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Basketball Wives: OG shares her truth · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: That's why I kept having to remind them. I'm in
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  Speaker 1: a room full of afters. All of you guys chose,
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason to do some type of plastic surgery
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  Speaker 1: or maintenance on your face, your body, your butt, your titties, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget your before body.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Og from Basketball Wives
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  Speaker 3: right after these quick ads. Hey rain drops so on
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  Speaker 3: today's Reality with the King episode, I have the one,
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  Speaker 3: the only Og from season eight of Basketball Wives. Baby,
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  Speaker 3: we get into a lot of stuff. Of course, we
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  Speaker 3: get into the conversations of colorism and how Og felt
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  Speaker 3: that was a big issue that she faced being on
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  Speaker 3: the show. We get in to her an evolence drama
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  Speaker 3: in addition to her relationships with Shawnee, Tammy Roman, and
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  Speaker 3: even one of the producers who allegedly did some very
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  Speaker 3: shady things to her. This was a very deep, insightful,
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  Speaker 3: informational and educational conversation with Og, and I cannot wait
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  Speaker 3: until y'all hear it without further ado, here is Og. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Og is so nice to finally meet you. It's funny
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  Speaker 3: because I'm a huge Basketball Wise fan. I love the
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  Speaker 3: show since the inception many many, many, many many many
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  Speaker 3: years ago, Darling, and when you came on, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they found a good one, because when I look at
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  Speaker 3: reality stars, I look at somebody who is authentically themselves
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  Speaker 3: and who does give to the show what they would
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  Speaker 3: give in their everyday life. And I felt like, job
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  Speaker 3: well done casting Og. And I even tweeted that I
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  Speaker 3: loved me some Og, and the reality fans was like,
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  Speaker 3: Carlos King, create a show for Og. We love her too.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, so we all love Og.
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  Speaker 3: How did it feel in the beginning of this process?
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  Speaker 3: And we'll go down into, of course, what happened. But
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  Speaker 3: in the beginning, Og, you were one of the fan
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  Speaker 3: favorites on Basketball Wives.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to where you're no longer on the show?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? So I think that for me, as a public figure,
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  Speaker 1: it's imperative that certain things are told from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of rumors were sparked from my first season,
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  Speaker 1: Oh OG's not returning, she's fired again. My second season,
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  Speaker 1: OG's not returning, She's fired. I will say this. When
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  Speaker 1: I initially signed my contract, I signed on for five years, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I was locked in for those five years, and
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  Speaker 1: I was ready, willing and able to work those five
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  Speaker 1: years and then move on to my next step. Come
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  Speaker 1: my third year, it was apparent that they did not
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  Speaker 1: really want me to be the best version of myself.
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  Speaker 1: They were purposely editing it to make me look like
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  Speaker 1: a nightmare, which was not true, which ultimately caused a
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  Speaker 1: lot of behind the scene issues because I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's imperative that when you're having problems at work you
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  Speaker 1: talk to your employers right away, which I did. You
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  Speaker 1: don't wait till they terminate you. And so as things
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  Speaker 1: were arising, I was telling them, I'm having issues with this.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are doing this. We need to fix this
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  Speaker 1: so that this can be a work environment that is productive.
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  Speaker 1: And ultimately they chose to fire me because I refused. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I refuse to lie. I refuse to do anything that
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  Speaker 1: was not morally okay with myself, and I stood my
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  Speaker 1: ground and because of that, I was terminated on my
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  Speaker 1: third year of my contract. Now, mind you, when I
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  Speaker 1: signed my third year contract, we do so, we had
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  Speaker 1: a revision. I got a pay increase, and as one
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  Speaker 1: of those stipulations, they pretty much said we need to
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  Speaker 1: add two more years and I was like, no, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to do my five years and just move on,
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  Speaker 1: because you guys clearly don't like me. You clearly are
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  Speaker 1: not treating me respectable, you know, in my eyes, and
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  Speaker 1: I think the audience noticed that as well, and they
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  Speaker 1: were like, no, in order to get your pay increase,
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  Speaker 1: you need to add on two years. So they gave
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  Speaker 1: me seven years in total, and then ultimately fired me,
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  Speaker 1: not allowing me to complete my contract. And I have
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  Speaker 1: to get that out there because I'm not a quitter.
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  Speaker 1: Like listen, I don't care how hard it gets. I
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  Speaker 1: don't quit. I thug it out.
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  Speaker 3: So when you said, okay, so let's back up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, and it's good you're talking to me because
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  Speaker 3: you know I understand the industry obviously. You know I
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  Speaker 3: have a production company. We create shows, we cash shows,
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  Speaker 3: and we have deals with networks. So for my listeners,
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  Speaker 3: I want to break it down for them og really quickly,
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  Speaker 3: but obviously stop me if I say anything inaccurate. So
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  Speaker 3: you signed on to do Basketball Wives. They had a
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  Speaker 3: five year option on you. When you signed up for
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  Speaker 3: the first year. You did first year and we loved you.
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  Speaker 3: I loved you, the fans loved you, but we also
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  Speaker 3: knew obviously you had a very tough.
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  Speaker 2: Season, and we'll get into that too. But you signed down.
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  Speaker 3: To do a second season, and then what happened your
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  Speaker 3: third season of wanting to do the show where you said.
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  Speaker 2: That you were fired.
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  Speaker 3: Did they fire you because you didn't sign the contract
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  Speaker 3: to have the additional two years? Did they fire you
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  Speaker 3: because are you alleging that they wanted you to say
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  Speaker 3: something that you weren't comfortable with?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 3: What what do you think allegedly was the reason behind
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  Speaker 3: you being let go?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so, first year, like you said, was rough. I
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  Speaker 1: got very horrible at its. They kind of tried to
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  Speaker 1: like cut me out of the scenes and what have you. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: no problem. Second season, every time you saw with you,
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  Speaker 1: as you know Carlos being a producer, we have wins,
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  Speaker 1: like when you're going against your cast nets, Like certain
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  Speaker 1: cast mets will get w's in certain castmates will take
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  Speaker 1: losses in these combats when you're verbally going at each other. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I clearly was having multiple wins against the collectives,
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  Speaker 1: and I had no idea that they were setting me
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  Speaker 1: up every time and failing miserably every single time, and
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  Speaker 1: that was making them uncomfortable. We were shaking the table
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  Speaker 1: too much, myself, my man, my team people who were
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  Speaker 1: team OG were like, dang, they keep putt her in
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  Speaker 1: these situations. They keep calling her ugly, they keep calling
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  Speaker 1: her this, that monkey gorilla, and yet she still keeps
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  Speaker 1: coming back with facts, facts, facts. I mean, you're searching
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  Speaker 1: to try to see if my real Louiston is fake facts.
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  Speaker 1: Here are my receipts. And they didn't like that, so
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  Speaker 1: they could not get the wins for their favorites like
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to. A big issue on our show is
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  Speaker 1: that we have an executive producer who is also a
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  Speaker 1: cast member, So anyone who kisses her ass is going
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  Speaker 1: to get access to information they should not have access to.
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  Speaker 1: They should not have access to my contract, They should
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  Speaker 1: not have access to how much I'm getting paid. They
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  Speaker 1: should not have access to what's happening in my separate
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  Speaker 1: scenes when they're not present, but they did. However, I
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  Speaker 1: did not have access to any of this information. So
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  Speaker 1: when you see me reacting to everything that was done
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  Speaker 1: to me, I was literally caught off guard. Every single
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  Speaker 1: time nobody helped me. Producers didn't take me to get
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  Speaker 1: a print in Costa Rica. I didn't get to go
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  Speaker 1: print up receipts. You see me say, let me go
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  Speaker 1: get my phone. That's because I was told by production,
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  Speaker 1: leave your phone in the car. So I left my
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  Speaker 1: phone in the car. You know, we all did, except Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: Jackie had all two of her phones on her and
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  Speaker 1: she was recording on her little and I left my
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  Speaker 1: phone in the car. So when this person was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh oh my ex did okay cool, let me go
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  Speaker 1: get my receipt and they didn't like that. So ultimately
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  Speaker 1: what happened was I got sued. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you guys remember I received a lawsuit from my coworker
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  Speaker 1: and she sued me because she was making nasty, racist
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  Speaker 1: statements and I called her out on it, and then
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  Speaker 1: I got sued, and then I got a restraining order
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  Speaker 1: that they tried to have issue against me that was
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  Speaker 1: ultimately dismissed. So that's what started the catalyst of an
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  Speaker 1: even more toxic environment. This person sued me to I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if she was trying to not have to
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  Speaker 1: film with me or trying to stop my money flow
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  Speaker 1: by cutting me out of certain scenes if she's present,
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  Speaker 1: but she did not succeed because we are still in
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  Speaker 1: court as of today.
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  Speaker 2: As of today, girl, that lossuit was still happening.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Sis.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't been settled because what happened was is she
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  Speaker 1: sued me October of twenty nineteen. COVID happened all of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty and beginning of twenty twenty one, courts were closed.
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  Speaker 1: When we finally had our first court date where we
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  Speaker 1: had to appear via zoom, that person didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: a pair via zoom because she alleged she feared for
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  Speaker 1: her life, so the judge was not having it. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people were like, what is going on? So
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  Speaker 1: we had it continuous. For those who don't know, a
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  Speaker 1: continuous is when you push like trial dates now come
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  Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two. Our trial date was set for
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  Speaker 1: this December. This person, Lozata, has literally changed attorneys three times.
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  Speaker 1: She had her first attorney who actually used to be
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  Speaker 1: Jen's divorce lawyer. I don't know what happened, but that
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  Speaker 1: relationship dissolved. Then she asked for a document to be
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  Speaker 1: able to represent herself, so then she was now her
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  Speaker 1: own attorney. That lasted for a few months and then
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  Speaker 1: that was dissolved, and she just now hired a new
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  Speaker 1: attorney and asked for the court date to be moved
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  Speaker 1: to June of twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, okay, wow, og, this is a lot. So let's
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  Speaker 3: let's unpack this a bit. So this lawsuit is still
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  Speaker 3: ongoing because obviously, you know, this person alleged that you
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  Speaker 3: made comments that she was racist, said these racist things
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  Speaker 3: about you, and allegedly she is saying that she lost
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  Speaker 3: deals because of these allegations. Is that the merit of
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  Speaker 3: the lawsuit from her point of view allegedly correct.
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  Speaker 1: So she's alleging that by me saying you're a racist
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  Speaker 1: on my Twitter, that that caused her to allegedly lose endorsements.
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  Speaker 1: And I've already done everything i was supposed to do
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  Speaker 1: on my end. I've turned in my discovery, I've turned
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  Speaker 1: in most of my evidence, and I still have more.
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  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is you have to have a
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  Speaker 1: good reputation to lose that reputation. She never had a
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  Speaker 1: good reputation. She lost endorsements because she was counting her
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  Speaker 1: pussy on national TV to millions of viewers. Me, I
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  Speaker 1: lost money, I lost endorsements. I've been out thousands and
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  Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of dollars in legal fees to have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with this mess because she couldn't just say
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  Speaker 1: take my l and move on. She thought that she
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  Speaker 1: was going to be able to insult me on National
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  Speaker 1: TV and degrade me on National TV, and she was
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  Speaker 1: very unsuccessful. In fact, she just made it all reverse
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  Speaker 1: on herself. I was not the first person to call
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  Speaker 1: her racist. Everybody has amnesia. The first person to call
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  Speaker 1: her a racist in my first season, and also her
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  Speaker 1: first season was season seven when she made those nasty,
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  Speaker 1: disgusting comments to CC. I'm not even gonna repeat them.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows what she calls CC. And that's only what
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  Speaker 1: you guys saw. That's not even what you guys saw
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. What you saw on National TV to
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  Speaker 1: multimillion viewers was her calling CC nasty racist names, and
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  Speaker 1: CC said in that moment, oh, so you're a racist.
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  Speaker 1: So I always pose the question, why didn't you sue CC?
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  Speaker 1: CC called you a racist, Not that you have any warrant.
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  Speaker 1: You have no reason you can sue her. Everybody's entitled
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  Speaker 1: to their opinion, and if you act in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: if it walks like a talks like a duck. It's
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  Speaker 1: a duck. Okay. You called her a nasty racial name,
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  Speaker 1: and she called you out on it to millions of yours.
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  Speaker 1: I called you racists on my Twitter to thousands, if
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  Speaker 1: that not millions. You see what I'm saying, So that
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  Speaker 1: in itself proves the colorism. That and itself proves the racism.
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  Speaker 1: You don't sue the Filipino girl. You sue the chocolate
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  Speaker 1: African girl because you think I'm in the wrong. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not in the wrong. I know what I saw, I
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  Speaker 1: know what I heard, and I know what I experienced,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of people they have
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  Speaker 1: fear because when these nasty things are happening to you,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to shake the table. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: to have to cause a ruckus. But honestly, this stuff happening,
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  Speaker 1: I either had to choose to do the right thing
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  Speaker 1: or to act like it didn't happen all for the bad.
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't do that. It just morally was not
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  Speaker 1: okay for me to say, Okay, they could be racist
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  Speaker 1: in the environment and I'm just gonna get my money
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  Speaker 1: and leave. No, we're gonna talk about it, and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to stop or leave. I'm not the racist one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. I like the way I look.
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  Speaker 1: I never commented on their parents because I'm not attracted
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  Speaker 1: to females like that. So what's the problem. It's not
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  Speaker 1: my issue, it's their issue, all of them.
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  Speaker 3: And do you think this lawsuit issue was the reasoning
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  Speaker 3: behind the two of you allegedly not being on the
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  Speaker 3: show anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm not on the show because I was fired.
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  Speaker 1: She's not on the show because I mean and these
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  Speaker 1: are all rumors. Of course I have my own way
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  Speaker 1: of fact checking these rumors. But I was told that
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't going to come back if they let me
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  Speaker 1: come back, right, So here we go again. We're playing
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  Speaker 1: these games. I'm not going to go to the reunion
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  Speaker 1: if you show me getting tossed in the bushes, that's
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  Speaker 1: what happened. What do you want to do? This is
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  Speaker 1: reality TV. If you took an l oh, well take
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  Speaker 1: it to the chin and move on. But she can't
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  Speaker 1: do that because an ego. You're never going to steamroll me,
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  Speaker 1: never going to get ahead of me. You're never gonna
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  Speaker 1: outsmart me. You're never going to be able to win
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  Speaker 1: a word battle with me, so all she could do
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  Speaker 1: was try to affect my money and make these empty
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  Speaker 1: threats behind scenes and say, oh, if OG's in a scene,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. That's what the restraining order was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be. It was supposed to stop me from filming.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't going to happen because she didn't get issued
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  Speaker 1: that restraining order. She was denied the restraining order for
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  Speaker 1: a reason. You know, when you start playing with the
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  Speaker 1: court system, that's very dangerous. It's very dangerous. And she's
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  Speaker 1: been successful with other people because nobody has had the
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  Speaker 1: guts to say enough is enough. This type of stuff
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  Speaker 1: is literally happening right now with our officials, with our leaders.
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  Speaker 1: Not too long ago, a Latina lady was caught on
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  Speaker 1: a recording calling a young black child a monkey and
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  Speaker 1: also saying that one of our other officials is with
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  Speaker 1: the blacks. That's the mentality. So we're not going to
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  Speaker 1: pretend like it's not happening. It's how you thug it
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  Speaker 1: out and how you address it. I think I addressed
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  Speaker 1: it the best way I could, with the best evidence
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  Speaker 1: I could do it with. And I have no regrets none.
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  Speaker 3: I never understood why you were labeled ugly look. Beauty
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  Speaker 3: is in the eye of the behold that we know that.
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  Speaker 3: But when I look at you and I mean this,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not just saying this because I'm talking to you.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're a very beautiful woman. I really do you.
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  Speaker 3: You are so smart, you have beautiful skin, you are
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  Speaker 3: a light like and you were always enjoyable to watch.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing about me producing reality television is the
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  Speaker 3: reason why I like creating shows is because I want
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  Speaker 3: to show all facets of people, especially black women.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have a show called Bill Collective, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: People were so happy that we talked about colorism on
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 2: But also one of the starts.
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  Speaker 3: Of the show is a very curvy, dark skinned black
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  Speaker 3: woman from the South, and that was a strong man
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  Speaker 3: that's just to sin. So I'm all for us breaking
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  Speaker 3: down barriers. You being on Basketball Wise always felt was
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  Speaker 3: a good look for the show because you were somebody
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  Speaker 3: who didn't look like the cast in a great way,
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  Speaker 3: and like you said earlier, you held your own. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think the issues happen with you and the ladies,
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  Speaker 3: because on that show, it appears allegedly that the new
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  Speaker 3: girls get hazed, and it's sort of like, if you're
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  Speaker 3: the OG of the show, no pun intended your a click,
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  Speaker 3: But when you're a new bat, you have to like
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  Speaker 3: earn your stripes. Do you think they allegedly picked on
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  Speaker 3: you because they were hazing you? Or do you think
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  Speaker 3: you really have to deal with you being a dark
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  Speaker 3: skinned black woman?
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  Speaker 1: To answer that question in its entirety is going to
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  Speaker 1: be difficult because that would require me to be in
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  Speaker 1: their heads to know what they were actually thinking. So
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  Speaker 1: all I can say is this, when I was around
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  Speaker 1: and certain girls were not around, we had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun. In fact, there were many times that scenes
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  Speaker 1: that were left on the cutting room floor. Where I
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  Speaker 1: shot a scene with Jackie and Shannie. Shawnee was extremely late,
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  Speaker 1: so we had to start the scene because we were
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  Speaker 1: waiting a couple of hours and they had to get going.
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  Speaker 1: So she was upset that we started the scene, but
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  Speaker 1: when she got in there, we were laughing. We were
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  Speaker 1: shooting pool. It was fun. Why didn't you guys show
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  Speaker 1: that I think that they wanted to perpetrate a narrative
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  Speaker 1: against me for their own insecurities. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: their issue is. I don't know why. When I was
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  Speaker 1: told at reunion that I wasn't going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the stage. That's when I asked, I said, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it about my melanin? Is it because I live
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  Speaker 1: in my color and I love it? Like I was
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  Speaker 1: literally genuinely asking Mark Lamont Hill, who is saying these things?
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  Speaker 1: And what's the issue. What these girls don't know is
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  Speaker 1: I'm about relationships. I'm about building and cultivating genuine relationships
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: with good people. And I'm very good at being able
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to read somebody and react, and I thank sports for that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: That's what football taught me how to and react. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: saw these girls for what they were. In my first season,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I started breaking down every scene like it was game film,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and I read and reacted and I was able to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: defeat them every single play because they cannot win with offense.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: That's what they say in sports. It's a known saying.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I was literally playing
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: defense all the time in every scene. I didn't know
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: who was my allies, and I realized I had no allies.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Jackie wasn't my friend. She wasn't gonna do shit. CC
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: did the best she could, but she was already underwater
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: trying to tread lightly and come out of that. They
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: accepted Kristin. She came the same season as me. She
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: came as a package with CEC, and they accepted her.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: It wasn't about hazing. It wasn't about that. It was
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: who was going to kiss their ass and who was not?
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And if I looked different and I act different, they
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: have a problem.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because not to cut you off, Kristin's a dark
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: skinned woman herself. So it begs the question OG in
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the beginning of your experience, because you're right, none of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: us are in their heads. So I want to respectfully
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: make sure that I honor your experience. So based on
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: your experience, right knowing that Kristen is a dark skin
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: black woman, you are a dark skin black woman, they
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: accepted Kristin, as you said, and as a viewer, I
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: would say Kristin definitely was amongst you know, the being
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: a part of the OGS and being being accepted. One
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: of the things about colorism is a lot of people
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: did not know the definition of it. So I would
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: love for you to define it. Because one thing that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you said so beautifully is you and Kristin are both
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: dark skinned women. But you also talked about how Christians
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: features are more westernized.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You touch on the.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Difference between how dark skinned people are also treated differently
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: amongst each other.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Correct, correct, So that was a big topic amongst the collectives.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Oh what is colorism? What is racism? There is a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: difference between the two. I don't believe that an actual
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: black person has the capability to be racist by definition,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is racism is the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: suppression of one ethnic group. The suppression right, that is different.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You can't really suppress yourself. You can be suppressed by oppressors,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: but you can't suppress yourself. So I'm going to shelf
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that over there for racism. When it comes to colorism,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: colorism is within that ethnic group. So this is why
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: people have to understand. It is about the pendulum of hues.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It is about the features. It's not just about Oh
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: she's dark, I'm dark. So we both get treated the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: same or we both get treated differently. What I experienced
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and what I witnessed was because I was of a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: more chocolate complexion and I assigned myself as a Nigerian
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: woman from the very beginning. My features. You can see
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: me and know I'm African all my life I was told,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I know you're black, but you're different, good or bad.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: It's because I have African features. The reason why Kristin
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was treated different, in my opinion, is because she had
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: more Western features. A more slender knows what they stereotypically
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: say is good hair, even though she wears a weave.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You know, all those different things are what assigned themselves
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: with what colorism is. You are treating me different, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: you can look at it. With slavery, the lighter complexed
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: slaves were allowed to go and to be in the house.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: They were allowed to be seen by other white people
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: as the acceptable slaves. Even in slavery, everybody's a slave,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: everybody's being treated like crap. However, the lighter one got
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: more favor Okay, the darker ones were forced to work
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in the field. The ones with more chocolate hue were
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: forced to be treated worse. Were raped, We're pillaged. We're
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just it's disgusting to say that. You don't understand the difference.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: You have to understand the history of slavery. Colorism is
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: done by our own people, and it's done by outsiders
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: as well, and it's in tandem with racism. They go
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: aligned hand in hand, but they are different with their
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: own definition. So it's important for people to understand that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you're treating somebody different based solely on the color of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: their skin and how dark they are.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you for breaking that down.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I strongly believe you're not only educating people of our community,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the black community, but you're also educating all communities. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I'm happy that you were able to break it down
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: that way because I do strongly believe that a lot
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: of people didn't understand the difference. And one thing I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: always tell people, it's okay to not know everything, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: once you do know and have the knowledge and the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: definition of it, then let's do better. We won't make
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: these same mistakes again. So thank you for breaking that down, OG,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: pod child, I hate Tinterruss, But we'll be right back
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: with more from OG right after this quick break.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Let's get back into my conversation with basketball wives. OG,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: based on your experience, right, do you think it had
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: a lot to do with Kristin allegedly kissing their ass
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: versus you not kissing their ass or kissing the ring
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: in the sense.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I explained this in the interview. I don't do a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: lot of interviews, but one of the interviews that I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: did do with Kendrick g I explained this where I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: think that there is acceptable black people in Hollywood, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that is their quota. And there's three types, and I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: strongly believe this. I feel like there's the one type
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that they will accept if they are going to be
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the butt of the joke, the gesture, the one who
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: everybody gets to rag on and they're just going to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: constantly clown on her. She's always going to have to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: bring that or he or she is always going to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have to bring that comedic spin. That's the acceptable person,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and that is Jackie Christy, the one who's always going
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to be clowned on, always going to be called crazy,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: always going to be laughed at, and is expected to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: oh a bee's coming, oh oh, act all cooky and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: crazy like the sambo. That's her role. Then there's the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: role of the pick me, the role of the follower,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the one who's gonna yes, ma'am, yeah, no, ma ya.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That's Kristen. I'm not that person. I'm not her. I'm
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not a person who's going to fall in line with
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: that slave mentality. And just do what their masters tell
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: them to do. And that's why she was accepted because
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: she was that role of the person who's not going
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to really really address things like they're supposed to. She's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: gonna do as she's told and fall in line. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that's why I think that they accept their quota black people.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: That it's sad to say, but this is a fact.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You work in the industry and you realize things, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you see things from your own experience, and you're saying, Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: how can I survive in this industry If I'm not
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be the clown and I'm not gonna be the slaves?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: What am I gonna be? You have to be yourself.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: You have to be you. That way you can sleep
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: easy at night. I don't have no problems being myself.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Other people who can't handle me, I handle me just fine.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: That's why I kept having to remind them. I'm in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a room full of afters. All of you guys chose
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason to do some type of plastic surgery
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: or maintenance on your face, your body, your butt, your titties, whatever.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Don't forget your before body, humble yourself, don't forget what
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: your chin looked like. Don't forget what your teeth looked like.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Don't forget what you asked didn't even exist. Don't forget
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: your before body. This is natural and I love the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: way God made me. But when you're in a room
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: full of afters and everybody thinks, oh, I'm this and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I'm that, and my shit, don't sink.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I will remind you, oh you're saying, you're saying after afters.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You know how when you get plastid surgery and you
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: watch a page and it's the before picture and here's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the after, and the before they're all blurred out, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: then the after they show yes, and a room full
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: of afters. Iron Lion, you know what I'm talking about.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Looked at Hooters for ten years. I saw some of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: the best plastic surgery a sugar daddy in a regular
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: could buy. And I'm all for maintaining your body, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: do not get mad at a woman who chooses not
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to go that route. The only surgeries that I've had
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: broken finger, broken leg, These are athletic injuries. I've never
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: opted to do any cosmetic surgery because I don't want to.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But don't knock me because I did it. And then
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that's when I have to play defense and remind you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you did and what was your reason? You're still single?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You married, Richie left you, so you divorced rich You
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: had a baby, Richie left you. What was the reason.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Did you do the surgery for you or did you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: do the surgery to put your venus fly trap out
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: there and catch your next victim? You have to ask
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: yourself those questions.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I forgot you are a great reader and wordsmith.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: But now it goes back to what you said you
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: We loved you og because oh g you would.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Read the Girl's dumb Hoddie and you would do it
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: without being bothered.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: If that's what I love as a producer, I love
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: seeing how there could be a conflicted situation. And to me,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I always say this to people, the best reality TV
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: moment is when something is like intense, but you can laugh,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, I love the fact
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: that I don't like when it gets dirty and people
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: fighting off, Like I just think that's just whatever. I
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: like it when you can stand for yourself and laugh
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and have a key key I read your girl, let
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: me keep it moving, but you got read, and that
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to me is what you brought to the show too.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So Tammy Roman is somebody who personally a couple of
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: years ago reached out to me because when I showed
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you Love publicly and on Twitter, it did go viral
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: and a lot of blogs and outlets picked it up,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: and Tammy Roman, who's a friend of mine, she hit
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: me up and said, I see you love OG.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Is there a show you can do for her?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And I said to her, I said, look, I'm still
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: trying to get my bearings with my company. And I said,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: but I always know if there's something that makes sense
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: for OG, like a brother's down, because I really do
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: think you're fantastic. And I was happy to have that
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: conversation with Tammy. We had Tammy on this podcast as well, OG,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and she said something that allegedly a producer on the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: show called you unattractive and said you could not dress.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That is true? And I'm grateful for Tammy. I will
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: say this because she was somebody who was told nasty
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: things about me and chose to kind of go a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: different route. At first, she was like, Okay, I don't
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: know her, but as she got to know me, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: as I got to know her, she realized they're crazy.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: First of all, I will say this, I'm not going
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to take fashion advice from people who don't know fashion.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: If you have to pay someone to help you dress
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: yourself every single day, don't tell me nothing about fashion.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I so I draw, I actually desiged. I'm a creative
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and they knew this with me going in. In fact,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the producer who made that comment one of the producers,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: because it was more than one producer that made that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: com the one, yes, the one that I know of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that said it to Tammy specifically, I will speak on
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that producer. That person told me they love that I
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: can do all these things to my face. Of course,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it's always different to my face. To my face, behind
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: my back is stabbing me in the back left and right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: That producer told me that, oh can you sew? I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: shot a scene where I was sewing. They tried to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: have me shoot a scene with Malaysia and her stylist friend,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and they never aired that scene. You want to know
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: why they never aired that scene because I purposely came
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: with an outfit that I made that I cut and sew.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I drew it, I posted it, and then I wore
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: it because I was set. They were trying to set
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: me up. You can't teach somebody who teaches you. A
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: creative is the one who sets the norm. Not everybody
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: dresses the same look Eric Abadu. She has her own style,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: her own way, and when she's wearing it, it's fashion,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it's high fashion, it's avant garde. It's different, the same
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: thing for the next person. But if you're just logo logo, logo, logo, logo,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: like a FORID exchange student, and you just arrived in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the States and you don't know what to wear and
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: what to do, that's not fashion. That's not fashion. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I keep trying to explain to them. You can say
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm ugly, no problem, you can say I can't dress.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I've had no problems getting men, okay, especially the ones
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that you guys want. I've had no complaints. Kwame's with me.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We've been together. It'll be eight years in December. We
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: don't have kids that are forcing us to stay together.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: We don't have a marriage that's forcing us to stay together.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: We don't have child support, alimony, none of that shit.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: He loves it here. He loves it here because I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: have everything those women don't have, and That's why they
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: struggle in relationships. That's fashion, is that what you think
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to get your mare? Is that what you think is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: gonna cultivate friendships, whether they're platonic or romantic. No, what's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: so funny to me, Carlos. Yes, Jen's worn outfits that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I've worn. I wore them first. Malaysia's warn't outfits that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I've worn. I wore them first. But when it's on them,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it's because they don't like me. Somebody who doesn't like me.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if I'm wearing it or not. They're
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: gonna say they don't like it because I'm wearing it,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: not because I'm wearing it wrong. These bitches have copied
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: my style, my hair, my phone case. I see it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: because the public doesn't see everything. Where'd you get that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: O G? Where'd you get that O G? They're in
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: my room when I'm doing my makeup. I had to
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: kick Jackie out, Like, girl, go to your room. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just want to see how you con toured. When we
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: went to Amsterdam, Shawnie was so mad. I came to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Amsterdam in a wig, and that night I braided my
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: own hair. Seanne and I caught each other in the
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: elevator and she goes, did you fly in hair and makeup?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I did this myself last night. Are
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you mad? Because you're not talented?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I even helped Malaysia braid her hair. That's why those
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: scenes where like, for example, that classic scene where Malaysias
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: making fun of my wig. That scene irritates me, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some tea on that scene.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That scene irritates me because, for one, my reads were
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: all live, okay. I was reading her for filth on camera.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: She had to read me in a confessional four months later.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So it took her four months to come up with
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: out your wigs in the car. Bravo, babe, bravo for
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: taking you four months to come with the comeback. And
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: somebody probably gave you that comeback. I came to that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: scene from my full time job as a corporate executive
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: after football practice, and I told the producers and this
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: is what really pissed me off, because it was a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: female black producer that I told. I said, Hey, my
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: wig is not getting tacked down. Does anybody have any glue,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: anything tacking even gel anything? She goes, no, we could
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: just pull it a little bit in align it with
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: your natural part. Nobody's gonna see it. So then we
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: shoot the scene and I see her whisper to Malaysia,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and she whispered to Malaysia and the Malaysia you know
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when somebody tells you something. She brings her eyes up
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to my way, and I'm like, oh, I knew it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I said, this bitch is gonna come for me about
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: my hair after I asked you guys for help. It's okay,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I have naturally long hair under here. It's okay.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That's not a healthy environment to be a part of.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: And I feel so I feel sorry you have to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: you have to go through that because one thing about
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: producing reality TV it can't be intense, because you have
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: to be vulnerable and show your real life and obviously
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: unexpected things happen, like we all get that, but it
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: should never be a situation where you feel like every
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: time you go to work you're going to be attacked
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: by your appearance. Like that is just that's crazy to me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the fans saw that. A lot
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: of the media picked this story up, og about what
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: we were all watching on the show, and it became
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a very hot topic so much so so Shawnee released
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a statement and I think maybe also the video if
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, where she apologized to you and apologized.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: To what was going on.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Did you accept her apology and did she ever reach
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: out to you personally?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about to sit down with mark La
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: mart Hill?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that was for lack of better word, damage control.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That was not an apology to me. That was an
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: apology for what she thinks or alleges I experienced or felt.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: She never once texted me, never once called me, never
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: once had a on camera or off camera conversation about anything.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: The problem was is I strongly believe if you really
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: genuinely are sorry for something, you apologize for what you did,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: not what somebody feels. Because I don't feel anything. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: haven't even touched the surface on how I felt so far,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I've only shared my experience. She has never called and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: apologized to me because she doesn't have the guts toll.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have the courage to say I was wrong
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in this entire scenario. Why, because she's evil. That woman
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: is evil. You heard it from me. I'm not the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: first person who said it, and I'm not the last
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: person who's gonna say it. Shawnee does not have a pure,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: clean spirit about her. I can say this because I've
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: been around her. Everything that she does is for fake
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: facade cameras. Look at how she did tammy her friend.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Look at how she does Jackie twenty four to seven
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: her friend. She's not cool. And look at how she
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: allows her alleged associates and friends to act and then
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: co signs it. If you really wanted to have a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: conversation about colorism or a conversation about racism, you would
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: have sat down with me, not Mark Lamont Hill, the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: other acceptable black person who's gonna be the puppy dog
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: fall in line pick me. Isn't that what I've already explained.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's literally right in front of our face. It's just
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: so sad. And where is Mark now? Mark has tried
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to reach out to me. I will give him that,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: but I think that he filled all black women in
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that instance because he knew what he was told to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: do was wrong, and he did it anyways. He knew
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: what was wrong. So if you know what's wrong, why
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: do not have the guts and the curt to be like, no,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: put your foot down Ceec in that moment is like, no,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: if OG's not on the stage, we're not going out.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: The only reason why I came back was because I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: was still negotiating my contract. I had not gotten paid
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: one penny for that season yet, because I was still
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: negotiating my contract and I didn't want to give them
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: any reason to say I reached my contract.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna be real with you.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Watching that, first of all, was heated that you were
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: allowed on stage because you never physically fought anybody. So
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I never understood, like, why is she not allowed to
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: be on stage when prior to Og being on the show,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: there's been tons of physical fights on that show and
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: people were still allowed to be on the on the stage.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't like that, and I'm gonna be real with you,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: I was so disappointed when you did come back to
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to complete the reunion. Now I hear your reason, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I get it, but I like to be honest and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: talk to you about my thought process because my thought
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: process was like, O, G you you're such a beautiful
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: woman with the beautiful spirit that God is going to
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: protect you and take care of you. And what I
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: didn't want Og, and I'm saying this to you personally,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't want you to give off the impression that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: you needed that situation because you have a lot of
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: ride and dies for you, Og, and that was my
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: initial reaction.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, siys, you don't need it, and that's why.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Look, this podcast is to give everybody an opportunity to
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: express their experience.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And just so the audience, No, I reached out to
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: OG person, Oh.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: You didn't reach out to me, I'll reach out to
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: OG because I was reminded that this is somebody who
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I felt wasn't given the proper due on reality television.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And I wanted you to hear from me as a
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: black man in this business. I just wanted to give
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: your flowers your respect and to let you hear from
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: me that I think you are gorgeous. You're beautiful inside
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: and out. And one thing I know for sure, Og,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: sometimes God will allow you to go through the fire
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: because he knows that you are built for it. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: we're always not Often we're always used to give him
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the glory, but we're also used to be a messenger
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: to other people. And I feel like, based on your experience,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you have definitely and I'm gonna say this, and I
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: don't kill gets mad at me for saying this is
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: my truth. You are the first person on reality television
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: to open up the conversations about colorism as relates to
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: being on reality TV.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And for that, I just.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Want to say thank you for having that strength to
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: do it on your own.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you. No, I really appreciate that, because it's been
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a tough journey and a tough road, and not for nothing,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I've gotten so many positive messages I've gotten. Take out
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the negativity. All the people who have felt what I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: said on any level. Gave me the reason to continue
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the fight, because, like you said, nobody wants to talk
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: about it now. After that situation happened. Go and do
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: your research to see how many other shows had no
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: choice but to talk about this. This is a teachable moment,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: This is a teachable era. We are no longer going
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to get away with having certain types
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of behavior behind closed doors because now people can record things. Now,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: people can bring it to light, now people can address it,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and the mob the comment gallery, okay, they will stop
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you in your tracks. And people don't like when it
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: affects their money. People don't like when all of a sudden,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: nobody wants to mess with you because the truth has
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: come out with how you feel about black people. I'm
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: gonna say this, black people, African Africans who are assigned
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to know where they come from. Some people don't know
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: where they come from, but they know that they're black.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: They know they're African descent, true Africans, Nigerians like myself,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: African Americans, African whatever you want to call it. We
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: set the wave and the tempo for how things are
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: done in this world. We are the ones who spend
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the money. We are the ones who create the culture.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: We are the ones that tell you what's hot and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: what's not. So you can't get rid of us. You
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: can push us down, you can make fun of us
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: because of the way we look and the color of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: our skin, but you cannot get rid of the originators.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: You can't. And that's why this conversation was so important
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to have. Now, mind you, I had it, I realized
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I was amongst people who were not willing to learn,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So then I paused. But they wanted me to keep
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: talking about it. But not because they wanted to resolve
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: some of these issues. They wanted me to keep talking
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about it to make me look crazy. Once again, a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: part of the problem. We could have moved forward, we
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: could have agreed to disagree. A lot of different things
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: could have happened. But when you choose to stay in
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: your negativity, naivety, whatever you want to call it, or
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: your evil way of thinking, that's your bed you have
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to lie on it. I didn't do anything wrong. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: definitely did not get my just do. Like you said,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of story to tell. I have
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a lot that's going on in my life that people
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: aren't even fully aware of, and I would love to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: share it publicly. I would love to You don't think
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I want to do my maternity shoots in my weddings
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and all those great things for the audience to see,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and then all the other natural drama that happens. But
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: when you're fabricating stuff, it's difficult to do that. It
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: really is.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: So you haven't closed the door in reality televis. You
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: would love to get back in that genre.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, and it'll happen. It'll happen as long as
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I have some type of creative control. It will happen.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I know it will, and the audience will be excited.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: The audience will be excited to see something different. You
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to see black people fighting twenty four seven.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Enough is with my words. My words are like daggers.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to lift a finger. If I did,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: no one would have survived. If I did, no one
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: would have survived.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Og Well, first.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Of all, them hands, I'm sure are good, but your mouth,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you are the Mike Tyson.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Of word because your words.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Is a tko baby. It would knock a mother baker out.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, so let's be clear before I let
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: you go. We know that you are every You're what
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: is it, o G I'm your favorite athletes, favorite.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Athlete, and don't ever forget it.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Have you heard from from Chad o Cho Sinko?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, chatter, let's listen. Guide to the t Chad and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I are like this. You know that situation actually brought
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: us even closer, which is hilarious to say, because you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. Truly. I didn't know
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: if he really gave it to her, like if he
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: gave her those deals. I didn't know really what was happening.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: All I knew was if anybody's coming for me, I'll
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: give you the facts, and thank God for iPhones, thank
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: God for eye clouds, thank God for transferring over text
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: messages and backing it up, because through that, Chad and
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I were able to have multiple conversations. And I feel
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: for him, you know, I feel for him. I feel
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: for a situation. I feel for what happened. Only those
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: who see what's happening behind closed doors and see the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: proof truly know how to address people accordingly.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: And I feel for him.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: He lost everything dealing with that person. And you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not an advocate for any form of domestic violence,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: but I'm also not an advocate for domestic violence when
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a woman is the abuser and not just men being
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the abusers. It has to go both ways. You know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of times we will side with the lesser
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of the two, so guys get the short end of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the stick because they're naturally bigger, stronger, and can outpower
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a woman naturally. But that doesn't mean women are not
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: verbally abusive. That doesn't mean women are not physically abusive.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: We saw it with the Johnny debap trial. You know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it's not okay whether you're a male, female, or whatever
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you choose to identify with domestic violence is not okay.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But you can't do stuff and be an abuser and
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: then cry wolf like. It's just very difficult. You got
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to kind of pick a side. You know, if you're
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: if this person is your abuser, don't call them to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: rescue you. If you're in a life or debt situation,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: which we've all seen that other person say, it makes
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: no sense mentally. If this person is your alleged abuser,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: don't try to keep tarnishing him. But if he also
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: is your alleged abuser, how the hell did you feel
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: comfortable enough to ask him about me? That's what I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: want to know. That question is yet to be answered,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you know so, and I don't need an answer at
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: this point because I've talked to Chad. He you know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: he's a good dude, and that's what I love about him.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: He's kept a positive outlook. He's moved on in his life,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and that's what he deserves. He deserves to have peace.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: But when somebody won't let go because they're still obsessed
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: with that person, you'll see it play out. You don't
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: see Chad sitting in a car crying in a Gucci
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: hat every two seconds. You don't see that that man
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't have time to do that. He's got endorsements, he's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: got other things, just like myself. I don't always want
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to speak on certain situations, but sometimes you have to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: so that the truth is truly out there. I don't
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: want to be sued. I'm not dragging my lawsuit. The
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: other party's dragging their lawsuit. So every day when I'm
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: getting tagged about it, of course I want to talk
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: about it openly. But it's difficult. You know, it's difficult
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: because the mob will try to tell you you're dragging it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: You guys are the ones fueling the fire because I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: know you see what's happening. I just don't get the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: option to have to reply all the time because if
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I do, I become public enemy number one, when really
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just simply defending myself.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: That's why you listen my advice. As the kink of
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: reality TV, silence is golden. Not everyone og deserves a
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: response because all it does is create more fire that
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: could have been put out. So I appreciate you for
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: just look, this podcast reaches millions of listeners, and I'm
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: happy that you decided to talk to me. I'm happy
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: that I was able to give your flowers and to
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: do it not just on Twitter, but to your face,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: because I definitely think it's meaningful when you see the
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: person and you hear the voice of the person saying it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate you.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: But before I let you go, tell them listeners where
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: they can find you, follow you, support you.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: What you got going on? Sis, Let us know.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of things going on. I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: not going to speak too much on it because I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: kind of like things to happen and be done before
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I talk about it. But you will see me on
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: TV again. I guarantee that I've still been making my
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: PPE masks. Although covid has slowed down, we still have
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to provide masks for our nurses, doctors, and healthcare officials
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and essential workers. So you can find all of this
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: on iheartog dot com. You can always follow me on
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: social media, which is also iheartog, and just stay tuned.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot coming up, and I know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Carlos you said a couple of things that kind of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: sparked my interest. So if we work on something, just
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: know that it'll be fired, it'll be successful, and it'll
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: God willing sword to the sky, I have no doubt.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you Og for blessing me with your presence
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: and for blessing our listeners again.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: You have a huge fan base out there.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I'm included, and I can't wait to see you again
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: in front of the screen.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you to Og for
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: being so open and honest about her experience on the
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: show and telling her truth.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: One of the things about this podcast.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Is it truly is an open form for people to
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: come on and talk about their experience. We're not here
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: to bash anybody or talk down to anybody. I like
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I said in the interview, I like Og. I always
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: thought she was a great star on the show, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I'm super happy that she felt so comfortable coming on
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: my podcast to address her experience. And my hope is
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: that everybody can be able to move on from this,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: heal from it, and like you guys, I want to
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: see Og back on TV child, I want to see
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Ogi back on Basketball Wise, honey, because she was that girl.
• 48:46
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