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Episode #208: What the Leaked MAHA Government Strategy to “End Childhood Disease” Means for YOU · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello everyone, I'm Joel Salatin, your friendly lunatic farmer, along with my wonderful co-host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough, champion of food liberty and freedom, and are the best researcher in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who has who has gone through uh who has gone through the newly uh it hasn't been released yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's been leaked a little bit, and I heard some of it at the Heritage Foundation um uh agriculture seminar uh back earlier this month.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and and it's a new report about um childhood childhood illnesses and how the the plan for Maha to leave to deal with cry you know chronic disease among children.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's as you know, it's an it's an epidemic.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome to another Beyond Labels uh podcast, and we're gonna dive into this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sina's gonna start off here by uh giving us some of this uh information that's in the in the report, and um, and then we'll we'll deal with them uh piece by piece.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sina?
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  SPEAKER_00: Great, thanks, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's some stuff that looks great, and then there's some stuff that looks questionable, and we're gonna get to all of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, as you said, this is a leaked uh document.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is not the official um make our children healthy again strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's supposed to come out in just a few weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the leaked version of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This document is supposed to be the strategy that will quote end childhood chronic disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have identified four potential drivers behind the rise in childhood chronic disease poor diet, chemical exposure, lack of physical exercise and chronic stress, and over-medicalization.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, in this document, they have outlined some specific areas that they plan to study and investigate to figure out if these are indeed contributing to childhood and I would say adult chronic disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those cat the I think these categories, Joel, um on the large are going to make a lot of people happy.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're talking about addressing synthetics like food dyes, water quality, air quality, microplastics, vaccines, oral health, EMF exposure, ultra-processed foods, lack of exercise, screen time, which is something we've talked a lot about on this program, uh, grass chemicals, reevaluating them, um, and get this, Joel, cumulative exposure to the chemicals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Finally, someone's gonna look at cumulative exposure to the chemicals.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the last category is over-prescription of medications to children.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna look at that whole um, especially related to mental health.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're actually gonna look at if diets can have an effect on mental health.
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  SPEAKER_00: In other words, can these children be prescribed dietary lifestyle changes instead of just handed a medication?
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  SPEAKER_00: So that all sounds great, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is these are the main triggers that most of us in this space talk about that are contributing to this toxic environment that's leading to these chronic diseases.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and you know, what's uh I mean, what should give us all pause is to realize that we've had this multi, multi-billion dollar agency for a long time, you know, Department of Health and Human Services.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, wouldn't you think that something that was getting billions and billions of dollars of that title would be um looking at some of these things, but they have not.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've become a rubber stamp, and this is, of course, RFK Junior's agency capture stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: They they've instead of instead of looking at it uh, you know, uh judiciously, they've actually become a rubber stamp uh for things.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, the community the cumulative exposure to chemicals, you know, there's there is no uh chemical licensing that requires any chemical usage to be mated with any other chemical.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every single test is singular, it's it's singular to that particular thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we know that we don't take in these chemicals singularly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Farmers don't use chemicals singularly, livestock producers don't use chemicals singularly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody uses chemicals singularly.
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  SPEAKER_01: They all use them either in a cocktail or they use one today, a different one tomorrow, a different one the next day, or you know, the next week or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you you have this accumulated thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's gonna use only one chemical at only one time for only one thing forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's all they always switch them around.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, so um uh, you know, this will be uh this will be a pretty big deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I liked that list that they came up with.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, I will say that most of most of these items fall under the NIH, the FDA, or the CDC.
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  SPEAKER_00: And those, like you said, are all the jurisdictions of Robert Kennedy Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: because he is the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll get to the EPA and the USDA in just a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's stay on this topic for just this moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so those are the that's the good points, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like that list as a starting point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um a couple things that when I was looking through their bullet point lists here, and keep in mind, this is supposed to be the strategy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if this is the final strategic approach, then I will say it's pretty vague, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of great buzzwords here, but it's like, well, what are they actually doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like they're saying the right thing, but what is this actually gonna amount to?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you go down these lists of the bullet points, a lot of these categories, they're talking about studying it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, the link, which the root cause of autism is something they're going to study.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, vaccine injuries, they're gonna improve data collection and analysis and have a new program.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, air quality, they're gonna study it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Microplastics, they're gonna complete an evaluation of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's better than a study.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they're at least evaluating the risk of the exposures based on data we already have, then that's I that is much better than actually doing a study.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's see.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna do um microbiome, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: The link between the microbiome and chronic disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna NIH will continue to fund research.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that means more studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: The oral health component, NIH and CDC will conduct comprehensive research, examining the connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: So more studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a a lot of this is a laundry list of more studies, EMFs, they're gonna undertake a study.
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  SPEAKER_00: So part of these when they're saying that, I'm thinking, okay, stop wasting our tax dollars and stop wasting time of the people who are already sick, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: We already have great data showing the connections here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, in their defense, some of the items that they list, it looks as though they're gonna use existing databases instead of creating new studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's like a longitudinal pediatric health insight where they're gonna work with the VA to get um data that they're going to analyze.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a longitudinal research for chronic disease prevention.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna leverage some longitudinal birth cohort data that apparently they already have.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those are great because all you have to do is access the existing data, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not expensive and it's not time consuming.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is where they could use AI to pull all these research um data points together, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But these other ones where we're conducting more studies, I don't get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, unless this is some strategy where they're just trying to bring people along, you know, kind of spoon feed them the information, because a lot of this will be new to a lot of people on mainstream.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I can understand that, but we already have the studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was thinking about this and debating it with my husband.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I don't want them to fund any of this stuff, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of us out here who are already working in this space of helping people reverse these diseases, there's already strategies and protocols in place that work to reverse them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, they largely include detoxifying the body and replenishing nutrients that are missing from that person's body.
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  SPEAKER_00: We already have the strategy, we already know the toxins are behind much of this chronic illness.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want them using our money and wasting time to fund more studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: If they are going to use the money for something, because you know government has to use this money, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's their thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Money, money it doesn't even have.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if they're like, no, that we have this money, we're gonna do something with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'd rather them do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Take that money and give it to the people who are sick who are trying to reverse these diseases, that are working with these alternative practitioners on the using these protocols that we know work, and they can't afford the tests because the tests that we need to reverse these conditions, the tests that can can more accurately identify these physical triggers, they're expensive.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're usually not covered by your insurance company.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a huge hindrance for people who are trying to heal themselves because it costs a lot of money.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: So in in one of the, I think they should piggyback this onto one of their bullet points.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they talk about two things, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: A real world data platform, real world data platform.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the NIH says they're gonna link multifaceted databases like claims information, wearable data.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the wearable devices again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're gonna link it into a single integrated solution for researchers studying the cause of and developing treatments for chronic diseases.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says they're going to eliminate redundancies from data collection and um while maintaining rigorous privacy protections and consent protections, and will dramatically reduce administrative overheads by relying on a unified set of data, um, like so unified set of data use and government um agreements.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna have a unifying set of data linking all of these data sets together under governance agreements.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not thrilled about having all the data collected into one area that they're now gonna be in charge of.
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  SPEAKER_00: We hear of data breaches all the time, but let's go with this.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what they're doing now, and they're trying to get this real world data, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, one of the ways you get the real world data is you get um you work with the clinicians, the practitioners in the real world who are actually helping people heal from chronic diseases, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Use that, those data sets with their consent, of course, with informed consent, but you use those data sets that piggybacks with this other bullet point, where they're now saying they're gonna use non-animal methods.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this means that they're gonna use human relevant models, real-world data integration, computational simulations, and the like to prevent diagnose and personalized treatment strategies and reduce the reliance on animal studies that quote often fail to replicate complex human conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they say the EPA, the FDA, and the NIH have all committed to using this non-animal method model moving forward whenever appropriate.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is a really, really big shift because in science, you use animal models.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's considered inhumane oftentimes to use humans.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're there's like a a whole panel that has to decide if you're doing a study with humans, that panel has to decide if it's ethical for you to actually do that study on humans.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is a big shift.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but we the thing is now with with um big data to use one of their terms, uh, with big data, we now have so many more uh informational points on humans coming in.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, this doctor did this, this one did that, this clinic did this, this clinic did that, and and and um, and with the ability to um yeah, to to centralize or or to uh unify these data sets, you you start, you're able to see patterns uh that are more nuanced and uh maybe were a little more obscure uh than we could ever see before because you just didn't have enough enough statistically viable data points to put the patterns together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and and hence hence animals.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so animals were used in order in order to you know get uh that material.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm struck by uh as you went down through this, uh, you know, in in agriculture, we see this all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: The land grant universities, you know, there's land grant colleges, you know, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Ohio State.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are land grant universities.
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  SPEAKER_01: And over my lifetime, I have watched the replication of studies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Virginia Tech does a study on you know some sort of grass or something, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, then the next thing you know, well, now Penn State, they're doing that same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then Ohio State, it's like it's like every land grant, it's like fad fad studies.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, oh um uh rotational grazing is interested.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's do a study on that, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so every every uh cow, we call them cow colleges, land grant universities, every cow college um you know does this study, and it's just you know, millions and millions of dollars of taxpayers' money that are duplicating these because they are they're the new they're the new thing, you know, they're the new entry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's study the hair, let's study the the claws, let's study the GI tract, you know, and uh and and they do this stuff over and over and over again.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm it's almost like it's almost like a delay tactic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um a delay tactic instead of actually going forward with what we know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you your your paradigm, your worldview determines a lot of times how you view data?
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, well, you know, Teddy Roosevelt said it's really hard to get a person to change his mind when that conflicts with his employment status.
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  SPEAKER_01: And or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm paraphrasing it, but basically, it's hard to get a person to believe something that his paycheck says you know you shouldn't believe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, and so what you have is um is uh the stuff that you and I have put on this program over and over again is is from our view is overwhelming, overwhelming data to suggest well you shouldn't do this or you shouldn't use that material, or what you know it's it's overwhelming.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when you have these agencies, well, we we'd better we'd better do another study.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um it just seems like foot dragging.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm struck by uh back when uh Burger King, about whatever it was, I don't know how many years ago, uh said that they were gonna stop using um caged hens for their eggs for Burger King.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I actually uh I was I was on a couple radio programs after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, what do you think about this?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, well, what I think is there's a Burger King 10 minutes from our house.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can service them not only cage-free eggs, we can give them GMO-free unvaccinated pastured eggs.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh, why does it take them 10 years?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I did some more sleuthing and I found out that the reason they put such long horizons on, remember Chick-fil-A had it had a 10-year horizon for taking antibiotics out of chicken.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: At the eight-year level, they reneged on it and said, can't do it, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna quit.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: But uh what I found out in the industry is the reason they put these long time horizons is that that they respond like this to like public pressure of the day, but they put a long time horizon to make the change, thinking that, well, in 10 years, people aren't gonna think about this anymore, and we could just sweep it on the rug and go on.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's literally their mentality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you wonder how much of that behind the scenes is happening here.
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  SPEAKER_01: That, well, instead of taking the data that's obvious and running with it, let's have another you know, uh five years of studies, and by that time, you know, uh Wall Street will collapse and you know, uh, we're all gonna be in uh you know post-apocalyptic whatever, and uh and you know, we'll settle, we'll we'll sail off into the sunset without any really big changes because we we've just bought our, you know, we kicked the can down the road, you know, we we've bought ourselves time.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, as I'm reading through it, I'm thinking, okay, why do you need all these studies?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we have to try to prove that these items are toxic to people.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to the precautionary principle that other countries uh uh uh you know develop their food supply based on?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where like the manufacturer, the onus is on the manufacturer to prove that it's safe.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: We now, as the consumers, are having to fight back and say, no, like these things are not safe.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Look, they're not used in these other countries because of the precautionary principle in many of these instances.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so why do we have to prove that these chemicals are actually toxic?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: It should be the other way around.
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  SPEAKER_00: They should be having to prove that they're safe, they're safe, you know, without a shadow of a doubt.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so this goes into my next point is that when they admitted here in this strategy document that they're going to reduce reliance on animal studies that quote, often fail to replicate complex human conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that means that in these animal models, when we expose them to toxins, they may not develop cancer or thyroid disease the same way that we would, because we are more a different organism than them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we have we are more complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what they're saying right here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: That then means logically, that any of these chemicals that have been quote unquote approved for our food supply, whether they are grass chemicals or pesticides, they were largely approved based on animal models, rats and mice.
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  SPEAKER_00: That means those should all be null and void, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the next logical step behind their own words, what they're saying here, non-animal methods.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: We should not be relying on those studies for any chemicals that are in our food, because, like they're saying, we're complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't know how these are going to interact with us.
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  SPEAKER_00: So those should all be null and void.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: They should now have to go back through and test them on the human population, uh, consenting, uh, consenting adults to figure out if these things are actually toxic to us or not, and not just rats or rabbits or mice.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which which uh lends a very interesting twist on this new uh this new effort in this uh new appropriations bill to limit the liability of chemical companies.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: That if the EPA if the EPA says it's okay, then there's no liability.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's essentially extending the vaccine uh liability exemptions to chemical companies as long as the EPA says it's okay.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what does the EPA rely on to say it's okay?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Animal studies.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: So so you have this circular, you have this circular reasoning um all the way through, and and and bless his heart, what RFK Jr.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's starting to to to say that the emperor has has no clothes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Finally.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: The whole thing starts to crumble like a house of cards.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because again, if the EPA says glyphosate is fine based on animal studies, and animal studies are now impugned.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well how how can you give a how can you give uh Bayer a cover?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, did you know?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: I just learned this this week.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know, you know, um uh glyphosate roundup has been around a long time, been around for whatever, 40 years.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and when and um when they it was it was uh a relatively you know um it was used but not hugely used until GMOs.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Once they got once they got Roundup ready and and and were able to uh genetic engineer soybeans to handle the glyphosate as an herbicide, then it skyrocketed and it's gone up from like a million pounds to uh 300 million pounds a year.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's it's skyrocketed.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so old now that other companies it the the the um the patent has come off of it because it's so old.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: 40 percent of all glyphosate now is manufactured in China.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I told you that on our podcast.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know I was in our glyphosate podcast.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I mean I've seen it in other places too now since, but but I mean that's it's just um it's just scary.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: It it's scary, and EPA says it's fine because he did animal studies.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So the the that's exactly right.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: The the the the house of cards begins to fall, and so that's why there is such immense pushback.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, and on this, and so that's why my conclusion for here for them is look, if you're gonna do real world data collection and you're gonna do it on humans, then fund um the clinics, fund the tests for the people who are trying to reverse these diseases and they can't afford these tests, and that is actually a clinical trial.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you have these clinics across the country that you can get funding to these tests, right?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And create these real world protocols because Joel, that's the bottom line.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we Americans care about is in the real world, how are we going to reduce these chronic diseases?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: We don't care about more lab studies, you know, where you're now isolating, trying to isolate and control for different variables, and you're spending millions of dollars to do this across the board.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Those means nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need real world applications.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: So at least use the money to fund something that is gonna help the everyday American who I mean, like over 60% of us at least now have some have at least one chronic disease, right?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, doesn't that make sense to you?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like do something in the real world to actually try it out.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: That would be clinical trials across the entire country.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be fascinating.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, they're not gonna do it, but they won't.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and and there again, think think about the the fraudulent uh people lining up for that, you know, for that um money, uh, money deal.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like it's like uh Heritage Foundation at that agriculture symposium that they had uh last week.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh one one guy was saying we need to take the trillion dollars we spend on medical and give that trillion dollars to farmers who are transitioning to organic.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, you don't.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, I uh you know, I I it sounds you know that sounds sweet and nice and fuzzy, but you and I both know if suddenly, if suddenly a trillion dollars were transferred from uh from healthcare to um to transitional farmers, there would be every kind of abuse, fraud, corruption in that system.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: It it you can't just you can't you can't give money away.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: It it it you you you gotta earn it.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta earn it.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's too big.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so and on that note with the next, yeah.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: You ready to go to the next category?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let me just piggyback on what you said to wrap that one up because I love that point.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: So again, I'm against the government using any of this money.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should shrink the government and we should stop taxing us so much, give take less taxes from us so we can afford those tests ourselves.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there you go.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now that's why I'm saying if they were like, no, we this is our budget and we're gonna spend it, spend it on that to actually help us, but otherwise, leave us the money.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, next category.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is a happy category or a happier category.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: This one is conflicts of interest.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: So this is again um largely driven by uh Kennedy's jurisdiction.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: So these are some of the things that he's going to do.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: The um Health and Human Services, one of Kennedy's um Kennedy's department, is going to require public reporting of research grants and consulting payments to entities that could create conflicts of interest and strengthen recruit um recusal requirements for advisory committee members.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna require reporting.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, obviously, not everybody is gonna comply with this, right?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, this is the first bullet point.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let me read you these bullet points and then you can tell me what you think.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: So require reporting.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna require advisory committee members.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like the dietary guideline committee members, for example, require them to recuse themselves from particular matters that will have a direct and predictable financial effect on directly on the financial interests of the individual involved.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if there's any conflicts of interest, they have to um recuse themselves.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna establish a public database to disclose financial relationships, uh, mandate recruise uh accusal requirements um with conflicts of interest, um, prioritize the use of independent conflict-free research for federal health guidelines.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So only allow, I'm I'm interpreting that this means only going to allow studies uh to be used when advising health guidelines that don't have any conflicts of interest in them.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh their NIH will um publicly make accessible researcher payment, um, like a database to track the health industry payments to researchers.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: As part of the USGA's research security initiative, they're going to mandate research um applicants complete a disclosure, which they update annually, of the amount, type, and source of all current and pending research support that's received by um the applicant at the time of the disclosure.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: So some of this is already required, though.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like on um when you publish articles, you have to list your thing and your conflicts of interest.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: And not everybody does that.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like, how are they actually enforcing this thing?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and the last one is agency foundation capture.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: The HHS secretary will direct the FDA, CDC, and NIH to review participation in any project or initiatives funded by food and pharmaceutical companies through these different um um money sources in the government.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: The secretary will require more transparency as well as additional guardwales needed to protect public health from corporate influence.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna review it.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they're saying, uh, in order to enforce it.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean it's it's I mean what they're what they're trying to do is is make it more make the the um make the the links, the quid pro quo, the uh you know make it more accessible and transparent so that it's easier for you and I to go in and well who is this person?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you can track, you know, the grants and the the the checks and the money and follow the money.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um that that's all it all sounds good, but boy, you know, and I know the time you get to an agency that big and that many offices, and uh it just it just gets um it gets into a swamp.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so far, if they're gonna be doing this now and they're gonna do in all these new studies, and they listen here, these different task forces they're gonna create and committees they're gonna create, and they're reorganing um reorganizing these departments, it sounds to me like expansion, like like more, more government.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it may not be, maybe they'll shuffle things around and surprise me and and work within the budget, like the current budget.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not gonna hold my breath, you know.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I I I agree with that.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the thing is, in order to do, in order to do new or different initiatives and hold with the same budget, you have to cancel old initiatives or old projects.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, how many how many people want to be transferred to you know a different thing or uh how many how many things are going to be terminated?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um maybe this is where they'll use AI to step in.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, could be could be.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: So well, I guess we'll see.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll see.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: The next category, if we're ready, is the dietary guidelines.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So a couple positive things that I found in this leak document.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, remove restrictions, barriers preventing healthcare providers from discussing nutrition and lifestyle intervention.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Nice, right?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: At least in on paper, this sounds great.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, we I did a podcast on that, right?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: On the dietary guidelines and how they largely restrict practitioners, medical doctors, dietitians, nutritionists, they restrict the advice that they can give their patients on diet changes.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: So if he's now gonna remove those barriers, they may in fact be able to prescribe something other than the dietary guidelines.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that sounds uh that sounds real positive.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's no detail as to how they're gonna do that, but I like the the high-level bullet point.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Next one, they are going to remove the restrictions on whole milk sales in schools.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of just having a low fat option, now you can actually get whole milk in school.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: That'll make the dairy industry happy.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because because uh um man, wouldn't it be neat if they had put in whole raw milk?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the the the problem is that the all the milk tastes like chalk, you know, when it's um pasteurized and homogenized and all this stuff.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's why kids don't kids don't like it, you know, because it doesn't taste good.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: You chug a lug, a glass of really good uh raw milk, um uh it's it's it's like a different, it's like a whole different product.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, and it's much more filling, it's much more satiating, it's uh better for their bodies.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one small step at a time.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Whole milk, at least that so it's not it's not just skim milk.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, not just skim milk or reduced fat milk.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and when we get to the ag part, there is something about dairy.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm curious to see what you think because um it's about small farmers.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, but we'll get to that in a minute.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the next thing that I liked is they uh he's going to eliminate mandatory reduced fat requirement in federal nutrition programs like WIC to quote allow consumer choice.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a positive.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: Redu uh get rid of the reduced fat requirement in those federal programs.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's huge.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's going against the grain from the conception of the dietary guidelines.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, yeah, that that's striking at the heart of the whole uh American Heart Association.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think of the think of the equity.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think yeah, think of the narrative equity that's been put in the low-fat everything.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so, so um the brainwashing.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a that's a massive, that's a massive shift.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: That it really is a huge shift.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's so huge.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so the one that people are upset about.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do that.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do that one next.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: So okay.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: It this is a quote from this leak document.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: USDA and HS will release the 2025 to 2030 dietary guidelines, which will align with science data and healthy recommendations and will re reform future dietary guideline processes, including membership and scientific review.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna base it on science and data.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: So they're saying that they're as if as if what they've done before is not based on science and data.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's uh it it's it's uh it's a little uh it's almost like a little, you know, yes.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: I know I was hoping they would say something like, you know, not um cherry-picked data and like not industry industry funded data, like you know, right, but um, but so they're going to use its USDA will use its authorities to provide whole healthy foods across its 16 nutrition programs.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: USDA will develop options to get whole healthy foods to SNAP participants, so that's good, right?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: More whole foods, more whole foods.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um they will launch USDA and HHS will launch an education campaign based on the updated dietary guidelines.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So more money, more of our tax money.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: The campaign will expand upon a dietary guidelines that prioritizes whole foods, that's good, including protein foods, so that's good.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: At least they're saying the word protein now instead of saying that you know it's like beans and lentils, protein foods, fruits and vegetables, minimizing highly processed foods and added sugar, um, and bringing awareness to strategies to improve health.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I like what they're saying there.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: They're prioritizing the whole foods, they're gonna, it sounds like they're gonna acknowledge animal proteins, um, fruits and vegetables, uh, minimize the sugars in the highly processed foods.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, here's where people are upset is that it's not mentioning anything about the macronutrient content at this point.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, not that it's not going to mention that in the final.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is a leaked document, I will remind you.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: But in the early version, remember how we already reported on this?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: They reported on the problems.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's already a document that they released that reported on the issues, the things that were causing chronic disease.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: This one is supposed to be the strategy report.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: The um the first one, the one that was in May, the Maha Commission report that was the assessment, it did talk about using reduced carbohydrate diets as an option for reversing disease.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it talked about the ultra-processed foods, spiking blood sugar, um, and it talked about using like NIH funds to compare whole food reduced carb diets, you know, to the current the standard diet.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it did point to randomized control trials as being compelling dietary intervention of using reduced carbohydrate diets in adults and children to reverse obesity, type 2 diabetes, and um liver disease, and also risk factors for heart disease like hypertension.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it did talk about how there are randomized control control trials and that these low-carb options were compelling data.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: This new report mentions no words about carbohydrates, macronutrients, or insulin resistance or anything like that.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: So the concern is they're saying all these great things, but it but if you don't change the macronutrient context, like flip that pyramid, or now it's my pay, my plate, but flip it upside down, right?
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: So if you don't do that, we're gonna end up with much of the same for five, 10 years, you know, coming.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um so and I can see their point because if you just look at what they said in that bullet point, we're gonna prioritize protein, fruits, um, vegetables, and minimize highly processed food and added sugar.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: You can point to the current my plate and say, oh, that matches the current my plate, right?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So so I do understand the concern there.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're concerned that that got dropped from the strategy and that now here we go again.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: You only have five years, right?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: The the dietary guidelines stay for five years until they're reassessed.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't do it now and at least give the option so that it could be put in the government system so that the doctors can say, look, here's a low carb option.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: If the if the original food pyramid, my plate is not working for you, here's a low carb option.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: If they don't put it in now, we got to wait another five years just to try to get that option in there.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I think a lot of people maybe don't realize how entwined the system is, the school lunches, prison, prison food, institutional, all the institutional foods, and even you know, AMA, uh, doctor recommendations, uh diet dietitians in every, you know, every whatever uh place.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you and I, we I mean, for I mean, maybe you do.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I don't, I don't, I'm not even aware of them.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I eat I eat what we eat, and and you know, I the the dietary guidelines are not even something that enter enter my thinking, my day, whatever.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're kind of in a bubble.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in them, and and that's why, but but you know what?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think a lot of people share that bubble just in our daily lives, and we don't understand how much intertwined how many how many billions and billions of dollars are allocated based on those dietary guidelines.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, it's easy for me to get um you know bored of dietary guidelines discussion.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: But but but in but in the system, when you get down there to DC and you start talking, dietary guidelines are front and center of every single conversation because because they're so they're so um intertwined.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: They yeah, and they well, so we're gonna leave you as you know, you and your bubble doesn't count here, but it affects the rest of us because so for example, if you have a child in school, the the breakfasts, the school lunches, they're based on the guidelines, VA hospitals, regular hospitals for the rest of us based on dietary guidelines, the nutrition facts panel based on the dietary guidelines, which means when companies formulate foods, they take the dietary guidelines into account, right?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: In order to create the food to make it look good on that nutrition facts panel.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, when you go to a dietitian, go to a doctor, that's the recommendation you're going to get for the most part.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so it it does affect, you know, all of us on some level, even if we don't think we're we're, even if we don't like print out the pyramid and we're like, oh, how many servings of fruits should I eat today?
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like it affects the things that are around you and the systems in which most of us operate today when we get sick or when we have kids or grandkids to go to schools and so forth.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, but let's move on to the next one because I because this is the one that I'm really excited to hear your feedback on as well.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with um, you know, I'm gonna leave the one about pesticides till till later.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start with um with some of the ag reforms.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so here's one.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is the uh EPA process improvements.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Consider increased categorical exclusions for low volume meat processing operations from water discharge and hazardous waste permitting.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then work with states to fast track approvals to strengthen regional meat infrastructure and improve access to fresh proteins in schools and communities.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: So first one, exclusions for low-volume meat processing operator operators.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's exclusions from water discharge and hazardous waste permitting.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Are you in favor?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the the the uh the water the water discharge has been used as a cudgel.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know there was one facility in, I think it's Denver.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh but there there are yeah these water discharge things are um are huge when the inspection folks come in and use them as a cudgel for somebody that's just not you know just not using much water.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um so let me say the the people who the critics will say, oh well now they're going to dump chemicals into our water.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: So is that true?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like are we now gonna have unregulated, like they're saying, hazardous waste?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're calling it here water discharge and hazardous waste.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are we now gonna have these smaller farms dumping more waste, potential toxins into our waterways?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: It gets tricky.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta realize that this hazardous waste thing is a very, very broad term.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: For example, chick chicken guts.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Chicken guts are are considered a hazardous waste.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: The uh the processing water from a chicken processing facility is considered a hazardous waste.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let me get let me give an example of how this is used.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: For example, we can take, so we go 30 miles to a slaughterhouse to get our beef and pork done.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's perfectly illegal for us to run the steers or the you know the pigs onto a cattle trailer and haul them up there for processing.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: But if we want to bring the guts back and compost them here at the farm, which is what we do with our on-farm slaughtered stuff, uh the especially the poultry, suddenly we need a hazardous materials handling permit, special machinery, special uh uh uh uh trailers, special things that we can't afford to bring the guts of the animals that that stood on their feet and walked to the slaughterhouse to put their guts in a barrel and put them in the same trailer we haul the animals up on hoof to the slaughterhouse to take.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: We now that's now a hazardous substance, and we can't bring it home.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: So this is these are the nuances, Cena, that that the average person can't when you see something like this a hazardous waste, you you get these big blanket phrases, and and people rightfully get scared.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, what what's what's gonna happen here?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: And but but in the government's in the government's view, you know, this is this is the way they talk, this is the terminology they use, and we don't have enough we don't have enough uh uh whatever nuanced language, you know, to help people understand what this uh you know what this is.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, it it's it's kind it's kind of like the word sin.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's really big sin and there's smaller sin.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: And murder, murder is a sin, and so is, you know, um uh taking a pencil from your employer.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: But but we just we call it all sin, you know, and and and and that and that's the way that's the way this is here, too.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: So um, so the the space that I live in, uh there are this is dealing with the actual licensing of the plant, the actual licensing of the facility.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: No facility can dump hazardous waste and dump chemicals into the water.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's the health department.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, what this is saying is we're not going to put another layer, another burden uh on a small plant that's already under another agency regulation uh for for discharging stuff.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna require, we're not gonna put another layer of burden on that company, on that outfit from us.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a good thing.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: It is a good thing.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: It is a good thing.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is helping the small farmer, absolutely, very much so, and some small, small processors, yeah.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Small processor.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so then you might like this one too, Joel.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I may just make your day today with these with these bullet points.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, get this.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: Provide additional support for mobile processing units serving multiple small farms.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: Is that good?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um no.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's the thing.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: See, you know, I I mean, in general, it's okay.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, additional support.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: Look, we don't need more money.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I we we don't need subsidies.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the additional support sounds like they're gonna throw money at it.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: The problem with mobile processing facilities, the problem is you can't get any throughput.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so all the mobile processing facilities that I know currently that exist are are extremely expensive to use because you're restricted to a trailer.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're listening if you're trying to run a carcass of a beef animal that weighs, you know, 600 pounds, and you're restricted to an eight foot by eight foot by eight foot um space, there's hardly enough room to even pick the thing up off the floor.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so now you have to quarter it instead of putting it in halves.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: There, there's and and you simply can't, there's hardly enough, you get that animal in there, there's hardly enough room to get around it to work, you know, to skin it and do the things you've got to do.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so, so um I uh where I am, I am I'm 50-50 on mobile processing.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I love you know me, I'm I'm Mr.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mobile, okay?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Everything mobile.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: But but the problem is that the licensing folks won't give any concessions to um you know to the to the FSIS Federal Uh Food Safety Inspection Service inspection requirements.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're so because those are so scale prejudicial, when you start trying to downsize it without concessions on the other end, for example, letting you letting you uh kill the animal out on the ground, for example, uh where the a big old you know thousand-pound cow, okay, if we're if we're gonna if we're gonna uh slaughter that animal, being able to do it outside on the ground to where you don't have to get it into a trailer, uh a mobile processing unit, you know, those are that would be a concession.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: But but but they don't they don't allow those kind of concessions.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so what happens is when you restrict when you restrict your movement room to a trailer, a mobile processing unit, you've just created tremendous inefficiencies, which create huge costs and suddenly add two, three hundred dollars to each animal that you're processing because you just can't be efficient.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh okay, so instead of so that that one, you know, uh, I mean that that's a favorite thing, the mobile processing, you know, uh for some people that's a real favorite thing, and um and I'm I'm kind of ambivalent on it.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but so if I hear you right though, what you're saying you would like to see in here would be for them to remove some of the regulations to in order to help with the processing of like the butchering.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so yeah, I don't really see any of that here.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: I do see this one.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, here's one.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see if this one makes you happy.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of failed on the last one.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: So this one is remove barriers preventing small dairy operations from processing and selling their own milk products locally.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, now there's a good one.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be interesting to see what kind of barriers that is.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I read that.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: I almost jumped out of out of my chair.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like that's that's fantastic.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's fantastic.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so it's it's only a one-liner.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have any of the strategy there, but I like the start of that one.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, the the way these things develop, you know, they have these, um, they have these uh what do you call it?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fo you know, um visioning or focusing groups, you know, uh talk talking groups.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, they'll they'll bring they'll bring um uh people in, and and what this means to me is which is yes, which is what I'm seeing, is that that um RFK Jr.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: is bringing in voices that have not sat at the table before.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and that is a that is a fabulous thing.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I got it.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to run out of time.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me read to you the last one uh under agricultural deregulation.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Four points.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, streamline organic certification processes and reduce costs for small farms transitioning to organic practices.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, eliminate unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for community-supported agriculture programs and direct to consumer sales.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Number three, reduce regulatory compliance burdens for small farms, and here's their list of how they're gonna do that.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Streamline and digitize USDA application processes, generate reliable access to credit, improve land acquisition and permitting process, promote transition to the next generation, provide greater access to markets and infrastructure, enhance risk management and business planning tools, enhance and promote educational series.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so what do we think about this?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Reducing the cost of the small farmer to transition to organics, eliminate the unnecessary bureaucratic barriers for CSAs and direct to consumer sales, and reduce regulatory burdens for small farmers.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm I'm uh I'm in favor of all of it.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so we got some positives here.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm putting little smiley faces next to these.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if they um you know if they reduce government employees.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know if I'd go that far, then that's like asking for the whole pot of cookies there, Joel.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's great.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, and I think um so we're I think we're running out of time.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, we are.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's let's save the next one to the next episode.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: The the last the pesticide and the soil health strategy.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we've given everybody a lot to chew on on this one.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, we have.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a it's been a good one.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: And and of course, you know, um platitudes, uh, platitudes do not um activity make.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um these sound, but but you know, uh, without vision, the people perish.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you don't have, if you don't cast a vision, then you can't go anywhere.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: So these are these are definitely these are definitely striking philosophically at um you know at systemic problems and issues.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so um so kudos to them for what they've come up with, and and um clearly, clearly there is a seat at the table for a for a previously denied group of people, and that's a that's a great thing.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great thing.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I'm I'm cautiously optimistic.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, let's see where they go and how they build out these strategies, you know.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll get to the EPA next in the next episode.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that one I'm less optimistic about.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to do a community question?
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so so the question is we've we've kind of gone through this today.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it's just got good to, you know, what do you think on a scale of on a scale of one to a hundred, you know, a hundred being uh being uh perfect and zero being uh terrible?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh where do you put this report?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: You you you know how do you feel about it?
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: You think it's a 40, a 50, a 60, a 90, uh a 10?
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um where where where are you on the uh optimistic level about that this will actually uh move our needle in our culture and just give us give us a rating?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: How about that?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: Just give it give it a if you were grading this, give it a grade, you know, uh and and give it a percentage point.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, everybody, thanks for joining us on another Beyond Labels episode, and we'll look forward to being with you again next week.