54
Speaker 1: I put the cat under me and try to stand
36:55
Speaker 1: on us. I get a little bit more high and
36:57
Speaker 1: the cats run out from me. So insane that she
37:01
Speaker 1: had mentioned that, But then she'd come up. She's sitting
37:04
Speaker 1: there and she's smelling with her nose, and I don't
37:08
Speaker 1: know how she would have known this. And she said
37:10
Speaker 1: to my mum, she said, de Kay where impulse? Impulse
37:14
Speaker 1: was a perfume back and then does again hairs on
37:17
Speaker 1: the back of my next stood up And I won't
37:19
Speaker 1: because I knew that, I thought, well, and Mum said,
37:22
Speaker 1: yes she did. From there, it's ideally one of them.
37:25
Speaker 1: We still had a hair brush with Kay's hair on her.
37:28
Speaker 1: She said, can I take a little bit of hair,
37:30
Speaker 1: can I take a bit of jewelry? So this is
37:33
Speaker 1: our first dealings with mediums or psyekicks or anything. Mate.
37:37
Speaker 1: We didn't want to get too excite it, but we
37:38
Speaker 1: didn't want to be rude either, you know what I mean.
37:40
Speaker 1: So we just took it all on board and we
37:42
Speaker 1: just thought we've got to go with this. You know,
37:44
Speaker 1: this could be something. Every time something come up, we
37:47
Speaker 1: thought it was a lead. Mate. So yeah, we ended
37:50
Speaker 1: up down down the coast with caliva dogs and police
37:53
Speaker 1: and one of the police officers had changed his mind
37:56
Speaker 1: since he was dealing with this medium. But in saying that, mate,
37:59
Speaker 1: she's still in touch today. Nothing had to come of it.
38:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
38:04
Speaker 2: I don't want to be too critical because they are
38:06
Speaker 2: well meaning, but I think they can get one hundred
38:10
Speaker 2: things wrong and they might get two things right and
38:12
Speaker 2: people go, oh, how spooky. This must be a lead.
38:15
Speaker 2: And I think particularly when all the searches at seven
38:19
Speaker 2: Mile Beach failed, the psychic then said, well they're searching
38:22
Speaker 2: in the wrong place. Well, yeah, you can't have it
38:25
Speaker 2: every way, And I would love to hear from anybody
38:27
Speaker 2: out there. Please get in touch if you've had a
38:29
Speaker 2: psychic help you find a missing person, or solve a
38:32
Speaker 2: murder or anything at all. Please let me know. Maybe
38:35
Speaker 2: they can help me find my keys as well. I
38:38
Speaker 2: just don't believe in their ability to solve crimes, and
38:41
Speaker 2: I think that they do bring a lot of false
38:43
Speaker 2: and a lot of grief to families. But I'm hoping
38:45
Speaker 2: that this real world inquiry will at least put the
38:49
Speaker 2: full story out there. And there may be someone else
38:52
Speaker 2: out there, like I mean, for instance, the girls who
38:54
Speaker 2: with the dance at the disco, to find out whether
38:57
Speaker 2: the girl's actually turned up there. I think that's a
38:59
Speaker 2: critical piece of information that still seems to be uncertain.
39:02
Speaker 2: So this inquiry, as you say, is your best chance,
39:06
Speaker 2: and it may well be your last, because they're all
39:08
Speaker 2: getting older. You're getting older, your parents are gone, the
39:11
Speaker 2: witnesses die each year.
39:12
Speaker 4: The urgency is right there now.
39:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is, mate, It's right there now.
39:17
Speaker 1: That's why we're going to force them ahead with this.
39:19
Speaker 1: I'm not big on Facebook. I use it occasion for
39:23
Speaker 1: my business. I know there's a lot of stuff going
39:25
Speaker 1: on there lately about this, and I just can't keep
39:27
Speaker 1: up with it all. And I really don't want you
39:29
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. It's too much day in
39:31
Speaker 1: day out. Sometimes we just got to learn to turn
39:34
Speaker 1: it off, try and get a little bit of normality
39:36
Speaker 1: in our life. But in saying that, another thing the
39:39
Speaker 1: Premier said was they wanted to narrow this inquiry down.
39:44
Speaker 1: So I think it was from ninety sixty five to
39:46
Speaker 1: twenty ten. That's where the investigation is. So a lot
39:50
Speaker 1: of people have been left out of that since twenty ten.
39:53
Speaker 1: But insane that the Premier said to me. He said, listen,
39:56
Speaker 1: it's too wide, it's too open. If we can narrow
39:59
Speaker 1: this down a bit, we can at least get our
40:01
Speaker 1: foot in the door. And I felt for him to
40:04
Speaker 1: say that and give it advice like that. What a
40:06
Speaker 1: good man he is, and that's still the personality I
40:09
Speaker 1: have of him. So that's where we become more about
40:12
Speaker 1: Ivan Ala.
40:14
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so, I think all roads do lead
40:16
Speaker 2: to Ivan, but let's not leave other possibilities out of
40:20
Speaker 2: the frame. You'll be there representing your sister, your mum
40:23
Speaker 2: and dad, but also the other people who might not
40:28
Speaker 2: have the courage or the wherewithal to get there.
40:30
Speaker 4: Of the Parliament.
40:31
Speaker 2: So I thank you for your unstinding advocacy and as
40:34
Speaker 2: I said not just for your sister, but for others,
40:36
Speaker 2: and you've been doing this for many years. So I
40:38
Speaker 2: thank you for that on their behalf and.
40:41
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Right, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
40:44
Speaker 1: Thank you.
40:49
Speaker 4: Thanks for your time today. Mate.
40:51
Speaker 2: That's Kevin Doherty on the hunt for his sister Kay Doherty,
40:54
Speaker 2: missing since nineteen seventy nine. Jeremy Buckingham, he's a hero.
40:58
Speaker 2: He's brought this inquiry to the Parliament.
41:00
Speaker 4: There's going to be a.
41:01
Speaker 2: Thorough going look at these cases for the first time
41:04
Speaker 2: in a very very long time, and it's going to
41:06
Speaker 2: be ugly if in you Sibell's Police, but hopefully there
41:09
Speaker 2: are people in the hierarchy who say this is an
41:11
Speaker 2: opportunity to do better, not just with those old cases
41:14
Speaker 2: but even today, because girls are still going missing and
41:18
Speaker 2: then they're not being found and families are still suffering.
41:21
Speaker 2: If you can help with this inquiry, please get in
41:24
Speaker 2: touch with Jeremy Buckingham. We'll actually put the links to
41:27
Speaker 2: the inquiry. It's now open for submissions. Send what you can.
41:32
Speaker 2: If you need to be confidential, do so. They will
41:34
Speaker 2: respect your anonymity. But please don't sit there and be quite.
41:38
Speaker 2: You've heard the impact and we've done a number of stories.
41:42
Speaker 4: We've talked to.
41:42
Speaker 2: Ricky Nash, Cheryl's brother, We've talked to other families that
41:45
Speaker 2: have lost people. Now Kevin's family. Don't let them continue
41:50
Speaker 2: without your help. Please get in touch. You can always
41:53
Speaker 2: call crime stoppers if you trust the police, call one hundred,
41:56
Speaker 2: triple three, triple zero, or you can send me an
41:59
Speaker 2: email Adam Shanner, writer at gmail dot com.
42:02
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42:04
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