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How Your Own Spiritual Peace Can Effect World Peace - Interview with Barbara With · Spunky Spirit with Cari Mugz

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Welcome to the Spunky Spirit Podcast. I'm your host, psychic medium Carrie Muggs.
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This is where we learn all things spirit, everything from spiritual gifts,
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awakenings, ghosts, aliens and star seeds. Nothing is untouchable but always fun
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and spunky. I am honored to be on this virtual journey with you,
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so make sure you get the subscribe button so you never missed an episode.
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I am so excited to have with us. Barbara with She is an international
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peace activist, an award winning author, a psychic, and a channeler and
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also too, you work with you at channel with Albert Einstein. Correct,
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yes, okay, and we'll talk about that a little bit later on.
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And you also have a society or a party sorority. Does that make sense,
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the psychic sorority, Yes, and we'll talk about that. And you've
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also written six books and one of them is about the afterlife. Correct yes,
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yes, yes, And this is so amazing, so it's an honor
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to have you here. I'm excited to talk about this stuff because a lot
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of my followers love to talk about the mediumship stuff, but I think this,
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the channeling, is what they would be a lot of it would be
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having a lot of interest in So do you how old were you or when
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did you start channeling? You know, I officially started channeling in the way
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that I do now in nineteen eighty seven. Oh wow. But I always
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like to say that I preempted that with music because I was a very very
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young musician. I started playing the piano at five, I started writing songs
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at twelve, and by the time I got out of high school, I
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had two sets of original music. And I just went on the road for
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twenty years as a composer performer in rock and roll and amazing. So you
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know, in terms of what is channeling, writing music is channeling, right,
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Yes. And I once heard a very famous physicist named Brian Green describe
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how he does math and that's channeling. Yeah. So for me, it's
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about going into the nothing or the non physical and listening and being able to
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interpret what I'm hearing back in my words and expression. Yeah. And you
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made extraordinary work out of channeling. Yes, And you're doing your on a
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tour right now about it's called revolution, conflict, Revolution, Yes, can
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you tell us a little bit about that. I felt like that is amazing.
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Yeah, it really isn't just briefly about the origins. So when I
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began to channel, I had had a mentor for many years and she described
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herself as an antenna. Oh so there wasn't anybody else or any angels or
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aliens or whatever. So when I began to channel, that's how I felt.
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But in nineteen ninety three I wanted to do some group channeling to see
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what would these voices say coming to a group of people. And as it
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turned out, I had two new clients and they had sent a bunch of
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their women friends. And when Kim came for her reading, everything was really
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elevated, really and she very clear and very fast. And what it happened,
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Yeah, I was hanging out in my chair and she was. You
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know, she was a very conservative business woman who would never have come to
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a psychic except she was in crisis. Oh yes, So it was particularly
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profound for her, who was really skeptical, to a couple days later call
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me up and say, I've transcribed my tape. What does this mean?
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And what does this mean? And what does this mean? And so we
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started to have these converss right And at the time I was playing, I
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was doing a long term gig in a beautiful hotel in Minneapolis, and they
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would come on my break so we would talk. So about the same time
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I thought, oh my gosh, here's my group. They were thinking,
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Hey, let's have a bottle of wine and get all the girls over and
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let's you know, ask Barb to come. So I called them up and
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they're like, hey, we were just thinking that. So our very first
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group channel was December of nineteen ninety three, so it was just a little
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over thirty years ago. And they asked, who are you in a reading?
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Right in the reading? I have to say to you before you don't
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you love it when the skeptical when the readings, the skeptical readings are like
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the best, like when they're the best readings ever, like you get I
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don't know about you, but I sometimes I can tell when they're stepping I
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get a little nervous. But then they turned into this magical thing and it
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turns into something bigger than what you even imagine. And I think those are
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the best kinds. So exactly that when you were in the group, like
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when you were talking about being in the group and channeling the group, so
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is that like a when you channel a group was different a group of spirits
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or like it, or just a group of people that were in it.
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Well, I didn't know what to expect, right because I didn't have any
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group of I didn't have a party or anybody I was channelling. And so
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I met just the group of us. They are about eight of us who
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came in and we I channeled for about two and a half hours and we
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just transcribed it and basically what they said. And I wouldn't say this was
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exactly in the very first group we did, but we did many many groups
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after that. They said that they were angels. And see, I think
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skepticism is a really good thing. I do too. It's it's the cynics
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that that's hard when they don't want to change their mind at all. That's
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skeptics are good. I love that because they always have like a little bit
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of an open mind. It's the cynic that's like that don't want to change
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their mind and you can't say anything. That's the thing that I struggle with.
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But skeptics, I think skeptics are It's beautiful because because like you,
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I've had skeptics come too, and they'll you know, they'll sit there and
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their arms are crossed and then by the end of the reading, they're just
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like amazed, And I think that that's what's so beautiful. And those are
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the strongest sometimes some of the strongest readings. I feel like when you get
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a lot of the information, So I think that's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah.
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And also that skepticism will withstand the truth. M hm. You know,
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if you're skeptical and it's the truth, then then you then you learn
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because your spirit knows truth, right, spirit knows your souls truth, and
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so it can't deny it. I feel like, yeah, right, yeah,
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so you go ahead. So the angels basically told us they had this
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revolutionary process to resolve conflict that they felt was going to be a pathway to
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global peace. So they kept saying, we're not you know, the byproduct
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of what we're teaching you will be global peace, but we want you to
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focus on this process and test it for us. Is the process within first?
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Yes, I love that. I love that. So they needed these
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humans to test it on real conflict. And the three of us, who
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had already dubbed ourselves the Psychic Sorority, we just took the ball and ran,
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and we eventually had our first conflict. And as we're sitting at the
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table doing the traditional not well, you could have done this, and you
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could have done that. And I said, wait a minute, let's get
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that transcript. And I read the one line that hit me when I channeled
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it so hard. It was like, if you have a conflict, the
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root of your part of it is within you. Yes, yes, I
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tell my clients or my followers all the time. They'll totally agree with you
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because they all know if you took the process to grow spiritually is all within.
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It's not something outside of ourselves. It's always something within. What I
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find interesting is that this thing that you're doing is you find it all within
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which will go outside, is that it will go globally and collectively. And
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I think that that is amazing. I think that that's a beautiful thing too,
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because of course this has probably aged me too. But do you I
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don't know if you remember, but do you remember? And do you remember
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the Quantum Leap series where Sam Beckett would jump into different different episodes every different
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lifetimes and at the very end he talks to God or Source and he says
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he thought he would make a bigger difference and God says, well, you
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had to do it one at a time. You had to do it with
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one person at a time. It wasn't going to be one great big thing.
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You had to do it one at a time. So I think that
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this is exactly what people are looking for, exactly what needs to be done.
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I feel like it is to go collectively. It has to go within
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one par percent at a time. So do you just do you do sessions
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with one with one person at a time or explain that, like, how
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does that work? As far as teaching conflict revolutions? Yes, no,
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I do. I can do one to one coaching, but I often do
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uh well, since you know, the past three years, I often do
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zoo. Now I've gone back into live classes and groups. Can you do
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groups at a time too? Yeah? Yeah. And what's interesting is after
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my well, we put out our first book is Diaries of a Psychic Territy
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came out in nineteen ninety seven. And after that, and during that time,
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I had discovered that I could actually communicate with people who had passed on
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on a local level, ye mediumship. Teresa's mother came and other people,
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and then I was also doing I was called to channel for a woman whose
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son was autistic and had never spoke, and I sat between him and she'd
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asked the questions, and after a couple sessions, she's like, Nope,
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I don't need you now. I know for sure that I can hear him
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myself. Oh so that that's beautiful. And then there was my friend Mary
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and her mother was in a like an Alzheimer's coma, and she'd been talking
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about her mother and the how it turned out. There was literally this swoosh
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whenever a person who had passed on was in my presence and I would see
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this picture of them, and so I'm describing her mother. She's like Joan
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of arc and she's this and she's like, yeah, that's my mom.
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That's my mom. So when did she pass No, she's in a coma.
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Okay, that is so interesting because I'm sorry, there's so much to
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talk about me. I know, during a reading one time, I was
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just like kind of shocked because her mom came through and everything was accurate,
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and she's like, but my mom's still alive, she just has Alzheimer's.
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And I was like, that's why that's so interesting. To keep going.
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I love this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so so anyway, So
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after our book came out, my literary agent got a call from a tabloid,
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a paranormal tabloid in London that wanted an interview with Princess Diana on the
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one year anniversary over death. And I'd never done such a thing. I'd
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never gone dead. People always came to me. I'd never gone looking right
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right, yes, like I know, I don't, Yes, I agree,
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I agree. So I thought, well, I thought for a long
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time because I thought a tabloid really, but so I thought, let's try
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it. And I channeled the questions and the answers via typing, and when
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I went back to read it, I just wept. It was so in
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depth and so beautiful and so not you, huh like so so not me.
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I love that when that happens. I love that that. Yes,
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that oneness, I love that. So that ended up go ahead. So
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that's okay, I love me to tell you. The tabloid flew me out
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to New York. We spent five hours together, but they didn't want it
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because, as you would might imagine, Princess Diana did not mention one word
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about Camilla or Charles. Oh, and they wanted That's what they wanted.
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Oh so yeah, my agent my agent and I thought, well, if
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there's you know, she'll talk, maybe there's other famous dead people who want
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to talk. So we made this list and I would go to women.
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Some of them would and some of them wouldn't. And by the time we
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got to John Kennedy, he said, you don't have to think up people.
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We are a party. There's twelve of us. They call them Party
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of twelve. And they actually told us about this in the last Reading and
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Diaries. That's your book, isn't it. Yes, Yes, the afterlife
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interviews. Okay, okay, so that's what is this about. Oh interesting,
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okay, So that's what all these interviews were. But when I got
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to Einstein, that is the voice that was coming through me, and you
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might read so strong and also you know the body feeling of the music that
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I think he's been with me my whole life. And so in two thousand
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and five I decided to do a book just for him, just to channel
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the little book. That's what I thought, Well, let's see what he
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has to say. It was one hundred year anniversary of his miracle year.
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So I channeled five or successions and then I spent the winter editing. But
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what happened during that winter was that he delivered to me something he couldn't do
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when he was alive, which was a unified field theory, which is a
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theory of how everything works on the macrocosm and the microcosm. And this unified
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field theory had what he called a map of human consciousness, which explained how
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our human consciousness interacts with energy to manifest matter. Yep, I've seen some
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of that too, and so yeah, you know, you don't know when
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you see things or when you download things, you kind of don't really know
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how to explain it. But you're like again, and then when you're talking
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about it, I'm like, Okay, I get it. And you have
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they like scientific evidence, right, like they have scientific like what you're explaining.
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Scientists have said, well, no scientists has ever come up with anything
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as as profound and complete as what we have. But every time I go,
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because through all of these years I've been watching science, I'm not a
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scientist, right, I know. All I ever wanted to be was a
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rock star, so here I am. But through the years, like in
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twenty sixteen, I think it was they discovered the gravitational waves from Einstein's relativity.
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I was like, you mean our gravitational waves, because there's gravitational waves
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very much a part. And then Nasim Harrowman has been working very hard and
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he's come up with his unified field, and my associates and I have to
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chuckle because he's got a little few pieces of it and they fit in right,
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but not anywhere near as complete as is found, including just to add
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a scientific quantifiable definition of compassion as the fifth fundamental force of the universe.
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See, I love that. That was so profound to me. I was
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like, this is kind of like, am I just making this up?
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Because it's so I know, I get, And doesn't it feel that yes,
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you're like crazy, yes, and then you just know, like you
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just and you get, you know, validation after validation, you just know.
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And I just I think it's beautiful what you're doing. And I have
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always said if science and spirit would just combine, and that's exactly what you're
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doing, Like, if science and spirits could just combine their efforts, it
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would just be amazing, Like and that's what I feel like you're doing.
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On on on a on a on a commutative on a collective level, Right,
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that's what you're doing. Yes, I think that's awesome. Yes.
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So when that when that book came out, Imagining einstein Essays on m Theory,
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World Peace, and the Science of Compassion, I kind of left my
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life behind and I just decided I'm going to manifest this book to go where
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it needs to. I have no idea how I'm going to do it,
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but I fully intend to find out one step at a time. And I
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was invited to speak at a conference in Taos in two thousand and seven that
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probably reached half a million people around the world, and it was really just
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took me all around the world, teaching training, getting to sing as well.
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And I love that you have music involved too. I love that because
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it's like so clear audio, like you're just you just channel all that so
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you're already kind of there, like all of your journey led you to this,
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to this exactly. Yeah. Yes, interesting. So so that's that's
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that's how I that's how I came to be an emissary for Einstein. And
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then in twenty sixteen, I had kind of come in off the road from
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doing that and I shifted gears a little bit. I became an investigative journalist
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in Wisconsin where I live, and founded a media co op and kind of
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watched the beginning of the fascist takeover of the of Wisconsin and now we see
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this whole global totalitarianism that we're all dealing with on that level. But I
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still published in twenty sixteen a book called Einstein at All Manifestation, Conflict Revolution
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and the New Operating System, because what I wanted to do was I wanted
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to do the art or the pictures to depict these things. Oh, and
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I had looked in imagining Einstein. I just did these little hand drawings like
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a scientist might. But I wanted to do them, and so I looked
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for artists I couldn't and so find I just thought I'm just gonna do it.
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So I sat down with my graphic skills and I I created the whole
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illustrations of this unified field theory. And then and then that proves why conflict
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revolution works. I see conflict revolution at the end too. So do you
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kind of show this to people that you're like doing the sessions with or do
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what do you call it? Is it like a course or is it a
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session? Or well, it's I'm working on a course, but I also
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did just do classes. I've been doing zoom classes for the past couple of
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years. Uh, lately I've started doing in person classes where I'm called or
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where I where I find myself. And so so if I was just in
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general, like just my listeners, if I was like having conflict within myself,
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is this where like why would I come to you? Does that make
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sense? Like? So if I was, can you answer that for me?
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So, like my listeners can kind of know if is it if I'm
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having some conflict with myself or if I want an awakening or what? Does
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that make sense? And I understand that it helps with the collective, But
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if I'm having an internal conflict, like how would I know? I mean,
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you know you have chaos, and you know you have you know,
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depression and things like that, But why would I be like, Okay,
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I'm gonna come and see this. Does that make sense? Yes? Well,
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first of all, because what we offer is truly revolutionary. Yes,
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And when you have this internal conflict, it's predicated by being triggered, right,
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You get emotionally triggered, right, and then you get intellectually obsessive.
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And so what we do. It makes it so revolutionary is not that you
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haven't heard these pieces before, but the way that Einstein put them together to
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show us. That's the difference. That's the difference. It's not like it's
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it's not like you know. So if people want to know what they're what
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their reason for to be here is, or their purpose, this would be
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like that internal conflict of feeling not good enough or feeling like they don't have
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this would show them this is why this is. They would that they're part
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of the collective. Right. But the difference is that Albert Einstein part of
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it. Right. Yeah. Well then, and even though we're all part
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of the collective, we're a fractal that we've been given our own domain,
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yeah, to take care of, to live in our own life, separate,
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I mean the lens of the physical ocean drop. We're alone, but
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we're part of a yes. Yes, And when we change ourselves, as
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you know, then we change what happens around us, around us, yes,
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and what manifests. And in the unified field theory, what happens is
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the center of the source of everything is in the center of the planet.
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Now I've never so source thats in like the universe source it's and that is
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a that is a theory I've never heard before, Like in the center of
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the Earth. I you know, I think a lot of people think of
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it as outside of ourselves or outside or like a heaven or so having it
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be in the center of the earth is actually profound to me. Like I
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think that that's pretty and it makes sense, like, you know, because
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your spirit knows truth, so you're just like, oh, I think that
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could you know, that's amazing? I love that. Yeah. And when
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he told me that back in two thousand and five and said, the center
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of the Earth is like a black hole because the center of the Earth is
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spinning so fast and it's so hot from the edges of the planet that it
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sort of drills through space time and creates this black hole effect. And when
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he said that in two thousand and five, I was like, you want
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me to go out there and tell people this. But if anybody goes to
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YouTube and googles Brian Green and science Time, there's a whole video that just
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got done about Brian Green explaining how black holes aren't just these big things out
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there eating planets. They can be very small constructs and in fact, he
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said, we can be in a black hole in the Earth and that's how
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we're having our physical reality. So that blows me away. That does be
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too. Actually this is really interesting, yeah, right, so interesting.
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So from the source, compassion impels energy to step out of nothing and into
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something and create what we call a compilation of consciousness. So it's a circular
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membrane domain that surrounds all of the mathematics that are making up what's in your
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physical world, so the chair, the fire, everything, and from there,
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a gravitational wave goes from the center of the planet to the surface of
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the planet, and when it breaks through, it's creating our body. It's
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creating this lens they call it, and we project the entire universe and we
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perceive it back to us. So while people say, you know, separation
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isn't real, it is really real. It's just not the whole operating system.
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It's just a part of it. So if they're what he says is
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this is a perfect system that whatever is programmed on this wave and in this
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particle is going to perfectly manifest. So if there's a lot of conflict on
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this part of the wave, it perfectly manifests the conflict, confact. Why
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the system can be perfect and we still have conflict and yes, So when
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we go in we work on this part of the wave. He calls it
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the three human dimensions of emotion, intuition, and intellect, and they're like,
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they're like spiritual organs. You know, you have your heart does one
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thing and you you fix it one way. The stomach does another. But
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they all work together, and when you know how they're supposed to work together,
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they work optimally. So emotion has one definition that's different than what we
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think it is. In I think the classical sense of feelings, it's defined
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as the primordial soup. It's at the basis of all physical reality. So
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in this first part of the wave that's coming out of the compilation is this
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big wave of emotion. So all of my fractals are just identifying I am
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barb by embarb, all the chair fractals, I'm a chair. I'm a
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chair. So it's moving up, and when it moves up, it splits
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into two now and it becomes intuition. And intuition is the voice of emotion,
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which is really the voice of compassion. And intuition is that impelling statement
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or whatever. It's not always a statement that's impelling you to take the next
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most advantageous step for the good of the whole of what's going on, right,
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And intuition knows that because it's connected to compassion, which knows the bigger
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picture of everything. So it's going to impel you. And like, there's
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intuitive messages right now going beat heart, beat heart, beat heart. It
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is intuition, Yeah, it's it's yeah, I get that, like and
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I didn't, but I, honestly, Barb didn't realize. You know,
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I never even thought that emotion was connected to intuition. I mean, I
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knew it kind of was, but I also thought that intuition like spoke without
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emotion. Does that make sense because it's in some in some instances when I
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have when I've had my strongest intuition, there's been no emotion attached to it.
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There's been just like this is what I do. But I understand that
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what you're saying is that our emotions can help with our intuition, then,
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right, that is that kind of what Yeah, well, there's there's emotion.
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There's the primordial soup that's coming up and impelling all of this stuff to
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go be a chair, Go be barb. You know, it's always impelling
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you to take a step, go be a chair. And then when it
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gets to the third the intellect, the intellect is designed to take all of
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that and sort through what's iner and outer. So if it's I am a
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chair, I am a chair, I'm a chair, is the you know,
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the message of that fractal, it revolves it to that is a chair.
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So all the things that are outside of us get identified and projected,
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and then it identifies what's also in our inner world. So what happens though,
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is, as we all know, intellect holds ego. An ego holds
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the mechanism that actually instigates the decisions. So if you're driving and you get
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an intuitive message turn right, it's not your intuition that makes your hand grab
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the steering wheel and turn right. It's just impelling to intellect an ego.
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That's the area that then makes the decision to put the hand on the wheel
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and turn right. And what happens, good? Are we kind of and
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that's great? It's just I think in the New Age culture or the new
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we're kind of taught differently, right, We're kind of taught that our intuition
27:08
is like what makes us turn. It's not that it intellect. It's like
27:11
our intuition. Does that make sense? Like, so it's kind of like
27:15
way not, it's just different than what we've been taught normally or what we've
27:18
been taught. So when we do this you kind of explain or when you
27:22
know, we take a course or we listen to these that you're doing,
27:26
it explains it. It will it like kind of dumb it down, Yes,
27:32
very dumb, dumb me. No, you're getting it though. But
27:37
see what happens is what Einstein says is and this is why it's so revolutionary.
27:41
Revolutionizes a lot of New Age stuff. And one of the things is
27:45
that he says that the root of all conflicts that manifest in the lens come
27:51
because ego says no to intuition. Yes, that makes sense to me.
27:59
Yes, so ego can say turn left, I got to go to over
28:03
here. That's not going to be We've all done that. Intuition says rest,
28:08
I can't rest, I've got too much to do. And if we
28:11
what he's saying, and so far it's proven true for me, is that
28:15
when we retrain ourselves, when we have this new operating system where the intellect
28:21
is so mastered that its job is to listen for the impelling and then do
28:29
it. And all that other time, all that activity in our intellect,
28:34
and you know how much it is we're thinking about tomorrow and yesterday and this
28:37
and that is unnecessary. Yeah, and when we he says to have this
28:44
open mind, like you're sitting under the night sky and you're connected to the
28:48
ground and you're seeing the whole sky. That's how your intellect should be watching
28:55
the world, right, And can you do that in meditation? Like can
28:59
you does? Or is that just you need to be outside and look at
29:02
this guy? Literally? No, no, no, it's just a it's
29:04
a metaphor for yes. That's what I thought. Okay, yeah, as
29:08
opposed to all that thinking that we do yes, that we think that we
29:11
do yes. And and the other revolutionary thing that really changes a lot of
29:17
new iage ideas is that this emotion we are supposed to be feeling all of
29:25
it, it's not oh, just stay in the joy and don't go into
29:29
this no no, no, no no, right, Because we sometimes get
29:32
taught that and I talk about this all the time on my podcast too,
29:36
that that toxic positivity, like we're always supposed to be happy, We're always
29:40
supposed to be everything, and I'm like, that is not true. We
29:42
have to process things, We have to we have to feel these emotions,
29:47
because if we pretend it's not happening, we can't do the inner stuff,
29:51
which does the outer stuff? Right? Is that exactly? Yes? But
29:55
what happens is just as just getting back to how matter manifests all, right,
30:00
emotion comes up. Intuition says, go be a chair, intellect turns
30:04
it around, projects it that as a chair. Well, that's all well
30:08
and good. But when we have an anger and it comes up through us,
30:12
and probably intuition is going to tell us go feel it or release it,
30:17
or something good for our bodies, something for our health, and it
30:19
gets to the intellect. It triggers thoughts that project outside ourselves and that becomes
30:26
a reality. Well, he didn't respect me and he didn't do this,
30:27
and now we've got to go into the outside of ourselves to try to figure
30:32
out this conflict and you know, communicate with the person who did it to
30:36
us, and there's all this rigmarole. So the process we teach people is
30:42
how to feel the whole gamut. First of all, thinking is not feeling.
30:48
Thinking about why you feel something is not processing feeling. It might help
30:52
you to because I think a lot of people think that, I know,
30:56
think that if they think about it or they kind of mull it over in
31:00
their head or even talk about it, they think it's processing it. It's
31:03
processing it. You're processing. But a lot of times what we do is
31:07
and I'm not. You know, I've had therapy my whole life, so
31:11
I'm not. But what I've taught myself is that feeling is really what we
31:19
want to do. Is we want to create a channel with our breath to
31:25
move the emotion which is situated in our solar plexus up through our body and
31:30
not marry to any thought at all unless it's why breath work works. Yeah,
31:37
some people, Okay, this makes sense. It's like, yes,
31:41
I get it, because you're breathing, and you're breathing, and you've had
31:44
breath work. I've had breathwork where after an hour breathing, I go weep.
31:48
Yes, because we're touching these deep and if we don't do this,
31:52
emotion doesn't just go away. All that emotion gets obsessed and it gets stuck.
31:59
And then if you're on that wave that perfectly manifesting in the lens,
32:04
all that obsessed emotion is going to sit there and what it manifests as is
32:08
either an inner conflict of illness illness or an outer conflict of floors or relationship
32:15
issues. So it creates those I see. So when we go in and
32:21
we have a new way of processing it where we do it with our breath.
32:23
I used to have a mantrade say I don't need to know why I'm
32:27
feeling this, I just need to breathe. So and I sometimes I had
32:30
to say it every five minutes because I would get back on the oh she
32:34
did this to me. It's like, nope, I'm not going to attach
32:37
to those thoughts. I'm going to move that because this is the unifying This
32:40
is our unified field when we can feel the whole of our emotion right,
32:46
And it's so crazy to me because it's like aha moments for me, I'm
32:51
like, oh my gosh. That. But I'm going to ask I'm going
32:53
to just ask you one question and it might be a stupid question, but
32:57
I no, no, no, you explain what the lens is. When
32:59
you say the lens, what do you mean by that the lens is the
33:02
physical world. It's our physical experience of the world. Okay, but that's
33:08
only ten percent of the whole operating system. The rest is non physical.
33:14
It's in these uh and if you if I had a map of the map
33:16
of the field, you could see that it's really just But to us it's
33:22
the whole universe whose that's what we're experiencing. So the kind of like a
33:27
metaphor of what we see through the lens a little bit, is that or
33:30
no, well, I think the lens of our eyes, yes, ok
33:34
which operates like it flips things like that. It's part of that. Okay,
33:38
go be a chair, You're a chair is out there. So there's
33:43
a lens component in it. But he calls it the lens and he and
33:46
he, he depicts it as like a reflection of that compilation of conscious That
33:54
makes sense, the reflection, Yes, that makes sense. So it's like
33:58
some kind of membrane domain that we're projecting the whole universe and then perceiving it
34:02
back to ourselves on this inside curvature of this day, which is what Brian
34:07
Green said, is that it's a black hole that we're doing that in I
34:12
see. That blows my mind. But so do you feel like you've had
34:15
so I just have to ask too, So is it kind of a a
34:21
I mean, I think it's a great, kind of a cool relationship that
34:23
you've had then with Albert Einstein. Men, right, Like, I think
34:28
that's kind of cool. As a media myself, I've never like tried to
34:31
like channel or I just you know, just do my But it's interesting to
34:37
me that you have this relationship with Albert Einstein. And and do you think
34:42
and I know that you know that there's no one more superior or inferior than
34:45
anybody, But why do you think that he chose you guys, your sorority
34:49
or you? Does that make sense just because that the angels told us we
34:53
volunteered and we're chosen. Oh nice? I like that. So I was
34:58
born on February seventh of nineteen fifty five and he died in April of nineteen
35:04
fifty five. So I think when I was very young and he went into
35:08
afterlife, that there was some kind of agreement that we had and it began,
35:15
and I think a lot of the music was part of training me for
35:17
this. That gives me jails because that kind of resonates with me because I'm
35:21
a total I'm big on like dates like that, like you know, and
35:24
and with the music because I just I could feel it. Because that's why
35:29
I said it, all of your stuff has brought you to hear now,
35:30
because I really could feel that. I feel like everything that you've gone through
35:34
brought you to this because I feel like it was kind of pre and I
35:37
hate to say predestined, but kind of in a way, I kind of
35:39
feel like that. I kind of feel like that that's what this was,
35:43
like, your journey, your purpose, and I think it's beautiful. Yeah,
35:46
yeah, and not knowing, you know, because when I was growing
35:51
up, like I said, I was singing into the hair brush and I
35:52
was going to be a rock star period, you know, heat wave and
35:58
you know I'm going to be a rock star. So I think in talking
36:00
about manifestation about how to manifest, a lot of it, like you've said,
36:06
because I've listened to some of your podcasts, is you know you can
36:08
work backwards from how it's going to happen, but not be too attached to
36:13
the process of where it's going. That's where everybody gets this so hard.
36:16
Is they put it out there. But if they have a heart, day
36:20
want to control how it happens, even though you have to be open to
36:22
however it happens. So yes, go ahead, because I love manifesting.
36:28
My clients love that part. Now, yeah, and I think what's important
36:30
about working backwards with a theoretical how it can happen. It gives our intellect
36:36
like, oh, okay, all right, now I can see how it
36:38
would happen. It may not happen that way, but at least now I
36:43
can see how it can help how it can. Yeah, so it opens
36:45
up a part of us. But for example, for that big event that
36:50
I was at, I had left my husband, I'd left my state,
36:53
I moved to another you know, I was and I was a mess.
36:58
And I had hired these women who were promoters who were helping independent publishers like
37:04
myself. But I had no idea how any of this was going to happen.
37:09
And I just kept saying, fully I have no idea, but I
37:13
fully intend that I'm going to do this. And then to ask you,
37:16
did you have any scientific background, like did you know because some of the
37:20
stuff you're saying, I'm like, I don't know if I could like kind
37:22
of is a little bit over, you know what I mean. But then
37:24
once you kind of see it, you're like, oh my gosh, that
37:28
that really resonates. Did you have any scientific It was all musical, right,
37:31
Like no scientific stuff. No, And I had to you know,
37:35
get it from Einstein and then learn what does this mean? And does I
37:39
mean am I going to go out into the world and say these things?
37:43
And scientists are going to look at me like you have? And so far
37:46
it hasn't been that. But but yeah, that's awesome. And I think
37:52
everyone that has like this spiritual thing or they always I like me included,
37:57
you kind of get to that point where like am I really going to do
37:59
this? Am I really to go out there and do this? But you
38:00
just get that push that you have to you just have that it's like almost
38:06
uncontrollable, really, you know what I mean. Like I mean, I
38:07
guess ego could take over, could be like, no, We're not going
38:10
to do this, but there's just your soul knows differently, right. Yeah.
38:15
But also I think it's important to understand intuition in a way. Here's
38:20
the example I give. My mother had to go into assisted living, so
38:23
We did all this research, my sisters and I intuitively this was going to
38:28
be the place. It was near the house where she had grown, you
38:31
know, lived, and I was going to be living in the house,
38:34
taking care of her the assisted living well. We got in there after a
38:37
month, and it turned out that they failed to tell us that they were
38:43
just an interim company that was called in by HUD because the original owners had
38:49
walked away, and there was this chance that in four months everyone was going
38:52
to get evicted. And I beat myself up so badly. I intuitively I
38:59
thought this was the place. What are we gonna do it? So we
39:01
worked our way through it and we stayed there. But we decided not to
39:05
sell the house to make sure that, you know, it was gonna be
39:07
okay. In four months, she wasn't getting evicted. Four months, she's
39:10
walking around, she's even happier than ever. They've got the business going.
39:15
She falls and breaks her femur and she cannot be there. And had we
39:22
sold the house, yeah, I wouldn't have been able to bring her home.
39:27
And then I found two homeless PCAs and a program to pay for them,
39:30
and she lived another almost three years. Yeah, happily, so it
39:35
was almost like your intuition was right, but it didn't see like it right,
39:37
Like right, that's what happens all the time we listened to our intuition,
39:40
we do the things and they're like, well, wait, this was
39:43
but then it ends up being like that's the way it was supposed to be.
39:46
And people have a hard time seeing that when they're in it. It's
39:50
it's the big picture that they don't see. Yeah. Well, and I
39:53
think we think that if we listen to our intuition, everything's going to just
39:58
turn out exactly we will, and that is not that it goes, I
40:02
know, and I try to tell people that that sometimes it's not going to
40:06
be rainbows and roses all the time. If you listen to your intuition.
40:08
Sometimes you're gonna do something and it's gonna but it's going to cause a cause
40:13
it effect react that it's gonna you're gonna end up being on the same where
40:15
you're supposed to be anyways, right, Yes, exactly, yes, And
40:20
I am so glad at this age that I never became a rock star.
40:24
I mean, trust me, I had twenty years of being a rock star.
40:29
But when I see when I look back and see how much of that
40:32
drive too, for me was because I didn't have the self love or the
40:37
self affirmation and so you know, it was that external gratification that was driven.
40:40
Oh yeah, if I get, you know, the whole world to
40:43
love me, then But now I'm so glad it never happened that I would
40:47
not want to be in that position or in that in that in that industry
40:52
for sure, right because it's so yeah, I'm glad you're at where you're
40:55
at. I'm glad you didn't be a rock star. I'm still alive.
41:00
It can still happen. I love this. So, so what are your
41:06
plans for the future, Like, are you going to are you are you
41:09
going to be more speaking? Are you You did say you're going to have
41:12
a course? Correct, Yes, I'm working on an online sort of downloadable
41:16
course that you can take for conflict revolution right now. I am leaving the
41:22
country at the end of January and mostly going to the UK, but I
41:27
have some other places around Europe that I'm going and I'm on a world peace
41:30
tour and I say I'm looking for the participation of the willing to take part
41:35
in a worldwide non violent action to end the age of war using conflict revolution,
41:42
because if we all go in theoretically and find this us versus them,
41:47
whether it's you know you and me versus you know he's doing this, or
41:52
it's intellect and intuition, right, then the natural manifestation will be this reduction
41:59
of all of this in saying war that's bringing us to the brink. Yeah,
42:04
you and I just and I know this is small compared to what you're
42:07
doing. But when you said instead of us being us versus them or me
42:12
versus you, I remember one of my clients was going through marriage counseling,
42:15
and she always had this thing that it was like the husband against the wife.
42:21
It was always like this him against her or him against her, and
42:23
the counselor finally was like, it's you guys together, a united force for
42:29
the family. And that changed the whole dynamics of the family. And I
42:32
know that that's a small part of it, but it actually is. If
42:36
everybody could be that way, if we could stop thinking about it's me against
42:39
you or us versus them, and it's a united force, that's what that's
42:45
what your peace acted, that's what you're trying to do. That's what you're
42:47
creating and you're just doing it at one so I could just call you Sam
42:51
Beckett, but you're doing it one person at a time, right, But
42:57
you are hitting the masses more and more so you are, and you're going
43:00
to all these places, which is beautiful. And you know what I've probably
43:05
I launched my tour last July ninth because that was the anniversary of the Russell
43:08
Einstein Manifesto, which was read in London in nineteen fifty five. It was
43:13
his last last manifesto and basically it was them urging world governments to make peace,
43:21
to solve their conflicts peacefully because World War III will destroy us all.
43:25
And that was nineteen fifty five, so he was like a psychic back then.
43:31
And then in nineteen ninety three when we started doing this, world peace
43:36
was kind of a sweet idea, but nobody really had any urgency about it.
43:39
But I'm telling you, since I started this tour in July, I've
43:43
been on I wouldn't say hundreds, but I've been on probably two or three
43:46
podcasts a week since then. And everybody wants to talk about this. Everybody
43:53
wants to know how can I help? That's what I was just going to
43:57
ask, how could my clients or my following, how could they help your
44:02
peace activists or how could they join what you're doing. I mean, I'm
44:06
going to leave all of your information in the show notes at the bottom of
44:08
the of the of these podcasts. But how if I want to just if
44:13
I was blown away by this and I wanted to join and help, what
44:15
could I do? Well? That's what Conflict Revolution is for, is that
44:20
I'm adding on asking people to do this. Not the byproduct will be world
44:29
peace. The purpose is for us to learn to love, to love ourselves
44:35
self love, and that alone will help your life to thrive, right because
44:43
it will help you to manifest what your dreams are, what what your purpose
44:46
is, what your intention is? Well, put you in alignment in that
44:50
frequency right, yes, yes, it align you to compassion. What did
44:53
we say? Okay? And what all I'm doing is asking people to remember
45:00
when you do this, whether it's with Conflict Revolution or like like your friend
45:05
or client who realized it can't be us versus them. It has to be
45:08
us together. Whether however you do it, remember that is part of creating
45:15
world peace. You are the microcosm of the macrocosm. And when you create
45:20
peace within yourself. You are doing your part and that's all you can do.
45:22
And it's a gracious plenty, right, And that's that's beautiful because I'm
45:28
yeah, so it's not like you have to go out and change the world.
45:30
You just have to change, well you don't. You just have to
45:32
be you. You have to resolve that conflict within you. And yeah,
45:37
it's and so that's how they can start, and that's yeah, absolutely read
45:42
your books or do the whatever you have that's available for them to participate in.
45:46
Correct. Yes, And and usually my readings are pretty in depth,
45:52
uh, with not just training people how to do this. So what are
45:57
you like what would your readings be like? Because like they're not like normal
46:00
mediumship readings like what I write, They're like different, Like, so what
46:02
are your readings intel? Well, generally we take a look at where you've
46:09
come, like what you what what you shaped you through your life to be
46:15
here? Do you do some dates on? Like so I have to ask
46:19
do you go into like past lives for that or do you just oh you
46:22
do and that's awesome, Okay, Okay, continue we do past lives and
46:28
then we talk about, uh, what is happening within these three human dimensions
46:35
of your system, and where the mind can in, the intellect can be
46:39
because the intellect is usually the dimension that we need the most alignment to because
46:45
intuition is never going to tell you wrong. Emotion is just what it is,
46:49
emotion. And then we look forward and while I've done really my big
46:55
fair share of predicting, it's really not my first four too. But we
47:00
do look into the future to see what's coming up to see and then they
47:06
give you really clear steps to be able to deal with whatever those things are.
47:13
Those things are, and how to you know, people, a lot
47:15
of people are trying to manifest things and they think, oh, if I
47:19
haven't manifested them, a failure. It's like no, no, no,
47:22
no, no no. Yeah. So when we get down to this really
47:24
microcosm of how you relate in and get this total control of this inner world,
47:32
then you begin to not only manifest what you dream of, but that
47:38
you learn to love what you have. You learn to appreciate that you're a
47:44
miracle sitting in a chair. No, I love that you say that,
47:46
because I tell my followers all the time. You know, the biggest secret
47:52
is to just have gratitude for where you're at like be in and now the
47:54
biggest thing, the biggest spiritual thing you can do right now is to be
47:59
grateful for the now, even if it seems like it's really sucky. It's
48:02
just be be happy with the now and then and then you'll it used to
48:07
open to all this possibility. And I think that that's so hard for us
48:10
sometimes, especially when we are in different emotions in grief or so that it's
48:15
cool that this will help resolve some of that. So you can sit in
48:19
that and be in that place. Because we've been told so much that you
48:23
know, depression and anxiety and there's something wrong with you and you gotta this
48:28
and that, we throw all that out the window and say, you know,
48:30
depression is an emotion, Anxiety is emotion. Don't connect it to any
48:35
thought, Honor it, love it, Breathe it through your body, spend
48:39
some time with it. Because it's a wave. It's going to dissipate at
48:44
some point. It feels like it's forever, but that's what your intellect tells
48:47
you. Yeah, that's what you're yep. And as somebody who I will
48:52
be uh sixty nine soon, I can look back at all of those things
48:59
that in the past, we're just shameful and horrible suffering, and I would
49:05
not trade one moment of anything that came my way and I've had. I
49:10
had a really, really tough upbringing that was associative, which gave me these
49:16
gifts helped me develop too. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah,
49:22
but I know when we're young, when we're younger and it's like, oh,
49:24
we're supposed to be doing this and we're that I'm going to be better,
49:28
it's like all this drive, well some of it for me is just
49:30
that when I get to this age, it's it's way different. You just
49:35
don't sweat the small stuff. But I've worked this process for so long that
49:38
I have gotten to this place, especially in the past few years, where
49:43
I've never gotten emotionally. I am so solid and so strong, like I've
49:47
never been in my home. It just doesn't emotionally affect you anymore. You
49:51
just it's yeah, it's like and part of it is that when you have
49:54
this operating system and you get triggered like what I do. I used to
50:00
have to you know, I get triggered, Well, she just treated me
50:02
so blah, and then I have to go through this and I got to
50:06
figure out that this, and now I just identify, oh wow, she's
50:10
being a real control freak. Okay, that's my cue. You cannot become
50:15
a control freak, and the control freak would be somebody focused on somebody else
50:20
and their control freakishness. So how are you gonna let go of her?
50:24
If that perception lens? Yes, yes, that, and so I do
50:29
it instantly. It's not always easy, no, but this is what you
50:32
kind of teach or kind of yes, yes that that it's easier to process
50:37
through or to get through. I think, well, that whole knowledge is
50:42
power. Once you know how to process it, then it's like, okay,
50:45
this is this is a little bit easier. Does that make sense?
50:50
That kind of way? It gets easier and easier, and then as you
50:52
do this you have many much less drama conflict that you're eating into. You
51:00
know, I don't have to go to her and go you know, you
51:01
were really a control freak last week, and it really hurt my feelings that
51:07
it's like, no, this is my cue for me to not be a
51:10
control freak, and how am I going to do that? What steps am
51:15
I going to take not to be a control freak? And then switches that
51:19
revolves the focus back to me and then with her. Well, if I
51:23
don't like that she's a control freak, how would I feel about me being
51:27
a control freak? Right? Right? And so it really reduces all that
51:31
conflict, which reduces the stress, which brings up the more peaceful aura around
51:39
us. So at a time, I get it. I love this.
51:44
I love this, Barbara. I was so glad that we talked about this,
51:46
And I am sure I have lots of followers who are going to be
51:51
like, where do I go? I would I'd love to talk to all
51:54
of you. I'd like to I'd like to talk to you again too,
51:58
you know, to go deeper into the process. Yeah, it's beautiful.
52:01
It's it's like a no brainer to me. It's like a okay, that's
52:06
where it starts. And I kind of always have like kind of somewhat thought
52:08
this or knew this or deep down new this. But when you like bring
52:13
it out into the open, it's more it's kind of more clear, do
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you know what I mean? Like, I will admit the science part of
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it to me is like but I feel like once you kind of do it
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and or you join your your readings or whatever you do, you'd understand it
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better. So, yeah, I think this is beautiful. I'm so glad
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you came. I'm and good luck with your your travels and all of your
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you know, the piece, the international piece thing that you're doing. I
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think it's I think it's beautiful and I can't wait you get in and get
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involved, and I'm actually gonna go get off here and go get a couple
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of your books. Good, good, good good. Yes, yes we
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need that too. So before we leave, though, is there any like
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one message that you would like to live, Like, one thing that you
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would like to leave with with my followers or my my listeners that just to
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like, you know, just that one thing that you could say to them.
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Well, I would say that emotion is so powerful, it is our
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passion, it is our foundation, and that if there's one thing I wish
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people would walk away from this interview thinking about, is how to detach that
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emotion from intellect, how to have that breath work, to feel it all
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and move it all, because you will see immediate results. The first time
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that the psychic soterer and I had a fight and we brought the transcript in
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and we had this miraculous outcome that we never imagined. I went to work
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that night. I was singing at this club in Minneapolis, and there was
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a waitress there who never said one word to me. She was just wouldn't
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say anything to me. She was just stuck up. And I walked in
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there that she could not speak. Hey, do you like Patti Smith.
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I've got some tapes you might like. She put a twenty in my tip
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jar. So I'm saying that when we change within, things naturally shift outside
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ourselves, sort of like you know, Jesus, you could touch the hem
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of his garment, then you'd be, I know, totally symbolic of that.
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So feel those feelings and then start to develop a witness so that when
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you're in line at the supermarket, or you're driving in the car and traffic
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and you don't have anything you have to be doing that you can get into
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your witness. See what you're thinking, because you'll be shocked to find out
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what you're really thinking, See what you're feeling, and then listen for that
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intuition, which is kind of hard, but you know, you begin to
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do it, and that's the beginning of conflict, revolution, world peace.
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One person at the time, starting with you. And the last thing I
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would just say is that, because I know I have clients I've been channeling
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for decades, people always come and go, well, what's my purpose?
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What am I supposed to be doing? Is if I'm supposed to be going,
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it's to learn to self love, period. And I say the same
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thing I think mine. I don't say self love, but it's the same
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thing. It's to be your authentic self to be and the only way you
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can do that is to self to love yourself who you are, not try
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and be who what everybody wants you to be. You have to be who
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you are. And then because the biggest question I get all the time too
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is how do I hear my intuition? And I think a lot of it
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is that inside being trusting yourself, loving yourself, being your authentic you,
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and it all begins there. And I get how if all of us have
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that, or all of us could find that, because I'm not saying then
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that would race that all the collective and it would It is, actually,
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yes, it is. And I of all these podcasts that I've been on,
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all of them, I'm so buoyed. And here's another one, you,
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Carrie, You're right there. You get it, and we're talking about
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it. We're generating the frequency and the vibration just by having these conversations.
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So for me, I love these conversations. I'm reaching little pods of people
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with every single one that I do. Ye and so we'll see, we'll
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see, I will see here this ahead doing this time. Good good.
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I love you, I thank you, love you, thank you for doing
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this. I just I think we're all just I just can't wait to see
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where all your little quantum leaps leave you. Yes, absolutely well, definitely
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have you on again. I think it's beautiful message. Let's do it.
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Let's do it. Okay, but good luck with everything, and thank ill
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we'll have you on again. Great, all right, thank you so much,
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thank you so much,