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Not-Deer: Michigan’s STRANGEST cryptid may have a very REAL explanation… · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back to this episode of Paranormal Lens.
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Wait, what's the topic? It's totally not deer,
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right? Uh, well, it's... is... not... it... um,
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wait. It is not deer. Uh, okay. So what's the
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topic? Not deer. Yeah, what's the topic? The
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cryptid. Which one? Not deer. The cryptid, not
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deer. Which cryptid? Not -deer. We're just gonna
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do this bit for an hour? I know you're trying
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to make it a bit, and I'm trying to stop it,
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but I also don't know how to. Without, like,
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just doing awkward silence. And we don't want
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people to listen to that. That's not what our
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podcast is. No, no. People don't listen to awkward
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silence. We've had some few awkward silences.
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Yes, we have. But, like, not in the first minute.
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Imagine clicking on a podcast and, like, a minute
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in is just, like, silence for, like, five minutes.
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Welcome to our podcast, where we take deep dives
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looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens. It's full swing into hunting season, right
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Bree? Oh yeah, well, yes, yes, very much so.
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So the date is November 20th today, so we do
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record this in advance, but do you hope by the
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time this airs on November 20th, do you hope
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you catch a deer? Have you caught a deer so far
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this season? When you're not hunting ghosts,
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you are hunting deer. catch deer you do in fact
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shoot deer well you could catch a deer but i
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think that would be very dangerous no you don't
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use naps to use guns uh yes or bows no when you
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say catch a deer i'm picturing like going full
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force running tackle jump in the air onto the
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deer tackle it to the ground put it in a choke
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hold that's catching a deer Yeah, I definitely
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don't want to do that. Oh, dear. Yeah, no, thank
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you. I'm A -okay on that front. No, thank you.
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And then you can shoot the deer. You know what?
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Sure, go for it, Angela. If that's what you want
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to do if you ever go deer hunting and you want
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to full -on tackle a deer. Who am I to stop you
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in your dreams? I don't like hunting. I wouldn't
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do that. That's valid. I feel like deers are
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like kindergarten versus Australian equivalents.
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Did you say deers with an S? Yeah, is that wrong?
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Yes. I was really talking about kangaroos. Yes,
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actually, that is very, very wrong. Never say
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deer. It's just deer. There's never an S. Even
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if you're talking about multiple, it's just deer.
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Multiple is still... Yes. I was informed not
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too long ago that moose is also moose and not
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meese. Correct. Please never use that word. Or
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meesees or... No, it's not meesees, peesees.
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It's like a fucking... It's the same with elk,
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too. So elk is also just elk. Yeah, I knew it
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was an elkies. Elkies. No, no, but anyways. Back
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to my main point. We'll get back to the knot
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deer in two seconds here, I promise. But Angela,
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would you tackle a kangaroo the same way you
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would tackle a deer? I mean, actually, I would
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go more full -on with a kangaroo. I mean, have
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you seen the - They're dangerous. Okay, I would
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much rather try to take on a deer than a kangaroo.
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Yes. A kangaroo would full -on put you in a chokehold.
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Yes, it would. And would probably kill you. Have
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you seen, like, the videos of, like, the kangaroos
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putting dogs in chokeholds? Yes, they are so
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jacked. And then the owner coming up and having
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to punch it in the face to free the dog. I'm
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surprised there's no kangaroo cryptids. They're
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already scary. I don't think there needs to be
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a cryptid related to kangaroos because kangaroos
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are already scary enough. That is very fair.
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So, take a deer. I wouldn't say they're that
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scary. They're just muscular. Take a deer. Not
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muscular. Not Australian. What makes a not deer
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different than a deer? So, that's the thing with
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not deers. Not deers look like deer, right? Until
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you start getting closer to them. And they just
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seem off. Like, some descriptions say they have
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forward -facing eyes, like predators. Or they
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act weird, they stand up on hind legs. They just
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do not act like deer and just something about
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their outward presence is slightly off. You know,
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I'm going to get really nerdy here for a second.
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Okay. You guys, are you, have you guys ever played
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Pokemon? No. No. No. Okay. Well, there is people
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who listen to this and play Pokemon might understand,
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but. There is a specific Pokemon called a Ditto,
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and what it does is it mimics other Pokemon.
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And the way that you can tell it's different
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is by the eyes. They have little tiny black eyes.
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So they look completely identical. 100 % identical,
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except for the eyes. And you don't know in the
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game until you've caught the creature, and then
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it reveals itself as a Ditto. Anyways, so that's
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how I kind of view NotDeer. look like deer until
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you get really close, and then you're like, hmm,
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you don't look like a deer. But also, at the
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same time, there are so many things that can
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explain not deer, and I am very enthusiastic
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about them. Yes. Before we burst everyone's bubble,
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I hear that our resident blonde has come across
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a cryptid or two in her travels out west to western
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Michigan. There's two blondes, Ben. Oh, are you
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blonde? Oh my god. Do not pay attention to things.
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I didn't know she was blonde. Ben, I've known
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you for eight years. But it's dark. It's darker
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than that. Yeah, it's called Dirty Blonde. Oh.
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People would say I'm dirty blonde, too, even.
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Yeah. Blonde is, like, very... Anyways, it doesn't
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matter. Okay, first of all, I'm a guy. Second
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of all, can we restart this recording? I don't
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like the way this is going. Too bad. Too bad,
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Ben. We're gonna keep trucking along. I'm enjoying
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this. I like it. All the audio listeners probably
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think I'm a blonde. Just how stupid. my comments
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i mean definitely in this lighting my hair does
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look more brunette but i'm also backlit so yeah
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if you've never met me in person i think you're
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a not blonde that's entirely possible not blonde
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so of course i'm talking about angela and her
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she's traversed out west to cities as far reaching
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as Muskegon, Michigan. The girl that wants to
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tackle a deer has actually seen the scariest
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deer I think any of us seen with her own eyes.
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I know Bree, you are gonna follow us up with
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a trail cam story that you have with a with a
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creepy deer, but Angela, what did you experience
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that frightful evening? Well... well so the suspense
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oh my god i was driving home and we we live more
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in like a wood woodsy type of area um over where
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my parents house is at so we were over in there
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we gotta drive through some windy dirt roads
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to get to the house so i was in that general
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windy dirt roads wooded area going to slow down
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the dirt road because i don't go fast downward
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roads and all of a sudden here comes this deer
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coming out right in front of me stops right in
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front of my car so obviously then i have to stop
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and he just stands there staring at me This is
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this is the weird part though that really gave
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me the crease because I'm like how how the heck
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is this possible? the deer Deer's eyes were red
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and Not really that really got me because isn't
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it when deer eyes in the headlights aren't those
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usually more golden or yellow you let yellow
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whitish type of thing glow no this this this
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deer had red glowing eyes like i don't know how
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to explain that i looked it up they're saying
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oh that usually it's not the case it's usually
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like the yellow glowing type of eyes i was like
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oh that's not cool anyway After it just stood
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there and was staring at me for a little bit.
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And all of a sudden, it got up on two legs and
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walked away. So this deer that stopped right
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in front of my car, red glowing eyes, stared
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at me like it had a full on staring contest with
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me. Did you win? I don't know. That's scary that
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you don't know. But walking away on two legs.
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Like, you spent more time describing the eyes,
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and I feel like that's the more important part
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of the story. The eyes? Or the walking on two
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legs? The walking on the two legs. Oh. I thought
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the eyes were more of the weird part. I think
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everything is so creepy about this. Like, the
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fact that you think you might have lost a staring
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contest against a deer with glowing red eyes.
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And then it just, like... literally stood up
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and walked away. It didn't just take, like, two
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steps and then just, like, went back on its legs
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and ran. It walked all the way into the woods.
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On two legs. Like, kept walking. I don't know
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if it kept walking once it got into the woods.
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But it was more than, like, three steps. Four
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steps. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was like... That's
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weird. You know what's funny is I literally saw
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a video on TikTok today of a doe in someone's
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backyard standing up on its hind legs and just
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like hopping. Was it walking? No, it was like
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hopping through the person's yard. But it wasn't
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hopping. It was like walking. Oh, that's interesting.
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It was like, wait. Like one foot after the other?
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Kind of, yeah. It wasn't like, oh, I'm human
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strides, but it was like one foot after another.
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It's definitely interesting. Yeah. So you caught
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a not -deer on camera, Bree? No. But I caught
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what could be thought of as a not -deer. to an
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individual who doesn't know deer very well and
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would make like they would look at it and be
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like there's something weird going on with that
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deer it doesn't look like it's real so that's
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one of the things that i want to talk about with
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not deer is well there's multiple things about
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not deer but one thing that can cause people
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to think of a deer as being a not deer is injuries
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and genetic deformities so the one that i caught
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on trail camera which i'm sure you're probably
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gonna share it had a broken jaw um the tongue
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was hanging out of the side of its mouth like
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couldn't really eat all that well Its face looked
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gnarly. Like on the trail cam, you really can't
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tell what's wrong with this deer other than its
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jaw looks weird and its tongue sticking out.
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And I couldn't, I didn't, couldn't really tell
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what was wrong with it either based on the camera
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until I saw it come in while I was hunting and
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could see physically with my eyes and not through
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a pixelated trail camera that it had a broken
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jaw whether that was because it got shot it got
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kicked had some sort of deformity i don't know
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but its jaw was broken and it was somehow living
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well i know why it was living because my neighbors
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were feeding it bread but um how sweet yeah i
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don't think it survived through the winter though
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unfortunately yeah but anyways so there's a lot
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of things like i said nature's brutal and deer
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get injured and it can cause outward physical
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appearances to change. And that's scary to people
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sometimes. And it can cause them to look at a
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deer and be like, Hmm, there's something off
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with that deer. That's a not deer. Yes. Breaking
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news. Deer don't have hospitals to go to. So
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I remember injured. That's how it is for them.
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When I was younger and hunting, a couple times
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we had some piebalds in the area, which if you
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don't know what piebaldism is, it's when usually
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a solid colored animal suddenly appears with
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white spots or patterns. Sometimes they can even
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be fully white. Sometimes it's albinism, but
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piebaldism... They're different. I'm not going
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to go into that, but anyways, so piebaldism,
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they get some white splash color. We had a couple
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piebalds in our area, and that happens when too
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many recessive traits get crossed from inbreeding.
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So essentially, people go out hunting. They shoot
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mostly all the bucks, right? Depending on the
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season, depending on what the DNR has put out
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that year, what you can shoot. But most people
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go out and shoot bucks. In my area, there's not
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a lot of big bucks, so people just shoot the
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little ones when they see them. So that causes
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an overpopulation of does. So when there isn't
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a lot of... bucks or when bucks and there's an
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overabundance of does the does move around a
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lot they see the same bucks that aren't moving
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because the deer they aren't having to travel
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to find the does so the hunters aren't shooting
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the bucks and it causes um inbreeding and recessive
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traits start showing up This is the hard part
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with deer management and the DNR and a lot of
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times why they get so much backlash because people
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think that they're not regulating them well and
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they're putting out too much tags and all this
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other stuff. Well, see, they do it for a reason
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because, one, you don't want these recessive
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traits because it causes things like piebaldism,
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which is, yeah, very pretty, but it is a recessive
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trait. And a lot of these other genes start popping
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up. dwarfism okay short list what are the most
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common if you were to go through like the other
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things like what are the most common that you
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see given that you know we are northern michigan
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which is yes a Why this topic is so relevant
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to us. Brianna's northern Michigan. We're lower
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Michigan. True, but we're still Michigan. Still
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Michigan. This might not be so relevant to the
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California listeners. Firearms season is a statewide
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holiday in Michigan. Yes. I don't know if it
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was for you guys, but I got November 15th off
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in high school. Or in grade school. Oh, you did.
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We definitely did it. We get November 15th off
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in grade school. That's what separates our regions
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of the state, but still, you know, we are still
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the state of Michigan. You know, that's a good
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thing to look at. Did I get November 15th off,
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or did my parents just not have to go to school?
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Now that's, that's a real question. Either way,
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I'm guarantee other people do the same thing.
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So, but this, this, this makes me think, you
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know, when people are always debating about where's
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the line, where does it become Northern Michigan?
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Where is that line? I guess when schools start
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giving the kids off November 15th off for hunting,
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I say that's where the line is. Yeah. I feel
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like I have to look into this now because I don't.
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I don't remember if I actually got it off or
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not. Anyways, so you said a short list of some
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other things. And I was going to say, like, we're
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also in Michigan. So these might just be like,
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are there Michigan specific things that might
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not affect other deer and other populations?
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Well, I'm going to also mention some things that
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are in other populations as well. So this is
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the short list, kind of very comprehensive list.
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So number one that we do see in Michigan. chronic
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wasting's disease yes cwd yes um two i'm not
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i haven't seen this particularly myself i actually
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haven't seen chronic wasting's disease either
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um but white -tailed deer's uh fibroma so that's
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when they have like all the tumors all over them
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yeah I mean, I've seen that in like rescues and
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stuff and like rehab facilities, but I've never
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seen it in the wild. Then now we're getting into
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some things that are farther south. I don't know
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if they've made it all the way up into northern
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Michigan yet, but EHD or episodic hemorrhagic
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disease. And then also blue tongue disease, which
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both of those. yeah those are both very similar
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and also transmitted the same way um and kind
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of have the same symptoms but are technically
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classified different so yeah so you guys are
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vaguely familiar with cwd because i've definitely
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talked about it before and if you aren't from
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michigan I mean, it's a very, it's unfortunately
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chronic wasting disease is very prevalent in
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a lot of southern states out west. And it's unfortunately
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made its way all the way to Michigan. It's slowly
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working its way up the state. And I'm also very
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passionate about it because I did work with the
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DNR for a season. Not doing technically CWD testing.
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I didn't work in a CWD zone. I did TB testing,
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so essentially I spent all day cutting heads
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off deer. That was fun. Kind of. I guess it depends
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on who you talk to. It was interesting. It was
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nice talking to hunters and helping spread information
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and helping them. like encouraging to them to
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help with testing and research further into tuberculosis
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and deer in Michigan and you know that sort of
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stuff and I also got to see a lot of really big
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bucks and it was very nice and it made me very
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jealous but that's besides the point last night
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there was a buck that ran out in front of our
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car that was cool It was a real one, though.
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It was the first time I've seen a deer with horns.
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I was about to say, what do you mean it was a
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real one? And then I'm like, oh wait, we're talking
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about not deer. But also, Bree, you sound like
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your DNR stint was the hospital for deer that
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Angela said didn't exist. No. In some ways, you're
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doing testing. Yeah, but all of the deer that
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came... And were dead. Very much dead. It was
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more of a mortuary. A funeral home? No. Neither
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of those either. Oh. We just collected specimens.
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There is one hospital My job involved buckets
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of bleach and a hacksaw. That was it. Do you
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want to know of the one deer hospital I know?
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Oh. It's the D -E -E -R. D -E -E -R. Then...
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I was holding onto that for like 30 minutes,
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you guys. Give me my moment. Okay, continue.
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Yeah. So, the one thing... Oh my god. D -E -E
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-R. D -E -E -R. What does the D -E stand for?
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The E -R. Emergency room. D emergency emergency
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room. Okay. Alright, anyways, but chronic wasting
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disease. How much you guys, like I said, you
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guys know vaguely about it. The one thing that
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I find scary about it is that it is a prion disease.
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Oh no. Do you guys know what prions are? Or what
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a prion disease is? Not really. Have I ever had
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one? I hope you haven't had a prion disease.
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That means probably no. No, I don't. Yeah, so
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essentially it's one, it is a neurological disease
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and it affects the proteins in DNA. So what it
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does is it essentially like rewrites itself over
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and over and again. It mutates the proteins.
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and this is what causes like damage to the brain
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and the nervous system and causes the deer to
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go all haywire and act ridiculous and you know
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um lose weight not really eat a lot of food they're
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just it really messes them up there's no recovery
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for it that if they get cdwd it is a death sentence
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And the scary thing with a prion disease is we
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don't know too much about it. And there's always
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that risk that it could mutate and transfer to
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humans. Do you think would there be a way, would
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it be pretty much a death sentence for humans
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if they get it? Right now? Yes. I think so. But
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also, I'm not that science -y, and like I said,
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I don't think there's that much research into
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it at this time. But hopefully, they're working
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on something in the background just in case it
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becomes more of a reality instead of a possibility.
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Yeah. What does sound abundantly clear, though,
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is when you start talking about mutations and
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weird behaviors and... um and all that it does
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sound very much like a not deer yeah it sounds
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sounds uh not right yeah but like it doesn't
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it doesn't just happen in white tail deer though
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because it is sex a sex excuse me effects i've
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never heard of that one it affects all cervid
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species so um deer White -tailed deer, mule deer,
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elk, moose. I think even some, like, pronghorn
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antelope can get CWD. But I might be incorrect
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about that. Don't quote me on that. We've won
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5 -10. Kangaroos? No. No. It's not a kangaroo
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disease. Thank goodness. Though, hey, I totally
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forgot to mention that some people think that...
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Not deer can be explained by kangaroos. And I
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know that's probably why you brought up kangaroos
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earlier. Like an escaped kangaroo from a zoo
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or something. Yeah, exactly. Because they walk
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on two legs. They have front facing eyes like
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a predator. And that kind of matches the description
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of a not deer. And they have the big ears. They
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have like the longer nose. So they're saying
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like all these sightings of not deer. could be
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escaped kangaroos. I highly fucking doubt it.
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Yes, it is very unreasonable to think of, but
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it is not unreasonable to think that maybe one
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or two sightings could be a kangaroo, because
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there are people who do farm -raise kangaroo
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for kangaroo meat. Not here, though. I'm pretty
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sure, yeah, there are... Kangaroo farms. Probably
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not in Michigan, but in the United States. So
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we're not even talking about zoos. We're talking
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about, like, are these kangaroo farms, like,
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well -known? Like, can you research? Probably
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not. I don't know. I think Angela's looking some
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stuff up right now. There might be a kangaroo
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conspiracy. Honestly, I take it not there. I
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know you can own a kangaroo in some states. No
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way. Yeah. But anyways, so... You can't even
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own some insects. Sorry, continue. So, like I
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was saying, I know it sounds unreasonable and
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absolutely absurd, but it is not so far out of
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reason that it is unreasonable. In some cases.
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In some cases. Like I said, I don't think kangaroo
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are the main cause of not deer, but I don't think
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it should be taken out of the drawing for how
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absurd it sounds. Well, what do you say the reason
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not deer is such a intriguing and also important
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topic to discuss is not because there's, like,
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one thing that debunks them all, but, like, there's
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so many reasons that people still claim. Yeah.
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You know, so it could be any combination of all
28:50
these explanations. I'm looking it up. I mean,
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I don't really see anything about, like, farms,
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but there's, like, this place in... southeast
29:00
michigan um called big dreams ranch and it looks
29:05
like they got a lot of kangaroos there but it's
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not a farm not a farm it's like a sanctuary yeah
29:11
so it's not without reason that a kangaroo could
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escape from somewhere maybe the kangaroo has
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big dreams of its own yeah needs to get out of
29:21
the sanctuary that was a good good break of um
29:25
in between talking about different diseases That
29:28
can cause not deer syndrome. I'm going to call
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it not deer syndrome. NDS. Yeah. So the other
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thing that I mentioned was EHD and blue tongue
29:43
disease. Like I said, I don't think either of
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these are in Michigan yet. If they are, they're
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further south. Because this is spread. by an
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insect called midges. Have you guys ever heard
30:03
of midges? I don't know what it is. So they're
30:06
little tiny, like, almost flies, that bite. Oh,
30:11
one of those really tiny, small flies? Yeah,
30:15
yeah. Like, we'll consider them, like, I don't
30:22
know if you guys have ever heard of the no -see
30:24
-ums. no seeums no you've never heard of them
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referred to that they're like these little tiny
30:31
fly like they're they're midges but like they're
30:34
so tiny they're you can't really see them anyways
30:37
doesn't really matter we call them no seeums
30:39
um but you can see them when they're in big like
30:43
clumps of them clusters yeah so ehd um and blue
30:51
tongue disease. Both of them are viral diseases
30:54
that are spread by these midges. And the reason
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why you don't see it as much up here in northern
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Michigan, or if we see it much in Michigan, is
31:05
because we have that winter die -off of the mosquitoes
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and midges. I do want to say that this has been
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the most Michigan episode we've ever done. Oh
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yeah, don't you know, dear? I do. Now we just
31:20
need to do one about Dog Man. Dog Man. You know
31:25
what would be fun if we do Dog Man hunting? We
31:29
should. We should do a live recording from the
31:31
woods. We should bring Carl. Bring Carl. It'll
31:35
be awesome. He was one of our friends from back
31:40
in college and he had his own Dog Man experience.
31:48
Let's bring Carl onto the podcast and we talk
31:51
about Dogman. He has a really good story. It's
31:53
great. It's undebunkable. I can never get over
31:57
his telling of his Dogman story. Me neither.
32:01
I want to know the details so bad. We'll have
32:04
him on, either in the woods or, you know, over
32:07
Zoom. We'll have him on. I hear a lot of stories
32:10
about Dogman, and I'm honestly, I'm like, oh,
32:14
there might be something out there about Dogman,
32:16
and it's kind of crazy. I don't know. We'll save
32:19
that for another day. Yeah, we'll save that for
32:20
a different day. Down the road, we can't do too
32:23
many cryptid ones back to back here. You know
32:26
what's funny about... Deer. Just going back to
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deer for a second. My family and I have a coined
32:33
term that we call deer sometimes. We call them
32:37
dirt -da -durs. Dirt -da -durs? Dirt -da -durs.
32:43
Deer are so stupid. You're driving down the road,
32:46
right? You see deer on the side of the road.
32:48
They're acting like they're going to cross the
32:50
road. So you slow down, right? They either take
32:53
off the other way, or they're like... oh yeah
32:55
i'm going to cross the road they kind of just
32:58
dirt across the road instead of you know taking
33:01
off so we call them dirt i just had to share
33:07
that and i think uh to end this on um two i have
33:12
two i have two things one is a statement one
33:14
is a question one i think this is a very important
33:17
to look at not only from a um scientific point
33:20
of view but also a paranormal lens type of view
33:23
right because if there's a lesson to be had here
33:25
i think it is uh that not everything that looks
33:29
off is scary not everything that's weird and
33:32
you don't understand is scary and there's or
33:35
paranormal or paranormal and there's often uh
33:39
logical often sadder more complex and complicated
33:45
reasons why things are the way they are and even
33:48
though the simplest explanation sometimes to
33:50
you is that it must be a ghost or a cryptid doesn't
33:54
mean that's the case and that's how we look at
33:56
deer through a paranormal lens are you sure you
34:02
didn't see a kangaroo like i feel i feel like
34:06
their eyes actually do glow red wait wait wait
34:09
no wait let me look this up let me look at each
34:12
other's minds I was going to ask my last question
34:15
because that's a statement and a question. My
34:17
question was, do we think Angela saw a deer,
34:21
a not deer, or a kangaroo? I'm voting kangaroo,
34:26
honestly. Oh, wait, wait, wait. It says, yes,
34:29
kangaroo eyes can glow red or a reddish orange.
34:34
See? See? See? When lights shine on them. Well,
34:37
fuck. Was there a kangaroo, Lucy? Maybe you saw
34:39
a kangaroo. Let me look. Let me look. Let me
34:42
look. Kangaroos loose in West Michigan. So you
34:46
can look that up after this. No, I'm looking
34:49
it up right now. You know the exact date this
34:52
occurred? Our audience deserves to know. Hold
34:55
on. Have there been any loose... What's your
35:07
question, Ben? That was the question. Yeah, I
35:11
thought you had another one. No, that's why you
35:13
read my mind. I feel like our viewers could actually
35:22
look this up on their own if they really wanted
35:25
to. No, because low -key legit, one second. low
35:30
-key legit one second um in march 2022 which
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could have been i think mine was more like 2021
35:40
but it could have been maybe 2022 there was a
35:44
kangaroo named douglas that was that was spotted
35:49
hopping around in hardsley township in lapierre
35:53
county Okay, so that's on the opposite side of
35:57
the state. That's a year later. Nowhere near
35:59
you. Could he have hobbled all the way to West
36:03
Michigan, maybe? Probably not. Hmm. It's likely
36:07
that you saw a deer, but, like, kangaroos' eyes
36:12
do glow red, and it did walk away on two legs.
36:17
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