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The Late Debate | 29 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: When gentleman, Welcome to the Late Debase. Good evening and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with freyer Leitch
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  Speaker 1: and Jamie Rodgers. Here's what's coming up tonight. Now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I hate self service checkouts.
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  Speaker 1: I think they I deserve sorry to be paid if
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do the job for them. Quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: where was my Christmas bonus from Cole's? But apparently they
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  Speaker 1: encourage people to buy more. We will discuss the psychology
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  Speaker 1: of all that soon. Donald Trump has an unusual ally
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  Speaker 1: in the rapper Nicki Minaj and he's hung a photo
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  Speaker 1: of himself with Vladimir Putin in the White House. Truth
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  Speaker 1: truly is stranger than fiction. And the day that South
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  Speaker 1: Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis became a secret agent, the police
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  Speaker 1: fitted him with a wire and sent him into an
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  Speaker 1: undercover meeting. That blockbuster story on the front of tomorrow's advertiser.
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  Speaker 1: But first, how do you feel about a four day
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  Speaker 1: work week? Chances are you feel pretty good about the
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  Speaker 1: idea of a four day work week. Why would you
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  Speaker 1: not because it means you get a day off. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk for a moment about the practicalities of a
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  Speaker 1: four day work week, because one council in Australia, a
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  Speaker 1: Lone Cyston Council down in Tasmania, has put to its
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  Speaker 1: staff that it will agree to a four day work week.
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  Speaker 1: This had been a request of the union, the ASU,
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  Speaker 1: the Australian Services Union. The council has now said they
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  Speaker 1: are on board with it and so the staff will
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  Speaker 1: be able to vote on this in a matter of
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  Speaker 1: weeks and presumably they will become the first council in
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  Speaker 1: the country to allow all its staff to work for
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  Speaker 1: just four days. Now this is four days on full pay,
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  Speaker 1: so they're just cutting a day out, they're cutting eight
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  Speaker 1: hours of a full hour week out. They will work
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  Speaker 1: thirty hours a week for exactly the same pay as
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  Speaker 1: they were on before. In fact probably more pay because
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  Speaker 1: they'll get to pay rise in the process. Sam Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: who is the chief executive of the lawn Cesston City Council,
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  Speaker 1: who I remember from Adelaide used to run Burnside Council
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  Speaker 1: when I was down there. But he said, this is
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  Speaker 1: a bold and progressive proposal that recognizes the changing nature
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  Speaker 1: of work and the importance of well being productivity and
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  Speaker 1: sustainability in the public sector. A four day week on
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  Speaker 1: full pay with improved allowances and leave entitlements would deliver
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  Speaker 1: real benefits for our people as well as improved service
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  Speaker 1: delivery for the community we serve. Now, look might ask
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  Speaker 1: the question, if you can get five days worth of
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  Speaker 1: work done in four days, do we need to be
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  Speaker 1: paying you for five days at all. That's between you
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  Speaker 1: and your employer, And to be frank, if you're in
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  Speaker 1: the private sector, I don't care what you and your
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  Speaker 1: employer come to. That's a matter between you and your boss.
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  Speaker 1: Come to whatever agreement you want. But we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: rate payers money here, and there are some jobs that
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  Speaker 1: do require you to be there physically in order to
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  Speaker 1: get something done. You're working in the office pushing paper around.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you can get your five days of
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  Speaker 1: work done in four but what about the receptionist who
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  Speaker 1: will now be able to work four days a week
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  Speaker 1: on Fridays we don't answer phones the lon Cistern City
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  Speaker 1: Council and well, no, of course it won't work like that,
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  Speaker 1: so they'll have to hire more people, it'll cost more money.
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  Speaker 1: What about the cleansing team. These are the people who
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  Speaker 1: go around with the street sweepers and do the cleaning
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  Speaker 1: in the city after a big night on a Saturday
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't think they can simply say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I cleaned it on Thursday instead, be damned what happens
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  Speaker 1: on the weekend. The work has to be done. So
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  Speaker 1: surely all this means is that people who work in offices,
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  Speaker 1: who are sort of bludging about a bit anyway, they
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  Speaker 1: get a great deal and then everyone else presume, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, they're going to work over time, like, surely
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  Speaker 1: this just costs more money. Do you actually get anything
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  Speaker 1: more for it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely not. It's just a twenty percent pay rise
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  Speaker 2: with no extra productivity or work hours. That is all.
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  Speaker 2: This is work less time and get paid the same.
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  Speaker 2: But keep in mind, this is really ridiculous because anyone
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  Speaker 2: can have a four day work week if they want.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to work part time and take a
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  Speaker 2: pay cut. But to demand that you get to work
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  Speaker 2: four days a week but still be entitled to the
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  Speaker 2: same pay, it's just not how it works. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: was a deal between the union controlled council employees. They're
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  Speaker 2: renegotiating their enterprise bargaining agreement. But what about the rate payers.
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  Speaker 2: What about their consent to this new agreement? Do they
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  Speaker 2: get any say in the matter. Absolutely not Yet they
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  Speaker 2: are copying in this council above CPI rate increases, so
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  Speaker 2: they're the ones funding this. They get no say in
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  Speaker 2: the deal at all, and they have to suffer with
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  Speaker 2: reduced services. And what's going to happen. You can see
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  Speaker 2: it already. They're going to go down to four days
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  Speaker 2: and then they're going to say, you know, we really
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  Speaker 2: could do this work in three days, and we're just
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  Speaker 2: going to get lazier and lazier. It's a discipline issue.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't think you are truly working five days
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  Speaker 2: a week and you're getting paid for five days of work,
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  Speaker 2: that's your problem. That is a discipline issue. Doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: you should just work less, It actually means you should
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  Speaker 2: work more.
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  Speaker 3: I just feel as though nowadays no one wants to work.
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  Speaker 3: It's an enormous issue. We've seen productivity is at are
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  Speaker 3: sixty year low within this country and no real solutions
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  Speaker 3: on how to fix the issue that we're in. And
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  Speaker 3: then councils like the City of Loncestern decide to reduce
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  Speaker 3: their work hours to four days and thirty hours and
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  Speaker 3: yet they have to throw in there they still get
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  Speaker 3: a pay rise, and that they still get really good benefits.
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  Speaker 4: What I also find interesting is there's.
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  Speaker 3: Six hundred counciled employees, six hundred of them, which seems
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  Speaker 3: rather excessive to me in a way. So perhaps so
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  Speaker 3: maybe we cut some of these roles and you get
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  Speaker 3: more salary in that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that this is an sense of entitlement
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  Speaker 3: is unbelievable, and that you actually think it's okay to
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  Speaker 3: be taking taxpayers money that they are going hard and
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  Speaker 3: working for to then you go.
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  Speaker 2: And have a really nice and easy life.
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  Speaker 3: On a four day working week top dollar and still
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  Speaker 3: getting billion in all your entitlements.
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  Speaker 4: I just think it's it's just outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: And to be fair, there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who put in hard physical labor at councilors do the
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  Speaker 1: garden they do and all listens of stuff, right, they're
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  Speaker 1: also going to be on this four day work week again,
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  Speaker 1: many of them in jobs that just really aren't suited
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  Speaker 1: to a four day work week, And lots of councils
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  Speaker 1: already have deals where you have longer days built into
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  Speaker 1: your existing weeks, and then you get naudio once a
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  Speaker 1: fortnite and all this sort of stuff to deal with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there is a lot of physical labor
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  Speaker 1: that just has to be done at certain times. You
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  Speaker 1: need people to work over time on Sunday morning because
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  Speaker 1: people come through for a night on the terps on
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  Speaker 1: a Saturday and they rip plants out of plant bits.
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  Speaker 1: This is just the stuff that goes on in the
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  Speaker 1: running of a council. But what about when I want
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  Speaker 1: to check up with my planning application and I call
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  Speaker 1: it the planning department and they say, oh, sorry, planning
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  Speaker 1: department is closed on Fridays.
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  Speaker 4: What's going to happen Friday?
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  Speaker 2: And the other problem is the precedent that this sets.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian Services Union, who are one of the main
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  Speaker 2: backers of this deal, they've said they want this rolled
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  Speaker 2: out everywhere. So once once Counsel starts doing it, you
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  Speaker 2: can bet more will follow well. Another trend taking over
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  Speaker 2: in the private sector and some government departments and universities
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  Speaker 2: is paid leave for gender affirming care. So if you
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  Speaker 2: are an employee one of these businesses, you can say
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  Speaker 2: you identify as transgender and you need to take leave
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  Speaker 2: to deal with things like changing your pronouns, changing your ID,
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  Speaker 2: changing your I guess, surgically changing parts of your body
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  Speaker 2: as well. Some of the businesses that offer paid leave
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  Speaker 2: are at Combank, the ABC, the Victorian State Government, Woolworths
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  Speaker 2: and Coals and an example of how generous this leave
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  Speaker 2: is at A and Z you get six weeks of
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  Speaker 2: paid gender affirming care leave and then twelve months of
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  Speaker 2: unpaid leave. But my real question is with this is
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  Speaker 2: what is stopping someone from saying their trands, saying they
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  Speaker 2: need to go on gender affirming care leave and then
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  Speaker 2: just not. I mean, how are they going to check?
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  Speaker 4: Are they gonna don't you come back a different gender?
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  Speaker 4: What's how they were check?
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  Speaker 2: What if you decided to de transition and you changed
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  Speaker 2: your mind at the last minute. I mean, how can
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  Speaker 2: they police this?
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  Speaker 1: It's the medically transition either No, could you just say
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  Speaker 1: I'm burdened next day, I'm not ginder fluid.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also for mental health, so if you're dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the mental health consequences of being gender diverse, you
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  Speaker 2: can take this paid leave as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced they do this for two reasons. One is
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  Speaker 1: because they think it's a pretty clever way to boost
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  Speaker 1: the number of females in the workplace, alleged females, because
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  Speaker 1: they don't actually have to hire any more women. They
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  Speaker 1: just turn the men that they've got into women and
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  Speaker 1: they say, look, we've fixed the gender equality problem and
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  Speaker 1: we've fixed the gender pay gap. At the same time, No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't really do it for that reason. I think
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  Speaker 1: the reason they do this is because the corporate structure requires,
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  Speaker 1: in this day and age, that you look like you
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  Speaker 1: are doing something to the outside world to fix all
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  Speaker 1: the world's problems. Right, so they virtue signal. And this
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  Speaker 1: is a great way to virtue signal because how many
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  Speaker 1: staff actually take up gender affirming care Like it'll be
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  Speaker 1: in a company like Combank, oran Z or the ABC
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  Speaker 1: or wherever. It would be a minuscule number of people
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  Speaker 1: who are taking this up. So they get to walk around,
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  Speaker 1: beat their chests and we're getting.
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  Speaker 5: Our ESG points. Look at that's how inclusive and wonderful
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  Speaker 5: we are.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they've probably got two people taking advantage of what
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty generous leave. It should be noted. So
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  Speaker 1: they ticked the box, no problem, all done next when
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  Speaker 1: really they're not actually doing anything at all.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're spot on Caleb, that's exactly I agree with
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  Speaker 3: you there. And in reading the report, it's millennials and
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  Speaker 3: gen z. They like to see that a workplace is
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  Speaker 3: perceived to be inclusive and socially responsible. So for them,
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  Speaker 3: if they look online, they're like, oh, they have gender
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  Speaker 3: affirming care leave, they might be an inclusive place to go.
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  Speaker 1: I always taking it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go and go.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was applying for a job and they
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  Speaker 2: said they had gender affirming gal I would withdraw my
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  Speaker 2: application because that is a red flag.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so how many things do you give special leave for?
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  Speaker 1: Like why is this in a special basket? We have
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  Speaker 1: sick leave, and we'll talk a bit more about sick
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  Speaker 1: leave in the newspapers. You won't believe just how many
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  Speaker 1: sick days public servants are taking compared to people in
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  Speaker 1: the private sector. But you get ten days of sickly
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  Speaker 1: built into most contracts anyway, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is yeah, which is two days.
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  Speaker 1: You know that is there for medical purposes. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to go to the doctor, go to go to hospital
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. You use your sickly for that. And most
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  Speaker 1: employers I think are pretty reasonable anyway that like if
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  Speaker 1: something happens and you end up in the hospital for
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  Speaker 1: five weeks and you can't work. They're not going to
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  Speaker 1: sack you for it, right, They just understand that things
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  Speaker 1: go wrong sometimes. So why do you create a special
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  Speaker 1: form of leave for a special form of alleged medical care.
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  Speaker 1: Why isn't the care that I may need at some
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  Speaker 1: point for something else more special than being transgender?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this spot on, And I actually have got a
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  Speaker 3: friend who's going through some cancer treatment and she was
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  Speaker 3: flagging about how it's really hard because you can't take
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  Speaker 3: big chunks off work. But then in this case they
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  Speaker 3: get six weeks or twelve months of unpaid leaf.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to know what these businesses, what are
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  Speaker 2: their maternity leave policies as well, because it pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean six weeks of paid leave for gender affirming care.
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  Speaker 2: Just add that to what your female employees get when
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  Speaker 2: they're having a baby. That's a much better outcome. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually useful, promotes good values. I just I just think
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  Speaker 2: this is another example of corporates trying to virtue signal.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a topic that I am really interested
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  Speaker 3: to get both of your thoughts, and for all of
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  Speaker 3: you watching at home self service terminals, do you go
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  Speaker 3: and spend more when you are buying your whether it's
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  Speaker 3: McDonald's or check out at the groceries, Do you spend
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  Speaker 3: more when you're there because it doesn't judge you well.
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  Speaker 3: According to some of the data, sixty one percent of
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  Speaker 3: customers do spend more when they're standing at a terminal
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  Speaker 3: than if they're at a till, and increase the amount
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  Speaker 3: that they spend per order by as much as forty percent.
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  Speaker 3: And it is down to things like, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: not feeling judged. So if you're at McDonald's and they
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  Speaker 3: say do you want to upsize? When you're standing there
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  Speaker 3: face to face, people then feel uncomfor people and say no.
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  Speaker 3: But if they're at the terminal, they can just quickly
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  Speaker 3: do it and no one really can see. And when
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  Speaker 3: you're picking up your order or things like when you
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  Speaker 3: are going through the ordering process, it's constantly giving you
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  Speaker 3: prompts to add more to your basket, so you're enticed
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  Speaker 3: to then add more to it. And also with the pictures,
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  Speaker 3: it makes a lot more enticing to go and add
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  Speaker 3: to the cart. I actually when I was reading this
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  Speaker 3: article and I thought, yeah, I'm one of these people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm also a marketer's dream I should add in there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm terrible when we sit in that makeup room and
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  Speaker 3: it's got the shopping channel on, I'm terrible. So anything
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  Speaker 3: that's adding a prompt for me to go and add
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  Speaker 3: to my cart, I probably will.
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  Speaker 1: What the hell we showing the shopping channel and the makeup.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, but I can understand why people do this.
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  Speaker 3: Or if you're at McDonald's, you might just quickly add
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  Speaker 3: in the doughnut that they include with your drink, but
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  Speaker 3: if someone was standing there in person, you might not
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  Speaker 3: do it. So I can see why customers would be
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  Speaker 3: spending more at a terminal versus until shows.
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  Speaker 1: You what I know. I mean, I like, do you
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  Speaker 1: call it a terminal? I'd wish they were bloody terminal
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  Speaker 1: these things and they disappeared, because I feel less encouraged
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  Speaker 1: to spend money when I'm looking at a self service checkout.
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  Speaker 1: I'd much prefer to deal with a person. Self service
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  Speaker 1: checkouts are no more efficient than going to a proper checkout.
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  Speaker 1: They are marginally more efficient now because they've ripped out
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  Speaker 1: all the real checkouts, so you've got no choice. If
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  Speaker 1: you go to the man checkout, you've got to stand
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  Speaker 1: by On fifteen other people in order to use it.
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  Speaker 1: But they've actually supermarkets over in the US over the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years, they've actually been ripping out a
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  Speaker 1: lot of their self service terminals because they found that
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  Speaker 1: customers didn't particularly like them, and they didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: serious improvement in customer flow when they looked at the numbers,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: because the things go bing and bong, and you get
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  Speaker 1: something wrong and then someone's going to come and fix it,
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  Speaker 1: and then they had to employ the staff to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And then they worked out that they were losing money
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  Speaker 1: because people were stealing everything because they were ringing up there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Charlotte's's carrots and all this sort of business, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's not been a total success. But this
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  Speaker 1: point about people will spend more and they feel less
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  Speaker 1: judged doesn't work for me. If I am standing at
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  Speaker 1: a counter and the woman says to me, and then
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  Speaker 1: you go to the airport and they charge you seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars for a beer and you're standing there and
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  Speaker 1: it is I'll have a schooner, and then she says
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  Speaker 1: something like, oh, well, you know, you can make it
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  Speaker 1: a pint for two dollars extra, and I go, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just tell it because it's a person is confronting
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  Speaker 1: me about it's a machine. Feel uncomfortable a machine. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care the machine asked me, But if a
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  Speaker 1: person says it to me, I'm kind of like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to let you do.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to be so real right now. If
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  Speaker 2: someone said if I was ordering at McDonald's and someone said,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to upgrade to a large, I would
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  Speaker 2: say no, I'm fine. But if it's just a prompt
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  Speaker 2: on a screen, of course I'm upgrading. And then they
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  Speaker 2: tell you it only cost an extra ninety cents, well,
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  Speaker 2: how can I say no at that point? So I
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  Speaker 2: think it totally makes sense psychologically if you remove that
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  Speaker 2: judgment factor. I mean, I've had people. I went to
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  Speaker 2: a Polish cafe once and I was with my husband
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  Speaker 2: and we ordered breakfast, and the waitress, in her sort
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  Speaker 2: of Eastern European bluntness, I guess, just goes, do you
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  Speaker 2: think you have enough food there? And literally called us
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  Speaker 2: out but just we won't. We didn't even order that much.
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  Speaker 2: So honestly, that starred me for life. I love self
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  Speaker 2: service and I love that you're not judged.
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  Speaker 1: Ah dear Dede, I just wish we could go back
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  Speaker 1: to a world that I wish I'd lived in. Anyway,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: never mind speaking of wishing for somewhere to live. This
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  Speaker 1: poor family, they live in the Port Macquarie region. They
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  Speaker 1: have applied for get your head around this, one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty three separate rental properties and been refused for
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: all of them. And you're probably sitting in home thinking, geez,
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  Speaker 1: what are they slobs? What's wrong with them? What's the
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: go here? They're a family, you know, mum and dad.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: They've got four kids. The husband is the care for
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: his mother. So they're family, five six seven people right,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: And they have been living in a property for a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: while around Portmancquarie and they complained about the fireplace which
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: needed to be fixed. They made multiple complaints about the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: fireplace and it never got fixed. So they decided to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: go to ENCAT, which is the Civil and Administrative Tribunal
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: in New South Wales as is there as a tenant
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to try and have something done about this fireplace. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: in response, the landlord said, you're being evicted so I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: can do the work on the house and then I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: want to do other personal things with it. So you've
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: got to go elsewhere. And they have put in one
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty three applications, all of which have been denied.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: This woman says because Amanda Jarek is her name, because
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it's got around town that she took the last landlord
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: to in Cat and she's spoken to agents and all
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the agents have said, look that there's nothing wrong with
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: your application, your good tenants, but the landlords just don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: want to take the risk because you've taken someone to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in Catch, which kind of proves the point. And I'm
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a landlord. I say this as a landlord myself, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I try to be a decent landlord, and in the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: past I've not put the rent up because you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the good tenants. I'd rather keep a good tenant than
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: churn it over. But if you're not doing something that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: ought to be done with your property, the tenant is
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: within their rights to go and do something about it,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and to then sort of turn around and have this
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: form of retribution where you then basically cannot get a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: roof over your head. And this family's poor family is
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: now having to look at like crisis homeless accommodation for
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: somewhere to live. I just find absolutely absurd. It kind
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of proves just how bad the cost of living in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: housing crisis is in this country because the landlords can
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: so can be that picking and choosy that someone does
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: one thing wrong, you're off for ever.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Sad thing is that this family was saying that some
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: of the properties that they had actually applied to rent,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: that they obviously denied from are still sitting there on
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: the market, so the owners would rather have it vacant
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: than let this poor family come in and rented off them.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I think this story is just devastating and as the
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: mum has rightly pointed out, she never thought that she
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: would be homeless or in this point of her life.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: And I think this does open up a wider discussion
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: of what we should be having in this country. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it is the sheer size of homelessness. You know, there
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: was a recent article on homelessness New South Wales website
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and they had said that since twenty twenty the sleeping
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: rough had increased.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: By fifty percent.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: So it is a wider discussion that we should be
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: having in this country and in New South Wales where
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: this poor family are. But the fact that they can't
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: find somewhere to live and they're going to be living
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: intense and on a proper A friend of theirs owns
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: that they have to dig a hole for a toilet,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: but they've got running what I just think it's it's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: just awful.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also another cost of record high immigration.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: You can't pump millions of extra people into the country
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and just not build any more houses because it does
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: mean the rental market is extremely tight, and when it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that tied, landlords don't feel the need to rent it
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: out to a family like this if they can get
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple with no kids, or a single person,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: or you know someone that they deem lower risk than
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a large family. And it's really sad. And this is
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the human cost of the housing crisis caused by you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: slow planning all of those supply issues but also record demand.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And it's very sad. But something that's also really sad
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is what's going on down in Melbourne in the CBD.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Chapel Street is an iconic nightlife area, lots of bars
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: and clubs, and you know it's bad when venues on
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Chapel Street are closing because of the crime crisis. Directors
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of a number of iconic venues Electric Lala, Land Circus,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Holy Grail. These are up market clubs and bars where
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: celebrities the likes of Dual Lipa have partied there. They
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have had to close the doors on a number of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: venues because they say that foot traffic is down and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: people are simply avoiding Chapel Street because of concerns around safety.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I mean it is just you never really think Chapel
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Street is like the safest place to go, but that's
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: kind of a risk. When you go out, you're going
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to have some fun, but to think the crime crisis
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: is that bad, people don't even want to go to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Chapel Street anymore. Businesses are going bus I mean, Melbourne's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: in a die situation and.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They can't afford to deal with all this crime. Like
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: it's you know, the and the staff that you think, oh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it's a club strips, so I don't know, it's people
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: punching people's lights and so it's like it's just it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: break ins and theft, and like the street is just
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: turning into an unpleasant place to be. So the nightclubs
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have to get more security in and they can't afford that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And then the cost of security goes up at the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: same top. They're absolutely stuffed. I mean, how do you
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: have six nightclubs and bars in one strip and they
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: are still trading, but to all go into administration at
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: roughly the same time gives you a pretty good indication
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: of just how bad things are. Thankfully REVS isn't one
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of them. Revolver. I don't know whether you've ever been
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to REVS. Woh, that's a that's a hell of a place,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you. And if you can get
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: your feet off the sticky floor, it's it's it's a tusk,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: but it's one of those places that, like, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: when everything else is shut at five in the morning,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you sort of end up at Ribs on Chapel Street.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But it really is an indictment on Melbourne that one
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of you know, Australia's best known party strips were killed
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: King's Cross in Sydney. You know, we're sanitizing Hainley Street
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in Adelaide, Chapel Street in Melbourne's going down the clogs?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Where will it in?
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: It's really sad.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I used to love Chapel Street a great place to
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: go out and walk along and some of those venues
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that you just mentioned Freyer, they are spending up to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: fifteen percent of their operational costs are going on security guards.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So that just shows just the increase that they're having
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to pay there. But overall in Victoria, in the last
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: financial year, just under four and a half thousand businesses
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: went insolvent, which is up forty eight percent. But it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: the retail crime that is just going through the roof.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: In twelve months it went up by eighty one percent,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: and that was in July last year that that number
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: has come out.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: But it just.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Shows that there's just no solution on cracking down on
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the crime and as a result, more and more businesses
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: are just continuing to go under and it's just absolutely devastating. Well,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: let's head overseas now to Donald Trump, who is making
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: headlines for a few different reasons today. Let's start with
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: probably the more negative side of things. And there was
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: a picture of him in the White House and he's
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: standing there with Vladimir Putin. We will show you up
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: on the screen what this picture looks like. And it
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: was taken when they were together, when mister Putin and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Trump were in Anchorage, and it was the first time
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that Putin had visited a Western nation since the war
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: in Ukraine in twenty twenty two. But this is such
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: a volatile relationship. There's one point where Trump is saying, oh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he's such a nice man, and then the next one
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: is saying how he was very pissed off with him.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But you certainly wouldn't be happy if you were Ukraine
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: seeing something like that hanging up in the White House,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: especially since yesterday Russia hit Ukraine again and two people
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: had passed away. And I just wonder if Putin has
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: an image of Trump hanging up in his office. But
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I know that Trump is just constantly making headlines. But
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: one thing is Russia's key negotiator did say they welcomed
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: the news, saying good a picture is worth one thousand words.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Not the sort of thing you want to be hearing
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: coming from a Russian negotiator.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, look, we all know Trump sort of does
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: diplomacy very differently, and he sort of I mean, we've
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: just seen what he did with Greenland, right, which is
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you come in with this amber claim, which is, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this is the worst case scenario. I'm going to take
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Greenland militarily, and then you go off and NATO turns
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: around and they go, ah, but what about this, And
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: then Trump goes, yes, I was never going to do that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: We've got another I've fixed it all up. I've got
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: so so. Trump just does the most wild stuff and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: then turns around and says, I never was going to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: do the wild thing, but we've come to another agreement.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Same thing as he did with tariffs with Mexico and stuff.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll slap the tariff on and then Mexico says, well,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: we'll stop people coming through, and then all of a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: sudden the tariff disappears. Hopefully that is what this is,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a sort of you know, suck up moment to try
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: He's trying to get the police steal done. He's been
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: trying to do it for a long time now. I remember
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: he said he do it within like twenty four hours
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of becoming president. Hasn't quite worked out like that. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it is disconcerting to see an image of Vladimir Putin
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: being put up in the White House. Whatever strange ways
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump does his diplomacy, it is really unnerving to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: see a photo of Putin hanging up in the White House.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm going to be honest, I wonder
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: how much direct say, Trump had over this photo placement
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: because it's also directly above well it's directly above a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: photo of him and his granddaughter. So it's kind of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: just a weird place generally to put this diplomatic.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But it must have been putting that up unless it
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: was Trump saying I want my photo with Putin right there.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't see what's wrong with this, to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, because it was a historical moment, that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: meeting in Alaska. It is an important relationship. It is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a priority of the Trump administration to end the war
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine. So I understand you don't want to create
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the perception that Trump's sucking up to Putin, but it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: a historic.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: If you walked into Anthony Albernizi's office and he had
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a photo there of Jijing Ping and him, we'd all
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: be going like, you know, he's the handsome.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Boys, probably looks at it every night before bed, well.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: And we'd all be saying what they hell like, Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: it's I understand Trump does stuff differently, but it's a bad.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: It's a bad look.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: It's a bad look, especially the timing considering Russia hit Ukraine.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yet again, which there's no discussion, but it is because
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: they knew that photo would be whether to your point
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: just before, this is almost Trump's way of stroking the
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: ego Putin to say we are friends and we do
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: get along, and here you're hanging up in.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: The White House.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I just personally don't think we should read too
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: much into it. I think it is just his worm.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: If that works on Putin, you know, I mean, that's
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good. I'm trying to remember what film it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was from the line. You know, if if that worked
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: on me, I'd be the luckiest man alive. And I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: think it was in as good as it gets. But like,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: if that works on Putin, then well.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I want to know if this works on you, kleb.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: But Trump has a new ally who is very vocal,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: very maga, and very unlikely. Nicki Minaj, the Queen of
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: rap who's released songs like Anaconda and Starships and all
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: sorts of things that we probably can't even discuss on television.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: She's come out and she's very pro Trump. She took
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to the stage and defended him today.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I probably's number one thing. Now.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It started when she started calling out the persecution of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Christians in Nigeria. The Trump administration then reached out. She
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: went to the UN and spoke about it. And now
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: she's become a MAGA champion and it's a turnaround because
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: she's previously posted things about, you know, criticizing Trump's immigration policy.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: She wasn't a conservative, but you know, everyone sees the light,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: including Nicki Mina.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I remember she was on the stage recently with Erica
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Kirk and a Turning Point USA event, and I remember
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: even at that generated quite a lot of headlines. But
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the highlight for me for that was Trump saying I
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: need to grow my nails. Noticed that Nicki Minaj's nails
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: are about out to hear good chuckle.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I said at the top of the show. Truth is
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: stranger than fiction, and you know it really is. I mean, look,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: if nothing else, the Trump presidency provides us with entertainment
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and blockbuster value, and that's kind of what we're getting.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You did ask the question whether it works on me.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Not really. Maybe I'd be more inclined it'd work on
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: me if it was like Dolly Parton or something, But
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: never mind, that probably says more about me than a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people in America. While we're talking about America
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and the way that it affects things. Particularly we're talking
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: about Putin before. The geopolitics of the world now has
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: made a lot of the financial markets quite unstable, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: they are up and down all over the shop at
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the moment. Again, every time Trump says he going to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: do something about Greenland, or he makes an announcement about Tariff's,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the market tanks and then the market comes back up again.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So people are trying to hedge their bits a bit,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and they're looking for a somewhat more stable investment. At
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the moment. They're moving away from US government bonds to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: some degree. And I mean, once upon a time there
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: were two rules of investment in turbulent times. You buy
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: US government bonds and if that doesn't work, rule two
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: is refer to rule one. But no people now are
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: buying gold, and they're not just bun gold in America.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: They're buying gold all over the world, to the point
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: now where the Daily Telegraph noticed today they went for
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: a little walk down to Martin Place in Sydney and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: out the front of the ABC bullion shop this morning,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: about half an hour before the shop opened at nine am.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: There were at least thirty people lined up out the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: front to go in and buy gold, and gold is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: just going through the roof. In the last six months alone,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: there has been a forty four percent increase in the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: value of gold seven five hundred dollars an ounce now,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and people of that disparate they are lining up in
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the street to get their hands on.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I have noticed this line for the last month in
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Martin Place constantly, all these people lining up, and I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: had no idea why they were lining up until I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: saw this story today, but it did make me go, Guys,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: gold is already up forty four percent in six months.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You forgot, Actually, what is the true number one rule
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of investing, Caleb, which is by low, sell high. Don't
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: go and buy gold once it's already up forty four percent.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: If you have gold at home, on the other hand,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and you're thinking about clearing out the jewelry box, this
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: would be a good time to sell gold. That is
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: not investment advice though.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, though they aren't saying it could get
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to as much as ten thousand Australia. Wow.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: By reading true investors were saying that it's going to
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: continue to go higher and hire in twenty twenty six.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: So you can see why there's accused of people that
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: have been out there, and it's also just a lot
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: of the new investors as well, who have seen gold
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: as that safe haven, that this is a safe bet
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I suppose to go And yeah, well, King Charles, on
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: another note, seems his safe haven as nature, and he's
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: now releasing a documentary documenting his activism on climate and
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the environment over his many years as a royal.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: Have a look, we are nature ourselves. We are a
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: part of it, not apart from it. We must put
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: nature back at the heart of the equation.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: He has been involved with the environment in nature for
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: fifty plus years.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And people have tried to push him off it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Our children and grandchildren will ask not what our generation said,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: but what he did.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Look, King Arles is a bit of a leftie.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. During the coronation he changed the wording
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to say he was defender of faith, not the faith
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the Church of England. But I don't know you're gonna
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: watch that, Jamie.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny is we've got Meghan and Harry
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: on Netflix, and then Meghan now with her own show
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: on Netflix, and now King Charles is going over onto Amazon.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Who's going to write better?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Do you think they'll be checking each other's ratings to
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: see who's done better?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think we know who write better. Look, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I have no particular issue with caring for the environment
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and for nature, because I think part of being a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: conservative is to conserve things, including the world around you.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And I love gardens and I love being out in nature,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a wonderful thing. It makes a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: beautiful world. And we need plants so we can turn
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: carbon oxide into oxygen, et cetera. But the King has
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: been known to talk to his plants because he thinks
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it will make them grow faster. So look, whether he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the environmentalist I'm looking for, I'm not entirel.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: It fries around in private jets.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Well, of course, you know someone's soon's got to do
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it right. And now, before we get to the break, Frey,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you haven't announced.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, just a little bit of personal news from me
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: this evening. After a lot of thought, I've decided to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: finish up on the Late Debate. It's been so much
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: fun doing this show with you four nights a week
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: over the past year, and I'll definitely miss it, but
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: as new doors have opened recently, I feel it's now
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: time for me to explore those opportunities. But you'll still
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: have me for a while another couple of weeks. But
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say thank you so much for
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: all the viewers at home. You guys are what makes
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: this job so special. And thank you so much for
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: all the company you've given us over the last year.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And please do keep watching the show.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: How could you say there is a better job than
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: working with us.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: It's sad to see you go, but I'm sure you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: will excel at whatever you try your hand at.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sad to see you go. Frey, You've done
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: so well on here. I've loved working with you for
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the short time that I've been coming in as a
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: fill in. But no doubt you've got such a wonderful
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: future ahead of you.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thanks, guys, I really appreciate that. I don't
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: know what else I'll be doing at ten pm, maybe
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: watching you from my bed's being at high heels, but no,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: it's been so much fun.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Someone's got to do today, And indeed, keep watching the program,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because well, we've got good content for you every night
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and it ain't going to stop after the break plenty
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: more of that good content. Extraordinary story on the front
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of Tomorrow's Advertiser about how the South Australian Premier Peter
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: malanaskis turned into an undercovered cop for a day that's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: coming up. Let's take a look at the front of
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Australian as we get into all of tomorrow's news.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Tonight brunch time four libs breaskfast summit fails to strike
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: packed so Lee not toast. How much work do you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: reckon the subs at the arts? On that headline it's
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: not bad. Not tell you what's not bad either is
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the photograph underneath that by Leam Mendez d gets some
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: good shots as leem. We must catch up soon, mate,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It says here Susan Lee has renewed hope that she
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: can cling on to her tenuous leadership of the Liberal
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  Speaker 1: Party after Conservative rivals Andrew Hasty and Angus Taylor failed
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to strike a deal in a secret breakfast meeting with
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: factional power brokers in Melbourne. Liberal MPs now expect the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: impassed drag on for weeks. After The Australian revealed on
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Thursday that mister Taylor and mister Hasty met face to
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: face on the morning of former Liberal MP Katie Allen's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: funeral amid pressure from right wing power brokers for one
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: contender to step aside and allow a single challenge. The
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: clandestine meeting, also attended by Opposition Home Affairs spokesman Jonathan
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Dunheam West Australian Senator Matt o' sullivan, Finance spokesman James Patterson,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and former senior Front Bench of Michael Sukha so they
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: may haven't seen for a while, has left Miss Lee
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and her supporters buoyed by the two would be challengers
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in nobility to unite, strengthening her chances of holding on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just laugh every day his story gets better,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, not really Well, it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Depends on your pective.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Glad you can see the lights, but it's a pretty
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: dark dark spot the Liberal parties in. But I mean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: this is the fundamental problem, right Hasty and Taylor have
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to come to some sort of agreements, some sort of compromise,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: but it does seem like they do have diametrically opposed positions.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Both want to be leader. Only one can be leader.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But frankly, I don't think the Liberal Party has the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: luxury of faffing around right now when poll after pol
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: is coming out showing one nation is cannibalizing the Liberal vote.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They need to sort this out, and they need to
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: sort it out quickly.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: But they also need to You can't just slot in
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: a hasty or an Angus Taylor without actually fundamentally fixing
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: everything else that's going on in the background. It's one
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: thing just to say, say, get rid of Susan Lee
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: and replace her with one of these other two options.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: That's actually not going to really solve anything.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It might help in some areas, but you can't just
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: pop in a new leader and automatically expect things to
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  Speaker 3: turn around and change. So I'm hoping that there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of plans going on in the background to also
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: help with things like some policies or I don't know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: some other ideas to turn this party around.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I think they need to settle this the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: old fashioned way, like men used to go down to
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the pub, have ten pints each. Then you have a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: dual lab as the pub cheesey want, and then whoever
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: comes out Victoria's from. That's the leader.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: If they're going to settle this with a duel, my
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: money is on the X sas thousand. Let's move on
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to the camera. At times the headline is Rattenbury showed now.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Green's Elder Statesman Bob Brown has defended the act Green's
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: talks with the Liberals, declaring Shane Rattenberry's decision to reach
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: across the aisle was outstanding and the party's longtime ACT
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: leader had shown political maturity. Mister Brown, a leaning figure
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: in the Australian environmental movement and the establishment of the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Australian Greens, said history had shown the left and right
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: could collaborate in the national interest and talking across the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: board was not new or unique. Camera is just the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: ACT government, I should say, I think is just a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: beast of its own. Labour's been there for twenty seven years.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It's basically a one party territory at this point. But
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: to see the Greens and the Liberals potentially working together
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: could be interesting. Very Camebra, very, very camebra a bunch
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: of Tree Tories. But we'll see where this goes.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if it actually happened. I like it
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  Speaker 1: to be the thing of nightmares right, like I'd wake
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the nighters cold sweet about this.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I do love the quote though from Bob Brown. The
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: hanky twisting commentariat of the far right needs to grow
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: up and the left bluster labor government of the Act
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: needs to lift its operation. Like you know, I think
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Bob Brown so much better in retirement than he was
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: when he was in Parliament, to be quite fair.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so nothing is going to surprise us at this point.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Let's head over now to the Advertiser and it is
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  Speaker 3: day cops used Mallin in sting secret agent with a
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: photo there of Malanascus wearing his Aviator sunglasses and Premier Peter.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Malanascus was fitted with a listening wire and deployed by
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: police as an undercover operative. An affidavit from the former
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: head of Major Crime reveals the sting took place during
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: a meeting with former Labor MP Annabel Digence and her
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: husband Greg and these recordings were made in relations to
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: allegations that the Digancers were blackmailing Malanascus couple of years ago. Now,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: so that's this story here, it's these sir.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: We can't get any more detail at the moment. The
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  Speaker 1: story will be in full online at some point obviously
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in tomorrow's paper. So if you're in Adelaide, I would
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: encourage you to go and buy the Advertiser, where you
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: can also read my column by the way, tomorrow the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: best part of the paper on a Friday, if I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: may say so myself. Apart from this splash from Hafey,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: what I mean, this is just a blockbuster yard, isn't it?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: The premie around the cover with a wire.
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  Speaker 2: It's just hard to dislike him. I mean you just
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: kind of look at now and you're like, damn, like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: he's so cool. It's aviator, I see it, and he
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: would have strolled in their wide a fully knowing is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: about to expose these guys. I mean, that is just
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  Speaker 2: so cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty good effort, isn't it. On the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. Of course, balanowskis in
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: charge of a lot of public servants, and so they
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: are in New South Wales as well, and what are
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: they app to well, it says here servants take the siki.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Taxpayers were forced to pay nine days sickly for every
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: public servant in New South Wales last year, with public
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: sector workers taking fifty percent more sickies than private the employees,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: costing the state almost one and a half billion dollars. Now,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you are, of course entitled to ten days of sick
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: leave a year, but most of us aren't sick for
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: ten days a year. There's an element of if you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: don't use it, you lose it. And I can understand
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: why people do it because they go, well, I've got
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the leave there, I may as well use it up.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: But you know you're playing with our money here, right,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: if you're not sick, you probably shouldn't have the day off.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's just so wrong. And this just speaks to
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the culture in so much of the public service and
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: in the bureaucracy. They just don't think there's anything wrong
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: because they think money grows on trees and that's what
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: happens when you don't have the profit motive to keep
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you productive and accountable. Just think, well, someone else is
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: paying for this, so why not.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: There's just these costs.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: There's so much cost it's going back to the tax payers.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: One point five billion dollars is what it costs in
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: sick leave.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Well, imagine if you imagine you get a four day
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: week and then you take nine days of sickly a
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: year and you get fifteen percent super and all this.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: It's not a bad deal.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Apparently the super is going down on that four day
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: working week down to twelve.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is interesting.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Well they do it for you're on a cut somewhere.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: That's something, yes, but you know, still on a bad
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: life as a public service. I remember hanging around a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: cafe used to go to in Adelaide all the time,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: and without fail because I'd be in there at roughly
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the same time each day, and without fail, there was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: this group of public servants came in from the building
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: next door and they would sit there for an hour.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Three o'clock on the dot everywhere, and they sit there
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: for an.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Hour unless that was their scheduled lunch break, not a
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: three in the hour.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: That could just be their scheduled lunch break.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: They weren't coming in and it was going in for
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a coffee. It's not a bad deal, I don't think.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Doesn't surprise me. Well in the Herald Sun tomorrow, this
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: is a bit of a sad headline. Troy's final gift.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Former AFL star's last wish before tragic death was to
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: donate his brain to concussion research. AFL star Troy Selwood
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: made a final wish to donate his brain to concussion
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: research before he tragically took his own life. The selfless
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: act by the former Lion, who suffered a series of
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: nasty head knocks during his seventy five game AFL career,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: was made out in his will years before his twenty
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: twenty five death. He said, it is my wish to
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: donate my brain for research for concussion in sport, if possible.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: The forty year old wrote in his will, just devastating.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible sir, and that family.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Took the lust the other side as well.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: They've been through a lot, but he obviously knew something
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: was wrong, so good on him for putting his brain
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: up for it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Well, let's have a look at the towns of bulletin
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and the front page there is save our Reef in
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: ESCO decision puts thousands of jobs at risk. The federal
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: government has launched a vital bit to save the Great
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Barrier Reef from being declared in danger, a listing that
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: could threaten tens of thousands of jobs roughly seventy seven
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: thousand jobs. It didn't happen in twenty four or twenty
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: twenty five, so I'll wait and see what ESCO decides.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: This time we have to submit a report on first effeirs,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: so there's a few days to go.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Indeed, after the break, what do you think one of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the most watched television programs in the United States is?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: It is Australian. I'll give you the clue. And if
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you're a parent or a grandparent, you've probably seen a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: fair bit of it. That's coming up now. If you're
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: a bit bored on the weekend, if you're not watching
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: scar News that is which you should be doing, you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: might like to go and see a film, as some
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: people used to call it. And there is a new
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: film out about Milania Trump and Trump's campaign. But it
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: would seem no one's bought me tickets.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't know about everyone else. But you'll
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: be able to catch me down at the Houtz and
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Cronulla this weekend watching milanis new documentary. It's being flamed
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: as flopping in the box office, but to be honest,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was actually available in Australia.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: So there we go. I'll be watching it in case
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you need a refresher. Here's the trailer.
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: Everyone wants to know, So here it is. Hi, mister President, congratulations,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: I did not Yeah, I will see it on the news.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: How can you not love that?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: How can you not? I love that?
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: That is my favorite line out of that trailer. I'll
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: definitely be going to watch it too. I don't understand
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: why there's no Actually I can understand because I've not
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: seen much advertising for the movie, so I actually didn't
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: even know that it was out yet.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: There was like it comes it tomorrow or something, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: there's like cinemas where they've sold one ticket, oh.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Well, going up to two now.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: A box office. Now, I think it's time to go
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: back to one of our favorites segments, don't the day,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: which will not be the other person in the cinema
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: with Freyer. I should note it's someone up in Coensland
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: who decided to go absolutely hell for leather with their
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: motor car doing this. Take a look they've I don't
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: know what's going on here, whether they've had a dispute
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: with someone, lovers tith or whatever. They're driving the car
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: directly into another person's garage. Don't mean into the garage,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: like into the garage door and then taking off with
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the front of the car just completely carved in. You know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I get that. It's the only reason you do something
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: like that, like unless you're pissed, is because you've got
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the you know what's with some isn't it right? And
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it's one thing to take out some anger on someone.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: It's another thing entirely to destroy your own car in
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the process, isn't it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Does it look like that was an accident?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: No, that was.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: When that was just on for the second time. I
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: thought maybe that looked like an accident.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Well they went forward and then sorry, rove it. You'll
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: break mixed up and then I'll take off up the road.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Well maybe they are embarrassed, but I would be embarrassed
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: if I did that to my car.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, perfectly, Frank garage hit and run. That's pretty poor form.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't see any l plates on that car either,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: so I'm guessing it was intentional.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: All right, all of the families with young children, no doubt.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: This is not going to surprise you, but Bluie has
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: topped the US streaming charts for twenty twenty five. This
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: is the second year in a row with forty five
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: billion minutes watched, and there's one hundred and fifty four episodes.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: They watch it through Disney Plus, and most of these
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: episodes are only ten minutes long. Gray's Anatomy was wrecked
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: second place for the second year in a row, with
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: forty billion minutes watched and about forty minutes of each
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: of their episodes. So Bluey is still a much loved, loved,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: loved cartoon.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: That's called soft deplomacy.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Indeed, and because the rest of the list included Family
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Guy in CIS, Law and Order, Special Victims Unit, and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: The Late Debate apparently made the top watch programs in
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: the United States. Now I'm making that up, but it
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: should be. All you people in the US. Make sure
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you keep watching. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Tonight up next to Rita Panahy Show. Good Night,