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Teen girl kidnapped by IT wiz, drugged daily & held captive. Where is Daphne Westbrook? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Mommy says her girl. Her teen girl goes out to
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Speaker 1: walk her dog. She's never seen again. Can you even
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Speaker 1: imagine that all the guiltless mom carries around for letting
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Speaker 1: her daughter go out simply to walk the dog. Friend
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Speaker 1: Lynne Daphew Westbrook and missus Sunday. She's sixty years old.
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Speaker 1: Her car was found in Glenn Falls. Last time that
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Speaker 1: her phone was the teen's rambler Pete wasn't Donald Georgia.
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Speaker 1: She's been missing since Sunday. You have any information regarding
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Speaker 1: miss please please let us know her mother's name Rona
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Speaker 1: La on Facebook. Ifmation please pleas a wonderful, wonderful girl.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, it's not Gonnce, so we need to really
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Speaker 1: really try. Thank you. You were just hearing a local
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Speaker 1: musician begging the public for help. That was Dan Penson,
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Speaker 1: musician and family friend. At the end, he said it's
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Speaker 1: not looking good right now, and he's right because right
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Speaker 1: now we have reason to believe this young girl is
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Speaker 1: being drugged to keep her from going home to mommy again.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us for crime Stories. Let me introduce you an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to try to make sense of this.
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Speaker 1: Neil Pinkston, District Attorney General for the eleventh Judicial District
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Speaker 1: of the State of Tennessee. That's Hamilton County chatting NUGA.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael B. Donner, PhD. Psychoanalyst, clinical forensic psychologist, expert witness,
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Speaker 1: author of Tearing the Child Apart. Greg Smith joining me,
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Speaker 1: special friend of the show, Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 1: Executive director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. Doctor William Maroney,
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Speaker 1: a renowned chief medical examiner, joining us out of Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of America Narcan with so many publications and projects,
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Speaker 1: going fighting the war against drugs with a traveling mobile
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Speaker 1: unit as we speak. Doctor Moroney joining us. Derek Ellington,
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Speaker 1: Certified Forensics Examiner PI and you can find him at
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Speaker 1: Ellington dot net. But first to reporter Fox thirteen News Tampa,
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Speaker 1: bay Evan Axelbak Evan, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about out when this girl goes missing.
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Speaker 1: You just heard a local musician begging for help. But Evan,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at w RCBTV we just need her to be found
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Speaker 1: before us to it Runacurred Singer hasn't seen our daughter
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Speaker 1: Daphne Westbrook in over a year. No, she was driving
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Speaker 1: over to spend the weekend with her dad, and she
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Speaker 1: told me I'm all, I love you and and and
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Speaker 1: that was it. The then sixteen year old left her
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Speaker 1: mother's house on a Friday to head by her father
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Speaker 1: so on Florida Avenue in October twenty nineteen. Later that weekend,
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Speaker 1: she messaged her mom saying she'd be a couple of
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Speaker 1: hours late getting back. You know that was okay. She
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Speaker 1: wanted to go for a walk with her dog and
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Speaker 1: a friend. Daphne never returned home. The only thing that
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Speaker 1: we knew is that she was sad because her dad
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Speaker 1: had said he was going to move away out of state. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I just imagining my own children, John, David and Lucy
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Speaker 1: facing the prospect of one parent moving out of state.
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Speaker 1: My mom let the teen girl go for a walk
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Speaker 1: with her dog. She's never seen again. What happened Straight
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Speaker 1: back down to Evan Actuel Bank. Evan tell me about
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Speaker 1: when mom realizes that Daphne Westbrook has vanished. So you know,
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Speaker 1: essentially what we know about that moment is that she
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Speaker 1: is essentially saying, I'm going to go and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: walk my dog. And you know, we know for a
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Speaker 1: fact that she certainly loves her dog. She's got a
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Speaker 1: number of pictures of them with her, and you know,
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Speaker 1: without question, is a routine thing that so many parents,
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Speaker 1: you know, go through. Sure, go ahead and walk the dog.
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Speaker 1: You know, Evan Actual, make its scaring me because we
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Speaker 1: have a mud He's a mut that was built as
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Speaker 1: a thoroughbred docsin at the pound. Anyway, he's not Let's
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Speaker 1: just leave it at that. And my daughter and I
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Speaker 1: took him for a walk yesterd Day and she held
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Speaker 1: the lease the whole time, and I told her at
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Speaker 1: the end of the walk, you know, you've always been
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Speaker 1: afraid and worried that he would get away. But now
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Speaker 1: you've done it. Now you can go on walks by yourself.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm eating a dirt sandwich right now
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Speaker 1: because that is not going to happen. After I read
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Speaker 1: about what happened with Daphne Westbrook, Evan Actual Bank joining
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Speaker 1: me from Fox thirteen Tampa. Evan, let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: So she goes for what the weekend with her dad.
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Speaker 1: Certainly that is the story that she you know, that
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Speaker 1: is what she told her mother she was doing straight
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Speaker 1: out to Neil Pinkston, DA District Attorney General, joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Chattanooga, Hamilton County. Neil Pinkston, I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: get a handle on what happened when she went missing.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think she ran away. I don't think
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Speaker 1: she quote went missing. I think she's been kidnapped. And
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Speaker 1: I believe that the mothers fear is actually true. I
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Speaker 1: think this girl is being drugged to keep her from
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Speaker 1: going home to her mother and her friends and her life.
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Speaker 1: But Neil Pinkston, didn't she have routine visits with the dad. Yes,
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Speaker 1: her parents are divorced, and by a court order, she
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Speaker 1: got to spend every other weekend with her father, and
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Speaker 1: so the time it with her father was ending on
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Speaker 1: a Sunday evening in October of twenty nineteen, when she
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Speaker 1: called her mother and indicated she'd be a little bit late.
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Speaker 1: She was going to walk to walk one of her dogs.
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Speaker 1: Neil Pinkston, when she spoke to her mother asking about
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Speaker 1: can I go walk good dogs? Was there anything unusual
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Speaker 1: about the conversation? Did she sound like herself. She sounded
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Speaker 1: like herself, and her mother would indicate there was no
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Speaker 1: there was no warning sign or no signal that something
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Speaker 1: something was a miss. You know too, Doctor Michael B.
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Speaker 1: Donner or psychoanalyst joining us and you can find them
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Speaker 1: at Michael ber dot com. Doctor Bonner, I call that,
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Speaker 1: as many lawyers do, routine evidence. And I don't mean
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Speaker 1: run of the meal evidence. I mean evidence of routine.
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Speaker 1: If you look up Daphne Westbrook, this team girl missing,
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Speaker 1: who I believe is being held against her will and drugged.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she looks a lot like Hermione and Harry Potter,
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Speaker 1: just a beautiful young girl. And almost every picture you
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Speaker 1: see her all with her dogs, and I believe their
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Speaker 1: names are Fern and Strawberry. And she loved her friends.
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Speaker 1: She loved her dogs. So to call mom from dad's
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Speaker 1: house and say, Hey, before I come home, I want
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Speaker 1: to walk the dogs. Okay, that tells me a lot,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Donner. That tells me that she would call her
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Speaker 1: mother even though she's at her dad's and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: can I go out and walk the dogs? And remember
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Speaker 1: the timing is critical because it's almost time for her
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Speaker 1: to come home from the visit with dad. But yet
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Speaker 1: she's still thinks, cares for it, loves mommy so much
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Speaker 1: that she actually calls and says, hey, can I go
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Speaker 1: walk the dogs even though she's not home with mom.
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Speaker 1: And also as to evidence of routine, walking the dogs
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Speaker 1: would be a normal thing. So for instance, my children said, hey, Mom,
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Speaker 1: can I go backpacking for the weekend by myself? I
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Speaker 1: would say absolutely no, You're not old enough. It's nothing
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Speaker 1: they've ever done before. So Mom, I think, is lulled
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Speaker 1: into a sense of complacency here. Everything seems normal. It's
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Speaker 1: almost time for the daughter to come home. The daughter
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Speaker 1: is acting normally. She's gonna walk her dogs, even asking permission.
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Speaker 1: Everything's fine at that moment in time, Doctor, Well, it
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Speaker 1: sounds perfectly normal, and it's very difficult for the mother
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Speaker 1: to know that anything is amiss. It seems like the
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Speaker 1: normal sort of interaction that the two of them might
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Speaker 1: have had well at that moment, as Mommy is being
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Speaker 1: lulled into a sense of complacency that everything is fine.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at twelve News.
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Speaker 1: This is Robin Eastbrook. Her mother says park rangers told
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Speaker 1: her Daphne's car was at the trailhead front least twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours. She says, nothing like this has happened before,
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Speaker 1: and she's very worried. We just need to know that
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Speaker 1: she is safe and that she's alive right now, very
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Speaker 1: very much so. Any help, anyone who has seen anything.
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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to call, even if you don't know
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Speaker 1: the details. If you suspect that you saw our daughter,
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Speaker 1: then please please call so that we have leads to
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Speaker 1: follow that tip line four two three two zero nine
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Speaker 1: seven four two five repeat four two three two zero
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Speaker 1: nine seven four two five Climb Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a teen girl that seemingly vanishes
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Speaker 1: into thin air. Straight back to Neil Pinkston, District attorney
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Speaker 1: for the eleventh Judicial District in Tennessee. That's Chattanooga, mister Pinkston.
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Speaker 1: So she calls my mom and says, hey, can I walk? Good? Dog?
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Speaker 1: Is it she's supposed to come home that night? She
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Speaker 1: is supposed to come home that night. Yes, Her time
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Speaker 1: ends with her father visitation and goes back to her mother.
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Speaker 1: You know, I noticed something you said your phraseology earlier.
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Speaker 1: You said, under court order, she got to go to
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Speaker 1: her father's every other weekend, which made me think that
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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I got to go on a vacation
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Speaker 1: or I got to go to fill in the blank.
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Speaker 1: Was she forced to go? Or did she want to go?
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Speaker 1: Did she want to go more often? I was interested
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Speaker 1: in the way you phrase that, Neil Pinkston. Well, there
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Speaker 1: there were some divorced issues about custody. There have been
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Speaker 1: a number of hearings in the Hampton County Circuit Court
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Speaker 1: about who was the primary custodial parent, and the court
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Speaker 1: rendered a ruling that the mother was the primary custodial
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Speaker 1: parent and that the daughter could see the father every
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Speaker 1: other weekend and then some more times in the summer.
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Speaker 1: It was it was contentious, to say the least, and
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Speaker 1: she wanted to spend more time with her father because
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Speaker 1: I think we found that the mother imposed rules like
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Speaker 1: any parent does with a teenager, but the father was
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Speaker 1: very loose with rules and she could essentially do as
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Speaker 1: she wished there, and so that there were times when
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Speaker 1: she wanted to be there more because no rules, bad past.
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Speaker 1: Why Why why? Doctor William Maroni, I know you're a
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Speaker 1: chief medical examiner and renowned author American narcan A whole
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Speaker 1: list of credentials. But I also know you've got a
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Speaker 1: lot of kids. I've watched them grow up, and what
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Speaker 1: a great job you're doing with him, by the way,
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Speaker 1: with a little help from missus. Doctor Moroni. Uh, doctor Moroni.
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Speaker 1: What is it? There's always one enforcer and one parent
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Speaker 1: that kind of lets them run. As we say, back home,
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Speaker 1: hog wild, that's kind of what we all had as parents,
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Speaker 1: and that model. Well, my mom was a softie and
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Speaker 1: my dad was hard as nailed, and I try to
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Speaker 1: be one and I learned both. But the permissiveness in
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Speaker 1: the parent in question, the father, is what makes him attractive.
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Speaker 1: That is what she wants to get away from, get
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Speaker 1: away from the rules. People like that they influence the culture.
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Speaker 1: She could have a father who smokes marijuana, therefore she's
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Speaker 1: interested in marijuana. And in the preface, studies show us
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Speaker 1: that in the home of marijuana smokers, teenagers are likely
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Speaker 1: to start smoking marijuana. They could be using CBD gummies
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Speaker 1: that have a lot of THHC in them, and she
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Speaker 1: might like that, and her mother might be against that.
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Speaker 1: So drug use and videos and talking online on the internet,
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Speaker 1: they all play into A permissive parent raises a child
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Speaker 1: looking for that kind of permissiveness. I'm trying to say, Ken,
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Speaker 1: everything that you're saying, Neil Paston, is that the idea
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Speaker 1: that you're getting was the dad so much more permissive
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Speaker 1: than the mom, and that's why she wanted to spend
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Speaker 1: time there. Well, it's Nancy's. It's not just the eye
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Speaker 1: they were getting. It's what the evidence shows. We've done
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Speaker 1: interviews where with friends of Daphne's who would indicate that
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Speaker 1: the father before she left, before she went missing, would
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Speaker 1: give her marijuana freely to use. Wait, wait, wait, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Neil Pinkson, you tell me something I didn't
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Speaker 1: didn't know. Neil Pinkson, the elected district attorney there in Chattanooga,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney. I thought you were just giving examples, because
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Speaker 1: I know how you and I feel about marijuana leading
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Speaker 1: to other drugs and parents not getting that and acting like, oh,
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Speaker 1: they just had a secret beer in the back seat
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Speaker 1: of their car. No, it's that's not what it is.
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Speaker 1: I thought you were just giving an example of permissiveness,
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Speaker 1: Neil Pinkson. So the dad, let's the daughter smoke potu
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Speaker 1: and he also would provide her with the LSD and mushrooms.
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in leven to go ahead, Neil, And as
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Speaker 1: I said that that was that was before she was
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Speaker 1: went missing him was kidnapped. You know what, I can't
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Speaker 1: believe that she still got to go have visitation with
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Speaker 1: a dad feeding her magic mushrooms. LSD pot oh h
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Speaker 1: E double l n O. Greg Smith, Special Deputy Sheriff.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Kelsey's Army dot com. He
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Speaker 1: is the director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation. He is
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Speaker 1: the director of the Kelsey Smith Foundation because his daughter
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdered and he has devoted his life
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Speaker 1: to helping other crime victims with that as the backdrop,
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Speaker 1: Greg Smith, do you remember, of course you do, those
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Speaker 1: moments when you first realized Kelsey was missing, Oh, very vividly.
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Speaker 1: It just like it was yesterday. That's that's a feeling
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Speaker 1: and a sensation that you'll never forget. And there's similarities
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Speaker 1: in this case to Kelsey's. I mean, Kelsey's car was
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Speaker 1: found the same thing that we're here and here. One
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Speaker 1: thing that really struck me really doesn't have much of
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Speaker 1: a bearing on the case, but the last person that
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Speaker 1: Kelsey talked to before she was that we know of
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Speaker 1: before she was killed, family wise, was my wife on
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Speaker 1: the phone and she said, by Mom, I love you,
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Speaker 1: And that's pretty much the same thing we heard on
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Speaker 1: this case. So that really hit me hard. And you
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Speaker 1: know what, Greg, I'm hearing your voice and the torment
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Speaker 1: that you and your family have gone through since Kelsey
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped and murdred, and I'm thinking about Daphne's mother
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Speaker 1: who has no idea where her daughter is now. You
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Speaker 1: earlier heard our friend of an Axel Bank and Tampa
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Speaker 1: and Neil Pinks to the District attorney allude to a vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Travis Cummings w RCBTV. After finding
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Speaker 1: her vehicle, it became clear she was gone. Within months,
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Speaker 1: investigators started their search for Daphne, her two dogs, and
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Speaker 1: her father, John Oliver Westbrook, the work of multiple agencies
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Speaker 1: spanning from New Mexico to Colorado. They received no cooperation
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Speaker 1: from Westbrook, an IT expert, he's used untraceable currencies and
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Speaker 1: foreign contact information, and he's used approximately ten aliases since
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Speaker 1: he's left. He's very adempt in hiding his location identity
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Speaker 1: and hers as well. Hamilton County Attorney General Neil Pinks
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Speaker 1: and says, based off of their findings, so far, she's
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Speaker 1: being held against her will through witness testimony, She's constantly
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Speaker 1: being given drugs an alcohol that keeps her in an
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Speaker 1: altered state. Yeah, it's coincidence. You know, sometimes when you're
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Speaker 1: trying a case, you can very simply add two and
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Speaker 1: two and hopefully the jury is going to get four.
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Speaker 1: She goes missing, the dad goes on the run. At
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Speaker 1: to top it all off, he's an IT expert. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me understand if I got this right. Neil Pinkston,
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Speaker 1: District attorney investigating and working in the case. He's an
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Speaker 1: IT expert. He's used ten aliases that we know of.
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Speaker 1: He's hiding his location, his identity and hers as well. Man,
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Speaker 1: you got a lot of work to do, Neil Pinkston.
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Speaker 1: How are you going to find this guy? Well, hopefully
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Speaker 1: we've tracked him pretty well recently, and hopefully with the
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Speaker 1: public press releases and shows such as yours, somebody out
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Speaker 1: there is going to have seen them, is going to
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Speaker 1: call us and is going to lead them to adapting
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Speaker 1: her father. And just a quick reminder, Nancy, the tipline
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Speaker 1: is to zero nine one five. I'm so glad you
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Speaker 1: told me that. Let me fix that and say it
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Speaker 1: again four two three two zero nine seven four one
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Speaker 1: five four two three two zero nine seven four one
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Speaker 1: five Climb Stories with Nancy Grace to Evan exel Bank,
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Speaker 1: our reporter joining us, our guest today from Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 1: That's where you come in. Tell me about what's happening
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Speaker 1: in Tampa. Well, we know that there was a search
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Speaker 1: warrant done at his sister's house in Seabring, which is
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Speaker 1: a little town maybe hour and a half or so
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Speaker 1: south and east of Tampa. It's a little town. Everyone's
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Speaker 1: going to know everybody there, the sisters social media posts
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Speaker 1: are all over the place. Certainly, nothing criminal in that,
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Speaker 1: but it does give you some insight into the kind
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Speaker 1: of you know, the kind of background that this family
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Speaker 1: may have. And without question, police are looking at all
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Speaker 1: of them. Law enforcement are looking at all of the
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Speaker 1: different aspects of you know, who he may be communicating with.
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Speaker 1: Obviously he goes to great length to hide that kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, but he does have a sister in Seabring, Florida.
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Speaker 1: They did do a search warrant on the home to
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Speaker 1: retrieve those devices to find out if there has been
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Speaker 1: any communication with her and him between them. I'm told
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Speaker 1: that they are looking through those devices devices now to
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Speaker 1: try and figure out if there may be messages or
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Speaker 1: clues as to where he may be headed. And that's
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Speaker 1: where we came into the story in Tampa, Florida, because
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Speaker 1: there's a question is if they've been at least communicating
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Speaker 1: a little bit, perhaps he's headed this way, and so
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Speaker 1: our areas on high alert to keep an eye out
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Speaker 1: for either of these two. Isn't it true? Neil Pagas
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Speaker 1: and District Attorney Chattanooga. There have been signings all over
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Speaker 1: the country, and with this guy, the dad, John Oliver Westbrook,
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Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that he's been at every single one
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Speaker 1: of them. Yes, that is true. There have been many
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Speaker 1: sightings out west, some in Florida, several in the Seattle area,
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Speaker 1: all over Colorado, in New Mexico. And he should be
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Speaker 1: noted too. He has another sister in Auburn, Washington that
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Speaker 1: has refused to cooperate with federal and state authorities to
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Speaker 1: help locate Dafty and her father, and the evidence would
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Speaker 1: indicate that that sister has spoken to both of them
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Speaker 1: and has the present ability to tell everyone where they're at,
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Speaker 1: but won't do it, you know. Back to you, doctor
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Speaker 1: William Maroney joining me out of Michigan. Don't laugh, Maroney, don't.
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Speaker 1: But sometimes when I dropped the twins off in the morning,
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Speaker 1: the last thing I yell out the window is seven
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Speaker 1: and a half hours in county until I pick them up.
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Speaker 1: And although I'm working the whole day and doing a
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Speaker 1: million projects, I think about them the whole day. I
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Speaker 1: just can't imagine what this mother is going through, thinking
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Speaker 1: of her teen girl with dad who's pumping her full
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Speaker 1: of LSD and Potter whatever they're doing, keeping her on
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Speaker 1: drugs and away from her mother. She's lost her whole childhood.
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Speaker 1: That's the way it happens when drug use centers the
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Speaker 1: adolescents through the permissive culture. I've seen in the drug
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Speaker 1: port teenage girls that were injected by their mother for
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Speaker 1: heroin because they were lonely and that's how they bonded.
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Speaker 1: So to think that this father's giving drugs, yeah it's wrong,
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Speaker 1: Yeah it's moral, Yeah it's bad, But that's the kind
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Speaker 1: of culture that's out there. Teenage years or experimentation and teenagers,
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Speaker 1: adolescents look to see what do their parents do, And
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Speaker 1: here's this clickers the teeth sinking into this after she's
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Speaker 1: exposed to drugs and alcohol. She doesn't have the capacity
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Speaker 1: to say I'm impaired and I need to clean up.
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Speaker 1: She'll go through withdrawal and if she doesn't get her drugs,
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Speaker 1: she'll get sick. And all the brain does is say,
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Speaker 1: please give me some more drugs because I don't want
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Speaker 1: to get sick. And at that age you just don't understand.
23:34
Speaker 1: She's just trying not to be sick. And as doctor
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Speaker 1: Moroney would say this, as doctor Donner, that is going
23:43
Speaker 1: to actually make her feel a greater affiliation to her
23:48
Speaker 1: father who's the person giving her the drugs, and further
23:51
Speaker 1: push away the relationship with the mother, who stands for
23:56
Speaker 1: possibly a much healthier relationship both to societies himself. I
24:01
Speaker 1: back him up one hundred percent. Absolutely. People don't understand
24:05
Speaker 1: how the drugs in like that, And now the drugs
24:08
Speaker 1: has become healthy, so it's part of their routine now,
24:13
Speaker 1: and this mother is just standing by twisting her hands
24:16
Speaker 1: wondering who her daughter is now. For a very long time,
24:19
Speaker 1: it was believed that the dad had kidnapped his daughter,
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Speaker 1: keeping her high on drugs and not letting her go home,
24:26
Speaker 1: moving from place to place and landing in Colorado. Take
24:29
Speaker 1: a listen to Jim Bitteman and Kate Lee at CBS
24:33
Speaker 1: for Denver police and Tennessee are worried about a teenage
24:37
Speaker 1: girl who's possibly being held here in Colorado against her will.
24:41
Speaker 1: Investigators believe her father kidnapped her. He's already been indicted
24:44
Speaker 1: and charged with aggravated kidnapping. Continuing our coverage of Colorado,
24:48
Speaker 1: at six, Daphne was visiting her dad, John Oliver Westbrook
24:52
Speaker 1: and Chattanooga, Tennessee. She and her two dogs never returned home.
24:56
Speaker 1: Westbrook is known to spend time in Colorado and was
24:59
Speaker 1: reported in Pueblo last month. Daphne was spotted in the
25:03
Speaker 1: Denver area right now. Investigators think Westbrook takes Daphney to
25:08
Speaker 1: ride horses on occasion, so they especially want to get
25:11
Speaker 1: this word out to the state's equine community. Wow, the
25:15
Speaker 1: equine community, in other words, the people that have and
25:18
Speaker 1: ride horses. So now I've got a Seattle siding, Colorado siding.
25:24
Speaker 1: My friend of an Axel bank, a fox thirteen years
25:27
Speaker 1: down in Tampa, is telling me about a search warrant
25:30
Speaker 1: being executed in the search for this girl. Take a
25:33
Speaker 1: listen now to Liz dweki q thirteen Fox Seattle. Investigators
25:39
Speaker 1: in our state are looking for a teenager believed to
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Speaker 1: be kidnapped by her own father more than a year ago,
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Speaker 1: John Oliver Westbrook, whose families from the Auburn area, would
25:49
Speaker 1: not let his seventeen year old daughter leave after she
25:51
Speaker 1: and her two dogs came to visit from Tennessee. Since then,
25:55
Speaker 1: people have actually reported seeing the two in areas throughout
25:59
Speaker 1: the country. Investigate It are struggling to track them down.
26:02
Speaker 1: They say Westbrook is an IT expert specializing insecurity. The
26:08
Speaker 1: father has been indicted on aggravated kidnapping charges, and the
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Speaker 1: links the father is going to to keep his daughter hidden.
26:16
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what officials are saying regarding the
26:21
Speaker 1: means the dad is using. Officials sake, keeping track of
26:27
Speaker 1: John Westbrook's whereabouts have been difficult. He's used about fifteen
26:31
Speaker 1: to twenty different email addresses, as well about ten different aliases,
26:36
Speaker 1: and at one point in the trip out, west purchased
26:38
Speaker 1: hair dye and fake teeth so altered appearances. Bitcoin and
26:42
Speaker 1: blockchain analysis are essentially anonymous financial transactions that don't involve banks.
26:49
Speaker 1: Also is into virtual and voice over IP telephone numbers.
26:54
Speaker 1: You can't rely on sell your telephone companies to provide
26:57
Speaker 1: location or GPS datam. Okay, that is a lot of
27:01
Speaker 1: technical information. You were hearing our friend Joe Ellie Pool
27:04
Speaker 1: w d e F. Let's bring in yet another expert
27:07
Speaker 1: joining us to make sense of it all. You know
27:09
Speaker 1: his name, well, Derek Ellington, Certified Forensic Examiner, licensed PI
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Speaker 1: at Ellington Digital Forensics, Ellington dot net. Deeric. Thanks for
27:22
Speaker 1: being with us trying to dummy down for people like
27:25
Speaker 1: me that only have a JD. For pete say they
27:28
Speaker 1: didn't teach this in law school. I need a little
27:30
Speaker 1: bit help. I heard him talking about IP phones, about
27:34
Speaker 1: all the ways you can cover your tracks, about bitcoin,
27:37
Speaker 1: about I'd like to find out how the guy's making
27:40
Speaker 1: a living to buy all that pot, but that aside,
27:44
Speaker 1: how is he covering his tracks? Derek? Well, Nancy, you
27:49
Speaker 1: and I have talked many times about how these criminals
27:52
Speaker 1: are leveraging the Internet. Derek, it didn't stick, okay unless
27:56
Speaker 1: it's got yellow crime scene dape around it. I don't
27:59
Speaker 1: get it. So better time. Absolutely so. There are a
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Speaker 1: lot of things that the criminals can do to cover
28:07
Speaker 1: their tracks. So you've talked about some of them these
28:09
Speaker 1: anonymous phone numbers, anonymous emails and stuff like that. They
28:14
Speaker 1: even talk about the cryptocurrency or an electronic currency. What's
28:19
Speaker 1: interesting and what gives you investigators like myself and Neil Hope,
28:23
Speaker 1: is regardless of what these people are using, whether they're
28:27
Speaker 1: hiding emails or using disposable phone numbers, or in the
28:31
Speaker 1: case of cryptocurrency, which we'll talk about in a second,
28:34
Speaker 1: if we can put enough data points together, we can
28:38
Speaker 1: start to follow that trailer breadcrumb. A good example is
28:43
Speaker 1: that with bitcoin. People use bitcoin because they feel like
28:48
Speaker 1: it's anonymous, that they can make transactions and nobody knows
28:51
Speaker 1: who they are. But you heard the other people talking
28:54
Speaker 1: about blockchain and stuff like that. All that is is
28:57
Speaker 1: a fancy way of saying, even if you're using a
29:01
Speaker 1: Internet currency, there's a log of all the transactions. I
29:05
Speaker 1: may not know who you are or where you are,
29:08
Speaker 1: but if you do enough transactions, sooner or later I'll
29:11
Speaker 1: figure it out. And the really quick example is you
29:14
Speaker 1: might have somebody who's buying drugs or weapons or other
29:18
Speaker 1: illegal things on the dark web, and you and I've
29:20
Speaker 1: talked about the dark web many times. If we have
29:24
Speaker 1: enough transactions we can figure it out. We've actually busted
29:28
Speaker 1: people because they would buy their drugs, and they would
29:30
Speaker 1: buy their guns, and then they would buy a pizza
29:32
Speaker 1: from the local pizza place, all using the same account.
29:36
Speaker 1: So our hope is when we're trying to find somebody
29:39
Speaker 1: like Westbrook, that we get enough data points and we
29:43
Speaker 1: get lucky we can kind of pin them in. We
29:46
Speaker 1: keep them communicating, keep them emailing, keep them calling. If
29:49
Speaker 1: we can do that, sooner or later we'll have our
29:51
Speaker 1: break crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking
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Speaker 1: about a teen girl, Dafne Westbrook, who seemingly vanishes into
30:10
Speaker 1: thin air. Her car is found, then mommy faces the
30:13
Speaker 1: realization that her estranged ex husband has stolen the girl.
30:18
Speaker 1: Not only stolen her, but is dragging her all the
30:21
Speaker 1: way across the country and keeping her on drugs, daily
30:27
Speaker 1: doses of drugs, authorities say to keep her away from
30:31
Speaker 1: her mother with me. Neil Pinkston, the district attorney there
30:36
Speaker 1: in Hamilton County, Chattanooga, I know you just heard everything,
30:41
Speaker 1: Derek Ellington said, but I got a feeling that this guy,
30:46
Speaker 1: the father, John Oliver Westbrook, is so smart, he's an
30:50
Speaker 1: IT specialist, that he is just as smart as the
30:55
Speaker 1: people trying to catch him. Yeah, there's no doubt he
30:58
Speaker 1: knows how to hide his identity. But as you know
31:01
Speaker 1: Derek mentioned, we've gathered a bunch of data points and
31:04
Speaker 1: hopefully keep connecting those dots to to to find him.
31:09
Speaker 1: But we really need the public's help to to if
31:12
Speaker 1: when they see them to call or email our hotline.
31:16
Speaker 1: And we have an email address finding Daphney at HC
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Speaker 1: dat N dot org. WHOA WHOA WHOA find me Daphney
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Speaker 1: at what h the letter HC d A t M
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Speaker 1: dot org H happy C Charlie D dog A Alpha
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Speaker 1: P Penny M. Mother The t M t N is
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Speaker 1: a Tennessee Okay, I got it. Yes, help find Daphney
31:44
Speaker 1: at HC d A t N. Man, you gotta you
31:50
Speaker 1: gotta do something with that website. No, okay, who's gonna
31:53
Speaker 1: find that? Help me? For Pete's sake, I can't even
31:55
Speaker 1: write it all down. Guys, we're talking about Hey, I
31:59
Speaker 1: want to call the phone. Call Jaculet's backtrack to cut two.
32:04
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Robin Esterbrook. At twelve Knews,
32:09
Speaker 1: Rona Kurtsinger looks over a text message from her sixteen
32:12
Speaker 1: year old daughter said, Hey, Mom, is it okay if
32:15
Speaker 1: I go walk my dog Fern with a friend and
32:18
Speaker 1: I come home later. And I told her yes, that's
32:20
Speaker 1: fine because her curfew is at eleven pm. Daphne Westbrook
32:23
Speaker 1: was last seen leaving her father's home on Florida Avenue
32:26
Speaker 1: in Saint Elma on October sixth, and last Tuesday, her
32:30
Speaker 1: mother says she received a concerning call from her daughter.
32:34
Speaker 1: My daughter's voice was very distant. It sounded like she
32:37
Speaker 1: was on speakerphone and she said, I can't believe you
32:39
Speaker 1: would record me missing. I am not missing, and she
32:42
Speaker 1: hung up the phone. That is the last contact we
32:45
Speaker 1: have had. Police determined that call came from the Dalton,
32:48
Speaker 1: Georgia area. On Tuesday night, her car was found at
32:52
Speaker 1: the Glen Falls trailhead on Lookout Malin. If she was
32:55
Speaker 1: going to just run away, why wouldn't she take her car?
32:58
Speaker 1: And she's not using her phone. Both of those things
33:01
Speaker 1: are are terrifying, especially with the Internet the way that
33:05
Speaker 1: it is. And take a little to our friends at
33:08
Speaker 1: de W D E. F cut Ten, The District Attorney's office,
33:12
Speaker 1: says dealing with the father's daughter abduction case can pose
33:15
Speaker 1: challenges for law enforcement and be deceptive to the public side.
33:19
Speaker 1: People think that they look healthy and happy and there's
33:23
Speaker 1: nothing unusual going on, but our investigation were to reveal
33:26
Speaker 1: she is generally kept under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
33:32
Speaker 1: She's not free to socially interact with anyone except her father.
33:36
Speaker 1: He's in control of her. She's not free to leave.
33:39
Speaker 1: Officials say, John Westbrook has been charged with aggravated kidnapping
33:42
Speaker 1: but has still not been apprehended. Guys, I want to
33:45
Speaker 1: circle back to Neil Pinkston, the district attorney there in Chattanooga.
33:50
Speaker 1: Daphne's mother, or Rona Kurtzinger, says that her daughter has
33:55
Speaker 1: been stripped from everything she knew and loved. Her friends
34:00
Speaker 1: are her home, her school, and then she's just out there,
34:08
Speaker 1: going from hide out to hide out with a dad
34:11
Speaker 1: that's keeping her high on drugs. What's your best shot
34:15
Speaker 1: of bringing this girl home. Well, we're not going to
34:18
Speaker 1: give up until we do. And so the investigation continues,
34:22
Speaker 1: and we're urging and pleading with the public people that
34:26
Speaker 1: know John to come forward and help us bring this
34:28
Speaker 1: girl home. How is he making a living, Neil, He
34:32
Speaker 1: does freelance computer coding and website support through a various
34:39
Speaker 1: websites that hire freelance individuals or independent contract I'm wondering,
34:45
Speaker 1: do you, Nancy, let me say jump out. I'm sorry,
34:48
Speaker 1: Nancy interrupted. I was jumping in to say. That is
34:51
Speaker 1: the other issue. It is very easy to do that
34:53
Speaker 1: because a lot of times when you hire people to
34:56
Speaker 1: do this kind of work for you, there are levels
34:59
Speaker 1: of an anonymity to it, so you know, the person
35:02
Speaker 1: who's working on your company's website could very well be
35:05
Speaker 1: somebody like this because of the kind of it's a
35:09
Speaker 1: it's an open market for getting these type of services,
35:12
Speaker 1: and there's an anonymity to it, so it's it's completely
35:15
Speaker 1: plausible that he is able to make money to at
35:18
Speaker 1: least stay on the run. So doctor Michael Donner COVID
35:21
Speaker 1: has had a whole other layer of complexity this because
35:26
Speaker 1: so many people are working from home, they're not seeing
35:29
Speaker 1: the guy they're hiring freelance, they don't know what he
35:32
Speaker 1: looks like. And even when she gets home, this is
35:35
Speaker 1: going to be a very difficult situation for the daughter
35:37
Speaker 1: and her mother. Father has probably convinced the daughter that
35:41
Speaker 1: he's the better parent, and that's the good parent, bad parent, trapped.
35:46
Speaker 1: She's going to feel affiliated and attached to her father,
35:49
Speaker 1: and it's going to be very difficult for the mother
35:52
Speaker 1: to establish a good relationship with her. This is not
35:55
Speaker 1: over even when she's found Doctor William Moroney, Chief Medical Examiner, County, Michigan,
36:00
Speaker 1: author of American narcam Dr Moroney. Before she can build
36:07
Speaker 1: any relationship with mom, they've got to get her off drugs.
36:11
Speaker 1: How's that going to happen. That's not easy at her
36:14
Speaker 1: age because you need to have insight, and the one
36:19
Speaker 1: thing missing in adolescence is insight. And she's seeing her
36:24
Speaker 1: father be successful. You know, one of the things I
36:27
Speaker 1: think he's also doing as income is he's selling the drugs.
36:31
Speaker 1: He's delivering the drug he's moving around in drug culture.
36:35
Speaker 1: He's dealing with dealers. He can make money and stay
36:39
Speaker 1: off the grid by selling drugs. And she's learning that, Look,
36:44
Speaker 1: there's this whole layer of life under there. It may
36:49
Speaker 1: be kind of fun when she's not high, when she's
36:52
Speaker 1: not sick, what's she doing to be social? She's being
36:56
Speaker 1: introduced to all these felonious elements and right now that's
37:02
Speaker 1: the only thing she has to cope. If you take
37:04
Speaker 1: her and put her in a detox. She's going to
37:07
Speaker 1: be around people who have families and they come visit,
37:12
Speaker 1: and she's not going to understand that. She's not going
37:15
Speaker 1: to identify. Plus, all the medicine we use to help
37:18
Speaker 1: detox adults really hasn't been approved for kids. So it's
37:22
Speaker 1: got to be more psychosocial. There's a lot of counseling,
37:28
Speaker 1: deconstruct and deep program and then build back up. That's
37:32
Speaker 1: what she's gonna have to go through. To Greg Smith,
37:34
Speaker 1: Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County, Director of Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg,
37:41
Speaker 1: you don't have your daughter. Can you imagine a father
37:46
Speaker 1: stealing his daughter and then keeping her drugged up, now
37:54
Speaker 1: well over a year. I mean, if you could just
37:59
Speaker 1: have el see back what you wouldn't give, and then
38:03
Speaker 1: you see a dad doing something like this, well, and
38:07
Speaker 1: unfortunately this happens a lot. I mean, we know the
38:10
Speaker 1: statistics show that in a kidnapping case, it's usually somebody
38:13
Speaker 1: that the victim knows. It's quite often a family member
38:16
Speaker 1: in over eighty percent of the cases. So unfortunately this
38:20
Speaker 1: isn't an anomaly, it's it's the norm when it comes
38:23
Speaker 1: to these types of crimes, which is, which is just
38:25
Speaker 1: a terrible thing. One thought I had when looking um.
38:28
Speaker 1: I was just checking the map while we were talking.
38:31
Speaker 1: I noticed a lot of these states, Tennessee, Washington, Colorado
38:34
Speaker 1: all have the Kelsey Smith bac um. I realized that
38:38
Speaker 1: her father's an IT expert and he's been using some
38:40
Speaker 1: alternative forms or communications. But that, I mean, that's an option.
38:43
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's been used or not, but
38:45
Speaker 1: I'm just something that came to mind, is well, any
38:51
Speaker 1: of those states, their laws are all similar, and they
38:54
Speaker 1: all state that if someone is believed to be missing
38:58
Speaker 1: and in um there's a reasonable suspicion that there's could
39:02
Speaker 1: be bodily harm or death, that their phone could be
39:04
Speaker 1: located by law enforcement to find the location of their
39:07
Speaker 1: cell phone. And I'm hearing that she did have a
39:09
Speaker 1: cell phone. You know. Another thing that it was very poignant.
39:15
Speaker 1: Neil Paston tell me about the discovery of the Bible
39:19
Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty one. There's a citizen of
39:24
Speaker 1: Santa Fe, New Mexico, that apparently has a hobby of
39:28
Speaker 1: searching dumpsters. And I was going through one of the
39:32
Speaker 1: dumpsters in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and found what he
39:36
Speaker 1: termed as a pristine Bible. It wasn't dirty, it wasn't folded.
39:41
Speaker 1: He didn't want to throw it away. He had some
39:43
Speaker 1: odd feeling. He kept the Bible and took it home
39:46
Speaker 1: with him. He opened up inside the cover of the
39:49
Speaker 1: Bible and it was dedicated to Daphne Westbrook from her
39:52
Speaker 1: grandparents for her sixteenth birthday. And he googled Daphne Westbrook
39:58
Speaker 1: and found that she was missing and had been kidnapped.
40:01
Speaker 1: In contacted the New Mexico State Police about the Bible
40:04
Speaker 1: that he had found. Got a question, wasn't that dumpster
40:08
Speaker 1: behind the Trader Joe's, Yes, in the area of Trader
40:11
Speaker 1: Joe's in Santa Fe. Was the video pulled from Trader
40:14
Speaker 1: Joe's to see if they went in there to figure
40:16
Speaker 1: out what they look like right now? Yeah, there with
40:21
Speaker 1: no luck on the video. So apparently he must have
40:24
Speaker 1: done it under the cover of darkness and after hours
40:27
Speaker 1: when to avoid detection. Also in February, we know Westbrook
40:32
Speaker 1: spent several weeks in Pueblo, Colorado. It seems to me,
40:38
Speaker 1: does it seem to you, Neil Pinkston that they are
40:40
Speaker 1: going to areas where they have some connection yes, either
40:46
Speaker 1: business or friend or family connections that he has and
40:49
Speaker 1: that dictates their path as well as he likes to
40:55
Speaker 1: frequent eight bitcoin ATMs. And we also know that he
41:00
Speaker 1: prefers states where medicinal marijuana is legal, dying his hair,
41:06
Speaker 1: false teeth, you name it. This father is keeping his
41:10
Speaker 1: daughter on drugs she's now addicted, to keep her away
41:15
Speaker 1: from her mother. The tip line four two three two
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Speaker 1: zero nine seven four one five please help us find
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Speaker 1: Daphne Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off goodbye friend