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#623 Parental Burnout · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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  Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there's been a few weeks in a row where
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  Speaker 2: I've just been like, no, not today, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: a parent, I don't want to adult, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: do anything today.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom
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  Speaker 1: and Dad.
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  Speaker 2: So last week I had the opportunity to do some
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  Speaker 2: awesome stuff. I haven't done it properly for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: but last week it felt so good. Three talks corporate events,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, all three of them in Brisbane. One of
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  Speaker 2: them was to a bunch of tradees, a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: men who were involved in some group to help them
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  Speaker 2: to be better business owners. But there's a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of personal development stuff in there as well.
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  Speaker 3: I believe all their names we can so and that's.
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  Speaker 2: What I was going to say. I jumped onto Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who missed it, I think this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of funny, but I accidentally made a typo
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook. I was so pleased. I was so proud
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  Speaker 2: of the fact that I was standing in front of
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  Speaker 2: a room of men We're talking about father who and
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  Speaker 2: it was a meaningful conversation. I took a selfie in
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  Speaker 2: front of all the guys and I said, a privilege
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  Speaker 2: to talk to a room full of ken about fatherhood,
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  Speaker 2: and oh man, Facebook just went nuts. But everyone started
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  Speaker 2: talking about, well, when can we do the next convention,
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  Speaker 2: and it'd be great to have a conversation and it
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. But one thing that really
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  Speaker 2: struck me, and it's something that I've been struggling with
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  Speaker 2: as well, is just how tired everyone says that they are,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to parenting, like having kids in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two is a tiring, tiring thing. And it
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  Speaker 2: made me go back to the webinar I did a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. We did a big free webinar.
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  Speaker 2: There was a couple of thousand people that were there.
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  Speaker 2: The webinar was called Burnt Out, and I thought we
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  Speaker 2: should talk about that webinar today because it seems really appropriate.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, I didn't get to participate in the conversations
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  Speaker 4: you and I had following it were quite alarming when
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  Speaker 4: you think about just how much parents are struggling right now.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you some questions, and if you listen
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  Speaker 2: to the podcast and you can play along with a
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  Speaker 2: pen and paper. Grab a pen and paper, and let's
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  Speaker 2: just let's just have a look at the answers to
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  Speaker 2: these questions. So you're scoring these questions on a scale
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  Speaker 2: from zero to six, where zero is never, one is
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  Speaker 2: a few times a year, two is once a month
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  Speaker 2: or less. Three is a few times a month, four
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  Speaker 2: once a week, five a few times a week, six
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  Speaker 2: every day. Okay, so increasing severity. Zero not severe at all,
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  Speaker 2: six like this is happening all the time. You ready? Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Now we haven't prepared this. You don't know what's coming,
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  Speaker 2: but you're going to do this out loud, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to see how burned out you are as a parent.
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  Speaker 2: This is known as the Parental Burnout Assessment. You can
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  Speaker 2: find it online. I feel completely run down by my
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  Speaker 2: role as a parent. What would you score yourself? Remember
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  Speaker 2: that it's not intensity as in, oh my goodness, yes
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  Speaker 2: I am, but rather how often do I feel completely
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  Speaker 2: run down by my role as a parent?
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  Speaker 3: I'd say probably a two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon I would as well. I kind of
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's not an every day thing, but oh
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  Speaker 2: lately I feel like I'd actually say maybe once a
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  Speaker 2: week like there's been a few weeks in a row
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  Speaker 2: where I've just been like, no, not today. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want a parent. I don't want an adult. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to do anything today. Number Two, When I get up
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  Speaker 2: in the morning and have to face another day with
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  Speaker 2: my children, I feel exhausted before I've even started.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably a three.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I can't blame the kids for this. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to say six. I'm exhausted every day, but that's
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  Speaker 2: on me, right, It's my exercise, it's too much works.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that I get up at four thirty, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's my fault. So in terms of the kids, I
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  Speaker 2: have to say that's probably zero. Never I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that I feel that way about the kids. The next one,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so tied up by my role as a parent
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  Speaker 2: that sleeping doesn't seem like it's enough.
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  Speaker 3: Probably one.
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  Speaker 2: Number four, I have zero energy for looking after my children.
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  Speaker 2: When do you feel like that? How often?
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  Speaker 3: Probably once a month? That would be a two.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, jot it down those four answers. What's your total there? Eight? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So that's eight out of a possible twenty four, which
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  Speaker 2: is a kind of it's nice and it's where you
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  Speaker 2: want it to be. Keep track of that number eight.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to add to that in just a sec.
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  Speaker 2: But we call that parental exhaustion. That's what we call
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  Speaker 2: the parental exhaustion scale as part of the parental burnout Assessment.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of words here. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: on with number five. I don't feel like I'm the
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  Speaker 2: good mum or dad I used to be to my children.
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  Speaker 2: How often do you feel like that?
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  Speaker 3: Probably A four?
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  Speaker 2: Wow? Really you feel like you used to be better?
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  Speaker 2: See I feel the other way. I know that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not getting it perfectly right, but I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting it right better than I've ever gotten it in
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that I struggle with these surveys is the
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  Speaker 4: wording isn't necessarily how I would put it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's because they're psychometro if you put together and
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  Speaker 2: it just really my mind just down the number. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so it's so funny? Is sound cranky about it? The
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  Speaker 2: next one? I tell myself, I'm no longer the parent
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  Speaker 2: that I used to be.
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  Speaker 3: Oh probably zero?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good write it down at number seven. I'm ashamed
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  Speaker 2: of the parent I've become. Zero okay, super I'm not
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  Speaker 2: myself anymore when I'm interacting with my children.
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  Speaker 3: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So what we're talking about here, and there's one
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  Speaker 2: more here, I feel like I've lost my direction as
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  Speaker 2: a mum or dad zero okay. What we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: here is a contrast of previous parental identity. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: we're saying, over time, the burnout has got me so
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  Speaker 2: uptight and so messed up that I'm not where I
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  Speaker 2: used to be. I've gone backwards. And what you're saying
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  Speaker 2: with your responses there is you're actually getting better as
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  Speaker 2: a mum. You don't feel like you're not who you
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  Speaker 2: used to be because over time you've gotten better at that.
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  Speaker 4: No, I guess if I went back to that first
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  Speaker 4: question because you said used to and I was probably
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  Speaker 4: just thinking more along the lines of today, I'm not doing.
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  Speaker 2: Great, gotcha? Okay, so you have a lower score again, I.
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  Speaker 4: Would definitely have a lower score, or now that I
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  Speaker 4: kind of got the idea, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're out of forty eight. What was your addition
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  Speaker 2: on top of the initial eight?
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  Speaker 3: It was four, So I'm up to twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're up to twelve, No problem, let's go
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  Speaker 2: through the last few. Now, I can't take being a
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  Speaker 2: parent anymore. How often do you agree? How much do
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  Speaker 2: you agree? Never a few times a year, or less
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  Speaker 2: once a month, or less a few times a month,
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  Speaker 2: once a week, a few times a week, or every.
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  Speaker 3: Day, probably a one a few times a year, which
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  Speaker 3: just kissed you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd probably go all, I'm right there with you.
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  Speaker 2: You're not human if you say never. The next one,
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  Speaker 2: I don't enjoy being with my children. You're going to
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  Speaker 2: say the same thing, aren't you, every now and again
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  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I don't want to be with you
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  Speaker 2: right now? Yeah, okay, So again I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: can be human and not have at least a one there.
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  Speaker 2: Next one, I can't stand my role as mother or
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  Speaker 2: father anymore.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a zero.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's jop that one down. And those three are
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  Speaker 2: our third factor, and that has to do with that
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  Speaker 2: parental identity and enjoyment of the role. So you've only
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  Speaker 2: you've got a very low addition to your score. Now
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  Speaker 2: and the last couple of questions we've got, I do
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  Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do for my children, but nothing more.
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  Speaker 2: How much do you agree?
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  Speaker 3: That would be zero?
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  Speaker 2: The next one, I'm no longer able to show my
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  Speaker 2: children how much I love them. Zero And outside of
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  Speaker 2: the usual routines like lifts in the car and bedtime
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  Speaker 2: and meals, I'm no longer able to make an effort
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  Speaker 2: for my children.
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  Speaker 3: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So overall, we've got fifteen questions that are worth
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  Speaker 2: six points each. We can have a total score of ninety.
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  Speaker 2: What's your total score there?
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  Speaker 3: Fourteen quick maths.
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  Speaker 2: Fourteen out of ninety. You know what that says? Says
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  Speaker 2: You're not very burned out at all when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 3: So I should have more energy than I have that It's.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly what it says. My school would have been about
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  Speaker 2: the same as yours. I feel as though, in spite
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  Speaker 2: of all the pressure, the fact that we've got so
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  Speaker 2: many kids running a business, and all of the current
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  Speaker 2: economic dramas that are engulfing everyone on the planet and
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  Speaker 2: especially in Australia, I feel like my school would be
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  Speaker 2: around about the same as yours. Here's what the average
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  Speaker 2: is when we look at the data from around the world.
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  Speaker 2: Mums on average score twenty seven point five. So you're
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  Speaker 2: well below average. You're kicking goals. Missus Happy Families and
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  Speaker 2: dads normally score about twenty point three four. So that's
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  Speaker 2: a big deal because that means mums are more burned
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  Speaker 2: out than dads because there's so much more in the trenches,
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  Speaker 2: right dads. Dads don't carry that cognitive load, they don't
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  Speaker 2: get as burnt out around family stuff. But check this out.
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  Speaker 2: In a two parent family versus a single parent family
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  Speaker 2: versus a blended family, have listened to the averages. For
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  Speaker 2: a two parent family, the average is twenty five point
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  Speaker 2: two seven. For a single parent family, the average is
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight point eight seven, and for a blended family
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  Speaker 2: where a couple of families have come together posted separation
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  Speaker 2: and divorce, thirty point four four. In other words, you
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  Speaker 2: more likely be burnt out when you're single than being
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  Speaker 2: in a two parent family, But you're even more likely
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  Speaker 2: to be burnt out if you're in a blended family
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  Speaker 2: where you've got everybody kind of trying to do the
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  Speaker 2: juggle and mixing on family with another. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, everybody in a relationship recognizes the challenges you have
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  Speaker 4: when you come together from two totally different backgrounds, but
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  Speaker 4: there's this romantic love there that kind of forges you
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  Speaker 4: together to work through it.
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  Speaker 3: But you bring you.
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  Speaker 4: Bring two families together. Yeah that we're not just talking
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  Speaker 4: about two people now who love each other.
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  Speaker 2: And you also bring your exit and you bring the
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  Speaker 2: double lots of in laws, and I mean there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot there. Check this out children with additional needs. If
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  Speaker 2: you're in a family where there's children with additional needs,
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  Speaker 2: that average goes up to thirty four point three. If
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  Speaker 2: you've got additional needs, the average goes up that much.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have kids with additional needs at twenty
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  Speaker 2: four and kids under five, the average is twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: points seventy five. Kids over five, it drops down to
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  Speaker 2: twenty two. If you're in a single parent or a
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  Speaker 2: blended family and you're a mum and you've got kids
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  Speaker 2: with additional needs that are under five, scores are off
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  Speaker 2: the charts.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I wanted to go through that, and I
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  Speaker 2: know it's a bit laborious. If anybody is listening and
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  Speaker 2: kind of going, oh, I'm not hanging on to this gear.
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  Speaker 2: We've got seventy percent of the population that are scoring
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  Speaker 2: in category one, which is whether they have two or
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  Speaker 2: three of the symptoms a few times a year, so
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  Speaker 2: that would be your score. That would be my score.
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  Speaker 2: That would be most of the population. They're kind of
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  Speaker 2: hanging in there. Okay, seventy percent. But category two, three, four,
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  Speaker 2: and five, where it's happening once a month or less,
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  Speaker 2: a few times each month, a few times each week
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  Speaker 2: or every day, that takes up the other thirty percent
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  Speaker 2: of the parent popular where we've got a full eleven
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  Speaker 2: percent having this experience of burned out burnout a few
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  Speaker 2: times each week or every day. Big numbers. When you
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  Speaker 2: think about how many people are parents, really really massive.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like I imagine that it was going to
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  Speaker 2: be awesome and it's not. And I'm falling apart. When
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  Speaker 2: I ask parents to jump into the chat Kylie and
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  Speaker 2: tell me what their scores were, I was overwhelmed with
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  Speaker 2: scores fifty and above. In fact, many scores were seventy
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  Speaker 2: and above.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing when people jump onto a free
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  Speaker 2: webinar about being burned out and they start answering questions
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  Speaker 2: and a question there like that, is that these scores
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  Speaker 2: are off the charts. If you're scoring, if you've just
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  Speaker 2: done that little survey yourself and you're scoring above fifty,
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  Speaker 2: legitimately you need to go and get some help, have
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  Speaker 2: a talk to your doctor, have a talk to a psychologist,
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  Speaker 2: have a talk to a social worker, have a talk
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  Speaker 2: to your mum, have a talk to your neighbor, talk
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  Speaker 2: to someone, because you really do need help. Those scores
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  Speaker 2: are terrifying, and if you're scoring in the seventies, that
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  Speaker 2: signifies that you need more than a little bit of help,
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  Speaker 2: and it's so important that you're able to get hold
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  Speaker 2: of that help.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, we've got children who are much older.
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  Speaker 4: Now, we've kind of almost successfully got three children to Adam,
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  Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, And so in the early days of parenting,
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  Speaker 4: I distinctly remember being in that place just so hard
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  Speaker 4: and feeling like I was failing every day because there
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  Speaker 4: was so many big emotions within myself, within my kids,
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  Speaker 4: and just my perception and my I guess romanticized notion
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  Speaker 4: of what mothering would look like and what a happy
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  Speaker 4: family would look like. We're completely obliterated most days of
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  Speaker 4: the week, and I guess being able to go through
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  Speaker 4: this and score where I have, I hope sends a
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  Speaker 4: message of hope that as our children grow, our ability
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  Speaker 4: to see the joy and find purpose and meaning and
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  Speaker 4: the things that we're doing becomes easier, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: happen without intention.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say. It only gets
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  Speaker 2: easier if you practice it, if you literally sit down
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  Speaker 2: and say, all right, what do I need to do?
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  Speaker 2: How do I do this better? Where did I fall
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  Speaker 2: this week? How can I pick myself up and do
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  Speaker 2: better with that next week? So I want to actually
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  Speaker 2: put in a shameless plug. We don't do a lot
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  Speaker 2: of plugs on the podcast for the stuff that we
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  Speaker 2: do elsewhere, but if you have listened to what we've
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  Speaker 2: been talking about and thought, yeah, I am a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a hot mess. My scores are a little bit
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  Speaker 2: too high. I want to just take the next two
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  Speaker 2: or three minutes and talk about the upcoming Happy Family's
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  Speaker 2: Hot Mess Summit, because this thing is going to be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's happening this weekend, a full day of some of
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  Speaker 2: the best experts in the world talking about some of
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  Speaker 2: the best content in the world to help your family
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  Speaker 2: to not be so burned out and to help you
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  Speaker 2: to thrive. Can I tell you a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: who's going to be here, Kylie.
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  Speaker 3: You have got one of the best lineups I've seen
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  Speaker 3: in a long time.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to start with the celebrity superstar power.
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  Speaker 2: First off, we've got Amanda Keller, who has been a
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  Speaker 2: breakfast host and TV host and is one of the
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  Speaker 2: most powerful women in Australian media today. Amanda Keller has
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  Speaker 2: two boys who have just left home in the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years, and our conversation is going to be
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  Speaker 2: all about her IVF story, the years and years that
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  Speaker 2: took for her to get kids, and then the challenge
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  Speaker 2: of raising them when she wanted them so much but
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  Speaker 2: they drove her up the wall. She's the kind of
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  Speaker 2: person who makes you cry every time you hear her
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  Speaker 2: talk about parenting. So we've got her and Jessica Rowe,
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  Speaker 2: who is a self confessed crap housewife. Her Instagram is
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  Speaker 2: full of her giving the kids baked beans and eggs
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  Speaker 2: on toast for dinner and burning the sausages because she
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  Speaker 2: just she's not interested in being an awesome housewife. And
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about her anxiety, her depression, her
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  Speaker 2: mental health diagnoses, and how you can still thrive and
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  Speaker 2: flourish and be happy and have mental health challenges as
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  Speaker 2: well as dealing with the issues that come with raising
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  Speaker 2: A couple of teenage girls were going to talk as
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  Speaker 2: well with Amy Taylor Cabaz, who was an ABC journalist.
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  Speaker 2: She's now the author of Mumma Rising and talks about Matressens,
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  Speaker 2: which was something that you loved about her book when
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  Speaker 2: we talked about in book Club when we did our
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  Speaker 2: book reviews a few months ago.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just love this idea that as mothers we
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  Speaker 4: kind of get thrown in the deep end when we
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  Speaker 4: feel pregnant and we have children, and we think that
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  Speaker 4: we should have it all together from day one, and
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  Speaker 4: the reality is Matrescedens is this wonderful gift. It's like
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  Speaker 4: Adolas I was recognizing, it's a stage of life that
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  Speaker 4: we actually grow through.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk with Ian Kerner.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Ian Kerner has written a couple of not safe for
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  Speaker 2: work books, a couple of books that you probably don't
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  Speaker 2: want the kids to pick up and do their a
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  Speaker 2: little bit older. One of them is called so tell
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  Speaker 2: Me About the Last Time You had sex, and the
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  Speaker 2: other one is called She Comes First. He is one
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  Speaker 2: of the world world's leading sex therapists, and he's going
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  Speaker 2: to talk to me about what you can do if
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  Speaker 2: your love life is a bit of hot mess, if
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  Speaker 2: your intimacy, your time with your spouse or partner isn't
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  Speaker 2: quite where you would like it to be. Who else
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  Speaker 2: we've got in here. We've got a Gotman trained relationship specialist,
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  Speaker 2: Trish panau Web. She's going to talk about what John
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  Speaker 2: Gotman's work can do to help us to create stronger
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  Speaker 2: relationships with our partners. So we've got sex and relationships
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  Speaker 2: for the grown ups, and a whole lot of parenting.
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  Speaker 2: My mentor, Professor h. Wallace Goddard, while he's going to
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  Speaker 2: join us to talk about discipline and getting limits right.
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  Speaker 2: We've also got doctor Shafali. So how could I forget?
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say.
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  Speaker 2: Oprah's parenting expert. She's going to talk you know what.
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  Speaker 2: Everything she talks about is going to be great. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to go there and somebody else that. A
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  Speaker 2: number of people have jumped online and said, I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe you've got Chelsea Pottinger. Chelsea Pottinger is great. This
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  Speaker 2: is a lady who had it all, went into a
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  Speaker 2: massive state of depression following the birth of her daughter,
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  Speaker 2: and has pulled herself out of it and inspires people
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  Speaker 2: around the globe. She's one of one of the world's
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  Speaker 2: most sought art the keynote speakers, and she's going to
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  Speaker 2: spend time telling her story but also sharing ideas about
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  Speaker 2: how we can be less of a hot mess because
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  Speaker 2: she was the ultimate. She was institutionalized, completely and utterly suicidal.
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  Speaker 2: She was institutionalized and was in hospital for a long
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  Speaker 2: time before she was able to pull herself out of
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  Speaker 2: it with a lot of help and get her life
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  Speaker 2: back on track. And now she's one of the like
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  Speaker 2: she's literally one of the world's leading keynote speakers. Hot
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  Speaker 2: Mess Summit, well, you can't forget Michael Liam Duclef Hunt
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  Speaker 2: Gather Parent, the author of one of my favorite parenting
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  Speaker 2: books this year. Don't agree with it all, but my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: it was such an inspiring and brilliant parenting book, and
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  Speaker 2: she's joining us for the summer as well. So I
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  Speaker 2: mean the quality of the presenters, the content that we're
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  Speaker 2: going to cover. If you haven't grabbed your ticket, it's
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  Speaker 2: Hot Mess Summit is this weekend, and forgive us for
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: using the podcast to just go on and on about it,
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  Speaker 2: but my goodness, we never do this on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: and this is such a good sun Plus, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna kick it off and I'm going to finish it
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  Speaker 2: with a Q and A that night. So I've got
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  Speaker 2: a presentation first thing in the morning on Saturday, and
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  Speaker 2: then that night, I'm sorry, I'll I'll be home for
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  Speaker 2: dinner because the Hot Mess Summit will continue through the
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  Speaker 2: night while I do a Q and A and answer
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  Speaker 2: people's questions about how they can be less of a
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  Speaker 2: hot mess based on everything that we're talking about during
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  Speaker 4: You well, I know that you have a really hard
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  Speaker 4: time when we sit on the screen all day, but
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  Speaker 4: away from the screen comes Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be really good. Oh and the other
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  Speaker 2: that I'm only doing it because I really think that
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• 17:57
  Speaker 2: if you're scoring high on that parental burnout assessment. The
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