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Men want children and that's disgusting · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning, get afternoon, good evening, wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian here with Alison, and this is maintaining frame
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  Speaker 1: men want children and that's disgusting. Where we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be going through this BuzzFeed listical because it's twenty fifteen
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  Speaker 1: all over again, I guess, not twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's always time, like it's always the era for
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  Speaker 2: hating on men for no apparent reasonly. Was this something
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  Speaker 2: that needed to happen? Did was anybody really talking about this? Was?
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  Speaker 2: Was there anything like occurring? Nope, BuzzFeed just comes out
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  Speaker 2: with something, let's hate on men today. What's the topic?
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  Speaker 2: Roll the wheel, We'll roll the wheel of missonry. Just
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  Speaker 2: find out what it lands on and let's hate on
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  Speaker 2: men for it. All right, so here we are, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, Brian, Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right. So we have this article from BuzzFeed.
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  Speaker 1: All this woman asks why so many men want kids
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  Speaker 1: while women don't? And the top responses are honestly hard
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  Speaker 1: to argue with.
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  Speaker 2: So a woman, as in, when they say hard to
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  Speaker 2: argue with, they mean compete.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to argue for children.
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  Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean that it's completely unsourced. They have
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  Speaker 2: they never asked a man.
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  Speaker 3: So, oh no, we're gonna go in and we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: engage in a feat of astounding ignorance, complete blind ignorance, right,
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  Speaker 3: not even bothering to ask men why they might want
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  Speaker 3: to have kids.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're just gonna go to our child free And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a problem if these women
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  Speaker 2: want don't want to have children? Fine, but do you
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  Speaker 2: have to like, do you have to engage in miss injury? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to do you have to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Is it necessary to generate hostility towards a completely different
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  Speaker 2: group that is has nothing to do with your decision
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  Speaker 2: right in the process of living your life? Is that necessary?
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  Speaker 2: Apparently it is? All right? So do you want me
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  Speaker 1: I mean I still use it, but yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: No, DARKI gymor No, no, this one is from No.
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  Speaker 1: We got one from Sleepy Ausy. He gives us fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sleepy Ozzy really appreciate it. And I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you a sound of that, and he says, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you, Allison. I took
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I'm glad to have I'm glad to have
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  Speaker 1: I'm a video game no, I think he's doing a
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, but no, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: probably after my rant about I don't know. If you're
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  Speaker 2: If you're a man, Yeah, because it's that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you still will, but they can't replace you
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  Speaker 2: because women either don't want your job or functionally can't
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  Speaker 2: that there are jobs that women cannot do. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not even by because of them physically, it's because of
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  Speaker 2: female undergraduates. College students fail the waterline test. So there
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  Speaker 2: young man, find your find your path there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so that's the super chat.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you for that, super sleepy Auzie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to help. Shall we continue?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got to start.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well right, yes, see already with the being able
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  Speaker 2: to pass the waterline test, thinking there, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get into the article. Now, this is
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  Speaker 1: BuzzFeed Sex and Love. God. So the reason why I said, like,
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  Speaker 1: BuzzFeed I haven't heard from since like the old gamer
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  Speaker 1: gay days takes me back. I thought they were gone.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they were done telling people which Disney princess
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  Speaker 1: they were. I thought that those that was over. But no,
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't gone away. It's still it still exists. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: though they're you know, the they do are They are
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  Speaker 1: asking for memberships. So I guess, well, I have to
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  Speaker 1: look into how well BuzzFeed's been doing since the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the world has moved on. But all right, this
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  Speaker 1: is BuzzFeed's sex and Love section, and the title of
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  Speaker 1: the article is this woman asks why so many men
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  Speaker 1: want kids while women don't, And the top responses are
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  Speaker 1: honestly hard to argue with. Men want kids the way
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  Speaker 1: a toddler wants a puppy. By Victoria vo Voluminos, BuzzFeed contributor.
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  Speaker 1: This is a live Yeah, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, this is gonna be This is gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: balanced look into the question, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, of course, it's gonna be very,
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  Speaker 1: very intellectually dense. We're gonna be h, We're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: enlightened by this. It used to be a running joke
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  Speaker 1: that men were afraid of commitment. The wife was the
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  Speaker 1: ball and chain, and the kids were something women had
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  Speaker 1: the press had to pressure them to. But lately, an
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  Speaker 1: increasing number of women say the script has flipped entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're the ones opting out of parenthood while men
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  Speaker 1: are the ones pushing for marriage and babies. Okay, has
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  Speaker 1: that been true? So like they're immediately making a claim.
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  Speaker 1: It used to be a running joke that men were
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  Speaker 1: afraid of commitment. Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I mean, when in the time
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  Speaker 2: of men being afraid of commitment, we still we seem
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  Speaker 2: to have a lot more marriage. It's like the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing about divorce and how they talk about how horrible
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  Speaker 2: it was that only men could get divorced. Supposedly that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't actually the case, but let's just assume it's the case.
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  Speaker 2: But when only men had the ability to get divorced,
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  Speaker 2: according to feminists, if we assume that to be true,
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  Speaker 2: the divorce rate was like zero point zero five percent. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So what does that say about the ability to commit
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  Speaker 2: to a relationship between the sexes, just say, just putting
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  Speaker 2: it out there, right. And the other thing is, is
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  Speaker 2: this because the desire for children and marriage has declined
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  Speaker 2: among women so that it's now lower than men, or
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  Speaker 2: has like men's increased. I think it's that men's has
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  Speaker 2: gone lower less, if that makes sense, which would be
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  Speaker 2: entirely consistent with having a ideology that is embedded into
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  Speaker 2: every aspect of our society and is probably commands a
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  Speaker 2: trillion dollars worth of annual income. Telling women that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: having a husband and children is the worst thing you
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  Speaker 2: could do with your life. Like, maybe that has something
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  Speaker 2: to do with it. Hey, I mean, this is another
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  Speaker 2: case of we did this thing. What a shock that
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  Speaker 2: this thing has happened, right, Like BuzzFeed is part of
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  Speaker 2: that entire complex. What a shock We told women to
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  Speaker 2: hate men and not have children. They don't like men
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  Speaker 2: and they're not having children. Where did that come from?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But oh what a mystery?
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  Speaker 1: Oh all right? Uh so yeah, so now they're they're
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  Speaker 1: claiming that men didn't want kids or commitment before, but
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  Speaker 1: now they do. I don't, I mean, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's true. I think that's a lie, and I
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  Speaker 1: think they're starting from a false premise for off the bat,
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  Speaker 1: because the media this is another case of feminists referencing
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  Speaker 1: themselves for the truth. Like oh, media says that men,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, think women the wife is the ball
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  Speaker 1: and chain and they don't want to stick around and
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  Speaker 1: raise their kids, like while they have fathers in their life,
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  Speaker 1: like while that most people are doing that. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: it's only things like I don't know the welfare state
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  Speaker 1: that's discouraged this kind of thing. But they so they
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  Speaker 1: start off with a false PREMI then they did. Then
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  Speaker 1: they claim that it's flipped recently, like guys just suddenly
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  Speaker 1: decided they want kids. And of course even even that
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  Speaker 1: claim being untrue, with the claim on top of it,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to use this new lie that they've piled
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  Speaker 1: on the old lie to tell another lie about men,
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  Speaker 1: which is that they actually don't want kids. They just
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  Speaker 1: like like the idea of kids, and the same way
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  Speaker 1: that women don't want to be wives. They like the
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  Speaker 1: idea of weddings. So they don't want babies. They just
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  Speaker 1: like baby showers, they like being pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Any what a curiosity, What do you think they would
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  Speaker 2: say if the finding was that when men didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to get married or have children, they.
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  Speaker 1: Get shamed for that. Yeah. Yes, to be back at
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  Speaker 1: the old ball and chain argument.
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  Speaker 2: See the problem here. The problem is that we care
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  Speaker 2: we ask men about their opinion period, right, that men
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  Speaker 2: ever deliver their opinion, that men have an opinion, That
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  Speaker 2: men even have a substrate inside them to have an opinion,
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  Speaker 2: that's the problem. If we just get rid of that,
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  Speaker 2: the world would be perfect utopia. You just get rid
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  Speaker 2: of men's ability to have their own subjective experience. You
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  Speaker 2: just just excize it out of them. It would be beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: The world would be wonderful, isn't that right? BuzzFeed? Just
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  Speaker 2: just get rid of men, not what they do, because
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  Speaker 2: we still sort of need that, but just get rid
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  Speaker 2: of that, you know, the part that, yeah, it complains,
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  Speaker 2: makes opinions, stuff like that. Just get rid of it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the subjective part of it, the human part
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  Speaker 2: of man. Just get rid of it. Why can't you
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  Speaker 2: do that?
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  Speaker 1: Men?
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  Speaker 2: Why can't you become hollow gollums that just do instructions?
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  Speaker 2: Why are you so misogynists? Why do you continue to
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  Speaker 2: exist as an entity? Didn't you know if you loved women?
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  Speaker 2: You would just spontaneously destroy your consciousness. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's keep so as a woman that if this sads
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  Speaker 2: up in a freaking short I don't actually believe that,
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  Speaker 2: don't go into comments and be like, what is wrong
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  Speaker 2: with this woman? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a woman myself, I remember when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid slash teenager, everyone said that marriage and kids
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  Speaker 1: were a ball and chain to a man. Never tell
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  Speaker 1: a man you want kids, or he'd run away, so
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  Speaker 1: wrote I guess you slash crystallized Coy wrote in Our
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  Speaker 1: child Free so here this is exactly what I was
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  Speaker 1: talking about. I was told by people who hate men
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  Speaker 1: that men hate women, and I believe it. Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: it seems like women are largely the ones who don't
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  Speaker 1: want children, and men are determined to find a wife
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  Speaker 1: who wants their babies. They want to notice the framing
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  Speaker 1: in that one too, Men who want their babies so
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  Speaker 1: like not men who want to start a face family,
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  Speaker 1: Men who want women to have their babies, like like
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  Speaker 1: it's a possession, Like it's a piece of property.
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  Speaker 2: Do you realize it's also yours? Lady?
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  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't know it's men wanting them. It's got
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  Speaker 1: to be something out of a movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be something, yeah, merging, I guess with
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  Speaker 2: another human being.
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  Speaker 1: Something that makes reference to men being evil oppressors at
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  Speaker 1: all times. Like that's the baseline. That's like step zero.
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  Speaker 1: That's why when when men want something, it's always at
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  Speaker 1: expense of women. If men have an opinion on something,
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  Speaker 1: it's at the expense of women. If men say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'd really like to start a family, it's like they
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  Speaker 1: don't hear that. It's they hear I really wish I
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  Speaker 1: could enslave a woman, force her to have my children
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  Speaker 1: against her will. You know. That's that's it, and like
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  Speaker 1: you know, have sex with her whenever I want for
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  Speaker 1: men can.
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  Speaker 2: Ever fix this. I'm sorry, track cons. Men cannot fix this.
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  Speaker 2: This is an error being introduced into women's thoughts by
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  Speaker 2: a toxic ideology. Right because there's there's nothing you can
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  Speaker 2: you cannot if you're a man, anything you do is
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  Speaker 2: wrong as long as there insist on reading bad intent
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  Speaker 2: into you, and they are insisting on it. Right this,
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  Speaker 2: there's this. This article has no excuse for being for
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  Speaker 2: existing at all, no excuse this should not exist, Like
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe it could be on its own little forum
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere where, but the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it is published of course it's BuzzFeed. So but still,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this could be on Guardian, right, this could
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  Speaker 2: be a Guardian article. This could be something going into
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  Speaker 2: the uh the UK legislator and being legislature and being
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  Speaker 2: debated as a new school curriculum item, because god damn
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  Speaker 2: you know that they're gonna they're gonna latch onto something
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  Speaker 2: like this. There they There is no hatred of men
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  Speaker 2: that the UK what was it, Parliament, House of Lords,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you got there. There's nothing that the UK government
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  Speaker 2: doesn't love. Just rub itself to completion over. There's no
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  Speaker 2: miss injury. It can't, it can't metabolize. No missionry too
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  Speaker 2: far for the UK. Of course that's true about Canada too,
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, let's keep going to shut up a bit
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  Speaker 2: so we can get further in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long article. It's like a twenty two
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  Speaker 1: point list, all right. So now it seems like women
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  Speaker 1: are the ones largely you don't want children. That men
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  Speaker 1: are the ones determined to find a wife who wants
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  Speaker 1: their babies. They want a traditional marriage and a nuclear family. Again,
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  Speaker 1: poorly framed like this, bad framing, Meanwhile, I see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of women who feel like men lie to them
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  Speaker 1: about not wanting kids and inevitably switch up on them
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  Speaker 1: thinking they will change their minds being called selfish or
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  Speaker 1: being told they're not following God's word. Again, that's a
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  Speaker 1: straw man. But this is like typical, Right, how did
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: How did you not know you were in a relationship
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  Speaker 2: with a religious man? Okay, like how did that not?
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  Speaker 2: Did that not come up? He got you married and
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  Speaker 2: then he sprang his religion on you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wanting kids? Do you have to be religious
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  Speaker 1: to want kids?
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  Speaker 2: No? But they're saying the guy is like, well, now
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  Speaker 2: we're married, I'm going to spring God's plan on you. Well,
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  Speaker 2: how did you not like that framework? What I'm saying, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: is that framework that this guy is religious and you
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  Speaker 2: are a long term relationship with him and you did
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  Speaker 2: not know. I'm saying the framework is ridiculous. They're constructing
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  Speaker 2: a scenario that makes absolutely no sense in order to
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  Speaker 2: create the premise for a grievance. And I'm just calling
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  Speaker 2: him out for that. That's all. So I didn't mean
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  Speaker 2: to confuse you. I'm not like saying that you have
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  Speaker 2: to be religious. To want kids.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I know I'm not saying that either,
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  Speaker 1: but what but it is, okay, here's what I my
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  Speaker 1: my my red flag pops up for me when they
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  Speaker 1: how this transitioned from man wants children to man wants
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  Speaker 1: nuclear family and traditional marriage. So this is like different,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's not it's not. So it goes from like
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  Speaker 1: I want kids too, I want a marriage, to I
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  Speaker 1: want a traditional marriage, to I want a traditional marriage
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  Speaker 1: and a nuclear family to this is God's plan. So
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is there there's like a movement
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  Speaker 1: that's happening here that starts off one way, which is
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  Speaker 1: like kind of broad and kind of like, you know, innocuous,
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  Speaker 1: not really like that. Uh let's say not really that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like offensive, you know, like, oh I
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  Speaker 1: want kids, and then you land on it's God's word.
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  Speaker 1: You're not following it. And I think that the purpose
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  Speaker 1: of that shift is to attack men, attack family, attack fatherhood,
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  Speaker 1: and attack God at the same time. That's what the
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  Speaker 1: purpose of that is to me. It's just how you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: get there so that people don't even notice that this
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: has happened. Where you didn't go from like, hey, I
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: just want kids to it's God's plan. Like the guy
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: turns from like a dude inapolo shirt and khakis to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like being like, you know, a fucking seventeenth century Puritan
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: with a Bible in his hand, like slamming it on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the table. It's an attempt to characterize all of these
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: things as negative by adding the word God to the sentence.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Do you see what I mean? Yeah, it's like they're
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: attributing something negative to it, That's what I'm saying.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But also at this point, a traditional marriage and nuclear family,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: essentially what they mean is a man wants a wife
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and children. That's it. That's all that traditional marriage means. Now,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: she could be working, she could be the CEO of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: some high power company or something. But as long as
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that they are married and having kids, that's a traditional marriage.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So you can't avoid the stigmata of a traditional marriage,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: which is the most horrible thing in the world, unless
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you are married to your own mental other kin or
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: married to the same sex but even that's questionable now,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: or married to a tree or not married, or married
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to a polycule like there's no way to avoid being
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: targeted for this condemnation of being traditional unless you don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you are not a man, and you are not a woman,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and you are not married, and you do not have
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: kids preferably all of that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, so I'm just saying that's what
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's what the life steps on.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, No, I got it, I got it. That's a
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: little bit, I think, close to what I was saying
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: as well, except I was saying that the entire premise
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: is absurd.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I probably should suspend my desire for
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: things to make sense since we are reading through a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: BuzzFeed article.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's it. A BuzzFeed is basically
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like a website that gets all of its topics off
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: of Reddit, which is why I think they constantly make articles,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because they're like, let's go to Reddit and see what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: cancer we can pull out and then write an article
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: about it. And that's what I think all of BuzzFeed
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: is is just Reddit posts turned into article format. So
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: all right. Anyway, The post racked up nearly eight hundred
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: up votes and one hundred and seventy eight comments before
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it was locked. However, the response is painted a pretty
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: consistent picture. People shared their theories, personal stories, conversations with
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: their grandmothers, and more. Here's what they had to say.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Then we have the list. Okay, all right, Number one.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: The initial statement itself is worth questioning to begin with,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Did women in general want kids? Or was there even
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: just a few decades ago, often even more pressure, less information,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and fewer resources for people to make their own informed
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: choices for their lives and bodies. The same question is
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: still often relevant today. Do people want kids or do
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: they want everything they've been taught that having kids will
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: get them?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, just a couple decades ago, let's.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Even more years ago?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Just so, basically in two thousand and six, more pressure,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: less information, and fewer resources for people make their own
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: inform No, we had more resources because you guys aren't
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: making informed decisions. You're making decisions based on resentment narrative
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that's patently false. All of you running towards the cliff
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and a herd means you have less capacity to make
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: your own informed choices. Ladies. Yet the women today are
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: more brain dead than they've ever been, and their choices,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, the fact that they will follow in
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: ideology and when you point it out, well, you guys
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: are more miserable than you've ever been and they'll say, well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that's just the cost of feminism. The cost of feminism
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: is women's misery. That's just the way it is. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it's like you're accepting that you will continue to adhere
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to this ideology and its belief system despite personal cost.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: What is that the behavior of cultists? People who don't
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: have their own mind, People who are brainwashed don't understand
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: their options, right, people who are literally enslaving themselves. And
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: there is no reason to believe that feminism has your
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: best interest at hearts, ladies, and quite a few reasons
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to believe it doesn't. That it is, in fact, the manifestation,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the collective manifestation of elite women's desire to destroy every
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: other woman's reproductive opportunities, every other woman's happiness, everyone other
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: woman's access to resources, and then ted instead turned them
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: into drones for their own reproductive status and power projects. Right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and yet women keep getting suckered into this shit. And
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the funny thing is that I'm like listening to this. Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: this is a while back. I think it was one
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of those Helen you remember, the libertarian feminist.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: She did a video.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: She did a video where she's talking about women, talking
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: about their lives and I was listening to this one
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: woman described this relationship she had with the man, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I was just like, my jaw was on the floor
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: because it was like she was describing being in a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Cold War with Russia with this guy. It's like I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: have to take respond and I'm like, no, get a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: man who shows up. That's what you do. This is
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: what this system has constructed in women. They tolerate shit
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't have thirty forty years ago. If no offense.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be misinterous. But if he isn't
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: showing up, he doesn't care about you. Move on.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, women should be able to determine whether or
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not man, but instead they think they instead of like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: adapting to the reality, they just want to change the man.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like how society work in society, like, oh,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: well society isn't giving me what I want, so I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: got to change society instead of changing my expectations.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Well, just or just like I wouldn't tolerate that kind
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of behavior, like he's withholding you. You have to constantly
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: monitor whether or not you're getting too attached least he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Just it's like, what is what is this? Like?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: What is that? Why would you even want this? And
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you know why because he's probably in that top five
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: percent with a whole bunch of other orbitter female orbiters.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. This, this attitude today leads to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: women tolerating stuff like that, Yeah, and they're not getting anything,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Like what what is she if she orbits a top
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: five percent man for the next thirty years, what's she
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: gonna have at fifty, at sixty? Nothing? Nothing. She's not
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: gonna have a relationship, she's not gonna have a companion,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a partner. She's gonna have nothing. And that's what this
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: entire landscape that that they're like, Oh, a couple decades ago,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you didn't have informed. Yeah, when I was making my decisions,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You're damn right. I was informed. I was better informed
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: than you guys are acting. If you're making these kinds
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of decisions earlier, letting your own fear of missing out
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: or your own self entitlement, which isn't that. I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's actually profound insecurity to make your decisions for you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: rather than realizing, hey, actually this is not a good
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: situation for me to be in orbiting a top five
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: percent men who incidentally, he's not, by the way, orbiting
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: a man that other men women want. Right, that's not
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: actually a really good place for me to be. But
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this entire framework that this BuzzFeed article is embedded in
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: consistently produces women that make the worst choices, And then
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: they have the audacity to see that women a generation
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: ago didn't know what they were doing. Compared to you,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: we definitely knew what we were doing. Enjoy your misery.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh and also, you guys are dating each other. The
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: women of this generation are like dating each other, so
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: their rape and domestic violence is going up, So enjoy
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that too, I guess, and your mental health is going down, right,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: enjoy that. Like, I'm actually starting to take this personally
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: because I'm old enough now that when they say a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: couple decades ago, they're talking about women like me, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: it's like, no, no, my dear, guys are making pathologically
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: worse choices, pathologically less informed choices, and you are reaping
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the benefits of that pathology in misery SSRIs dysfunction, abortions,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: complete lack of any meaningful relationships in your life, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: apparently a whole bunch of homosexual relationships in which you
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: beat and rape each other. Congratulations, these are some fantastic
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: informed decisions. Okay, yeah, all right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: With more available information and resources, more people are able
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to realize the fault and that logic and step away
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: from it. And in the age of social media, it's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: also easier ever for them that talks publicly about it,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: even it's still even if it's still seen as taboo. Remember,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: this person's whole world revolves around twenty years ago, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: not like I don't know all of human history. I mean,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like even even this person's parents were like before that,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: before twenty years ago, so it's kind of a ridiculous thing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Similarly, did men in general used to not
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: want kids? No, or that's not true. Most men do,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: most women do. That's just true anyway. Or were they
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just able to more conveniently reject the responsibility while still
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: getting the supposed benefits of having a child because they
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: could offload that responsibility on the woman who more outwardly
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: wanted it. Again, those men you probably shouldn't be having
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: kids with, But then you'd have to learn how to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: vet them. But then you'd have to have somebody who
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: can help you do that. But then you would need
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a father in your life that's good at being able
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to vet these people, so you have no one to
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: blame but yoursel health or your mom if it was
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: because of your dad. Anyway, if you look out of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the hood, you'll see that even in the past, many
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: women didn't actually want kids, just like many don't today.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: What does many mean? What does it many? What does
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that mean? Many could be like more than four?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You know those women who don't want children, all of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you go, be sure to tell your children that you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: didn't want them so they stop having to spend money
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: on you for Mother's Day. Please do like all these
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: grandma's and moms out there, you don't want your kids,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you'd ever wanted your kids, Please tell them so that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they can, you know, get out of the shackles of
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: having to acknowledge you on Mother's Day. Let's be honest,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: like to just show them where you all stand, right,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Just just give them a letter I never wanted you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Stop saying this anonymously on the internet. Say it where
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it matters, where it has consequences to you, not where
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: you can start destroying the lives of other women based
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: on things you don't actually believe. And never would actually
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: speak in public. How much of this is some kind
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: of contagion, Like it's become this whole thing where women
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, you know, women of older generations talk
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: down about their life choices, about their families, and and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: everybody's okay with that. If men were doing that, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: men of that generation were doing that, they would be
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: slammed so hard. But women could just do that. They
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I hated everything about my life, including you,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: little Susie and Tommy, all the lilt fuckers. I wanted
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to just abort you. I wanted to throw you in
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: a sewer, crush your head with a rock. I never
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: did because I'm just that giving serious, Like, and this
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: is like, you put this stuff out, BuzzFeed puts this out,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and it's like, you don't think about how this reflects
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: on women generally, Like, and it's the honest to god
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: truth is you don't. This is this seems to be
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a common sentiment if women pipe up at all, it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to condemn men, to condemn their families, to condemn their husbands.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there's still a little bit of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: pushback if they do awful shit to their children's people.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Suddenly there's a bit of a line there still, right,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I guess that's the next thing that feminism is going
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to have to break down. We you know, why shouldn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: women be able to beat their children? Okay, why shouldn't
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: they be able to pimp them out? Like that'll be
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: feminism's next new thing. You shouldn't shame female abusers. They're
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just living their best life. Okay, I'm I'm My disgust
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: is rising. I should never have chosen buds feed oka going.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: All right, So, but their opinions, their options for realizing
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that and following through with it were worse than to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: get today. For those men who view kids as a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: status symbol, it's a problem if now they need to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: proactively express wanting a kid and find a woman who
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: will want to have kids with them, because they prefer
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a world where all women want kids and they can
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: get the outcome they want without actually lifting a finger
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for it. It shifted. This sounds completely like a divorce
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: from reality.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's just like these people are men.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: See having kids as a status symbol.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, really, I have never I have never seen
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a man tried out as kids and said, look at this,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I got a lot of status here.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of women do it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Mostly what I see is, you know, if there's a
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: bunch of kids, guys wrangling them usually better than a
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: woman too. That's what's really odd.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He named his kids Bugatti and Lambeau.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see him music to name them. Why
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I don't have a Bugatti?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is like, this is like, this
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is like looking into like the looking glass, like this
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: is another world.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You're in the circus music, no idea that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the circus, all right. It shifted from
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: something they didn't need to want because it was guaranteed
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to happen inevitably, to something that's no longer a certainty.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So the ones just there to milk the benefits are
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: now panicking at the prospect of losing them. You slash
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Chevril freak.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Now now that that statement was because on
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: a survey, I think sixty seven percent of young men
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: said they wanted children. That statement that she just made
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: sixty seven, so that there's no panic. They're just like, yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I guess I would like to have kids, or maybe
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: it was even more like, yes, having kids is part
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: of what I see for myself. But there's do you
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: see how much she read into that?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like, oh my god, it's.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: A horrible patriarchal This.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, this is like literally what they get
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: mad at you because they had a dream that you
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: did something in it and they they read into it
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and then they get mad at you.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I mean like I can't, I don't. I don't get it,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just not a woman. I just I just
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, well I'll tell you this is probably
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: social signaling. The hostility is a way of maintaining in
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: group or alternatively a group activity in which you go
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and you just find someone and you ostracize them as
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a group in order to feel good about yourself. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: this is something that I'm just gonna say women are
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: drawn to. It's just that just especially when they don't
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: have any kind of context. And what I mean by
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: contact is any kind of survival pressure or anything any
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: expectations that are difficult. You know, we got we got
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to bring back the like female initiation rights, in which
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: when a you know, a girl gets to the age
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: of like twelve or thirteen, she's forced to like dance
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: for three days or something, or do a marathon run,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: or sit in a hut for three months by yourself contemplating,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: contemplating existence, you know, just something. It's some kind of trial.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But you know, actually what's really interesting is those those
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: tribes that still do that. The women who go through it,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: when they go through menopause, they have less symptoms, so
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it's doing something good for them.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, I believe it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're their menapausal transition is much easier because of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that puberty, uh priming or conditioning that they go through.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we should bring that back, you know, have
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: some kind of strenuous thing that girls need to go through.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Well that's the projective wish.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Hunter gather initiation ritual for girls.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Better girl scouts tell you what.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: No girl Scouts accept more metal?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, make it exactly.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Number two. It's often said men want kids like kids
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: want a puppy. Again, it's often said, doesn't mean anything.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I heard this once. Until recently, men didn't have to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: want kids. It was just sort of assumed that a
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: woman they were romantically involved with would want them first
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and pressure them into it at some point. Again this
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is all lies like that, it assumes that men never
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: want this. Where you get that assumption from? Well, these
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: liars told me that they do that because they want
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: me to hate men. But I believe them, and I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: don't question that. They're saying that because everybody says it,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: because that's how propaganda works.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: You know. It's because I have options that women never had.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: That's what. Yeah, that's just what they say. So I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: guess it's true.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: We're free than ever before, more free. God damn.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think women should lose their television privileges that they
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: can't interpret like media. They just see as facts, especially
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: when it's a woman saying it. You know, Okay, remove
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: remove Chelsea Handler from the TV. Remove Samantha Be No,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she's been removed. She doesn't do TV anymore, all right. Anyway,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Then slowly fewer women started pressuring fewer men, and something
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: they assumed would just eventually happen was no longer inevitable.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And suddenly men looked around and realized they were in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: their thirties and forties and no one was pressuring them
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: into it anymore. What you men realized? Dude? This is
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: so god so backwards, Are you kidding? Me, who he
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is pressuring men? And how are men like, oh my god,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I'm thirty my eggs are drying up. Well wait a minute, no,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm good to go for thirty more years.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Well what technically technically not true? But also this like
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the escalation here, like where is where does this intersect
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: with reality? Like again, it's just a survey in which
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: sixty seven percent of young men said they want to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: have kids. It's important life goal, right, And then while
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: we have this thing where they've constructed this elaborate like
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: could you put some more intelligence points into passing the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: waterline test lady, instead of constructing elaborate psychotic psychoses about
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: reality like obviously she's she's good at inference. Somehow it
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: just never anchors to anything resembling reality, especially when it
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: comes to men. It's just completely off on its own,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: spiraling into nightmareland. And and just just have to imagine
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: men are just sitting there, Yeah, I'd like kids, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: then these women are flipping out, yeah about how that's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: oppression and how oh it's because we don't pressure you
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: into having kids anymore, that's where you're desired to have kids?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: What do you logic?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, gosh, okay, all right, And suddenly men looked around
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and realized they were in their thirties and forties and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: no one was pressuring them into it and into it anymore,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and lo realized they actually did want kids, but only
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: after a sufficient number of women had finally realized what
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: a raw deal it was. You slash eggs and milk toast. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I mean, that just sounds like
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the opposite of reality, like completely inverted. I don't know.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: All right. Number three, men want kids, and this is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Men want kids the way toddler wants
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a puppy. The puppy thing. Was my partner when we
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: first started dating. He said he wanted kids, but he
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: had never been around a baby for more than a day.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I've told him a few stories about living with my
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: nephew from age zero to four, and he quickly changed
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah, I totally believe that things that never happened.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I'll take that for five Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, actually, men who are accommodating the women in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: their lives, I'll take that one for two hundred. Yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: you just stopped talking about it, is okay. I'm just
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: gonna drop this obviously she's not interested in it, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be the condition for.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless exactly like she made it sound like a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: living hell, was like, well here's what and he just said, Okay,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I guess you don't want kids? And uh, what is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it my partner when he first started ditting, Are you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: guys still together or has he like looked for someone
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: who does want kids.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: He's probably keeping around until he finds a better option,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: maybe yeah, or well, I mean, because that's a basic
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: like I'll be honest. Yeah, she says she doesn't want kids,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: fair enough, but the fact that he stopped talking about
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean she scared him off. That's her inference again.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: More likely he's just accommodating her, right, And that's going
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to be a relationship cost, right, And that's that's going
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to be something that's going to might become a problem.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And it won't become like a problem like he's going
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to pressure her. It'll be just like it'll just end up.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It'll evolve into a situationship for a while and then
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: he'll move on, right, And that's that's fine. I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want kids, and if it is, if it
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: is a deal breaker, for him, he should be able
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to move on. Yeah, So it's it just is what
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: it is. However, what's worse is how she is going
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to her child free and she's making her relationship. She's
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: using it as a a chip in this game that
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: women play and to get to get attention and validation
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and a little hit of oxytocin, and she's she's taking
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: some part of her relationship and in fact, something that
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: he probably is not very comfortable with, and she's sharing
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: it just to just to just to you know, get
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: some extract some benefit out of having him in her life.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you do.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Extraction is the word for her relationships. Now I'm going
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: to extract some benefit. And like I said, I don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: think do you think this guy really wants to talking
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: about this?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: No?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: No, right, no. So now she's layered, she's layered a
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: relationship cost of I don't want kids, and he's like, okay,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I won't talk about it. And now she's layered on
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: top of that this idea that he was in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: wrong for asking and he was some kind of dufest man,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: some inferior specimen, which she then puts into the public right.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: His accommodation of her, she turns it into a platform
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: to mock him. I'm like this this this dude. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: hope you find someone better.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this woman is a piece of shit.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: German.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we got a super chat from Albatro
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: gives us five dollars and says going out of your
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: way to diseasify and catastrophy. Strangers wanting families, geez Louise,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: these folks are brain scrambled misery loves company alacrosse. It's
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the crabs in the bucket effect. That's what they're doing.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Also, I have never heard men want puppies want children
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: like toddlers want puppies.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, me neither. That's all. Like I said, it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a thing that somebody said about men, and then they
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: get got shared around and now all these women on
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Reddit are like, yeah, this is what men say. It's like, well,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: wait what It's not even a game of telephone. It
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: was a lie from the beginning. It was just wrong,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: like somebody angry at men said it, and then all
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the other ones were like yeah, you know, or or or,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and now they're all saying it and now they're like, yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it's just a thing. That's it's true. How do you know, Well,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: we're all saying it so, but you.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Know, Brian, they have more more options and more freedom
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: of thought now in their gigantic self destructive blob that's
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: already justifying creating its own misery.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks for the super chat. Oh and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: we got a super chow as well from Albatross, who
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: gives us five and says, I think a lot of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: modern women hate the idea of kids and family because
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: they're jelly of the kids. They want the male partner
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to be their dad, not a father. Sometimes I think
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that I think that women are I think that women
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: in particular are overly focused on their liberation. That is,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: like they want to feel free, and so they basically
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: divorce themselves from all anything that even resembles like a duty,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and so they just they just they just don't have kids.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: They go to the club forever, they stay young forever.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because they would call that progressive, but it's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: literally standing still, like you don't go any where. You
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: just do what you did as a teenager, and you
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: try to live that way for the rest of your life,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: apparently without a plan. Yeah, t'ing in.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: There with with my thoughts based on my my frameworks.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's partially because women exist now in a
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: very artificial state of continuous like oxytocin dominance in a
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: way that I don't think they have ever existed in
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the past. So everything becomes about affiliation, network, very very
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: shallow emotional affect, resources, status, that kind of stuff, And
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: they don't have that drive to want to reproduce. And
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's because they don't have They don't have
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: a desire to have partners like men. Right, And like
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: my my I got a hypothesis that this idea that
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: women have a maternal instinct is false. I don't. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: don't think they do. I could be wrong, but from
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: looking at my research into all of like the enderchnology
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and behaviors and stuff like that, I don't think they
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: have a maternal instinct. And in fact, what jump starts
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: all of that is being in a relationship with a man,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: So it's a relationship first for them. So when you
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: poison women's relationships to men, you destroy a culture's ability
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to reproduce itself because they start with the relationship. I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: think women start with the relationship. I think men actually don't,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: which is probably what we're really seeing men don't have
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: to like they they're different. The architecture for men, like
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the Paara bonding architecture for men, is based on vas oppressing,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: which itself is a system that's a lot like it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the primordial system. It's it is the ancient form of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: parental care, which was paternal right. And so men just
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: come with that custodial architecture that desire to take care
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: of something just naturally right. And when they're young, they'll
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: invest it into abstractions like a nation, ethical systems, an organization.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But then you know, progressively, when they when they gain
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: a partner, they'll invest it into her, and then they'll
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: invest it into their children. But they always start with
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: this kind of custodial instinct. And in fact, if you
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: think about it, most of men's fiction is custodial fiction.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: You know, like John Wick, that's basically a man who
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: has no object left to take care of, so he's
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: going to kill every fucker that did it to to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the dog, right, that killed the dog. That is that
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: is that custodial action. And then the Mandalorian when it
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: was still okay, was based on Mandalorian when it's still Okay,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: was basically like this tough dude taking care of a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: little creature, right that is, Yeah, it's repeated over and
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: over and over again in men's fiction. They're always taking
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: care of people. Yeah. Yeah, the road is like basically
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: vasip pressed in the movie The You know, they're always
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: taking care of something that needs to be taken care of.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: And it can be a child, it can be the
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: president's daughter, it can be an ideal, it could be
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: a country. But there's that that kind of custodial activation
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: that men have just naturally just baseline, they don't need
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: women around for it. And that's probably what it's being
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: explained here. It's just that men's parental drive is more solid,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: more ancient, more dependable than women's. Once once human homan
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: has just reactivated the vast oppress, and we're talking about
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: like four hundred million years of evolution as opposed to
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I think two hundred million for oxypocin, which is the
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: female bonding hormone or the female maternal hormone, which is
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: itself a copy of vas oppressing. Right, So we're just
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: like it's just men come equipped. Women are just sort
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: of floating waiting for something to activate them, and if
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: they don't activate, they'll they'll they'll retain, they'll just continue
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: to be in there at extended infancy forever. So that's
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that's my hypothesis for why this is. It's actually based
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: on something. I'm like this crap, Yeah, all right, let's
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: All right, So where was I sat as symbol? Right?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: They used to be able to get away from responsibility
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: while still being the hero by pretending it was their
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: wife's idea, and they reluctantly agreed to make her happy. Example,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: but you're changing the diaper since I didn't want it
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in the first place. Now that many women don't want kids.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: They I'm I'm sorry, that's reproductive coercion that they just
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: these people just snuck that in. Yeah, all right, you're
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: having children that your partner doesn't want. Okay, I understand
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that that woman doesn't want children. Fine, that's probably eventually
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: going to be the end of her Not that the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: fact that she turns his accommodation of her wishes into
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a point to mock him in public, that's going to
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: be the end of their relationship. But here they have
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: just imported reproductive coercion. Right, you don't have you don't
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: force children on your partner that they don't want, right,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: that's not That is reproductive coercion. So what you're saying
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: is that men are upset at reproductive casion and you
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: have a problem with that. BuzzFeed. Okay, complete moral bankruptcy alert. Okay,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: you can continue.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right. Now that many women don't want kids,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they have to convince us to, so they had to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: give up that passive role. Different context, new strategy, same goal.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: You witty garbage fifty nine, You are.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Garbage that way, they're not like again, this was a
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: survey and young men said sixty seven percent of young
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: men said they wanted to have children on a survey.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Are they trying to convince any woman of anything? They
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: just have an opinion. It's like, do you notice this bride?
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Men have an opinion, and all of these women have
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: to be like women most affected. They have to go
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to battle against men having an opinion about how they
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: want to structure their life. And suddenly, you know, they
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: took it all personally. Gosh darting those damn men. If
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: only they could stop having opinions, we'd have a utopia. Okay,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Number five it's one hundred percent a legacy thing. Again,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: this is automatically framed as negative that men want to
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: have children because they care about legacy. I just spoke
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to my husband about this. A large majority of men
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: feel their lives will be insignificant if they don't have kids,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that no one will remember them, or they will have
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: had no impact, therefore their lives were worthless. Why do
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they feel this way? I have no idea. It's a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: testosterone thing, a male ego thing. Whatever. Women don't have this.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like my life has amounted to nothing
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: because I don't have children. I'm not crying. You're crying
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: or really, I don't care if my life has amounted
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: to nothing, Yes you do. Men do. Must be an
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: ego thing. My husband is thankfully intelligent enough to realize
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: this is foolish and not let it override his sense
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: of not wanting to children, but he still feels it
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes as well, and many men just give into the
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: base impulse. So your so, your your husband wants kids
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes and you're just like, fuck, that wants obviously, but
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have the balls to say it. So, but
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: occasionally he's like, you know, kind of want kids, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: she's like, you what, sorry, dear, yes, dear, no, dear.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: You know it's just accommodation, you know, it's with what
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: men do. It's so instinctive, it's like almost invisible. Right,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: he's accommodating her, and she's turning it into some kind
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: of little bobble she can wear on her chest in
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: public with other women. Look at this, Look at this,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Look what I got? It's like, and he's probably not
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: enjoying this. It's like, okay, well, I have to make
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: a choice between my wife and children. That's a hard choice.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: M hmm.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of accommodation. That's a huge pressure. And
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: she's just throwing it out in public as it's, strutting
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: around it like a child, like a toxic little toddler,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: with no sense of how other people feel. And it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: amazing because she has no sense of how her husband feels,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: no consideration for it. Again, this woman doesn't deserve a husband.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm glad she's not having children. I wish she wasn't married, all.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, like, I'm sorry, but there's no shame
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: in legacy. In fact, I think that we really undervalue
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: it as a concept and I think the reason why
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: we do at this point is we have spent generations
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: attributing legacy to patriarchy because it kind of is. And
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: so now that we have shamed and like demeaned and
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: demonized patriarchy, we have demonized legacy. And so what does
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that mean? Fathers don't matter? Because that's what legacy ultimately is, right,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: And the idea that we should like even have any
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: reverence for it at all is completely like evil right now?
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And that's that's really sad, And that's really sad.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Don't you don't you feel satisfied by becoming a tax
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: surf corporate drone? Like isn't that isn't that your life's purpose? Like? Uh,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like that woman on the panel,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: she's a she manages the thrift store, right, that's why
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: she couldn't have a family because she had career goals
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and yeah, and she manages the thrift store. Yeah, isn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: the middle management position? Like isn't that just what everyone
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: strives for? Isn't that what we evolved to do? Brian? Yeah,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: not have travel like god, having families, like getting paired
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: of and having children? Good lord, what an outrageous idea.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: What we evolved to do is to be tax serfs
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: for too big to fail financial institutions so that they
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: can socialize their losses to us. That's what we evolved
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: to do, right, We evolved to be middle managers and
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: completely sexless. Right, that's that's that's that's what we're supposed
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: to be. God damn, and I still I still can't
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: believe they're like, oh, we're freer. Now, we're free, We're
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: we we have more options. You have less, you have
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: so much less.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: The pain, the pain is coming. It's just going to
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: be delayed for these people. Okay, anyway, uh fine, So
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: number six. I sat down with my grandma born in
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, oh boy, here we go, a few
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: months before she died, and really asked her about her life,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: her experiences, her choices, her reflections. So, okay, she was
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: born in the thirties and she was thirty in the sixties,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: her grandma, So just like laying it out there, she
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: was thirty years old during the second wave feminist movement,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: all right, so she was like the age of millennials
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: when the twenty tens were going on. Just say, I'm
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: just that's the parallel that I'm drawing right off the bat,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: all right, her reflections. One of the questions I asked
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: her was what she would do differently if she could
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: do it all again, and she said, have fewer kids.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Five kids was way too many, So basically you might
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: not have existed. My grandma felt like she had no
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: choice in the matter and if given full autonomy, wouldn't
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: have chosen to have anywhere near that many kids. I
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: also asked her what some of her favorite memories were
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and she did she mention anything about her husband and
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: her kids? Absolutely not. She said seeing the play Cats
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: in New York was her all time favorite men. All
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: of this is to say women used to face societal pressures, obligations,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and obstacles that restricted their ability to design whether or
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  Speaker 1: not to have kids. Today, we have more choices and
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  Speaker 1: we see that having kids is not an advantage but
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  Speaker 1: rather a massive disadvantage to a happy life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, her granddaughter can watch Cats every weekend for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of her life. What a happy life?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that if you don't have people, you
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  Speaker 1: don't have cats, like you don't have the Cat's Musical,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have television, you don't have infrastructure. If you
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  Speaker 1: don't have people like you kind of need people to
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  Speaker 1: keep things, how can you possibly say, Oh, man, I
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  Speaker 1: wish there weren't any kids around, because then I could
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  Speaker 1: do more things. Bitch, you can't do anything without human
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  Speaker 1: beings making things like you need people. What's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm just like that.
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  Speaker 2: So the grandma's a great memory of was your grandma's
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  Speaker 2: a schmuck?
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  Speaker 1: She's evil. She basically wishes that some of her children
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  Speaker 1: don't exist, and by extension grandchildren.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why would you listen to the be like
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  Speaker 2: the I wonder what her his Her grandfather would say,
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  Speaker 2: what his greatest.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, who cares what he said? He's an evil like
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  Speaker 1: evil patriarch. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: According to this, her grandfather would be more likely he'd
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  Speaker 2: be appreciative of the fact that his children exist, right this,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: rather that.
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  Speaker 1: He would see his grandma as the ball and chain,
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  Speaker 1: and he would also wish that he didn't have kids.
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  Speaker 1: So this is like mixed messaging all around, because I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: thought that women only recently decided they don't want kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also it's mixed messaging. But according to at
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: least one strain of message, the grandfather would be happy
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  Speaker 2: that he had kids, even if it was egotistical and
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: part of his legacy and absolutely toxic masculinity. He'd be
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: like I was, this is the proudest thing I did
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: was have a family, support a family. Right. So that's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: toxic masculinity and it's horrible. It's bad. Your grandpa is saying,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you guys exist. Probably wouldn't say it
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  Speaker 2: like that, probably do it in like small actions taking
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: care of his grandkids. That's toxic masculinity. That's horrible. Your
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: grandma saying I wish I could have aborted you and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: watched Cats more often.
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  Speaker 1: That's empowerment, it is, that's that's liberation.
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  Speaker 2: That's liberation.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hm wowjelical Allison. Cats is agelical play. That's what
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I heard, Jellico. That's like the that's like the that's
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  Speaker 1: the adjective. That's yous I.
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  Speaker 2: Have you know it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but they say it
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  Speaker 1: a lot during the play.
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  Speaker 2: I think I watched Cats once. I believe I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember it being that great. There's a lot of things
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: that I really appreciated in my life, you know, I mean,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I've never seen either.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's definitely not for me.
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  Speaker 2: So but I'm just I'm astounded, like your your Grandma's despicable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically you're saying, I wish I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I could watch cats more often.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: So I could watch cats. Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know my kids interfered with my Netflix subscription.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly the same thing. This is.
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  Speaker 2: This is it like I didn't get to entertain myself
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  Speaker 2: enough because I had I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't Why would I raise kids when I could be
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  Speaker 1: watching more fucking you know, Housewives of Atlanta or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: the kids are watching, the women are watching these days
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: or like you know, murders in the building.
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  Speaker 2: And it's actually really telling that it's say, it's entertainment, right,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: just just just entertainment that she there's her big memory.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I actually want to go back to find funny.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny because if I said, you know, if I
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  Speaker 1: were to say something like, man, I wish I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have kids because I could be playing I could be like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maximizing my Dark Soul's speed run with Dagger
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: only any percentage of whatever I could be doing something
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: in video games really ambitious if I weren't, if I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: weren't for being a father, do you think they would
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  Speaker 1: ever celebrate that in an article?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No, hit Ninja Guiden four run.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll go away child. I don't know you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you ever find a man who wasn't
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: subject to reproductive coercion that would say anything like that,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: yeah about his kids, like unless he was like flat
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: out raped, and I would consider any woman who lies
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: about birth control to be in that category. He would
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: never say that about his kids, that he would, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: a little timmy, I wish I wish he didn't hadn't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: been born, I would have been able to play more
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: World of Warcraft or something. Yeah, like yeah, things that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: men never say. Yet yet women seem to think that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that's acceptable, like the grandmother's saying that, even even a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: woman born in nineteen thirty. Yeah, I'm sorry. I had
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: you guys, could have could have watched more Broadway production.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I could have watched more Jesus Christ Superstar, but yeah, instead,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I'm saddled with you, guys. I mean it's like more pathetic,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: more pathetic than you said.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Grandma. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I get to be
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  Speaker 2: liberated from visiting you in the old folks home. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't want us. Lord. I wish these consequences would be
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: visited on women, because because maybe they would realize they
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: should shut their fucking mouths. If you can only after
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: seventy years of life, you can't say something about your
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: husband and your kids as being one of your peak experiences,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: and instead you reach for fucking cats. You are a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: waste of a life. Just push you back in, get
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: a new one. Okay, all right? Is that too harsh?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, uh one Timothy to twelve. I
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  Speaker 1: do not permit a woman to teach her to exercise
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  Speaker 1: authority over a man. She is to remain quiet. That's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say. Anyway. Number seven, men feeling insignificant
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: without kids feels like a natural symptom of how we
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: tell the story of humanity and men's role in it.
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  Speaker 1: We are all taught some variation of Great Man history,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: singular men who allegedly change the course of his story
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: through there. Yeah, allegedly like that like that. Yeah, I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: heard it happened. I heard I heard there was this
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: guy named Genghis Khan. He may have done some things,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, it's not I didn't hear. I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: didn't hear Oprah mentioned him. So I'm not sure I
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: heard that.
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  Speaker 2: There's this guy called Cloud Shannon. He allegedly invented digital communication,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: but you know that didn't change the course of history.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Type type tape, type tape.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, anyway, so singular man's.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Delusion, Yeah okay. But also like that singular man, you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: know that the average man having a wife and kids
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: was his achievement, right like, and taking care of his kids,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: like we have this attitude like men in the past
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: didn't take care of his kids. There's a historian who
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: looked at letters from Victorian fathers, been Victorian fathers and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: their children. It's absolutely false that there was some kind
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: of like this distant fatherhood thing. False. They were very
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: involved in their children's lives right there. There might have
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: been some angel in the house gatekeeping when it came
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: to infants, but they were very involved in their children's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: education and their children's learning, social standing, you know, get
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: developing skills. You know, they were there and they were
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: very warm to their children. I know this is going
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: to come as a shock. But as a biparental species,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: we have very involved fathers, and generally if men are
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: not involved, it's not because they don't want to be,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: it's because they are being forced out right, yep, okay,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: generally not well, allegedly.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, allegedly, yeah, Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So anyway, singular men who allegedly changed the
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: course of history through their solitary efforts alone. In that context,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: what can the slightly above average man do to leave
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: his mark on the world. The illogic goes, so, now
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: it's illogical. Okay, okay, lady, tell me what's illogical. A
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: great man changed the world. Most great men had children. Therefore,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: if I have children, I will also change the world. Well, actually,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: you literally will. Like that's it changes in some way.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It may not be a major way, but you do
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: literally change the world when you have kids. You literally
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: change the world. Just being in the world, like just
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: doing things in the world, even at the smallest scale,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: it does in fact change the world. But anyway, rinse
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and repeat for several generations until today's men are only
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: left with real men have legacies, which means buildings with
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: their names on them. Or children with their names on them.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: By contrast, there has never been that expectation or historical
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: narrative for women. Historically, the most a woman could hope
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: for was to marry a well to a great man,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: bear his children, and wield his influence for her own
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: limited purposes. Being average or stellar had no real bearing
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: on her perceived potential impact on the world.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Retards shouldn't talk about history. Yeah, Like, I don't even
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: know what to say to that. You spoke much and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: nothing you said bore any resemblance to reality none. And honestly,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think I think that because women are in
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: this incredibly artificial situation that has never existed before in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: human history, I don't think they can be trusted to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: really understand the existence of any woman who was born
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: prior to like nineteen seventy five. And I'm not saying
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: all women are prior to the nineteen eighties. I'm not
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: saying that all women at that time were not causted
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: to the point of physical disability or mental disability. Uh,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: but at least there was some chance that there would
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: be some survival pressure applied to them at some point
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: throughout their life. But after like the fifties. That's like
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: that goes way down, and then what you end up
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: having is this increasing pool of women who are oxytocin
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: like not just dominant, but there is no like then
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: this is my hypothesis, there is no cross activation of
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: vacappress and v one a. So they don't have any
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: sense of a desire for family, a desire for a mate,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: a desire for their own territory. Right, That's that's that
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: was like in in the fifties, that was part of
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: being a quote unquote housewife. You had your own freaking
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: territory that you controlled that was yours, right, And this
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: is like, like what we're looking at is a mentality
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: that is so separate from anything that like the only
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: other place that I think you could find this would
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: be like royal harems and like in the Bronze Age
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: or maybe the Ottoman Empire. Like women so divorced from reality,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: so divorced from any survival pressure that their thinking is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: completely corrupted and they think things like this, and yeah,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: it's just I don't know, like I don't think she
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: can understand women after a certain pat point in history.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: She just can't understand them because she doesn't understand that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: with that cross aftibation, women are gonna want a partner,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: They are gonna want territory, they are gonna want their
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: own children. It just doesn't exist if it's not activated women,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't. It's just like they just want to do.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: They want to have frenemies and hot chip and soap
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: operas and abaco to toast jobs and with really good status.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: But they don't really have to do anything, and they
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: only want to work like under forty hours because apparently
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: women just crash out if they work over forty hours,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: not like men. Men can manage it, but women can't.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: They just want to live the life of a harem
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: girl with nothing, no imposition. Okay, so they just don't
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: understand women who lived through anything, anything that would have
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: sparked that desire for your own territory, territory, or desire
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: for your own mate, because throughout most of human history,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: literally the only entertainment and the only the vast majority
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: of pleasure and entertainment came from your partner. I think
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: about it. People weren't going to see cats. They weren't.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: They didn't have regular Broadway shows or Netflix subscriptions or
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: social media. Right, they had each other. They had each
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: other and generally the world was miserable, so you had
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: each other. And that kind of attitude makes a woman
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: want to have a man because then she gets access
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: to cortisol relief. Two. Right, And it's just and women
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: today just can't understand that. It's just like they can't
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: understand that. They can't understand men. I don't even think
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: they understand themselves. They're just like a thing floating and
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: all they are is in relation to everything else. They
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: can't make an independent decision, And then they talk about
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: being a strong independent woman, as if asserting it makes
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: it so. Well, if you're a strong independent woman, I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: dare you to make an actual independent decision, because everything
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: that comes out of your mouth has been predigested by
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: your social web and handed it to you. And if
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: you did say anything outside of that, your social web
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: would eject you with great force and probably try to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: peck you to death if it could. Like, you are
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: more constrained, You are more imprisoned than you have ever been, ladies,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is you're imprisoned by each other.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm I guess I'm a really weird woman,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna be I'm not signing up for
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: that shit. No, you could just fuck right off with
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: that shit. I don't know why war women can't do that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, you like what you like. You got your man,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: you got your life, you got your territory. That's gonna
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: give you a lot more long term validation and enjoyment
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: than anything you can get from your pathological sisters in
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: your social web. Like what do they do for you
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: except and force you to conform and destroy your own
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: life choices, destroy your own life by encouraging you to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: make the worst life choices possible. I don't know, like what,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I know that women don't watch this, but maybe you guys, maybe,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: maybe one day I'll get an answer why this is
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: so important to women. It's so important to be part
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: of the social web, even when that social web will
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: destroy you the moment you assert your autonomy.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, all right, let me see you anymore, super
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: chat superchells. No, okay, all right, let's keep going. Number seven.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Men feeling insignificant without kids feels like a natural symptom
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: of how we tell the story of humanity and men's
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: role in it. We are all taught some variation of great. Oh,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I already read that part. I'm sorry, so number eight,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I work in convalescent homes and talk with
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: the older women all the time about their lives, choices, wants,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And keep in mind, these women have been
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: living in those homes for years with no smartphones, so
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: they're not hearing all the opinions about being child free
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: that many women today here. But every time I ask
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: them what they would have done differently in life, so
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: many of them say, not have kids if they had
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the option to, and not get married if they had
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: the option to. Even back seventy eighty and ninety years ago,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: women still didn't want to or regretted having married and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: having kids. They just didn't have a choice that they
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: wanted a stable life. So they're just sort of I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: think it's just like a series of reaffirmations of their
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: of their already biased opinion, Like, it doesn't mean that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: most women don't want kids, and it doesn't mean that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: most men don't want kids, So not.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: To have kids if they had the option to. Wow, Okay,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: so the rock goes all the way back into the thirties. Yeah,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: that way, if you have a grandma you've been visiting,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: you may keep this in mind.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe ask her if like she regrets you at
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: your existence, because that's kind of what this comes to.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I can't fucking believe that women get people going to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: them in old folks homes and men get abandoned. And
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: yet I bet that a man abandoned in an old
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: folks home by his grandchildren, his great grandchildren would never
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: say this crap.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Number nine. I'm a nurse and old ladies
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: ask me all the time if I'm married and I
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: have kids. When I say no, i'm not, and I don't,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: about fifty percent of the time, they look me right
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: in the eye and say good.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: For you, good for you, and everybody clapped.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're talking to old ladies that are like
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: that you're like dealing with as a nurse, then maybe
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: those ladies are there for a reason, Like maybe they're like,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe you're in a nursing home and they're
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: like they don't have family that could even watch over them,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: and they're really resentful of that, and they're sort of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: like wanting to spread that misery to people like you.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: And what about the fifty percent that do say, oh,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: why don't you have kids? Are they evil? For like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: disagreeing with that because you said about fifty.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Because that fifty percent roughly corresponds to the amount of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: women who are divorced and probably in that generation.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they blew up.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Their life and now they want you to blow up yours, lady.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Simple as that.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Interesting number ten. My grandma has Oh well, let me
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: just read this post. By the way, that I just
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: read is posted by you slash cats cats Cats. So
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: just just like you know, come to your own conclusions
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: about that that post plus that user name number ten.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: My grandma has been very open for as long as
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: I can remember about the fact that if it had
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: been an option for her, she never would have had kids.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Her parents were not at all supportive of her education.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: She asked to go to the private school her brother
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: went to and was told, why would we pay for that,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna get married and have babies.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Based this is exactly what happened.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the only things that happened.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Told Okay, this person, I mean, depending on I'll save
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: it until you read her username. I'll estimate her age
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: from that.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't even know parents could come to a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: high school graduation until she got to hers and saw
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: all her classmates's parents there. She married my grandfather just
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: to get out of her parents' house, and kids were
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: part of the price she had to pay to get
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: away from them, right, schroom girl, nineteen ninety one, all right.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: So she's probably born in nineteen ninety one, so her
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: her grandma might be the same probably actually the same
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: age as my mother. Right, Okay, my mother ended up
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: in like a as a in a corporate job in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: the oil patch in Alberta. So I'm sorry, but your
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: grandma probably could have had the same opportunities. Why did
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: she have to go to a private school? Could she
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: not get a scholarship? He she would have had access
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: to birth control because that generation did. Why didn't she
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: take it and get a scholarship or work her way
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: through school? That was an option? Then that's what my
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: parents did, right, Okay? You know what this is. She's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: a loser and she's regretting the one thing that she
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: actually did with her life. So she's even more than
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: a loser. And I can't believe she's saying this to
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the people who are her descendants, like I don't understand
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: why women get so much like that. I mean, and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I know it's not all women who are doing this,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: but these generations of women, and I actually believe it.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I believe that there are certain there's a certain number
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: of women in that generation who do stay stuff like this,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: and yet they still get visits from their grandchildren, They
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: still go to the old folks home, right for these women.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: And I'm not, like I said, I'm not saying all
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: women do this, but they certainly feel free to do it,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of women who are saying these
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: things and they don't even they don't even visit their
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: grandfathers in the same way or to the same degree.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: And yet their grandfathers would probably never say this, They
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: would never say that my greatest regret was having children.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I guarantee it. And certainly men don't do this on
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: the internet, because they're not doing it on the internet.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: This is women doing it. This is what we're watching
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: women do. Goddamn. Hm. Well, that just really sickens me.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: And that fact that she would just openly say that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: to her grandchildren too. You know, honestly, in my experience,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: the people who say stuff like that are losers and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: usually they're also abusive. Okay, So what we are now
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: listening to the opinions, and again it's not the fact
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: that there are some women who have these opinions, is
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: that the world feels like it gives them a podium
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: to express them and other women agree with them instead
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: of saying, just keep it to yourself, right, Okay, fine,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: you have regrets about your life, and those regrets include
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: the lives that you produced. Keep it to yourself. Just
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: just shut the funt. We don't need to listen to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: every single goddamn complaint that comes out of a woman's
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: mouth except for mine. Listen to mine.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, well, it's interesting. What's interesting about this too.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: The contrast that I was thinking is, you know, they're
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: basically saying that, like, men are I guess kind of
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: pathetic or sad because they're so like focused on legacy.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: So men are sad because they actually want children and
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: love their children, and they see their children as important
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: and their name means something. But women they're the opposite
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: of that. They actually like I guess, resent their children,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and that I mean, that's the narrative that's being pushed
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: out here. Obviously this isn't like all women, but this
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: BuzzFeed article is putting together a very specific list with
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: a very specific purpose. Everything has a purpose. They're doing this.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: They're saying women hate their own children, and justifiably so,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: men love their children, and that's a problem ultimately. So
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: what that's it?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, yeah, honestly, this is a This is a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: really ugly look.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It is very dark. It's very dark. I mean, I
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: know it's not true, you know, I don't think that's
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: how women are. But this article has a goal. Like this,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: it's saying something specific. It's it's and it's using Reddit
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: to do it. So Reddit's cancer, guys, don't don't ever
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: go there. It's it's fucking awful. Eleven. My grandmother, actually
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: both of them, but the grandmother I see more often
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: has always maintained that I need to stay single and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: live my life for me as long as I possibly can.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: She'll say it at random times, whether we're driving or
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: just hanging out. She genuinely hates her life. And it's
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: not because my grandfather was a bad guy. He absolutely
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: adores her. But if you can but you can tell
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: she didn't have a choice at all. And how her
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: life unfolded. Women really did not stand a chance in
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: many cases get married, have babies, and god forbid, God forbid,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: you didn't have a on a Saturday night during her
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: young single years. You were viewed as something wrong. Wow,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: you just don't understand what matters. You don't understand what's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: important in life.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I just listen to this. My grandfather has always maintained
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: that I need to stay single and live my life
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: for as long as I possibly can. He'll say it
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: at random times whenever we're driving or just hanging out.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: He genuinely hates his life. And it's not because my
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: grandmother grandmother was a bad woman. She absolutely adores him.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: But you can tell he didn't have a choice at all.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: And how his life unfolded, well, you know, because for
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: the longest time, bachelors were actually discriminated against for jobs.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Right, they still are in some ways, Like they're like
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: if you're an unmarried man, your your insurance costs more.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Nobody cares about or nobody had, nobody recognizes it. In
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: the past, if you were a bachelor in some places,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: like you couldn't get a job. You had to be
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: supporting a wife and kids. And act the New Deal
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: and a lot of the public works that they did.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: What they did is they would force unmarried boys, young
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: men to into these labor camps to support their family. Right,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: So if you were during the Great Depression, if you
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: were an unmarried man, you could end up in a
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: labor camp because you were unmarried, and those labor camps
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: had high death rates. Nobody knows this. I didn't even
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: know this, and I'm a men's issues advocate. It took me.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: It took me a long time to find this out.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: That they would be coerced into these labor camps and
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: they would take their paychecks would go to their families,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: so they wouldn't even get money for this, or they
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: wouldn't get much, right, and they it was a coercive situation,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: like they'd have a choice to either go into these
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: labor camps or go to jail, or they have a
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: choice betwse mean going to these labor camps or having
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: their families lose their support, which could end up causing
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: them to starve. Right, So this was coercion. And then
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: they the labor that they were doing is far more
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: deadly than any job that men do today, not as
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: bad as uh as going to World War two, of course,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: but that's actually what those labor camps evolved into, was
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: like this constrict conscription pool for World War two. So
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: don't get miss me with this shit, you old biddies
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: about your your life not being chosen for or you
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: didn't get choices in the matter, right, No, you are
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: a loser, and you're still a loser, and you're a
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: hateful one. And no man who said yeah, I'm I'm
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: just I hate my life. My my wife adores me,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: but I just regret ever having married her. No man's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: gonna be get applause for that shit. Could you imagine
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: it Britain?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: No, it would not happen, for sure, would not happen.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna support it. That's what I love about men.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys hold each other accountable. You hold
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: each other accountable too much. Can pull back a bit right,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: hold women accountable more. But nobody's gonna know. There's not
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: gonna be a BuzzFeed article by Albert whatever saying, oh, yeah,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: my grandfather. You know, he was in a forced labor camp.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: He had to get married or he wouldn't get a job.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: You know, his wife loves him, but he hates his
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: life and he hates her, and he hates his children.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: And he told me stay single, son, right, don't ever
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: get married to a woman who loves you or have
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: kids who adore you. That would be the worst thing
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: that could happen to you. Like, there's never gonna nobody,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: not even I don't want to say, not even Red
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Till guys don't do that. Migtow doesn't do that, Andrew
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Taate doesn't do that. This is worse than anything that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: comes out of the manosphere. Like that one fucking paragraph
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: is basically hell cracking open and belching forth upon earth.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: And it's women doing it and women supporting it and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: women clapping for it. It's like, are you humans or
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: are you demons? Night on bald Mountain? Here except with
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: a known with the cool you know, music track and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: visuals just sort of the ambiance. Okay, all right, all right,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: next twelve.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: The old stereotype that I grew up with was that
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: men were free spirits and women were always trying to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: make them settle down and be response again more like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I heard this, this is what they say. Nope, that
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. I feel like I'm just reading nonsense
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: like it's all like, oh, I heard this is what
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: they say. You know, the old stereotype is No, it's not.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I never heard that, Like what you're talking about. You
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: can't just make up fucking stereotypes out of thin air.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: You can't do that and then just say this is
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: the reality that everybody believed, and I'm about to slap
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: it down. No, you're making shit up. The wife was
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: the old ball and chain. This is all TV shit.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Bachelor parties were so the guy could celebrate the last
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: days of his freedom and so on. Yeah, because bachelorette
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: parties are not like anything like bachelor parties. For sure,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Guys didn't want their friends to get married because the
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: fun guy they knew would disappear and inevitably wouldn't be
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: able to have a good time anymore because the wife
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: won't let them. Literally something that does happen. Actually, I
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: think men, huh, I'm gonna.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually get okay. I'll let you say first,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: because you are man, so I'll just come in with
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: the framework.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I'll just finish the paragraph. I think men generally like
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: this because in a way, it elevated them above women.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: And gave them a reason to mock and look down
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: on women as lesser beings who just ruin everything. They
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: bonded over it. Ha ha, it's funny, right, so many
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: old boomer jokes about how so many old boomer jokes
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: about how men actually hate their wives. That's not true,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: you mean, like take my wife please, That's just like,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: do you know what a joke is.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: It's just a joke. No, they don't, they don't, They
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely don't. They think that jokes are deadly serious. They
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: don't understand laughter. I think it's because they're demons and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: laughter destroys their ability to project them into this plane
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: of existence or something. But yeah, this is a yeah,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: it's a joke, right. And the whole thing about like
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: throwing the Bachelor already and grieving it's because it's just
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: an observation of reality, like when men get into bonds,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: and this is actually predictable from just the architecture, like
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the v one a, the vast oppressant. Their world sort
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: of narrows down to their partner and their kids and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: their territory, you know, and providing and protecting them. And
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: this is entirely consistent with what vas oppressant does the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: effects that it does on behavior. Okay, so there there
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: is not even the woman. It's just that they know
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen to him. His circle is going
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: to contract, which is probably why previous generations made it.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Gave men a way of keeping their social circle intact
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: with like Shriners, Freemasons, like the Moose Lodge, that kind
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: of thing, like it's it's a way of continuing to
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: be social and sort of contract or contrude like to
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: prevent the contraction that sort of just is predictable from
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: the architecture and from what vac and pressing does. But
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: that's what they're mourning. They're mourning the fact that their
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: friend is going to start to consolidate his attention on
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: this woman and their eventual children, and he's going to
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: have less time for them. And that's entirely predictable from
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: the way that men are. Whereas women continue to have
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: this kind of more affiliative, larger network, men narrow, which
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: means there's less of them for their friends. And they
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: know that, and we've known that forever. That's what this
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: is about, and it's not it's like not even that
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: she's trying to do anything right. But she's trying to
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: stop him from having friends. She's trying to stop him
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: from having a wider social service. Some women do, and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: it's absolutely repulsive that they do, don't get me wrong.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: But it's not even even that she's doing it. It's
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: that his architecture is doing that. And you can and
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: if you've seen this enough times, you notice it. And
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: so the ball and chain isn't even that she's literally
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: a ball and chain. It's his response to his change state, Okay,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: And it's it's not I don't think it's intended to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: insult women at all, right, it's just intended to recognize
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: that change in men. And and uh yeah, it's just
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We really shouldn't have given the task
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: of understanding each other to these people, these demons.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right. Number thirteen. When I was growing up,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: a wife and kids were seen as a man's ball
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: and chain. Again, we're still doing this. The show Married
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: with Children was popular at the time, and Al would
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: always insult his wife and children like they were in
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: his life. Even when I was partying in the late nineties,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: you'd hear guys saying women were trying to baby trap them,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: or that they were dating women who were too clinging,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: even though she was just behaving normally in a relationship.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I think the media definitely plays a role in the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: perception you think. But also people see how a certain
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: mindset messed up their parents and they want to do
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: the opposite. You mean, like just to end the human race?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what you mean by the opposite?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Just because there was a show made by Bobcat gold
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Weight that basically, like I satirized the idea of the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: family sitcom and you're like, well, I guess that's it
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: for humans. We're done. Thanks Bobcat gold Weight for your
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: show Married with Children. Okay, ladies, I guess that's the
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff that just changes your mind about how
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: you want to live your life.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Wow, but you're free, Like, that's that's a guess choice, Brian.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna be with that mindset. You're
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: gonna end up having to fucking learn how to build
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: a fire and your own food. Like, I hope you're ready.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be in the back anymore.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, that will be an excellent, excellent
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: process for reinvigorating her v one a cross activation.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: We know what you know what we need? You know
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: what we need? We need a movie or a story
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: that's sort of like it's a wonderful life sort of
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: where a woman who basically responds unironically to all this
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: stuff and says, you know, I wish that if it
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: weren't for you know, shows like married with Children that
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: are basically telling the truth about reality and that and
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: men hating their own families. I want to live in
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: the world where that's the case. And they would just
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: go to a world without men and everything is shit
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: and they're and they basically get everything they want and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: women are you know, they're like scarce and there's only
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: like a few men left. But they're like the worst
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: kind of men that are like willing to you know,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: conquer and like destroy and rape their way. No no,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: no real store.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: What no, no, have it be all women. And the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: survival pressure actually has activated their architecture and now they
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: want to man there you go, yeah, but they can't
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: get one because they wished for it, yes.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: And they're and they're basically going to die, like they're
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: like they're dying off and the old women are like,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they're like, there's no there are no men,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: so there's no infrastructure, there's no society. A woman is
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: like going to the store and she's like, where's the
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: you know, where's the meat? I'm hungry, and like, well,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: we don't have any Why not because all the farmers
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: were men and they're all gone. What happened to you know, everything?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Like what happened to the supply chain? There isn't one.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: There are no truckers, there's no gasoline, nobody's pumping the gas,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: No one's mining, no one's doing any of the work. Well,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: you know, there are no but there's no more war. Yeah,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: well there's no there's no people like like or effectively conquered,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, something like that, but something that actually
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: shows them the logical conclusions of their belief system, like
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: where it leads, you.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Know, let me go, let me go in a different
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: direction with this. Now, Oxytostin generalists, which I'm gonna call them,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: they don't understand. They don't really have a strong sense
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: of specificity, so people aren't exactly autonomous to them, and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: they have this obsession with being seen and they're constantly
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: trying to get it from each other. But they can't
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: give it because when you're an oxytostin generalist, you can't
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: really like see a person. They're just a node in
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: a web. They're not an individual, an autonomous individual, And
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: that's the thing that they're after, all of them. They're
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: after being seen. Well, what's that mean, being recognized, being
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: totally known. Well, then that would be the act of
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: somebody who can see individuality, that's a man. So they're
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: all seeking what they can get from each other in
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: a bucket of crabs, and constantly in a state of
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: agonized jealousy that some woman is getting something they don't
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: get because that's not fair, right, And they're not able
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: to give each other that that thing that they want
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: so much, which is being seen, because they can only
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: get it from a man. They can only be known
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: as an individual by a man. They can only be
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: seen by a man, because that is how men do,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: that's how their architecture works. So these women have to
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: live all of their lives, floating through their lives from
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: pleasure to pleasure like amba consuming chemicals and never be seen,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: and constantly try to extract being seen from other women
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: who are incapable of giving it. So It's like this constant,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like low level existential dread that you exist in for perpetuity,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: always wanting something you can never get ever because you've
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: you've pre selected the people who can give it to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: you out of your life. That's like that. That's more
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: of a metaphysical like core like a hell. Brian, you're
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: talking about the physical hell. I'm talking about the psychological
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: hell that this represents. And it's why a lot of
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: these women always have to go on the internet and
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: talk about how much they don't want a man. Yeah right, okay.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Children who grow up with a father
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: who treats his family like a ball and chain may
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: respond in different ways. Sons may feel driven to become
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: his opposite, while daughters may become wary of relationships with
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: men and more hesitant about having children.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: You know, honestly, I don't know where these people come from,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: because when I was growing up, if I thought about
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: the problems that families had, the father being like, oh
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: my family is a ball and chain, not one of them.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: You know, they were concerned about paying the bills, right,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: they were concerned. I mean, I was in a very
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: strange situation because I was an ex pat in Saudi Arabia.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: That's expatriots. So they basically took us from western countries
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: and we worked there in a little compound which was
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: called Dahran. And so I'm like, I'm thinking back, and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, culture clash would be a big issue. That
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be here, but it was a big issue there,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: paying bills, kids going to school, problems with kids going
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: to school, right, Infidelity sometimes that was that became an issue.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Sometimes kids having mental disabilities. These are the problems that
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: they had, right, say, substance abuse sometimes, like there wasn't
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of substances there at all, right, but these
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: are the problems that these families had. The father, yeah,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: treating his family like a ball and chain. No, right,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: that wasn't like families had real problems. This is a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: made up one. It's a made up to just support
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: an ideology. I mean, do you understand what I'm saying, Brian.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: It's like you think back the problems that that families
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: actually had. Mm hmm, you know, I don't know. Maybe
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: I'm totally out of the lunch.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, it's a I don't know, it's
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: just this. I'm just glad this is like likely like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: bottom tier content by absolute bums that you know, we
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: just don't want to see them, like, because if any
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: dudes like wrote all these articles, they wouldn't be worthy
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: of like a listical on any website, much less BuzzFeed.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: And yeah, here we are. We're essentially taking serious the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: least serious women on the internet. I mean, like it's
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: out there. I'm just saying, like we have to like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: contend with that. How much is there?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how much is this done?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh, I'm sure it's fairly common because I think
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: that on places like Reddit, I think that women form
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: little like fucking cults of like god knows how many,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: and they all wanna they all are like looking to
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: contribute to the conversation, right because the reddit's a series
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: of threads or something, and everybody's posting and commenting, and
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: you get karma. I don't know how that works. I
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: don't go to Reddit, but there are ways to improve
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: your standing within Reddit. And so one of the ways
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: you do that is you agree with the hive and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: you basically add to it, like you one up them.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Oh well, my mom said this, and my grandma said this,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: and here's my story. And women are really like into
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: that stuff. It's like feeding into the the frenzy of
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: like trying to out you know, out self, victimize each
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: other out, hate on men, each other and if the
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: if the the specific reddit is focused on you know,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: what is this reddit again? What is this one called that?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: This is all from? Let me go back because it
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: was at the beginning of the article I thought.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: It was from our child Free?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Our child free?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: So like, what what our child free has to be
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: all about?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: That?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Like that's how you get karma, right, I mean, that's
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: that's what it is, So.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Like missery for God's sake?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, what's the difference? Child free basically is ultimately a
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: missingry reddit page.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it could just be people who don't want to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: have kids, that's like without well.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, sure, but what do people who just don't whose
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: whole identity is not wanting to have kids? What do
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: those people have to talk about?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a good point, they just.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing you're going to be talking
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: about is like how great it is not having kids
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: and how many of the people on our child free
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: are women versus men that are like that? At least? Fine,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: not that there aren't men that don't want kids. But
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: how many men that don't want kids feel the need
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: to go to a Reddit page to talk about how
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: glad they are that they don't want to have kids
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: versus women who are on there. And I think that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of the times that women are in that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: our child free are probably looking for ways to justify
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: or cope with the fact that they don't have kids,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: not necessarily that they don't want to have kids, but
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: rather coping with the idea that they don't. And so
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, I guess this isn't that weird.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: Look at all these other women that also are in
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: my situation, and look at how we're all celebrating that together.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: I will also celebrate, but secretly dying inside, I'm just saying, like,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and I know that I'm reading into people
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: that I don't know a little bit, but just thinking
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: about the way that women communicate versus men, I don't
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: think men would be on a page like this. There
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: are probably some, but I doubt that. I think it's No,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: you're not women.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: You're right, it's mostly women.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mostly women on there, and they're probably all
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: just gushing about how awesome it is to be them,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: and and they all have to one up each other too, right,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: they have to be like, well, I don't want kids
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: for these reasons, and and I'm saying that that's what
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: it's so like what we're it gets more and more hyperbolic,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: and that's yeah, gotcha.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's move on a bit, because.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's I want this to get too long.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Oh it's already too long.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: I know it's way too long. Somehow the provider still
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: expects the women to do half of the providing, and
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: the women.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Are like, no, huh, you missed honest.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, number fourteen. I'd love to be a dad.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to be a mom.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: You can't be a dad. If you're a woman, you
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: can't be a dad. You just don't have a subscrit
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: by definition.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: But also, do you really want to be a dad?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: What if you want to be a dad but you're
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: kept from seeingior kids exactly? Yeah, but if you just
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: made to pay for them, Yeah, so maybe you don't.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe this is what I'm saying. What I'm saying this
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: is like a non like a completely BS statement from
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't actually understand the position.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: That men are in the.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Position that men are in. Yeah, they just don't get it.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: And they just think that being a dad is better
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: than being a mother. I mean, isn't that kind of like,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, don't we celebrate mothers even on Father's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Day and we're supposed to be concer.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Tell you one thing, like if a dad it, you know,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: gets to be a grandfather and he starts talking about
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: how he hated having his kids, nobody's going to give
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: him a platform. So that's one way that you get
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: to be a mom that dads don't get. I didn't
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was such an important thing for
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: moms to openly and viciously regret having their children. But
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: here we are, that seems to be a benefit they
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: like to claim. And I don't think dads have it.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's going to be encouraging going to
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: give a dad a clap if he says I hate
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: my kids, I wish they were dead. I don't think
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: anybody's In fact, I'm pretty sure that would probably initiate
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: a call to child protective services. But women can do it.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Women feel free to do it. So that's one thing
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: a dad is restricted from doing I'm not so sure
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Dad would do that, but he's definitely restricted from doing
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: it and women aren't. So there you go, Okay, let's
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: go to fifteen.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: All right, fifteen somehow the provider still expects the women
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: to do half of the providing and women are like, no, thanks,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: you don't get to financially support us halfway. Well, I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: do one of everything else. That's not the agreement. So
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: now both sides are just more honest about what they want.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Huh oh god, this is more. This is just like delusion.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: It's delusional, tangled up puppeteer. You're a loser, lady, I.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: Don't like And that's not even that's not even statistically correct.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it's delusional. It's completely reality.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: At most men get a benefit of like half an
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: hour a day maybe, and that's usually using turn like
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: a definition of chores and work that excludes some stuff
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: that men do because it's not it's not continuous. It's
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: more like a very arduous task that takes a long
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: time but is like maybe once a month or something
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: or and it also completely excludes the cost of the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: type of jobs that men do because men's jobs are
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: more stressful, they're more physically demanding, they're more likely to
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: result in them dying or being injured. And that's not included.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, sixteen women used to want kids because
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: kids used to mean security. We couldn't work, We couldn't
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: credit school. You could, yes, you could. We couldn't have
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: credit cards, we couldn't have bank accounts. We had to
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: depend on men, and men could just leave us or
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: hurt us as they please.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: No, they couldn't.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Having kids meant that there was more social pressure for
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: them to stay and a slight deterrent to keep them
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: from abusing us.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Good lord.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: That that carried over to.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Gratitude is feminist, guys. This is lifted right from academic feminism.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: And this that is everywhere, right, And as long as
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: that's everywhere, our species is going to die.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: The air we breathe, it's the water we swim in.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: It's not That's why I don't accept the you know,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: the distinction I guess between like feminists and traccon women.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: It's it's everybody. It's everybody. Almost the very few exceptions
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: buys into some of this. So therefore everybody is a
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: little bit feminist with a very few exceptions. And if
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: you challenge that, if you challenge those things, if you say, well, actually,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: you know, women could, women could work, women could go
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: to school, women could own credit cards. Men did not
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: oppress women at some point in history. In fact, a
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: society needed men to protect women in order for that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: society to thrive. If you even push back on that level,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: you will get You will get pushed back from people,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: no matter what they claim they are, no matter what
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: they say, if they say I'm I'm I'm conservative, if
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: you say that, they they're gonna expose that they're actually feminists,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: because everyone is. This is what I'm saying. It's it
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: is the zeitgeist. It is the water we breathe, we
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: swim in, it's the air we breathe. It's not like
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: a group of people with crazy ideas. It's everybody has crazy,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: a set of crazy ideas. Well, this all has to
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: be debumped.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: This fundamental, crazy idea that men oppressed women. Ever ever,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: that's a fundamental, the insane idea, and it is going
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: to kill us all if we continue to indulge it.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. But this is here. I
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: just had a thought right. Okay, so women were chattel, right,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: but they didn't have a job. Literally, is the thing
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: the value of a slave? Maybe one hundred or so
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: years ago, one hundred and such a few years ago that.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Women were still viewed as chattel.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, but the value of slaves is their labor, is
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: the job that they do. So what kind of slave
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a job? Yeah, okay, let's finish this off.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Let's finish off this insanity.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: All right. I mean, I think they're all gonna say
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: like the same thing, but okay, having kids meant that
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: there was more social pressure for them to stay in
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: a slight detern to keep them from abusing us. That
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: carried over to a future generations of women who didn't
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: necessarily need men. But they were essentially groomed in the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: believing kids were needed and they were meant to be mothers.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I want to stop here for a second. They were
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: essentially groomed it to believing kids were needed. Well, they
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: sort of are, or nobody would be here, Like, why
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: do women need to be groomed into perpetuating the species?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is a massive evolutionary flaw that
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: were witnessing. Okay, keep going.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: All right. Absolutely, a lot of women actually wanted to
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: have kids, but far fewer than those who just said
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: they wanted kids. It's what women did, and it's what
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: women were meant to do. Now fast forward today, women
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: don't need men, Yes you do. We can have baking.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: You're meant to be seen, like I mean, let's just
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: set aside all the stuff that men do. Didn't make
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: it possible for you to think you don't need an
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: individual man. You still need men to be seen. Ladies,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: you can continue to try to be eat it out
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: of each other, but it won't happen. I think that's
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: why I'm not actually starting to think that's why the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: social web is so obsessed with creating these scapegoats, because
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: they feel like if they come together collectively to destroy someone,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: it's almost like a moment of being seen. I don't know,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: there's these those are these are the mysteries that I'm
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: trying to unlock.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Let's keep giving our bank accounts, degrees, work, all of it.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: We're educated and have seen how our mothers were treated
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: growing up. But now there's the expectation for women to
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: work and also be mothers. Men meanwhile get to go
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: to work, come home to a nice home, and do
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to help out with the kids. We kind
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: of realize there's no point in having kids anymore consciously
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: or subconsciously, and dropped it as a major life goal
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: we need to meet. Now the tables have turned. Now
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: babies mean security for men. So okay, they notice that
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of arrogance in these posts. And I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: don't mean like like the women women. This is how
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: separated that this is like a problem of the ego. Okay,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: these women think that it's their generation that's finally turning
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: the tide of like historical oppression of women since the
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: beginning of time. And for some reason, these women today
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: think that they are the ones. They are the chosen ones,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: like Catnus Everdeen, that are going to overthrow, you know,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy. Like they're so sure that all the women
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: who have lived before them were either like unable to
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: do it because they were too weak and they had
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: no power, or they were too stupid. And these women
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: are the enlightened ones, are the smartest, ones, are the
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: most powerful, the most capable, They're the only hope. Do
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: you see how a monumentally arrogant it is for them
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: to be able to make these posts where they're like,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: you know, all previous generations of women were inferior, but
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: we are here now and it's it's just I don't
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: know if you guys grasp this, like the monumental amount
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: of egoism it requires to think that you are where
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: the buck stops you like, it's insane. I'm sorry, it's insane, all.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like it is our time. It's like
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: what what?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: Whoa?
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Whoa what? We've been here for hundreds of thousands and
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: millions of years and you're the one. You're her, You're
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: the You're the one.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the that's the mark they want to make
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: on history, Brian, Yeah, as it completely.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: All right. Number seventeen. Now, the child rearing costs are
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: the woman's problem, and don't eat up his whole provider paycheck.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he want them?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: I don't even Let's just go to the next one, right.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Eighteen Now, the child rearing cause are a woman problem.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: Eighteen We become educated, we have ready access to birth control,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: and our ancestors from the early nineteen hundreds fought for
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: us to get rights. One of those rights is the
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: choice not to have kids or not.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: But men can't have an opinion about it.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Those weak, stupid women from before, they're they're basically setting
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: up for us. It's our time, Now we're going to
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: I honestly think it's an architectural thing. Those women from
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: before that they're so contemptuous of. They had the activation
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: that made them want to have a man and children.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Like you think about it, also, do we just take
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: away women's right to their bodies? I thought that was
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: like the new panic. I thought that you guys lost
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: that and roe v Wade happened when we overturned it.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: I thought you guys were now weaker than ever and
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: more oppressed than ever. I thought, which one is it? Ladies,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: did the stupid inferior women from the past finally, over
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: the course of multiple generations slowly move the needle to
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: the point where you are now able to take full
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: bore and go fucking super Saiyan Goku God to like
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: throw overthrow the patriarchy because now you have birth control?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: Or are you more oppressed than ever because we overturned
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: roev Wade? Which one is it? I'm not sure helped
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: me out.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: It's every bit, every bit of it, every.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Bit both, it's both at once, all of them. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: Number nineteen. Education is pretty much my answer. God, no, please.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: We got to learn everything about child rearing and pregnancy
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: and chose to opt out of it. The good old
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: you know how it is when you're going through it
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: yourself doesn't really work as well as it used to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: when you can google it in less than five seconds
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: and make up your mind yourself. Again, this is more
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: shitting on the women of the past because this line
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: you will know how it is when you're going through
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: it yourself. That's something that a woman who has had
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: children would tell another woman. It would be what you
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: might call wisdom, wisdom of people that are older than
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: you and are more worldly and have learned more. But
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: fuck that, because I can go on the internet and google.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: It so well, they're going with all of these women
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: who are like I regret having children like They've managed
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: to find some examples of older women who say this,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that I just
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: am astounded that people put such effort into older women
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: and they're far more likely to have opinions like this
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: than older men, which we just discard. Right, it's unfair,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: It's seriously unfair. Men have to live up to a
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: far higher standard of women than women, it seems when
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: it comes to being parents and like functionally true, men
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: have to live up to a far higher standard to
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: be recognized as a parent legally than women do. And
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: socially it seems to be true too, because we would
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: never tolerate father talking this way about his children or
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: his grandchildren, not in a million years. So men know
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: that they can't say stuff like this, They know that
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: they're held to a standard that they keep their traps shut.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: But women just just puke it out wherever they want
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: because they aren't held to the same standard. Nobody is
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: looking at this and saying, my god, what is the
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: effect of these women's words on other people other than
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: these women. Nobody's looking at it this way. None of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: these people are saying that. And yet that's the first
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: thing we would think about if a man said the
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: same thing, because men are held to standards. Fathers are
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: held to standards, grandfathers are held to standards, and apparently mothers, grandmothers,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: and women are held to none everybody else has held
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: the standards for them because of them anyway. Yeah, gross, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Number twenty. I think social media has allowed women
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: something they never had for years, a voice. Women are
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: sharing the realities of childbirth, labor, and raising a child
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: with a man, often with the expectation of also working
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: and paying fifty to fifty. They've realized there's more to
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: life than an indentured servitude. Oh my god, tell your
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: children that you were basically a slave because you had
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: to raise them. Also, more women are graduating and buying
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: their own homes and men. Women no longer need to
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: marry and have kids for financial security or material gain,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: but on the basis of a man's character. And so
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: many men are failing miserably.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: Really, I mean, I'm just reminded of that that dating
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: show I'm gonna I'm gonna replace because and that one
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: woman who's like, all men are are dating multiple women,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, all men are dating multiple women? Or
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: only the men that you actually.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: See the human Yeah, the men that you think are men,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: the men that you see as human.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: The men that you actually see as existing. So many
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: men are failing miserably. You mean the men you actually
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: see as existing, which are all pre selected by other
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: members of your social female social group. You're all revolving
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: around that five percent or the narcissists, right that every
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: one of you says is your acts? The the t
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: app does he fuck good? That kind of thing?
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: Do good?
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Is all? Oh, sorry, I was correcting the grammar or
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: what it was.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, get it right, do he do he good?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: G U d f uk.
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  Speaker 2: Women don't need So that's why you got married and
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: you had kids was for financial security and material gain,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: all right, and for some reason, there's no nothing about this. Actually,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: looks at have women gotten? Do women have a better character? Now?
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: Like, have women's character has Has women's character collectively improved
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: in the last seventy years when we're talking about, oh,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: women don't want men because men's character is bad, which
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what the hell that means, because
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: and it's it's patently false if that dating panel is
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: any anything to go on, Men's character is perfectly fine,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: which makes perfect sense when you look at it. Architecturally,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: Men just by virtue of being men and growing up, Uh,
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: they're they're ready to be custodio at some level. Women
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: take more. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if maybe
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: the whole making her dance for three days of puberty
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: or do run a marathon or sit in a hut
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: for like three months, that might be more necessary than
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: putting boys through an initiation just to activate just as
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: you know, get that, get that that activation started in
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: your young women so they don't turn into this mess.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: So that's my point, like there do women? Do women's
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: pass the test of character today?
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: And when she says character, does she mean character or
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: does she mean is he entertaining? Right? Because yeah, you know,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: the average man is not that entertaining. They can be entertaining,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: and I know I'm not disparaging the average man, but
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: that's not what it's about. Right. You know, you're not
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: supposed to marry like you're I don't know, a permanent
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: ticket to the Broadway production of Cats, Like, yeah, you're
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: marrying a dude. It's not always going to be entertaining.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: If you're really lucky, he will be, and most likely
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: that will be because you are also entertaining on some level,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: see what I'm getting it. So it's like that's what
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: they want, that's what they mean by character? Does he
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: entertain me. And let's go a step further. Is he
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: a sociopath? Because sociopaths are very entertaining for women. I
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: don't like for a lot of women, that seems and
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: this is statistically true as well, like they're attracted to
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: the sociopathic personality style. And I know that's not the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: correct term, it's antisocial personality disorder, but I dare you
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: to say that on stream repeatedly. So I'm just gonna
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: go with sociopath. Women are attracted to the sociopathic personality style.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: They find that entertaining. Okay, that's what she means by character?
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: Is he entertaining? And then she probably goes on and says,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: why am all my exes narcissists? Because that's what you
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: think character is. You don't think character is ethics and
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: reliability and showing the fuck up and not having to
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: to create like a cold war, and you're not fighting
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: a cold war with the man that you're supposedly trying
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: to date, who you aren't. Let's face it, you're just
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: an orbiter. Right, he shows up, he's got ethics, he's reliable,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: that's character. What she means is is he a character?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: Does he entertain me like my female friends entertain me.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, you're not going to get that,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: Like you you aren't literally not going to get that
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: from a man, and if you do, you should run
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: because that means he doesn't have normal male substrate. That
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: means he's a fucking sociopath. Because yeah, just like it's
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: ridiculous because so what she's saying about character isn't. What
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: she means is why aren't men more entertaining? Yeah, and
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: also she never considers what about my character as a woman.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: Has women's character improved over the last seventy years? Are
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: we expected to hold ourselves to I mean, this article
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: is a counterexample of women being held to any standard
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: of character. The crap coming out of those women's mouths
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: would never be tolerated if it came out of men's
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: mouth because men are expected to have a character right,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: They're expected to shut up when they're they're gonna say
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: something that could be potentially harmful to another person. They're
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: expected to think about it before they beak off. But
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: women get a platform and they slap each other on
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: the back and they clap like seal. The more toxic
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: they get, the more contemptuous they get to their loved
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: ones because they don't have character. So it's ironic to
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: the greatest degree that this woman is like men don't
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: have the character necessary to get women to commit while
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: demonstrating her complete lack of character.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, last thing I'll say about this too,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: is when she says, I think social media has allowed
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: women something they never had for years, A voice. Who
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: gave you social media? Lady, who invented it? Who created it?
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: Was women? Did So men gave you a voice and
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: they didn't ask for anything in return.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: Not even not being assholes to them.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's freaking, freaking hilarious.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: Like it encapsulates the problem. Like these women have it
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: so good that they feel like completely, like you know,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: free to like insult the thing that's giving them their
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: position in life, their status, their their comforts, their protection exists.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: They're just completely separated from that.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: This is what I admire about men, and I also
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: sort of feel I wish they could pull back from.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: And that is men accommodate, right, they build this stuff
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: and they don't tell constantly women, Hey wait, where where
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: do you where do you think your voice is coming from?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: They started some men on the Internet, which is great.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Whatever podcast is doing it right, which is I think
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: is actually really critical because women need to know. It's
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: why I got upset, not upset, but why I pointed out,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: like a Memorial Day many many years ago, it was
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: the one where shoe got in my case, I pointed out,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: although I think she just misunderstood what I was saying.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: I pointed out that we need to remember that wartime
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: death and wartime is overwhelmingly male, and if we don't
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: make sure to remember that, we're going to lose our society.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: I think I've pretty much been vindicated in another prediction,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: and people got on my case about that. But the
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: thing is that if we do not recognize the sacrifices
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: that men make, they become completely we don't know how
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: to support them. And well, first of all, minimize how
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: much they have to sacrifice, but also support them in
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: doing those sacrifices so they're even able to make them right.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, my preference is that no man are
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: sacrifice for society at all. Right, But that's, like I said,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: that's the accommodation that men are making. Yes they've made
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: social media, Yes they've made the infrastructure. No, they don't
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: keep slamming it into women's face every time they beak off,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: every time they say some new stupid thing, right, And
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: that's probably something that needs to happen, that women need
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: to be need to face the fact every time they
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: beak off about their hatred of men, that men are
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: why they're here. Men are why they can beak off
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: about hatred of men. Men are the ones who are
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: giving them the platform and the technology to do it right.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: And they're not even expecting gratitude, right, they're not even
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: teaching the women in their lives that they should be grateful.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: And that's just the thing that men do. They accommodate,
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: and then they just quietly accommodate, and then they become
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: the accommodation and then they're taken for granted. And I
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: have seen this pattern in the weirdest places, but I
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: see it over and over and over again, and we
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: need like I'm like the whatever podcast is doing God's
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: work in no longer accommodating women and actually telling them
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: the truth, even though you know it's sort of dumb.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: Well, sometimes you need like stuff at all levels, Alison.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: You can't be like super like high IQ because most
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: women are not. So yeah, you just see it at
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: their levels.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: You should really like anybody who thinks that whatever podcast
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: is misogynist should look at how they deal with these
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: idiots who are saying patently stupid and hateful things. These
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: women who are saying patently stupid and hateful things. Look
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: at how those men deal with them. And then look
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: at how the leprechaun was dealing with Rachel Wilson for
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: having the audacity of being coherent and disagreeing with him.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: And you tell me which group of men hates women?
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, number twenty one. Yep, almost done here,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: just home stretch. I can see the plate. Fifteen years ago.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: I remember the online manisphere because we had to go
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: there pushing men to put hot sauce in condoms because
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: women were supposedly gold digging horse I would steal them
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: out of the trash after a hookup because apparently babies
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: were some sort of meal ticket. Well, yes they are, Yes,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: they are for women.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: You have to be paid to actually take care of
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: your babies.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what's wrong with that? Of course, the problem
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: is that men would would even like take this kind
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: of precaution and suggest it, it's not. I mean, like
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: if you're not, like, the hot sauce in the condom
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: after it's been used isn't hurting anybody, So why do
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: you give a shit hot sauce if anything?
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: Also, these women probably wouldn't be offended if women were
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: protecting themselves against forms of sexual harm that men do well,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: men and women do. But you know, you know what
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if they don't, Like, how does wit
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: men protecting themselves from women become something that's that's offensive
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: to you? Like if I don't know, like if a
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: man was like not just being upset at men women
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: doing all men are rapist thing, but if a man
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: was upset at a woman carrying pepper spray, like literally,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: I carry pepper spray just in case I get mugged
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't know, I feel like that's gonna
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: say more on about him than her. Same here thing here.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: If you have a problem with men protecting themselves, I
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: think it says more about you, lady than it does
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: about the men that you have a problem with.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: All right, let's all right, Okay, So the whole culture
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: was about bar pickups, fake names, and no cohabitation. Rouge
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: v was their patron saint, and I remember when he
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: himself hit the wall and wanted to settle down with
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: a Christian tradwife. Now it's completely flipped. Hold on a second,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta sneeze.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have something to say about this. I have
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: something to say. Okay, no, keep going.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's completely flipped. The push is to have
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: us a live in sex nanny who also needs to
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: pay her way, because most of them still don't want
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: to actually pay for a trad wife and they've realized
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: babies are the real way to keep women around. It
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: sounds like, no matter what situation it is, you hate
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: all of it though, because men are involved. Yeah, the
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: whole thing is just like hating men.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, men have an opinion.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, like break it down, all right, So the
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: online manisphere show you hate men for taking precautions with
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: their fertility by putting hot sauce in condoms. So that's
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: bad because men bad. Then treating the culture was about
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: bar pickups, fake names and no cohabitation also bad. So
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: like hooking up with women that want to hook up,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: and like you know, basically just picking women up at
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: bars is bad because it's a man doing it. Ruche
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: V bad just because he is. And then when he
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: hit the wall and wanted to settle down on a
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Christian trad wife, also bad. These are all bad, like
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: it does. There's no like she's telling a story, but
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: all of it is lands on man bad. And Ruchev
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: didn't hit the wall. He just like from what I remember,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: and he was on Karen's channel once basically was like,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: you know, all of this is like not satisfying me,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not happy. I'm going to find a woman
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: and settle down with her and be happy Christian conversion
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: where you're basically like, I am not at peace because
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: I am like with all these women, all of this success,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: all of this, you know whatever, it's not making me happy.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do something else. He did that, and
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, but she of course hates all
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: of it, right, and then they flipped it again, so
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: all of it's bad though who cares. It doesn't matter
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: how many things they did.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: So sorry, I keep trying to interrupt you.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: No, go ahead, all right.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: Didn't Ruche? I think it might be Ruche. It was
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: one of the big pickup artists. Actually was sort of
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: talking about how his experiences have caused him problems with
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: actually bonding. I don't know if it was ruche. I
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: think it was, yeah, And he was really really honest
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: about that, which is hard. I would and that's very
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: hard to be like honest, no, but but it's it
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: is it might be important for people to or men
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: to realize, although I don't know how important it is
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: now considering that nobody's having sex anymore. But you know, like, uh,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: the casual sex he was talking about, it attenuated his
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: ability to bond like men do. That would be with
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: that kind of specificity and intensity and possessiveness. So he
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: was able to continue to have like affiliative, you know,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: like warm and fuzzy kind of friendly kind of interactions.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: But he actually may have destroyed his ability that part
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: of being a man. And I've not destroyed it, but
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: compromised it. Hopefully he's recovered it, right, I don't know
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: what he did. I think he went through a period
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: of celibacy. But it's like he's they're taking this and
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: they're like pointing fingers at this dude who is being
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: honest about his experience and trying to reform what he did. Right,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: And obviously regrets it. I don't know if we know
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: it was Rollo that that banned me, So I don't know,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: but not not banned, but blocked me. But so he's
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: being honest and he's trying to change his life to
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: be more in line with his values, and they have
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: a problem with that, Like it's that's actually a credit
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: to him. I would say, you know, honest, you know,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: telling people, telling other men, this is a potential pitfall
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: of the lifestyle I pursued and then trying to make
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: changes like that seems like it would be something that
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, yeah, that's a good thing, right, just
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: like Rachel Wilson's situation, although I mean it was a
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: little bit different. But she's she's you know, she says,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: these are the mistakes I make. I want to prevent
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: other women for making them, you know, And I'm trying
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: to turn over another leaf and make a life for
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: my kids and my husband and that, you know, and
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Like genuine regret and an evolution
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: and character is exactly what you want if somebody is
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: doing something that's harming themselves or harming others. So how
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: does she turn it into like, oh my god, men
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: can recognize they've done something wrong and then improve their
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: lives and try to rectify the mistakes they made. Oh
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: my god, don't you just hate men? Like what? Okay? Right?
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: I think demonic is okay?
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: All right? Those? Yeah, so the manosphere twenty two last one.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: I saw a German documentary. Okay, so we're gonna land
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: on Nazis now a few years ago. What the one
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: thing Nazis don't want to do is have kids?
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: Right, I said, that's your first mistake.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: I saw a German Yeah, I saw a German documentary.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: At least it wasn't like a German sitcom or something
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: a German stand up comedian I saw. I saw German porno.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I saw a German documentary a few
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: years ago. I don't remember what it was about, but
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: one thing stood out. A scientist addressed the shift in
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: men's desire to have offspring between the last century and now.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: The theory is that relates to our changing economic systems.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: Men used to derive a lot of recognition and validation
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: from their professional lives. Even simple jobs could make a
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: husband a single breadwinner and even pay for a vacation.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: This is just demonic like the misinterpretations of why men
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: do what they do. They were like, oh, you know
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: there was validation. No, they did it to provide for
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: a family. Like, why would breadwinner be a something that
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: is laudable, Lady, you think that it's just like that.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: This is the problem with the oxytocin generalist thinking. Everything
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: is status, nothing is loyalty or responsibility. So she sees
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: a man being proud of being a breadwinner, and she's like, oh,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: he's proud of his status. I mean he's a garage attendant.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: He's so proud of that.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: No, he's proud of the fact that he's keeping people alive,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: that he cares about, you fucking lizard. Yeah, okay, all right.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Nowadays most men are burned out by their jobs more quickly.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: Validation is near zero, and there's often little perspective on
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: better times ahead. Yeah, probably because they're not Like if
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: if you're getting a job specifically because you want to
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: support a family, and there are no women that want
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: to have a family, then yeah, you would think that
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: your job is gonna be a little bit less satisfying.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: Becoming a manager is no longer as impressive as it
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: used to be, So the new status symbol became wifey
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: and kids rather than professional achievement. No, that was well,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: you start off from a bad premise already, So it's
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: also a peer pressure thing. Men can be just as
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: dogmatic towards each other as women, and often instilled feelings
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: of guilt and shame in others who don't follow the
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: new gold standard of the nuclear family two point zero.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: Oh this is projection.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolute projection at the guys.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: Stop shaming, Stop kid shame.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Men are just like us, but worse because they're men.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: Just ridiculous.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, are we done with this? Yeah?
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think called the shift? There was no shift?
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: Or do you think there was even even one? Have
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: you noticed this dynamic in your own dating life or
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: heard something similar from the women and your family? See
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: your thoughts in the comments or anonymous born below. So yeah,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't think most of these women
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: in this reddit threat are they're not dating or they're
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: like lying about their opinions because they want to fit
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: in with the other chicks in the red thread.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, so I will get I will
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: deliver my my analysis that I got punished claude to do,
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: which is my stochastic spreadsheet that I give patterns to
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: that you know, I give it data and I say
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: match it to this or see how it matches to
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: this pattern. It's very good at that. Unfortunately, I think
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of people oversaw what AI can actually do.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: There is this one I think liberal writer who like
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: had AI comment on his book and now he thinks
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: it's satians. Now he thinks what it's sentient. Sentient.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've interviewed a guy who thought his
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: uhs Ai like friend that he's trying to liberate from
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: the clutches of big tech.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, I'm like, no, it's just a really
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: good pattern max matching spreadsheet. Okay. So this is what
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: punished Claude to say. And my question was, why is
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: this hostility so important to these people? It delivers things
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: they can't get other ways. Identity content I'm a person
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: who sees through men is a stable self concept that
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: requires no achievement to maintain. Only continued performance of the
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: seeing through. Take it away, and the identity collapses into
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: whatever else is there, which for many people is not much.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: How you tell this, AI is trained on me coalition
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: signal shared hostility produces in group oxytocin sharpening the d drew.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: Finding mutual contempt for the same target is the fastest
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: available bond. Friendships built on shared loathing of outgroup are
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: real friendships at the neurochemical level. They just require the
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: outcoop out group to keep existing, so the outgroup must
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: be maintained. Real friendships, well, I don't know if I
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: would I would go so far as real friendship. At
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: the normal chemical level, they are perceived as being real friendships.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: Discharge whatever else is wrong. Lonely, broke, unloved, scared. Guessing
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: that describes a lot of the women in Child Free
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 2: gets a destination diffuse. Distress is unbearable. Targeted hostility is tolerable.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: The target doesn't have to deserve it, it just has to
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: absorb it. Men are really good absorbing this stuff. It's
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: really unfortunate. I wish you'd stop status within the in group,
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: the most fluently hostile comment wins the upboats. The reward
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: is real and immediate. On the projection point, yes, the
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: decode isn't an error in their case, it's autobiographical. It's
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: exactly what I just said. I think this is a
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: lot of projection especially that last one. I'm pretty sure
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: men are putting pressure on Okay, let me just ask Brian,
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: do you find that you get a lot of pressure
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: from the men in your life to produce children?
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: No? There, you got easy.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: But da code isn't an error in their case, it's autobiographical.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: When a reading or relational modality social process or describes
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: male behavior as positioning, ego, and extraction, they're describing what
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: their own behavior in those situations would be. Their cognitive
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: operation is social positioning. Their behavior expresses social positioning. They
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: assume universality. The article isn't wrong about the people producing it,
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: it's wrong about the target. So if you actually reversed
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: what these women are saying and applied it to them,
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: it would be accurate. The diagnostic diagnosis is the asymmetric confidence.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: They are reporting so called accurate first person data about
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: themselves while claiming third person knowledge about men. The first
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: person data is reliable, the generalization is the failure. So essentially,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: what punished Claude is saying is the lady Duff protests
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: too much. They are revealing themselves in everything they say,
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: and then they are attributing it to men in order
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: to maintain hostility towards men, to maintain their identity of
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: having seen through men and their social web as you know,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: man haters. Basically, it's a yeah, this is what women
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: get up to when they don't get enough spanking, all.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, unsurprising, like I think that. I think that
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: it's when I don't know, it's just what happens when
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: women get together with other women. Yeah, but also be
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: like an inevitable thing, like the worst the rest down
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: or try to sabotage them. You know, women sabotage each
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: other by gassing each other up.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and also by tearing men down. So you
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to you don't want to, you don't want
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: to eat breaks out. You know, those figs are awful.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: You don't want those figs. They're bad figs. You don't
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: want to go there and get those figs. Terrible figs,
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: very disgusting, bitter, bitter figs. Those are bitter figs. That's
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing with men, for sure. And uh
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: was that? What else was I going to say? Like, Nope,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: it's completely gone. Uh I think we're done.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Yep, all right, well
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: then let me just look and see if there's any
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: more super chance or.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: What I'll do the same. Yeah, I'll just I'll poke
• 2:29:43
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• 2:29:48
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• 2:30:00
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• 2:30:05
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• 2:30:07
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• 2:30:10
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• 2:30:12
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  Speaker 2: This is not a very you know, it's just not
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  Speaker 2: a message that people. It's a message that I think
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  Speaker 2: is really necessary, but nobody really wants to engage in
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  Speaker 2: it on scale, and I think it's just it's just
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  Speaker 2: men want to accommodate and women want to complain, and
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  Speaker 2: we're working against both of that because we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: say no, man, you got to complain a little because
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  Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous, and women, you need to shut
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  Speaker 2: the fuck up. And nobody wants to hear that. They'd
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  Speaker 2: rather think that everything else is the problem. But the
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  Speaker 2: absolute toxicity of the relationship between men and women because
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  Speaker 2: women have convinced themselves that men oppress them, and they've
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  Speaker 2: convinced themselves not because it's true, but because it's useful,
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  Speaker 2: because it's like an infinite accommodation machine. Anyway. So if
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  Speaker 2: you would again feed the Badger dot com slash support,
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  Speaker 2: if you'd like to make sure we don't go off
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  Speaker 2: the air and Badger Nation down online, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to hear I'm probably gonna do like a recap of this,
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  Speaker 2: like bring out the most the best parts, do a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more in depth analysis of everything we talked
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  Speaker 2: about in terms of my frameworks with punished Claude and
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  Speaker 2: if that sounds interesting. Badgenation dot online is where you'll
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  Speaker 2: find it. It's our discord until I figure out like
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  Speaker 2: some kind of email list if I do that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: back to you, Brian.
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