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Free Bird! Bob sees Skynyrd and Jerry sees UFO's. And Trump sees trouble in media · Profits & Politics

0:15
SPEAKER_04: Hey, good morning, everybody.
0:17
SPEAKER_04: Welcome to the morning call show.
0:19
SPEAKER_04: I'm Bob Sellers here with Jerry Burke, two news guys trying to find the right and wrong in between the right and left.
0:25
SPEAKER_04: So, Jerry, how are you doing this morning?
0:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, I got a phone filled with stories.
0:30
SPEAKER_02: It is a busy newsweek with the UN in town, and Trump is going to be there today, and he's going to sign a deal to get Greenland under our military control.
0:41
SPEAKER_02: But first.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
0:47
SPEAKER_02: Do you play?
0:49
SPEAKER_02: No.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: Do you play guitar?
0:50
SPEAKER_02: I bought this thing and I have no idea.
0:52
SPEAKER_02: It's just sculpture in my living room.
0:55
SPEAKER_02: But you have a story about my favorite band, besides the Ollman Brothers, Leonard Skinner.
1:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you tell me?
1:04
SPEAKER_02: We haven't been on the air for a couple of days.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: Why don't you tell everyone where you've been and what you've been up to?
1:11
SPEAKER_04: I was out in Colorado visiting friends out there, uh, which I love to go to.
1:15
SPEAKER_04: I love going uh hiking and uh fishing, and uh I was visiting them.
1:20
SPEAKER_04: And uh on Saturday night we went to a fabulous uh venue in Colorado Springs to see Leonard Skinnard, which to people of our age, it's like, yeah, that's pretty good.
1:34
SPEAKER_04: Okay, now I know what you're thinking.
1:35
SPEAKER_04: It's like the original Leonard Skinnard isn't around.
1:39
SPEAKER_04: I get that, but they do have some skilled guys that are out there banging, and they they uh and if you're wondering, can they play Free Bird?
1:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, here I'm gonna put up a little clip here, Jimmy.
1:51
SPEAKER_04: Okay, let's see it.
1:53
SPEAKER_04: Twenty-five seconds.
2:21
SPEAKER_02: That is white men's mana from heaven, you know.
2:25
SPEAKER_04: You talk about rock and roll.
2:27
SPEAKER_04: I the thing is, I stopped recording at that point because I I couldn't just watch it.
2:33
SPEAKER_04: I had to be moving, you know.
2:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, once they get into that next uh rip, you know, I wanted to go with it.
2:41
SPEAKER_04: So uh that was a lot of fun.
2:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh well another I have a behind the scenes story again where I I was head of uh daytime at Fox News.
2:52
SPEAKER_02: I was the what they call the executive producer, yeah.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: And uh so I booked Leonard Skinnard, and this was back in the day when some of them were still alive, right?
3:04
SPEAKER_02: And so they had to come in for a sound check and do a full song and everything right before the show.
3:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
3:11
SPEAKER_02: So I did what any young uh red blooded America would do.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: I called my high school buddy Rocco.
3:19
SPEAKER_02: I said, Rocco, you gotta come in.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: Leonard Skinner's gonna be here, they're gonna do a sound check.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: So Rocco comes in, I walk him over to the studio, and we meet all the guys.
3:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is this is what is amazing about television, you know?
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Um and we sat on these two big cases that they had their speakers in, and they fired up the band and they played Free Bird.
3:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh me and me and Rocco were just like jamming out, you know, like we were Beavis and Butthead, you know.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh and it it was it was just amazing, you know, the what they do with the guitar.
4:00
SPEAKER_02: But afterwards, you know, um I lost Rocco to COVID of all things.
4:07
SPEAKER_02: He died.
4:08
SPEAKER_02: But when I think back on my good friend, my good buddy, that is one of the moments that stands out for me.
4:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it was great.
4:17
SPEAKER_04: And and uh, you know, the friend I was visiting, when you talk about that, he he's having some health problems.
4:23
SPEAKER_04: It's one of the reasons I went to visit him, uh, offer some moral support.
4:26
SPEAKER_04: And and going to a concert like this just takes you back.
4:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, you're back to your back in the stack.
4:33
SPEAKER_02: You know, this is back in the day uh when we had lighters and we're holding the lighters.
4:37
SPEAKER_04: I know, I was waiting for you to hold up a lighter.
4:40
SPEAKER_04: Free burn!
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unknown: I actually played it.
4:43
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, they actually end the concert.
4:45
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's gotta be the only concert where you know what the encore is, right?
4:50
SPEAKER_04: Because they're fish with sweet home Alabama and giving stuff and all that.
4:55
SPEAKER_04: You know, and they say thanks, good night, everybody.
4:58
SPEAKER_02: It's like, who you can't and hopefully they'll come back for a second encore, you know.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: You never but you always had hope.
5:05
SPEAKER_02: Um but you know, or actually, did I, you know, you and I have had such a great experience growing up with live music like that.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Rocco and I got on a bus in New Jersey and drove into New York to Central Park to see Simon and Garfunkel from the Union concert.
5:26
SPEAKER_02: This was like in 1980 or something.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: That was a famous concert.
5:29
SPEAKER_02: It was amazing.
5:31
SPEAKER_02: And you know, the funny thing is, we hardly watched it.
5:35
SPEAKER_02: We were walking around, you know, like look looking for joints to buy or something like that, you know.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: And there were like a hundred thousand people in Central Park, and it was amazing.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: There was no violence, there was nothing going on.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: I we were completely unworried.
5:50
SPEAKER_02: I was like 17, you know.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: So, but those were the days.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: Um anyway, shall we move on?
5:58
SPEAKER_02: Yes, go ahead.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: As I said, um the uh busy newsweek.
6:04
SPEAKER_02: Trump, Trump is um, you know, he's 80 years old.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: I know you're not a huge fan, but I am of his strength and vitality at this age.
6:13
SPEAKER_04: You know, no, seriously speaking, you don't think he looks like he's struggling?
6:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh no, not really, no.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he'll close his eyes every once in a while, but I do too when you're speaking.
6:28
SPEAKER_02: Um and rightly so.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: Rightly so.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: But like, think about it.
6:34
SPEAKER_02: The 80-year-old man, yesterday he met with Zoran Mamdani, yeah, you know, and actually had a civil conversation with him about infrastructure and and such.
6:45
SPEAKER_02: And then he then later he met with uh Zelensky about Ukraine and told them stop bombing the diesel refineries because it's really affecting the price of diesel and it's hurting our American truckers.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: And then today he's about to speak to the UN General Assembly, which is gonna be a barn burner, I'm sure.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: And then he's gonna later he's gonna sit down and sign that deal with Denmark that gives us complete military control over Greenland.
7:19
SPEAKER_04: We already have military installations there.
7:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but this we have an agreement like in 1951, we have all the same things.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: Um stop interrupting.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: But the purpose of this is that Russia and China have been, I didn't know this.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Russia and China have been angling to get to pursue bases there.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and this will forever prevent that from happening.
7:45
SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine if there's a Russian base in Greenland?
7:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, they could hit New York in 20 minutes.
7:52
SPEAKER_04: Look, I I I don't like this autocratic tendency of his and uh uh to want to put his name on things and to think that he can just go acquire places just because he wants them.
8:05
SPEAKER_04: Uh the world doesn't work like that, which is why he's not going to be popular when he speaks to the General Assembly.
8:12
SPEAKER_04: Uh it's why Greenland is tolerating him, trying to play his game.
8:16
SPEAKER_04: Um, and of course, to him, it's never over.
8:20
SPEAKER_04: It's never over.
8:21
SPEAKER_04: So this is a game to him to try to take over Greenland.
8:25
SPEAKER_04: And so um I I'm bothered by the idea that we could do that.
8:31
SPEAKER_04: Um it the I I'll just leave it at that.
8:36
SPEAKER_04: And you may think it's a genius move.
8:38
SPEAKER_04: Uh maybe it is, uh, but I think it is one of the reasons that the world, generally speaking, uh is not happy with the United States.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, speaking of autocratic, the the the left and the general media are lambasting Trump for his very rash move over the weekend to kick CNN, MS Now, and Politico out of the White House pool.
9:09
SPEAKER_04: Right.
9:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh so and in that case, this you know, we often speak about the right and the wrong between the right and the left.
9:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:18
SPEAKER_02: Um, here are the headlines that are coming up.
9:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh Trump ruthlessly mocked as media ban backfires spectacularly.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, let me show you that.
9:29
SPEAKER_04: I think I have a little bit.
9:31
SPEAKER_04: Uh, where did I put this?
9:33
SPEAKER_04: Uh I want to call up the right thing.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: This uh being my own director.
9:39
SPEAKER_04: Something else.
9:40
SPEAKER_04: I always get I'm not here.
9:44
SPEAKER_04: We're pulling down the best stuff here.
9:46
SPEAKER_04: Okay, this is it, Jerry.
10:06
SPEAKER_04: So he's I couldn't hear you with when when that's up, but um it was an event.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: This is what happens when you don't have a White House pool, you often don't get audio for your live events.
10:18
SPEAKER_04: Because you really underestimate the professionals that actually allow you to get your voice out there, right?
10:26
SPEAKER_02: But you see that?
10:28
SPEAKER_02: I do see that.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: Trump, it's backwards.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Trump TV.
10:32
SPEAKER_02: Um Trump, there you go, Trump TV.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: So, in order to do an end run around the mainstream media, he has launched, he launched his own Trump TV channel on YouTube, right?
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Which he is now pushing clip after clip after clip, and then he'll do live events through YouTube.
10:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he, you know, and the way the world is going, we've talked about this before.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: I think that you know, cable channels are dinosaurs.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: Everybody uses this, and they live stream, they live stream everything.
11:12
SPEAKER_04: I agree with that, but don't you think this feels a little like North Korea?
11:17
SPEAKER_04: I mean, state TV.
11:20
SPEAKER_04: You're not wrong.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, but having said that, I would be the first to say, yeah, you have a right to do that because that's what you want, and actually, that would be the place to put out whatever the heck you want and uh to be supposed to have some of the best of, right?
11:37
SPEAKER_04: You put things out there, the message you want to get out, and they have the right to do that, but banning uh outlets simply because you don't like what they say, well, yeah, that ain't right.
11:50
SPEAKER_02: And and I but you know, you know where this started from?
11:54
SPEAKER_02: She's back.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: That's Natalie Harp.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: There's articles out there that say Trump's aide, Natalie Harp, uh, the blonde little chippy called the Human Printer that prints out articles for Trump.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: She reportedly provided unflattering news clips that led to the purge of unfriendly media outlets from the White House.
12:17
SPEAKER_04: Right.
12:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, here's the deal.
12:20
SPEAKER_04: Um Trump is banning them.
12:23
SPEAKER_04: That's the wrong thing to do, and I believe he'll lose in the courts.
12:27
SPEAKER_04: And then that that helipad uh event with the the bad audio, I mean they'll fix that next time because he'll he'll hit the roof.
12:39
SPEAKER_04: But having said that, this guy loves coverage more than anybody in the world.
12:45
SPEAKER_04: And the idea that what has happened is these other organizations like the major networks and Fox are filing a suit against them to allow him in.
12:57
SPEAKER_04: And these major networks, as a result, not covering his events, um, it defeats the purpose for him.
13:05
SPEAKER_04: Uh because he he wants that sometimes, Jerry it for his followers, for his supporters, tangling with Caitlin Collins, tangling with Jake Jake, Jake Tapper, all those people, his followers love that and they're on his side.
13:25
SPEAKER_04: Whether I might look at it and go, that's a crazy argument.
13:29
SPEAKER_04: And no, he's wrong.
13:30
SPEAKER_04: He's he's saying something that's not true.
13:33
SPEAKER_04: He says things that are not true constantly, but they get out there.
13:38
SPEAKER_04: And so if he doesn't get out there, his followers don't get the red meat uh to eat to stay on his side and to go out there and be social media warriors and that sort of thing.
13:51
SPEAKER_04: And uh just to add to the story, here was a response from the the Fox and the Major Networks uh saying uh a rare joint statement saying the public has a vital interest in receiving accurate, independent information about its government.
14:05
SPEAKER_04: No administration should restrict a news organization because it objects to its reporting.
14:11
SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
14:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh I I think um they're not seeing the point.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: As on my day off yesterday, I watched a documentary about Steve Bannon.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: You remember him?
14:24
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the Prince of Darkness.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: He was known as the Prince of Darkness on Trump's campaign in the world.
14:29
SPEAKER_02: It's well around.
14:30
SPEAKER_04: It's not like he hasn't gone, you know, hasn't gone.
14:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you know, he even served time in jail.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh he said there's no such thing as bad media.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: That's the number one thing he learned from Donald Trump.
14:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: So he's been studying Donald Trump, but Donald Trump learned everything he knows from, you know, Roy Cohn.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh which which goes back to the 1950s.
14:53
SPEAKER_02: That always be on attack, always lean forward, get as much ink as you can, just keep your name out there.
15:00
SPEAKER_02: You know?
15:01
SPEAKER_02: Here's his problem.
15:03
SPEAKER_04: The arguments that he's having with these outlets, he's losing.
15:09
SPEAKER_04: And I say that because if you look at the polls now, uh, what does it show?
15:14
SPEAKER_04: He's but below 30% in some polls.
15:19
SPEAKER_04: Now, I'm not saying that's the aggregate number, but I think he's in the low 30s.
15:23
SPEAKER_04: Depends on what you look at, I'll give you that.
15:25
SPEAKER_04: But it is near the low point, no matter what point you poll you look at, and he's losing the arguments.
15:33
SPEAKER_04: He's losing it on the war in Iran, he's losing it on tariffs, he's losing it on oil prices, gas prices, he's losing it on what the average person is going through.
15:44
SPEAKER_04: Are you nodding off here?
15:46
SPEAKER_02: Um Well, no, I'm just saying you should ask Hillary Clinton about polling and how accurate it is.
15:52
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you don't have to convince me that polls are wrong, Jerry.
15:55
SPEAKER_04: I we've talked about that.
15:57
SPEAKER_04: I absolutely uh uh agree that polls like uh somebody you and I both know, I won't reveal it, but he said, Bob, show me the result you want and I'll show you the poll.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Ah, yeah, yeah.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, you're right.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: That's right out of Joe Stalin's book, you know.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: You are right, Bob, that he's he's facing a lot of trouble, even in his own backyard.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
16:23
SPEAKER_02: His wife, Melania.
16:25
SPEAKER_02: Get this.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: Melania makes an eyebrow-raising CNN decision as Trump's media band sparks White House chaos.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: She is having an event next week and has asked CNN to come and join her.
16:41
SPEAKER_04: Oh, they're not covering that.
16:42
SPEAKER_04: They're not gonna cover that.
16:43
SPEAKER_02: Well, they they've accepted and they've agreed.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
16:49
SPEAKER_04: Well, whatever they decide is fine.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: They're describing it as her version of an olive branch.
16:55
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
16:57
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
16:58
SPEAKER_04: Well, as long as both sides are happy, that's great.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:01
SPEAKER_04: That's great.
17:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all good.
17:03
SPEAKER_04: All good.
17:03
SPEAKER_04: Well, I think that uh this is something everybody's gonna talk about.
17:07
SPEAKER_04: And I think ultimately I'm uncomfortable with.
17:10
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's an easy argument to make.
17:12
SPEAKER_04: It's like, okay, so when a Democrat gets in the presidency, it may not be the next time, but the time after that, is it okay if they say, okay, all you right-wing networks, out of here?
17:24
SPEAKER_04: That's what I don't like.
17:25
SPEAKER_04: I think people uh should hear all versions, and and I don't think a president when they say, here's the thing, Jerry, I would make um the pre the White House says it's a privilege to cover the president.
17:39
SPEAKER_04: Well, I got news for it.
17:41
SPEAKER_04: It's a privilege to be president.
17:43
SPEAKER_04: So it goes both ways.
17:45
SPEAKER_04: And those people represent a lot of Americans, and you may not agree with them, but I think that uh you know, the Constitution says Congress shall make no law, he's not Congress.
17:58
SPEAKER_04: However, the courts have upheld the press's right to be there, and I think they'll do the same.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, that statement you just showed earlier about Fox joining ABC, CBS, etc.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: They well, Jesse Waters announced last night on Fox that Fox, yeah, there you go.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: Fox News joins ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, well, last night Jesse uh announced that Fox would be covering Trump today at the United Nations.
18:33
SPEAKER_04: You said they would or would not?
18:34
SPEAKER_02: Yes, they will.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: But you know, the thing is, whether you hate him or love him, aren't you obligated as a journalist to cover what he says at the United Nations?
18:44
SPEAKER_02: They are.
18:46
SPEAKER_04: They are.
18:47
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I can look over right now, and MS Now is covering it.
18:51
SPEAKER_04: So uh uh they are covering it because that's a news event.
18:55
SPEAKER_04: I think what they're trying to stay away from are the typical White House events where a president, and understandably and properly so, is out giving his uh message or you know, whatever he's trying to accomplish.
19:12
SPEAKER_04: And now here's an interesting thing.
19:16
SPEAKER_04: The timing of all this, the head of the White House Correspondence Association is Jackie Heinrich.
19:25
SPEAKER_04: She's so that puts her in a funny situation as well.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: She's a Fox anchor.
19:32
SPEAKER_04: Right.
19:32
SPEAKER_04: I went to the White House Correspondence Dinner last year, and you know, you have all these networks.
19:39
SPEAKER_04: You know, the truth is, Jerry, most of them do not like Trump.
19:43
SPEAKER_04: But she from an organization is was elected the president of it.
19:47
SPEAKER_04: So they're very fair.
19:48
SPEAKER_04: And look, Fox has you and I both know, Fox has some superb journalists.
19:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
19:53
SPEAKER_04: They they often get pushed aside because of the prime time leanings and and arguments that you hear, and they aren't journalists, but Fox has some really good ones.
20:04
SPEAKER_04: So, but this put them in kind of a funny situation where Heinrich is the the head of the uh organization that represents uh the journalists in Washington.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: No, it puts her in a bind.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: But you know, when I was there, you know, it was you know, it was common knowledge there in the newsroom that you know the nine to five was strictly business, and then after five o'clock, it was the opinion page, you know, just like a newspaper, right?
20:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you have all the headlines on the front, and then inside you've got two or three pages of opinion.
20:42
SPEAKER_04: Right.
20:42
SPEAKER_04: And I was there during uh the Iraq War, and you were daytime EP then, and uh it was very easy.
20:50
SPEAKER_04: I didn't feel it was right wing, I felt it was uh definitely pro-America, and definitely looking at the news, and there were some that also all you had to do was turn around and say, Do we have any lawyers here?
21:02
SPEAKER_04: And it's like 12 people.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: You remember the green room?
21:07
SPEAKER_02: There were people, there were guests that would sit in the green room all day and get booked like nine times, you know.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: You know, producers go running in the green room going, I need a lawyer.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
21:17
SPEAKER_04: You know, that's right.
21:18
SPEAKER_02: But what you just said about you know being pro-America, that's considered right wing in many areas.
21:25
SPEAKER_04: Let me tell you a story that I didn't bring up the other day.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: I was at CNBC when 9-11 happened.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: I'm not going back to big 9-11 stories, you know, we're through that.
21:33
SPEAKER_04: Right.
21:34
SPEAKER_04: But I do want to observe that as an anchor, the following week, the stock market was closed for that week, and then when we opened the next week, I put on a lapel pen, Jerry.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: There was an American flag.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:45
SPEAKER_04: And I was told by CNBC management to take it off.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: Really?
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, you know what I did?
21:54
SPEAKER_02: I saw I did the exact opposite.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: You're at Fox.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: What did you do?
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, I saw a guest that came in with a this was like a day or two after 911, and he had an American flag pin on his lapel.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: And as a producer, I just went and I ran out the door and I ran to a gift shop in Times Square.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: You notice like 50 of them, right?
22:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: And I ran in and I go, Give me an American flag pin.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: And they were like, oh, it was Sahib.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: It's right, it's right here.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: And so I grabbed fistfuls of them.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: I must have bought 50 of them.
22:29
SPEAKER_02: And I came running back to the newsroom.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: Every reporter, every anchor, I duped them with a pen and even guessed before they went on the air.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: So next thing you know, that the screen was festooned with American flagpins.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:43
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's a different approach.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: CNBC didn't want to uh look like they were taking sides.
22:48
SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking, if there's a time you take sides, it's now because that wasn't Republican or Democrat.
22:58
SPEAKER_04: That was just my God, I knew people that went down in that tower.
23:02
SPEAKER_04: We all were affected by it somehow.
23:05
SPEAKER_04: And I was wearing in their memory that lapel pen.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
23:09
SPEAKER_02: And there's I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: You know, just just as if you want to support the country and hang an American flag outside, yes, yes, yes.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: If I went back to Ireland, my you know, my ancestral home, I would hang an Irish flag outside.
23:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, what are you gonna do?
23:28
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I'm gonna move on to a different thing.
23:31
SPEAKER_04: I I accidentally pulled up a little bit of a clip of this, but I wanted to show you how the industry has gone, Jerry, because you talk about how everything's on this and the networks, the cable networks are dying.
23:42
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, local TV is dying, and we know that the business model has changed.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: Um, because it used to be when you and I were going up, hi everybody, I'm down.
23:52
SPEAKER_04: You bring you, come on down here, we'll make a good car deal for you, and you can get something, and you'll be happy with the driver.
23:59
SPEAKER_04: Let me take a look at that.
24:00
SPEAKER_04: This is a Cadillac, top of the line.
24:03
SPEAKER_04: They used to sell cars on TV.
24:06
SPEAKER_04: Over time, of course, they had commercials and everything, locals that were trying to access people.
24:12
SPEAKER_04: Well, that business model went away because with clicks, you can identify with everything online, you can target your audience, you can track how effective it was.
24:23
SPEAKER_04: And TV is too scattershot.
24:27
SPEAKER_04: And so the business model, so they are losing money or at least not making as much money as they used to in local TV.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: And I want to give you an example of what has happened.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: You and I know that there are different jobs, for instance, but and now they're combining.
24:39
SPEAKER_04: I want to show you in Houston of all places, uh, what like a top 15.
24:44
SPEAKER_04: You've got um this is uh a young anchor who is also uh producing, line producing, and TD.
24:54
SPEAKER_04: That means a technical director.
24:56
SPEAKER_04: Pushing their own buttons, pushing their own buttons.
25:00
SPEAKER_04: Let me try to bring up the right video here.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: It's about day three of being my own director, host, producer, anchor, audio director, queuing up every source of video, conducting live interviews, doing a thousand things at once.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: One second till we're live.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even my son.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: Caroline Collins.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: We are still getting used to the changeover here, so great sport as I figure out exactly how all of this works.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: So, Ramisha, I appreciate you.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: So politely calling for your graphics and patiently waiting for me to cue them.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate it.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: So I come over to this computer here, but I'm gonna make some boxes for me and my reporters.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Please mouse over here.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: I need some boxes.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: I gotta make sure that my show outline is all in order.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Outline with notes in it that I can follow if I need to.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: So I need to do okay.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna only focus on this one.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: All right, welcome back.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: A huge event that is going to be happening in Houston this weekend.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, now we're on the president.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: He's at a rally, so we're gonna be in live to that.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: I can breathe for a second.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: That's breathtaking.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: I remember when I was out in the field and I saw what they call a one-man band for the first time.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: Right.
26:19
SPEAKER_02: And it was a reporter who had set up his sticks, the tripod, and put a camera on it and hit record, and then walked around and stood five feet in front of it, which he had measured with a tape measure to get the focus right, and was doing a stand-up.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: And I was like gobsmacked because I was running around with a two-man crew, cameraman and soundman, you know, um, and then going back to a newsroom that was bustling with people with phones ringing and everything, and typewriters clacking back in the day.
26:52
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
26:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I come a long way.
26:55
SPEAKER_04: I was out with a photographer.
26:56
SPEAKER_04: Now, when I was in a small market, sometimes I uh was by myself, I'd set up the sticks.
27:02
SPEAKER_04: But now, not only do they do that, Jerry, they send them out by themselves.
27:06
SPEAKER_04: The the cameras that used to cost$30,000, sometimes it's literally a phone, a camera, uh, off that, and they they have to edit that digitally, and then they go out and get another story and then another story.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:21
SPEAKER_04: It's beating the ball.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, you remember I created a show called Chasing News.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
27:27
SPEAKER_02: Um and and it was a mix of TMZ meets the 10 o'clock news.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: So I had all my report, all kids in their 20s, and I gave them all cell phones, and I said, I said, go shoot your own story.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: And to show them, I did it myself.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: And I said, if this old man can do it, you can do it.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: And I remember going to a press conference where a young girl had been murdered.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: I went into the police station.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: I I could talk the birds out of the trees.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: It's a known fact.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: I the police, the police told us all, we're all milling around out there.
28:03
SPEAKER_02: They told us we're not gonna have a press conference, we don't have enough information, we can't reveal anything.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: I made I I he just the police chief happened to come out to get a cup of coffee.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: I grabbed him, I said, There's 60 of us out there.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: You gotta give us something.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Come on out, I'll make it easy for you.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: I'll produce the whole thing.
28:22
SPEAKER_02: So I walked out with the police chief like this, and all I had was a phone.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: And I told them, I said, All right, stand here.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: And then all the other camera crews came running over from channel two in New York, channel four, and they said and I was standing in front like this.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, you remember you gotta shoot sideways.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: And I was standing there like this, and I'm recording, and they tried to jockey me out of position, and I had to literally elbow my way, and I said, I said, you know what this is, guy?
28:53
SPEAKER_02: This is the future.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Back off.
28:56
SPEAKER_02: I said, you wouldn't even have this conference if it wasn't for me.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: So we did the conference, and I'm like three feet away from the police chief, and I recorded the whole thing, and then what I did was I saved it and I emailed it.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: I emailed it back to my editor and done.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: And I went to a diner and I was like, wow.
29:18
SPEAKER_04: That's nice.
29:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's amazing.
29:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's how the industry's changed, and then it's gone even further with what I was showing there.
29:24
SPEAKER_04: I think her name's Caroline.
29:26
SPEAKER_04: Uh, really well, my hat's off to her.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I remember when it came in that they had done away.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: There used to be a whole team that did the prompter, you know, that's turned uh with sheets of paper on a conveyor belt going on running underneath a camera that was looking at.
29:42
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: And now they have a pedal where you can, and it's all computerized as no paper, and the the anchor has to step on the pedal to move the words up the screen.
29:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and in some there are hand uh uh things that that you can do with your hand.
29:59
SPEAKER_04: I I've used both before.
30:01
SPEAKER_04: Uh and there used to be uh cameramen or camera women inside the studio.
30:07
SPEAKER_04: Nope, most of them are robotics.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: No, it's all robotic.
30:09
SPEAKER_04: They used to have floor directors, you know, we're coming back on this, got rid of them.
30:14
SPEAKER_04: They just say in your ear, coming back on two, and it's just changed so much.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: Everything is to save money, save money, save money, save money.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, there's no money to be made there, you know.
30:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, not to cover all the expenses, which by the way, could take us to things like Kimel and and uh Colbert and all tens of millions of dollars a year to produce it, and they're getting competition from what people look at, you know, especially digital natives, people have grown up with this, they're fine with it.
30:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're fine.
30:49
SPEAKER_04: They don't necessarily have to sit down and watch TV.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, even me, I've been I don't really watch a lot of real TV.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: I I watch, I just sit on the couch and mindlessly scroll through YouTube.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: Um can you play that UFO clip that you played earlier?
31:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let me find it.
31:08
SPEAKER_04: Um make sure I get the right thing.
31:13
SPEAKER_04: No, you're fired, Bob.
31:16
SPEAKER_04: There is something UFO about that.
31:20
SPEAKER_04: But we'll have to end it with that, okay?
31:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:25
SPEAKER_04: See, this is an example.
31:27
SPEAKER_04: Uh a real T D would not do that.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: No, you're fired.
31:51
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: So you know I love I love UFO stories.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh having seen a couple myself.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Uh a mysterious UFO.
32:00
SPEAKER_02: That was that UFO was was uh hovering over Tehran, Iran, right, with multicolored lights, which I've never seen before.
32:10
SPEAKER_02: It was red, white, and blue.
32:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: Um sparking theories that the strangely shaped craft, it was shaped kind of like a boomerang, but this time it also had what has been described as a tail.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: Um the video was taken on Sunday by a witness outside Tehran.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: Um he described a large crescent-shaped craft completely illuminated with multicolored lights.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: So, how close are we to finding out what the hell these things are?
32:40
SPEAKER_04: The only asterisk I would put on this is it was in Iran.
32:46
SPEAKER_04: Right.
32:47
SPEAKER_04: And it's a hotbed now of military activity.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Drones.
32:53
SPEAKER_04: And you wonder is this a form of a drone that has certain capabilities and is doing surveillance, intelligence collection.
33:02
SPEAKER_04: And I'm not saying that's what it was, but because it seems that if it were that, it would be less uh visible, right?
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, I I wonder why do they always have lights on them?
33:15
SPEAKER_02: What's the purpose of that?
33:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, can't they see?
33:19
SPEAKER_04: I mean, they got this far.
33:20
unknown: Right.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: They came, they came across the universe.
33:23
SPEAKER_02: They came across the universe and oh, it's dark out.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be the downfall of the aliens.
33:33
SPEAKER_04: What is that down on that planet?
33:36
SPEAKER_02: Right, they're screwed because it's dark out.
33:39
SPEAKER_04: Who are we gonna probe tonight?
33:41
SPEAKER_04: Give me a give me a light.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not looking forward to those probes.
33:48
SPEAKER_04: All right.
33:49
SPEAKER_04: Um, I see our our red Oh yeah, that yeah, we try to keep it.
33:53
SPEAKER_04: Usually I've lost you by now.
33:55
SPEAKER_02: Usually your attention is No, I'm I'm animated because I we haven't done this in a couple of days, but that's right.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: Very clipworthy today.
34:02
SPEAKER_04: And you remember why.
34:36
SPEAKER_02: Remember, breaking news changes everything.