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S03 E25 - We Build the Ultimate Road Trip Playlist · Pop of Culture

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[Jen Blackmer] This week on Pop of Culture,
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[Stephanie Weichmann] We'll feature some of our most memorable music moments
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[Dave Carter] It's also, like, doubt creeps in and it's like, Oh,
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that's not realistic, you know,
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but I would love to,
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like, play music for a living.
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[Stephanie] From Indiana Public Radio,
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this is Pop of Culture.
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I'm guest host Stephanie Weichmann.
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[Jen] And I'm Jen Blackmer.
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The pop team is lucky to take
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a little vacation every July.
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And, Stephanie, you know you cannot
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leave for vacation without-
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[Stephanie] Snacks?
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[Jen] Yes, but not for this show.
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[Stephanie] Sunscreen?
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[Jen] Also important, but not arts
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and culture-related.
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[Stephanie] A good book?
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[Jen] Okay, I'm just going to go to a playlist.
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You need a road trip playlist.
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Yeah. So this week, we're listening
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back to some of our favorite musical guests,
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starting with local musician Dave Carter.
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He sat down with Michelle Kinsey.
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[Michelle] We're gonna talk about all things,
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Dave, and that includes his new album.
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"There Is Only One of Us."
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But before we get to that,
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let's talk about your history in music.
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Dave, when did all of this start for you?
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The songwriting, the playing?
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[Dave] I started playing guitar when I was 12. Mm hmm.
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So what, like 31 years ago or something?
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Um, then I kind
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of started writing songs when I was like, 15 or so.
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Yeah. I would play, like, a talent show and stuff.
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But my friend pretty much told
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me that I wasn't good at writing lyrics,
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so. So it
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kind of traumatized me for a few years.
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So I stopped writing songs. And then, uh,
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then whenever I got to Ball State in,
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like, early 2000s, I started writing songs again.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] So yeah.
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[Michelle] And so did you play out at Ball State?
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Did you play in bands?
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Did you just do the solo thing?
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[Dave] Oh, I didn't play a lot out whenever I was in college.
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There was a I don't know if you're aware,
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but there was a really cool music scene
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going on at Ball State in the early 2000s.
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And I was kind of intimidated by it,
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'cause, like, there was a lot of good bands.
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And I was just, like, didn't
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feel like I was good enough or whatever.
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But I actually became friends
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with all the band not all the bands,
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but a lot of the bands that I admired, you know? And,
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[Michelle] Like? Name names.
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[Dave] Everything Now.
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[Michelle] I knew you were gonna say that.
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[Dave] Yeah, I actually used to be in Everything Now.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] I joined that band in 2008 to 2012.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] But yeah, they were really big,
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like in the early 2000.
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[Michelle] Mmm.
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[Dave] Yeah, and then there's
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this other band called Everested Deadbeats.
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He's actually the lead singer
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of that band is actually the one that
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produced my last two albums.
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[Michelle] Oh, nice.
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[Dave] Yeah. So, like, my last two albums
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were pretty much just like me playing acoustic guitar.
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And then he added, like,
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all the keyboards and the bass and the background vocals,
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percussion and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah.
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So, yeah.
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[Michelle] So, when did your first album come out?
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And was there kind of like a pause? Was there a hiatus?
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[Dave] There was a hiatus yeah.
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Yeah, I actually made, like,
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an EP with him in like 2008, 2009.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] It was more like a folk thing. But, uh,
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yeah, there was, like,
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there's long hiatuses in my musical background.
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It happens, I guess.
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[Michelle] Were you
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are these hiatuses where you did not write?
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You did not-
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[Dave] Oh, I always write.
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Yeah, I was always writing.
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And I would play, like, random shows.
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Seems like within the last few years,
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I've been, like, playing music a lot more.
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[Michelle] Mm hmm.
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[Dave] Which I like, you know?
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Yeah. Yeah, hopefully I can play,
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like, as much as possible, you know?
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] ♪♪ Tell all those people that you see,
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you're in love with Mother Nature
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Tell all those people
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that you see that you don't want to trust the government.
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You don't spend all your money on medicine,
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'cause you got yourself some vitamins.
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Tell all those people
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that you see that you love to meet their stepmom.
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Tell all those people that you
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see that you love your grandma and grandpa.
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You don't spend all your money on gasoline,
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'cause you got yourself a bicycle.
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Tell all those people that you
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see that you've been drunk on other planets.
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Tell all those people that you see that
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you're hooked up to a circuit. You know,
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you don't have to be sad no more.
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No, you don't have to be sad no more.
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No, you don't have to be sad no more.
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That's so 1990s. ♪♪
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[Michelle] I got to
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tell you this story because the first time I saw you,
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this is before I started seeing you
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at other open mics around town.
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But it was at
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The Old Washington Street Festival last summer.
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And there was kind of an open mic tent
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or an area where people were
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just playing, and I was walking by,
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and I heard some awesomeness happening.
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And it was you playing,
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you know, by yourself, playing some songs.
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And then when you were done,
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you just got up and just walked away.
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I was just almost like
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this riding off into the sunset thing.
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It was just like, I did this great thing. You're welcome.
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I'm out. And just walked away.
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And then I remember asking people, Who was that?
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And it was you.
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[Dave] Yeah, I-.
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[Michelle] And now you're here.
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[Dave] Yeah, I should have explained that.
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Yeah, I think I might have told you before,
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but I had to go to work. I was late for work.
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So I didn't know what to do. Like, I didn't know, like,
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if I should sit and mingle for a little bit.
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Or if I just walk away.
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It's like.
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[Dave] He's gone.
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Yeah.
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[Michelle] Yeah, there we go with guitar in hand.
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[Dave] Yeah, right.
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[Michelle] Well, let's talk about the album.
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How What was the process like
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putting "There's Only One of Us" together?
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When did you start work on that?
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Are these relatively new songs?
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[Dave] Yeah. There's quite a few older songs on there,
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but this is the longest we've ever
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spent on an album,
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like, especially me and John, the producer.
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I actually I'll try to make it short,
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but it's kind of a long story just because
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Okay, we started in February of 2024.
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[Michelle] Okay.
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[Dave] So at the start of the year.
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[Michelle] Mm hm.
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[Dave] We got basic tracks down for like four or five songs,
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me and a drummer, acoustic guitar.
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He adds stuff to it. It's sounding good.
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I don't know if you were aware of this,
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but I got hit by a car last March.
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[Michelle] What? No, I wasn't aware of that.
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[Dave] Yeah, it sucked.
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Uh so that postponed it for a long time
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'cause his studio was on the second floor of his house,
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so, like, I couldn't climb stairs, you know?
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And then all this other stuff happened, like
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[Michelle] Were you still writing while
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you were recovering?
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[Dave] Uh, yeah.
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I mean, I wasn't playing a lot
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whenever I was like, in a wheelchair,
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but I had ideas for this because,
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like, we hadn't recorded,
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like, the second half of the songs at all, you know.
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Finally, we got together and we just recorded me with,
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like, a drum machine 'cause the drummer couldn't make it.
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Yeah. So then we added everything on top of that.
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And then we added drums on top of that.
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So half of the drums are from
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the first session and then half
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of them from the second session.
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So it took over a year to complete.
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But I think it was worth it, 'cause
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I think it's the best thing we've ever done together.
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[Michelle] Yeah. Yeah. It sounds really great.
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[Dave] Oh, thank you.
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[Michelle] What inspires you when you sit down to write?
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What is the creative process like for you?
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Do you just have to Do you get something in your head,
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no matter where you are? You got to write it down.
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Are you pretty diligent about how much
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time you spend writing or what's that process like?
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[Dave] Usually, it's just, like, a melody pops in my head, and,
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like, I use a voice memo, like, on my iPhone.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] To record it.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] Or I'm playing guitar and I just, like,
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improvise lyrics and, like,
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melodies and stuff. And, um
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if they're good enough, I keep them.
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You know, like.
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[Michelle] How would you describe
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the album to someone who has not heard it yet?
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If they're saying, Oh, you've got an album.
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What's it like? What's the vibe?
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[Michelle] Half 90s alternative-influenced music and half,
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like, folky-influenced music, probably.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] Yeah, 'cause I like both.
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Like, I used to have, like, identity crisis, like,
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Am I like a rock 'n roll dude or,
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like, a folk singer? You know?
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Like, after a while,
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I was like-.
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[Michelle] You can do both.
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[Dave] Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah. Who cares?
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[Michelle] Yeah. Why do you do it?
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Why do you play?
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What does music do for you?
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Why do you feel you need to do it?
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[Dave] Uh, I mean, I don't feel like
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I need to do it. Like, it's not like.
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[Michelle] Why do you want to do it?
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[Dave] It's fun to play.
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Like, I don't know. Like,
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it's always kind of been my dream job.
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Like in the spring,
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like I got asked to play at this thing called
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the Mushroom Festival in Martinsville.
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[Michelle] Mm hmm.
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[Dave] I get paid like $100 for a half hour.
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And I was like, 'cause
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I like deliver food, and I was like, Man,
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that's a good night, you know,
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for, you know, delivering, you know?
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] So if I could do that, like,
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a few nights a week doing that, you know,
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like, with original music, that would be my dream job.
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But, like, it's also,
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like, doubt creeps in and it's like, "Oh,
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that's not realistic," you know,
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but I would love to, like,
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play music for a living.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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And there are a lot of people.
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Like, you could play covers.
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You could go to open mics and play covers or go out and
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get gigs at a lot of places and play covers.
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It's another thing to put yourself out
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there with original music.
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[Dave] Yeah, that's the other thing.
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Yeah, like, most of my friends that
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do make a living off music,
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they play at bars and play
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cover songs for like 3 hours, you know?
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The way I sing, I can't sing for 3 hours because I like,
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blow my voice out, you know.
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Um, so I don't have the option,
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and I really want to I like playing covers, you know,
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I don't want to I'd like to play originals mostly.
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[Michelle] But it's got to be a different feeling
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to put something that you created
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out there for everyone to not just
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listen to but kind of judge, right?
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[Dave] Yeah.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] It's a little scary.
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I used to have the insecurity a lot more,
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like, 'cause there for a while,
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one of those hiatuses we were talking about, like,
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I didn't release music for, like,
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it seemed like ten years or something.
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And I was like, "Oh, man, what if people don't like it?
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What if people think it sucks?"
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You know, like, same thing. But, like,
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I definitely had that fear.
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And then I got good reception from it,
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so I guess my fears went away more.
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[Michelle] And I think it also comes with age, right?
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As you get older, you're just like, "Pfft,
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I'm just gonna do it because I want to."
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Yeah, true. Yeah.
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[Michelle] I'm just gonna do it for myself
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and hopefully, people will like it.
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[Dave] For sure.
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[Michelle] Yeah.
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[Dave] ♪♪ I was a window, I was a hallyway.
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You told her it all under and gave it a name.
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You told me to hold this.
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You said you could handle this.
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You told half the story to the whole human race.
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I got nothing to talk about.
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I got nothing to say.
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I was a tourist.
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I was a scapegoat.
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You hid it back under,
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and gave it a face.
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I tested your vision,
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I checked out your philosophies.
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You broke it up somewhere and made it a wave.
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I got nothing to talk about.
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I got nothing to say.
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I got nothing to talk about.
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I got nothing to say.
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I got nothing to talk about.
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I got nothing to say. ♪♪
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Stuff like that?
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[Michelle] I like the laugh at the end.
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[Jen] We had Dave Carter
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on the show in Season 2, Episode 29.
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We're listening back to some of our
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favorite musical moments on
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the show in celebration of summer road trip season.
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[Stephanie] Sometimes traveling can be a little stressful,
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so we thought we'd center ourselves with
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Native American flute music from Larry Gindhart.
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Here's part of his conversation with
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Kara DuQuette from 2025.
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[Kara DuQuette] I was wondering if you could share
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a little bit about your process with us,
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like, how you create these.
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[Larry Gindhart] How I create.
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[Kara] Songs.
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[Larry] The the songs come from a really deep internal place.
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They're they're they're not since I'm right here,
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I'm doing all strictly improvisational music.
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And so that comes through me,
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rather than something that I think through carefully.
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I mean, there's I have certain structures, but the
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the all the songs are unique and
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don't often play the same one over and over again.
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So that was an improvised tune for this moment.
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And it's like it's like the spirit
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of music that I
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am to express is there and it comes through me.
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So I just, you know,
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it just guides me and guides how
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I think about the music and how it comes out.
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[Kara] Well, when you talk about that, it makes me want to ask
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you about music sound therapy.
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I know you.
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[Larry] Mm hmm.
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Yeah.
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[Kara Do that.
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[Larry] Yeah, I have lots of Himalayan
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and crystal singing bowls and
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tuning forks and native flutes,
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like if I'm doing a sound immersion,
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all of those instruments are involved,
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as well as some East Indian drone sounds and
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you know, just different things that
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I decide to play as it's going along.
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And for those for sound immersions
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it's usually in a darkened room
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and people are lying on yoga mats,
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and they're in they
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go into pretty deep states of comfort and relaxation.
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If it's somebody that's got,
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you know, some kind of muscle pain problem, you know,
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that's just tuning forks,
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and it takes about 15 minutes to remedy the stress.
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[Kara] So the tuning forks, how does that work?
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[Larry] Well, in physics, everything is vibration.
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[Kara] Mm hm.
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[Larry] So we can only see things that are
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physical form because the vibration
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has slowed down enough that we can see it. But
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many many physicists have said
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that the medicine of future will be vibratory.
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And, you know, the concept
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behind there's just I don't know,
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I'm overwhelmed by so many things
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that I could potentially talk about.
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So I'll just say this.
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[Kara] That's okay.
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[Larry] If someone's having some kind of distress,
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and I'm not talking about cancer or any kind of thing.
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However, if somebody, you know,
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when one is in distress,
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usually there's something that's out of balance.
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It's it's not in accordance with one's resonant state.
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And so certain vibrations
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and certain frequencies will help restore that.
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And everybody's had the experience
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of being around some kind of music or
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sound that is disturbing and upsetting.
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It could be somebody being stuck with
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a jackhammer on a street in a construction project.
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Or someone with their car windows down and big,
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big amplification system that's making
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your car vibrate, and
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you're not really wanting to hear that music right now.
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That is an example.
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So once the music starts,
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there's just a return to
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one's resonant state as a result of hearing the sound.
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That's the best way I can say it for the moment.
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[Kara] Well, no, that's great.
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I want to ask you more.
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Are you always guided by your internal vibe?
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[Larry] Yeah. Yeah, intuition or there's an old
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there's an old there's an old let's see,
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Frank Fools Crow, Lakota medicine person,
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um talked about becoming
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a hollow bone so
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that the spirit can move
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through you so that you don't have
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entanglements, ego or things like that on
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the inside that taint
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or twist or distort what's coming through.
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So it's not to say that everybody can be a hollow bone
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and certainly is I'm not saying that I am a hollow bone,
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but that's a strive
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for to make what comes through me as clean as possible.
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You know, I'm not a big deal.
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It comes through me, and I respect it,
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and I try to bring it forward.
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And so it's, you know,
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it's the same with medicine.
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It's not you so much doing it.
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It's coming through you. Um
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[Kara] An instrument of healing.
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[Larry] Yeah, yeah, like that.
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[Kara] Well, that's very beautiful.
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We've gotten really lucky.
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Larry's gonna play another one.
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[Larry] This is
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made from giant Sequoia.
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[Stephanie] Ooh.
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[Larry] And it was which is an endangered protected wood.
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It came from a It's over 100-years-old,
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and it came from a mansion that was
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being demolished east of Cincinnati,
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and some friends of mine went over and harvested wood.
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♪♪
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[Kara] Is there some other things you'd like to
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talk to us about in terms of your path?
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[Larry] Well, it's really an honor
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to be able to play these instruments.
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They're exquisitely beautiful.
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And, you know, I've had the opportunity to
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play for all kinds, from kindergarteners to,
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you know, people in their 90s and beyond.
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And to have that music be so well
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received and so appreciated, and for
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them to talk about the way that it
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benefits them, that's satisfying.
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And it lets me know that when I'm playing that way,
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I'm being a hollow bone best I'm able to.
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The Native American flute
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almost disappeared back in the day.
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Only old men with
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the Indian wars and genocide and everything
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else going on, a lot of the old men
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got old and died, and only men played the Siyotanka.
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So the flute almost went into extinction.
24:04
And in the early 1900s,
24:08
there was a beginning of a resurgence.
24:11
And Dr. Richard Payne,
24:15
he became fascinated with
24:17
a native flute. He was a physician.
24:19
And so he started collecting flutes and talking
24:22
to old men that knew how to
24:24
make flutes and taught him how to make them,
24:26
and he started teaching other people
24:27
how to make them. And so,
24:29
by 1960, there was
24:32
a resurgence of the Native American flute.
24:35
So they came back,
24:38
but they were almost gone.
24:40
And I did want to say that,
24:43
you know, when the old men died that had flutes,
24:46
the flutes were buried with them and
24:48
their possessions were burned or burned,
24:50
and then, you know, whatever
24:52
was left was buried with them.
24:54
So I'm happy to say
24:56
that some of the best flute players in the world now,
24:59
Native American flute players are women.
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And when we were in Europe last summer,
25:05
I had the great privilege to play with Lisa Bette Leroy,
25:10
who's a prominent native flute player
25:12
living in the Netherlands.
25:14
And so we got to spend
25:15
the day with she and her husband at
25:16
their home and play music and eat good food.
25:20
[Kara] Now, how did women how do you
25:21
feel like women got into the flute
25:24
[Larry] Well.
25:25
[Kara] Arena?
25:26
[Larry] They they had to, like
25:29
everything else women have to do, you know?
25:31
They got to stand up and be strong, you know,
25:34
and push back push past all the pushback that they
25:37
get for just being normal and creative and beautiful.
25:43
[Kara] Okay. Well, would you
25:47
can I be so bold as to ask you to
25:49
play something else?
25:50
[Larry] Sure Sure. Which one would you like?
25:52
[Kara] Oh.
25:52
[Larry] So we've got I've got one in African mahogany,
25:59
one in Spanish cedar.
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[Kara] Very difficult choice.
26:04
[Larry] Got the.
26:05
the giant Sequoia.
26:11
[Kara] Um, how about the Spanish one?
26:16
[Larry] Sure. This is this is this is a B minor flute.
26:21
It's made by high spirits.
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They're based in Patagonia, Arizona.
26:29
And it's a deep instrument,
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so it's it's really mellow.
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♪♪
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Spanish Cedar.
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[Kara] Thank you so much.
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[Larry] You're welcome.
28:08
[Kara] So, Larry,
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where can people find you and your music?
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[Larry] Well, I have a small collection of music on
28:15
my website, larrygindhartmusic.com.
28:19
I have a large collection on YouTube,
28:23
YouTube and search Larry Gindhart
28:26
and my channel will come up.
28:28
I have a nice collection of music on bandcamp.com,
28:34
and all of those all of that music
28:38
is in high-quality WAV files.
28:43
I've got some music videos at vimeo.com, as well.
28:48
[Kara] Wonderful. Well, thank you so much.
28:50
It has been quite a pleasure
28:52
to spend time with you and talk.
28:54
[Larry] Back at ya. Thank you.
28:55
[Kara] Thanks.
28:56
[Larry] It's a pleasure to be here.
28:57
[Stephanie] We heard from Larry Ginthart in Season 1, Episode18.
29:01
[Jen] The local band,
29:09
White Lies & The Half Truth
29:11
are working on their sophomore album.
29:13
The band leaders spoke to our co-host, Michelle Kinsey,
29:16
just after they released their first album in 2025.
29:19
[White Lies & The Half Truth] ♪♪ Wait 'till midnight.
29:22
Almost every night
29:25
to take a scroll down my memories page.
29:29
It don't sit right.
29:32
'Cause it ain't alright.
29:34
Pre-packaged read at me.
29:39
Hey. Digitize my life.
29:43
Synthesize my mind.
29:47
Monetize my rights.
29:52
I leave it all. I leave it all online. ♪♪
30:00
[Michelle] White Lies and the Half Truth
30:04
is a new band in the Muncie area.
30:07
And here to tell us all about it
30:08
is Jason Cooper and Jarrod Case.
30:10
Thank you so much for
30:12
joining us in the Papa Culture studios.
30:14
[Jason Cooper] Thanks for having us.
30:15
[Jarrod Case] Yeah, thanks for having us. Happy to be here.
30:16
[Michelle] Well, Jared, let's start with you.
30:18
Tell us a little bit about the band.
30:21
How did it get started?
30:22
[Jarrod Case] Sure.
30:23
[Michelle] That kind of thing.
30:23
[Jarrod] Sure. So Jason and I have been
30:26
music collaborators since we
30:27
were like 13- or 14-years-old.
30:30
And, you know, as we've gotten
30:31
older and families and life.
30:32
[Michelle] Yeah.
30:32
[Jarrod] And so, about a year or so ago,
30:35
we got to kicking around
30:36
the idea of doing a project together.
30:37
So he and I started writing this album,
30:39
really recording all the instrumentation
30:40
ourselves, too, just the two of us.
30:42
[Michelle] Really?
30:43
[Jarrod] Yeah. As we kind of delve into that,
30:47
it became more of a daunting task
30:49
with just two people and
30:50
all the musicians that we know and I have had
30:52
the experience of playing with over the years.
30:54
I was like, "Why are we doing this?" We have horn players.
30:56
We know people that'll come in and do this.
30:59
And then, you know,
31:00
that spawned into more and more and more people.
31:01
I said, we're a ten-piece group now.
31:03
[Michelle] Wow.
31:03
[Jarrod] And so we're one album in
31:06
now with maybe at least two more.
31:09
[Michelle] Oh, my goodness.
31:10
[Jarrod] That it's already written.
31:12
[Michelle] Oh wow.
31:12
[Jarrod] And partially recorded.
31:14
So we have some more stuff coming out, as well.
31:16
So that's kind of the genesis of it.
31:18
It was really just two longtime
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music collaborator friends.
31:22
We have the time to do it now.
31:23
[Jason] Jarrod just kind of poking me, "Hey,
31:25
why don't we, why don't we get going on something?"
31:27
And it just started out from
31:29
just texting some stuff back and forth to.
31:32
Then it just kind of exploded into what it's been now,
31:35
and I've not been able to stop working on it since.
31:38
[Michelle] That's amazing. And life happens, right?
31:41
So what was it about now that Jarrod,
31:44
you thought, I really need to do this.
31:46
I need to get back into this.
31:47
[Jarrod] It's a couple of different things.
31:50
I never quit playing music.
31:51
It wasn't a finite, like, I'm done today.
31:53
[Michelle] Mm hmm.
31:53
[Jarrod] But, you said, life, having kids, family, career.
31:57
I always still wrote, still played at home.
31:59
[Michelle] Yeah.
31:59
[Jarrod] My kids are over it.
32:01
They've heard me play at home forever.
32:03
Like, they're completely over it.
32:05
But the're at an age now, both of my kids are teenagers.
32:07
My daughter's go to graduate
32:08
from high school and go to college.
32:09
So the time, uh,
32:12
is the big factor there.
32:13
[Michelle] Yeah.
32:14
[Jarrod] And then
32:15
kind of just reconnecting with some of
32:17
the guys that I still, you know,
32:18
except with text and stuff, but making
32:20
time for one another
32:22
and they're having the time to hang out,
32:24
and you get that many creative people together.
32:26
You know, it's bound to spark something.
32:29
[Michelle] Yeah.
32:29
[Jarrod] And so I mean,
32:30
really the only genesis from it was was just time.
32:34
As far as the album itself,
32:35
I'm an avid vinyl collector.
32:38
[Michelle] Mm hmm.
32:38
[Jarrod] And I've never put anything out on vinyl.
32:42
And I said, we talked a little bit off mic here,
32:44
put out CDs over the years in
32:45
different bands, but never had done vinyl.
32:47
So that's kind of where this even started for us.
32:49
Like, wouldn't it be cool just to have
32:51
a record with us on it?
32:52
Like, just to have for my collection.
32:54
[Michelle] Yeah.
32:54
[Jarrod] And so that
32:55
really was the.
32:56
[Jason] Yeah, that was the genesis.
32:57
[Michelle] Oh, wow.
32:58
[Jason] We just wanted We wanted to create a good album.
33:01
That's really all we were concerned with when we started.
33:03
And it's kind of turned from that into just,
33:06
you know, in my opinion,
33:07
the best band I've ever been in.
33:08
[Jarrod] Same, I agree with you.
33:09
[Michelle] It does sound amazing.
33:13
[White Lies & The Half Truth] ♪♪ I wasn't leaving the party.
33:17
Man, it was long overdue.
33:21
Feels like life is just starting.
33:25
Now that I have found you.
33:28
and with your love you got to me.
33:31
I long to be holding you so tight. Yeah. ♪♪
33:36
[Michelle] Did you know going into this project when
33:39
you started collaborating and writing again and thinking,
33:41
"Yeah, let's do this project,"
33:43
did you have that sound in mind?
33:46
I mean, it is a big, full,
33:48
very soulful rock sound.
33:51
[Jarrod] Yes and-.
33:51
[Michelle] Did you know that?
33:52
[Jarrod] Yes and no. Yeah. I mean, I won't go like,
33:54
super into influence stuff,
33:55
but I'm a huge Steely Dan fan. Jason is, as well.
33:59
Not just the music, the production side of it.
34:02
So we definitely approached it.
34:03
Like, it's silly to say,
34:05
like, "Hey, we want to make our Asia."
34:06
Like, we would make the production quality.
34:09
[Michelle] Yeah.
34:09
[Jarrod] And we recorded all of ourselves,
34:11
as well, which I think is worth mentioning.
34:12
So it's 100% produced by us.
34:14
So that was kind of the other side of it.
34:16
Hey, you want to make
34:16
a really good quality sounding album.
34:19
[Michelle] Yeah.
34:19
[Jarrod] Um and then, like I said, he and I
34:22
are the primary songwriters.
34:24
But we definitely have a
34:26
collaborative spirit with our bandmates,
34:28
as well. "Hey, why don't we try this?"
34:30
And so, you know, you have ten people.
34:32
And so there's a lot of
34:34
eclectic stuff moving through about it.
34:36
I would say we set out to make
34:37
a soul R&B record originally.
34:40
It's kind of transformed into
34:41
maybe a little bit something more than that.
34:43
Maybe more Chicago, the band in Chicago.
34:45
Kind of Blood, Sweat, & Tears.
34:47
[Michelle] Absolutely.
34:48
[Jarrod] Rock-based with the soul and blues.
34:50
[Michelle] Mm hmm.
34:51
[Jarrod] That was the intention.
34:52
[Jason] Yeah, it's kind of the songs just
34:53
kind of decided for themselves.
34:55
And that's I think having ten people
34:58
also kind of speaks to how
34:59
important this is to us, 'cause,
35:01
I mean, keeping a band with
35:02
four guys together for even a year,
35:04
playing once a week is next to impossible.
35:06
And then you know, the fact that we've pulled this
35:09
off just even as far as we've gotten now is amazing.
35:12
And I think we still have a lot of
35:13
potential to go further with it.
35:15
[Michelle] Yeah.
35:15
[Jason] I think this next record,
35:17
you know, we get everything done with it.
35:19
I think I might even be more
35:20
happy with it than the first one.
35:21
[Michelle] Wow. Yeah. Speaking of the sound,
35:23
let's talk a little bit about the album,
35:25
"The Ghosts We Carry," uh
35:28
Talk about "The Ghosts We Carry."
35:30
Why the title of why that title?
35:33
And what does it mean to you as
35:35
you were putting it together? Did that come first?
35:36
Did it come?
35:37
[Jarrod] No.
35:37
[Michelle] After you laid it all out?
35:39
[Jarrod] The title came afterwards. Um,
35:42
again, like I kind of mentioned
35:43
before, as we started recording,
35:46
we've already recorded several songs
35:48
in what will possibly be the second and third album.
35:50
These are the songs that we thought best fit together
35:52
for this one and kind of listening to it and,
35:56
you know, going through the lyrics of it.
35:59
It's multifaceted, as far as
36:01
"The Ghosts We Carry," where it came from.
36:04
I'm 44-year-old man.
36:06
I haven't played live, I haven't
36:07
done all this stuff for years.
36:09
The version of me that people know that
36:11
played music 20 years ago.
36:12
[Michelle] Yeah.
36:13
[Jarrod] The physical version of that's gone. But I still carry it.
36:17
I still carry that.
36:18
[Michelle] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:19
[Jarrod] And whether that be, you know, love lost.
36:21
[Michelle] Yes.
36:22
[Jarrod] In some of the songs.
36:24
[Michelle] I felt that.
36:24
I felt that in listening to the album, yeah.
36:26
[Jarrod] Or mourning of death, whatever.
36:29
You know, you're talking about
36:30
more serious subject matter.
36:31
Those are pieces that you carry with you forever.
36:35
So, I mean, I hate to
36:37
I hate describing art or explaining art.
36:39
So take the title what you will.
36:42
But that's where it came with for me.
36:43
[Michelle] Yeah.
36:43
[Jarrod] As the versions of
36:46
yourself and the ghosts that you carry
36:47
throughout your entire life.
36:49
[Michelle] Absolutely. Absolutely. What What
36:53
about White Lies & The Half Truth?
36:54
How did that name come about?
36:57
[Jason] Oh, that was just I
36:59
think that was mostly Jarrod, I believe.
37:01
[Jarrod] And I don't know. I wish I wish I
37:03
had I wish I had a good answer for you.
37:05
We didn't want to be Jarrod Case & The Something.
37:08
[Michelle] Somethings, yeah.
37:09
[Jarrod] Yeah, we didn't want to be that.
37:10
I've always wanted to be in a band with a color
37:13
in the name because I just think it's cool.
37:15
[Michelle] Mmm.
37:15
[Jarrod] Like, your Pink Floyd's. You know, whatever.
37:19
So I always thought that was cool.
37:20
And so I was kicking around ideas.
37:22
And actually came up with The Half Truth first.
37:25
And I was kind of maybe calling that the horn section.
37:28
I was calling them The Half Truth.
37:29
An. And then I don't know where White Lies came from.
37:32
It just It's one of those things you just came.
37:34
I don't have a real good explanation for it.
37:36
[Michelle] Yeah. Well, I know you now have
37:38
a full album and you're playing out.
37:40
Where can people get more information and kind of
37:43
follow you and figure out where
37:44
you're playing and what you're doing next?
37:46
[Jason] You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music.
37:50
Our Facebook page is just White Lies & The Half Truth.
37:54
If you just Google, that,
37:55
that should bring up most things.
37:56
[Jarrod] Same thing for Instagram. All of
37:58
our social media is White & The Half Truth,
38:00
on all streaming platforms.
38:02
Not a huge digital presence online,
38:04
but our albums are available on there,
38:06
on YouTube, all that stuff.
38:07
We post pretty regularly on social media as far
38:10
as pictures and video and little stuff like that.
38:13
Live wise, we're kind of
38:15
keeping it to a minimum as
38:17
far as what we're going to play live.
38:18
So there may be two to three shows
38:20
for the rest of this calendar year.
38:22
[Michelle] Yeah, so make sure you're paying attention.
38:24
Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah.
38:25
I'm a big proponent and not
38:27
overwhelming a market with playing too much.
38:29
[Michelle] Mm hmm.
38:29
[Jason] Or overwhelming a stage because
38:31
there's not a whole lot of venues in
38:32
Muncie that can actually hold ten people.
38:34
[Michelle] There are ten. Did we mentioned there
38:35
are ten members of this band?
38:37
[Jarrod] A little bit more moving parts, as far as that goes.
38:40
So we do have a couple shows coming up here throughout
38:44
the year and maybe
38:46
one more to come before the end of the year.
38:47
So yeah, our social media has all that information.
38:50
[Michelle] Awesome. Look forward to seeing you out live.
38:52
Thank you so much, Jarrod and Jason,
38:54
for coming into the Pop of Culture studios.
38:56
Looking forward to seeing
38:58
what's next.
38:58
[Jarrod] Thank you. Happy to be here.
39:00
Appreciate it.
39:00
[Jason] Yeah. Thanks very much.
39:02
[White Lies & The Half Truth] ♪♪ You know they all seem the same.
39:04
I could be miles away,
39:11
and you will always be home.
39:16
You will always be home. ♪♪
39:31
[Jen] We heard
39:33
from local band White Lies &
39:35
The Half Truth in Season 2, Episode 26.
39:38
[Stephanie] The lead single from their new album is
39:40
called "Lord Have Mercy," and It's out now.
39:42
[Jen] They'll also be performing at
39:43
Fire Up DWNTWN in Muncie on August 1.
39:47
This is Pop of Culture.
39:50
I'm Jen Blackmer, and I'm starstruck.
39:53
[Stephanie] Well, that's because I'm Stephanie Weichmann,
39:54
longtime listener, first time host of this show.
39:58
This is the part of the show where we
39:59
ask an artist, "What Are You Working On?"
40:01
For this music focused episode,
40:03
we're listening back to lifelong musician
40:05
Cara Jean Wahlers.
40:06
[Kara] Uh, Cara Jean is a multi talented artist, visual artist,
40:12
a songwriter, and singer,
40:14
and also makes amazing vintage guitar straps.
40:19
Thank you so much for being here today.
40:21
[Cara] Thanks for having me.
40:22
[Kara] Of course.
40:23
Can you talk a little bit
40:25
about how your artist journey began?
40:28
[Cara] Um, my parents really made me be a musician
40:33
because we've had just people
40:35
have played piano and organ in the church and,
40:38
you know, my dad played piano.
40:41
So my grandparents got a piano,
40:43
and I had to play it,
40:45
and I started playing like youth symphonies
40:48
and, like, school orchestras.
40:51
And during this time,
40:53
my mom always took me to art classes.
40:56
So to be well rounded and that just really stuck.
40:59
So I've always been really the only thing I've
41:01
ever done is art and music. So
41:04
It's been a long time.
41:06
[Kara] Well, what
41:08
inspires you now to you began because it was,
41:13
like, expected with music and visual arts.
41:16
And then what kept you going with it?
41:18
[Cara] Oh, it's just a lifelong love affair.
41:20
You know. It's the only thing
41:23
that it's the only thing I can do.
41:25
Like, I don't even I
41:27
don't know who I would be without that.
41:29
It's just it's what I do.
41:30
It's like breathing, you know. So.
41:32
[Kara] Well, so what's some of the things that
41:34
inspire your artwork, your songs or
41:38
visual work.
41:39
[Cara] Nature a lot, my environment.
41:44
My studio right now is on a small farm,
41:47
and so a lot of times I have my door open,
41:50
and there's, like, a breeze that comes through.
41:52
I have a garden, you know,
41:54
just kind of things like that.
41:56
Really what a lot of my work is about is stillness.
42:00
And so I think being in that environment
42:03
where I can be still and I can empty my mind,
42:06
and there's just sort of this
42:08
I mean, the idea of, like,
42:10
the muse is really just longer than time.
42:13
So, I feel like the muse comes with the wind and sort of,
42:18
you know, inspires me to find these, like,
42:21
slivers of moments and these still frames that kind
42:25
of makes up what I
42:27
do both for my songwriting and visual art.
42:30
[Kara] Well, can you talk a little bit
42:32
about maybe one of your pieces?
42:35
Cara Jean's brought in
42:36
some beautiful work that she's done.
42:38
Oh, you're welcome. Some lovely inking.
42:42
And you talk about stillness and
42:45
slivers of moments, and I don't know.
42:49
There's a movement that I
42:51
feel within this as I look at them.
42:53
[Cara] Well, I brought a couple of examples of my work.
42:57
This is really where my heart is lately.
42:59
I've been doing these really
43:01
quiet black and white ink drawings.
43:04
They're three by three. So they're
43:06
kind of inspired by, you know,
43:08
if your grandparents have
43:09
a photo album or your great grandparents,
43:11
like those family photos,
43:13
and they're three by three, black and white,
43:15
and they're just sort of these still moments.
43:18
Like, it was before digital stuff.
43:20
So a lot of times it
43:22
was something that they didn't intend to capture,
43:26
but there's a real beauty to it.
43:28
So that's kind of inspired this.
43:30
And a friend
43:31
um, in January, this past January,
43:34
he said, "If you could be doing any work
43:36
that you want, what would you do?"
43:37
And I said, "Well, I think I would do this."
43:39
And then I just started doing it,
43:41
like, "Oh, I'm able to do that."
43:42
So one of the things I brought is it's about memory,
43:46
and, like, you wouldn't say,
43:49
"remember we had the party?"
43:52
You would say, "Oh, yeah, I remember
43:54
we had the party. No, you would say.
43:55
Remember when she came to the party,
43:58
and she brought her dog,
43:59
and it was so good to see her."
44:00
And her dog was so funny.
44:02
It was so spirited. And my dog's really spirited, too.
44:05
So I was really glad to see that,
44:06
someone else had a spirited dog.
44:08
And remember, the dog is really pulling.
44:11
So I made these there're four drawings altogether,
44:14
and the first one is my friend is drinking a beer,
44:18
and the second one is
44:20
she's standing there with a beer in her hand,
44:23
and the dog is just starting to walk.
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And the third one is she's trying to balance
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the beer while the dog is
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pulling and she's pulling back on
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and then the fourth one is when
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she's smiling and she has her eyes closed,
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like, "Oh, he's such a funny dog."
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So each one of those is just, like,
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a sliver in time, and it's like,
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each memory that we have,
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it isn't just, like, one thing,
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but it's made up of, like, just still images.
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Like, Like life is like a film.
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It's like, all still images, so.
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[Kara] I love the way they're connected, too.
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[Cara] Yeah.
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[Kara] So how does these concepts you're talking about?
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How does it translate in what you songwrite songwriting?
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[Cara] There's a lot of I'm a storyteller.
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I mean, I think I'm more of
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a storyteller than a visual artist or a musician,
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and there's just so much intersectionality
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between my visual art and music.
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And a lot of my music is about
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the one moment that something happens.
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Like, there's a story for sure,
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but there's the moment that, you know, there's, like,
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a moment of heartbreak or there's
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a moment of realization or something.
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Like, I have a song called "Black Dog,"
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which is a song about this boy
45:38
in music school who introduced me to Led Zeppelin.
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And so part of the song
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is we go up on the roof to listen to Led Zeppelin.
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And there was, like, this moment.
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I'm trying to think about it without singing it,
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but there's a moment.
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I'm trying to think of it. It goes, um,
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♪♪ I remember being young and
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foolish like this summer used to fall. ♪♪
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So that's, like, one memory.
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♪♪ And I climbed up on the roof right
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next to Steven, ♪♪ climbed up on the roof.
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♪♪ And that black black dog,
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we laughed our bellies full of wine all night.
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And he said my name out loud, eight or nine times. ♪
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He had a really thick accent.
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♪♪ And I fell in love with Steven and that black, black dog. ♪♪
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So that was the moment I realized I loved him, you know,
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so that's very much
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like these visual drawings that they're just,
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like, a still snapshot. So
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[Kara] Wow. And what was his accent?
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Just I'm curious.
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[Cara] Oh, East Coast.
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[Kara] East Coast.
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[Cara] Yeah. It was sweet 'cause my name's Cara,
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so I can't do it,
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but it was it was a good it was a good way to say.
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[Kara] Nice. Now, is there anything
46:51
else you'd like to talk about in terms of your art?
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[Cara] I guess one thing is this last year,
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I guess it was a year and a half ago.
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I was really, really fortunate to be invited
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into this it's called the Red Barn Arts Collective.
47:07
It's a studio that these women,
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these realtors, Deb Kent and Jamie Willis,
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bought this piece of land,
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this hobby farm that used to be a livestock barn,
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and they turned it into artist studios.
47:23
So there's seven of us in there.
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And we work independently.
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But there's, like, there's
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a real community that's happened.
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And I just, you know, I was talking before about,
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like, this breeze going through my door.
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I feel like it goes through the barn,
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and we just kind of, like, play off of each other.
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So maybe that's, like, a little bit of the muse, too.
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But anyway, that's a big inspiration for me, but.
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[Kara] I like that idea
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that you brought up the muse as a breeze.
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[Cara] Yeah, that's kind of what it feels like.
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[Kara] Great. Well, is there any place we can see your artwork,
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your visual artwork as well?
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[Cara] Yeah, if you go to Instagram,
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it's Cara Jean Wahlers Art,
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and then Cara Jean Wahlers Music.
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It's pretty easy to find.
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[Kara] That's pretty straightforward.
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[Cara] Yeah.
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[Kara] Well, Cara Jean it has been
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a delight to speak with you today.
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[Cara] Thank you so much.
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Thanks for having me.
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[Jen] Our Arts calendar
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will return in our next episode.
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Although we should mention that you
48:24
can check out IPR's calendar
48:26
collaboration with multiple local organizations
48:29
at indianapublicradio.org.
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[Stephanie] Right now, we're going to hear a bonus song from
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last week's Behind the Song artist, Spencer.
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[Spencer] Hello.
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My name is Spencer. Um, this first song
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that I was just doing
48:42
a couple seconds ago but just singing,
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da da da to, this is a song I wrote about five years ago,
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called "The Real World's Game" about
48:49
not knowing what I want to do with my life.
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And I still don't know what I want to do with my life,
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but I'm here singing, so that's at least something.
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So yeah, this is called "The Real World's Game."
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♪♪ I don't know who I am or
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who I'm gonna be.
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I am just a kid with a lotta pressure
49:26
from society. Got a storm spin around in my head.
49:33
It's my turn, oh. It's my future in ten for me now.
49:40
But I need to find it real
49:43
fast before the time starts to pass.
49:46
Pass on. What you want to do,
49:52
girl, you want to go?
49:53
What you want to be, girl, what's your future hold?
49:56
Time is slipping away,
50:01
got to pick a path, girl.
50:02
Got to pick a bride.
50:03
It and loose, go you pick your own fight?
50:06
It's the real world's game.
50:10
It's the real world's game.
50:15
If I don't choose the papers,
50:27
we'll say blame it on a mother.
50:33
So I just guess I'll have to roll the dice.
50:38
But the numbers are never in my favor.
50:43
What you want to do, girl, where you want to go?
50:46
What you want to be, girl.
50:48
What you feature hold?
50:49
Time is slipping away.
50:54
Gotta pick a path girl.
50:55
Gotta pcik a bride it's win loose go pick your fight.
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It's the real world's game.
51:02
It's the real world's game.
51:16
Got a song spin around in my head.
51:21
What does my future entail?
51:27
But I need to find it
51:29
fast before the time starts to pass.
51:33
Pass on. What you want to do,
51:38
girl, you want to go?
51:40
What you want to be girl?
51:41
What's you future hold?
51:43
Time is slipping away.
51:46
Hey. Got to pick it fast, girl.
51:49
Got to pick a ride. It's a win-loose gotta pick your own fight.
51:53
It's the real world's game.
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He Hey.
51:58
What you want to do, girl.
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Where you want to go, what you want to be.
52:02
Girl what's your future hold?
52:04
Time is slipping away. Hey.
52:08
Got to make a path girl.
52:10
Gotta pick a bride. It's a win or lose.
52:12
Gotta you pick your fight?
52:14
It's the real world's game. It's the real
52:21
world's game.
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[Stephanie] That was Spencer recorded live at
52:29
the songwriters sessions in February.
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Jen, want to do the honors?
52:32
[Jen] Roll the credits!
52:35
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52:39
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52:42
[Stephanie] And that's our show. Our art director is Tracy Louck.
52:46
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52:48
who is doing the show
52:50
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52:52
[Stephanie] We had production assistance from Andrew Montavon.
52:55
[Jen] Our show was hosted by me,
52:57
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52:58
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52:59
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53:01
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53:04
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53:06
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53:07
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53:09
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53:11
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53:14
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53:16
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53:21
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54:22
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54:23
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54:25
That talented team that I
54:27
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54:29
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