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Countdown to freedom? OJ Simpson's big day! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. It is a hearing that everyone will
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Speaker 1: be watching. O. J. Sampson will get his shot at freedom.
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Speaker 1: He scheduled to have a prole hearing on Thursday, Nevada.
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Speaker 1: So you for we're a football star is sitting right
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Speaker 1: now in a state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. No.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't dead or hurt anybody. I just wanted my
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Speaker 1: personal things. And I realized and I was stupid of me.
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Speaker 1: Count one conspiracy to commit a crime guilty. Count two
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Speaker 1: conspiracity kidnapping guilty. Count three conspiracity commit robbery guilty. I
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Speaker 1: am sorry. I didn't mean to steal anything from anybody,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't know I was doing anything illegal. Sixty
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Speaker 1: minutes and counting, sixty minutes and counting before a Nevada
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Speaker 1: parole board. Here's evidence and will determine whether so called
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Speaker 1: America's number one bad guy Orenthal James Pipson, we'll walk free.
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Speaker 1: We are in accountdown as we wait for justice to
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Speaker 1: unfold there in Carson City, Nevada. I Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is crime stories here on Sirius XM and we are
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Speaker 1: taking your calls, joining me right now to break it
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Speaker 1: down and put it back together again. Two time Emmy
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Speaker 1: Award winning investigative journalist Art Harris also with me, forensic
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists out of Florida, doctor Daniel Bober also with me.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix, author of Guarding the Juice. How OJ Simpson
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Speaker 1: became My prison b f F Well, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that i'd brag about that, but as we keep an
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Speaker 1: I on the clock, I want to go straight out
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Speaker 1: to Art Harris. Arn't Harris, it's happening. And I have
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Speaker 1: been in one dog fight after the next ever since
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Speaker 1: it was announced this Parold Board hearing was going down.
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Speaker 1: And I still stand by my assertion that OJ Simpson
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Speaker 1: should not get parole. And I'll tell you why. If
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Speaker 1: you'll look at the guidelines on whether someone gets parole.
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Speaker 1: The Parole Board can look at aggravating circumstances and quote
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Speaker 1: other evidence that includes the nineteen ninety seven civil verdict
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Speaker 1: of a jury that unanimously decided Simpson was guilty was
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Speaker 1: responsible for those two murders. That means a lot to me.
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Speaker 1: How can the parole board ignore that? Aren't they can
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Speaker 1: ignore anything? They want. It's their prerogative, and in this case,
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Speaker 1: it's the question, do they want to send a message
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Speaker 1: to other inmates? Try hard and maybe you can get
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Speaker 1: out like O J two, or message to the other inmates.
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Speaker 1: On his time here, he's kept relatively clean and therefore
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Speaker 1: he's paid for at least some je How about a
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Speaker 1: message to the rest of the world. What about a
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Speaker 1: message to other people that are considering a life of it?
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Speaker 1: And they'll see this, they go, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: I don't want to sit in love lock us in
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Speaker 1: my life. Uh, what about that message? Aren't Harris for Nancy?
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Speaker 1: He's he's got a shot at his first parole date
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Speaker 1: that would come up for thirty three years, so that's
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Speaker 1: after after seven years he gets a shot. So that
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Speaker 1: is you know, why don't they skip. They could easily
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Speaker 1: veto that. That's a that's that's their prerogative, and hopefully
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Speaker 1: those who believe injustice will get a message to them.
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Speaker 1: But the way the wind is blowing, the way the
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Speaker 1: wind is blowing, you know, as I said yesterday, my
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Speaker 1: prediction is they will let him out. Okay, the wind
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Speaker 1: is blowing. I hardly think. Aren't Harris you know I
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Speaker 1: know you've got your two Emmys, all right. I hardly
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Speaker 1: think that the way the wind is blowing is legal precedent.
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you this much. I would not
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Speaker 1: want to push my cart down the aisle at Walmart
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Speaker 1: and have everybody walk up to me and go, why
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Speaker 1: did you vote to let O. J. Simpson out of jail?
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Speaker 1: Why with me? I'm going to go straight to Jeffrey Felix,
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Speaker 1: author of Guarding the Jus How OJ Simpson became my
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Speaker 1: prison BFF. First of all, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix. What can you tell me about OJ Simpson
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Speaker 1: getting preferential treatment behind bars? Well, Nancy, OJ get they're
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Speaker 1: unwritten rules. There's a few of them. We'll start with.
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Speaker 1: If there was an art altercation on the yard, like
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Speaker 1: a fight on the yard, the officer was up in
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Speaker 1: a gun bubble, the officer would have to stand the
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Speaker 1: yard to make sure O. J. Simpson isn't anywhere near
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Speaker 1: the fight till he wouldn't get shot. Does it be
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Speaker 1: a very bad day for the prison system in the
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Speaker 1: state in the batlef OJ Simpson got shot? Okay? Any
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Speaker 1: kind of force that's used against OJ, like if they
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Speaker 1: have to put him in handcuffs or anything like that
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Speaker 1: has to come from sergeant or above. Okay. Third, nobody
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Speaker 1: can shake down his cell unless it's authorized by the
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Speaker 1: warden or the warden designate. There's also no unscheduled visitor
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Speaker 1: attack with OJ Simpson, So people just can't come to
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Speaker 1: the prison and OJA agrees to see them, they can't.
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Speaker 1: They still can't come in. And every inmate in the
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Speaker 1: state of Nevada gets an ID card that he has
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Speaker 1: to keep on them or on her at all times,
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Speaker 1: so they get a write up. O J. Simpson does
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Speaker 1: not have an ID card. And the reason that is
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Speaker 1: is because O. J. Simpson was given an ID card
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Speaker 1: an officer in Vegas when he was down there for
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Speaker 1: a few weeks, took the ID card and sold it
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Speaker 1: on eBay. This this is the kind of things that
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Speaker 1: the Nevada Department of Compressions is dealing with. I mean
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Speaker 1: having this big time celebrity, you mean a two time killer. Well,
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Speaker 1: he was acquitted of that, so that it does not
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Speaker 1: mean he didn't do it. Jeffrey Well, I believe in
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Speaker 1: he was acquitted by one jury and found guilty by
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Speaker 1: another jury. Well, he was found guilty by us. I
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Speaker 1: mean really that that can that can bring any kind
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Speaker 1: of evidence. That's right. Here's saying everything goes that is
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Speaker 1: not true, that is not true. Any evidence is not
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Speaker 1: allowed in a civil trial, absolutely not. But the that
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Speaker 1: he flunked his life detector, Yeah, that came in the
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Speaker 1: fact that he lied about owning Bruno Molly's shoes and
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Speaker 1: that the Bruno Molly footsteps were found in the blood
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Speaker 1: in Nicole Brown's blood. That came in the fact that
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Speaker 1: DNA proved his blood was at the crime scene one
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy million to one odds. That came in
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Speaker 1: Nicole's blood on his socks at his home. That came
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Speaker 1: in Yeah, well, yeah, I'm convinced. And another thing, that
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Speaker 1: whole story about police are bad, police had a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to convict j Simpson b s You think police could
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Speaker 1: be quiet all these years and not blow the whistle
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Speaker 1: on somebody and write a book for a million dollars. Mm. No,
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Speaker 1: there was no conspiracy. They bungled a few things, but
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Speaker 1: Simpson did it. The two were not mutually exclusive. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, Side of Florida, You really think
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Speaker 1: cops would frame Simpson, and now all these years later,
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Speaker 1: not one of them would have sold that story for
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Speaker 1: a million dollars. No way. You can't have it both ways.
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Speaker 1: You can't say that there was this massive conspiracy within
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Speaker 1: the LAPD, but then they're a bunch of bumbling fools.
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Speaker 1: Those two things can't really exist together. And even if
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Speaker 1: you buy the verdict and the criminal trial, this is
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Speaker 1: a guy who you know. Disclaimer, I've never formally evaluated,
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Speaker 1: so I can't diagnose him with anything. But this is
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Speaker 1: a guy who has completely had no respect for the law,
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Speaker 1: no respect for people, has played by his own rules
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Speaker 1: and thumbed his nose at law enforcement for his entire
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Speaker 1: post football career. This is someone who has no respect
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Speaker 1: for human beings. And even after he was found innocent
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Speaker 1: and acquitted in the criminal trial, he continued to have
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Speaker 1: run ins with the law. You would think if someone
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Speaker 1: was found not guilty that they would try to lay low,
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Speaker 1: but this guy was getting in trouble all the time
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Speaker 1: in different problems he was having with law enforcement. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of narcissism and there's a lot of sociopathy there.
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's just someone who I think doesn't
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Speaker 1: think the rules apply to him. That's the bottom line.
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Speaker 1: Daniel hold On one moment with me, doctor Daniel Bober.
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Speaker 1: Psychiatrists aren't Harris Emmy Award winning investigative journalist and Jeffrey Felix,
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Speaker 1: author of Guarding the Jews. I'm about to head to
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Speaker 1: the lines hold On Kathy and Madison, Wisconsin. I got
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Speaker 1: to ask Felix one more question. Jeffrey, there was one
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Speaker 1: passage in your book. Your whole book was great, by
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Speaker 1: the way, Guarding oj Guarding the Jews, but there was
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Speaker 1: one segment I'd like you to recount instead of me
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Speaker 1: recounting it where you asked, as I recall, he was
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Speaker 1: washing his hands and he looked in the mirror in
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Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yes, okay, you tell the story, Ojo. I
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Speaker 1: was in oj Cel and he just got done shaving.
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Speaker 1: When I walked in, he was looking in the mirror,
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Speaker 1: just finishing it up. And I told him, I said, hey, Jews,
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Speaker 1: you just solved the Brentwood murders. And he looked at
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Speaker 1: me and he goes, what are you talking about. I said,
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Speaker 1: the murderer is right there in the mirror, and you
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Speaker 1: should have seen the look he gave me. He was
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Speaker 1: really upset, and he was upset for about a week,
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Speaker 1: but he got over it because he knew I was
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Speaker 1: just joking. The way you told it was that he said,
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Speaker 1: only two people in the world know who did the murders,
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Speaker 1: r Ac Collings and me. That's the point of the story, Jeffrey,
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Speaker 1: that's true. I forgot about that. Well, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: he explained to me. Yeah, well, that's the whole point
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Speaker 1: of the story. I don't give a flying big if
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Speaker 1: he's shaving or he was mad at you for a week.
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Speaker 1: The point is he said to you, only two people
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Speaker 1: know who did the murders, Me and Ac. Well, hello, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: now hold on. He told me the story what happened
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Speaker 1: that night, so I know what happened that night was
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Speaker 1: two drug dealers showed up at OJ's house and informed
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Speaker 1: the juice that Nicole and Ronald O dem thirty k
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Speaker 1: in cocaine money, and they asked Oj if he would
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Speaker 1: cover it. He said absolutely not. Him and the caller
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Speaker 1: separated for the last time, and then they asked, you
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Speaker 1: mind if we go to the koals try to get
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Speaker 1: the money out of her and maybe make Ronald work
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Speaker 1: at his restaurant to pass out the drugs to deal
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Speaker 1: with him there, and OJ said, I have no issue
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Speaker 1: with that, but no carm comes to the COLT. So
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Speaker 1: he went over there. Now that's funny. Well, OJ more
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Speaker 1: than likely followed them over there and saw some painus stuff,
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Speaker 1: so he probably stepped in. He could have stepped in.
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Speaker 1: The hell. Wait, is that what he told you or
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Speaker 1: you extrap al Did he tell you that? No? No,
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Speaker 1: he didn't say he stepped in. He said he went
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Speaker 1: over there. Okay, you know what, never mind, never never mind,
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Speaker 1: never mind. Hold on. Jeffrey in your book says that
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Speaker 1: he told you two people know who commit the murders. A. C.
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Speaker 1: Collings and him. Okay, he said he and Collings knew
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Speaker 1: who did it. Hold on back to the lines, Kathy
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Speaker 1: and Madison. Hi, Kathy, thank you for calling. What's your question?
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Speaker 1: Very proud to talk to you. Nancy. The question I
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Speaker 1: had is why why are we even debating this? This
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Speaker 1: guy is a menace. He does not belonged back in society.
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Speaker 1: That's my feeling. He needs to be kept in jail.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Kathy, this is what I don't understand
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Speaker 1: how everybody is running with the fact that the parole
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Speaker 1: board can't look at the double murders. That's simply not true. Well,
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Speaker 1: whether he was an evidence of wrong do whether he
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Speaker 1: was acquitted of the murders or not, the guy's a problem.
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Speaker 1: He's got mental issues. He's a narcissist. He did not
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Speaker 1: care about what happened to his children when his wife's killed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just look at his past record. He's going
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Speaker 1: to do the same thing that he's been doing when
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Speaker 1: he gets back out. He's a menace to society. He
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Speaker 1: needs to stay behind. Kathy and Madison. Thank you for calling,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to pass on your question right now
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Speaker 1: to forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober. Everybody we are standing by.
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Speaker 1: It is now minutes before the parole board will file
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Speaker 1: in and this hearing will start. You know, if you
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Speaker 1: thought it was all over when he was acquitted wrongly
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Speaker 1: on the double murder man, it is not over. It
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Speaker 1: is far from over. Doctor Daniel Bober out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: Can you address Kathy in Wisconsin's issue. I do think
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Speaker 1: that Nancy, that this is a guy who chronically has
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Speaker 1: shown a complete disrespect for the law, for the rules
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Speaker 1: of society. I don't believe in any way shape or
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Speaker 1: form that he's sincerely changed. I believe that it's simply
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Speaker 1: a practical matter of him knowing that for him to
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Speaker 1: get out on parole that he has to keep as
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Speaker 1: quiet and lay as low as possible. So I don't
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Speaker 1: believe he's truly changed. I don't believe he has any remorse.
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Speaker 1: I believe he has a complete sense of entitlement and
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Speaker 1: feels like he could do whatever he wants. So I
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Speaker 1: don't expect it he'll make any meaningful contribution to society whatsoever,
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Speaker 1: or be a productive citizen. I think he will continue
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Speaker 1: living his life exactly the way he did before, which
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Speaker 1: is feeling like he could do anything he wants without
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Speaker 1: hearing rules applying to what is called exactly doctor, it's
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Speaker 1: a combination of narcissism and sociopathy, which means that you
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Speaker 1: have no respect for the rules of society and you
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Speaker 1: feel no remorse and no compassion for people. It's all
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Speaker 1: about you, and that's that's og Simpson in a nutshell.
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Speaker 1: It's all about him. I agree, you keep him scail.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just stunned still that people believe the
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Speaker 1: pro board cannot pay any attention to the double murders.
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Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to the line. Kathy and Wisconsin,
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Speaker 1: thank you for calling. We're all standing by right now
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Speaker 1: ready to hear what the pro board is going to do.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to o'calla, Florida, Carol, thank you for calling. Dear,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about AJ Simpson? Nancy, I've been
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Speaker 1: following you forever. You're awesome about OJ. He needs to
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Speaker 1: stay where he is. I think that he's I think
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Speaker 1: your last caller had it right on. There's a mental
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Speaker 1: issue with him, and he's the sociopath. He just thinks
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Speaker 1: that he can get away with whatever he wants to
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Speaker 1: get away with because he was a star before. And
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Speaker 1: to me, he asked, like he has a pompous attitude
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Speaker 1: so wild, I killed my wife and some guy who cares.
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Speaker 1: And to me, it's just all this parole board stuff
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Speaker 1: and the publicity is just really itching into the Burt
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Speaker 1: family and Nicole's family right now. And I think that
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Speaker 1: is the thing that we all really need to understand.
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Speaker 1: That they're probably praying that he don't see the light
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Speaker 1: of day because he's going to do the same things
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Speaker 1: that he's always done. Just like your left caller said,
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Speaker 1: and like the psychologist said, I mean, what could he do?
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Speaker 1: What could he do when he get out? I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what he can do. Everybody already has fingers. I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what he can do. Same thing he's always done.
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Speaker 1: Shack up with another Nicole Brown lookalike. Yeah, and that
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Speaker 1: lady he was dating after Nicole Brown. I thought he
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Speaker 1: was going to do her. And to be honest with you, Mike,
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Speaker 1: Lily thought so because she was she broke up with
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Speaker 1: him and all this stuff and started believing it eventually,
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Speaker 1: and I thought for sure she was going to be
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Speaker 1: the next one. I'm going to tell you. She said
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Speaker 1: she was afraid for her life and that based on
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Speaker 1: things Simpson had told her, she believed he committed double murder. Everybody,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. I mean, see Grace, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. We are on a court watch
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Speaker 1: a parole board. Watch right now? Is the minute's ticked down?
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Speaker 1: Where in the final hour before a Nevada parole board
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Speaker 1: files in And here's from OJ Simpson himself via video,
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Speaker 1: will they grant him parole? We will get the answer
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Speaker 1: to that today. According to sources, this amist claims that
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Speaker 1: OJ Simpson's whole parole board hearing is going to be
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Speaker 1: thrown off because Simpson was caught let me just say,
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Speaker 1: pleasing himself in his Nevada prison cell by a female
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Speaker 1: corrections officer. Yes, that's the nicest way I can put it.
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Speaker 1: Will Simpson's parole be in jeopardy after he's caught pleasuring
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Speaker 1: himself in his cell? That's the bomb that just dropped.
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Speaker 1: after the decisions handed down. I want to go straight
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Speaker 1: to Art, Harris Art, you've heard the reports the former
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Speaker 1: football great caught pleasuring himself by a female corrections officer
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Speaker 1: who is making her normal rounds at Lovelock Correctional in Nevada.
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Speaker 1: He is facing disciplinary hearing after being written up. I'm
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Speaker 1: not really sure how that can be a violation. It
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Speaker 1: seemed as if to these reports, if they're true, this
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Speaker 1: occurred in June. What do you know about it, Well,
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Speaker 1: Nan Sow. According to prison rules that if the officer
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Speaker 1: believes that his actions were quote intentional, this is something
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Speaker 1: that violates the Prisons quote Rape Elimination Act of two
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Speaker 1: thousand and three. It's a federal law dealing with sexual
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Speaker 1: assault of prisoners. How can that not be intentional? Well? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're he having a dream of some sort,
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Speaker 1: another dream like the one about Nicole being murdered, that dream,
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Speaker 1: remember that one? Yeah, there you go. So this is
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Speaker 1: probably a question for the psychiatrist. But the officers, this
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Speaker 1: is a dilemma for you know, for the prison. But
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Speaker 1: you know, it gives the parole board something quote hard
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Speaker 1: to hang on to if they want to hang their
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Speaker 1: hats on rejection. This could be the straw that breaks
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Speaker 1: OJ's quest for freedom. Now there are reports that this
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Speaker 1: is incorrect. It makes me wonder where the report came.
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Speaker 1: Because it's now all over the media. We are taking
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Speaker 1: your calls out to Mateo and Washington. Hi, Matteo, thank
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Speaker 1: you for calling. Hi. Nancy. I love you, I love
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Speaker 1: you and Dance with Stars, I love you. Whatever you do,
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Speaker 1: I love you, Matteo, thank you for that. You can
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Speaker 1: tell the defense for that. Hey, we all can't dance,
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Speaker 1: but at least you tried. You have children. He showed
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Speaker 1: me you could tried. You're a winner in my eyes.
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Speaker 1: I would like to remind you, Matteo, Matteo, Matteo, hold on, Matello,
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Speaker 1: let me remind you and your friends that I was
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Speaker 1: a feisty fan favorite and I did manage to make
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Speaker 1: it all the way to the second to the end
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Speaker 1: of the show and was in the coveted final five. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so that's my interpretation of what happened on Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the Stars. Okay, now go ahead. But your personality, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that is in your personality you want have gone there
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Speaker 1: and kick you know what, and you don't even care
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Speaker 1: about the name. So that's what I love about you.
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Speaker 1: But you are fun to watch. I just want to
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Speaker 1: tell you, O, J. Simpson, what's going on? I just
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, if you had a choice
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Speaker 1: to put one of two people on the brother for death,
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Speaker 1: who to be Anthony? J. Simpson? Well, you know what,
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Speaker 1: that's a tough decision right there. That's a tough decision.
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Speaker 1: And also, nobody can single handedly send someone to the
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Speaker 1: death penalty. It takes a jury. And here's the balancing
19:37
Speaker 1: in that. I'm going to go to you, doctor Daniel
19:39
Speaker 1: bober and Todd mom casey Anthony the victim was so young,
19:47
Speaker 1: so sweet, so in a child vulnerable. But also when
19:53
Speaker 1: you look at Nicole and Ron, what life is more
19:57
Speaker 1: valuable than another life? I mean, people have ask me
20:00
Speaker 1: a lot of times, MATEO, what has been your favorite case?
20:06
Speaker 1: They're not like a favorite dish or a favorite memory.
20:09
Speaker 1: Cases involve a lot of heartache and a lot of
20:13
Speaker 1: tragedy and a lot of suffering. And even if you
20:16
Speaker 1: get a conviction, it's a very still For me, every
20:20
Speaker 1: time I walked out of the courtroom, even if I
20:22
Speaker 1: want a case, felt very sad. It was almost a relief,
20:25
Speaker 1: not jubilant. It was like, Okay, he's off the street. Next.
20:30
Speaker 1: So to pick a particular case I think is really
20:34
Speaker 1: placing one victim above another victim. But I've got to
20:39
Speaker 1: agree with you, mateo. Those are two of the most
20:43
Speaker 1: notorious killers I have ever ever encountered. And again, as
20:50
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix keeps pointing out, author of Guarding the Jews,
20:54
Speaker 1: he was acquitted by a criminal jury, as was Tott. Mom,
20:58
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he didn't do it, okay. In fact,
21:01
Speaker 1: one of the Gerars has now spoken out that acquitted
21:03
Speaker 1: Simpson and says, now, well, now that I see the evidence,
21:07
Speaker 1: I think he did do it. So you know that
21:09
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that means does not mean anything to me
21:12
Speaker 1: because my analysis of the facts and evidence say he
21:15
Speaker 1: did do it. I'm glad you're with me, Mattello. As
21:17
Speaker 1: we're waiting for the parole board to file in. What
21:21
Speaker 1: do you think, Matteo, they're gonna parole him or not?
21:23
Speaker 1: Are they going to set them free? I think I
21:26
Speaker 1: think they're going to, And I unfortunately feel like maybe
21:29
Speaker 1: we should just I don't. I think we should let
21:32
Speaker 1: up and just let him live in if he screws up,
21:34
Speaker 1: he's done. But unfortunately, whose cost is going to be Mattello,
21:39
Speaker 1: thank you for calling in so Art, I'm going to
21:42
Speaker 1: shift gears now. I want to go back to the
21:44
Speaker 1: parole board hearing. Tell me how it's going to go down.
21:47
Speaker 1: I know it's a video thing, and right now we're
21:50
Speaker 1: less than an hour away from the answer. Go ahead, Art,
21:53
Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear if one of the victims of
21:56
Speaker 1: that robbery, mister Bruce Furlong is going to testify. They
21:59
Speaker 1: won't confirm it, but he has apparently forgiven oj supposedly,
22:03
Speaker 1: so he may say, look, I didn't realize there was
22:06
Speaker 1: going to be so much time attached to any conviction,
22:09
Speaker 1: or I might not have pressed charges or wanted to.
22:11
Speaker 1: But he's going to be evaluated, Nancy, as someone who
22:15
Speaker 1: on a scale. They have a point system, and if
22:18
Speaker 1: he's done a significant amount of time, he's sort of
22:21
Speaker 1: in that category of someone and his age who does
22:24
Speaker 1: qualify and may well get parole at four of seven commissioners.
22:27
Speaker 1: He's got to win over at the parole hearing. And
22:30
Speaker 1: on this point system they look at gang membership, drug
22:33
Speaker 1: and alcohol abuse, age and they assess his eligibility and
22:36
Speaker 1: each issue has a value of one to minus one
22:39
Speaker 1: to plus two. They add him up and then they vote. So,
22:43
Speaker 1: you know, if the sexual tecadillo allegedly that has been
22:47
Speaker 1: reported doesn't come in there, and there's discretion on the
22:50
Speaker 1: part of the officer who supposedly caught him, the odds
22:53
Speaker 1: are in his favor. If he's got a good argument
22:56
Speaker 1: that he has not been in a lot of trouble.
22:58
Speaker 1: He's apparently, he claims he's broke up fights, he's advised
23:02
Speaker 1: these these young inmates on getting their life straight, and
23:05
Speaker 1: he's he's a hero inside. So I'm sure he was
23:08
Speaker 1: able to bask in that that egotism that he needs
23:12
Speaker 1: so much, and the narcissism was indulged behind bars, you know,
23:15
Speaker 1: the way the psychiatrists has explained. And how does he
23:19
Speaker 1: justify this? Well, getting back to who did it? He
23:22
Speaker 1: looked in the mirror and told the guard that only
23:25
Speaker 1: he and ac knew. How does it jive with the
23:28
Speaker 1: fact that he's still looking for the killer. If he
23:31
Speaker 1: knows who did it, how why does he have to
23:32
Speaker 1: look so Yeah, it's interesting. If he claims he knows
23:35
Speaker 1: who did it, why didn't tell police? Why would Why
23:37
Speaker 1: didn't that come out at the trial? I want to
23:40
Speaker 1: go back to Jeffrey Felix on that author of guarding
23:43
Speaker 1: the Jews. How OJ Simpson became my prison bff? How
23:46
Speaker 1: did Simpson get so out of shape behind bars? Jeffrey, Well,
23:52
Speaker 1: he likes eating cookies and a cake. Can I address
23:56
Speaker 1: the pro board issue, Nancy real quick? Yeah? Okay, O. J.
23:59
Speaker 1: Simpson has been locked up for roughly nine years. He's
24:02
Speaker 1: gone right up free. He's done all the programming the
24:05
Speaker 1: pro board asked him to do and more. He's taken
24:08
Speaker 1: all the education classics. He has gone above and beyond
24:12
Speaker 1: being a role model inmate. Okay, he was a facilitator
24:16
Speaker 1: out there. He stopped trouble before trouble started. He's had
24:20
Speaker 1: the same job for eight years. The pro board will
24:24
Speaker 1: grant him the prole It's almost a guarantee. The sexual
24:28
Speaker 1: thing never happened. I spoken to prison officials that are
24:32
Speaker 1: very high up. That never happened. It's not that OJ
24:35
Speaker 1: is a menace to society and looks for problems. He
24:39
Speaker 1: was laying down low doing his own thing, and he
24:41
Speaker 1: got a call from a guy saying, Hey, they have
24:43
Speaker 1: your stuff, OJ, let's go get it. He was set
24:46
Speaker 1: up for that. Okay, hold on, wait a minute, Wait,
24:49
Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, that was not O. J.
24:53
Speaker 1: Simpson's stuff. Number one, that was not his quote stuff.
24:58
Speaker 1: The victims have been clear about that, even to this day.
25:02
Speaker 1: He looked at the judge and lied and said there
25:05
Speaker 1: were family heirlooms. That is a lie. Number two, he
25:10
Speaker 1: said he did not know anybody was armed. That is
25:14
Speaker 1: a lie. They were brandishing guns. They burst into this
25:21
Speaker 1: room where they were selling sports memorabilia, started screaming, nobody
25:25
Speaker 1: leaves the room, nobody leaves the room, and put guns
25:28
Speaker 1: in the victims' faces. Okay, that is an armed robbery
25:33
Speaker 1: and a kidnapping. Well bam, okay, Well I don't know
25:36
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. When OJ saw them in the lobby,
25:39
Speaker 1: the one guy came up to OJ and he said,
25:41
Speaker 1: I have a gun And OJ said you have a license.
25:44
Speaker 1: He said yes, OJ said don't. OJ told me. He
25:48
Speaker 1: told him, don't take the gun out. We're knocking and
25:50
Speaker 1: need it. Now. You gotta remember all these guys that
25:53
Speaker 1: OJ was surrounding himself with. These guys aren't some of
25:57
Speaker 1: your better citizens. We can all agree on that. I mean,
26:00
Speaker 1: these guys changed their stories. So what's your point point is?
26:03
Speaker 1: Is that this whole thing in Vegas. Was this a
26:06
Speaker 1: way to get OJ that California couldn't do? You know,
26:10
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends that are attorneys in Vagua.
26:12
Speaker 1: Oh so you're saying that the guys that were with
26:15
Speaker 1: him were what working with the police to catch OJ Simpson?
26:20
Speaker 1: And if I watched along with somebody pulls the gun,
26:22
Speaker 1: I get the I get away. I don't want to
26:25
Speaker 1: be with anybody pulling a gun. He pulled, They pulled
26:29
Speaker 1: the gun and left with the stuff. How can I
26:33
Speaker 1: even say Simpson did not know what happening? Is that
26:38
Speaker 1: you aren't coming here? I was going I was going
26:40
Speaker 1: to interject that one of the stories that I learned
26:43
Speaker 1: was that he was wondering and afraid. Maybe these guys
26:46
Speaker 1: have guns themselves, I mean their memorability dealers. They have
26:49
Speaker 1: a lot of cash, so I better be prepared. So
26:52
Speaker 1: he surrounds himself with the goons. He's been out there
26:54
Speaker 1: for a wedding, whether he's had a few drinks or not.
26:56
Speaker 1: You know, he thinks this is a great idea. He
26:58
Speaker 1: may be impressionable by his you know, his fans. However,
27:01
Speaker 1: OJ is OJ, and like the trial, we all know
27:04
Speaker 1: he called the shots. He was the quarterback, and everyone
27:08
Speaker 1: fawms over him and does his bidding. So, you know,
27:11
Speaker 1: to say that it was bad guys around him, that
27:14
Speaker 1: is really they're bad guys. Who do you think Simpson's
27:18
Speaker 1: hanging around with doctor Daniel bober nuns and priests and
27:21
Speaker 1: virgins and no, and another saying this is just absurd,
27:26
Speaker 1: it's absurd. Yeah, it's crazy talk, This is absurd. Oj Oj,
27:30
Speaker 1: It's all this is on OJ. OJ made a decision
27:33
Speaker 1: to go up there. OJ is a common criminal. OJ
27:36
Speaker 1: is a common criminal with a football jersey. But he's
27:38
Speaker 1: still a criminal. He made the decision to go up
27:40
Speaker 1: to that hotel room. He could have called the police,
27:42
Speaker 1: he could have handled it in a civilized way. He
27:44
Speaker 1: was the one who escalated the conflict and made the
27:46
Speaker 1: decision to go up there with force. So you can't
27:48
Speaker 1: take any responsibility away from him on that. That was
27:51
Speaker 1: all on him, So to say otherwise, if you look
27:53
Speaker 1: at it this way, Okay, what if it was anybody else,
27:56
Speaker 1: anybody else other than OJ Simpson ad have got one
28:00
Speaker 1: year of probation, maybe one year approbation. That is not true.
28:06
Speaker 1: I tried armed robbery cases armed robbery and Kenneth oh no, sir,
28:11
Speaker 1: h you're going to jail, and I put plenty of
28:14
Speaker 1: people behind bars with the help of juries. When you
28:17
Speaker 1: pull a gun on somebody, you're going to jail. Nobody
28:20
Speaker 1: got straight probation with me. And you can't have it
28:24
Speaker 1: both ways. OJ got sent to jail because he's famous,
28:27
Speaker 1: and OJ got quinned because he's famous. No, and what
28:30
Speaker 1: about the beatings of Nicole Brown? What about that? It's
28:35
Speaker 1: like her life means nothing in this scenario. We're all
28:38
Speaker 1: talking about Simpson, Simpson, Simpson, what about her? She was
28:42
Speaker 1: a mother, for Pete's sake, with two little children to raise,
28:45
Speaker 1: and she's dead and they have been raised without her
28:48
Speaker 1: and him claiming some drug dealer did it bs B s.
28:52
Speaker 1: If that were true, Johnny cochrane would have brought that
28:55
Speaker 1: up at trial and that would have been the defense. No,
29:00
Speaker 1: not one word was said about that. And Stepson didn't
29:03
Speaker 1: have the backbone to take the stand. You know why,
29:06
Speaker 1: because he would have been cut up, carved up like
29:08
Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving turkey on cross exam and all this business.
29:11
Speaker 1: No offense, Jeffrey Felix, because I enjoyed reading your book.
29:15
Speaker 1: No offense, But to say he has been a model prisoner,
29:17
Speaker 1: he should get out. That's like saying, you know, y'all,
29:19
Speaker 1: let the devil out of hell because he filed his
29:22
Speaker 1: taxes on time last year. You know what? No, well, no, okay, well,
29:27
Speaker 1: I'm going to the lines Patrick and Buffalo. What's your question,
29:30
Speaker 1: dear I Nancy. It's a pleasure to meet you. I'm
29:33
Speaker 1: actually seventeen years old, and you're a huge role model
29:36
Speaker 1: for me. What you do for victims right, just amazing.
29:38
Speaker 1: Thank you. I would dislike to comment on Jeffrey's point
29:41
Speaker 1: of view from the OJ Simpson I think he's an
29:45
Speaker 1: evil man. I actually live in Buffalo and OJ used
29:47
Speaker 1: to play football here in Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo wants
29:50
Speaker 1: to see OJ still be locked up in jail. Also,
29:54
Speaker 1: for the people out there that are saying OJ should
29:57
Speaker 1: be off free, I believe that. Oh for the people
30:02
Speaker 1: that are saying that he never even killed. Lady justice
30:05
Speaker 1: isn't always right. I mean, I like to think lady
30:07
Speaker 1: justice is always fair and balance. But there's people that
30:10
Speaker 1: are in jail that never committed a crime, and there's
30:13
Speaker 1: people that are walking around they committed a crime and
30:15
Speaker 1: that are not in jail. So I don't think we
30:17
Speaker 1: could just go off of, oh, he's a nice man,
30:20
Speaker 1: he should be walking free. He's an you know art,
30:23
Speaker 1: you know, aren't you and I go way back? Okay,
30:27
Speaker 1: you know how much I loved your sister Meg. But
30:30
Speaker 1: for you to to to talk to me and argue
30:34
Speaker 1: that he's been great behind bars, that that is not
30:38
Speaker 1: worth the salt that goes in my bread, because I'm
30:41
Speaker 1: saying I'm not arguing for him. I'm saying that is
30:44
Speaker 1: to be argued, and that's what they will. They will,
30:46
Speaker 1: they will possibly consider, But he is he is someone
30:49
Speaker 1: who has harmed a lot of people. The pain and
30:52
Speaker 1: suffering that the Goldman's have to live with with the
30:55
Speaker 1: creditor as creditors of a thirty three men in dollar debt,
30:58
Speaker 1: they have not collected much at all from him, and
31:01
Speaker 1: no amount of money could could satisfy the heartache that
31:06
Speaker 1: they have had to go through. To watch them in
31:09
Speaker 1: that courtroom, Nancy and we were sitting close to them
31:11
Speaker 1: when the verdict was read, the horror on their faces,
31:15
Speaker 1: it was just heart wrenching. And so, okay, all right,
31:18
Speaker 1: you've brought me to my senses. You are right those
31:22
Speaker 1: even though I don't like to hear it, you're right,
31:24
Speaker 1: that is what they're going to consider. We're taking your
31:27
Speaker 1: calls straight to the lines. Linda from Melbourne, Florida high LANDA.
31:32
Speaker 1: I guess you know where O. J. Simpson is headed.
31:35
Speaker 1: If he does make parole, straight to Florida where no
31:39
Speaker 1: income tax and they can't touch his house and so
31:42
Speaker 1: forth and so on, he'll he'll haven't made the shade, right.
31:45
Speaker 1: I guess he would probably anywhere he would he would. Yeah,
31:48
Speaker 1: what do you think, Linda, Well, I think he will
31:51
Speaker 1: get paroled, but I think it will be the biggest
31:52
Speaker 1: injustice that ever happened to this country. He is a narcissist,
31:56
Speaker 1: He thinks he's above the law. He is dangerous and
31:59
Speaker 1: he will never change. You know what everybody keeps saying, Linda.
32:03
Speaker 1: They keep saying the parole Board has to let him out.
32:06
Speaker 1: That is not true. Their decision is discretionary. There is
32:11
Speaker 1: no appeal and he's only done nine years of a
32:14
Speaker 1: thirty three year sentence. Why should they let him out? No,
32:19
Speaker 1: he should stay there at least at least so tell
32:23
Speaker 1: me this aren't Why does it seem to be that
32:26
Speaker 1: everyone is suggesting the media, specifically that the parole Board
32:30
Speaker 1: has to let him out that's not true. Well, they
32:32
Speaker 1: have they have their their guidelines and they can do
32:36
Speaker 1: what they what they want, what they feel is right, Nancy.
32:38
Speaker 1: But we do not have any oversight on them, and
32:42
Speaker 1: we don't know what the victims' statements, how much they
32:45
Speaker 1: will play, and how much the quote supposed forgiveness of
32:49
Speaker 1: one of the robbed dealers will play if he forgives
32:52
Speaker 1: OJ and has publicly if he's going to testify, what
32:56
Speaker 1: will they do if suddenly something comes up. I mean,
32:59
Speaker 1: they can hang the hat. It's like reasonable doubt, Nancy.
33:01
Speaker 1: You know, the jury there was given so many options
33:05
Speaker 1: of what they could pen you know, his innocence on
33:09
Speaker 1: that they just had to pick one or two. As
33:11
Speaker 1: Tom Lang, a homicidetective said, you know, the defense just
33:14
Speaker 1: through spaghetti in the wall and see what you know,
33:16
Speaker 1: what stuck and the defense could the jury can pick
33:20
Speaker 1: what they wanted, and they did because there was so
33:21
Speaker 1: much bias and you know, the atmosphere around the trial
33:24
Speaker 1: and the history UH and the jury selection. So this
33:28
Speaker 1: was really a done deal from from the get go.
33:31
Speaker 1: And now we don't know, we don't know what is
33:34
Speaker 1: going on inside the minds of these borld board members
33:37
Speaker 1: and so um. You know, they can justify one way
33:40
Speaker 1: or the other, but you're right, they do not have
33:42
Speaker 1: to let him go. If they feel that that evil
33:45
Speaker 1: will will get a holiday here, well that's a good
33:48
Speaker 1: way to put it. Evil will get a holiday. Susan
33:52
Speaker 1: in Napa, California. Hi, Susan, thank you for calling. What's
33:55
Speaker 1: your question? Dear, so long to talk to you. I'm
33:59
Speaker 1: much so much. I love it, Ashley Banfield, but there's
34:03
Speaker 1: only one Nancy Grace, and I hope some day you
34:06
Speaker 1: come back to TV. My own feeling about it as yes,
34:10
Speaker 1: he was guilty of the murders. He got away with murder,
34:13
Speaker 1: just like Kasey Anthony. I believe for both trials, the
34:19
Speaker 1: jurors after they heard all the evidence, after the trials
34:23
Speaker 1: were finished, you know, may I believe they said they
34:27
Speaker 1: may have voted, you know, for guilty in both verdicts
34:31
Speaker 1: in both cases. I think they're going to let him out.
34:35
Speaker 1: But I'm a special or was a special ed teacher
34:39
Speaker 1: with at risk kids, had a lot of mental health training,
34:42
Speaker 1: and I would go as far as to say he
34:44
Speaker 1: has antisocial personality disorder, not sociopathic, but psychopathics. I'm glad
34:50
Speaker 1: you said that, Susan. Number one, I want to thank
34:53
Speaker 1: you for stick and buy me all these years when
34:56
Speaker 1: I was on TV, on Court, TV and HL and
35:00
Speaker 1: yes I am planning to come back to TV. Do
35:03
Speaker 1: you remember all the way back when I had the
35:05
Speaker 1: show with Johnny Cochrane. I mean, wow, God rest his
35:09
Speaker 1: soul is what I can say about Johnny. And I
35:12
Speaker 1: learned a lot about how he managed to win cases.
35:16
Speaker 1: He was very charismatic, very charming, and likable. That's what
35:21
Speaker 1: it was, Susan. He was likable. I want to talk
35:25
Speaker 1: to him. You know that person that shows up at
35:28
Speaker 1: the party and everybody wants to talk to him, That
35:30
Speaker 1: that's him. That was Johnny. So I think the jury
35:33
Speaker 1: liked him. They thought they knew Simpson. And with me
35:37
Speaker 1: right now, is somebody that does know Simpson. Jeffrey Felix,
35:41
Speaker 1: the author of Guarding the O J. Simpson became my
35:46
Speaker 1: prison BF. So, Jeffrey, what is it about Simpson? What
35:53
Speaker 1: is the charisma that makes people think like a war
35:56
Speaker 1: around him? Like a positive or he's just a nice guy.
36:00
Speaker 1: He respects everybody. He just gets along with people. He
36:04
Speaker 1: doesn't talk down to people. He says he you know
36:07
Speaker 1: what it introvert, an extrovert? Is he like a super extrovert.
36:11
Speaker 1: He likes a lot of people, a lot of friends,
36:14
Speaker 1: and I think people just think the worst of them.
36:17
Speaker 1: You know, he more than likely he might have been
36:21
Speaker 1: involved in the murders. I don't think he did the murders.
36:25
Speaker 1: I think people just go overboard with this guy. I
36:27
Speaker 1: think people just look, people need somebody to hate. Okay,
36:31
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Jeffrey, that is so not what
36:33
Speaker 1: I asked you. Okay, because one jury said he did it.
36:38
Speaker 1: Jurars off the first criminal trial are now saying they
36:42
Speaker 1: think he did it. So you know that your story
36:46
Speaker 1: or his story that he told you that drug dealers
36:51
Speaker 1: came to him and that about Nicole and that he
36:57
Speaker 1: knows who did the murder, well, you know what, that
36:59
Speaker 1: makes zero sense because he should have used that at trial.
37:04
Speaker 1: But that simply was never the defense. Well okay, if
37:10
Speaker 1: that were true, why didn't he want to get the
37:12
Speaker 1: people that killed Nicole and Ron? Why didn't he tell
37:15
Speaker 1: police about it? Well, he wanted to what it was
37:18
Speaker 1: it was? Why didn't he and Shappier, all of his
37:21
Speaker 1: attorneys No, no, baby doll, no, no, no, don't you
37:26
Speaker 1: remember that low speed chase. Yeah, he could have told
37:29
Speaker 1: him right then. He could have told him the night
37:31
Speaker 1: Nicole was killed, couldn't he before Cochrane was ever even
37:34
Speaker 1: part of it. He was in shop cockran didn't you
37:37
Speaker 1: come in? No, honey? He went and caught a plane
37:42
Speaker 1: and tried to explain how he cut his hand. Yes, please,
37:45
Speaker 1: do you know when we were covering this, I would
37:48
Speaker 1: try to parse the truth from all the spin that
37:51
Speaker 1: was being put out there. This was one of the
37:53
Speaker 1: great impossible to prove rumors the defense had out there
37:58
Speaker 1: that drug dealers had killed Nicole, And you know, cops
38:02
Speaker 1: actually followed up on some of these, but there were
38:04
Speaker 1: no solid leaves, Nancy. They could never chase us down
38:07
Speaker 1: the rat hole that OJ has apparently led this prison
38:11
Speaker 1: BFF guard down with him, and he's got willing ears.
38:15
Speaker 1: Anybody who was not there, who didn't study the actual evidence, Nancy,
38:19
Speaker 1: and did not know what happened to the trial, is
38:21
Speaker 1: not really in a position to pontificate about whether OJ
38:25
Speaker 1: is guilty or not. And I am just still stunned
38:28
Speaker 1: that anybody in this earth who has studied the trial
38:32
Speaker 1: considers that he did not kill these two people. You
38:35
Speaker 1: mentioned something else Jeffrey, Let's say you said about the
38:39
Speaker 1: dry deal. You said Simpson told you he cut his
38:42
Speaker 1: hand playing golf. Yes, yes, I played golf. I've cut
38:45
Speaker 1: my hand a futah really, But he told police he
38:48
Speaker 1: cut his hands on a glass at the hotel when
38:52
Speaker 1: he landed. I think it was at Chicago. That's what
38:54
Speaker 1: he told police. And now he told you a different story.
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Speaker 1: I've never known a golf club to be a sharp utense.
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Speaker 1: But whatever you know, you're saying he is a nice guy,
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Speaker 1: which is they're here and her there. But when he
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Speaker 1: was confronted under oath in a deposition and shown the
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Speaker 1: photo of Nicole's bruised and swollen face, that's when he
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Speaker 1: pled guilty to beating her. Okay, And just a few
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Speaker 1: days before she was murdered, she called a battered women's
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Speaker 1: center in fear for her life just before she was murdered.
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Speaker 1: Yes she did, okay, But he was shown her photo
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Speaker 1: with her face all swollen up and bloody and bruised.
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Speaker 1: And do you know what he said under oath? Doctor
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Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist out of Florida, during the deposition,
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Speaker 1: Petrochelli quizzed him on these photographs, and he actually said
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Speaker 1: that he denied hitting her, and that what was on
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Speaker 1: her face was actually makeup, that she put the bruises
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Speaker 1: on her face with makeup, and that the photo reflected
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Speaker 1: quote doing a movie that we're doing and we're doing makeup.
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Speaker 1: That's what he said about the photo and the police
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Speaker 1: file of one of the times he beat her horribly.
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Speaker 1: So I just can't stand by and let people talk
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Speaker 1: about what a nice guy he is. But we'll help
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Speaker 1: me out. I mean, it's complete nonsense, really complete nonsense.
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Speaker 1: In that trial. There was a lot of a lot
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Speaker 1: of perjury going on. Mark Freman perjured himself. I mean
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean but that doesn't mean know you didn't do
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Speaker 1: it though, just because Mark Fremin perjured himself, well, Mark
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Speaker 1: Furman was also at the house when he was beating
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Speaker 1: the coal. Nancy responded to those calls, and they tried
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Speaker 1: to make it look like he had an inform because
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Speaker 1: he knew the dirty little secrets of OJ. So, you know,
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Speaker 1: we really you got to look at the facts. Let
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Speaker 1: me ask you something right now that you said that
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Speaker 1: you reminded me of something that you would only know
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Speaker 1: about if you had been in the preliminary hearings leading
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Speaker 1: up to the trial hearing what would and would not
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Speaker 1: come into evidence? How many times did he beat her?
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Speaker 1: Do we have any idea? I don't. I just know
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Speaker 1: there were a number of calls into the West Precinct
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Speaker 1: of Lam about Oja beating her that she would call in.
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Speaker 1: And you know, this was a familiar domestic abuse domicile
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Speaker 1: as far as the police were concerned. And the Furman,
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Speaker 1: uh you know, knew about that. So um he knew
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Speaker 1: where OJ lives because they'd been there before. In response
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Speaker 1: to these calls, I think if you if you you know,
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Speaker 1: know that then and you go back and look at
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Speaker 1: I studied. I've interviewed people who sold OJ cocaine and
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Speaker 1: they did. He did a lot of it with Nicole,
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Speaker 1: but he did it with other people. And you know
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Speaker 1: he was blaming her for his drug usage, so you know,
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Speaker 1: he was in control of the whole show. As a
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist has said, as a narcissist, you know, he's the
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Speaker 1: one who who calls the shots, and that is that's OJ.
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Speaker 1: He know. I just don't know how trebober hold on. Doctor.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Crystal in Athens, Ohio, how
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Speaker 1: a parole board could live with themselves while letting this
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Speaker 1: guy go. He's only done nine of thirty three year
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Speaker 1: sentence to Crystal Athens, Ohio. What do you think about
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Speaker 1: the parole board? I mean, they're they're heading in right now.
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Speaker 1: What do you think about the Pearl board. I'm very
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Speaker 1: sad that this his murder issues is not going to
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Speaker 1: be considerated. And I'm also very sad that, you know,
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Speaker 1: he apparently is like, you know, a father figure in
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Speaker 1: prison and tells everybody, oh, you know, do the right thing.
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Speaker 1: You know, we have two people that lost their lives
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Speaker 1: and to this day, I mean, and it's no one's
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Speaker 1: fault really, but it's all about OJ. But we have
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Speaker 1: two people that lost our lives and their families that
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Speaker 1: are still reeling from this, and I just out, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I take one look at those crime scene
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Speaker 1: photos of Nicole and Ron and I think about her children.
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Speaker 1: Now that I finally have children, I think about them
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Speaker 1: growing up without a mom Crystal, and it's it's heartbreaking
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Speaker 1: to me how the children carry that around every day.
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Speaker 1: The pro board hearing is starting in about four minutes
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Speaker 1: very quickly. Kevin and Clinton Arkansas's What's your question, Kevin,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for calling. Oh hi, I just wanted to say
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Speaker 1: I don't think O j O bee out. I'm with
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Speaker 1: you Kevin and Clinton Arkansas. Kevin, why do you say that? Well,
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Speaker 1: I just believe that he is guilty of those other crimes,
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Speaker 1: even though they doesn't have anything to do with this.
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Speaker 1: But I think he's a sociated path psychlopath. I tell
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Speaker 1: him what he might do, what he does, get out
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Speaker 1: again if he does. But I think I got to
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Speaker 1: keep the their delasavy in that way to be too
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Speaker 1: old to being I sure hope so. But I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this, Kevin and Clinton Arkansas. I remember prosecuting
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Speaker 1: a guy in Atlanta for a child molestation. He was
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Speaker 1: in his seventies by the time I got to hold him.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have any problems putting him behind bars, but
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Speaker 1: he had been molesting people since his thirties that I
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Speaker 1: knew of, and he was in his mid seventies. So
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Speaker 1: you know what it's like the devil, you know, they
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Speaker 1: never get too old to pull a crime, you know, Kevin,
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for calling in. And one another
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Speaker 1: thing you said, Kevin, I want to follow up on,
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Speaker 1: is you said the double murders had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with this. See that's what everybody wants us to think.
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Speaker 1: But the parole Board is allowed to look at aggravating
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Speaker 1: circumstances and other bad acts. It doesn't have to be
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Speaker 1: a conviction. And a civil jury did convict him, did
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Speaker 1: find him responsible, so they can look at this. How
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Speaker 1: can you consider letting Joe Simpson walk free? Knowing what
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Speaker 1: you know? I mean, if they have any conscience at all,
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Speaker 1: they will keep him behind bars. As I said earlier,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you could hear me Kevin and Arkansas,
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Speaker 1: but it's just like saying, let's let the devil out
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Speaker 1: of hell because he filed his income taxes on time
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Speaker 1: the last nine years. Oh no, not on my watch.
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Speaker 1: We are heading to the Parole Board hearing. Go to
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Speaker 1: Crime Online to watch what happens. We are covering it,
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Speaker 1: streaming it everyone. Thank you for being with me. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend. Stay tuned for
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