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Episode 232: Misbegotten (SG-A 3.02) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and thirty two took in Stargate Atlantis. My
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name is Mitch. Joining me around the room, around the grounds. We'll
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just check in the western stands. Brendan Gibson, Hey mate, how are
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you doing? And joining us from the eastern suburbs. Maddie Gibson. Oh,
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get a Mitchell. It's a great day for a game of sport for
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all of the sports and things. Look what sports ball? We're on the
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Pegas Project. Next week we're in the Pegas's GLXY. This week starg At
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Atlanta's episode two of season three, Miss Begotten. Now, if you listen,
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last week we found our physical that included the snop Seas. We're back
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on track, although that was what I thought until I pull out. Now,
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what do we call these ones? Yeah, that's well, that's not
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an am case fit. That's the that's the fat Boys, that's the Fat
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Daddy's No, it's not. What about the well because that's five individual Amray
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cases. Yes, that is a box set of five individual a Yeah,
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the fat box set. Yeah, the idea. I didn't give those ones
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a name. That's they're they're the thick thick boys. Okay, thick boys.
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Yeah, medium thick. That comes from white thick. It'scott a flashart.
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He calls them a that's a thick boy. Thick boy, yeah,
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thick boy. All right, whatever it is doesn't have a body snop chicken,
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yeah, son of a bitch. Should we do IMDb or something.
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I've got IMDb ready to go, and I went to read out what is
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right in front of me, and I realized it's actually a review, like
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you told IMDb linked I get Atlanta's Misbicotten TV episode two thousand and six.
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Instead of having a snops underneath it, It's got a review that obviously features
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a little bit later on down. They should have an fan wiki on them.
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I mean it is over here on the about, so I do have
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one. But I'm only mentioning that because I do actually want to see what
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the rest of this review says, because it's it's quite a tease. But
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what this says about the synopsis? A dangerous situation develops when the Atlanta's team
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set up a prisoner of war camp for former rates. Meanwhile, the Ioway
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continues its investigation into doctor Weir written by Joe and Paul. Is that right?
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Is that right? Maybe they gave him too much work. Wow,
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early up and then four weeks in a row. Can we hang on as
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we as we as? I usually do talk about the names of episodes,
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especially these later ones, because I can never remember them. So this episode
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is misbegotten. I think it's in regard to Weir, because as I like
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to call her miss begotten. That's to her, Oh, mis begotten something
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miss begotten. Yeah, but the So I got out my old twenty eleven
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Oxford Diction Dictionary to find the actual meanings of Then there's three meanings of this
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meaning Number one badly conceived or planned example, someone's forgotten idea of approving a
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Wraith experiment. Definition two. No, this is a dictionary, bro,
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This is all Beckett. This is all Beckett, and his bullshit was from
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Elizabeth. Thank you. Definition two contemptible used as a term of abuse.
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Example, Elizabeth misbegot her power as the leader of Atlantis by sending Ronan to
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kill the Ponytail guy. That didn't even happen in this episode. Man,
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this is the diction, and he wasn't going to kill him. He was
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going to torture him. Number three archaic of a child, illegitimate the US
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President appointed a misbegotten civilian in charge of the SGC. I'm on Google and
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it says Elizabeth the example Taylor in charge. Fail the example in strus again.
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The example of badly conceived or plan is someone's misbegotten idea of an English
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country house because why because in Britain, because Irish or Scottish, wherever the
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is, because in Beckett, any stupid idea. This was the stupidest idea.
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Don't blame all of Great Britain. I get that. Get the great
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British Ambassadorini out. It was in the Oxford diction area. This is why
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we don't Google sometimes, because we end up googling too much. Okay,
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google my brains out, missus forgotten. You are misogynistic. No I'm not,
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mate. Let's let's listen back. There's a lot of clips here.
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Oh my god, here we go. No, I don't have an oh
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good, No, like she she's just as fallible as Hammond was. Like
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Hammond was a cat fishing son of a bitch for seasons, and we all
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found it delightful because he's just had that Southern charm. Well, I think
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it was because s g one would always pull through the skin of their teeth
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and yeahs like they've they've up so much shit. Even this one is called
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misforgotten. Yeah, but they conceived plan. They got through at the end
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by the skin of their teeth. We didn't even get to see it.
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That's how skin of the teeth it was. They just cut away from it
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and went, well, I mean I had the feeling we had them all
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in captivity, all these wraiths, we beat them, we got past,
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they're all in the stasis pods. I just thought we could have just the
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Walking Dead walking another Walking Dead reference, like through knife, through the chain
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link fence type thing, through the through the membrane, and you don't even
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need to do that. Just leave them in stasis, remember how because it
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was draining the power. Yeah, but remember how wet. No, that
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was until like they could make what was it Rodney said something about, oh,
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I wasn't going to make it back to Atlantis or something. Now they're
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in orbited in Atlantis because that's when that's when the Dadalust broke off landed in
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Atlantis. That so that ship that but the ship was empty by that point,
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wasn't it. No, that was when they're in orbit of Atlantis and
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then they were and then then this episode is the idea of them going to
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drop them off, and oh I thought, sorry that Jacob guy, but
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I thought they dropped everyone off to the planet. No, because they showed
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them before they brain. Yeah, I thought that was all before they got
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back to Atlanta's. I didn't realize they came back to Atlantis then went oh,
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let's go put all these Hive guys on a different planet. I thought
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they dropped all them off before the Hive ever made it back to Atlanta.
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Because remember Rodney says, oh, sorry, Shepherd says, maybe Taylor has
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the gene to ride the ship, and then he goes, oh, it's
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worth a shot. And she was there in charge of Atlantis mis forgotten plan.
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So to have an unveted alien in charge of Atlantis. Ah, yeah,
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I'm gonna try and get over this weird thing. Bro. She wasn't
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even there. She was back on she gave it to Yeah. I mean
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when she showed up the first couple of seconds, good old Chuck and we're
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on the at the SGC and were walking around, I'm like, oh shit,
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that's right. Yeah, she's still here, of course, yes,
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And I'm like Why wasn't like last week had enough connection? Like then they
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mentioned Atlantis and I just again not to speak too much about the Pegasus project,
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but I have I have watched ahead to that episode, and is it
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real like such a connective tissue really between last week, this week's Atlantis,
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and next week's SG one. Why wasn't weir like? Why didn't she feature?
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Was wasn't she in the background? Okay, I guess it's an actor.
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You got to pay someone, blah blah blah. But why not have
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her just somewhere in last week's episode to remind the audience that's she is?
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It ties into this week? And again, maybe you're dragging in over SEMESCHI
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one fans that haven't wanted to make the jump to the spin off or or
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something, or even just for us the fans that watch both. Obviously I'm
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watching Atlanta for the first time now, but I'm speaking on behalf of what
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I am now. Back then, she was there. Why not have her
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there when next week the shows are so crossed over. We could have been
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peppering that through last week a little bit more this week, and then it
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just goes full blown. Well, even if she wasn't In last week's SG
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one episode, Woolsey was even even a throwaway line he's just finished with Dr
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Weir and now he's working with Vala yeah or something like that. Before looks
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in there, he's like, tell doctor where I'll be there in ten minutes,
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so you would yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. Anyway,
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what's weird to me is that in the end the asgard dropped them off
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and we don't see it. We don't see it, so off camera then
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mention it, yeah, Wolsey and we are got a one way ticket to
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Pegasus in as guardship and we didn't see a second of it. Any Think
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all the years literally years that we have spent on s G one where they've
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went in the urgency, like we guys, we have not got enough ships,
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and even when they do have enough ships, like yeah, get in
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contact with we can't get in contact with even when we do have enough ships
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and we can get in contact with them. Now they're busy with other stuff
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and then they're asking them just to ferry a couple of across the universe and
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they're like, guys, all you had to do was ask will drop everything?
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Replicators what you guys be gone? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,
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that was so bad. Yeah, Joe and Paul obviously you just hadn't found
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their stride yet. Coming back from the high I used to being on Earth.
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We're another galaxy were to get there, we don't. I'm just going
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to start feel it's almost like We're and Woolsey could have been on Daedalus with
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these guys. This could have been before the Atlantis one. Yeah, yeah,
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it's weird. And the Vegas's project could have been before this one,
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before this Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, because
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then they could have been on the dad List. Yeah, oh yeah,
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that was sorry. Yeah, they all could have come together. Yeah,
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you know, you're right, that would have been some really cool sort of
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overlappy stuff. But I wonder it's weird because my brain goes, Okay,
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maybe they didn't want to do too much overlappy because as we know, a
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lot of people who are watching SG one weren't watching Atlantis, so maybe it
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was too much interconnectivity. But then next week the episode takes place of the
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st one episode takes place in the Pegasus galaxy on all the Pegasa sets meeting
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We're regardless. Yeah, yeah, no, that would have that would have
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been kind of cool actually, and again they could have we could have had
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more Weirvala and Daniel scenes on the Odyssey, you know, could have had
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well, I can deal with that, could have had everyone there was.
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There was another little weird connection on the on the Race Human Planet. The
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Lathan guy like the kind of main white haired guy who went well and the
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ended up getting killed by Michael because there was some very questionable white wigs in
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this episode and some very hard wig lines. But Lathan, because he was
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like the most prominent one, got the nice one. That's old Wez hair.
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That's masturbating Weir's hair from before I sleep, wondering why that was sticky.
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Yeah that makes sense. Yeah really that looked pretty good. Yeah,
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they just really there was just actuly hair. No, no, that well
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compared to the other. Yeah, that was the one that was the one
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good weed that haves wig they had, So they gave that to the most
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prominent guy who got the most sort of close up screen time. But they
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just borrow some of the Elvish wigs from Lord of the is the good quality
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stuff. There were some rough ones in the background, and then it was
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so weird because then there was the other big drone guys that just had shaved
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heads as well, and then just contin with his in sync boy band spik
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spiky gelled brunette with frosted tips. What do you mean I think we should
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trust this guy? Did you look to be talking? That's naturally occurring,
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is what they're saying. His hair naturally looks like that, spiky and and
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dumb. Like it's funny if Beckett was just doing his hair. Oh,
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Beckett wants to suck his dick so hard? Oh my god, the way
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would you like some tips dick? My dick tests like huggis and uh and
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and tablet that's Scotland. I should probably mention that what the tablet the fudge?
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I get it. Guys. Again, of all the things I've said
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on this podcast, the one thing to roll everybody up was was all the
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Irish people going or Scottish people. I can never recot. Tablet is not
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fudge. And also it is. It is milk and sugar cooked together,
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just in a different way. You showed us the map of the Shetland.
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Yeah, yeah, it's an island way up past. Yeah, like you
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had zimmed and we're like, oh, that's the tip of it kind of
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looks. I thought I thought Shetland was the town, but a Shetland was
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actually the name of that hulk and island. Yeah, that's what I was
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like, it's got to be as north as you can. Yeah, I've
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become addicted to her. TikTok Now it's fantastic. Yeah, I was away,
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like nobody debated the incest thing. Yeah, not a single Scottish person
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got offended by the fact that Brendan said they were all incest on Shetland.
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But they all got upset that I said tablet was fudge. Maybe Shetland is
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the TASMANI your priorities and you had the equivalent of all the mainland Australians the
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mainland Scottish. Yeah, going, no, it's different, it's different.
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How dare you? But the incest stuff, You're like, well, yeah,
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I mean we say that as well. We also we also throw that
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sledge at them. Beckett sucking Michael's dick, Yes, oh my god.
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In the way you feel about Weir is the way I'm starting to feel about
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Beckett. Yeah, yeah, and it's never happened before until this rewatch.
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Yeah me too, just the just ridiculous nature that he has this thing.
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And I think it goes back to his guilt over the hoff and drug and
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all the people that died on the Hoffen planet because he's up or whatever with
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the with the they were going to be immune to the raith or whatever.
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He's you know, he's guilt that the blonde check that he was a you
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know, worried. So like he's obsessed with the idea that wraith aren't wraith.
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They're humans that have had something done to them in the same way in
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the Milky Way galaxy, we would be like, oh, go Wold has
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taken over that human's body. No, a wraith is born a wraith.
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He uses medical technology to alter them on a genetic level to make them look
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like him. And then when the idea does it didn't work with Michael,
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he didn't work with one person on Atlantis. Why would you think it work
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with two hundred people on in a tent. And then when they're all like,
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well, I guess it's time we just you know, bomb the place
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from orbit or stuff, that he's like, no, I they're human off,
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they're not human, And why does it matter? Like, well,
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they're not human? Because if you'd stop and inoculating them exactly. He's he's
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like forcing them to be to be what he wants them to be, like
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chemically with these drugs, and if he just stopped them being put on those
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drugs, they would naturally revert back to wraith and they wouldn't be human anymoybe.
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I just find it icky, and I wish, like good sci fi
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would draw analogy, like if this happened today, I bet you you could
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draw a parallel between you know, people with gendysphoria and things like that,
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using you know, chemicals to change through their You could actually get a really
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interesting dichotomy and talk about that kind of stuff using this as an allegory.
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But it's just kind of washed over and it's just like, oh, so
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you can kill them when they're wraith, but now that they're human, you
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can't kill them. Yes, they're still living beings. Like that's like saying,
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okay, the Americans when they were in, you know, at war
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with the Middle East. Oh, we give all those Middle Eastern people an
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injection to make them white suddenly need to be okay, and we wouldn't,
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you know, we wouldn't want to kill them because they look like us don't
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make sense, just dumb and war and I hate Beckett for it. He's
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really getting on my nerves. And did he double down at the end once
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he was freed, and then they were talking again about the fact that hey,
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well look there's there's more people, there's more of out there, blah
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blah blah, and he was like, it's not too late. And I'm
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like, what do you You wouldn't you They just prove to you that.
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It's like they cannot tortured you. They don't want to be saved. They
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cannot be saved. They did their best to extract information that were like he
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said, I'm going to take years off your life. I'm going to kill
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you slowly. You've seen this happen. I'm going to do this to you
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slowly until you tell me what I want. And at the end you're like,
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yeah, but if I could just make him understand, it's like,
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bro, just yeah, like its close your eyes, walk out the room.
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While then like Ron and his storms, he goes, they're about to
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be casualties more. Yeah, push the button, Joe. You shouldn't have
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brought that doctor. I should have brought him here and executed and Polish style
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US end of the watch too many movies, Bye bye. But the But
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why did they even tell Carson that they had a fail safe nuke? Yeah
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exactly, he's a medical doctor and he would have actually been against it anyway.
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Yeah, I understand that human they would have said it in the briefing,
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but at the same time, they surely did have him. He should
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have been in there, wouldn't have been in that briefing. Yeah, that's
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where, Yeah, the TV next gets caught up where it's like, you
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don't leave, you don't leave the guy by himself with like knows about the
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foul say, yeah, two hundred raiths. Well, and here's the other
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thing, ten and ten humans. What was even less than that? It
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was like, yeah, it was like ten to one. It was it
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was like three SG personnel and Beckett like it wasn't even a full SG team.
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But on the two hundred thing, Shepherd says, the official count just
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under two hundred, So the official count is not an actual number. The
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official count is just under two hundred. Literally, like, the official count
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is literally just under two hundred, right, the official count is a number.
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Imagine if like the vote we went through is like the official count is
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about forty get all the way ridiculous. I mean I think I lost can
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Yeah, it's official now it's on the paper again. So if we lose
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a race, we don't actually know totally all the way. Yeah, you
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know, what I was thinking during the week was that, you know how
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we're all big on equality in this room. I just thought it'd be nice
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if Michael that wasn't set up to a joke. By the way, I
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was actually thinking you might laugh at me. I was about to, and
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then I realized you're being genuine, and I was like, holy finally after
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eight years. It was kind of a set up few to laugh. But
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I think it would have been better if Michael was actually Michelle. Like the
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episode Michael was called Michelle and it was a female, because the contrast turn
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would have been greater to have, like an innocent lady who's lost her memory,
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doesn't know what to do, and then turns into a queen and she
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goes fucking like there would have been a bigger contrast for me. Yeah,
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her being a queen and then like it's a bigger twist, she's a Wraith
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queen. She would have been a better adversary her power she could have wielded
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would have been more massive, she could have actually had more wraith on her
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side. But then also, imagine if conversely in this way, where the
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cerum only works on the male wrath not the female rath. Imagine if the
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serum only worked on female wraith, so they only turn female wraith human,
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and then the male wraith have a choice to either kill every single one of
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their queens and be fucked yeah, or submit. Yeah. I mean they
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retroactively did the imuan thing with the queens after the microel episode, but I
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yeah, yeah, I thought that would but yeah, that's even a better
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twist. Yeah, well yeah, like like I was saying before, like
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I watching this episode in twenty twenty three, the conversations about what they're doing
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to this wraith make me kind of feel it could almost today be an allegory
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for trans rites. And that's kind of stuff because it's like Beckett, even
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though Beckett is the one changing them from how they were born to what they
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are now, it's kind of it's the flips of that, and they're saying,
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you're trying to make us what you want us to be, let us
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be what we were born in side. So the race is saying, let
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us just be Raith no matter what we look like. No matter what we
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look like on the outside side, inside we are always Raith. No matter
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how you try and change our outsides, we are we are on the inside.
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So it's like, I like that allegorical nature of using the sci fi
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thing to spin that in the way trans people have to go, well,
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my outsides don't match my inside, so I have to change them. Beckett
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is changing their outsides, but their insides are there being like, no,
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I need to be this other thing that you're not letting me be by giving
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me these drugs to make me be something I don't want to be. And
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I think that's that's what good sci fi does. But an old homophobic Cooper
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over here just fucking won't. I love your idea of it being Michelle instead
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of Michael. I'd never thought of that. That would be That would have
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been amazing, because you can imagine, because a woman could play something so
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innocent's natural nature is like the contrast between innocent the power structure queen yeah,
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and the powerstry. I mean, look you look at at Buffy the vampire
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slader. That the whole reason that exists is because Josh when I hate to
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bring up Joss because but his idea in the beginning was it was it was
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a flip the script on every single horror movie where it's a Jamie Lee Curtis
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or whoever it may be. You know, the damsel in distress, the
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feet like the Drew Barrymore in Scream that always gets killed at the start of
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the movie. What if we give that dumb blonde girl superpowers and she's actually
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the hero and she you know, you think the demon's going to in the
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dark alley, the vampire is going to bite her and kill her. She
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actually kills the vampire. Yeah, so you're right. Watching Michelle would be
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like, oh, there's this weird power damonic where there's this woman who doesn't
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have any power. She's confused, she's she's alone, she's hurt, and
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it turns out all these white men are taking her power away from her.
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And then it turns out she's a fucking queen of a hive. Yeah,
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he goes hot and like, you know, once she transforms the court,
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then they could have gone a full can carry route and she could have just
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wrecked shop. Yeah, Ah would have been mad. I was just thinking
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that during the week. That's genus and that's the that's the opposite of us
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say you know whatever. It's like, well, if you you know,
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if you made it a man instead of a woman, it wouldn't be exampable.
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This is where it would have made it a thousand times, because we
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were talking about like last week, Michael, he's just some plub ye,
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some random and then he's going to the queen. Why didn't you tell me?
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She's like, GoF man, Yeah, I don't have to tell you.
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Ship. They could have tied it into the two parter with juill State
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where she was the young thing. They could have tied into that and said,
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oh, we found her with such and such, and it's like,
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oh, if we turn a wraith queen, she can then do something and
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turn all her subject, you know, instead of having to convert every single
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race male with the drug. If you give it to the queen, maybe
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in the same way it's like a bee, right, if you take the
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queen out and the hive follower. Yeah, and she has the royal jelly
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and that all the other but like the bugs give her honey. Imagine if
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they established there was some kind of weird genetic connection to a queen and her
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hive, and by converting a queen into a human, she could somehow almost
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disseminate that to the rest of her hive and actually nullify an entire hive just
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by infecting the queen. Ah, that would be so good. Then you
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wouldn't mind her coming back. Yeah, this needs to be the reboot.
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They need to rework this for the reboot. The other thing that was weird
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for me when they dropped off all the Wraith humans to the to this planet,
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why would they even tell them they're from another planet because and then now
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they're obsessed with getting off the planet. Well, what was the cover story?
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Because they also asked why there's no women, and they sort of the
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cover story was, Ah, the the the disease you guys have is only
25:02
affecting the males and we as these other humans without white hair are immune as
25:07
well. So you guys are here isolated until we can find a cure or
25:11
whatever. Why I even go through all that? Yeah, Like when with
25:15
Michael, it was like, hey, you're one of us. Yeah,
25:17
your name's Michael. Don't you remember you're part of the army. Yeah?
25:19
Bro, Yeah, Well just like that. It was like, oh,
25:22
well that didn't work, Whereas, like you said, with Beckett, he's
25:26
like, oh it didn't that didn't work. Let's do the exact same thing
25:29
to heap some more people in a far more uncontrolled environment. Whereas the backstory
25:33
with Michael, well that didn't help, but there's no way that we could
25:37
make that work for everybody. Whereas if you told two hundred people that,
25:41
then they're all going to be okay with it rather than just be like,
25:42
hey, little carrot, I'm just gonna dangle this out of your head and
25:45
not gonna give you all the answers. So yeah, And the worst part
25:48
of this plan is that it relied on them like applying the drugs to themselves,
25:56
Like Beckett was teaching the wraith to administer the drug and I'm like,
26:00
and then he couldn't keep up anywhere and they were reverted, and I was
26:04
like, I was like, Bro, you as Beckett couldn't maintain Michael yea
26:11
as a professional with all of the information, you couldn't keep one guy under
26:18
control, And you think they're going to keep themselves under control by like,
26:22
bro, Bro, go back, go back to Earth and look after your
26:26
dead turtle like you are useless, You are absolutely useful. I think the
26:32
most interesting part of this episode was that they can kind of use their powers
26:37
together, and you know how they huddled around the fire and that was so
26:41
cringe though, the the chanting around the around a fire. I was like,
26:48
you're right, it's a cool idea. I imagine that's what they would
26:49
have done in ancient times, you know when they would initially, I guess,
26:56
but it's just like it's like, what are they going to do on
26:59
a ship retroactively change it? But if if there if they're ships damaged and
27:03
they need to call for help and they don't have any uh radio in their
27:07
ship, what are they going to do? Start a fire? And I
27:11
like the idea of them groupping their powers together and allowing to give them longer
27:15
distances and stuff like that, but just the power around the fire and the
27:19
and the vaguely Native American chanting was a little bit off putting for me.
27:23
Well, I just felt like they it was almost like because they didn't have
27:27
their memory, but they had like an instinct instinct. Yeah they would do
27:32
that, yeahs ancient muscle memory, the same the same way you can walk
27:37
around your kitchen like in the dark and know where you're going without without having
27:41
to think about it, or you know that the cutlery draw is usually the
27:44
top drawer. Yeah, and you you instinctively know that whatever kind of person
27:48
you are, whether you put you know, forks, spoons, knives or
27:52
knives, spoons, knives, spoon knife, you know, whatever all you
27:55
put in, you always know to reach for the middle one with it.
27:56
You don't have to look. Yeah, you just be like yep to someone
28:00
else's kitchen. Yeah. I just liked the idea that they could collectively call
28:04
call home. Yeah, yeah, I like that. I like, yeah,
28:07
I like that idea. I just didn't like the campfire and the and
28:10
the it was a little odd because up until like the first moment when they
28:15
got down there and you know, because it was like, hey, this
28:18
is what we're going to do to these people. And the next scene you've
28:21
got Shepherd and Ronan walking through that camp and they've all been turned into humans,
28:26
and that was that was creepy. That was sort of like, I
28:30
guess, you know, we're throwing around zombie references, but like the World
28:34
War Z where he was like he had that essentially the cure where they couldn't
28:37
smell him, and he was walking the laboratory and all the zombies are around
28:42
him, but they didn't want anything to do with him because he was no
28:45
different to them by that point, and that was like a similar sort of
28:48
thing. They were very different. But like they're walking through there's humans everywhere,
28:52
but these humans are wraiths that don't know that they're wraiths, and they're
28:56
just like, yeah, this is fine, Like they're walking through sort of
28:59
floating with danger, even though these guys are completely okay, but you don't
29:02
know that one of them is not going to remember something. And I just
29:03
thought it was such a tiny scene, fifteen twenty seconds sh one shot.
29:08
I don't even think it cut to anything. I thought, this, that's
29:11
creepy. That's that's a really scary moment. It's in the middle of the
29:15
day. The tone was fun, like the lighting, it was full,
29:18
everything, everything pointed in a direction. This was completely okay, not just
29:23
the creepy guys walking around stoic sort of like long white hair, going what
29:27
am I? Where am I from? But I just thought but their first
29:30
thought was where are the girls? Yeah? Yeah, if Peter Delawiz had
29:36
done this episode, there would have been a cut scene where after they finished
29:38
chanting around the fire, they'll sit down on this and they go so that
29:42
opening on our hand has anyone and then and they wind up having a circle
29:48
jerk. They all having a circle jerk where they you know, the other
29:52
guy reaches to the guy next to him. Why they yeah, yeah,
29:56
yeah, wanted to say, yeah, he wanted to get inside Michaels hammers.
30:00
He would need some new hand within. He would have been fucking licking
30:02
the flaps of that thing. Jesus like a Postroami sandwich. No, And
30:10
then you know, back on the other side of things, you got Woolsey
30:14
there, who's throwing his weight around and his judgment over Weir, whether she's
30:18
fit enough, she's up and hate she's being facetious as all hell. Joe
30:23
and Paul improved Gira wrong though. Remember in the season open when Geara was
30:27
like, oh, I couldn't I couldn't make this scene funny. Yeah,
30:32
cut to this episode, We've got Woolsey. Just the moment of him sitting
30:34
down next to Weir and her having to like move all her shit over that
30:37
was gold or even last week when he's like he's like, yeah, so
30:45
Joe and Paul. These obviously aren't great examples in terms of an episode as
30:48
a whole. These last two episodes have proven by the Wolsey is actually a
30:53
great and I like Roberocado in Star Trek as well as a great comedic actor.
30:57
Yeah that's okay. The first episode I ever watched was was him and
31:02
Andy Dick just doing it, just the whole episode of them just like at
31:04
each other, gold and yeah. And then by the end when he says,
31:10
you're the right person to lead this for now, like it was sort
31:12
of it wasn't completely letting go of what we've known him to be for so
31:17
long, but Bloody Willsey. We almost had a gone following him from the
31:21
threads of the last couple of episodes across on the other show where he's started
31:26
to go, hey, I see it from your point of view. I
31:27
represent them, I'm still for them, but also see it from your point
31:32
of view, And I thought, good, this is another big step.
31:34
Yeah, because he really altified that report. At the end, he's like
31:37
the IOWA don't need to know. Yeah, He's like, no, but
31:41
that's not what happened. He's like, yeah, but they don't care.
31:45
We should be telling the truth and like basic which does basically I wish they
31:52
would have made that at something going forward with Weir is that she learnt not
31:56
to be so truthful and give all the informat because I feel like that's what's
32:00
her over. She is being completely transparent, giving the way everything is,
32:06
saying like all her cards and saying we're allies, we're all working, we're
32:09
all part of the way, We're all part of this team. Here's what
32:13
I'm doing. Take it, you know, take it or leave it,
32:16
whereas Wolves is like, no, there's shades of gray here. She's supposed
32:21
to be the world's best. She should know that, well, yeah,
32:23
but I guess mis forgotten title she's I think she's obviously not realizing that.
32:31
Yeah, she thinks they're all on the same team because they're all part of
32:36
the SGC, you know, the Stargate program. Got to play the game.
32:38
Yeah, you got to play the game, you know. I felt
32:40
like he was trying to tell her that, yeah, And I wish that
32:44
was something that that picked up for. But I feel like Elizabeth doesn't actually
32:46
learn anything from from this, and I will, I will. What's the
32:52
word you're not I'm really had an audio. I will conceive I do,
33:00
I will conceivee the point to you that I know, like because of the
33:04
order commentaries and the even and stuff I've read, every single writer except for
33:07
Brad has said, we didn't know what to do with Weir. We didn't
33:10
understand we didn't we didn't know what her voice was, we didn't know what
33:15
her character was. We didn't understand her and how to write her. And
33:19
that's why that's probably the thing that Brendan is bumping up against. But Brad
33:22
was very much no, she's an integral part of this, of this She's
33:27
she's the Daniel, she's the moral center, she's the So yeah, whenever
33:31
it's Brad writing the episode, that's kind of a lot of Weir's best stuff
33:36
because he gets her and he always fought for her as a character, whereas
33:42
yet all the other writers were very much like, we don't know what to
33:44
do with weir Man, we don't get it. So I think that's obviously
33:47
what you know when she's not at her best. I think that's what.
33:52
Yeah. I feel like Jake and Joe and Paul have just like showing Brad
33:59
how shchez in this episode like for me, this is like these are all
34:05
like easy get to me, like all like I don't even think you could
34:09
defend any of these soundbys. Listen to this. This one's terrible. She's
34:13
being completely faceatious. I'm not here to lecture you on the moral complexities of
34:16
your situation. Ultimately, the IOWA has no official position on the matter one
34:21
way or the other, because when it's actually a tough decision to be made,
34:24
they suddenly have no opinion. The lives of two hundreds the life are
34:30
not high up on their list of priorities. But the way you dealt with
34:32
the recent crisis, and quite frankly, the manner in which you responded to
34:37
their authority. And there's still the issue of whether the intelligence that allowed these
34:40
hives to get as far as they did was passed to any other Raith colonies.
34:45
According to Michael, it was not. I don't have to tell you
34:49
that your willingness to trust this particular Raith is not going to make for a
34:52
strong defense. I can't pull this trial trial well. But that's the thing
35:00
though, is and it goes back to what we were just saying, is
35:01
she's giving them all the information he says, we don't know if Michael leaked
35:06
this information, and she goes, well, Michael told me he didn't.
35:10
What else do you want? Like, what other information can She probably believe
35:15
Michael, but no, But that's what I'm saying, is what other option
35:16
does she have? She's like, well, he said that, I don't
35:22
know, But what other What can she do to prove whether or not he's
35:27
lying? Nothing, There's nothing she can do, you know what I mean.
35:30
She's just being like she shouldn't have letting, like let that happen in
35:34
the first place. Yeah, but I mean the entire Atlanti's team was on
35:39
board. McKay was on board, Shepherd. The only person who was on
35:43
the board was Roman a room instead of a cell. That was a dumb
35:45
Yeah. No, but I'm talking about back in Allies when the whole deal
35:49
was made. McKay was on board, the Lanka was on board, Shepherd
35:52
was on board. They were because they wanted to peep in it. She's
35:55
supposed to be the top one going, listen, we're not the risk.
36:00
This is crazy. Yeah. But then yeah, but the McKay's going,
36:05
well, I've got isolated from our system. They can't do anything. They
36:07
come. You know, McKay's one telling her, I'm the smartest man in
36:10
the room. They can't hack our system because of the radis like, oh,
36:14
by the way, there's a trojan horse. Yeah. Yeah, and
36:16
you know, and then Weir is left holding the turd going all the quote
36:21
unquote smartest man in the Pegasus galaxy told me what they're doing right now couldn't
36:25
be done. If she'd said no, I feel like they would have just
36:30
had to go at her and been like there was an opportunity here to build
36:35
a rapport with the Wraith and you know, you know what I mean,
36:37
Like she was damned she did, Damned she didn't. Yeah, just the
36:40
way she's talking Woolsey like he's actually the only one that's close to being on
36:45
her side from the IOWA. She's like, I didn't know it's on trial,
36:49
Like facetious. He's trying to tell I would be too. I would
36:52
be. But she's supposed to be a great fucking diplomat. She should know
36:54
when to buy their tongue. Yeah. My fallback to that, because I
37:00
I know you guys love for back on my thing is like, well that's
37:01
her, that was her job. Yeah, International diplomat. She's a diplomat
37:06
in international relations. Well, how international can you get? She's in another
37:09
galaxy, bro, Yeah, but she's talking to She's talking to her bosses
37:14
like she's used to communicating with belligerent other nations. These are the people that
37:20
hired her to do her job. If I was in that instance, I
37:23
would be like, well, why do I need to negotiate with my bosses
37:27
like they're hiring me to do my job. I wouldn't be using my my
37:32
negotiator tricks on my boss. I would be I did that with my dad.
37:36
I'm faking peachy keen every time I go to a client, Like my
37:38
job is going to strangers' houses and convincing them to spend thirty thousand dollars to
37:44
put a new kitchen in their house. Right, I'm peachy keen. I'm
37:47
so fucking charming, and yeah, we can do that. We can do
37:51
that, we can do that. I get back to my office where it's
37:53
just me and my dad and he says something. I'm like, cough,
37:57
you dumb idiot. No, that's not how you can do it, you
38:00
know what I mean? Because like I don't have Yeah, but I mean
38:04
he's also my boss. So it's like, I don't I don't have to
38:06
be diplomatic with him. I should be, but I'm not like I do
38:10
in my work. Yeah, if I have to, if I have to
38:15
be judged in my performance, I can't just go, oh, really,
38:19
I didn't know I was on trial. Yeah, that's that's fair. But
38:23
the way he's Woolsey there said the way you reacted to our blah blah blah
38:29
blah, And that goes back to what I said is they pulled her back
38:32
from Peggicks's galaxy in the middle of it. You know what I mean.
38:36
That's the equation. That's that's that's the equivalent of during a matter of time,
38:42
when O'Neal is hanging down that line ready to blow that thing, can
38:47
Kinsey coming and going Hammond, I want to have a chat with you about
38:52
what's going on here right now, and taking him up to and chewing him
38:54
out for what's about to happen. And it's like, that's like walking in
38:58
the middle of open heart so and going bro the guy's hearts on the outside
39:02
of his body. It's and the doctor's like, yeah, I'm not done
39:05
yet. Am I finished? Am I finish? Does it look like I'm
39:08
done yet, so that no need to talk to your boss like that though,
39:15
that's even find another one. This is fun? Oh god, I
39:21
don't have any more good. That one was the main one. No,
39:23
But I just felt like every scene where we was in it was like remember
39:27
you this up? And I was like, oh, this is this is
39:30
I can't even search. I don't even search for things. Yeah, I
39:34
guess I relate to this. I was like if I was, I see
39:37
it and I go, well, after the bullshit they put her through last
39:39
week and the week before, I would be defensive too, mm hmm,
39:45
Like I if there's someone criticizing my decision, especially if they say you,
39:50
oh, you're good. What did he say, it's on a temporary temporarily
39:55
you're still the boss, yeah yeah yeah, well now, yeah, you're
40:00
still the leader, but it's like pending a review or something. Yeah yeah.
40:04
And then he went and sort of followed her around like kind of stuff.
40:07
But it's like, yeah, if if you're going to critique every decision
40:12
I make when you're not willing to make a decision yourself, I'm going to
40:15
get defensive too, like you're judging my choices after the fact when you weren't
40:20
even there, and then you can't even tell me what you would do in
40:22
that situation because you're not gonna You're gonna make a choice yourself. So I'm
40:27
like, I would be absolutely defensive and I'll be doing the exact same diplomat
40:31
though, Wow, true she is. Yeah, well maybe America's Yeah,
40:37
yeah, well she was the world's best diplomat. She'd probably be from Canada
40:40
or something like that, or Yewitzerland, Switzerland, or South Africa or something
40:45
like that. But yeah, she goes, she was. She was whatever,
40:50
whether who is the president president what's his name, the guy the guy
40:57
from season seven of Yeah I never president president anyway, whatever, whether he
41:02
was Democrat or Republican, she she was the best diplomat on that side of
41:09
the of the Aisle point that they had access to. Yeah, yeah,
41:17
a Democrat. God, Henry Haynes. Henry Hayes, I never got a
41:30
million years. Yeah, he was elected in two thousand and four. Guys,
41:34
just you know, so he's still halfway through his first term. In
41:37
mid terms means whatever that means. I mean, it's in the name,
41:44
it's mid term. Do you know what? Do you know what grinds my
41:46
gears. Americans, Listen up, guys, you're half American politically, listens.
41:55
Listen the motherfucker how big we are in America? Listen the mother These
42:00
cooking videos that I see on TikTok right interesting, I'm gonna put in that's
42:05
Chinese. Don't blame the American. No, it's it's Americans doing it.
42:08
It's a cup of water, half a cup of milk, one fourth cup
42:15
of cream. Yeah, guys, you do realize the main piece of currency
42:21
uses a quarter. That is because it's one quarter of a dollar. You
42:25
fuck How can you not say a quarter of a cup. Nobody like you
42:32
guys don't even use the metric system. You don't even go here. You
42:37
should be using ouncers. If you're gonna with cups, it's a quarter of
42:42
a cup. It's not a fourth of a cup. You acoustics. Oh,
42:55
if you're using a cup, it's a quarter, not a fourth.
43:00
You fucked hard. Oh it does my head, guys, that brings memories.
43:07
That's hilarious. You literally have a pocket full of quarters. Guys.
43:14
Damn, it's a quarter of a cup, quarter of a dollar, quarter
43:16
of a cup. You can run a quarter mile it's what's what's fast and
43:21
furious? A quarter mile or a half mile? Quarter mile? Quarter?
43:25
Guys, it's a quarter one fourth? Well that's so you I mean TikTokers,
43:30
mate, they're stupid. Yeah, I need a one fourth cup.
43:37
Well, I can find is a quarter cup? Yeah right, it's bullshit,
43:40
American. I can hit a one eighth cup. I can't find my
43:45
quarter cup. Stick to ouncers, guys, we have two eights my map.
43:52
Man's going, yeah, well they can't find their own country on a
43:55
map, can they? So? Well? Not the ones on Conan or
43:59
whatever and Billy Aikner. I'm sure that. Yeah, I'm sure there's heaps
44:04
that do. Yeah, and they're listening to us. They're the smart ones,
44:07
of course, of course. But if if you if you say a
44:10
fourth of a cup, we need to have a conversation, guys. Yeah,
44:15
make a video. It's p o V of me cooking with one fourth
44:20
car. I don't say it's a fourth to nine? Yeah right. Hey
44:27
remember how Taylor was in this episode? Oh yeah, for she flew the
44:30
ship a lot. Oh that's next week. I just like the No,
44:39
No, she's not in next week. No, that's that's that was this
44:42
week. That was that was yeah? She yeah, she yeah, yeah,
44:45
yeah, at very very start, she did she she did not start
44:49
out strong. I have a listen to this strut at command. This is
44:52
Atlantis. I'm here in Taylor. Any word about our people? Unfortunately?
44:59
Now, why does she pause any word? Fortunately? She said? Unfortunately?
45:07
What other word is? She's unfortunately? Yeah? You know what I
45:12
mean, like if if she's asked, if if we are asking about where,
45:16
what's happen? Any news on our team? Unfortunately? Yes, they're
45:22
fine, they're all home safe. What other thing? Why would you pause
45:25
when unfortunately? And no other than trying to expand your screen time? You
45:30
know what I mean? That's some rainbow gear, right, not gay gear,
45:35
rainbow franks. No, I got that. I got that. Yeah,
45:37
you didn't have to just for everyone outside the room. Yeah, it's
45:45
only if you Oh that's some rainbow flag year that's she wears wigs? Could
45:51
we say that instead of what did you call it? Acoustic? Acoustic?
45:57
She wears wigs? Who wears wigs? Taylor? Do you wear wigs?
46:01
Oh? When will you wear wigs? That's one for you too? Worth
46:12
it? It's such a he cracks up. Just maybe was it they get
46:30
sent around in a group or was it just something elseaid? Was the woman
46:32
rolling over like it wasn't even the Oh yeah, bet she's thinking about it,
46:37
thinking about other girls. That cuts to him, and that's what he
46:39
said. That's episode two hundred and thirty two, not Stargate, not at
46:50
all. I've getting the Gate Stargate Atlantis. That's wrapping up that. Although
46:52
we're kinda we're coming going back next week, can't we? Boys? The
46:55
Pegasus project, have you got I gave you guys one last week. Have
47:00
you bought your ponchos and drop sheets yet? I've ordered them on Amazon.
47:04
I'll be arriving this week, so we'll Oh my god. I ordered something
47:06
on Amazon the other day and it said free delivery will arrive in five days,
47:12
or expedited delivery for thirty one dollars will arrive in eleven days. I
47:15
had that the other day as well. Yeah, it was free to get
47:19
it soon sooner. Yeah, to try and get you to get no,
47:25
because then if you buy the expedited thing, it arrives later. I was
47:30
I was getting it cheaper for free. I was getting it sooner for free,
47:35
and we probably only get it for free, because we are Prime members
47:37
or Amazon members, right, So yeah it's weird. Yeah, bezos,
47:42
don't look into it because we're roading the Yeah. No, I'm happy for
47:45
this working out very well. Oh I see where you're going with this,
47:53
Elizabeth, you forgive the for mis forgotten. Joe and Paul, you'll forgive
48:07
it for mis forgotten. You forgive it gotten, you're mis forgotten. Yeah,
48:23
because they slap Jesus when they come back. There's their old little siblings,
48:30
aren't they. The brother already came when I back. Get into the
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