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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. We are recording this episode on Monday,
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August twenty first, twenty twenty three. By the time you hear this,
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somethings may have changed, but we hope you enjoyed the show. All right,
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folks, you are listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table
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That's right over ten years strong. We've got a great discussion coming your way
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here on Table Talk. We've got one of our favorite guests. She is
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from Bleeding Grenation dot com. We love talking to her. We've been talking
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to her for years on this podcast. As we are in the thick of
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the preseason, we're gonna get into some analysis of what we're seeing from this
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Eagles team. Man, I can't wait to get to this conversation, so
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let's just do it right now. It's great to have back on the podcast,
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coming to us from Bleeding green Nation dot com. We love talking to
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her. Hopefully it's going to be more than once a year. We were
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talking about that before we hit the record, but no, it's gonna be
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more than once a year. You may hear her during the course of this
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NFL season as well here in the PSD podcast show at Lovely Buckeye on the
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Twitter dot com. She is one of our favorites. We are the one
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and only Alexis Chason. How you doing, Alexis, I'm good. I'm
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so pumped up that we're in the preseason plowing. I'm doing all right.
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I cannot wait for the regular season to get here, even like I'm one
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of those nerds who just loves preseason anyway, I want to see what the
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depth is gonna look like for this Eagles team. I want to get excited
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for the type of coaching that we're gonna see, the development. I just
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love the fact that football season is here. I don't care that we're in
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preseason. Like I said, I can't wait for the regular season, but
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this preseason has been fun. I don't care about wins and losses, but
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it's been fun to watch the development of some of these players in terms of
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the depth. Yeah, I was. I had a really hard time after
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this season. I mean, I feel like losing the super Bowl it was
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such an abrupt end to something that was like crescendoing for so long that I
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had a really hard off season, Like caring about football or like moving on.
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It just felt weird, And so the preseason really felt like, Okay,
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we're leaving that behind us, and now this is like the twenty twenty
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three season. Let's see what the roster is and like let's start getting excited
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for what's ahead. So it's really been sort of like a closed chapter and
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moving on for me. Yeah, I had a few guests on over the
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course of the past month, and we talked about the fact that it was
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kind of like a slow off season for the for the Eagles, like there
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wasn't like a ton of stuff going on. Of course, free agency in
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the draft that was great, all fine and well, but it seemed like
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a slower type of off season, you know, moving into the preseason.
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And I'm just I'm so glad we're where we're at right now, and I
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wanted to I talked to you about this particular subject matter, Alexis that we've
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been getting into a little bit here on our podcasts as of late, and
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it's one that we've gotten into on one of our recent shows as well.
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And I'm interested to hear which Eagles player you might be thinking about in terms
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of not eag I'm sorry, not Eagles player, geez, in terms of
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an NFL player in general, because I'm getting tired of hearing about certain athletes
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in this league already, and the regular season hasn't even started yet, So
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I'm wondering, like, are you feeling that way about certain players in this
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league? So, like, which NFL athlete are you just incredibly tired of
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hearing about already even though the regular season hasn't even started yet? Do you
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have one in mind? I do, and it sounds really petty, but
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it's not because it has nothing to do with the Super Bowl. But it's
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Patrick Mahons. That was mine. That was mine too, Like, I
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mean, I get it. He's phenomenal and he's a great guy and he
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deserves all the accolades that he's getting. Yes, but I'm over talking about
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Yes he's going to be number one on the Top one list, Yes he's
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going to be the MVP. Yes he's going to win the SPS. Like,
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I get it, he's good. I like the Chiefs aside from losing
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to them in the Super Bowl, like big Andy Reid fan, I like
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Travis Kelsey, Like, yeah, you know, I'm going to root for
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them when they're not playing the Eagles, but like, I'm over Patrick Mahomes.
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Like, let's just see what he can do on the field. I
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mean, we know what he can do on the field. He's good.
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Yeah, great, Yeah, I was over Tom Brady for a decade.
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I'm going to be over Patrick Mahomes for a decade. Yes, that's just
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where we're at. Absolutely. I watched the Quarterback documentary on Netflix. I
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really did enjoy it. I thought it was really great to see inside Marcus
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Mariota, Kirk Cousins, and of course Patrick Mahomes, and I was just
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it made me feel as though, I'm all right, I'm tired of Patrick
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Mahomes. Here. We know he's the best quarterback of those three. And
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yes, it took us inside their lives a bit and how they were performing
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throughout the past season. But man, I would say again, it added
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an extra layer on why I am absolutely tired of Patrick Mahomes. We get
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it, you're great. We don't need to keep hearing about it. Let's
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start talking about some other developmental people in the NFL. That's my opinion me
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too. Like I've actually, I think we've been hearing a lot more about
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like Jets players like Garrett Wilson and soft Partner. But like, those are
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the guys I'm excited to hear about because it's like, yeah, they had
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great rookie seasons. Can they do it again in year two? Like,
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those are the things I'm interested in. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was good.
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Patrick Mahomes is gonna be good like those? Okay, Like that's not really
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a storyline. That's just a fact that you keep repeating over and over for
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like a year, exactly exactly. I'm right. Well, let's get into
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some Eagles talk here. Alexis so excited for this season. We all are.
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All the Eagles Nation is wanting this team to get back, of course
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to the Super Bowl, win it this time. But let's do let's do
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some crystal ball time here. Let's look into that crystal ball because there are
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so many storylines that we're gonna be following with this Eagles team. You know
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what kind of quarterback Jalen Hurts is going to continue to develop into, Whether
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a j. Brown and DeVante Smith, whether they're gonna break last year's receiving
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records as Eagles, Will Darius Slay and James Bradberry truly be the best cornerback
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duo in the NFL. So those are some storylines we're certainly going to be
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honing in on during this twenty twenty three twenty twenty four season. What do
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you think is going to be the most interesting Eagles storyline of this season in
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your opinion? What's that going to be in for you? Like, what's
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that going to be for me? It's going to be the running back position,
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all right. I think you know, we're going in running back by
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committee and like that's all well and good, but I don't think that typically
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is how the Eagles end up, like flushing out as time goes on.
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And you know, Miles Sanders certainly had his ups and downs, but he
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had games that dominated, like the run game dominated, Like you would have
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one game that A J. Brown had one hundred plus yards and then you
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had the next game that it was all on the ground. So yeah,
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I think it'll be interesting to see how like DeAndre Swift or Kenny Gainwell,
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like they have very similar skill sets, like who wins that back at all?
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Right? So I think how the running back position in general and how
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the Eagles use it is going to be one of my favorite storylines to watch
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play out, like, especially early on in the season, because I don't
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know if there's necessarily going to be an RB one really necessarily, you know.
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I talked to lud Debossi from Lockdown Eagles podcast this past week on the
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show, we were talking about that and the fact that folks are saying,
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Okay, Kenny gainwell RB one. It's like, really, is he going
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to be? I think Rashod Penny is anywhere near there? No, I
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mean, I think we're shot. Penny is a type of player where who
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knows what type of snaps he's gonna get? DeAndre Swift. Of course they
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trade for him. We've seen what he's shown us thus far. But there
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just isn't that RB one on this team. And it could be. It
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could be part of that offensive equation that Nick Sirianni wants to instill, that
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is going to keep other defenses on their heels, not knowing and understanding what
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to expect week by week with regard to the running back position. So is
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it strategic? I don't necessarily know. I think it could be, but
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part of me thinks it's kind of good that we don't necessarily have that RB
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one at this point. And I honestly think the way next Arianna seems to
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coach anyway is you know, it's very opponent based, so like what are
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the matchups that they can So there might be like, you know, DeAndre
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Swift might be RB one in week two, and then two weeks later it
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might be you know, Boston Scott or Rashaan Penny, like you know,
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where you need more of like a ground and pound kind of back. So
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it might be like running back by committee, but not in a game,
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but by game. Yes, you might see a different featured back depending on
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who they're playing which and and he loves Trey Sermon and you know, don't
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get me wrong, so do I. But you know, where he fits
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into the roster or if he makes the team or ends up on the press,
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like, that'll all be really interesting. It's gonna be very interesting,
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for sure. And it's one of the reasons why I guess I got some
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fantasy leagues coming up. Some fantasy football league is coming up. I do
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not know if I'm gonna be drafting any Eagles running backs at all. I
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really don't, because I'm just saying that, folks, Yeah, I don't
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know about you. I'm not done receiver, exact receiver exactly. All right,
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Well, moving along here, you know, I was really really worried,
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Alexis about the linebacker position coming into this season, coming into training camp
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and the preseason. Now after we've seen what this linebacker corps is doing.
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Of course, Myles Jack announced he's retiring, probably going to become a plumber
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or who knows what type of tradesman he is going to become. But again,
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we're seeing this linebacker corps here in the preseason games, and I don't
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feel as concerned as I did perhaps maybe in June or early July at this
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point. So I'm learning what are your thoughts on where the linebacker corps at
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right here at the point, and you know, as we're getting ready to
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close out August, and might we see the same level of production? This
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is what I'm really wondering too. Might we see the same level of production
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from these current linebackers that we saw last season with t J. Edwards,
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Kaisier White and what they showed us. I don't know what are your thoughts
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when it comes to linebackers here. I was very excited to see na Kobe
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Dean. I mean, obviously he didn't play a ton, But what he
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did show was that he at least had the potential that the Eagles had seen
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when they drafted him. So I was like, okay, that you know,
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he had one year under his belt. It is going to translate hopefully,
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you know, in game time. Now it seems like health might be
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a concern. I liked what Zach Cunningham did. He got a lot of
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playing time last week, so it definitely seemed like he's kind of leaning into
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being the other starter yep, next to Dean. I feel like, I
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don't know, I still don't feel like the Eagles invest enough in line like
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period, right, So I you know, t J. Edwards and Kaisier
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White, like, yes, they had productive seasons last year, but they
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weren't typically the guys we were talking about post game like you know, and
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I don't think we've really had many linebackers over the last decade that it's like,
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oh, this is the guy, Like you know, you had Malcolm
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Jenkins and you're like he's there on every play, He's always at the ball,
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flying around, Like I don't remember the last linebacker that we had,
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you know, like like Jordan Hicks, but when he was in Philly.
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He wasn't doing what he was doing in Arizona or now Minnesota. Like,
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so I think we might see the same level of production, but I don't
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know if that production is still at a high enough level for the position in
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total. I think that's interesting. Yeah, I think it's interesting because,
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like I was so grateful for Kaisier White and t J. Edwards last year
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because they weren't Alex Singleton, they weren't those linebackers Nate Gary that we have
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seen for how many years. It's just like, oh my gosh, they're
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actually a liability out there, and there are teams converting on third down because
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these guys are unable to make stops. So I completely get where you're coming
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from. However, it was a step up I think last year, and
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hopefully hopefully it remains at least remains where it was from last year. Yeah,
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I think, And obviously a lot of that is going to be you
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know, what the defense looks like. But you know, everybody has said
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they have confidence in Dean and so you know, I just don't think we've
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seen enough to really you know, like, yes, he's the guy,
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he's going to do it, He's the future. Like I don't know if
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he's that guy yet, but I mean he might be and that's kind of
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exciting. It is. It is again another storyline to watch here for this
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Eagles team in the twenty three twenty four season. And sticking with defense here,
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Alexis, I think this Eagles defensive line is just going to eat again
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this season. I mean Pro Football Focus has them ranked number one heading into
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the season and they even said Pro Football Focus said that the Eagles second string
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talent could actually make a case for being a top twenty defensive line. So,
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like, I just I wonder how this defensive line is going to perform
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against some of the top offenses in the NFL, because we know the Birds
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this year, they play the Chiefs, they play the Bills, they play
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the forty nine ers, and how are they going to stack up in terms
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of being able to get into the backfield disrupt the quarterback. I mean,
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it's gonna be tough. With Patrick Mahomes that that Super Bowl rematch halfway through
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the season, It's gonna be tough, and it's gonna it's coming right off
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the by as well. I'm wondering, how do you see this defensive line
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really combating these elite offenses that we're gonna be seeing this year on the schedule.
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I think they have a lot in their favor. I mean, obviously
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they're like dominant as a group, and you have like and you have you
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know, the veterans and the continuity of like Fletcher Cox and Josh Sweat and
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Brandon Graham, and then you've got these elite rookies or year two guys Jordan
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Davis, Jalen Carter. Like the potentials all there and there's no reason why
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they shouldn't be. I think my biggest concern is, you know, two
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years ago that was also true with Jonathan Gannon's first year and the defense really
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stalled. I mean Fletcher Cox is talking about, you know, not being
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listened to like in postgame press conferences and like he's not going to just do
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that. To do that, like, I think there was a real problem,
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and so I think a lot's going to be you know, Sean Dasai,
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Like it's his first season, so now you know, is he going
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to be able to jump in and sort of carry on what they were able
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to do last year? Is he going to try and switch things up?
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So for me, like the potentials there and the talents there, it's how
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they use it. So I just hope that they kind of stick with what
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they did last year and build on that versus, you know, changing the
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whole like equation. It's a great It's a great topic that you just mentioned,
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because I don't think a lot of folks are really talking about that,
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the fact that a new defensive coordinator and Shawn Desai are there going to be
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hiccups along the way? And what could those hiccups actually be with this defense?
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Like you said, the talent is there. They're going to be a
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top a top defensive line in the NFL, and just the defense in general
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probably going to be a top five defense this year in the NFL. But
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what type of hiccups are going to come along the way with Shawn Desai in
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a new atmosphere, new environment in game situations where he is going to have
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to understand the talent that's on the field and how to combat offenses the ones
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that we were just talking about, Chiefs Bills, forty nine ers, you
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know, some of these top offenses. How is he going to be able
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to do that. It's a really great point you make in terms of how
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are they going to combat the hiccups? You know, as great as the
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talent is, there's going to be hiccups. Yeah, And we saw a
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little bit in training camp in preseason that you know, Sirianni even moved one
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of the practices over to the link because he said it wasn't for the players,
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right. Coaches, Yeah, needed a second try after the public practice,
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and you know, communication and how that was going to work, And
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there were stories one day, you know, one of the coaches was calling
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to Sean Dasai and he didn't hear so then how he was like, no,
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it's the second team. So I wonder how that communication is going to
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affect things also, And obviously you know week one, week two, it's
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going to take some time, but you know you don't have that much time
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exactly ultimately. So so yeah, I think that it'll be an interesting transition
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to this news. Like the offense, it's like, yeah, you have
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most of the same returning characters like from the coaching staff, but the defensive
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coaching staff, I think is something that we haven't talked a lot about in
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terms of how that might be not even a liability, but just like you
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said, hiccups what hiccups might come from that. It's a it's a such
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a great point. Again, folks, we're talking to Alexis Chason from Bleeding
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Green Nation dot com. Follow her on Twitter at Lovely Buckeye. She's a
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great rate follow And as we're moving along here, I have a two part
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question for you here, because I know there's gonna be players that are going
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to surprise us on this Eagles team this season. There's gonna be players that
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disappoint us as well. No season is one hundred percent perfect. So let's
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start off with a player that you think is really going to surprise us here
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in Eagles Nation the most this season. Who is that? And why?
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So I've been thinking about it, and I don't know that I can give
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you a player, okay, but I can give you a position, all
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right, let's do it. I think punts, the punting special teams unit
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not necessarily your lips to God's ears, all right. I mean I've been
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talking about I still want Cam Johnston back from the text. Let's make that
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happen. But since but since we're going with a different Aussie, I think
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that Aaron Stefas definitely learned a lot from last year, but I think the
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special team's unit as a whole is going to pleasantly surprise us. Okay,
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I would hope, because I mean I'm going to say pleasantly surprised, because
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you know, the opposite is also true. But I do think that they're
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going to take a step up, a noticeable step up this season. I
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love that, and I really hope that does come to pass, because,
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holy cow, the special teams have always been, I say, in a
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traditional sense, just something that the Eagles can pride themselves on, and over
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these past few years, it just has not been that and they have to
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get back to it. We talk on this podcast a lot Alexis about the
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fact that special teams are so important. They don't get to do that they
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should get. Field position is so incredibly important. If your punter can get
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that ball inside the five yard line, it just provides your offense with that
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much better opportunities when they get the ball back. It just does and I
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love that. So who on the opposite side of the coin, who,
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if you have a player or position new unit, who do you think is
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going to disappoint us most of this season? It's I know, it's terrible
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to talk about and to say, but who do you think it's going to
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disappoint us this season? I feel like I feel bad even saying it,
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but I think it's going to be like Darius Slays the cornerbacks, I'm gonna
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take maybe a little hit. I mean, we saw at the end of
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last season, you know, Darius Slay got a little winded. It was
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a long season, he was a little tired. I saw some analysis with
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the Eagles releasing Greedy Williams and how that might actually affect Slay in terms of,
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you know, not being able to like not have somebody to step in
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to give him a break at times. And like, I get it,
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you're a veteran. Like along the lines they've done or the defensive line,
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they've done a great job of bringing in guys so that they can rotate.
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Like Brandon Graham's taken, you know, very few snaps, but when he
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is, he's super effective because he's like rested and he's not winded. And
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I don't think Darius Slay is going to get that. And he's already like
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in camp one day, you know they he took like he needed a break
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like in camp. Yeah, yeah, camp. So but I like I
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also still have a ton of confidence in him, so I really have a
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hard time saying it. But that's where I sort of think if we're going
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to see a drop off, it might be from him or from you know,
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the cornerback position as a whole. Yeah, Okay, I feel you.
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I feel you. I think that's a great look. And some folks
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are saying, okay, you know, because of Bradberry's age, because of
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Slay's age, you know, into their thirties now here at this point,
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that we're going to see some drop off. I don't know if we're going
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to see that simply because of their age, but it's about the amount of
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work that is going to be put on them. Are there is there going
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to be the depth for other players on this team to step up, not
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just in terms of needing a break, but if Slay or Bradberry gets gets
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a stinger in the third in the third quarter, you know who's going to
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come in to replace them? And are they going to be as effective?
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I think it's a really good, really good answer there. So to close
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us out, alexis here quarterback position, the backup quarterback position. Tanner McKee
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getting a lot of love this past week, Marcus Mariota. You know,
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people saying, yeah, he may be out of town here, So I
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mean, might Marcus Mariota be on the outside looking in when it's all said
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and done. Might he get cut? Mike Tanner McKee be the backup quarterback
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for Jalen Hurts. I don't know who knows if the Eagles are going to
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keep three quarterbacks on the roster. I think it's unlikely since they haven't done
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that in some time. What do you think about the backup quarterback position in
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that ongoing storyline here? Well, if you listen to offensive coordinator Brian Johnson,
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he has made it very clear that it is still Marcus Mariota's job,
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right. But I think it's funny they're going to say that for every position,
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every player, because even if they're not thinking that, they're going to
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try and get some value out of it with a trade. So like,
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this is our backup guy. You definitely have to give us something for this
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if you want this guy. But I don't know who's gonna want Marcus Mariota.
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After watching the last two preseason games, good than in the first game,
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he at least was like, Okay, well he's an effective runner,
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like, okay, he can at least move the sticks. What did he
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do in that entire first half last week? Like nothing? He did nothing.
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He overthrew almost every target like or he's hitting worm burners too, the
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old worm burners. It was just it was infuriating. Inconsistent, it was,
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And that's probably it, the inconsistency. And that's what Jalen Hurts,
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you know, talks about all the time, is what is his goal.
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His goal is to be as consistent as possible, like and Mariota is not
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even close like Tanner McKee. At least when he was missing, it was
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because he was trying something sort of risky. But it's like the risk reward,
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the reward's going to be great if you know, this ball you just
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through forty yards ends up being caught like versus you know, Mariota is like,
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I'll just try this seven yard toss like, well, that doesn't do
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anything, like you know, that's not even a first down. So I
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think that they're going to keep Mariota as the backup at least for now.
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I think Tanner McKee's still too green, and I also think he's different enough
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from Jalen Hurts that they'll still want somebody who can run the offense similarly to
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Hurts. But I wouldn't be surprised if they kept McKee as a QB three,
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because they're not going to want to risk him getting signed to another team
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while they wait try and bring him back on the practice squad. And I
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think he's done enough that he will draw interest from other teams. I think
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that's really interesting. Boy, can you, Alexa? I remember when you
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were on here years ago, we were talking about Carson Wentz and now we've
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got Jalen Hurts. We've got Jalen Hurts. And how about how Jalen Hurts
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was just in Tray Sermon's ear this last preseason game and then Tray Sermon turns
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his fortunes around during that game. And whether whether it was because of what
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Jalen Hurts told him, the pep talk, or just the leadership that was
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just coming from Jalen Hurts to Trey Sermon. We have a quarterback. Now,
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we have a quarterback that is fantastic. It's amazing to watch, it's
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so exciting. I just I don't know if there's anything to not like about
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him, unless you're not an Eagles fan, in which case, sure I
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could see you being bitter that you don't have him right, but like he's
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just on paper, he does everything right. So what you have an MVP
24:23
caliber performance in the super Bowl, then you go on to finish your master's
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degree, you sign the at the time, the league's highest contract ever.
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Then you do uh Jordan with Taana Taylor and the YEP. And I think
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the most impressive thing he did is he signed a deal with I think it's
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like Accelerator Energy Drink or something, but he got an equity stake. You're
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not telling he is the smartest guy in any room. I swear like he's
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like, no, I'm gonna I want equity. Yeah, like he's thinking
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long term. He's twenty four. I just can't. He's just wonder He
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is wonderful. Be my investor, Jail and Hurts, please be my investor
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and my my financial advisor. You can be Alexis Is too. At this
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point, well, Alexis team, He's surrounded. Yes, absolutely absolutely.
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It was great talking to you Alexis as always, and hopefully we're gonna be
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hearing your voice a little bit more here on the PSD podcast show and then
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future throughout this Eagles season. Would love to talk to you more. Come
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back join us down the road. It's always great talking to you, my
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friend. Thank you so much for having me. Fantastic discussions with Alexis as
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always and again at Lovely Buckeye on Twitter. Give her a follow. Head
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the time, one of the top SB nations sites out there. So that's
25:45
gonna do it for us here on Table Talk. We have got a great
25:48
opposition territory podcast coming your way this week. It's going to be coming into
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our feed, into your feed, i should say, in the very very
25:56
near future. We're gonna get into some Indianapolis Colts talk, a team that
26:00
is really starting to move in various directions in terms of their personnel. We've
26:04
got a great guest, one of our longtime guests that we've had on the
26:07
show, to talk about the Indianapolis Colts. That's gonna be a great discussion
26:11
our regular show. This week, We're gonna get into a ton of Philadelphia
26:15
Phillies talk man his team. It was a rough last game against the Washington
26:21
Nationals, last game of the season, facing the Nats. Boy, that
26:25
was a tough one to watch for sure. However, we have got great,
26:29
great discussions coming your way on our regular show, which is going to
26:30
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