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INTERVIEW: 6lack Talks 'Love Is The New Gangsta,' Fatherhood & Love, Getting Into Music + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Every day up waiting ago, click your ass up the
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Speaker 2: breakfast club.
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Speaker 3: You don't finish for y'all done.
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Speaker 4: Morning.
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Speaker 5: Everybody is the j Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.
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Speaker 5: We are the breakfast club. Longla Roses here as well.
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Speaker 5: We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed
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Speaker 5: you got the brother Black.
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Speaker 4: How are you feeling, I'm feeling good.
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Speaker 3: Welcome.
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Speaker 5: This is the first time, right, yeah, first time welcome.
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Speaker 4: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: I've always been interested about your name, Okay, like, why
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Speaker 2: is it spelled with a sixth and not a beat?
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Speaker 4: A recurrent number in my life? Favorite number, life path number.
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Speaker 4: Born in June. I grew up in zone six, so
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Speaker 4: it was like favorite number. My uniform growing up when
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Speaker 4: I was going outside was all black, so I just
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Speaker 4: kind of put it together. Had the same name since
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Speaker 4: middle school.
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Speaker 3: Was you with you a cancer?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 3: What's your what's the day? Let me yes? Yes, June sixteen?
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Speaker 6: Wow, yes you lion Google?
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Speaker 4: Damn?
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Speaker 3: How did you?
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Speaker 1: What made you guess that?
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Speaker 6: By the five of the.
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Speaker 3: Music cancer, I get it.
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Speaker 2: I can tell whether somebody is July cancer, June cancer
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Speaker 2: around my day, which is June twenty ninth, so was
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Speaker 2: a factory.
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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, that is I believe.
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Speaker 6: I don't and you always say, you always say you're
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Speaker 6: clairvoyant avon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is it more emotions in the later June cancers or
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Speaker 1: very much like you know.
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Speaker 3: What there's between with June and July.
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Speaker 2: I could just tell, like y'all won't say, I think
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Speaker 2: June cancers are a little more emotionally intelligent person.
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Speaker 3: That's what I think.
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Speaker 5: Okay, let's let's start from me, if you I don't mind.
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Speaker 5: I just want to know how you got into music
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Speaker 5: originally from Maryland, Baltimore, Baltimore. You got right out of there,
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Speaker 5: that's right, got right out of there. And then so
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Speaker 5: what what got you into music?
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Speaker 4: My dad is a rapper, was a rapper, so my
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Speaker 4: first introduction of music was him just being in the studio.
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Speaker 4: What was his rap name, Ray Flow Ricardo Flow Flo
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Speaker 4: from Baltimore, from Altmore, you know, from Baltimore.
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Speaker 6: No, And I don't like how you said you got
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Speaker 6: right out of there too, Like he was there for
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Speaker 6: a little bit, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: You know it wasn't at my time, but he but
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Speaker 4: he uh, he wasn't like on the regular Baltimore rap scene.
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Speaker 4: He kind of grew into Christian rap, so he I
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Speaker 4: watched him just development that way. But my inspiration from it,
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Speaker 4: I felt like was a little more self sufficient. Like
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Speaker 4: at the point where you know, they separated my mom
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Speaker 4: and my dad, I spent a lot of time in
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Speaker 4: my room, a lot of time on the computer, and
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Speaker 4: it just kind of grew from poetry and elementary school
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Speaker 4: to battle rap in middle school, to song right in
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Speaker 4: high school and then yeah, I just kept on was
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Speaker 4: the separation? What made you?
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Speaker 5: You say you stayed in your room by yourself a
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Speaker 5: lot with that separation.
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Speaker 4: No, I didn't care that much like.
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Speaker 3: Dad together.
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Speaker 4: You see two people just like y'all, y'all love each other,
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Speaker 4: but y'all don't like necessarily go together like that. And
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Speaker 4: I would rather just be a healthy situation than something
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Speaker 4: where two people are stressed out. So by the time
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Speaker 4: they told us and like broke the news, we were like,
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Speaker 4: of course, y'all get indoors.
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Speaker 3: Like you do already. Yeah, Mom, don't really mess with dad. Dad,
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Speaker 3: I don't really messy.
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Speaker 4: But now they're cool, like they love each other, they
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Speaker 4: could be in the same room, and I think it
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Speaker 4: was just necessary sometimes you don't have to be with
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Speaker 4: the person that you have kids with.
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Speaker 2: Well that's your first example of uh, I guess love
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Speaker 2: and then heartbreak and yeah everything that comes with it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I think sometimes too, parents don't really realize
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Speaker 4: how observant kids are. And I was definitely taken in
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Speaker 4: everything and learning a lot of what to do and
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Speaker 4: a lot of what not to do.
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Speaker 3: Is that why your music feels like therapy sessions?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, I don't think I can have it any
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Speaker 4: other way.
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Speaker 3: You do you make records to heal yourself or to
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Speaker 3: help other people?
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Speaker 4: Here, I think a little bit of both, like a
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Speaker 4: lot of times, and my songs I do feel like
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Speaker 4: I'm talking to myself and I'm like working through issues
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Speaker 4: that are current in my life or from the past
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Speaker 4: two and then also I just feel like my purpose
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Speaker 4: in life is about more than just myself, So like
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Speaker 4: the music I make definitely services people who can relate, resonate,
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Speaker 4: go through the same things.
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Speaker 5: Do you like the being the ardest part of it
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Speaker 5: because you're Grammy nominated, billions of streams, but with all that,
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Speaker 5: you're still low key?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Do you like being an artist where out there? Because
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Speaker 5: it's like finding pictures of black is difficult good.
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Speaker 4: Now. Honestly, it's always gonna be like fifty fifty with me,
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Speaker 4: Like it's the coolest job I could ever have. I
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Speaker 4: would never have it any other way. I understand what
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Speaker 4: comes with it. I grew from no Internet to social
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Speaker 4: media to seeing what it is now, so I've been
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Speaker 4: able to have every version of it to understand it.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I like my privacy. I like being out
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Speaker 4: the way. I don't like being in no drama. My
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Speaker 4: business is not everybody business. Unless I put it on wax,
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Speaker 4: then you know it is what it is. But other
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Speaker 4: than that, yeah, it's a half and half. I'm lucky
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Speaker 4: to have like good folks around me, whether it be
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Speaker 4: management label that, It's just always felt like family and
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to always be like that.
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Speaker 2: I've heard people describe it, I want the ladies in
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Speaker 2: the room, the chiming on this. I've heard people describe
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Speaker 2: your music is toxic.
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Speaker 3: Honesty.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but I think you you save yourself from us
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Speaker 1: leaning too much on the toxic because you always come
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Speaker 1: back around and be accountable of like this is what
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Speaker 1: I was doing, and that's very prevalent on this project.
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Speaker 4: Yeah too. Yeah, it was a maturity thing. Like the
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Speaker 4: first album I would say was more on the side
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Speaker 4: of like still figuring out accountability. It was just like
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Speaker 4: you lazy and I don't like this and we don't
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Speaker 4: go together, and you did this to me. And as
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Speaker 4: the projects have like kind of progressed, it's like I'm
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Speaker 4: seeing more and more of like what I did and
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Speaker 4: what I didn't do. It's like, Okay, you had a
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Speaker 4: lot to work on. You were in denial about a lot,
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Speaker 4: you were deflecting a lot, and you just didn't have
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Speaker 4: it figured out like the way you might have thought
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Speaker 4: you had it figured out.
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Speaker 1: In the moment on Bird Flu you talk about like
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Speaker 1: gr evolution from a boy to a man, right, And
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Speaker 1: I saw you on Effective immediately with Gena Fus and
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Speaker 1: DJ Head talking about how you are in your relationship
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Speaker 1: now versus how you were in your old relationship. What
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Speaker 1: was the like come to Jesus moment for you to
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Speaker 1: be like, ah, it's me, I'm messing.
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Speaker 4: Up here learning the same lesson over and over and
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Speaker 4: over and over. It could be something as simple as
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Speaker 4: like communication issues, like me when I was going through
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Speaker 4: my career and my life changing and having a kid
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Speaker 4: and like just dealing with everything that I have to
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Speaker 4: deal with being a provider, Like I just got in
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Speaker 4: my head about it, and I would have moments where
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Speaker 4: it would be a conversation that I need to talk
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Speaker 4: about and I would just be like, you know, today's
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Speaker 4: not a good day. Let me wait till tomorrow. And
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Speaker 4: then tomorrow comes, You're like, I don't want to run breakfast,
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Speaker 4: let me just wait till dinner, and then dinner coming,
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Speaker 4: You're just like you know, and you put it off
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Speaker 4: until it like continues to grow into a bigger issue,
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Speaker 4: and then when somebody else has to bring it up,
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Speaker 4: it's just like I lost. Now, like I can't, I
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Speaker 4: can't win the argument. I can't the battle's lost. So
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Speaker 4: I think having to learn that lesson like I kid
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Speaker 4: you not maybe one hundred plus times, and dealing with
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Speaker 4: somebody who's sharp and aware and patient but still just
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Speaker 4: like gonna call me out any time they need to
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Speaker 4: call me out. That those were my moments of just like,
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Speaker 4: if you don't get it together, bro, you're gonna lose
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Speaker 4: everything you worked for and for me, I was just family.
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Speaker 2: As your therapist ever told you how not to even
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Speaker 2: bring it up at all. What you mean just in general,
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Speaker 2: like when you want to it's how you said you
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Speaker 2: was waiting to get breakfast dinner.
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Speaker 3: What about not bringing it up at all.
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Speaker 4: That's that's my that was my forte unfortunately for a while.
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Speaker 3: And oh you had Okay, I get it. You had
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Speaker 3: because you weren't saying yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to
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Speaker 3: shut up.
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Speaker 4: Yeah nah, that's that wasn't me. Yeah, I didn't have
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Speaker 4: no issue with that. A it was way opposite for me.
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Speaker 4: Like again, I can just be I can really be
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Speaker 4: in my head about a situation and think that I'm
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Speaker 4: figuring it out or think that I'm working towards it
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Speaker 4: and then yes, next thing, you know, six months later
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Speaker 4: and she's just like, well, what happened on this day
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Speaker 4: when you wasn't feeling this way and you didn't say
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Speaker 4: this to me? And like now I know it's something,
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Speaker 4: but it deflecting or was it the fact that you
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Speaker 4: just did not want the beef the wall? It's a
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Speaker 4: little bit of everything, Like I was definitely deflecting a lot,
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Speaker 4: Like especially when you are kind of like the head
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Speaker 4: and most of your situations like the leader or the
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Speaker 4: boss or whatever, like it's natural to feel like I
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Speaker 4: have everything under control, and when somebody can like see
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Speaker 4: you and say, you know, I see you slipping right there,
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Speaker 4: or that person ain't good for you, or this the
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Speaker 4: situation ain't right. It was almost like a reflex for
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Speaker 4: me to just be like what youre talking about, like
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Speaker 4: I know this person since middle school, Like they would
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Speaker 4: never have my worse interests at harder, like you could
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Speaker 4: trust me versus listening to somebody who in the moment
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Speaker 4: mighta knew more than I knew.
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Speaker 6: Why the name love is the new gangsters? And I agree, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: but like I want to hear your reason.
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Speaker 4: It's not a new concept. It's not new under the sun.
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Speaker 4: I feel like we've heard it a lot growing up,
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Speaker 4: and I think it's just nice to reiterate that love
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Speaker 4: can be at the core of everything that we do.
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Speaker 4: We grow up learning that certain things against it, but
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Speaker 4: as you mature, you know, taking care of your family,
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Speaker 4: being there for your folks, having hard conversations, being embedded
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Speaker 4: in your community, like these are the things that you
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Speaker 4: grow to understand are actually cool and actually gangst it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you're saying emotional intelligence. It's harder
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Speaker 2: than pretending not to care.
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Speaker 6: That was at the point, yeah, ess, okay, yep, I
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Speaker 6: already have a couple favorite bops or whatever. I like
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Speaker 6: all that matters with Leona. How did that come about?
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Speaker 6: I thought that was very dope.
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Speaker 4: I've been in LA for a minute and I was
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Speaker 4: moving around, like working on this album, thinking like, I
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Speaker 4: don't have a song that feels like I live out
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Speaker 4: here yet, so I just wanted to capture that feeling
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Speaker 4: of just being out on the West Coast. We started
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Speaker 4: in the studio with my homie Smiley, and yeah, we
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Speaker 4: just built like a baseline that felt really good, and
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Speaker 4: I did the first verse in a chorus and then
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Speaker 4: I stopped. And normally, like when I'm writing music, if
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Speaker 4: I stopped after the first verse and the chorus, that
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Speaker 4: just means like it's time for somebody else, yeah, to
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Speaker 4: come into the picture. So I listened to it for
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Speaker 4: a few weeks. I thought of somebody from LA and
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Speaker 4: track popped up because of the pop out and just
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Speaker 4: like the few moments that he've had where I just
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Speaker 4: I like his tone. I like the clarity and how
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Speaker 4: he raps, I like how regional it feels and it sounds.
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Speaker 4: And then at the end, yeah, Leone, I just needed
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Speaker 4: that extra sauce on top.
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Speaker 6: And that's what it was, the extra sauce. And then
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Speaker 6: on the song Trauma, that also stuck out to me
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Speaker 6: as well. I love the message in it because you're saying,
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Speaker 6: I can't let this trauma get to my daughter. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: but I also have trauma from my mom. I got
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Speaker 6: trauma from my dad, you know what I mean? Like,
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Speaker 6: are you was that song difficult to write? Because it
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Speaker 6: is it is a beautiful message that you don't want
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Speaker 6: the trauma to get to your daughter, but at the
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Speaker 6: same time, it seems like you're still dealing with Yeah,
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Speaker 6: because you also say you've been holding it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it was difficult to write,
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Speaker 4: but it was. It just it did take a moment
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Speaker 4: for me to like wrap my head around it.
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Speaker 3: Like that.
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Speaker 4: I wrote that song like right after my grandmother, my
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Speaker 4: mom's mom passed, and I was like the first time
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Speaker 4: that I went back to the studio and you just
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Speaker 4: had to like unpack, like to see my mom go
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Speaker 4: through that and to know, like this ain't really something
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Speaker 4: that you get over. And so also like my own
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Speaker 4: relationship with my grandmother, it was just kind of strained
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Speaker 4: because I was in Atlanta. She was in Baltimore. She
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Speaker 4: has substance abuse and just like things that she was
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Speaker 4: dealing with and struggling with. So trauma was just me
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Speaker 4: kind of looking at everything in my life and thinking
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Speaker 4: like I got to be super responsible for my stuff
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Speaker 4: because if it leaks over into my kids, like that's
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Speaker 4: that's just unacceptable. So it's just like work on it
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Speaker 4: so that the babies don't have to deal with You.
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Speaker 1: Took a lot of time in between your like last
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Speaker 1: like official album and this release. Was that what you
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Speaker 1: were doing, like dealing with the trauma. I know you
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Speaker 1: also had your.
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Speaker 4: A psycond daughter, Like what, yeah, what were you?
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Speaker 1: What was personally happening for a black during that time?
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Speaker 4: Everything that could have happened happened during this gap for sure.
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Speaker 4: So I felt like my relationship was on the rocks
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Speaker 4: at one point because I just couldn't get it together
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Speaker 4: as far as just my communication. The fires in LA happened,
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Speaker 4: so my partner, her family lost their home, my grandmother passed,
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Speaker 4: I had a baby on the way, and I needed
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Speaker 4: to get an album done. So it was just like
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Speaker 4: it was like everything was happening that once, and I
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Speaker 4: was really trying to figure out like how do I
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Speaker 4: process this, how do I like finally learn how to
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Speaker 4: talk through it, and how will I make an album?
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Speaker 4: You know, considering like how stressful it might feel right now.
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Speaker 4: And that was honestly me going back to Atlanta, connecting
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Speaker 4: with Childish Major, who I've known since like twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 4: and treating my studio sessions more like men group therapy sessions,
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Speaker 4: like come in talk for at least an hour an
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Speaker 4: hour and a half about what's going on, how you feel,
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Speaker 4: what you like, what you don't like, what you did wrong,
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Speaker 4: what you can relate on, And that helped me figure
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Speaker 4: out like what type of album I wanted to make?
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Speaker 3: See what do you think? What do you think men
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Speaker 3: still lie to themselves about emotionally?
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Speaker 4: Hmm? What do men lie to themselves about emotionally? I
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Speaker 4: think just the the the premise of just like I'm good,
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Speaker 4: like everything is good or everything is going to be
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Speaker 4: all right. I think sometimes it's nice to just like
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Speaker 4: admit when it's not good, and admit when you when
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Speaker 4: things are a little bit like more than you can handle,
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Speaker 4: and at least like say it to the folks that
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Speaker 4: are around you. Because I do feel like sometimes we
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Speaker 4: have just like base level relationships with our guy friends,
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Speaker 4: and we can joke and be in a group chat
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Speaker 4: and we can like talk about anything, but when it
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Speaker 4: comes to like digging deep, you know, it's more just like,
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Speaker 4: you know, I'll high at y'all later, or I'm gonna
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Speaker 4: be straight, or don't worry about me. So I think,
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Speaker 4: you know, we also lie about the relationships that we
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Speaker 4: have with our our guys, and there's just a lot
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Speaker 4: more room for growth in that area. And this process
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Speaker 4: of making this album, I felt like I had to
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Speaker 4: kind of reset and cut a lot of folks off
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Speaker 4: and just be like, look, you know, you can live
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Speaker 4: whatever life you want to live, but I need folks
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Speaker 4: that truly have my best interests at heart and won't
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Speaker 4: put me in no compromising situations and don't have me
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Speaker 4: like looking over my shoulder. So you know, if we
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Speaker 4: aren't maturing at the same right, then you know, I
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Speaker 4: love you, but I gotta go.
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Speaker 5: It feels like you have it's easier for you to
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Speaker 5: talk through your music than to actually have those conversations
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Speaker 5: in person. Yeah all the way, how are you getting
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Speaker 5: through that now? Because I mean that all ruin a relationship,
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Speaker 5: right if you can't have those conversations. And for myself
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Speaker 5: that was difficult because it's like to face the bullshit
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Speaker 5: that you did.
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Speaker 4: It's difficult now that that was also my bread and butter.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, I could put it in the song all day.
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Speaker 4: I could write it, bridget chorus, hit versuit, whatever. And
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Speaker 4: I also kind of developed this mindset of thinking because
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Speaker 4: I expressed it that somehow, you know, like because I
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Speaker 4: put it on wax, like you know what I was
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Speaker 4: going through or you know what I was thinking, or
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Speaker 4: you know what happened. And just like I'm not checking
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Speaker 4: for your music to be listening or hitting clue, like
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Speaker 4: just tell me what's up. Like that could be about me,
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Speaker 4: that could be about anybody. And I just had to
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Speaker 4: like kind of break out of that where I'm just
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Speaker 4: bearing everything on track and then we kind of sitting
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Speaker 4: and we just watching TV. It's just like, come on,
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Speaker 4: how did you break out of it? She just don't
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Speaker 4: play bro, You don't play like And it sucks to say,
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Speaker 4: I don't know how long it would have taken, you know,
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Speaker 4: without her being present, but it really took somebody just
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Speaker 4: checking me as many times as day. You know, we're
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Speaker 4: willing to check me, and it's just it's it humbles
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Speaker 4: you for somebody to let you know, like you're not
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Speaker 4: cute to me right now, like I'm not. I don't
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Speaker 4: want to kick it with you. I don't want to
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Speaker 4: go nowhere with you. I don't want to do nothing
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Speaker 4: with you until we figure out what this feeling is.
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Speaker 3: That's to keep it.
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Speaker 2: That just making emotional music of a reopen wounds you
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Speaker 2: were trying to close.
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Speaker 4: Not for me, no, not necessarily anymore. I think like
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Speaker 4: once I start to to just put it out, I'm
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Speaker 4: okay with it, Like I'm cool with like performing songs
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Speaker 4: like Problems and Asks Falling, like some of my first songs,
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Speaker 4: And I think somebody had asked me to just like
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Speaker 4: how does it feel performing those and do you know
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Speaker 4: not want to perform sometimes? And I'm just like, no,
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Speaker 4: it happened. I needed to go through it. I had
15:14
Speaker 4: to learn everything I needed to learn, and like I'm straight,
15:16
Speaker 4: like it's it's cool to get it out, like the
15:19
Speaker 4: music portion of it, in the songwriting portion of it.
15:21
Speaker 4: For me, it's just that's my that's my form of expression,
15:25
Speaker 4: So I like it.
15:26
Speaker 1: I know she's also an artist too, but does it
15:28
Speaker 1: open anything for her, because there are some lines on
15:30
Speaker 1: the song where I was like, ooh, I don't know
15:32
Speaker 1: if that maybe caused the conversation, Like you talk about
15:34
Speaker 1: talking to a stranger, yeah at one point, because at
15:37
Speaker 1: that time you just needed somebody to talk to, and
15:38
Speaker 1: that was your mistake for even doing that. I'm like,
15:40
Speaker 1: as a as a girlfriend, I would feel like, well,
15:43
Speaker 1: why we got to bring that back up?
15:44
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, but that's that's the thing too. I
15:46
Speaker 4: think like when two people do the same thing. It's
15:49
Speaker 4: been a nice balance for me to figure out. And
15:52
Speaker 4: I in the beginning was a little bit just just
15:57
Speaker 4: not accountable for what she might feel or not what's
16:02
Speaker 4: the word. I just I just wasn't aware. And since,
16:08
Speaker 4: like this album and the last album, like the one
16:10
Speaker 4: I did before this too, it's been nice to just
16:11
Speaker 4: have combos. Like before I even went on press runs
16:14
Speaker 4: and did anything, I was just like, what's off limits?
16:17
Speaker 4: You know, what's okay to talk about? You know, is
16:19
Speaker 4: how honest you know, can I be? What business of
16:22
Speaker 4: ours is everybody else's business? And just kind of walking
16:25
Speaker 4: her through like how I am going to answer something,
16:28
Speaker 4: and you know, we had a comble about it. She
16:30
Speaker 4: just said, look, as long as you don't feel embarrassed
16:33
Speaker 4: and you aren't embarrassing me and you know, speaking truth.
16:37
Speaker 3: Just psychedelics help.
16:40
Speaker 4: Honestly, It's not like a go to, but it has
16:44
Speaker 4: like just in my own world, in my own thing.
16:46
Speaker 4: Like I've had a couple of moments where I've gone
16:48
Speaker 4: and done some medicine and like taking care of myself
16:51
Speaker 4: in that way, only like two or three times. But yeah, ushrooms,
16:56
Speaker 4: I wasch I've done before, mushrooms. I don't really care
16:59
Speaker 4: for too much. LSD I've done before too. I think
17:03
Speaker 4: LSD and iaquasc are like similar, but aauasca is more
17:06
Speaker 4: like natural. Yeah, this is like the real deal.
17:09
Speaker 3: I've only done it once.
17:10
Speaker 4: YEA is beautiful, it's crazy, it's it's everything wrapped in
17:14
Speaker 4: And I think ls is just like it could be
17:16
Speaker 4: for fun.
17:16
Speaker 3: I don't want to do LSD.
17:17
Speaker 2: I've done I three times, but it was all in
17:19
Speaker 2: one yeah session, so it was like three different three
17:22
Speaker 2: consecutive days.
17:22
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think LSD is like getting straight to the
17:24
Speaker 4: fun part of it is like gonna take.
17:26
Speaker 2: You back, going to put that trauma on the table and.
17:31
Speaker 3: Make you face it at all.
17:33
Speaker 4: It was like the Matrix when like the file cabinets
17:35
Speaker 4: just like flysh you and it's like, yeah, we're about
17:37
Speaker 4: to get into everything.
17:39
Speaker 3: The reason I ask because of the songs from Chocolate.
17:41
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
17:44
Speaker 3: On yourself.
17:45
Speaker 6: Going back to what MB said, it seems like you do.
17:48
Speaker 6: It's easier for you to express yourself through your music.
17:51
Speaker 6: And just having a conversation on running late, you said,
17:54
Speaker 6: I know I'm overdue for a crime, Like is that?
17:59
Speaker 1: Like?
17:59
Speaker 6: How often do you cry and what would you be
18:01
Speaker 6: crying about?
18:01
Speaker 4: I'm happy I cried last night. It was nice. Yeah,
18:04
Speaker 4: I did a show out here and I got a
18:06
Speaker 4: song on the basically the Deluxe version of the project
18:10
Speaker 4: with Trouble from Atlanta who passed away, and yeah, I
18:14
Speaker 4: just had a moment to myself last night. It sucks
18:17
Speaker 4: to lose somebody over something like just ridiculous, and yeah,
18:21
Speaker 4: I need to cry a lot more. That's kind of
18:24
Speaker 4: popped up in conversations and arguments too. Sometimes you just
18:26
Speaker 4: be like, I don't know what you feel like you
18:28
Speaker 4: need to give me a little bit more. So it
18:31
Speaker 4: takes a lot. But also I think that's just from
18:33
Speaker 4: years and years of just being guarded and like having
18:35
Speaker 4: to figure out how to break that down and just
18:38
Speaker 4: kind of let go a little bit.
18:40
Speaker 6: Is music well doing music therapy for you? Because I
18:43
Speaker 6: feel like definitely your therapy.
18:45
Speaker 4: All day every day. Yep.
18:47
Speaker 2: Do you do you think people in the industry treat
18:50
Speaker 2: vulnerability like a weakness?
18:52
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I mean I think just in in yeah,
18:57
Speaker 4: in society in general, like and mentor like. It's it's
19:00
Speaker 4: just vulnerability is not promoted. It's not taught to us.
19:04
Speaker 4: It's not like I didn't have a mentor that was
19:07
Speaker 4: just like, you know, it's cool to bear everything. It's
19:09
Speaker 4: cool to cry if you need to cry, It's cool
19:10
Speaker 4: to not have it figured out. And now I'm at
19:13
Speaker 4: this point in my life where I'm thirty three, but
19:15
Speaker 4: like I still have found value in like seeking mentors
19:18
Speaker 4: at this age to I'm just like I want to
19:19
Speaker 4: be around folks who know more than I know so
19:21
Speaker 4: I can like soak up something.
19:22
Speaker 3: And when do you get to that? Kill you? Thirty three?
19:25
Speaker 4: Man?
19:26
Speaker 3: I got I thought thirty three old till I turned
19:28
Speaker 3: forty seven.
19:29
Speaker 4: Yeah about say ye bout thirty three. My mom had
19:31
Speaker 4: all three of us and had like her job was
19:33
Speaker 4: her job and that was it.
19:34
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was gonna ask me, you know what, she
19:37
Speaker 5: mentioned a cry? When did you get to the point
19:39
Speaker 5: where you felt like it was okay to be that
19:41
Speaker 5: vulnerable right where you could talk about crying and you
19:43
Speaker 5: don't care that if people make funny you don't care
19:45
Speaker 5: about what they say. If I cry here, he gonna
19:47
Speaker 5: be like this bitch ass.
19:52
Speaker 4: Life.
19:53
Speaker 3: Just in my line, I wouldn't.
19:54
Speaker 6: It depends on what you're crying about, Like he not
19:57
Speaker 6: going to just be like, he's not gonna care because
19:59
Speaker 6: he I cry a lot.
20:01
Speaker 3: I'm a laugh. When did you get that vulnerable? Because the.
20:26
Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like it was with my daughters, like
20:28
Speaker 4: once I had my firstborn and with this new baby,
20:31
Speaker 4: like the time in between those uh just I don't know,
20:35
Speaker 4: it just opened me up more. It made me a
20:37
Speaker 4: lot softer, and it made me a lot more honest.
20:42
Speaker 4: And also just like for the beginning of my career,
20:45
Speaker 4: like missing out on a bunch with my firstborn, Like
20:47
Speaker 4: even though I was a present father, providing doing as
20:48
Speaker 4: much as I can, it was some moments that I
20:51
Speaker 4: just won't ever get back. And it was some moments
20:53
Speaker 4: when I was on stage on the road to where
20:55
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of coasting, you know, thinking that it's
20:57
Speaker 4: cool or that it'll be cool because it's you know,
20:59
Speaker 4: it's all funny when we see each other. But truthfully,
21:01
Speaker 4: like I'm reintroducing myself to my kid every single time
21:04
Speaker 4: I come back home, and that started to like chip
21:07
Speaker 4: away at me until I just finally found a way
21:10
Speaker 4: to talk about it and admit that it was something
21:12
Speaker 4: that kind of broke my heart. It was just like,
21:14
Speaker 4: you know, I know she's happy. I know we have
21:15
Speaker 4: a great relationship. She's a great kid. Like nothing is
21:19
Speaker 4: wrong right now, but I went through something that I
21:21
Speaker 4: didn't know how to communicate, and once I was able
21:23
Speaker 4: to say, like that messed me up. Like that's when
21:26
Speaker 4: I think it started to just like fix everything else.
21:28
Speaker 2: You know, that's one of the hardest things it takes
21:31
Speaker 2: for men to do, is just to simply say that
21:33
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings.
21:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, that hurt my feelings, bro, Like that really hurt
21:37
Speaker 4: my feelings. Bro. Like again, like just seeing a kid
21:40
Speaker 4: and like watching them like figure you out and obviously
21:43
Speaker 4: they know who you are, but get familiar with you.
21:46
Speaker 4: Every time I was just like on the outside, I
21:48
Speaker 4: was cool, but on the inside, I'm just like bro,
21:50
Speaker 4: I could literally break down right now because here I
21:52
Speaker 4: am two months later, you know, trying to figure it
21:55
Speaker 4: out or like you know, be a dad and take
21:57
Speaker 4: her somewhere fun and like be the fun pay And
22:00
Speaker 4: it's like I'm trying my best to fill these these spaces.
22:03
Speaker 4: But yeah, it just it hurts. It hurts.
22:05
Speaker 2: Why do you think vulnerability scares men more than even violence?
22:11
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, because vulnerability has been dubbed as something that
22:17
Speaker 4: is like synonymous to weakness, and violence is synonymous to
22:21
Speaker 4: being strong.
22:24
Speaker 2: And and a lot of people are front that they
22:26
Speaker 2: are violent, are front that they you know, are tough
22:29
Speaker 2: for hard to avoid just being inorn.
22:32
Speaker 4: YEA, yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
22:34
Speaker 6: What's the significance on the song story is Mine?
22:37
Speaker 4: A story of mine is me just saying, like everything
22:39
Speaker 4: that I've gone through, no matter how crazy it is
22:41
Speaker 4: or how specific to me it might feel, these are
22:45
Speaker 4: stories that we all share. These are things that we
22:47
Speaker 4: all go through. You're not the only person that's had
22:49
Speaker 4: to go through trauma, the person that's had to lose
22:51
Speaker 4: a grandparent, a parent, a relationship that you cared about,
22:56
Speaker 4: a friend, like, we all share the same stories. And
22:59
Speaker 4: that was just me summarizing the project and saying, through
23:02
Speaker 4: all these emotions and through all the stuff that I've
23:04
Speaker 4: gone through, like at the end of the day, my
23:05
Speaker 4: story is pretty much everybody else's story.
23:08
Speaker 1: What going back to the conversation about your first daughter,
23:12
Speaker 1: what conversations did you have with her mom once you
23:14
Speaker 1: got to this point of realizing, like, Okay, there's moments
23:18
Speaker 1: I missed and how I felt and kind of like
23:19
Speaker 1: I guess figuring out how she felt through those moments
23:22
Speaker 1: to make it where now y'all as co parents, you know,
23:24
Speaker 1: are able to like everything cohesive and you know, kind
23:27
Speaker 1: of get past that emotional stage that.
23:29
Speaker 4: Came in waves, and it came in like fractions. It
23:31
Speaker 4: wasn't like an upfront conversation. It was just something over time,
23:35
Speaker 4: Like in the beginning, I had to find the balance
23:37
Speaker 4: of like, this isn't the person who I'm going to
23:40
Speaker 4: be with for the rest of my life, and my
23:42
Speaker 4: life is changing at the same exact time, so the
23:44
Speaker 4: timing looks a little weird. It's like you get to
23:47
Speaker 4: go and like travel the world and do this and
23:49
Speaker 4: like be in a relationship, and I gotta be here
23:51
Speaker 4: and like take care of the baby, and I think
23:54
Speaker 4: initially like it would come out in normal ways, just
23:57
Speaker 4: like you know, she missed you, you know, you need
23:58
Speaker 4: to figure out some time to see And yeah, it
24:02
Speaker 4: was it was just never we never had to sit
24:04
Speaker 4: down in the beginning, because again, I was trying to
24:06
Speaker 4: figure out, like, how do I draw boundary with somebody
24:09
Speaker 4: who I've had just issues with, just you know, from
24:11
Speaker 4: I am from her and like standing on what we
24:14
Speaker 4: say and not like going back and forth for swaying
24:16
Speaker 4: or just lying to each other. And yeah, and how
24:19
Speaker 4: do I continue to show up as a father? So
24:21
Speaker 4: I had to find that balance and it took literally
24:25
Speaker 4: up until like it took like six years to truly
24:28
Speaker 4: get it down to where you have a commo and
24:30
Speaker 4: you just like, look everything that's happened before, Like if
24:33
Speaker 4: it's not about her, it's that if you slipping or
24:36
Speaker 4: you say anything weird, I'm gonna tell your folks. If
24:39
Speaker 4: I do anything weird, you could tell my folks. Like
24:42
Speaker 4: now we just need to like make sure none of
24:43
Speaker 4: it gets to her at all.
24:44
Speaker 2: As becoming a father changed your relationship with love and
24:47
Speaker 2: emotional availability.
24:49
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. Yeah, I think more than anything, it's
24:50
Speaker 4: just being an honest person, like if you live a
24:53
Speaker 4: dishonest life, then you will have to explain things to
24:55
Speaker 4: your kids that kids just shouldn't have to process. So yeah,
24:59
Speaker 4: it definitely makes me know that I needed to be
25:01
Speaker 4: more honest, and especially with my first but the ten
25:04
Speaker 4: month old that I have now is just like it's
25:06
Speaker 4: another stamp to where it's just like you've had ample
25:09
Speaker 4: amount of time too just to not have to lie
25:12
Speaker 4: about like silly things. And if that's at the expense
25:15
Speaker 4: of like losing you know, your relationship, then at least
25:17
Speaker 4: you're telling the truth. At least you're not you know,
25:19
Speaker 4: like leading somebody on or god'slighting nobody. Like, just just
25:22
Speaker 4: be honest and whatever the consequences are, like, just be
25:25
Speaker 4: okay with it.
25:26
Speaker 6: Speaking of waves, you just said waves, that is one
25:29
Speaker 6: feature I think you killed with you on on mining.
25:31
Speaker 6: That is no feature that you don't kill. Blinking, Yo,
25:33
Speaker 6: that is my ship.
25:34
Speaker 4: Thank you.
25:36
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask you said, I feel like I
25:39
Speaker 5: was in over my head for a minute.
25:41
Speaker 3: What were you talking about?
25:42
Speaker 5: You feel like you wasn't deserving that you weren't At
25:45
Speaker 5: the same point, what what were you feeling that?
25:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a lot of insecurities about like I said,
25:50
Speaker 4: my just my my role as a father, and my
25:53
Speaker 4: role as a provider, and my role as a co parent.
25:58
Speaker 4: I felt like the industry and you know, just like
26:02
Speaker 4: trying to be the artist I want to be, but
26:04
Speaker 4: also like remembering that this is a game in a sense,
26:07
Speaker 4: and I have to like make sure that I'm up
26:09
Speaker 4: to date and I'm like doing what I need to
26:10
Speaker 4: do to sustain and yeah, just every like intricate personal
26:16
Speaker 4: thing that was happening in my bubble. At for a minute,
26:18
Speaker 4: I just felt like I was just drowning and everything
26:22
Speaker 4: and making it seem like, you know, I was just
26:26
Speaker 4: acing it. And it can look that way too, you know,
26:29
Speaker 4: when you're on stage and the shows are sold out
26:32
Speaker 4: and the money's rolling in, but you still are you know,
26:35
Speaker 4: missing something or not happy or frustrated or depressed. So yeah,
26:39
Speaker 4: I just felt like I was submerged in my life
26:42
Speaker 4: and my career and now I'm at the part where
26:45
Speaker 4: I'm just like, all right, well you started it, so
26:47
Speaker 4: now you need to like truly finish it in a
26:49
Speaker 4: way that you can enjoy.
26:50
Speaker 5: So how was you at, you know, as a boyfriend,
26:52
Speaker 5: because it says, you know, you feel like he was
26:53
Speaker 5: in over my head. Usually when a man feels that way,
26:57
Speaker 5: they're more controlling, they're more using money.
27:01
Speaker 4: As the power, using a child as a power. Were
27:03
Speaker 4: you like that as a as a No, I feel
27:06
Speaker 4: like mine was more of the opposite. I'm so easy
27:11
Speaker 4: going and I can like adjust to anything, and I
27:14
Speaker 4: in those moments back then, would avoid conflict almost at
27:17
Speaker 4: any costs. So I was more so just like playing
27:20
Speaker 4: just the back and letting things happen and letting folks
27:23
Speaker 4: get over every now and then, or like watching somebody
27:26
Speaker 4: make a mistake versus just checking it when it happened.
27:29
Speaker 4: And again, when you got somebody that is just sharper
27:32
Speaker 4: than you are, they like, I'm why do you need
27:34
Speaker 4: to figure it out? Like I just told you she's
27:36
Speaker 4: no good and yeah that you know, I was like
27:40
Speaker 4: just letting things happen.
27:41
Speaker 3: Around the name of that song is wifey baby mama. Yeah,
27:44
Speaker 3: what the hell is the wife?
27:46
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's I mean, I feel like baby mama just
27:48
Speaker 4: has a negative connotation around it sometimes. And I have
27:52
Speaker 4: two kids now, two different baby moms. But I know
27:54
Speaker 4: who I'm with right now is the person that I
27:56
Speaker 4: want to be with for the rest of my life.
27:57
Speaker 4: But also I don't feel like I'm like Russian by
28:00
Speaker 4: any like societal standards of like, well you're together and
28:02
Speaker 4: you had the kids, so you need to get married
28:04
Speaker 4: right now, or da da da da. It's just more
28:07
Speaker 4: like I want to make sure when I propose to
28:09
Speaker 4: you that is such an undeniable yes, that we have
28:12
Speaker 4: talked through everything, work through everything, you know, and nothing
28:16
Speaker 4: unnecessary has to come up later on, Like let's handle
28:18
Speaker 4: the work first, and let's make it so that, you know,
28:20
Speaker 4: when we have our wedding, our baby can be there
28:22
Speaker 4: and it can be a beautiful moment, she can be
28:24
Speaker 4: the flower girl, and it doesn't have to feel like we,
28:27
Speaker 4: you know, didn't do anything the right way.
28:29
Speaker 3: You know, the work never stopped.
28:30
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, for sure, but I want to I
28:32
Speaker 4: want to get the dirty work, like all of the
28:35
Speaker 4: hard work just at least started right now. So again,
28:38
Speaker 4: when I say will you marry me? I wanted to
28:41
Speaker 4: be like yes, of course, not like you know, we
28:44
Speaker 4: still got a commo to have about I know you're.
28:47
Speaker 3: Afraid that she might.
28:48
Speaker 4: I know you said she don't play, but yeah, I mean,
28:50
Speaker 4: I just I know, I know how I've been and
28:54
Speaker 4: I know how long it's been so you know, almost
28:57
Speaker 4: a decade of working through communication issues is not something
29:01
Speaker 4: that somebody will just wake up one day and be like, yeah,
29:03
Speaker 4: I'm good with you wasting my time for ten years.
29:05
Speaker 4: Like no, it's gonna take a minute for it to
29:07
Speaker 4: like finally be exactly where we both want it to be.
29:10
Speaker 4: And I just want her to be as happy as possible.
29:13
Speaker 4: I want myself to be as happy as possible. And yeah,
29:15
Speaker 4: I'm not like Russian to do anything like the marriage
29:18
Speaker 4: is coming.
29:18
Speaker 6: But your awareness is beautiful though, Like how you sound
29:21
Speaker 6: good to y'all. Take accountability?
29:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it sounds good to y'all. You know
29:26
Speaker 4: the truth. Nah nah, that was like that was my
29:31
Speaker 4: weird thing in the industry too, Like I'm a young
29:33
Speaker 4: man coming into the industry and accessibility is like on
29:36
Speaker 4: one thousand right now. So you travel the world and
29:38
Speaker 4: you see everything and you hear everything, and it's right
29:40
Speaker 4: there knocking at your door, and to have to decide,
29:43
Speaker 4: you know, what to do every single night or every
29:44
Speaker 4: single week was just like, oh, this is it's a wild,
29:46
Speaker 4: wild West out here. Like I've gone to places where
29:48
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is hell on earth. Like as far
29:50
Speaker 4: as like being a black man, being a successful black man,
29:53
Speaker 4: being an artist. I'm just like it's certain places I
29:56
Speaker 4: already know, like when we go, make sure my green
29:59
Speaker 4: room is clear, make sure nobody backstage who don't need
30:01
Speaker 4: to be backstage. And also just like keeping up with
30:04
Speaker 4: folks in general is just it's just stressful, like having
30:08
Speaker 4: to manage any other relationships or hide something or like
30:11
Speaker 4: keep something touched away, Like that's that's too much. Like
30:13
Speaker 4: my health matters, Like I ain't mental health, physical health.
30:17
Speaker 4: I really ain't got time.
30:18
Speaker 2: You know why I respect this because you know a
30:20
Speaker 2: lot of people that would say it's the infidelity, right,
30:22
Speaker 2: so they'll blame it on the external, but you were saying, no,
30:26
Speaker 2: this is me.
30:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm the reason. Yeah, just having work.
30:30
Speaker 4: For sure for sure. Yeah. And I think, like to me,
30:33
Speaker 4: you know, being unfaithful is not just a physical thing too.
30:35
Speaker 4: I think like the conversations that you have, the things
30:40
Speaker 4: that you think that you don't necessarily like communicate about,
30:43
Speaker 4: or just telling any any version of a lie that
30:46
Speaker 4: like saves you face or like keeps you in good grace,
30:48
Speaker 4: I think is unfaithful, even if it's not the literal action.
30:52
Speaker 4: So I feel like I had to admit that, you know,
30:54
Speaker 4: in my relationship too, it's just like I just haven't
30:56
Speaker 4: been as honest as I can be. And to me,
30:58
Speaker 4: this feels the same as anything.
31:00
Speaker 1: Else what you're saying that. So was Bounty your perspective
31:03
Speaker 1: of someone lying to you and you feeling that hurt
31:06
Speaker 1: or was it your girlfriend's perspective?
31:08
Speaker 4: Bownie is both. So Bownie is me killing off that
31:10
Speaker 4: version of myself that it was a liar that was
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Speaker 4: kind of like trying to make things land like the
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Speaker 4: perfect way. And also from the perspective of a partner
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Speaker 4: who's just like you. You lied to me, but you
31:22
Speaker 4: go to sleep with me, so you know at this
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Speaker 4: point I wouldn't kill that part of you off too. So, yeah,
31:28
Speaker 4: Bountie is both perspectives. It's me and it's her talking
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Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, killing the ego, killing the lies, killing
31:34
Speaker 4: the unfaithfulness, killing the dressing things up, killing everything. Yeah, Like,
31:38
Speaker 4: if it doesn't serve like our relationship and make us
31:41
Speaker 4: have more fun, then let's get rid of it.
31:43
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 5: You said it was like hell on Earth, you know,
31:45
Speaker 5: backstage and seeing some of these What was the craziest
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Speaker 5: thing a fan.
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Speaker 4: Did I couldn't tell you a specific moment because it
31:53
Speaker 4: gets blurry in those moments.
31:54
Speaker 5: For me, for sure, I image you to say that Australia.
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Speaker 4: Australia is like the most dangerous place for a young
32:01
Speaker 4: black successful meman.
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Speaker 3: Why is that?
32:03
Speaker 4: Because their culture over there is just very like straightforward,
32:06
Speaker 4: like they don't you know, it's not like they trying
32:09
Speaker 4: to get to know you and like what are y'all
32:10
Speaker 4: doing tonight? And da da dah. You'll hear somebody just
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Speaker 4: be like I'm trying to Yeah, it's like they don't
32:18
Speaker 4: beat around the bush out there. So I've just been
32:20
Speaker 4: able to see like the interactions out there, and that's
32:22
Speaker 4: one place where we go where I'm just like there's
32:25
Speaker 4: a bubble surrounding me in the club. For sure, it's like,
32:27
Speaker 4: don't let anybody through here. Because what I've had to,
32:30
Speaker 4: like the way I've had to like respond to certain
32:33
Speaker 4: things in certain moments, folks are just or women have
32:35
Speaker 4: just been like are you good? Like are you gay?
32:37
Speaker 4: Like why not? I'm just like I'm it's like that
32:46
Speaker 4: over there.
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Speaker 6: Got well, so all right?
32:48
Speaker 1: So then when you were talking about the open ear
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Speaker 1: that made a stranger feel like like closer to you,
32:53
Speaker 1: but she was nobody to you, and what you did
32:55
Speaker 1: only make sense to you what happened in that scenario then,
32:58
Speaker 1: because I after Bounty and in that line or bird flew,
33:01
Speaker 1: I'm like, you definitely must have got caught teating, but.
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Speaker 4: You're saying no in those moments when you are like
33:05
Speaker 4: having breaks in your relationship and you know, trying to
33:08
Speaker 4: figure it out in your separate spaces, I just feel
33:09
Speaker 4: like I, I like would allow people to like think
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Speaker 4: that they were cool with me, or think that you know,
33:17
Speaker 4: we were friends, or think that the conversation was good
33:21
Speaker 4: when truly I was just struggling just like having conversations
33:24
Speaker 4: with the person who I really wanted to have a
33:26
Speaker 4: conversation with. So, you know, it's just easier to talk
33:28
Speaker 4: to a friend or easier to talk to somebody that's,
33:31
Speaker 4: you know, randomly, you know, in the room at a
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Speaker 4: venue who's like just trying to strike up a conversation
33:36
Speaker 4: and feeling like you're relating to each other when truthfully,
33:38
Speaker 4: in my head, I'm just like I don't want to
33:39
Speaker 4: talk to you, bro, like I really don't, But like
33:42
Speaker 4: I need to mature a little bit more so that
33:44
Speaker 4: I can just like continue to keep that like far
33:47
Speaker 4: away from me.
33:49
Speaker 6: And then the song bare right did you did you sample?
33:52
Speaker 6: Is that a flip on?
33:52
Speaker 4: Yea?
33:53
Speaker 3: Is my mind? Yep?
33:54
Speaker 6: Love it?
33:54
Speaker 4: Ye sample for just genius? Thank you?
33:57
Speaker 6: Yeah you to share?
33:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you? Take that say y'all thank you.
34:02
Speaker 1: When music drops.
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Speaker 4: I know, Look, it takes a couple of years though,
34:05
Speaker 4: for me to know what I want to talk about, like,
34:08
Speaker 4: and I don't think this time around, like it's gonna
34:10
Speaker 4: take me like two or three years to get another
34:12
Speaker 4: album done. Like I really am in that space to
34:14
Speaker 4: where the music is kind of rolling and falling out,
34:15
Speaker 4: and I just want to continue to record. But normally,
34:19
Speaker 4: like you got to live and experience life and like
34:21
Speaker 4: process and you know if it's therapy or if it's traveling,
34:24
Speaker 4: or if it's talking, or if it's sitting by yourself,
34:27
Speaker 4: Like I just need time to know how I feel
34:29
Speaker 4: to make something.
34:30
Speaker 3: How were your fan base? How your fan base feel
34:34
Speaker 3: about a black.
34:36
Speaker 4: I know that most people who listen to my music
34:39
Speaker 4: understand and appreciate like just linear growth, But there are
34:43
Speaker 4: some folks who get introduced to you in the very beginning,
34:45
Speaker 4: like a song is viral, like problems, it's gonna make
34:48
Speaker 4: you think, oh, this is my toxic king, like I
34:51
Speaker 4: need I go to him for this. But I just
34:54
Speaker 4: feel like if you want me to stay in a
34:56
Speaker 4: place that was depressing for me, then just not really
35:01
Speaker 4: my type of person. If you want that too, it
35:03
Speaker 4: exists right there on all DSPs. You can go listen,
35:05
Speaker 4: put it on repeat as many times as you want.
35:07
Speaker 4: But I would never if I ever went back there,
35:11
Speaker 4: it would be bad for everybody, Like I don't. I
35:12
Speaker 4: don't want to have another like Free Black Era. So
35:17
Speaker 4: I think most people get it, and the ones that don't,
35:19
Speaker 4: they just need to learn that you can always go
35:21
Speaker 4: listen to the album. It's right there.
35:22
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel pressure to perform sadness because that's
35:26
Speaker 2: what people connected people to you in the first list?
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Speaker 4: Nope. I feel like with my second album, and especially
35:34
Speaker 4: with my third album, since I have a lover, like
35:36
Speaker 4: I was prepared for whatever came with it. Like I
35:38
Speaker 4: led my third album with the song that was like
35:42
Speaker 4: it felt alternative and it felt pop and it felt uplifting,
35:46
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe when it drops and the initial
35:49
Speaker 4: fan like has to digest it, they're like, Okay, what's
35:51
Speaker 4: going on here? But when you make it to the
35:53
Speaker 4: concert and you see how it translates on stage. It's
35:56
Speaker 4: just like, oh, I get it. Like I get to
35:57
Speaker 4: leave the concert feeling like happy versus you know, we
36:02
Speaker 4: just took you through a monochromatic journey and like at
36:05
Speaker 4: the end, it's like you got what you needed, but
36:08
Speaker 4: you still kind of leave like a little dimmed out.
36:09
Speaker 4: So I like taking a risk, and I would rather
36:14
Speaker 4: do something that I am confident in and then I
36:17
Speaker 4: feel like represents where I'm where I'm at in my life,
36:20
Speaker 4: versus doing something else that I got to look back
36:21
Speaker 4: on and regret.
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Speaker 3: All right, well, let's get into a record off that
36:24
Speaker 3: what you want to hear?
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Speaker 4: I want to do Sunday Again, Sunday Again, Yeah, featuring
36:30
Speaker 4: Two Chains. Yeah, it's a nice palate cleanser. As I
36:33
Speaker 4: was going through everything in the last like three four years,
36:35
Speaker 4: I needed something that just kind of slowed my weeks down,
36:38
Speaker 4: and my Sundays were the thing that slowed my weeks down.
36:41
Speaker 4: So I wanted a song that felt like Sunday.
36:42
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, the album comes out this Friday. Make sure
36:45
Speaker 5: you pick it up. Love is the New Gangster Black.
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Speaker 5: We appreciate you for joining us.
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Speaker 4: Brother, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: It's black. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Thank y'all.
36:53
Speaker 3: Don't know every day waiting up the Breakfast Club. You'll
36:58
Speaker 3: finish for y'all.
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Speaker 4: Done,