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MOM'S FRANTIC PLEA AFTER BABY EMMANUEL, 7 MONTHS, 'KIDNAPPED' NOW FACING COURT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the mother accused in the
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Speaker 1: brutal death of little baby Emmanuel just seven months old,
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Speaker 1: appears in court. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the case against the so called mom, Rebecca Huddo moves
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Speaker 1: forward after she is dragged to court. In an appearance,
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Speaker 1: she sat with her hair covering her face on her
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Speaker 1: right side, blinking rapidly as she faces charges in the
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Speaker 1: death of her baby boy. What happened when baby Emmanuel
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Speaker 1: first went missing? Where is seven months old baby Emmanuel?
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Speaker 1: Questions swirling? Did the baby disappear nine days before the
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Speaker 1: alleged kidnapped when mommy was attacked in the parking lot
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Speaker 1: at a sporting good store? Was the baby really missing
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Speaker 1: nine days before that? Could he be alive? We haven't
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Speaker 1: found a body yet. Where is baby Emmanuel? And why
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Speaker 1: are sources stating this seven month old infant child will
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Speaker 1: quote never be found? It all starts here just.
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Speaker 2: Before eight pm Thursday night, Sam Bernardino sheriffs arrive and
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Speaker 2: begins searching the strip mall in parking lot. Canine units
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Speaker 2: are dispatched to the scene as well. Helicopters overhead. Sam
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Speaker 2: Bernardino Sheriff's Department joined by neighboring Riverside County deputies to
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Speaker 2: aid in a comprehensive search that stretches through the night.
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Speaker 1: This was preventable in numerous ways today Matt Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Day, thank you for being with us. The
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Speaker 1: mom says that she goes to Big five as a
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Speaker 1: sporting good store to get her other son in mouthguard
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Speaker 1: so he can play sports. That she gets out of
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Speaker 1: the vehicle to change baby Emmanuel's diepe. She hears one
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Speaker 1: word from a male or lah, and then she's attacked
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Speaker 1: from behind. Hey, she's attacked from behind. Let's see her
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Speaker 1: black eye that she got from that attack from behind.
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Speaker 1: That when she wakes up, the baby is gone. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct? Yes?
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Speaker 2: No, yes, that is correct.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So then she goes into the store when she
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Speaker 1: comes to and ask has anybody seeing the baby? Do
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Speaker 1: I have that right? So far? You are correct, okay,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt. Then the dad shows up on the scene.
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Speaker 2: Listen, Jake Harrow shows up and bought a clothing negative
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Speaker 2: at Big Five and talks to assistant manager Liz Masa.
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Speaker 2: The morning after his son is kidnapped. She says he
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Speaker 2: was trying to appear upset, trying to cry, rubbing his eyes,
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Speaker 2: breathing heavy, but no tears as he asked for help
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Speaker 2: finding his infant son. Harow was wearing a hoodie and
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Speaker 2: his ninety degrees and the manager is shocked to see
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Speaker 2: that Haro is just walking around the parking lot, not
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Speaker 2: out searching for his son. Mesa says, it just felt off.
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Speaker 3: He just came in and asked if we had any information,
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Speaker 3: if police just let it. No, but there was no tears,
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Speaker 3: just exaggerated kind of facial expressions.
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Speaker 1: That's from our friends at us son. Okay, I want
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Speaker 1: to analyze what we've just heard. Dave mack Now, this
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Speaker 1: is a woman that works at the clothing store next
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Speaker 1: to Big five. Let's see Big five Sporting Goods again.
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Speaker 1: It's a little strip mall. And according to this witness,
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Speaker 1: Liz Mezza, the assistant manager, Harrow comes in asking for help.
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Speaker 1: Tell me exactly what we learned from her, Dave mac Well.
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Speaker 2: She says that when he came by that he was
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Speaker 2: trying to look upset, he was trying to breathe heavy,
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Speaker 2: he was rubbing his eyes, he was trying to act
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Speaker 2: like he was very concerned, and she could tell it
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Speaker 2: was an act because it just wasn't real. There was
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Speaker 2: no there were no tears, first of all, but second
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Speaker 2: of all, he wasn't dressed appropriately for somebody who's going
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Speaker 2: to be out looking for their son on this particular day.
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Speaker 1: He's wearing a hoodie.
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Speaker 2: She points that out, because you know, this is August
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Speaker 2: in California and it's high so he had no business
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Speaker 2: to be out looking for his son. And why is
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Speaker 2: he looking in that parking lot? That was another question
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Speaker 2: she pointed out. They closed the seven o'clock. Okay, their
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Speaker 2: parking lot is absolutely empty, right next door to the
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Speaker 2: Big k Or it's got a parking lot and they're
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Speaker 2: open a little later, but there's not a lot of
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Speaker 2: activity in Nancy. And that's what she was trying to
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Speaker 2: point out is that they obviously did not know where
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Speaker 2: they were when they're putting this story out there, because
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Speaker 2: it doesn't match the geography, doesn't match the area they're
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Speaker 2: in at all.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, Dave, mag I think you've gone
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Speaker 1: too far out on the limb, claiming just because the
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Speaker 1: dad was wearing a hoodie that somehow He's quote, you
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Speaker 1: sound like Prince Andrew who said I couldn't have molested
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geoffrey in the Epstein case because those are my
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Speaker 1: traveling clothes. Right, So you're saying this was all wrong
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Speaker 1: because he was wearing a hoodie. Okay, if please don't
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Speaker 1: say that anymore, don't tell that to anybody else, okay,
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Speaker 1: because it's raising a lot of questions about your reporting.
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Speaker 1: But that said, the other part I found really interesting.
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Speaker 1: He came in asked if we had any info. If so,
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Speaker 1: please let me know. No tears, just exaggerated facial expressions,
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Speaker 1: rubbing his eyes, breathing heavily. Okay, that's interesting because you
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Speaker 1: know what to doctor John Delatori. Dilatory is a renowned psychologist,
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Speaker 1: a mediator. His specialties forensic psychology. Doctor Delatory, I know
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Speaker 1: that this woman that works at the Beta clothing store
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Speaker 1: beside Big Five is not a shrink like you. She
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Speaker 1: is not a nonverbal message expert. She's not like a
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Speaker 1: jury consultant that watches all the jurors if they're ticks
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Speaker 1: and their quirks to see if they would be good
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Speaker 1: or bad on the jury for their client. But she
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Speaker 1: is a regular person like most of us, that when
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Speaker 1: you get an odd sense about somebody, you better listen. Now,
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys, especially men, say, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's just a woman, a nervous woman, reading too much
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Speaker 1: into it. I think hunches are very valid, and I
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Speaker 1: believe that they are born of thousands of years of evolution.
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Speaker 1: That you pick up things you don't even realize you're
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Speaker 1: seeing or hearing or feeling or smelling. I mean it
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Speaker 1: could be anything. So the fact that he's wearing a hoodie,
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Speaker 1: I don't care, but her feeling that it quote just
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Speaker 1: felt off. I want to follow up on that delatory.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 5: I mean no, she's not a mental health professional, but
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Speaker 5: she is a human being, a human being working in
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Speaker 5: the service industry, so she interacts with people all of
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Speaker 5: the time, and all of these people she never knows
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Speaker 5: who's going to be coming in and for what reason,
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Speaker 5: and what their day to day experiences are. She knows
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Speaker 5: about this case and is expecting to experience something coming
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Speaker 5: off of this man, and she doesn't get it. And
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Speaker 5: that's already a red flag.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 5: Her intenna is already up, So now she's going to
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Speaker 5: be looking at more things. What are the other inconsistencies
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Speaker 5: that are going on when she tells herself, look, if
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Speaker 5: this was my child, this is how I would be
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Speaker 5: comparing Those emotional states to the person that she's seeing
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Speaker 5: right in front of her are inconsistent and that's what
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Speaker 5: makes him just seem more suspect.
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Speaker 1: Okay, brace yourself. Philip Dubay joining us, a veteran trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer out of the LA jurisdiction, jump into Bay.
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Speaker 7: I think it's ridiculous to assume that parents who are
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Speaker 7: in search of a missing child have to follow some
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Speaker 7: type of a blueprint, almanac or connect the dots in
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Speaker 7: some way, shape or form to suggest that they're not
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Speaker 7: behaving the way parents who might be in despair would display.
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Speaker 7: Because if you think about it, this is something that
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Speaker 7: may never happen during the course in the scope of
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Speaker 7: running a business, and certainly during the course in the
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Speaker 7: scope of raising children.
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Speaker 4: So I don't know what anybody's talking about in.
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Speaker 1: Assuming that there was the right way to behave But
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Speaker 1: can you read on a prior program that you don't
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Speaker 1: have any children? So what do you know about what
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Speaker 1: people are going through raising children? Because I've told you
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Speaker 1: what happened when John David went missing and it's always
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Speaker 1: r us. Wait, babies are us. I did not try
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Speaker 1: to make myself cry.
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Speaker 4: It's self. Preservation is preservation of your family.
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Speaker 7: You don't have to be a parent to know that
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Speaker 7: a kid is missing and that you can kind of
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Speaker 7: pitch in and help find the child.
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Speaker 4: That's absurd. And to suggest that.
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Speaker 7: Either you know how you're dressed, how you behave, whether
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Speaker 7: or not you're crying, should follow that playbook and determining
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Speaker 7: whether or not you're up to no good, I think
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Speaker 7: is an unfair assessment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I knew you would say that straight out to
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Speaker 1: Allie Neil joining US co founder revvd up Kids. She
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Speaker 1: has been fighting for years to protect children from sex abuse, trafficking,
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Speaker 1: and other forms of abuse. Allie, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Why is debate saying that because you have
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Speaker 1: dealt with so many parents that are suffering because they
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Speaker 1: can't find their child. And I know defense attorney say
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Speaker 1: there is no playbook, but actually there is a playbook.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen a parent that did not show some
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Speaker 1: sort of emotion when they're looking for a lost child. Allie.
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Speaker 1: I would agree.
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Speaker 8: With you, Nancy, but I also would agree that everybody
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Speaker 8: has different ways that they show or hide emotion. We
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Speaker 8: can't read his mind. And you know the store clerk, yes,
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Speaker 8: she was observing what she believed was fake behavior, but
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Speaker 8: none that's going to hold up in court. His behavior
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Speaker 8: when he walked into that store to ask about.
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Speaker 1: Oh well right, right right. I don't know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: It won't quote hold up in court.
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Speaker 8: I mean the fact that he's suggesting if.
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Speaker 1: It ever goes to trial, the jury cannot hear evidence
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Speaker 1: of his demeanor at the clothing store because that's just
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Speaker 1: past awkwards. They will hear that and they will wonder,
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Speaker 1: like we are, why was he trying to make himself
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Speaker 1: christ They.
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Speaker 8: Can hear it, but I think the defense would turn
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Speaker 8: around and say, you weren't in his head. You don't
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Speaker 8: know how he responds to, you know, crisis. Some people
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Speaker 8: just shut down. Some people, you know. So it feels
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Speaker 8: like speculations.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Alan, okay, Allie. Steve Fisher, let's respond to that.
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher joining us Missing Person's private investigator search and
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Speaker 1: rescue specialists. You can find him at Searchinvestigations dot org. Steve,
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Speaker 1: you have made a living. This is what you do
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Speaker 1: day in day out. You find missing people, especially children.
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Speaker 1: You go through all sorts of searches. You do all
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Speaker 1: terrain searches. You've overseen water searches, you've overseen dump side searches,
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Speaker 1: name it, you've done it. So Steve Alie Neil agrees
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Speaker 1: with Philip Dubay that parents cannot act upset at all
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Speaker 1: when their child is missing. In fact, in this case,
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Speaker 1: the witness says he was trying to make himself cry out.
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Speaker 1: I find that very odd behavior. The hoodie doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: anything to me, but the demeanor and what you're about
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Speaker 1: to find out about them just hanging around in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot, not actively looking like what do they think
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Speaker 1: baby Emanuel is going to walk back into the parking lot.
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Speaker 1: He's seven months old. But making yourself cry or trying
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Speaker 1: to that's just wrong. I don't know why they're saying
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Speaker 1: that that's normal. I've never seen. I always see frantic.
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Speaker 9: You know, people that are just you know, have no
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Speaker 9: control of their emotions actually, and that they both seem
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Speaker 9: to kind of have that same reaction to me, if
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Speaker 9: it's kind of for Stu stage and it was, you know,
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Speaker 9: look like a more of a press opportunity.
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Speaker 1: You know what we have barely touched the tip of
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Speaker 1: the iceberg. So I'm going to move us forward.
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Speaker 3: Listen, kidnabbed, they would have been out looking for them,
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Speaker 3: saying with like my sisters with their kids.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's just not.
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Speaker 3: Something to just hang around in a parking lot and
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Speaker 3: then just bevingling with your family.
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Speaker 8: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: We close at seven, So for them to say after
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Speaker 3: at seven forty seven, the whole parking lot is empty.
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Speaker 4: Basically by that.
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Speaker 1: Time, back to Dave Mac, that is exactly what you
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Speaker 1: were saying. If there had been a baby kidnapped, they
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Speaker 1: would have been out looking for them. They were just
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Speaker 1: hanging around the parking lot, like hanging out with a family,
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Speaker 1: like tailgating in the parking lot. She goes on to
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Speaker 1: State and that's where our friends at us Son. We
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Speaker 1: close at seven, So for them to say it happened
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Speaker 1: at seven forty seven, the whole parking lot is empty.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you were saying earlier? Dave Mac explain, Okay,
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Speaker 1: not exactly, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: The store next door to the Big Five actually closes
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Speaker 2: at seven, and their parking lot is adjacent to the
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Speaker 2: Big Five. Big Five stays open later than that store
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Speaker 2: next door but for the most part, the parking lot
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Speaker 2: are fairly empty, certainly empty next to Big Five, and
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Speaker 2: the Big five is fanning out. There's not a lot
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Speaker 2: of activity there after seven o'clock at night. That's what
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Speaker 2: the manager was trying to say.
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Speaker 1: Okay, got it, guys. It goes on from there. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours. A lot happening in the case, a
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Speaker 1: lot happening in the search for baby Emmanuel.
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Speaker 10: Listen, it's appropriate to have a press conference, because it
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Speaker 10: was the defendants in this case that had a press
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Speaker 10: conference first, and they did so in order to tell
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Speaker 10: the public, the media, and ultimately law enforcement that their
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Speaker 10: child had been kidnapped.
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Speaker 3: I was going to get the diaper and somebody said
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Speaker 3: oiler and I don't look a right here on the floor,
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Speaker 3: and I didn't see Manuel.
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Speaker 11: It was a healthy baby. He was crawling, he was kickkating,
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Speaker 11: he was playing with his toys. Whoever took our son,
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Speaker 11: please give him back.
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Speaker 1: I'm watching his demeanor as he's speaking. His voice seemingly
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Speaker 1: is cracking, but he's not crying, and he doesn't look
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Speaker 1: distressed at all. That was for my friends at KTLA
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Speaker 1: and ABC seven. You were first hearing Mike Hestren from
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Speaker 1: Riverside County DA's office, stating they were having a press
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Speaker 1: conference because the mom and dad had already had their
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Speaker 1: own press conference with me special guest doctor Eric Esen
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Speaker 1: Board sort of five forensic pathologist, and you can find
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Speaker 1: him on Facebook at Eric august Asen, doctor Ethon. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. How can she explain that
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Speaker 1: she was attacked from behind but yet has a black
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Speaker 1: eye on the front of her face.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it could have fallen forward, hit something, she could
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Speaker 6: have spun around a could be an attack from behind
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Speaker 6: and been punched in the face. Those are all possibilities.
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Speaker 1: Day mag I want you to explain to me what
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Speaker 1: Big five employee stated about the mom coming in earlier
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Speaker 1: before Baby Emmanuel goes missing to state that her car
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Speaker 1: had been vandalized.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened. She went to the store and asked, hey,
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Speaker 2: She actually said, my car has been broken into in
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Speaker 2: your parking lot. I'm just wondering, do'n't have any surveillance
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Speaker 2: cameras pointed in this direction at all? That might have
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Speaker 2: been able to capture my car in the parking lot
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Speaker 2: and can you show me where it is? And she
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Speaker 2: was able to find out exactly what they had for
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Speaker 2: surveillance in the parking lot, so she already knew ahead
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Speaker 2: of time.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, they don't live.
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Speaker 2: In that area. It would have been out of the
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Speaker 2: way for her to be at that store any day
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Speaker 2: other than when she was.
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Speaker 1: There, Dave mag When do they say that that happened,
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Speaker 1: that the mom came in stating her car had been
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Speaker 1: vandalized and asking if there were cameras, surveillance cameras on
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Speaker 1: any of the stores.
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Speaker 2: This is one of those stories, Nancy, where we've been
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Speaker 2: told that she came in three days early year. We
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Speaker 2: have since they don't have any cameras, we can't actually
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Speaker 2: find video proof that she did that, Nancy, but that
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Speaker 2: is what has been said by employees of the store.
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Speaker 1: Well, see Fisher, wouldn't it be a matter of getting
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Speaker 1: her cell phone and tracking the cell phone to determine
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Speaker 1: if it had been in the parking lot two or
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Speaker 1: three days earlier.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, that's something that's celebrated. Can do a celebrate on
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Speaker 9: her phone. They'll be able to find out that information.
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Speaker 9: And there's also but I don't think she knew is
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Speaker 9: there's lots of other surveillance cameras that are pointing that
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Speaker 9: are showing that parking lot from across the street and
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Speaker 9: other ways.
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Speaker 4: You know, I actually spoke.
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Speaker 9: I actually went to the Big Five and spoke to
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Speaker 9: the employees and that witnessed her come in and they clearly,
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Speaker 9: you know, remember her coming in and it was suspicious
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Speaker 9: to them. And then when she came in with the
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Speaker 9: kidnapp claim, that's immediately what they thought of. They're like,
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Speaker 9: this lady was here, and what they said to me
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Speaker 9: was earlier in the month, although this happened fairly early
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Speaker 9: in the month.
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Speaker 1: So okay a minute, Wait a minute, Steve Fisher, explain
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Speaker 1: exactly what the employees told you.
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Speaker 9: Sure, I went into the Big Five. I was there
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Speaker 9: the day after the kidnapping claims started it happened, and
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Speaker 9: they told me that she had come in and asked
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Speaker 9: She had said that her car had been broken into
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Speaker 9: and she wanted to know if there was surveillance figure
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Speaker 9: she needed it for the insurance claim, and they told
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Speaker 9: her that they did not have exterior cameras on the
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Speaker 9: building and that was it. You know, of course, at
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Speaker 9: that time, they don't know what's about to happen a
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Speaker 9: few days later, but that's what they.
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Speaker 1: Told me, Philip Debay, what about that? Quite the coinkey
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Speaker 1: ding right debate? Don't you just hate it when your
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Speaker 1: client's case the joint days ahead of time to find
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Speaker 1: out if their surveillance video. I would be interested to
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Speaker 1: find out if she really filed an insurance claim when
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Speaker 1: her car was quote burglarized? What about it?
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Speaker 8: Do Bay?
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Speaker 1: And she goes back to the same place and gets
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Speaker 1: a tech second time, same parking lot, same car, same everything.
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Speaker 7: If I were defending her, I would put those store
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Speaker 7: employees through the vegimatic. I would just really left, right
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Speaker 7: and center, just cross examine them.
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Speaker 4: Like they have never been crossed before.
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Speaker 7: And I would want to know just how many employees
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Speaker 7: are saying that about my quote unquote client. So, for example,
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Speaker 7: this was your search and rescue debut, wasn't it. I'll
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Speaker 7: bet you checked the lighting before you spoke. You shut
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Speaker 7: off all the fluorescence and make sure you had bright
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Speaker 7: light and number two pancake to rub on your nose
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Speaker 7: and your forehead.
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Speaker 1: You've been talking about first time, Well, what are you
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Speaker 1: talking about?
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Speaker 4: Say that they're exaggerating?
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Speaker 1: Oh okay to Stave Fisher, does he look like a
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Speaker 1: camera crew to you? It seems like a regular guy
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Speaker 1: to me, he goes in and talk to them about
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Speaker 1: what happened, and they volunteer and not just one of them.
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Speaker 1: Under you can take Fisher down? Okay, putting debate back
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Speaker 1: up debate. To believe your theory, all of the employees
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Speaker 1: that opened up to see Fisher would all have to
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Speaker 1: be in on it, that all have to be part
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Speaker 1: of a conspiracy to lie about missus Harrow, that all
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Speaker 1: have to be in on it to get miss Harrow
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Speaker 1: that they've never met before this, They don't know her,
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Speaker 1: there's no grudge, there's no extra grind. But yet they're
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Speaker 1: all willing to lie to a guy that just walks
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Speaker 1: through the front door and asks, what happened? Is that
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Speaker 1: your story? They're all getting together to lie on Rebecca Harrow?
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Speaker 7: Well, I, Philip do they and his personal capacity would
20:41
Speaker 7: absolutely buy it. But if I were defending her, I
20:43
Speaker 7: would do whatever I could to make it look like
20:46
Speaker 7: they all put their heads together to take the lady down.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that's your vegematic that you're bragging about.
20:52
Speaker 1: But I put the bass to a vegematic. Yeah, okay,
20:56
Speaker 1: no line. Nobody uses a vegematic anymore unless you I
21:02
Speaker 1: shot my hand, of course, but everybody else uses a
21:05
Speaker 1: what do you say? Queens and r all right, So
21:07
Speaker 1: that said, that's your vegimatic. You're going to accuse them
21:13
Speaker 1: of having their star turn with Steve Fisher, who is
21:19
Speaker 1: not a camera person.
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Speaker 7: If I were defending them, absolutely, I would do whatever
21:24
Speaker 7: I could to challenge their perceptions, their recollections, and their
21:28
Speaker 7: incentive to want to take the lady down.
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Speaker 4: And you'd be amazed.
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Speaker 1: Search time, debate. You need to search, You need to search,
21:36
Speaker 1: to search all the employees home and find that pancake
21:40
Speaker 1: makeup you're talking about, just the vats and vats and
21:43
Speaker 1: pots of pancake makeup and heavy powder that they were
21:47
Speaker 1: going to apply for the moment that Steve Fisher happens
21:50
Speaker 1: to walk through their door. They were ready for that. Okay,
21:52
Speaker 1: what about this debate.
21:54
Speaker 2: In the early stages of the investigation, detectives challenge Rebecca
21:58
Speaker 2: Harrow on inconsistency he's in her story, and she stops cooperating.
22:02
Speaker 2: Both parents are asked to take a polygraph, but Jake
22:05
Speaker 2: Harrow refuses the polygraph without his lawyer.
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Speaker 4: President.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess you think that's normal behavior too.
22:11
Speaker 1: When your child goes missing and your wife is attacked
22:14
Speaker 1: in a parking lot. You won't take a polly because
22:17
Speaker 1: of what? What are you afraid of? Inconsistencies? Imperfect unreliable science.
22:22
Speaker 1: And we've seen this before.
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Speaker 7: Remember when the medal in McKay baby was abducted in Portugal.
22:29
Speaker 4: The parents would.
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Speaker 1: Make me too, Debet matt alan let mention got the
22:34
Speaker 1: name Maddie McCann.
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Speaker 7: Remember that the parents would not submit to the polygraph.
22:38
Speaker 7: Not because it was consciousness of guilt, It was consciousness
22:42
Speaker 7: of scientific imperfection that was the problem. Can you imagine
22:46
Speaker 7: then being detained and held based on imperfect science?
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Speaker 4: No, So what do you do? You clam up?
22:53
Speaker 7: You ask for a lawyer, particularly in a situation when
22:56
Speaker 7: you're being confronted with quote unquote inconsistencies and you have
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Speaker 7: turned a search and rescue into an adversarial proceeding.
23:06
Speaker 4: I would have.
23:06
Speaker 7: Clammed up as well and asked her counsel or just
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Speaker 7: remained silent.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace And now the so called mom,
23:23
Speaker 1: Rebecca Hotto in court her hair covering her face. As
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Speaker 1: the case moves forward, the mother forty one, is charged
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Speaker 1: with murder and making a false report in the death
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Speaker 1: of her seven month old little boy, Emmanuel. His body
23:40
Speaker 1: has never been found and the facts are heartbreaking. In
23:45
Speaker 1: all the photos of little Emmanuel, I never once, never
23:48
Speaker 1: once saw him smiling. And now I know why Mark
23:53
Speaker 1: Class he's the gold standard. His daughter, Polly was kidnapped,
23:58
Speaker 1: sex assaulted, and murdered by Richard Allen. She was having
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Speaker 1: to spend the night party in her mom's home when
24:06
Speaker 1: police came to search Mark Class's place. He opened the
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Speaker 1: door and said, here, take my fingerprints, search my place,
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Speaker 1: search my car, search my office, do whatever you want.
24:19
Speaker 1: Then you can move on to find out who took
24:21
Speaker 1: my daughter. Okay, he was willing to take a polygraph.
24:25
Speaker 1: I find it very odd that, faced with your child
24:29
Speaker 1: disappearing and a violent attack on your wife in a
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Speaker 1: parking lot, that you refuse a polygraph and lawyer up,
24:37
Speaker 1: I got a problem with that.
24:38
Speaker 4: I agree.
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Speaker 9: I mean, if a child goes missing, even if the
24:42
Speaker 9: public might be throwing accusations around, I mean, as a parent,
24:46
Speaker 9: if you have no guilt in it, I think it's
24:48
Speaker 9: the last thing going through your mind, is you know
24:52
Speaker 9: the failing of a polygraph. You think they would be
24:56
Speaker 9: willing to submit to whatever would help investigators, and if
25:00
Speaker 9: the public's making those claims, then you have to tune
25:03
Speaker 9: that out if you truly had nothing to do with it.
25:07
Speaker 9: But in this case, that's not what we saw. They
25:08
Speaker 9: told us they were cooperating. That's what the parents told
25:12
Speaker 9: the news, but it doesn't seem like it because at
25:14
Speaker 9: the time I was there, they were in the house
25:16
Speaker 9: the whole time, they weren't out searching, and it doesn't
25:18
Speaker 9: sound like they were truly cooperating with authorities.
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Speaker 2: In the Southern California News Group, Rebecca Harrow denies that
25:25
Speaker 2: she went to the Big Five in u Kaipa days
25:27
Speaker 2: before she reported the kidnapping and told employees her car
25:31
Speaker 2: had been bigularized in the parking lot and asked if
25:33
Speaker 2: the business had surveillance cameras. The Sheriff's Department has yet
25:37
Speaker 2: to address the claims.
25:38
Speaker 1: Little Emmanuel was first reported missing on August fourteenth.
25:42
Speaker 8: They have searched two counties and they have still not
25:46
Speaker 8: found this.
25:46
Speaker 1: Little way baby Emmanuel, just seven months old, reportedly goes
25:52
Speaker 1: missing out of a Big five Sporting Goes parking lot
25:57
Speaker 1: there with his mother.
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Speaker 2: This is a seven month old baby that they are
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Speaker 2: looking in the roughest terrain in the world board and
26:04
Speaker 2: they bring out the baby's father and he doesn't even
26:07
Speaker 2: bother to offer any kind of assistance, any kind of help.
26:11
Speaker 1: Tonight's sources stating they know why baby Emmanuel will never
26:16
Speaker 1: be found. This as witnesses state the dad, Jake Harrow,
26:23
Speaker 1: asks for help in staging baby Emmanuels kidnap, but there's
26:29
Speaker 1: another baby taking center stage. Listen.
26:32
Speaker 2: The sister of Emmanuel was so badly injured at just
26:35
Speaker 2: ten weeks she was left unable to see, talk or walk.
26:40
Speaker 2: The little girl is being raised by her adoptive mother,
26:43
Speaker 2: who renamed the child Promise Faith. At just ten weeks old,
26:47
Speaker 2: Promise had an acute fractured rib, healing fractures of six ribs,
26:52
Speaker 2: a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck,
26:56
Speaker 2: a healing fractured leg bone, and nutritional neglect. Carl and
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Speaker 2: his former partner Vanessa Alvina were both charged with child
27:04
Speaker 2: of cruelty in twenty eighteen, deh Horrow pleading guilty.
27:07
Speaker 1: Doctor Eric Ason the injuries to Maybe Emmanuel's sister are overwhelming,
27:16
Speaker 1: and according to reports, she has cerebral palsy because of
27:22
Speaker 1: repeat abuse. How can that happen? How do you get
27:26
Speaker 1: cerebral palsy from beatings?
27:28
Speaker 6: Well, it's trauma to the brain, and it's a blunt trauma.
27:31
Speaker 6: So a solid object struck the head, or the head
27:34
Speaker 6: struck a solid object, or some combination of the two.
27:36
Speaker 6: And so everything indicates that with the rib fractures and
27:39
Speaker 6: all the other fractures on the body in different stages
27:42
Speaker 6: of healing, that they were inflicted by another individual. And
27:47
Speaker 6: that's how the cerebral palsy can occur in a child
27:49
Speaker 6: due to injury to the brain.
27:51
Speaker 1: And what's so disturbing days Mac, is that a judge
27:56
Speaker 1: allowed Jake Harrow, the father in this case that reportedly
28:03
Speaker 1: asked for help from store employees to set up his
28:05
Speaker 1: baby's kidnap, he got to walk free. He walked free.
28:12
Speaker 1: Isn't that true? The judge said, Hey, I'm gonna do
28:16
Speaker 1: you a favorite. Judge Dwight W. Moore suspended Harrow's prison
28:22
Speaker 1: sentence and granted straight probation. What happened, Dave Mac.
28:28
Speaker 2: He spent a couple of weeks taking up trash on
28:31
Speaker 2: the side of the road Nancy in a work release program.
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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Phillip debay. The baby cannot walk talk here.
28:42
Speaker 1: See he got probation. I guess you think his lawyer
28:47
Speaker 1: did a good job.
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Speaker 4: Well, of course he did.
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Speaker 7: I mean you cannot claim that that attorney was ineffective.
28:53
Speaker 7: I think the real question, though, is why the prosecution
28:56
Speaker 7: was impounding its fists on council table, demanding that this
29:01
Speaker 7: judge and post prison, or why they didn't file what
29:04
Speaker 7: we call an alf a David of prejudice against the
29:07
Speaker 7: judge and you get moved to a different court.
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Speaker 4: It's my understanding.
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Speaker 1: So somehow you're gonna not You're somehow trying to blame
29:15
Speaker 1: the prosecutor for this. Well, I've got here right, Frank
29:18
Speaker 1: Baum for you listen.
29:20
Speaker 10: J Carl pled straight up to the court, which sometimes
29:24
Speaker 10: reporters get this wrong, and you call it a plea bargain.
29:28
Speaker 10: Judges are not allowed to plea bargain. The defendants can
29:31
Speaker 10: plee bargain with the prosecutor. But when a defendant pleads
29:35
Speaker 10: up to the court, they plead to everything that they've
29:37
Speaker 10: been charged with, and they're essentially throwing themselves on the mercy.
29:40
Speaker 1: Of the court. It's called a blind plea in most jurisdictions.
29:44
Speaker 1: What that means is the prosecutor would only agree to
29:47
Speaker 1: a plea bargain for serious jail time. The defense wouldn't
29:51
Speaker 1: take it, and so they go to the judge blind
29:55
Speaker 1: so to speak, and throw themselves on the mercy of
29:58
Speaker 1: the judge. The prosecutor disagreed. The prosecutor wanted hard jail time.
30:07
Speaker 1: It's the judge, Judge Dwight W.
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Speaker 2: Moore.
30:12
Speaker 1: They went to the prosecutor. Yeah, you know what, screw
30:15
Speaker 1: you and the horse she rode in on. I'm gonna
30:17
Speaker 1: give a straight probation. Even though he blinded the baby girl.
30:22
Speaker 1: He made her death dumb and mute, and she can't
30:27
Speaker 1: walk and she has cerebral palsy. But hey, he actually
30:32
Speaker 1: said from the bench, I'm gonna give you a break.
30:35
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do you a favor. The prosecutor was doing
30:39
Speaker 1: a back flip. Listen.
30:41
Speaker 10: In this case, a judge here in Riverside County happened
30:45
Speaker 10: to have been a visiting judge from Sambordino County, gave
30:49
Speaker 10: mister Harrold a suspended sentence, which means that instead of
30:54
Speaker 10: sending him to prison, he chose to give him probation
30:58
Speaker 10: and suspend prison time sort of over his head, meaning
31:02
Speaker 10: that if you violated his probation, he would then go
31:05
Speaker 10: to prison. My prosecutor in the courtroom objected to that
31:10
Speaker 10: and said, on the record, we object. We think it's
31:12
Speaker 10: a prison case. You should send him to prison. And
31:15
Speaker 10: the judge decided that mister Harrowod deserved an extra break
31:22
Speaker 10: and gave him probation and basically one hundred and eighty
31:25
Speaker 10: days of work release. That decision was absolutely outrageous. Mister
31:30
Speaker 10: Harror should have been in prison at the time that
31:33
Speaker 10: this crime happened. And if if that judge had done
31:38
Speaker 10: his job as he should have done it, Manual would
31:41
Speaker 10: be alive today.
31:42
Speaker 1: That is Mike hestrin the Riverside County District Attorney saying,
31:45
Speaker 1: we beg for jail time. We demanded jail time, and
31:49
Speaker 1: Judge Dwight del Moore threw us out of court and
31:53
Speaker 1: gave this guy straight probation. And what did he do.
31:57
Speaker 1: He goes into a store asking them to help him
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Speaker 1: give an alibi, help him create a story that his child,
32:09
Speaker 1: his other child, was kidnapped. That is the woman, That
32:13
Speaker 1: is the person, Ali Neil that you said, Hey, there's
32:18
Speaker 1: no playbook for a parent who's lost a child, So
32:22
Speaker 1: maybe he was crying, maybe he was really upset. That's
32:26
Speaker 1: the guy. He had already way into oblivion.
32:31
Speaker 8: Okay, I want to backtrack, because you were asking specific
32:36
Speaker 8: questions about his demeanor in the store and the clerk's
32:39
Speaker 8: perception of his demeanor in the store. Do I think
32:42
Speaker 8: he did it one hundred percent? Yes, I absolutely think
32:46
Speaker 8: he did it. And I completely agreed that he should
32:48
Speaker 8: already be in jail for the other child abuse. So yeah,
32:53
Speaker 8: this whole story just smacks of this wild, made up lie.
32:58
Speaker 8: And I hope the wife is Belly.
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Speaker 1: Neil's down, Ali, I'm sitting down. Are you sitting down?
33:06
Speaker 1: Simple here, you're sitting down, Well, you know you might
33:10
Speaker 1: need to lay down for what you're about to hear,
33:12
Speaker 1: Allie Neil.
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Speaker 10: At the end of their sentence, he told Jake, I'm
33:16
Speaker 10: giving you a big break today. Don't mess it up.
33:19
Speaker 10: But I want to point something out to you. I
33:20
Speaker 10: want to read to you the injuries that the child's
33:27
Speaker 10: name is Carolina. She's still alive today, but she is
33:31
Speaker 10: permanently bedridden. She has permanent damage cerebral palsy that is
33:37
Speaker 10: a result of long term.
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Speaker 4: Child Beach.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The preliminary hearing for Rebecca
33:53
Speaker 1: Hotto is set for the end of May. In the
33:57
Speaker 1: last day, she is brought to court out there like
34:00
Speaker 1: a lump. She initially said she was attacked in the
34:04
Speaker 1: store parking lot and her son was stolen, but deputies
34:07
Speaker 1: quickly determined that was a lie. What more do we know?
34:13
Speaker 1: How can you look at the disappearance of baby Emmanuel
34:18
Speaker 1: without factoring in what Jake Harrow did to this baby's sister,
34:27
Speaker 1: who is left forever in basically a vegetative state because
34:33
Speaker 1: of him. He pled guilty. It's not a question do
34:37
Speaker 1: bay will probably make it sound like, well, maybe it
34:39
Speaker 1: didn't happen. He pled guilty under oath in a court
34:43
Speaker 1: of law. He rolled the dice and he hit the
34:46
Speaker 1: jackpot because the judge gave him straight probation. And what
34:49
Speaker 1: does he do? According to reports, he tries to get
34:54
Speaker 1: store employees to help him stage a kidnap. The kidnap
34:59
Speaker 1: up another baby, baby Emmanual. But before we move on,
35:04
Speaker 1: I want you to hear the Riverside County District Attorney
35:08
Speaker 1: Mike Hestrin recount what happened to baby Emmanual's sister.
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Speaker 10: I want to read to you the injuries that were
35:15
Speaker 10: presented to in court to this judge at the time
35:19
Speaker 10: of that previous prosecution. A cute fracture of the posterior
35:23
Speaker 10: left rib, fifth rib, healing fractures, healing fractures of the
35:28
Speaker 10: posterior lateral sixth, seventh and tenth through twelfth ribs, healing
35:32
Speaker 10: fractures of the sixth and ninth through twelfth ribs, partial
35:37
Speaker 10: bone fracture of the skull, brain hemorrhage, significant prevertical soft
35:45
Speaker 10: tissue swelling of the neck, and a healing tibia fracture
35:49
Speaker 10: of the right leg.
35:50
Speaker 1: You know, when you hear the district attorney reading off
35:54
Speaker 1: the injuries to the baby girl who was just weeks old,
36:01
Speaker 1: you can numb yourself. But if you think about what
36:05
Speaker 1: he is saying, if you let your mind go to
36:09
Speaker 1: what he is saying, what was done to the baby
36:15
Speaker 1: is brutal, it's hateful, it's downright evil. What was done
36:23
Speaker 1: to this baby girl. And now baby Emmanuel is missing. Now,
36:29
Speaker 1: according to sources, baby Emmanuel will never be found.
36:36
Speaker 2: Borrow's next door neighbor is saying the body of Emmanuel
36:38
Speaker 2: Horrow will never be found after hearing police had Horrow
36:42
Speaker 2: out by the sixty Freeway. The neighbor says she can
36:45
Speaker 2: hear the coyotes at night like they are in the
36:47
Speaker 2: front yard, and says she doesn't think the remains will
36:49
Speaker 2: be found. Quote one, something to be found. I'm pretty
36:52
Speaker 2: sure you can find a way. Sad to hear, but true.
36:56
Speaker 2: If you're a local here, you know that baby's gone.
36:59
Speaker 1: Dave, Mike, explain to me what the neighbors are saying.
37:02
Speaker 2: They're pointing out, Nancy that while it seems the area
37:06
Speaker 2: that you're talking about with Riverside and San Bernardino Counties,
37:09
Speaker 2: there are a lot of areas that are very rural, okay,
37:14
Speaker 2: a lot of underbrush and coyotes. The coyotes are wild,
37:18
Speaker 2: and they can hear them at night, and as the
37:21
Speaker 2: neighbor pointed, they're so loud, they're so they sound like
37:24
Speaker 2: they're right here in the front yard. And that's what
37:27
Speaker 2: she's pointing out. There are so many areas where if
37:32
Speaker 2: that's what your goal was to get rid of something
37:34
Speaker 2: that nobody would find, you could do it in this
37:37
Speaker 2: area around the house within two or three miles could
37:41
Speaker 2: be totally lost.
37:42
Speaker 1: I want to go to Steve Fisher joining us a
37:45
Speaker 1: search and Rescue specialist on off search investigations, Steve, if
37:52
Speaker 1: that's true what the neighbor is saying that Emmanuel's body
37:57
Speaker 1: will never be found if the body had been disposed
38:02
Speaker 1: of out in one of these many, many open and
38:05
Speaker 1: desolate areas, could cadaver dogs find even a trace a
38:12
Speaker 1: part of the baby, assuming coyotes had gotten to them first.
38:17
Speaker 9: Yes, so, and listen, this is a huge, vast open
38:21
Speaker 9: area and I do a lot of searches out in
38:22
Speaker 9: this area. And these are scavenger animals. It's not just coyotes,
38:26
Speaker 9: but there is a lot of mountain lion in that area,
38:29
Speaker 9: and they're opportunistic animals and they will feed upon stuff
38:33
Speaker 9: like this, but they scatter the bones. They'll use them
38:37
Speaker 9: as salt lick sometimes, and I understand such a young
38:40
Speaker 9: child has softer bones in an adult. However, they'll it
38:44
Speaker 9: does Actually they'll spread those remains. That actually gives a
38:47
Speaker 9: wider area than humans or canines to come in and search.
38:53
Speaker 9: And there still is going.
38:54
Speaker 4: To be.
38:56
Speaker 9: You know, a material left where the caneines can pull so,
39:01
Speaker 9: but it's not going to happen if they're not out searching.
39:03
Speaker 9: And that's you know where I have a problem lately
39:07
Speaker 9: is I don't see these searches happening. But yes, even
39:10
Speaker 9: if these predatory animals, we see it a lot in
39:12
Speaker 9: desert searches, and it does happen, but they do leave,
39:17
Speaker 9: you know, remains behind.
39:20
Speaker 1: There is of course a remote chance baby Harrow is
39:23
Speaker 1: still alive, that Emmanuel is sold or given away. But again,
39:28
Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at his track record,
39:31
Speaker 1: Doctor John Delatory. We know that Jake Harrow has a
39:36
Speaker 1: history of beating infants. So it makes me believe that
39:41
Speaker 1: the neighbor could be right, Doctor Delatory.
39:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
39:45
Speaker 5: I mean I I just just listening to the list
39:48
Speaker 5: of injuries that that that baby Carolina suffered. I mean
39:52
Speaker 5: I almost want to cry. And and you're right, Nancy.
39:55
Speaker 5: You know, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior,
39:59
Speaker 5: and we see someone who engage in statistic violent behavior
40:03
Speaker 5: against vulnerable children, and so more than likely if something
40:08
Speaker 5: could have happened, and the same thing would have happened
40:10
Speaker 5: to baby Emmanuel. So I I are there other things
40:15
Speaker 5: that could have happened, sure, but the most likely thing,
40:18
Speaker 5: the most probable thing, is that these two parents engaged
40:22
Speaker 5: in some nefarious act and baby Emmanuel is now gone
40:26
Speaker 5: and we're struggling to.
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Speaker 2: Try to find him.
40:27
Speaker 1: You know that. Let's clarify when you say gone, you
40:30
Speaker 1: mean did.
40:31
Speaker 4: I do mean dead?
40:32
Speaker 3: Yes.
40:33
Speaker 1: In the last days, Jake Harrow and why Rebecca Harrow
40:37
Speaker 1: are in court.
40:38
Speaker 2: Jake Harrow has a public defender who entered a not
40:41
Speaker 2: guilty pleave for him at a raiment, and Rebecca Harrow's
40:43
Speaker 2: court appointed private counsel, Jeff Moore, entered a belief not
40:46
Speaker 2: guilty for her. More from the firm Blumenthal and Moore
40:50
Speaker 2: previously represented Louise and David Turpin, the parents serving a
40:54
Speaker 2: life sentence now for abusing their thirteen children for years.
40:58
Speaker 2: In court, Gaegaro's wearing jail is you'd read jumpsuit indicating
41:02
Speaker 2: he is not in general population for his own protection,
41:04
Speaker 2: and Rebecca har wearing blue jail uniform for the same reasons,
41:08
Speaker 2: so they're.
41:09
Speaker 1: Getting protected from the other inmates. I got a question, Tobey,
41:13
Speaker 1: why do you hire defense attorney that lost the durping case?
41:20
Speaker 7: Great question, And I happen to know who defense counsel is.
41:24
Speaker 7: He is private, but he's court appointed, so he was
41:26
Speaker 7: not privately retained. He was appointed by the court at
41:30
Speaker 7: taxpayer expense. This young couple is impoverished. They don't have
41:34
Speaker 7: a potter or window to spend on private counsel.
41:37
Speaker 1: Are you trying to make me feel sorry for them
41:39
Speaker 1: because they can't afford a high price defense attorney like you?
41:42
Speaker 1: They got a high price defense attorney. His name is
41:45
Speaker 1: Jeff Moore and he's with Blueminthall and Moore, and he
41:48
Speaker 1: lost a case of Louise and David Turpin. They got life.
41:51
Speaker 7: The firm has a contract with Riverside County to pick
41:54
Speaker 7: up all conflict cases where the public defenders declares a
41:57
Speaker 7: legal conflict of interest. So they are on an annual
42:01
Speaker 7: contract where they're basically paid a lump sung to represent
42:04
Speaker 7: everybody brought in on conflict during a contractual period.
42:08
Speaker 1: Well, they landed in a pot of honey yet again
42:10
Speaker 1: getting a vetterman trial lawyer. That's not all we hear,
42:15
Speaker 1: Dave mac that these two demons from hell that are
42:19
Speaker 1: presumed innocent until proven guilty are wearing special jumpsuits, which
42:25
Speaker 1: means they're not in ginpop general population.
42:28
Speaker 2: Why, well, it's for their own protection because of the charges, Nancy.
42:32
Speaker 2: At least that's what we're being led to believe because
42:35
Speaker 2: you know, we all have heard jail house stories of
42:38
Speaker 2: how people who hurt children are treated with the way
42:43
Speaker 2: they should be treated. It's that's for their own protection.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac those two turpins are alive and well, and
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Speaker 1: you and I got to pay for three hots and
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Speaker 1: a cot for those two again demons, straight straight from hell.
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Speaker 1: They're from hell. All those children abused, starved, beaten, kept
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Speaker 1: literally in chains in closets. Now the question is are
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Speaker 1: these two cats and a barrel going to turn on
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Speaker 1: each other? And I've got an indicator they will.
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Speaker 2: Jake and Rebecca o'haro were brought in through separate doors
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Speaker 2: at opposite sides of the court room. They did not
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Speaker 2: appear to look at each other, and Jake Carrow kept
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Speaker 2: his eyes on the judge. Rebecca Harrow was kept out
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Speaker 2: of direct view by her private attorney appointed by the court,
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Speaker 2: Jeff Moore from Bloomin Dalen Moore.
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Speaker 1: Don't you just love it, DBA when your client and
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Speaker 1: the co defendant won't even look at each other in court.
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Speaker 1: I've seen them sitting right beside each other in court
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Speaker 1: and they look the other way. They won't even look
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Speaker 1: at each other. I smell a state's witness, and I
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Speaker 1: think the state's witness is going to be Rebecca Harrow.
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Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't get a sweetheart deal to testify
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Speaker 1: against her husband. State. You don't need her, You don't
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Speaker 1: need her to prove this case. What about it?
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Speaker 7: Debate, But I think you're absolutely correct, and I've said
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Speaker 7: it from day one. I think most Rebecca was an
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Speaker 7: accessory after the fact, meaning she was not complicit in
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Speaker 7: the underlying homicide, but may have had a hand in
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Speaker 7: covering it up so that her husband wasn't arrested.
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Speaker 4: Still a crime.
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Speaker 7: The legal goodness for Rebecca is that that only carries
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Speaker 7: three years at halftime and does not have a lifetop.
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Speaker 7: So if in exchange she testifies against me for three years, I.
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Speaker 1: Come curious, are you actually on something. This woman is
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Speaker 1: not getting three years and walking free. That's not happening.
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Speaker 1: The state doesn't even need her. You don't think she
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Speaker 1: was there when baby Emmanuel was killed. She took in
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. What proof do you have?
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Speaker 7: But what proof is there that she had a hand
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Speaker 7: in the murder if there even was a murder.
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Speaker 4: Seriously, it's my understanding the evidence if.
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Speaker 1: There even was a murder. Did you just say that, Yes,
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Speaker 1: you're a lot of credibility right now to Bay, I
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Speaker 1: could understand.
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Speaker 7: As to him, But what do you have on her
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Speaker 7: other than she's got a black guy in a parking
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Speaker 7: lot saying somebody said, oh lot kidnapped, the kidden purportedly
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Speaker 7: drove off right now, You've got nothing saying that she
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Speaker 7: had a hand in that murder if there was a murder.
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Speaker 1: To make matters worse. In a jail house interview after
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Speaker 1: her arrest, Rebecca Hoddo says her husband quote would never
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Speaker 1: hurt an infant, and declared her own innocence. She lies
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Speaker 1: not just for herself but for her killer husband. Remember
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Speaker 1: the husband had a conviction for child abuse involving another
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Speaker 1: incident with an ex wife. That child suffered so badly
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Speaker 1: with broken bones, of brain hemorrhage and now cerebral palsy.
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Speaker 1: But guess what he got probation and work release in
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Speaker 1: that case and then went on to murder baby Immanuel.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as sun falls Nancy Grace Crimes story,
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Speaker 1: signing
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Speaker 4: Off good bye,