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Sir John Key: former Prime Minister voices disapproval with the Government's Treaty Principles Bill · Best of Business

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  Speaker 2: Along with the Mass Reset for the National Party. Their
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  Speaker 2: AGM featured to John Key special guest. His call was
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  Speaker 2: for the temperature to drop a little bit around race relation.
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  Speaker 2: Karen Shaw's treatment last week from the Mrry Party was
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  Speaker 2: a bridge too far for many, of course. So John
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  Speaker 2: Key is with us very good morning, morning, Mike. So
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  Speaker 2: you call over the weekend for the political temperature to
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  Speaker 2: come down to but how much do you reckon? This
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  Speaker 2: political debate is about specific aspects of race relations in
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  Speaker 2: this country versus a general angst because the country's on
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  Speaker 2: its needs economically.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of bo for mean and you know,
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  Speaker 3: notwith seeing that the mood at the conference was really
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  Speaker 3: positive because we've won a general election, got new prime
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  Speaker 3: minister and all that sort of stuff. Everyone recognizes how
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  Speaker 3: big the economic turnaround job is. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 3: literally massive. And I think if you walk around most
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  Speaker 3: parts of the New Zealand, particularly Auckland, you will just
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  Speaker 3: feel how die economy is at the moment across a
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  Speaker 3: lot of sectors. So I think there's general angst and
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  Speaker 3: I think with race relations, you know, there's all these
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  Speaker 3: people who think like we are either leaning in of
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  Speaker 3: it too much or leaning out of it too much,
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  Speaker 3: sort of get all that.
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  Speaker 4: My basic point was really lock we just have to
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  Speaker 4: be a little bit careful.
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  Speaker 3: Of those things. In my advice on all sides, not
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  Speaker 3: not particularly one side, is take the temperature down or
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  Speaker 3: with it, because you know, when you have your budget
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  Speaker 3: day and it's dominated by a race protest, or when
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  Speaker 3: you have your opening of Parliament, that's the case. That's
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  Speaker 3: one side, But then you're at the ear leaders walking
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  Speaker 3: out of meetings with the Prime Minister on the other.
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  Speaker 3: And then I think things like the Treaty Principal's Bill
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  Speaker 3: that's really you know, wound people up. I actually don't
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  Speaker 3: support that legislation for some pretty good reasons. I think.
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  Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of stuff, but I just
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  Speaker 3: think just be careful because you know, for the most part,
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  Speaker 3: we've actually done race relations pretty well in this country.
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  Speaker 2: If you lead from top down, how much then of
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  Speaker 2: your comments is based on policy like Seymour's Bill, the
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  Speaker 2: attitude to the White Tangi Tribunal, the overturning Court state,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. All that how much of it's policy driven
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  Speaker 2: versus just general debate.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, a bit of both. I think, Look, the things
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  Speaker 3: like the Treaty Principles Bill does wind up a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people. And I actually think philosophically, and I come
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  Speaker 3: from a place where I really like David Seymour, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's bad Pulsey.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad act. If you write down
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  Speaker 3: the principles right, they might be fitting proper today. I
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  Speaker 3: might even agree with them. Right, Let's put that to
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  Speaker 3: one side. If you think they're going to stay like that,
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  Speaker 3: you're a dreamer. They're going to change, and they may
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  Speaker 3: change in the direction you really don't like when the
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  Speaker 3: new government comes along. And as you see in places
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  Speaker 3: like the United States, where you know they wrote down
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  Speaker 3: the constitution that said the right to bear arms worked
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  Speaker 3: really well. By the way, when you know you had
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  Speaker 3: a musket and the grizzly beer, walking into into kebinet
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  Speaker 3: two in the morning doesn't work well when a person
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  Speaker 3: feels they can legitimately take an AK.
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  Speaker 4: Forty seven down to Walmart of Costco.
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  Speaker 3: So codifying these things isn't that smart. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that's certainly wound a lot of people up and rightfully,
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, primis to crystal like and so
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to support that beyond the second reading.
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  Speaker 3: But it just is quite a high temperature all these
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  Speaker 3: things at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: My only point is that for.
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  Speaker 3: The most part, race relations have been pretty good in
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  Speaker 3: New zund Sometimes, you know, the government of the days
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  Speaker 3: too hard. Maybe sometimes there haven't done quite enough, but
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  Speaker 3: just making sure we sort of let this thing get
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  Speaker 3: out of control is important because for the most part,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we kind of like, you know that the
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  Speaker 3: society we live and we get on with our mates.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not as dire as what some people
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  Speaker 3: were saying. But I just feel like the temperature is
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  Speaker 3: too high.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Sipkins, while I've got you, by the way, blames
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow Schools that the whole maths turn around that was
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  Speaker 2: announced yesterday as well. He blames essentially you because it
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  Speaker 2: was Tomorrow's schools. Tomorrow Schools failed and that's why we're
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  Speaker 2: failing the maths.
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  Speaker 3: You say, what, Yeah, okay, well, are a school was
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  Speaker 3: in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: I got the parlace a quite a long way back,
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  Speaker 4: and look if that was the case, and it was
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  Speaker 4: so obvious they would have fixed it, and they didn't. Look,
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  Speaker 4: the simple reality is I reckon part of what they'll
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  Speaker 4: be driving this is the enormous truancy rates that happened
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  Speaker 4: under the previous labor government. But also Labor have never
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  Speaker 4: liked what we wanted to do, which was National Senates,
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  Speaker 4: which was measure, monitor and report on children. They want
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  Speaker 4: to measure, monitor and report the environment. They just never
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  Speaker 4: wanted to know whether you know your seven year old
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  Speaker 4: could actually do mess at the what we would deem
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  Speaker 4: to be the average standard for a seven year old.
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  Speaker 4: And therefore, if you don't know, you can't fix it.
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  Speaker 4: So again a massive job because if you can't, if
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  Speaker 4: kids can't leave school now and they can't do mess
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  Speaker 4: at a half decent level, and a huge number of
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  Speaker 4: the teachers who are teaching them don't have the proper
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  Speaker 4: test qualification, I can't do Basically, I think it's school
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  Speaker 4: certain mess. Then there's a real problem, isn't there?
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  Speaker 3: And you know I I would worry enormously about the
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  Speaker 3: future workforce if that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate your time to John Key with
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  Speaker 2: us this morning.
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