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How To Make It In Podcasting Featuring The Arkham Sessions · For All Nerds Show

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  dot com Slash for All Nerds. Welcome the shows them and What's Up y'all,
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  and welcome to another episode of The Four Birds Show, The Voice that
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  are Urban Geek, the podcast where we stressed deep and pop culture from the
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  perspective of people of color. And as always, in the Captain's chair,
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  it's your boy, DJ Been I Mean aka Professor and Mary Jane Quentin Quarantino,
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  Tasson Cointi and Ninja Charlie Brownish Lefe work. You got me buzz out.
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  Your method man's explaining Meek Millhouse here in the spaceship tonight. You like
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  that in literation right there and start off the show, thank you very much,
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  and joining me is Tatiana King, the Grand Duchess of Tech also known
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  as Mulatto High Tower, the Team of the North, Tatiana Kang, the
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  Conqueror, Lambokwrizzi and Flex luthor Ned Slanders, Dame diner Dash and the Wrath
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  of con Che How you doing that? I mean pretty good. I foolishly
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  ate some blackberries right before we start recording, So now I got all these
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  seeds up in my mouth, yo, And so that's what I'm dealing with
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  right now, folks. I even realize that to you sets up, so
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  I hope you've been real It's all right. So y'all, we have been
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  gone for a minute, but we're back with a jump off. Lots of
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  happened since the last time we've had just a general show about everything that.
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  I mean, something big was announced recently. Worst, yo, I can't
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  remember something exponentially incredibly amazing. I'm trying to think of all the leaves amazing
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  that like put a lot of love and pride and just peace in my heart.
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  Do you want to tell everyone what we're talking about? Well, thank
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  you very much for that. First of all, Tatiana King I gotta say
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  thank you for last week's episode, which everyone should go check out right now.
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  You know you can hit pauls on this one. Go finish that whole
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  episode and then come back right to this and look you're back and no time
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  is matched. You pass for you. And Yeah, what we are talking
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  about, which we discussed in depth on last week's episode, is the upcoming
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  release of my first graphic o g N as they say, original graphic novel,
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  Jimmy Hendricks Purple Hayes by Titan Comics. Published by Titan Comics, Written
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  by Mellow Brown and myself, with art by the illustrious Tom Man Drake.
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  The God, The God and Jimmy Hendrix. Purple Hayes is a graphic novel
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  featuring the legend Jimmy Hendricks himself in as the blurb I mean the Yah.
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  The blurb says, you know in a way that you've never seen him before.
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  Our story features around a version of Jimmy Hendricks. It takes place in
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  outer space. It's quite magical, sci fi, afrofuturistic funk influenced like it's
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  at Southern playlistic catalact type music of comic books, Aliens, Yes, aliens
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  in comic book form featuring Hendricks, all of Hendricks music. It's done in
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  conjunction with the Hendricks of State. Shout out to Jamie Hendricks and for people
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  who know the Hendricks, the state is super super tight. Like It's funny.
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  Even on the posts on Instagram about the book, mad people were just
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  complaining about how they won't release anymore music and shit like that. I'm like,
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  bro, it ain't got nothing to do with this book, you know
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  what I mean? How fired this book is so well, you know how
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  it is like, especially someone's prolific and the legacy of something like Jimmie Hendricks,
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  right like, and I just want to like, let's take the time
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  to really for you to really I know, still sinking in that sink in
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  how monumental this occasion and this accomplishment is you worked on the ip of a
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  legend within the culture, the actual person themselves with him again you said you
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  worked with the estate with with Janie. Did Jimmy Hedgri's account on like one
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  point two million followers posted about the book Jimmy Hendrix with with the actual blue
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  blue star, blue check whatever it is on Instagram. You know what I'm
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  saying like this is real, Ben Haman, really real, the hairs but
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  little hairs on my arm. I have just stood up, you know as
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  you were saying that, because it's yeah it I still and I won't.
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  There's so many different levels, you know, to this, Like we were
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  distressed on the show last week about how just seeing my art my words being
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  done by the art of Tom Mandrake is one level, and that's just been
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  a mind blowing level. But I know the level of walking into a store
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  and seeing this and then seeing it in all the places that is going to
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  go because of its association with Hendrix and its association with Tom man Drake and
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  also Mellow and I story is something that we really believe in and are really
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  overjoyed with, super proud of, and we just know that it's joined the
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  places that I can't even foresee right now, and so there's a lot to
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  it. And then, like you said, just the whole Hindricks association,
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  because I've been a fan of Hendricks as long as I've been a DJ,
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  as long as I've been into music. When I got into heavy into music,
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  my uncle gave me the band of Gypsy's album The LP, which a
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  lot of our story is based around how that album got made, so you
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  know, everything comes full circle and it's just super ill and super wild and
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  yeah, I I you know, every day I wake up just like Wow,
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  this is really happening. And I mean just the fact that we even
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  got past the pitch stage, the fact that they took our picture and was
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  like, yeah, okay, we'll let you do this, and then they
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  let us do it. And like I was talking to our editor the other
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  day and he's like, one of the really cool things is you managed to
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  do exactly what they wanted to do and also tell the story that you wanted
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  to tell. Yes, And that's so rare, right, Like a lot
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  of times you see the one way or another, you don't get that nice
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  balance that allows you to be creatively free generally speaking. Right. So,
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  and I do also want to stress again for everybody to listen to that interview
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  that I had of ben I mean in the previous episode, because if you
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  want to know anything there is to know about this book, about the creation
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  process, about the and again it's just just Bename's perspect I even get to
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  mellow yet no or of all of the real personhood and experience and life that
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  went into this, at least from Ben I Mean's perspective. You need to
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  listen to that episode for real. Yeah, you definitely do. And I
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  thank you again Todd Tonna. That was really amazing and you did a really
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  great job. And you know, seeing the people's reaction to that and the
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  reaction to like our friendship and our camaraderie and there's everything we've established over these
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  years, and you know, there's one of those big moments and it's it's
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  just I don't yeah, I don't get it. Like I'm just like talking
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  about editor and like I didn't want to reveal this yet, but I know
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  who the writer who is you know, working on this before we came on,
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  and they had some things and it was like it's it's just a lot
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  of legends involved in this, and it's like, wow, you know here
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  we are now, I mean out November seventh. You can pre order it
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  right now, and I've stressed y'all please go pre order this, Jory,
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  Like pre orders are so important for comic books and for graphic novels, and
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  you know, just help your boy out on this one. Like I promise
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  you you are more than getting your money's worth, Like it is insane the
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  amount of work that Tom man Drake alone put into this. Like me and
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  Mellow put work into this, but Tom Mandrake, a legendary artist. Our
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  editor said it the other day too, He's like, he feels this is
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  Tom's best work ever. And this man has been working forever in the game
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  and he's so sick with it. Go look, follow his Instagram and check
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  him out. Tom Mandred. Yeah, I'm excited to read the book because
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  I know nothing of the story. You know, like this and I want
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  it, And I purposely was told you I want this fresh. I want
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  so crazy. After you read it, I'm gonna give you the strips and
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  everything, and then you can see how the whole thing came together, and
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  I would love that. Yeah, And once we get later on, I'm
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  gonna publish some of that stuff, so y'all can see some of the behind
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  the scenes stuff. You know. I'm not sure because there's probably be a
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  lot of extra things in the graphic now, I'm not sure exactly what's joined
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  into it just yet it yet, but yeah, let's do it, man,
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  I mean, oh yeah, there's could be all that stuff. Man,
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  I'm definitely gonna you know, because they're like, you know, you're
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  asking about the music I listened to. I have a playlist of music that
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  I was listening to, and I'm gonna publish that, et cetera, things
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  of that nature, so you know there'll be a lot to it. And
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  like I say, go pre order it now. You can go to Amazon,
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  you can go to your local Comma book shop, your local bookstore,
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  any of these places. It's to be available anywhere. Just ask for Jimmy
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  Hendricks Purple Haze. You can google it. It comes right up and please
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  just put it on pre order list everywhere. You can buy it for a
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  friend, buy yourself a copy. When you see me anywhere in the world,
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  I will sign it for you, you know what I mean. I'm
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  going to be traveling because it comes out of November. So next year I'm
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  gonna be all over the place. There's a big con this weekend right now
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  in May in London, So next year I'm gonna be there guaranteed. And
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  I played like I planned to a lot of cons this year, but now
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  that it's from it out next year, I'm gonna push that back and just
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  heavy net year. I'm gonna be all over the place, so you know,
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  look for me next year all over the place. I'm gonna be signing
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  this motherfucker everywhere I go, talking to people about it, doing panels,
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  doing whatever. Boom boom boom. So pre order Jimmy Hendricks, Purple Hayes
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  right now. Thank you all very much. And yes, and when ben
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  Amine is not writing graphic novels, him and I are speaking at the National
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  Museum of African American History and Culture, because just to remind y'all, October
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  nineteenth, that is whole coming week at Howard University, the Illustrious HU.
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  You know, we will be speaking in the Oprah Winfrey Theater. We'll be
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  speaking on the topic of afrofuturism. As you may all know by now,
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  back in March they open up there. Um, what is it like six
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  or nine months? What do you call that experience exhibit? I knew,
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  I knew it was an X X exhibits a Z about afrofuturism. We are
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  leading the culture. We are leading the culture, but we're leading the conversation
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  for that. So definitely put down your calendar plan to come through. There
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  might be a special guest along with us, but you gotta be there.
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  You know what I'm saying. You got you know, And and I'll be
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  honest with y'all, like, all right, it starts to seven pm.
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  I do know that we do not know how ticketus f being um distributor and
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  everything. But like when I told my boy, who's been to the museum
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  what theater we were in and everything, he was like, dog, you
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  know, he't none of us getting in, Like this's like my best friend,
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  right. And I was like, yo, you gotta come up from
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  you know, wherever you had. I'm not gonna say where you have,
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  bro, and be like, yo, you gotta come through. And he
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  was like, Bro, you know that theater. Do you know the type
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  of people who are gonna be in there that night? He's like, we
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  ain't getting in, so I don't know, you know, I did not
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  notice. I'm thinking, you know, it's gonna be a thing. We
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  could just be handed out tickets so we'll see, you know. But he
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  is of the idea that this will be some black tie, big dollar dollar
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  you know cats up in there. I mean it better be, man,
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  we need some sponsors. I mean, the Smithsonian is getting that money.
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  We don'na be like, please help you know, and put us on there
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  man with the but what yeah, man, Foreign Nerds only on BT plus
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  listen, man is our best jest. I mean, there's our first jest.
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  That's all I asks. You know, can we get aj and free
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  up on? There is our first jest. Oh that's funny. You know
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  that's my dude that you know? Yes, y'all October nineteenth, remember that.
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  Put that on your calendar. Big teens. God Willing will be announcing
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  more big teams as we continue on through twenty twenty three. Ye I know
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  that also we are doing big teams on Foreign Nerds dot com for all nerds
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  dot com because as you see, Ben I mean and I are wearing one
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  of the first exclusives and very popular shirts. I'm a little shit scared,
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  a little shit sometimes when I see this happen. But the amount of people
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  who are going ham on that Lionel Richie shirt. Shout outs to y'all everyone
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  who also has the Techalla and frenchhert. I'm rocking that. But I have
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  the exclusive color away from when we had our black panther the kind of ever
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  event, and that reminds you when anytime we have live events, we're probably
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  doing exclusive stuff that you can't get on a site or anywhere else. So
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  that's why you gotta show up. That being said, we are having We've
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  already released some new stuff. We're gonna have more new stuff. This one
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  that came up this week for a show. Oh yeah uh. And then
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  I mean you want to talk about that new new new, Yes, the
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  new design that we have. It's actually done by the same person Latina Scribbles
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  who did the Lion or Richie is our Anti Scroll Society Club shirt. Anti
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  Scrolls Social Club, Social Social look you know Butcher for names, words,
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  T shirts whatever. Anti Butcher Social Club. I wish you had it with
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  you, Butcher Butcher Club. Yeah, Anti Girl Social Club for Marvel's new
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  shows, Secret Invasion, which is dropping what June seventeenth. I do believe
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  very soon, very June ninth, June seventeenth. In the flash, I
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  think it's okay somewhere around it ain't goddamn it. It's coming out soon.
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  But right now, before it even comes out, you can get this shirt
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  so during the premiere you can sit there with your homies, take a picture.
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  Posted tag for all nerds and the anti Scrawl Social Club shirt. Y'all
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  know you know what logo is, you know, kind of a parody of
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  We're gonna go with parody for legal reasons, for the legality of it all.
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  So you know what I mean, y'all know what it is, Secret
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  Evasion Drops June twenty first, there we go. There. It is so
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  design. I love it. I love that ill puff print, That's what
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  I'm saying. And that's why, like one thing about us, y'all,
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  we do quality. So the shirts y'all get on, not that nasty you
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  know print that the man was doing in that other place we was at.
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  This is like good quality in the good quality screen, good quality shirts.
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  You know, you can see you see and fill the quality. And then
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  as Benamine was expressing this anti Scroll Social Club's shirt, it has, as
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  he said, the puff prints, so you can feel it. You can
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  feel the fakeness of the scroll as you continue on down the line, you
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  know what I'm saying. So I love it. Good good, nice,
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  bright colors. And I think it comes in like three different shirt colors too.
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  Yep. And we also have the Shane Chi Shang che Shane. I
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  never know what it's a proper pronunciation oh in celebration of API month. Yes,
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  there you go. The Shane Chi and Friends shirt with features, just
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  like the Tachalla and Friends shirt, features a bunch of superheroes and super characters
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  going by their real name, so you know, it's for the people who
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  know. You know, it ain't for just everybody out you know what I
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  mean. So that one is fire. I can't wait to get my hands
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  on that. We got that one in yellow, say, and in white
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  with black print, so you know it's ill flipped for the summer, like
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  the exclusive joint you got right there, you know, because the other drunks
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  was in the white print. So now we got the black print for the
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  summer. Probably gonna put up some Chala's in black prints soon. Yeah,
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  and we got some more coming. I was thinking about that, you know,
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  the kill Monger had some good ideas. You know. I don't know
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  if that's too hotel or not, but you know, and I just want
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  to share that I'm really excited, Like this is not just me trying to
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  put a commercial in the middle of the show, like trying to sell it,
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  but like beyond that, like I believe in these designs, Like yes,
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  the reason why Ben I mean and I are started going so hard on
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  merch and designing and it soon to be closing. Is because we wanted shit
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  that reflected the ship that we liked in fandom and geeked them whenever you want
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  to call it, but that was cool, Like it's just too it's too
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  damn high. The number of geek shit that's not fucking cool. That shit
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  that look that don't look liddy, it don't feel liddy, don't have like
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  litty quality, Like we we off that right. We want shit that we
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  would naturally rock on a daily basis, And like I never wanted to sit
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  there walking around looking like a horror all day. That shit is weak to
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  me, Like I'm not I'm not trying to be in Cosway every single day,
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  And unfortunately a lot of the merch y'all see out there just look like
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  straight up Cosway. We want to show you can wear in real fucking life,
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  and we realize us and other people feel the same way. So that's
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  why we're going so hard on like these designs and letting y'all know when we
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  got that new new one we dropping because we're really trying to We're trying to
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  a movement right now. M Yeah, because as y'all know, if you
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  know me, like that's been my whole life. It's always having fire T
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  shirts, Like if you've ever seen me out, I've always had a fire
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  T shirt or and I'm very selective about the type of T shirts, you
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  know, even the geek joints. And I used to did did did till
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  I found the ones just like that what I was looking for that I was
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  envisioning until now it's just like we're just making these joints. So I'm guaranteeing
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  you it's don't be some ill shit every time because as you see I rocket,
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  I wear these ships out when I'm DJing wherever I'm out. You're gonna
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  see me in this all summer if you ever see me. So I mean,
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  we're gonna get that. And that's what I'm saying. You get this
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  merch, you're gonna get that fit off. Like this elevates the fits.
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  It don't make it look strange. And what I'm saying, doctor strange doing
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  something strange with some change, like we don't need that right now. So
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  that's that's one of the main reasons why I just keep mentioning it and I'm
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  why are we're going so hard on this? And we just hope that y'all
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  are proud and loving the stuff that we're coming out with. And of course,
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  if you like what you see, hit that where they say smash that,
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  purchase but bro much and and if nothing else, when y'all do that,
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  y'all are supporting us directly. Y'all are supporting the show all this,
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  like just like when you do their Patreon, you're supporting us directly. You're
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  not supporting the man, like, this is our what is it called?
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  This is our establishment, this is our organization. We're doing shit our way.
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  Thank you can appreciate you very much. Sour show, Yes, sir,
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  thank you so much. And speaking of our show, we have for
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  you a very special treat coming up right now. We have our exclusive exclusive
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  panel from UCLA. Yeah we were, we were. You forgot what you
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  were. We were at u c LA proper we were. We got fluid
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  out to LA, tout all things podcasting, how to build your brand in
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  podcasting in so many other gems. Shout outs and love to doctor Drea Let's
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  amenity as well as Brian Ward posts of the Arkham Sessions, Doctor j I
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  love you so much. I don't I don't even know what else to say,
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  but I love you. Thank you for the opportunity. Appreciate to all
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  the students who came out to listen to us, who ask questions. That
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  was amazing and we really hope you enjoy what you here. Thank you.
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  We'll be right back. Yo Yo Yo. It's superways Barn March. I'm
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  tuned in to four All Nerds. What's up? Everyone? It's your girl
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  fantastic Frankie. I'm listening to four All Nerds. What's up? What's up?
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  Everybody. My name is Crown and you are now listening to four All
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  Nerds. What's up? Everybody's its Troy Jeffrey Young and you're watching four all
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  our Nerves. Good afternoon everyone, Thanks for showing up. My name is
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  let Yo. I'm gonna be the moderator for today. Um yeah, get
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  this key podcasting whole set up ready and going. So I'm happy to get
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  this event kicked off and excited to learn from some of the professionals in the
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  podcasting you. It's my pleasure to introduce our panalysts for today. First,
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  we have DJ Ben Humen and Tatiana King who run the Four All Nerds show.
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  Next up we have doctor Andrea led To Mendi and Brian Ward who have
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  founded the Arkham Series, Psychology of Batman and more. So, I'd love
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  to start out and give you for the opportunity to talk a little bit about
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  your podcast for those that may be a bit unfamiliar, I guess I'll start.
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  I'm DJ Ben, I mean, and we run the Four All Nerds
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  Podcasts, which is a podcast dedicated to showcasing geek culture from the perspective of
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  people of color. And our model is inclusion is revolution and by that we
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  believe that if we are included in spaces, you know, revolution naturally happens.
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  And Brian and myself you can go by dry At if you'd like.
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  We started the Arkham Sessions several years ago where we were trying to figure out
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  how much how many years ago nine years ago in celebration of a fantastic series
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  called Batman, the animated series. So initially our podcast was all about the
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  psychology of that show that aired in nineteen ninety two for the first time Batman
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  the animated series, and from there we began to branch out. We covered
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  every single episode of the animated show, and then we started to branch out
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  to different geek ips and brands, and we moved into other other DC characters
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  and stories, and then other animation like Stephen Universe, and we are now
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  covering the Star Wars Cinematic universe, which has been a blast. Sweet.
• 23:48
  Yeah, thank you so much. And in the audience, I'd just like
• 23:52
  to mention we want to prioritize your questions throughout this whole panel, so please
• 23:59
  just raise your hand all around the mic over to you if if you'd like.
• 24:02
  But I also have some questions prepared. I think a good one to
• 24:06
  lead out with is what led each of you to create your own podcast shows?
• 24:11
  What's interesting? Oh? Thank you? What's interesting is like, we
• 24:15
  didn't have any designs on creating a podcast until it became obvious we needed to.
• 24:22
  Drea was in a documentary that Warner Brothers made about ten years ago called
• 24:27
  Necessary Evil The super Villains of DC Comics, and when we went to the
• 24:34
  premiere of that at Comic Con, I kept noticing that all of the histories
• 24:41
  that she would pull from with these characters, and she would talk about the
• 24:45
  deep psychology behind these characters. They were all animated series based, because what
• 24:48
  a lot of people didn't necessarily know is a lot of these characters didn't have
• 24:55
  these origin stories until the animated series, and now we just look at them
• 24:57
  as being of course, that's there's an origin story we've always known. And
• 25:03
  so I said, Drey, it cursed me that every answer you gave was
• 25:07
  based on the animated series. We should just do a podcast where you just
• 25:11
  talk about that every episode. And we didn't think we would get all the
• 25:17
  way through because they were over well over one hundred episodes. We're sort of
• 25:21
  like, we'll go over as long as we can, and then it just
• 25:23
  kept building. I will say, just like anyone at the beginning of The
• 25:27
  Hero's Journey, I resisted the call and said, no one wants to hear
• 25:33
  me talk about psychology and Batman. It's a weird intersection that just lives in
• 25:37
  my geek brain and I can't imagine that people would listen. And Brian encouraged
• 25:42
  me to just give it a try. We were going to cover a handful
• 25:45
  of episodes and put it on YouTube at first, and then we branched into
• 25:51
  the necessary kind of critical spaces where you release podcasts, and we started to
• 25:56
  get a following, and I was very pleased to learn that their fans are
• 26:00
  interested in not just in reminiscing and celebrating Batman, the animated series, but
• 26:04
  also they're interested in the psychological science that emerges. And he took those episodes
• 26:10
  in these unique ways because this is the TV series that literally was the gateway
• 26:15
  for her getting into psychology. But again, and so Dad and geakery in
• 26:21
  general, and so yeah, it was it made sense. And as far
• 26:29
  as ben Iman and ourselves, like four old nurses, this has been a
• 26:33
  really big journey. Like first of all, that's like that wasn't even our
• 26:34
  original name. It was fan Rose and it was fostered from an idea from
• 26:38
  combat Jack. Combat Jack is rest in power. Always he was a legend
• 26:42
  in hip hop. He had you know, he's always been in media when
• 26:48
  it came to hip hop and rap in the whole community and everything the culture,
• 26:52
  if you will. And he had his own podcast, and of course
• 26:56
  he had a love for the gekery as you mentioned it, the kikdom and
• 27:00
  comics and everything else in between. So he wanted to make a podcast specifically
• 27:04
  about it. And this was back in the beginning of podcasting, where no
• 27:08
  one really knew what was going on, what he even met, or what
• 27:12
  the purpose of it was. So he was really truly a pioneer, and
• 27:15
  he's lovingly called the Podfather. So the Podfather created this space where he wanted
• 27:22
  to build up and talk about key culture from the perspective people of color.
• 27:25
  And he had been Amine and a whole bunch of people, a lot of
• 27:30
  people that probably was too many people at the time. And you know,
• 27:34
  I guess after that first one or two episodes, they were like, Yeah,
• 27:38
  this is not gonna work. We need to be tooled this. He
• 27:41
  actually gave the reins to Benami. Trusted Benami. Benami was DJM Combat Jack
• 27:45
  Show. So he said, Benami, I needs you to run with this,
• 27:48
  need you to build this up. Ben I mean could fill in the
• 27:49
  blanks for you. But fast forward, you did myself a young woman by
• 27:55
  the name of Jimmie Righetti, Chico Leo, and Benhamine and very first episode,
• 28:00
  I think we interviewed Prodigy and Lob Deep and you know that was my
• 28:03
  very first time like interviewing celebrities and just it was just very random. That
• 28:07
  was my very first episode too, so I'm just like, okay, this
• 28:10
  is how it is. Just get thrown on the fire. And that's kind
• 28:14
  of how this show has been built. It's just like just it doesn't matter.
• 28:17
  You don't have never done it before, you don't have these veris just
• 28:19
  to do it. And as I mentioned, it was built around key culture,
• 28:22
  so our love for it. I've always had a passion for animation and
• 28:26
  gaming and movies and film and everything in between, and of course coupled that
• 28:32
  with Ben I mean his love of comics, animation as well, I mean
• 28:36
  everything you could think of, and like I said, I've been feel free
• 28:37
  to five of the blanks would be like But it just grew from there after.
• 28:42
  I think the first four years we ended up changing the name just to
• 28:47
  be more inclus and also it didn't make sense at the time, so that
• 28:49
  kind of gives you a quick evolution of our show. But we did it
• 28:53
  because we wanted to have our voices in this space at the especially I think
• 28:57
  even still now. But at the time, there wasn't really any shows like
• 29:00
  ours, especially not from the respective of the people call, especially not from
• 29:03
  perspective of black people, and we would just have the ability to just do
• 29:07
  it on our own again podcasting as new podcasting. You you're your own boss,
• 29:12
  you're your own you know, you meant you metrofest your own destiny.
• 29:15
  So, um, we were able to do that. Yeah, right,
• 29:21
  aren't going to do that? Add on that one? Yeah, talk to
• 29:23
  That's that's great. UM. I really appreciated how you said that you were
• 29:27
  just kind of thrown into the fire on some of these things and learned from
• 29:32
  the ground up. And for all four of you, Um, both of
• 29:34
  your podcasts stemmed from completely different backgrounds but have grown into something absolutely phenomenal.
• 29:40
  So that kind of segues into my next question, which is, um,
• 29:44
  what are some of the lessons that you've learned from starting your own bread Well.
• 29:49
  Rebranding is a thing I think especially if you start out um day one
• 29:57
  at the jump, having a vision, having an idea of what your brand
• 30:02
  is and not thinking about what is this going to sound like five years from
• 30:06
  now, ten years from now, And if I could do it all over,
• 30:10
  I may consider things like the intentions around branding, how could we have
• 30:15
  branded differently or better? And I bring this up to Brian frequently the Arkham
• 30:21
  sessions that Arkham like Arkham Asylum is the kind of origin of that, right,
• 30:26
  and it's such a Batman specific and even like niche Idea concept, Arkham
• 30:34
  Asylum is the psychiatric facility in the Batman universe. And I think that now
• 30:42
  that The Joker and Harley Quinn and these films are becoming more mainstream, this
• 30:48
  term is actually coming back into popularity and more people recognize it. But simply,
• 30:55
  you know, everything from the name of the podcast to kind of your
• 31:00
  your vision and your little tagline, what you're gonna how you're going to talk
• 31:03
  to people about your podcast, all that has to be really fleshed out and
• 31:10
  articulated from the get go in order I think to have the longevity and sustainability
• 31:15
  that you're looking for. And then I also think you can figure it out
• 31:19
  as you go along as well. Like you said, like rebraining, like
• 31:22
  we started out as fanbro show, and after a while we realized it was
• 31:26
  just everywhere we went we had to explain, yeah, you know that two
• 31:30
  of our members are women, and we are just a lot more inclusive than
• 31:34
  that. And if people started using Fanbros as a derogatory term, like those
• 31:38
  are like the dudes who are controlling comics and gatekeeping, So we had to
• 31:42
  move away from that. And then like even like our slogan like inclusion,
• 31:45
  our model like inclusion is Revolution was just something that I think I said on
• 31:51
  a show one day and it just yeah, it just stuck and we're like,
• 31:52
  ooh, that is you know, succincting. It just disappoint across and
• 31:57
  even the prospective people of color is like something we came up with just from
• 32:01
  doing shows. And so just what I will say is like we always we're
• 32:08
  striving to be who we are now, is what it was. Like.
• 32:10
  We knew that we wanted to be inclusion the revolution, even if we weren't
• 32:15
  saying it as a phrase, we knew that was always the goal and that
• 32:20
  was something that was just inherent in us. Like when I first started the
• 32:22
  show, the very like that was one thing, like tat down and said
• 32:24
  there was it was all dudes. And I did like two episodes and I
• 32:28
  was like, ain't no way, and I put a call out on Twitter,
• 32:31
  like there's no way I'm doing this for dudes. Um, I don't
• 32:35
  want to listen to dudes talk about comics anymore then I think most people do.
• 32:38
  So I was like, I need some other people, anyone, and
• 32:42
  Tatiana and Jamie both hit me up and I was like, I'm down.
• 32:44
  And that was that. That's the important thing too, you know. Oh,
• 32:49
  that's the important thing too, is understanding that your podcast needs to be
• 32:53
  different than all the other ones out there. Anybody continue to any podcast of
• 33:00
  your four dudes talking about that man or or whatever talking about that, and
• 33:09
  frankly, we don't care like we heard it. Uh, It's really important
• 33:15
  to differentiate yourself. And that's why, UM, you know I We're like,
• 33:21
  well, what are we going to talk about? We're going to watch
• 33:23
  a twenty two minute cartoon every week, and then we're going to talk about
• 33:29
  the real psychological science that we find in it, and we're going to then
• 33:32
  educate the listeners on what that. So really, really what we're doing is
• 33:36
  we're wrapping up a psychology class inside of the chocolate of of Well, we're
• 33:42
  talking about cartoons, um, and that's really what's helped us because again,
• 33:46
  no one really cares about our opinion of the animated series. UM. And
• 33:52
  by the way we call it, you know, something that you said earlier
• 33:55
  before we started um stuck with me. You said you did necessarily consider yourself
• 34:00
  the keep I promise you you are there is something that you know more about
• 34:08
  and are excited to talk about more than like any of the other people you
• 34:15
  have in your circles, like you're or those people in your circles you're You're
• 34:17
  like, you can't wait to get together with them and talk about whatever that
• 34:20
  is. If you're a neurosurgeon and you're like, God, let me talk
• 34:23
  about all the things I've learned about whatever, You're totally geeking out over that,
• 34:28
  you know, And so it's it's one of those things where if you
• 34:31
  know what it is that you love your passion and you can geek out over
• 34:36
  that thing, I guarantee there's a way to start a podcast or somebody's gonna
• 34:43
  want to hear it, because you know, no matter how boring you think
• 34:45
  that topic is, somebody wants to hear. Yeah, that's super interesting.
• 34:51
  I think when I mentioned that I was I wasn't necessarily thinking about all the
• 34:54
  things that I might have been interested in. Yeah, but yeah, sometimes
• 34:58
  I catch myself just going on tangents about psychology and some of the cognitive science
• 35:04
  classes that I'm taking and my friends are just kind of like, what,
• 35:08
  Yeah, I still am there thinks there No. And that's the thing is
• 35:14
  is you have all found sort of that niche of people that are excited to
• 35:17
  hear what you're talking about. Um, But but it takes that first step
• 35:22
  of inclusivity and initially finding that to be able to then kind of grow as
• 35:25
  a podcast. If that's um. That was my kind of takeaway from this.
• 35:30
  Yeah. Yeah cool um Yeah, And even along with that, I
• 35:34
  wanted to ask, um, what are some of the effective strategies, um,
• 35:38
  for building a personal brand as a creative? I know, Um,
• 35:43
  that kind of goes back into what we just talked about, but were there
• 35:45
  any like more tangible strategies that you had in growing something for your podcasts?
• 35:51
  Yeah? Yeah, speak a lot about that. Yeah. I think the
• 35:55
  first thing I would say is just be yourself like we are, or like
• 36:00
  me, especially I am, you know and always myself. I've always been
• 36:04
  this person. I get into a lot of trouble over it, you know,
• 36:07
  especially in social media, because I'll say things that most people won't agree
• 36:10
  with, and I can be a bit harsh and I can be a bit
• 36:14
  blunt, but it's also what attracts people to us. And people are either
• 36:17
  like what they mess have been or they don't. And that's just how I've
• 36:21
  always been. I'm like, well, you're either gonna mess with me or
• 36:22
  you won't. And I'm not gonna sugarcoat things to get you to mess with
• 36:27
  me. It's like you either like this what I'm saying, or you can
• 36:30
  disagree and you'll still probably want to follow because you want to see, you
• 36:34
  know, and you'll want to argue with me. And so yeah, I
• 36:37
  mean to build off that just you know who you are, right, and
• 36:40
  it's like, I mean, it's not rude, it's kind of like a
• 36:44
  take it a leave a thing, right. But I think people appreciate that
• 36:46
  that you're not being faith that you're being direct and you're just showing who you
• 36:51
  are and you have a love for these things and you have something to say,
• 36:53
  right. And I think that's effective in building that brand because people know,
• 36:57
  Okay, when I go listen to Tatiana Be, they're not gonna be
• 37:00
  wish you watching about something, right, They're gonna be one way or another.
• 37:01
  And they're also it's not an echo chamber. Lots of times we disagree,
• 37:05
  and I think that's part of the fun, Like you listen to the
• 37:07
  our reasonings for disagreeing, right, But we're not just gonna call something trash
• 37:12
  right. We're gonna give you real distinct understanding and an opinion of why right
• 37:15
  and back it up or facts where we're trying to And sometimes it's because I
• 37:19
  just don't like the way they look or something like that. But that's what
• 37:22
  makes it entertaining too, and then more so, and then that's the kind
• 37:25
  of like a soft sider, right, more so on the hard like branding
• 37:29
  type stuff. Um, I'm have a marketing degree. I want to Howard
• 37:32
  hu so Um. Consistency, M It's very, very, very important,
• 37:39
  especially in the beginning stage, is to be extremely consistent when it comes to
• 37:44
  the figuring out your voice. I think I really like that you said earlier,
• 37:49
  Drea, when doctor Dre when you said, you know, really have
• 37:52
  a plan in place. Your plan will evolve over time. I think any
• 37:54
  good show will evolve is not gonna sound the same ours has nothing like it
• 38:00
  did. But at the same time, like, hey, if this is
• 38:02
  the strategy we are, I don't know what's the name of this place,
• 38:07
  So geek podcasting ink Like everything is geek Podcasting, Inc. Grab all of
• 38:12
  the handles, right. If you're talking about social media, grab all of
• 38:15
  the grab the website, right. You need a central location from which to
• 38:16
  the source of all this stuff. Anything that you put on social media is
• 38:21
  not really owned by you. You need your own website, right, Get
• 38:23
  your email address. Get if you're trying to make this a business, get
• 38:27
  get a bank account. Like, do everything possible to own that idea through
• 38:31
  and through, because even if it falls over time, perhaps it's something that
• 38:36
  you build up so greatly that it gets acquired or you're able to sell or
• 38:38
  whatever. At least have the ownership in there, right. You know,
• 38:42
  one can just take it up from under you. And we've done that with
• 38:45
  for all nerds, right, Like from the logo to the branding too.
• 38:49
  We're saying it over and over again to I mean, it's just something that
• 38:53
  is part of the psyche that you have to get within yourself, and also
• 38:57
  you have to your audience that they understand and know, hey, this is
• 39:00
  what they do, this is their brand. I think that authenticity is super
• 39:05
  important. Over the years, I've been asked to co host other podcasts or
• 39:08
  get involved with other shows, and you know, I might sign on for
• 39:14
  a few months, or I might agree to the general idea of a different
• 39:17
  podcast. And it has taught me how important just the passion is with running
• 39:23
  your own podcast. It wasn't because it was a competitive show or anything like
• 39:29
  that. It was that, wow, doing this every week and being involved
• 39:34
  in the creation, the development, the topics and the actual conversations that you're
• 39:38
  putting on air. If you don't feel that you're putting your real self out
• 39:44
  there, it can be actually pretty draining, and that lends itself to feeling
• 39:49
  burnt out, feeling exhausted, yeall of other things that you're doing in your
• 39:52
  work, in your recreation, in your side hustles. You know, imagine
• 39:57
  if your side hustle didn't bring you joy. So that's sort of one of
• 40:00
  the lessons I've learned, is like, oh, it's not just about getting
• 40:04
  in front of a mic and recording every week. I really need to feel
• 40:07
  like my voice is authentic every time I do that, every time we record
• 40:12
  a show, I'm bringing my real self. Take it or leave it,
• 40:15
  love it or hate it. These are my opinions, these are my professional
• 40:19
  thoughts. And with that I'm carrying with me that sense of this is my
• 40:22
  full identity. And just like Ben was saying that some people are going to
• 40:27
  take to that and listen every week and feel connected to that, and it's
• 40:31
  not for everybody. May some may not appreciate the kinds of opinions and takes
• 40:37
  that I have on the shows. Yeah, one last thing I would add
• 40:42
  to that is something I always say is came from this book I've read once
• 40:45
  where it's like, if you want to start a revolution, you start with
• 40:47
  one person. Like the idea of starting a revolution with thousands of people just
• 40:52
  doesn't happen. You start with one person. You change one person, and
• 40:57
  that's all we always do. It's like because when we started, especially we
• 41:00
  weren't this massive thing. There wasn't massive podcasts when we started. There was
• 41:05
  just very small people reaching very small audiences. And so as we grew organically
• 41:10
  a lot of the times, what kept me going, especially through the hardest
• 41:15
  times, was like those few people who would reach out and email us and
• 41:20
  be like, Yo, you did this for me, You changed my life.
• 41:22
  Something you said on the show helped me through this dark time. And
• 41:25
  so it's like, yo, I'm really reaching people and really affecting change in
• 41:30
  the world. And that is so powerful to me and so important. And
• 41:34
  so that's what kept me going throughout when there was nothing. When you know,
• 41:37
  when I felt like no one was listening, I would just be like,
• 41:40
  but I know that one person is listening. I know that one person
• 41:44
  has really been affected by this show. So I'm doing this show for that
• 41:47
  one person. Basically is how I used to approach it, Like, I'm
• 41:51
  here every week so that one person I know he's out there. I know
• 41:53
  they're out there, and I know that this means a lot to them.
• 41:58
  The only other thing I would say that, um, it's not necessarily um.
• 42:04
  Oh, thank you, sorry, I keep forgetting. The one thing
• 42:07
  I would say is it's not necessarily um. Just passion that's going to bring
• 42:14
  you success. There are a lot of people who are passionate about the things
• 42:16
  that they love and that they're doing podcasts about. UM. The journey.
• 42:21
  Truth is you got to spend it to make it, um, you know,
• 42:24
  and uh, And really what that is is it's how much do you
• 42:29
  believe in yourself? Are you willing to invest in yourself? Are you willing
• 42:32
  to spend twenty five dollars on a Facebook ad um for the next two or
• 42:38
  three weeks. You know, it doesn't cost much. Um. You know,
• 42:42
  no one, no one's expecting you to come outdicate as an entrepreneur and
• 42:45
  a professional podcast. You don't have to immediately go out by you know,
• 42:52
  the best equipment. God knows that when our started it wasn't um. But
• 42:58
  how much are you willing to invest in yourself and in your brand just to
• 43:01
  get the websites You're You're gonna have to, you know, spend some money
• 43:05
  and so, yeah, it's it's important to consider is this a hobby.
• 43:09
  Is it just something where we like getting together every week and chatting and putting
• 43:14
  it out there, or is it genuinely something you want other people to come
• 43:17
  to the table and listen to it. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love
• 43:22
  all four of you have kind of touched on different ways to almost stay motivated
• 43:25
  and continue to push your brand and what you're passionate about. And this sort
• 43:30
  of stems on more of a personal question. But I find myself struggling to
• 43:36
  pursue some of my more creative endeavors because I'm nervous of what people might have
• 43:40
  to say and some of the hateful comments I might get. So I'm curious,
• 43:45
  is it that focus where you know you're impacting one person that's that's motivating
• 43:51
  you to keep going, or how do you kind of navigate around some of
• 43:53
  those more like one off comments that are less appreciative of the work that you're
• 43:59
  doing. There was a lesson that I learned a few years ago in a
• 44:04
  phrase called do it's scared so, meaning you're the fear is not gonna go
• 44:08
  away, the hate, it's not gonna go away. There's gonna be someone.
• 44:13
  Right. We have literally thousands of five star reviews, and there's that
• 44:17
  there's that handful of people like I hate their voice, I hate being I
• 44:22
  mean, and the way he smiles like it's always something ridiculous, right,
• 44:24
  I hate his laugh he laughed to lab like, it's it's always something about
• 44:28
  It's My whole point is saying that is it's I think it's less about I
• 44:36
  think it's more about managing your own self, right, Like less about trying
• 44:39
  to manage the other people and more about what is important to you, right,
• 44:44
  what do you want to get across? Like you and I feel you
• 44:47
  completely because I'm still like I'm just like, oh my god, they're gonna
• 44:50
  think I'm silly and then think I'm stupid or whatever, and it's just like,
• 44:52
  you know what, I have to push that away. What am I
• 44:55
  trying to get across? What is the message I'm trying to put in the
• 44:59
  world, What is the visuals I'm trying to keep people to receive. Let
• 45:01
  me focus on doing that to the best of my ability, as professional as
• 45:06
  I can, or whatever the case may be. And I think when you
• 45:08
  focus so much more on yourself as opposed to what others are thinking, you're
• 45:13
  you're going to be more successful. You're still going to be afraid, You're
• 45:15
  still gonna be nervous, but I think you will start building up your confidence
• 45:22
  as long as you just keep going. Yeah, same thing things Like my
• 45:27
  life, I've always done creative stuff. Like I started out when I was
• 45:30
  like in high school, started as a DJ, and then I went into
• 45:34
  film in college, and I've done writing, I've done producing, I've done
• 45:40
  podcasting now and even now I started recently in the last year like producing music,
• 45:46
  like really making songs and everything, and so I'm always doing something creative
• 45:51
  and there's always going to be that fear. But like I said, I'm
• 45:54
  always trying to please that one person and then the other person. I'm always
• 45:58
  trying to please myself, like I always. I started DJ because I wanted
• 46:01
  to be the best DJ. I didn't care about anything other than rocking parties.
• 46:06
  I just wanted to rock parties and I wanted people that like when they
• 46:09
  came away, Yo, this dude being he rocks. And that's the same
• 46:14
  way now. Like when I make music, I just want to make the
• 46:15
  best music. So when people are like this is good or this is whack,
• 46:19
  it doesn't matter to me because I'm just like yo, I want to
• 46:21
  make the best and I just want to do everything to the best of my
• 46:23
  ability, and every week and every day, I just want to try and
• 46:27
  get better. And like you said the podcast, like when I go back
• 46:30
  and listen to how we were at the beginning, it's just light years ahead
• 46:35
  and that yeah, it's yeah. I remember when we started. My executive
• 46:39
  producer, my man, Chris Morrow, he was like, Ben, I
• 46:42
  don't know if you can do this, you know, straight up, He's
• 46:44
  like, I don't know if you can be the host because you have no
• 46:45
  energy. You know. He's like he's like, you come on, like
• 46:52
  you know, and that's how it used to be. And I had to
• 46:53
  learn and I had to get the confidence, and it borders on not arrogance,
• 46:59
  but it borders on delusions sometimes. So you have to be like,
• 47:01
  Yo, I'm going to do this, and even if I'm not good at
• 47:06
  it, I'm just going to work and work and work and get better and
• 47:09
  better and better. And like I was watching this show recently, Players,
• 47:13
  and this dude, one of the best video game was on this show and
• 47:16
  he's like, today, I'm the worst I ever was. And that messed
• 47:21
  me up. You know, this dude's like the top league champ and he's
• 47:23
  like, right now, I'm the worst I'll ever be, because tomorrow I'll
• 47:27
  be a little bit better, in a day after that a little bit better.
• 47:29
  And that was like, Yo, that's crazy. But that's the mentality
• 47:32
  that you have to have, and you you know, it's just it's a
• 47:35
  good mentality in life, just to always want to get better at whatever you're
• 47:38
  doing. Early on, I did not feel that I had the sort of
• 47:44
  like professional equipment internally to do a podcast. I had already gone through my
• 47:49
  graduate program, I got a PhD. I was just sort of on a
• 47:52
  track to follow clinical psychology and be in hospital settings and in clinical settings,
• 47:59
  and this idea was really exhilarating, this concept that I could use a platform
• 48:07
  like this to get mental health education to a wider audience, and that with
• 48:15
  the knowledge and skills that I have, it mattered to me to get the
• 48:19
  word out, and it mattered to me that we were doing it through our
• 48:22
  passion and love for geeky things, in particular the Batman universe and comic books
• 48:29
  and media. And that sort of felt like my, I don't know,
• 48:35
  like a north star or a golden thread that I know I started off not
• 48:40
  great and I'm actually being kind to myself right now, not great, and
• 48:50
  I forgive myself for that. I went into a behavioral health field. We
• 48:55
  don't learn how to communicate in public. We don't get any training around entrepreneurship,
• 49:00
  around marketing, around public speaking, communication, any of those things.
• 49:07
  And just like you're saying, I had to use the experience to just get
• 49:12
  better and better and better at it and to have that sort of internal willpower
• 49:16
  and resilience to believe in myself, because that imposter syndrome was like forefront,
• 49:22
  just glaringly present each and every time the microphone was in front of my face.
• 49:27
  And that's something that I think you know, no matter your history,
• 49:30
  your background, what you've been training in, once you start going into podcasting,
• 49:37
  I think all of us are going to have that little bit of nervousness
• 49:38
  of what is this going to sound like when it's out there and what are
• 49:42
  people going to say? And even recently we had a review of someone saying
• 49:45
  that they listened to us so that they could fall asleep, specifically to my
• 49:50
  voice, but that was not a negative. Well now, and I thought,
• 49:53
  Hey, if you're career using my channel to fall asleep and that's helping
• 49:59
  your sleep distress, I love it. I love it. But also every
• 50:04
  thank you, every that's not a negative comment, by the way, but
• 50:08
  every negative comment that we've gotten on our podcast has been about me, and
• 50:15
  uh, every single one. It's all yeah, And I'm okay with that
• 50:22
  because as far as I'm concerned, you're not actually listening to this podcast for
• 50:25
  me, Um, You're listening to it for her and what she has to
• 50:30
  say. So UM, I will take that heap all day long as long
• 50:34
  as you get to say all the stuff you want to say and get that
• 50:37
  science out there. Um, the negativity will absolutely come. They might be
• 50:42
  sincere about it, or they might just be complete assholes, like they're they're
• 50:46
  just looking to put a bad comment on something. And there was a moment
• 50:52
  early on where Dream sort of suggested that the Joker was exhibiting signs of antisocial
• 50:59
  personality disorder, and she described what that meant, and not long after,
• 51:06
  a father wrote into the podcast and said, my son was just diagnosed with
• 51:09
  antisocial personality disorder? Is he going to become the Joker? And Drea instantly
• 51:16
  turned her around and said, absolutely not, and here's why, and here
• 51:21
  are all the things we know about this. Do you have no idea how
• 51:23
  many people have this disorder and are not horrible people? You know, etc.
• 51:30
  And knowing that that happened was enough to make me write her coattails for
• 51:37
  as long as she wants to do this podcast, because the moment she's like,
• 51:40
  oh I said something, someone got concerned, looked at it in the
• 51:45
  real world, and now I get to follow up with what it means is
• 51:49
  like was mind breaking to me. So that's that's worth every negative comment I
• 51:57
  can possibly get. Yeah, I think that's absolutely huge. How you sort
• 52:01
  of focus on the positive aspects of it rather than the negative. And yeah,
• 52:07
  to be able to actually spread information to some people where they might not
• 52:10
  know where to get it initially and have this impact on fathers that are concerned
• 52:15
  for their their children is absolutely, absolutely huge. Another thing I wanted to
• 52:20
  ask, and this was more related to the mental health aspect. I know
• 52:27
  that besides the whole focusing on hateful comments and the whole mentality of wanting to
• 52:34
  be better and continuing to press forward and make your podcast better, make yourself
• 52:38
  better within your presence, I'm curious, how do you all maintain your own
• 52:44
  personal mental health and how do you take steps back to sort of make sure
• 52:47
  you're doing okay as well? Question we're tired, Yeah, he's laughing.
• 52:52
  Later, Yeah, well I'll explain while I'm laughing now. When when I
• 52:54
  thought a question on the sheet, I was crying laughing Because one I take
• 52:59
  breaks, that's straight up. I delete every single social media for my phone.
• 53:02
  I don't keep them on there. A lot of times I've even deleted
• 53:07
  my accounts because, like you were saying, it's a lot of people who
• 53:10
  like we have fans, We have people who come on every week and listen
• 53:15
  to our show. Just to leave a negative comment, and they're there every
• 53:20
  week and I know and I know them, and like at this point,
• 53:24
  you know, like I was even like one dude, like he popped up
• 53:28
  on YouTube and he's there on YouTube every time. And then I finally saw
• 53:31
  him on Facebook and I was like, oh, this is who that is.
• 53:34
  And when you put a face to it, you're like yeah, and
• 53:37
  that's exactly what I said. I was like, oh, it all made
• 53:40
  sense now, dude, and he was like, well, at least you
• 53:43
  know him not on face control. I was like, no, but I
• 53:45
  know who you are and everything you say, because I had already got that
• 53:49
  feeling that everything you said was kind of irrelevant. But now it's like,
• 53:52
  yeah, you're just here just to be mad, you know, that's just
• 53:55
  you. You just want to disagree, and certain people like that and that
• 54:00
  type of thing you try to keep away from. And I just trying to
• 54:05
  use social media and use everything to like the same way I do with the
• 54:07
  show, Like I'm just always the same. I'm gonna try and be as
• 54:12
  positive as I can, try and put positive energy out there all the time.
• 54:15
  But at the same time, I'm not gonna you know, I'm gonna
• 54:17
  say some things that are gonna be controversial, I'll say, And like the
• 54:22
  most recent one that I got in big trouble was when I called John Wick
• 54:27
  a psychopath and a narcissist and a bunch of other things, and people half
• 54:32
  of Twitter had full offense for me. And then like me and top Town
• 54:36
  and we're talking about it, and we're like, a week from now,
• 54:37
  the director or Canna Reeves are gonna come out and agree with you. And
• 54:42
  a week to the day the director was like me and Kann was sitting and
• 54:46
  talk about how psychopathic John Wick is every day on set. And so I
• 54:52
  had to do I ate all those comments from all those people, but and
• 54:55
  then I knew I was right when I first said it, and so just
• 55:00
  you know, you just kind of like, well yeah, And then,
• 55:04
  like I said before, you kind of do have to have an ego at
• 55:06
  certain times, so you kind of have to be like, well, y'all
• 55:07
  are just wrong. You know. It's I find that the the podcasting life
• 55:17
  sort of has you on extremes. So there are days when I feel awful,
• 55:22
  like just like a huge failure. And the imposter syndrome is eleven out
• 55:28
  of ten and I don't think anyone listens to the show and I just want
• 55:31
  to quit. And I look at like the one negative comment, people falling
• 55:35
  this sleep to my voice and a little And then there are days where it's
• 55:42
  the other side of the extreme. You know, everyone should be listening to
• 55:45
  this. There's nothing else out there like this. And in some ways,
• 55:51
  if I were to talk candidly about our mental health, we really it we
• 55:57
  would be better off just in our emotional well being if we live somewhere in
• 56:00
  the middle, or we felt like a sense of that confidence, a sense
• 56:05
  of a healthy identity and knowing that we've made this impact. There are people
• 56:08
  that are going to rely on your show almost for a sense of connection,
• 56:15
  a sense of validation, knowing that you know they're they're hearing their own voice,
• 56:19
  so to speak, in this content, and I think that's encouraging.
• 56:24
  And again, you know, I've said this maybe once or twice, that
• 56:29
  the work is hard. It's exhausting from the beginning to the end. Even
• 56:36
  if you have folks that are on your team helping with editing. I mean
• 56:38
  we actually are a team of two. I just say stuff and from a
• 56:44
  microphone and Brian does a ton of editing and marketing and promotion, and it's
• 56:50
  a lot of hustle, and so I think that the preparation around that is
• 56:53
  knowing how to balance all of that work and when you are feeling exhausted and
• 57:00
  fatigued from it, to kind of take a step back and know you can
• 57:02
  always come back to the microphone. You can. You're you won't be a
• 57:06
  letdown, you won't be a failure if you miss a week or two weeks
• 57:08
  of content. And if you have folks that are are tuned to you and
• 57:15
  like your content anyway, they they'll they'll wait, they'll wait for you,
• 57:19
  and they'll be committed to your work. I want else to say that the
• 57:23
  cognition of understanding that years and years ago I work in video and there was
• 57:32
  an understanding that radio is a passive audience. The reason that you listen to
• 57:38
  your favorite video station, and um, you keep hearing the same people call
• 57:43
  in, and I say, oh, Charlie, bas for calling it again.
• 57:46
  Oh Susie. They most people at the time, it was like ninety
• 57:55
  eight percent. Ninety eight percent of people listen into your radio station aren't polls.
• 58:01
  They are never going to leave them a comment on your Facebook page.
• 58:07
  They are never going to leave them a tweet, They're never they're never going
• 58:09
  to talk about it because to them, you're simply listening to their favorite radio
• 58:14
  show. Um. Not everyone who listens to your podcast is going to take
• 58:20
  time out of their day to go leave a review or to go leave a
• 58:22
  comment. And understanding that is important because for all the negative that you might
• 58:30
  hear, there are so many people who didn't even comment like they they loved
• 58:36
  it and it didn't It didn't affect them enough to make them go, get
• 58:40
  me to a computer, right and you to lieve a comment now and you're
• 58:46
  like, well, and even if it did make that person to do that,
• 58:50
  you then go, this is working. I did it that that person
• 58:54
  felt something in that moment and they felt the need to write something good and
• 59:00
  bad whatever. It doesn't matter. The majority of the people who are listening
• 59:02
  to you are never going to interact with you, and it's it's unfortunate.
• 59:07
  It's sad because we would want as many people to interact with us it's humanly
• 59:09
  possible. But the fact that the numbers are still there and the numbers grow
• 59:14
  means that you're doing something right. And that's just something you have to keep
• 59:17
  in mind even when you're feeling at your lowest. Oh, more people listen
• 59:22
  this week than last week. Must be doing something right. So yeah,
• 59:29
  I absolutely love it. And and that's sort of what I wanted to to
• 59:31
  segue into it, Doctor Jay. I really liked how you talked about sort
• 59:36
  of the ebbs and flows of some days you feel really bad, some days
• 59:38
  you feel really good, and you're able to pull some of these more like
• 59:43
  numbers out of the out of the case, some of the comments, some
• 59:45
  of the interactions that you're receiving. I know I can speak for all of
• 59:50
  us when I say we also go through ebbs and flows in our own lives,
• 59:54
  and some days we don't want to go to class, and some days
• 59:57
  we don't want to be the boss of all of the as life people.
• 1:00:01
  But yeah, and it's all about the balance and finding the good and finding
• 1:00:06
  the community within your own area. So I think that's actually huge, And
• 1:00:10
  I did want to open it up to the rest of the people here for
• 1:00:13
  questions. Um sort of stemming up, Yeah, I actually did have a
• 1:00:15
  question, so something that I'm just curious about. You've all alluded to it
• 1:00:20
  multiple times that you're talking as your personality or identity as a podcaster, and
• 1:00:27
  like someone who listens to podcasts, especially like um like Hidden Brain and you
• 1:00:31
  know um Sean kurb I would never be able to pick that person out from
• 1:00:37
  a crowd of like I saw them in person, and so I am curious
• 1:00:39
  to know how do you bring your identity your personality into podcasting, as in,
• 1:00:49
  like you, is there anything specifically that you do during podcasts that show
• 1:00:52
  us is like this is my trademark or this is like the things that I
• 1:00:55
  do that like if I was to do that in person person, Yeah,
• 1:01:02
  everyone's saying my laugh and that's just natural. I laugh a lot. I've
• 1:01:06
  always been a person who's always laughing and smiling. And well, I have
• 1:01:09
  two things. I'm either laughing or smiling or I'm looking at you like I
• 1:01:13
  want to kill you. Those are like my two expressions. That's all I
• 1:01:15
  got. And so I think, like I think both. Yeah, there's
• 1:01:22
  been situations and I think it goes back to what I was saying about just
• 1:01:25
  being yourself because it and it is like that's something that is um really interesting
• 1:01:32
  about the fandom of podcasting, right, Like I've been a DJ, I've
• 1:01:37
  been a public person. For most of my life, I've never experienced the
• 1:01:43
  level of fandom that I've experienced from podcasting. Like I've had people walcome to
• 1:01:47
  me and start shaking, you know, like they were literally shaky. And
• 1:01:53
  it's crazy to me because I'm just like, yeah, I'm just talking,
• 1:01:57
  dude, you know, That's all I do is talk. But the familiarity
• 1:02:01
  with people, the amount of time you'll spend hearing somebody's voice, it creates
• 1:02:07
  this bomb that's different. So I don't think you really have to do anything
• 1:02:09
  that's special other than just be your authent itself because when you're like you were
• 1:02:15
  saying, it's like, and like Andrea said it to us, it's like
• 1:02:17
  you're really just hearing, like the people who are really loving you are really
• 1:02:23
  there's this meme about it where it's this kid eating ice cream that's Cities Girls
• 1:02:28
  or it's like an advertisement of girls eating ice cream and the kids eating ice
• 1:02:31
  cream and the girls on the ad or eating ice cream and everybody's happy,
• 1:02:35
  and that's all this. It's just like people are they just want to find
• 1:02:37
  someone who's like, oh, someone else is thinking about the psychology of Batman,
• 1:02:43
  you know, that's what it is. It's like someone else is thinking
• 1:02:45
  about it, and that person is out there talking about it, so now
• 1:02:49
  I can listen to them and I can agree or I can disagree. But
• 1:02:52
  it's I found my tribe, you know, I found my vibe, and
• 1:02:54
  that's what people are looking for. So if you're just your authent itself,
• 1:02:58
  there's someone look for that out there. I have a very specific answer to
• 1:03:02
  this because for the first few years I wasn't using my real name, and
• 1:03:07
  so I was using all my social media. I had a moniker kind of
• 1:03:10
  like a comic book name, and I remember I will never forget, like
• 1:03:17
  finally using my picture on social media, and the first comment of God was,
• 1:03:22
  oh, I did not think you looked like that, And I realized
• 1:03:27
  and you can interpret that a bunch of different ways, but I actually felt
• 1:03:30
  more empowered to be present and be out there with who I am. And
• 1:03:37
  I think that for just speaking from my experience as an underrepresented person in the
• 1:03:43
  field of clinical science, in many of the spaces that I'm in, as
• 1:03:46
  a mixed race latinext person, as a woman, I find that I do
• 1:03:51
  have to use and find pathways that are a little less traditional ways that I
• 1:03:57
  can find voice empowerment ability, and I did not want my own brand to
• 1:04:03
  erase me, and so I found ways that like, this is the platform
• 1:04:08
  where I'm just going to be as authentic as I can be. And Brian
• 1:04:12
  will probably remember times when I would say on the show, Oh, don't
• 1:04:15
  say that. Don't say where I grew up, or what you know,
• 1:04:19
  how many siblings I have, or where I went to school. And then
• 1:04:21
  over the years, I've gotten more comfortable with being as open in public.
• 1:04:27
  And I think a lot of that too, comes from the field of healthcare,
• 1:04:32
  which tells you, like, don't especially as a counselor psychologist, therapist,
• 1:04:38
  we're taught you don't want people to know where you live, who you
• 1:04:41
  are, what you care about. You're supposed to be a blank slate.
• 1:04:45
  And I subverted a lot of those trainings sort of in a new view around
• 1:04:49
  this, which is like, I think I'm actually more helpful as a counselor
• 1:04:54
  if I'm more authentic. And that's kind of how I worked through the anonymity
• 1:04:59
  of podcasting and putting my person out there, my identity out there with my
• 1:05:04
  voice. As I was listening to everybody answer, I was just going back
• 1:05:10
  to your question and then it made me think, well, what type of
• 1:05:14
  show or product or whatever you trying to make? Right are you? Do
• 1:05:17
  you want to be an actor? Do you want to build a persona where
• 1:05:21
  I don't know, you're super usial and you're flying all over campus someplace,
• 1:05:25
  right? Or are you trying to be right? Are you trying as you
• 1:05:30
  keep saying, authentic self? Authentic self? Are you trying to Hey,
• 1:05:33
  I'm really good at model cars and I know everything about it, and I
• 1:05:38
  can tell you from a very distinct and unique perspective and sometimes even entertaining perspective
• 1:05:43
  because you're you have fun with it, right. I think that's much more
• 1:05:46
  easier to maintain than doing a character right, because then, as I mentioned,
• 1:05:50
  you're getting more into like you're acting, You're trying to be this thing,
• 1:05:55
  you know, even beyond a persona, you're like this thing because then
• 1:05:58
  entity then starts building and getting out trolled things like that. But I think
• 1:06:01
  that's kind of like the first question you want to ask yourself, right,
• 1:06:03
  like, what what are you trying to get across? Are you? Sometimes
• 1:06:06
  it is maybe it's a fiction based podcasting. You are this character and you
• 1:06:10
  are building this storyline behind it. That's fine, but understand can you maintain
• 1:06:15
  that right because it does get to be it gets rough after a while.
• 1:06:19
  And and one thing that Betem and I sayed each other saying about when we
• 1:06:24
  listening to other people, especially like when we're on panels and things like this,
• 1:06:28
  like and in big public spaces where there's loss of talking. If you
• 1:06:30
  know about it, speak on it. If you don't be quiet, like
• 1:06:35
  you don't have to speak and gap your voice out there just to be part
• 1:06:39
  of the crowd, right like, if it's if it's for you, it
• 1:06:42
  will be there for you, right like. And that that's part of being
• 1:06:45
  authentic, right like, you know about that stuff, speak on it,
• 1:06:47
  you know, if you don't really know, don't just throw your you know,
• 1:06:50
  coin in it because you feel like you want to just be part of
• 1:06:53
  the group, right Like. I think that that's also something just understanding.
• 1:06:57
  Where do you want to be in your show, your podcast, whatever that
• 1:06:59
  is. I'm good, Thank you appreciated, sweet, Yeah, we're there.
• 1:07:05
  Any other questions, Yes, she didn't want to jump up. HELLI
• 1:07:15
  everyone, um I it was more like a small fun question. But what
• 1:07:20
  was your favorite episode or segment that you have ever recorded on each of your
• 1:07:25
  individual podcast or even your favorite memory that you've recorded on your podcast. That's
• 1:07:30
  an awesome question. M. Challenging. Yeah, there's a lot, like
• 1:07:40
  hundreds of hundreds and hundreds M. And we laugh a lot. We laugh
• 1:07:45
  in like every episode it's about something foolish. Uh, maybe an all Star
• 1:07:50
  episode. I mean recently talking about the Mandalorian sex lives was like one of
• 1:07:56
  my faith That was like, this is why I started the show, was
• 1:08:00
  to discuss why how terrible the Mandalorian sex lives must be because they never take
• 1:08:04
  their helmets off and so it must take it be. Look, I'm a
• 1:08:12
  person who lights using you know, have you tried it? You If I
• 1:08:15
  can't use my mouth with it, you know, if someone else can't use
• 1:08:18
  their mouth with it, you know what is no? No, this is
• 1:08:21
  clank it. This is terrible. So that was like, you know,
• 1:08:27
  that was a moment for me, Like sadly, it was like one of
• 1:08:30
  those like this is my life, but also this is my life you know
• 1:08:33
  moments. So yeah, so the here you go. I you know,
• 1:08:40
  our show sometimes can get pretty serious because we might be you know, we'll
• 1:08:44
  start with like, okay, Bruce Wayne is like putting on a disguise and
• 1:08:48
  going out into the Gotham city pretending that he's an houseless person in order to
• 1:08:54
  getting talent. Like you know, we'll we'll talk about anything from head trauma
• 1:08:59
  to samnia, to anti social personality disorder to gone violence. We really do
• 1:09:04
  get into these these very serious topics. But I do think that the ones
• 1:09:10
  that kind of become highlights in my memory is when we're laughing and having fun
• 1:09:15
  and realizing like, wow, we're going to put the show out there and
• 1:09:17
  I just said this thing that's I don't know, kind of wild, and
• 1:09:24
  that's that's kind of the joy of podcasting is the those highlights that sort of
• 1:09:29
  make you feel like, yeah, that that that was fun. That was
• 1:09:30
  a fun one um. And similarly, when we were covering Phantom Menace,
• 1:09:35
  I think there were lots of highlights there of unpacking the ridiculousness of the writing
• 1:09:42
  and having moments of loving and ipe loving a character, loving a story.
• 1:09:48
  Because I you know, I have Star Wars, I have a Star Wars
• 1:09:53
  Star Wars tattoo, Like I clearly love Star Wars, but I can find
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  the comfort of our show to talk plainly about the impact that that has has
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  had on me as well as the criticisms and the judgment that we might put
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  out there on the show. I do appreciate me that the times that we
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  will literally look at one another as we're talking, I feel like you're probably
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  the exact same way. UM, and I just know about to say something
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  that we're going to get there. Yeah, privileged, and then you go
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  those your team, UM, and we're just laughing together. Um. But
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  then I think my all time favorite might be and I reserved the right to
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  change this later, um might be. At Comic Con, we did a
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  panel with Paul Deane and Alan Burnett, who were basically known for being the
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  anybody who wrote deep writing on on Batman. It was Paul Deane and Alan
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  Burnt and we had them on our panel and we we just talked minutes about
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  stuff that no one harasps them about, and that was something that was very
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  special to us. And then Paul's wife ended up marrying us, not at
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  that panel, but um, but now Paul's signature is on our wedding certificates
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  and that's that's like that would not have happened had we not had our podcast.
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  So yeah, no, I absolutely love it. I think that's crazy,
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  and I love how you can cherish some of these super valuable moments,
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  some more humorous, some more serious, but both holding an insane amount of
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  value and kind of speaks to the whole podcast itself and how much these podcasts
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  can mean to some people and some of your listeners. Um, but yeah,
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  we are wrapping up just because we are kind of getting down close to
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  the wire on time. But I would just love I know everybody's very appreciative
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  for all four of you coming out. I'd love to hear around the pause.
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  Nuts and welcome back, y'all. We hope you enjoy that fire conversation on
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  that we had. But I meet is actually showing off a nice gift he
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  received. Let me tell us what that is. Yes, yes, you
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  know we all we were at the panel. Thank y'all, we're listening to
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  that. I hope y'all enjoy that. Got a lot of gems right there.
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  And once again, thank you to doctor Drea and to Brian for bringing
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  us out there, for flying as flew in us out there because it was
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  such a beautiful experience, had us up in the butter Hotel over uclamps.
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  It was fantastic. Man. It was those one university in that tower.
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  And you know the campus is for uc LA. I almost went to UCLA
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  on a Yeah. I was in between their USC and a black school.
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  You know, it was to be one of the schools in Cali or a
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  black school. That's always you know, because it was filling more black.
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  So after the panel, that's what I ended up doing, baby, you
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  know. Added the panel, we a doctor Drea and Brian gifted me.
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  If you're watching this on twitch, side tv slash for All Nerds or on
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  YouTube for All Nerds, you can see right now what they gifted me.
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  This is probably a challenge challenge coin and on one side it features both of
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  them and their podcast, The Arkham Sessions, yeah, their charactertures, and
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  the other side it features the one and only Batman with a slogan the Doctor
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  Drea has adopted about him saying he's doing the best with what he's been given,
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  which is everything, and he's still ain't doing it. So you know,
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  it's great and a challenge point is given you. It started as a
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  military thing and it's given to people. Basically you carry it around with you
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  and then like if members of your unit see you and they're like, yo,
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  where's your coin? You know, everybody got to present the coin at
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  once, and it's also something given to people to mind themselves to like do
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  a good d daily. You know, you carry the rude in your pocket
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  and then move it to one pocket after you've done your good deed for the
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  day, move from left to the right or something like that. So and
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  it's just like, and she said, because she knows that, you know,
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  I've lived a life and have been through a lot in my life,
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  and she just wanted to give me something to remind me to keep going and
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  everything. And doctor Trey is just fucking awesome. Yeah, and I was,
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  Damn, they're crying right then, and I'm them they're gonna cry again.
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  So thank you, doctor Treya, Thank you Brian, thank you for
• 1:15:53
  bringing us out there to UCLA. Thank you for that panel, thank you
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  for everything. Man, go make sure you'll go follow and subscribe to the
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  Yeah. They are incredible fucking people. Yes man, great great teens,
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