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Victoria Jackson Opens up About Life, Death, and Hollywood · The Becket Cook Show

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  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, welcome to the show. Today.
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  Speaker 4: I have a very special guest, a dear friend, Victoria Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: You know where her from SNL. She has a new
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  Speaker 4: book out called Not Dead Yet. The subtitle is a
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  Speaker 4: lifetime of handstands, art and poetry. It's a very kind
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  Speaker 4: of like a coffee table book. There's tons of images
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  Speaker 4: in it and we're going to look at some of
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  Speaker 4: those images today.
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  Speaker 3: On the show. They're very very funny and the book.
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  Speaker 4: I've interviewed her on the show before, but after reading
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  Speaker 4: this I found out some very fascinating details.
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  Speaker 3: About her life that I didn't know about. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to get into that, but.
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  Speaker 4: to all those who are patrons, I just want to
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  Speaker 4: just say thank you so much. It's been a wonderful
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  Speaker 4: and it's so helpful. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: But first award from our sponsor. Now please welcome Victoria Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: I'm such a fan. You like the Beatles. To me,
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  Speaker 1: you still like the Beatles because you're so brave and
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  Speaker 1: you're so handsome, and you go against culture and you
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  Speaker 1: stand up for truth, which is way more beautiful than
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  Speaker 1: any song ever written.
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  Speaker 3: Ah. I love that. I'm better than the Beatles. That's
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  Speaker 3: a vay. I've never heard that before.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell Paul McCartney I said that.
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  Speaker 4: I know we're going to get to Paul McCartney in
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  Speaker 4: a minute because we have a good image of you
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  Speaker 4: with him.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Who's the Who's the person in the background in your
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  Speaker 4: on your counter.
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  Speaker 3: That's Charlie kirk Oh.
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  Speaker 1: And I love him so much. I'm so proud of him.
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  Speaker 1: He was a martyr for Jesus Christ. You know, right
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  Speaker 1: before he got shot, he told the gospel. They don't
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  Speaker 1: play that in the clips. He told the gospel. Then
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  Speaker 1: a guy asked a question. Then he got shot.
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  Speaker 4: He died for Jesus, I know, I know, well he's
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  Speaker 4: he's in heaven now, which is amazing. But it's sad
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  Speaker 4: for his wife and kids, very sad, and it's sad
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  Speaker 4: for us. But okay, so by the way, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I read this book cover to cover and it is
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  Speaker 4: so yes, look at all my notes, like it.
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  Speaker 3: Is so much fun. Why did you do this book? Now?
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  Speaker 4: Is this like kind of to pass down to like
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  Speaker 4: you know, what is this for? Why did you come
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  Speaker 4: up with this idea? Where did it come from?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for reading it. That means
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  Speaker 1: a lot to me. Second of all, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: much time and you didn't have to. Second of all,
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  Speaker 1: was it fun or was it sad? Or was it
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  Speaker 1: happy or fun?
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  Speaker 3: Or what it was all of the above?
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  Speaker 4: It was fun, there's and we're going to get to
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  Speaker 4: some of these things. There were some things in the
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  Speaker 4: book that were like I had no idea, like we'll
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  Speaker 4: get to the Playboy mansion, but there were things in
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  Speaker 4: the book I didn't know about, and we're going to
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  Speaker 4: get to some of those things. So there were a
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  Speaker 4: lot of like the Gap commercial. We won't get into it,
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  Speaker 4: but I want you to tell that story later because
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  Speaker 4: it's the funniest thing, because I've auditioned for gap commercials.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll get to that later.
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  Speaker 1: Of Okay, you asked me why I wrote it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you were going to say?
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  Speaker 3: First? Yeah? Why did you write it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Since I was a child, I have written poetry,
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  Speaker 1: and nobody buys poetry, nobody reads poetry. A few people
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  Speaker 1: write poetry and they like to read their own poetry.
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  Speaker 1: But I loved it. My husband, if you ask him
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  Speaker 1: if I'm talented at anything, he'll say poetry. He's done me.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, the reason you're good at poetry and
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  Speaker 4: singing and writing songs is because you said in the
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  Speaker 4: book you said you were in church three times a week,
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  Speaker 4: and uh it helped you with writing poems and rhyme.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I was saying was, if I try to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what I love poetry, My whole childhood was
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  Speaker 1: years of spending vanity and pride, caring. Not my Lord
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  Speaker 1: was crucified, No, neither was for me. He died a calvary.
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  Speaker 1: Every hymn has that meter of poet I am bic
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  Speaker 1: meter or whatever. And then we didn't have a TV.
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  Speaker 1: And then we went to musicals. You know, the one
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  Speaker 1: and only genuine family band. Let's put it over with
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  Speaker 1: Grover Don't wrote the boat, give him your vote, give you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my whole childhood was rhyming songs. I thought
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  Speaker 1: I was living in a movie, my whole life and
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  Speaker 1: a musical. And I wrote the musical score to my life,
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  Speaker 1: just not not for anyone to see, just for me.
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  Speaker 1: But then I started showing people my poems and songs.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's even more fun if some one goes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I like that. But anyway, as I got diagnosed with
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  Speaker 1: stage four breast cancer a year ago, I got diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: with stage three ten years ago. Oh but one year ago,
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  Speaker 1: they said, it's it's growing in other places in your body.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm a I'm on a daily chemo pill that
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  Speaker 1: uh the Google said people who take it live two
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  Speaker 1: years longer than they would have lived, whatever that means.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, and then, like the newspapers all had said
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  Speaker 1: Victoria Jackson dying from there was a tumor right near
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  Speaker 1: my windpipe and I couldn't breathe a year ago, and
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  Speaker 1: they radiated it and now I can breathe.
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  Speaker 3: Oh good.
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  Speaker 1: But it's starting to feel like it's growing back. So
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  Speaker 1: I just had an MRI today. I just had an
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  Speaker 1: MRI today, and they're gonna if it's growing back, they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna zap it again. But anyway, when you get diagnosed
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  Speaker 1: with cancer, you start to think of wrapping your life up.
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  Speaker 1: It's like get a will, you know, get a grave.
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  Speaker 1: Finish your book. And so my book was my in
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  Speaker 1: my brain since I was a child. I was writing
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  Speaker 1: my book, and I wanted all my poems in one book.
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  Speaker 1: And I wanted all of my handstand photos in one
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  Speaker 1: book because I've taken them since I was born. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize I was taking.
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  Speaker 3: The handstand photos in the book.
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  Speaker 5: Lots of well, it starts when I started doing it
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  Speaker 5: when I was born, but I don't have any pictures
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  Speaker 5: until like four, and then I have photos of handstands.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's before I learned to be on my hands.
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  Speaker 1: I had to learn to be on my feet. That's
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  Speaker 1: me and my dad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's our.
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  Speaker 1: Little humble ghetto neighborhood. And he taught gymnastics in the backyard.
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  Speaker 1: In the front yard, actually, we had a trampoline in
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  Speaker 1: our backyard and uneven bars and a balance beam. In
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  Speaker 1: our backyard, in that little humble neighborhood where we got
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  Speaker 1: robbed three times and our Christmas presents got stolen. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so I thought, I have photographs from until my last
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  Speaker 1: handstand was like on my cruise to Greece last summer,
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  Speaker 1: and so I thought they should all be together. And
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  Speaker 1: then I put little stories in between, and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this would be interesting to anyone else,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what. Every night I listened to
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  Speaker 1: audio books. I listened to Martin short Story, Our Senior
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  Speaker 1: Hall's Story, Liza Manali's life story. I forget the other
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  Speaker 1: one I just listened to. And I am fascinated with autobiographies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that people would enjoy it, not just
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  Speaker 1: my children. Well, my children don't even want to look
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  Speaker 1: at it because they lived it and they've seen all.
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  Speaker 1: They don't they're not interested. Maybe maybe when I die,
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  Speaker 1: maybe my grandchildren might read it. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great legacy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a wonderful thing to pass down, and
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  Speaker 4: it's great for anyone, to anyone. Everyone should buy this
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  Speaker 4: because it's really fun.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this short break, thank you,
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  Speaker 3: and there's one.
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  Speaker 1: There's one main reason I wrote it. My purpose, my
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  Speaker 1: special purpose that God gave me when I was a child,
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  Speaker 1: was to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world,
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  Speaker 1: to the jew first and also to the Greek. Go
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  Speaker 1: into all the world and preach the gospel to the
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  Speaker 1: jew first and also to the Greek. And I went
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  Speaker 1: to Bible College when I was sixteen. And God tells
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  Speaker 1: us that our mission is to tell people the good
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  Speaker 1: news that there is such a thing.
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  Speaker 6: As eternal life, that Jesus is real, that he loves you,
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  Speaker 6: that he died for your sins, and he forgave you,
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  Speaker 6: and you can live with him forever in heaven where
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  Speaker 6: there is no sin, if you just accept Him as your.
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  Speaker 1: Lord and savior. And that's the main reason I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to write the book, to to use my kookie, unconventional
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  Speaker 1: life to point people to Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Life exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I painted this picture, that his picture, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a painter, but I try. I painted this picture.
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  Speaker 1: It's near the end and it says eternal life, eternal life,
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  Speaker 1: eternal life. Where is it? Oh? The color one? They
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  Speaker 1: made it into a little did you know it's called tile.
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  Speaker 1: When you repeat a picture over and over, it's not
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  Speaker 1: called wallpaper. It's called tile.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, see this is my picture.
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  Speaker 1: Eternal life, Eternal life, eternal life.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I handstand in my hand. A lot of people want
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  Speaker 1: to live forever, and they do it by putting their
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  Speaker 1: name on a building or writing a hit song or
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  Speaker 1: a painting.
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  Speaker 4: Or Barbara Streisan has her name on Cedar Sinai right
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  Speaker 4: down the street on the building.
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  Speaker 3: But you know that doesn't help.
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  Speaker 1: It's a way to try to live forever. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: probably guilty of that too. But but yeah, because fame
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  Speaker 1: is pretty fun, it has a side.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, we're going to get into some of the
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  Speaker 4: dark side.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So but your dad, obviously your your dad was a
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  Speaker 4: gymnastics coach, and you said, you say in the book
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  Speaker 4: that you were never crazy about gymnastics, but you did
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  Speaker 4: it because it was like the family business, right right.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know I had a choice. I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a choice. It was like every day after school there
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  Speaker 1: was little tumblers in my yard or else. My dad
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  Speaker 1: was driving me to you lead a Park or North
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  Speaker 1: Miami Armory too, to help him teach classes, and I
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  Speaker 1: was on the competitive team and all that jazz.
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  Speaker 4: And how did you get into Where did the handstands
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  Speaker 4: come in?
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  Speaker 3: How did that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny thing. In balance, beam bars, vaulting and
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  Speaker 1: floor X you you use the handstand yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you used back bends, back walkovers, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of handstands involved. And we used to do contests, all
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  Speaker 1: the little girls on one mat and he would go, ready, go,
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  Speaker 1: and he'd go one one thousand and two, one thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three, one thousand and so whoever, whatever girl was
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  Speaker 1: stayed up the longest was the winner. And that was
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  Speaker 1: like my whole childhood when you could when you could
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  Speaker 1: hold a handstand for like a long time. A minute
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  Speaker 1: is a long time, by the way, you can do
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  Speaker 1: it in your be routine, bars, routine three X you know.
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  Speaker 1: So basically it's one of the stables of being a gymnast.
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  Speaker 1: And I happened to be good at it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't better than Olga Korvette, but like
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  Speaker 1: each gymnast has their own strengths. And my dad said
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  Speaker 1: he thought I was good at balancing because I had
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  Speaker 1: good inner ear fluid or something like that. And he
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  Speaker 1: thought I was good on the balance, mean because my
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  Speaker 1: hips were wide, and he says, I think that it
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  Speaker 1: helps you balance, But my legs were long and I
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  Speaker 1: was short waisted. So that's bad for uneven bars because
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  Speaker 1: you're whipping around the bars and if you have a
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  Speaker 1: short body and long legs, that's not good. So the
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  Speaker 1: girls who did the best had short little legs and lo.
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  Speaker 4: It was like Mary Lee Rettin was like very good
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  Speaker 4: because she was so she was like a miniature.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to be about four to ten if
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  Speaker 1: you're a gymnast. It's a very weird sport. I would
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  Speaker 1: not have picked it for myself. If I could pick one,
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  Speaker 1: I would have picked dancer because dancer gives you a
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  Speaker 1: great body, and it's both of them. Dancing and gymnastic
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  Speaker 1: really helps you in many areas. It helps you learn
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  Speaker 1: to read faster, perceptional motor skills, good visual recall, confidence, discipline,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But I have children dancing.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it helps you on Broadway too, which
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  Speaker 3: I had to.
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  Speaker 1: Take dancing for gymnastics.
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  Speaker 3: But oh, okay, and who is tell us about coach
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  Speaker 3: Nancy and what happened with.
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  Speaker 1: Her, but she might be listening.
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  Speaker 4: Oh she's still like, can you not tell that story
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  Speaker 4: because it's hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: It's not hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, it's a great story because you see, you
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  Speaker 1: can use everything for your art, and all good art
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  Speaker 1: comes from pain. That's my motto of life. My quote,
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  Speaker 1: Anne LaMonte said, art is preaching. I love that quote.
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  Speaker 1: Art is preaching.
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  Speaker 3: I tell, like, what do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, like if you go to Art Basil in Miami
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  Speaker 1: and you see, yeah, but across of Jesus with defecated
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  Speaker 1: defecation on it, you know what they're saying. They're saying,
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  Speaker 1: I hate Jesus. Right, it is preaching.
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  Speaker 3: Remember the artists who did that.
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  Speaker 4: He put the crucifix in the toilet and it was
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  Speaker 4: remember that in the it was like in the eighties
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  Speaker 4: or nineties, and it was called I don't know, I
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  Speaker 4: hate to say this, but it was called Christ. It
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  Speaker 4: was just so I remember how like scandalous that was.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, you're right, it is.
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  Speaker 1: They're preaching. They're preaching yay Satan, and they're preaching I
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  Speaker 1: hate Jesus, which is so blasphemous, and he's God. They're
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  Speaker 1: talking about God who made the universe.
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  Speaker 7: And.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, they won't be that casual on judgment day. But anyway, art,
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  Speaker 1: if you really think about it, everybody is saying a message.
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  Speaker 1: They are preaching something in everything they do. And if
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  Speaker 1: you I taught my daughters to watch movies that way
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  Speaker 1: and say, like, what's the underlying propaganda that, Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to what are they trying to shove down your throat?
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  Speaker 1: And that so my work is shoving Jesus down your
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  Speaker 1: throat so unapologetically. But you know, some people could argue
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  Speaker 1: that sticking my butt in the ear at a handstand is
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  Speaker 1: not doing that, but I defer. I know.
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  Speaker 3: It's tasteful the way you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, But anyway, I was raised that way,
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  Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do? So I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Uh, I have a lot of grace for
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  Speaker 1: people like I was judging our senior Hall until I
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  Speaker 1: listen to his autobiography and he had a tough childhood
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  Speaker 1: and I don't judge him so harshly anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Oh why were you judging him harshly? Was he mean
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  Speaker 3: to you?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I worked with him a couple of times.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was just you know, he wasn't very nice to you,
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  Speaker 3: was he.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was nice to me. Yes, he was nice
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, no, he was nice to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know what. I tried not to say anything. No,
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing negative to say about our Senio. Why
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  Speaker 1: did that even come up?
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  Speaker 4: Oh because you were talking about I forgot.
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  Speaker 3: You were talking about his autobiography and you judged him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you why. I judged him because I
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  Speaker 1: always heard his dad was a preacher, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're not acting like a Christian. Your dad was a preacher.
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  Speaker 1: You grew up here in the hospool, and you should
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  Speaker 1: you should be out there tell people about Jesus. And
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  Speaker 1: then I read I read his memoir. He didn't grow
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  Speaker 1: up with his dad. His parents divorced when he was
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  Speaker 1: very little, and he grew up with a mom who
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  Speaker 1: had drug dealer boyfriends in the house. He grew up
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  Speaker 1: with drug dealer boyfriends in the house, not with the
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  Speaker 1: not the way I did, like in church four times
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  Speaker 1: a week. So that's why I shouldn't judge people.
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  Speaker 3: And exactly, well, that's good. I'm glad. I'm glad you
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  Speaker 3: don't judge him anymore. I like it.
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  Speaker 4: I used to like our Cineo back in the day
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  Speaker 4: in the eight whenever his show was on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in the half hour comedy hour with
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  Speaker 1: him before he had his show, before we had anything.
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  Speaker 1: It was like nineteen eighty three. The other reason I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to write the book was a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: find God when they're dying or have cancer, and I
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  Speaker 1: sort of wanted to say I didn't find God when
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  Speaker 1: I was dying. Found him when I was six years old,
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  Speaker 1: and he's been with me through every difficult thing life
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  Speaker 1: has thrown me for my whole life. And now he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: going to help me through death, which is probably the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: most scary thing I probably will go through. But I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: asked God, when I die, please. They just found cancer
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: on my pelvic bone and I and I was telling
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: my doctor yesterday and he goes, that was there two
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: years ago. I go, nobody told me anyway, because I've
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: been having hip pain and now they're thinking it's not
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: related to cancer. Maybe it's from gymnastics. But anyway, what
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: was I saying, I've forgotten him?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well, what did you What was your initial reaction?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: You were You're talking about dying, like the kind of
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: fear of dying sort of or not fear but just you.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, I was telling you what I was telling God.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I said, God, when I die, could I please, could
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it please not be scary, not be painful, and not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: be sad because I hate to be sad. I'm very
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I'm hardly ever sad, and because there's so much to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: look forward to, especially if you know the Bible. Yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and I never and pain. Pain pills are great for pain.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I know they have morphine and all kinds of things,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to be scared. And the Lord's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: going to answer that, So I'm just going to have
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a really nice passing hopefully into the But but when
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you have cancer and you're you have suffering and pain,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I tell you, it really makes you empathetic to the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: millions of people in the world who are suffering, suffering
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: way worse than me.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Well, what was it like when you first found out
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: you had stage three and then stage four?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: What was your initial reaction when you found out you
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: had cancer?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Well, when I first found out, I was fifty seven
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and jan Hawks from my Saturday Night live cast had
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: just died from it from cancer, and I thought, you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: it's about time I had a tragedy in my life.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I've had so many blessings. Then I thought, what did
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I do wrong? I drink too much Chardinay. Yes, I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: smoked secret cigarettes, not a lot lot, but a few
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: secret ones.
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Is it from sugar? I did eat a lot of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: sugar and bubblegum. I was anorexic, bollimic, you know. So
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you think of all of the bad things you've done
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to your body and try to assess how you got it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It's not in my family. And then I thought, well,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: this is going to make my testimony way more interesting.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And then I thought, this is my new adventure because
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: God is allowing it. God could let me die from
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: millions of different things, and many times I almost died.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Once at the Olympics in a car was being driven
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: around a steep mountain with my family and we almost
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: went off the cliff. Wasn't our fault, and I could
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: kind of feel an angel pushing the car back on
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the road. But anyway, God is in control. So it's like, Okay, God,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: help me in this new adventure. And that's how I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: felt when I first got it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's good, that's good. I like it. Now
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: there's some stories in the book I want to get into. First.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Can you tell us the story of the Gap commercial?
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Because I you know I did. I acted in a
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: bunch of commercials back in the day. I was a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: audition for Gap commercial. I auditioned for those nineties ones
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: where you had to dance in Me Too.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: We're probably at the same audition. So tell us about
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: your audition for Gap.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Well, let's see. Came to Hollywood, no agent, no money,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: no connections. I had one connection, Johnny Crawford from the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Rifleman series, and he hadn't worked in a really long time.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: He took me to the Playboy Mansion. He didn't want
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to take me to the Playboy Mansion because I said, Johnny,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you go to the Playboy Mansion every weekend. And how
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: am I going to get an agent? I don't schmooze
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: with anyone. I'm a typist at the American Cancer Society
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and I feed old people food at the Kipling Hotel.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: H How am I going to meet an agent? And
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: he goes, well, there is Betty Fanning at the William.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Moore, William Morris. I knew Betty Fanning very well.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: She was she was one of the agents in my
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I was because I was represented by William Morris as well.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: So I knew Betty Fanning very well.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Wow she was my bride'smaid at my wedding.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: So wait tell wait, oh okay, so wait tell us again.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: How did you meet Betty Fanning at.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: The Playboy Mansion? So basically I said, Johnny, how am
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I gonna make connect? How am I going to get
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a career if I don't Ever? He goes, VICKI, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: don't want to take you to the Playboy Mansion because
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to change. And I said, what
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: do you mean? He goes? All the girls who go
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: there start drinking and smoking and get breast in plants
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and change their name like to like Chloe or tiffen
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: A or someing. And I said, I won't change. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: so because I was a Baptist virgin nineteen eighty eighty
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: when I came here with him to be in his
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: nightclub act, so he took me there, and I very
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: gradually started experimenting with cigarettes and alcohol. I would go
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to the bartender because I didn't like the movie on
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: movie night, and I would go, what does the merger
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it taste like, and he'd give me a sip and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: then I'd say, Oh, can I try a piano? Color
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it up? They're all free, you know, Can I try?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: What's the sex on the beach? What are that days?
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I did start experimenting with cigarettes because all
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of the girls there were skinny and they smoked, so
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Johnny kind of didn't. He wanted to protect me from that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But anyway, while I was there, I did meet Betty
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Fanning and she did become my commercial agent. That's how
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I got the Gap commercial audition.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Well when you.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: When you met her at the mansion, what did you
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: say to her? Did you say, I want you to
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: be I need an agent? Like?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: What did you How did you get her to be
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: your agent?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you you have good questions, Bucket, our paths.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Must have I know, we were like ships of the night. Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Well, Johnny went up to her and he said, Betty,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Victoria just got a commercial. I got one on my
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: own with no agent. So she was listening and she's like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: oh you did, and he's like yes, she was at
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the Variety Arts Center doing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: Her I forget, I forget what my first commercial was
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: and it might have been it might have been.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: The telephone one where Uh, okay, I'll think of it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So I got one by myself because I was performing
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: at the Variety Arts Center and someone in the audience
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: saw me and they said, you would be great for
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this commercial, and then they gave me an address. So
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Betty was impressed that I'd gotten one by myself. You
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm starting to think the gap commercial was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the one I got without her, you know. Okay, this
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is what happened. I was at the Variety Arts Center
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and I was in a play called Hamlet's Last Act.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It was a spoof on Shakespeare. Drew Barrymore was a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: little kid and she was running around and her she
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was like three, and her mom was ill to go
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Jade and her mom was there and Drew Barrymore's brother,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: John Barrymore, our half brother, was playing my love interest
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: handle it. I was playing Queen Gertrude. The queen quit
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: at the last minute. They wanted Johnny Crawford in it,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and he took me down there. I said, Johnny, take me,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: take me. He goes Vickie. They didn't ask for you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: I go.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I gotta get a job, and he so they go, Johnny,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the queen quit. The queen quit. It was Rory Flynn
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Errow Flynn's daughter quit the two days before the play,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and so they get I go, let me audition, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Johnny goes, it's in two days. I go, just let
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: me on it. And so they give me the lines
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and then it was Queen Gertrude, and Johnny goes, Victoria,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: it's a satire. So how about if you do it
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: like Edith Bunker, do it in a Brooklyn accent. I go,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do a Brooklyn accent. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he's like Edith Bunker, and I go, doesn't he kind
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: of talk like this? Oh Audie, by the way, glad
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Milaw play And he goes, yeah, yeah. So I auditioned
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: like this, Hamlet, my son, how is it that the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: clouds still hang on the good Hamlet? Do well with
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: thy valied lids, seek for thy noble father in the dust.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Thou know it's his common All of the lives must die,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: passing through nature to eternity. So that was my audition
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and I got the part. I had to learn it
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: in two days. I was doing that play and the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: gap people were in the audience.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I just remembered this.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: They said, hey, we're doing a gap commercial. Would you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: like the audition. I'm like yeah. So then I got
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the audition. Then I got a call back, and I thought,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I really want to get this. I need the money.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So I made up this poem about the gap and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I did the and my callback audition did the poem
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: upside down, standing on my hands holding the handstand for
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a minute, so they remember me. Because the whole room
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: was full of blonde girls who were twenty years old.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, how am I going to stand up? And
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: then I got the commercial. They did not use the poem,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but I found it in all my hows of boxes
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and so I put it in the book.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Well, back then the gap doing a gap commercial was
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: very lucrative, I mean doing commercials back in the day
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: was like you would get, you know, one hundred grand
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: or fifty grand for doing a commercial.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, And so then I went to the Mansion. Johnny
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: introduced me to Betty. I told her about the gap commercial.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: She signed me. Then I started going out for other
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: commercials because of her.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: By the way, I mean, this is just for people
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: who don't know about what a callback audition is. In
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: a callback, you don't normally go in and do something
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: off script, like you. The fact that you had that
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: idea and we're so creative about it is genius because
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: at a callback, you just go back in and you
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: just do the lines again that you did in the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: original audition, and then they you know, the director's there
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: and he decided he or she decides if you're right
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: for the part. But the fact that you did the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: handstand and the poem, that's like completely unheard of that callbacks.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Nobody would do that except you.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It's called desperate ambition.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Starting to death from blonde ambition. I love it, Okay.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I got free food twice a week. I got free dinner.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: So, by the way, okay, can I tell you my
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: William Morris story and how I got an agent there?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: So I when I first moved here, I did a bunch,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I did some random stuff. But then I had for
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: one month, I temped. I was a temp at the
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: William Morris Agency, the commercial department where Betty Fanning was right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: And my job this was before anything was digital, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: it was all manual, like headshots were physical headshots, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: so my job was to My office was in the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: room where all the headshots were, all those shelves of
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: head shots, and so the agents would give me the breakdowns,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the casting director breakdowns, and they would write the names
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: of actors that they wanted to send in a packet
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: to the casting director to messenger over. And so I
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: would get the breakdowns with the names of the actors
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: and I would have to pull their head shots out
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: of the cubby holes, put them in a packet and
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: send them messenger them that same day to the casting director.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: And then after like this third or week, I was
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: I kind of started, like you, I started getting.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Bold, and.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I read the breakdown of what the commercial what kind
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: of actors they needed and what, you know, like they
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: want a you know, a six foot two guy with
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah with comedic time, you know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, that's me.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: And so I snuck my headshot into one of the
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: packets and sent it. I messengered it to the casting director.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: And the next day or that same day, one of
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the commercial agents walked down the hall to where I
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: was the office I was in, and she looked and
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: by that time we had become kind of friendly. She
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: really liked me, and she walked down the hall, she
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: looked at me. It was the most and it was
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: kind of the most embarrassing, like slash horrifying moment of
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: my entire life.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: She goes, Beckett, do you have an audition tomorrow? And
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, And I.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Thought, and I was like, this could go really badly
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: or it could go great. And then immediately she said,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's amazing and I want you to go
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: go do it. And so she was like, you can
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: go leave the office tomorrow and go to the audition,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: and I went and I did the audition. I didn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: get that part, but I got like two weeks later,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I got a Giant National Budweiser commercial and then they
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: signed me as a client.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: So that's how I got it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And by the way, when I when I got my
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: first when I got the Budweiser commercial, I wasn't in
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: the Screen Actors Guild, which you have to be, and.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: So I didn't know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: The night before the shoot, I was totally panicked about
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: what was going to happen the next day when I
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: showed up on set. So I drive up on set
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: and the second ad, the second assistant director comes out
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: to me and he's like, oh, Beckett, you're here, okay,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, can I I need to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: tell you something.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not sag And he goes, oh, no.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: No problem, like just fill out this Tafteartley form and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you're fine.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay, good.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: And to this day, my age still don't know that story.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: They don't know that I wasn't sag because they would
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: have never allowed me to do that. In fact, they
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: asked me if I was sag before that and before
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: that audition, and I said.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, even though I wasn't. I said yes, I'm sag.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: And so anyway, to this day, they still don't know
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: that story. But anyway, that's how Hollywood works. You just
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: gotta just do it, do whatever it is.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That's a great story. And it's what are you saying
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you did the same thing I did.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: We broke the rules. You broke the rules.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: When I was breaking the rules, I remember thinking it's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: not hurting anyone, this isn't cancer. I'm not doing surgery.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: No one's gonna die.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Breaking any moral laws for you to slip your picture
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: in there. You know, I could see that coming. When
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you said your job was to get the pick pictures,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, yeah, just live your own pictures.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I know, I know. It was amazing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: And it's funny because I still have the same agents
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: to this day, but there it's at a different agency.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I never I don't go out. I don't go out anymore.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: But it's an A p A now. So But anyway,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: so you had.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: The same ambition. I had the same amount of.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, mackah, Okay, another story from your book. Tell us
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: that if you can I don't know if this is
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's in your book. You can talk about it, like,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: but tell us of Jessica Han's story.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Jessica Han, so I got a part.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: By the way, Okay.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: She was a church secretary for Jim Baker and Tammy
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: fay Baker in the eighties. The PTL. Minne Street had
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a huge church and they were making a lot of money.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: They had a huge TV show on TV.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yes and Tammy Baker used to cry and her mass
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: scare would come down.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Who did who did her? On Jan Hooks? Jan Hooks.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: She did a great job.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Was a genius and she did Jessica Han and Tammy
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: fay Baker. I was. I was in the cast too,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, can't I play one of the girls
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in this saga? But Jen is a genius and I
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: mostly played yeah, did blonde, mostly.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Not completely.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: But I think she said, didn't chan Hooks say in
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: that in that sketch she said, demonic raisins I rebuke you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I remember that as a kid like she was.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: She was being she was, you know, acting like Tammy
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: fay Baker, and she was like, debatic, raisins I rebuke you.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, she was on Church Chat with Dana Carvey and
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it was perfect because there were such cartoon people like,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you know, they made it so easy to make fun
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: of them, you know, And I was like a Christian,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, don't represent me, don't represent Christians, you know.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But but all in all, I think their hearts were sincere.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And I love Tammy Faye Baker, that the movies they
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: made of her, the documentary about her and everything. Yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I think people a lot of people start out sincere
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: in the ministry for Jesus, and then temptations kind of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: take over. I've had five pastors commit adultery. They were great,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: great prep pastors and I've had, you know, so we're.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Sinners, and so tell us about Okay, she was.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: The secretary for Jim Baker and he went to a
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: hotel with another preacher to do some revival and he
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: brought her along to be his babysitter. And he slipped
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in her hotel room and had sex with her and said,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: don't tell anyone. And you know, she could have said no,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: but she kind of idolized him. And I think she
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: didn't have a father figure in her life. I don't know.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard her side and I've heard the media side,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: so it was very sensationalized. You know. Basically, Jim Baker
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: took advantage of a young girl who loved Jesus and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: thought he was awesome. So anyway, so it was what
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: happened was Jim Baker went to jail. They lost, they
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: lost their ministry, every they lost everything. Tammy Fay a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: breast cancer and everything. But anyway, Jessicahan then she was
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: famous in a shameful way, and I think she tried
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to turn it into something. So she was in Playboy
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: saying I'm not a bimbo and stripping, and it was
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: on the cover of Playboy and one of the writers
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: came by my desk one day and threw it on
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: my desk and goes, hey, Paul, can.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: You be quiet.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You're distracting me. So I have to focus on myself.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Me me, me, me me. At the end of my book,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I go on the audio recording, I go, I'm so
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: sick of talking about me.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Let's talking about.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Epstein, let's talk about Bill Gates, anything but me.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, So the writer throws it on your desk and
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: what happens, Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And so it says I'm not a bimbo. And so
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the writer, Christine Xander, she goes that that would be
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: good for you, and you know she's a writer, like
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: write it, but she just walked away. So I was like, oh, yeah,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: We're always trying to think of ideas and we're all
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: it's everyone's out for themselves. Nobody was assigned to give
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: me lines. I'm the only one who cares if I
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have lines in the cast of SML. So I'm like, oh,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I could write that, and immediately I think of everything
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in a Poemer song. I don't know how to write
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: characters because I didn't watch SNL when I grew up,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: So I wrote just because of the way I look,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: just because of what I wear, just because of how
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I act and how I fix my hair. You think
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you can label me, but don't you dare because I'm
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: not a bimbo. So I wrote this song. Greg at
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the desk helped me. This other guy helped me with
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: some lines I submitted to read through. Lauren says, no,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: everyone loved it. Lauren said no. I go to his office.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I know everyone loved the bimbo song. And he goes,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I don't like the blues because I had written it
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like just because of the widook, just because of what
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it is, because of hah. And so I go, well,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: we can change the music, and he goes, take it
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: to Cheryl. So I took it to Cheryl Hardwick who
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: played the piano, and she's short, blonde hair, and she
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: was playing the piano with a cigarette and the ash
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: was not falling off. I go to her office and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: she's playing Beethoven, she's practicing, and the ash is not flying,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: not flying, And I go, excuse me, Cheryl, Lauren said,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: could you rewrite the music to my bimbo song? She goes, huh,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: all right, and in two seconds she makes it a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: pop song instead of a blues These are my friends
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: from Phoenix.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Hi, Phoenix friends. We'll get you later.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're big fans of yours Beckett.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Oh we okay, Hi Hi.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll bring them back.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: To say hi, We'll bring your back.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I sang the Bembo song. It's a big hit.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: It's the first moment where I felt respected by my
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: peers because there was a news story. It was in
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the Current News. It used my whatever talent, Yeah, on
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the update desk with Dennis Miller, and it was a
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: big hit. And so years go by and I get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a little part on Unhappily ever After and it was
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the producer who did Married with Children. It was his spinoff,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and I went to do the job. I had to
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: play the girlfriend of a conjoined twin, so I had
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: to make out with a guy who's attached to his brother.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Oh. So it was Jessica Han.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: There she and so when we were rehearsing, the producer
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: writer said, my girlfriend is Jessica Han and she would
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: love to meet you, and I said, no way. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: so she came to lunch and she's tiny, tiny little thing,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and I said, oh, Jessica I'm so sorry I kind
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of made fun of you on the show. And she goes, oh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that's okay. You know, she was very gracious. She said,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it was the hardest time in my life, but I'm glad,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you know, you lightened it up. I said, man, I
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: would have felt terrible if I was you, And I'm sorry.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I always felt kind of bad because Saturday Night Live
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: makes fun of people.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's what I mean. That's what all comedy
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: is pretty much. That basically it's I mean, if you
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: if you think about shows like Friends and those sitcoms,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: it's all about making fun of each other on the show.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: That's all they do.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, put downs. Put downs like in the seventies that became.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Like oh yeah, like on good Times or you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: like all in the family, like that was all it
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: was all about.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: That just it was constant like put downs.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is the opposite of the Bible, which says
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I edify one.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Another different strokes.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I never watched that. We didn't have a TV and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: have a TV.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It takes different strokes. Okay.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So we got to know each other and she's very gracious,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and then when and I said, let's make a let's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: make a sitcom a reality show together because I want
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to sell my my There's fudge, and we could show
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: what it's like for two people who know nothing about
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: cooking or selling food to just do the journey. It
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: would be a great reality show and it's a great
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: recipe and nobody knows it except me and my mom
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and our family. And Jessica was up for it, and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: we pitched it to a couple of places, and then
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the fires took over our neighborhood and act in California,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and the fire was lapping like twenty feet from our
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: house and we were evacuated and I had to think
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: of what to throw in my car. I threw my
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: three dogs, my laptop, my big Bible, and my lion rug,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: my real lion, authentic lion rug, which is in my book.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: There's a poem about it. Anyway, threw it in my
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: cart and Jessica Han offered for us to stay at
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: her house until the fires passed, and I thought that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was really really really sweet.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Ah, And she's she's still she's still a Christian now right.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: She as far as I know, she's watching Jim Baker,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: who's still who is now on TV again as a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: TV evangelist. He's remarried and Jessica Han still watches him
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and as a fan.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Now another thing that I didn't you were on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: With Robin Leach Victoria Jackson's spats no expense on how
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: money no object mention?
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: What was how are you on the lifestyles?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That was a good impression.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I know I do good, Robin.
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: Chin he says, like a uh, Victoria Jackson takes us
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: on a vacation, Wait on a I can't think of
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: the line of.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: On a money, no object, vacation of a lifetime.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: But anyway, tell us how you got a Lifestyles of
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: the Rich and Famous.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, he was shouting all the time.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: He shouted. He was obsessed with he was obsessed with, mammon,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: he was obsessed.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh money. Well, when they asked me, I was
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: like yes because I said yes to and you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I said you, oh, a free trip to Coln, Germany.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: Yes, only the jet said elite can afford. This is
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: the super vacation of a lifetime.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Right, So when I watched the show, I thought it
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: was just a bird's like a fly on the wall.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Watching what the rich people do. But then I learned differently. Basically,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: they paid for my trip there, They paid for my
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: hotel so that I would be doing a big commercial
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: for them, for Germany, for the airline, for the hotel,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: for Cologne Germany, like who goes to Colone, Germany? Ko Ln,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: It's where Cologne was invented. And they made me stand
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: in front of a big church, but I didn't get
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: to go in it because we were rushing. I stood
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: in front of a castle, but I didn't get to
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: go in it because I was just doing a commercial,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: like I want to go in the castle. My main
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: goal was to see Paris, so like I have to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: see Paris before I died. And I was twenty six,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so or I was twenty eight. So we went to Paris,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and but it was right when the Gulf War was starting,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and these F fourteens were flying overhead when I was
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: at the castle in Colon. They were flying in a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: formation really loud, really low over my head, and I
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: was like, what's that, and like the Gulf War starting,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was maybe World War three. So
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I couldn't ask anyone because nothing on TV was in English.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. I didn't know how to find there's no
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: cell phones. So I was like, oh no, it's the
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: end of the world. And my child, my only child,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: who's four, was with my three years old was with
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: my mother in America. So I did not see Paris.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I cut my trips, my free trip short, and I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: went back home. And then so my whole life was
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: like I got to go back to Paris and actually
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: see the Louver and the Eiffel Tower. So I did.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: When I got cancer, I finally twisted my husband's arm,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like I have cancer. You're not going to take me now,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: You're never gonna take me.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Well good, and we're going to actually we're going to
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: get to some of the Paris photo of you doing
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: a handstand.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Let me wait, how do I do this?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, so but let's I just want to go through
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: some of the pictures and the book and just ask
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: some questions.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: This is like, this is very good form here.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: This is Anarexic Bollimic Victoria. And I had a gymnastics scholarship,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: so I had a lot of pressure to win meets
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and stay skinny. And Furman was a great place because
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that's where I did my first play, and I got
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the acting bug because Rhett Bryson, my professor, let me audition.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I said, I was there with a friend and I said, oh,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to audition. I'm with my friend. And
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: he goes, no, you can audition. I don't. I don't
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: know how to act. He goes, that's okay, just read
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: these lines. And it was a part of an airhead.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I did see Aaron and I read the lines. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: got the part. And when I did that play at
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Furman in South Carolina, Red Bryson, Yeah, I made people laugh.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Then I was hooked.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So you gave up. You gave up the gymnastics scholarship and.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So the gymnastic thing. So I couldn't afford Furman without
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the gymnastics scholarship. What happened was I made small college nationals.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: But the coach, Nancy, who you brought up earlier, she
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: didn't tell me that I.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Made it right.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: So I made that I made it, but I missed it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: What happened was I got my dad. The coach got
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a letter from Gaza Martini at the University of Chicago
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: gymnastic team, and it said where was Victoria? They read
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: her name at the small college Nationals and my dad said, VICKI,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: what is this?
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: I go.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I told you Nancy was mean to me. I told
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: you Nancy coaching. Nancy was mean to me. It was
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: always like, why would a coach be mean to you?
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: So she off fired and about five years later, eighteen
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty two, twenty three, I had to come up
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: with something for the Tonight show and I thought, hey,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I had already been on Johnny Carson twice and Jim
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: McCauley said, he wants you back, but it has to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: be really big and I said, well, I've run out
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: of all my material, and they said well, I said, hey,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: what if I do my old balance being routine and
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I sing a song while I'm doing it that's never
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: been done before singing gymnastics And I could do that.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: So McCauley I went to the gym in Pasadena and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I asked permission to work out and get my routine back,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: but they were afraid to let me because I was
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: now twenty three. They didn't want me to get hurt
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and sue them, So I had McCauley go to the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: gym in Pasadena and he told them if they would
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: if i'd sign a paper I won't sue them if
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I get hurt. And he kind of lied to them,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and he said he would put them on the Tonight
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Show their gymnastic team if they let me work out.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: And they did let me work out, and he didn't
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: ever let their gymnastic team get on TV, but they
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: did let me work out. I got some of my
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: tricks back and made up the song angry Woman, based
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: on coach Nancy not telling me I made Nationals, and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: so I made it song I Am an angry woman.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I got a street
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: in my hair yea yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I like to air my dirty laundry. If you don't
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: like me, I don't care. Nasty punk was big in
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the eighties and I.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Sound like Missing Persons. Remember that band Missing Persons Walking
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: in LA. That is kind of the same. Remember you
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: don't remember that band?
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: No, Because I didn't know anything about bands. I already
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: know gospel forties music, Carpenters and John Denver and the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Best of Bread. That's all I know. So I made
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: up that song and I sang in on Carson and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: it's still on YouTube. It's on YouTube. In black and
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: white because mcaulay said, would you like a copy of it?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I'm going to give you the copy
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: in black and white because there's a legal legally, they
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: probably won't let you ever show this because NBC owns
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: it and Johnny Carson owns it. But if I give
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: it to you black and white, there's a loophole. So
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: right now, Johnny Carson has never aired any of my
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: twenty appearances, but that one is on because it's my
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: copy and it's in black and white, and it hasn't
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: been extracted yet. Maybe because of that clause.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: And the very first time you were on the Carson Show,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: were you nervis or were you How did you feel
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: right before you went out?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: That's a great question. I everybody knew in the eighties
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: if Johnny liked you, you would have a career. And
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: after I did my first six minutes of stand up,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: he went like that, and I call my dad and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: my dad goes, he gave you the sign. He gave
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: you the sign. And so but before I walked out,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I was behind the curtain. Jim McCauley, the town scout,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: was holding the curtain to pull it back and he
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: was shaking, and I said, Jim, why are you shaking?
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I'm the one who has to go out there, and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: he goes because if Johnny doesn't like you, I get
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: fired and people couldn't decide whether I was really bad
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: or really smart, so he pulls back the curtain. I'd
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: go out and hit my mark. I start doing my
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: six minutes, which I'd done for two years at the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Right Art Center to hone it, and I kind of
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: felt my soul go out of my body, like I
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: don't believe in any of that stuff, and I've never
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: dabbled in anything occult, but I remember feeling like I
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: was in the back of the room watching myself do
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the end when it because I was so nervous. When
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it ended, I came back in myself, heard noise again,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: saw something like that, yeah.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: And then that sounds that reminds me of I did.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: I did stand up uh comedy uh And for just
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: a it was a little period of time, but I
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I was at the mint on Peko and it was
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: a big audience, and and the the MC she was
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: like and now, and there were like, you know, several
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: comics and you had seven minutes that I think it
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: was seven minutes, and she said, and now please welcome
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: back at Cook and I and literally when she said
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: my name, and Mike de Luca was in the audience,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: like the head of New Line Cinema, Like it was crazy.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: The second she said my name, I just felt like
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: there was like a white light and I was so
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: nervous that I could just it was like this blinding
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: white light.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: I totally understand how you felt because I just was like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Like an out of body experience.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: But you did go on the stage and you did talk.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: But the funny thing is the second I got on stage,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: I was so nervous, But I said, I didn't even
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: plan this joke.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: At the very beginning. I just I made I made.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: A comment about what I was wearing, like a funny comment,
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: and everyone erupted in laughter. And then I was like, oh,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my gosh, I have I've
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: got them like and like, and then it all was
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: great for the rest of the seven minutes.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was very scary. That was a scary
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: thing I've ever done. Stand up comedy is the scariest
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: thing you can ever do.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, wait, let's look at let's look at it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for doing it, and I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: think you'd be a great stand up and I think
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you should still do it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I should continue my stand up career. Okay, maybe I'll
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: call Betty Fanning and Steve if show represip me.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: She just passed away.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I know she's not alive. Okay, so how do you.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: Because I think you mentioned it in your book. Okay,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: so let's look at hold on. Okay, that's you in
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: front of the Hollywood sign with the fire eater.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: No, that's Johnny Crawford who gave me, you know, took
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: me to Hollywood. Okay, twenty years later when it's fatter.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: And what's this? What's this photo?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: That's my cigarette girl job. So many great magical things
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: happened to me at the Variety Arts Center. I got
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the job doing cigarettes cashoes because it was a thirties
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: atmosphere and the boss do you want to work there?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Got to do a little act, and I said to
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Milt Larson, he owns the Magic Castle too, I said, Milk,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: could I do an act? And he goes, what do
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: you do? And I said, well, I can stand upside
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: down and recite poetry and he goes, this, I've got
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to see, so he let me. I would put down
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: my cigarette tray after a couple hours, go up on
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: stage in the mic. The orchestra would play hold Me,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: through Me, Kiss Me. I would do my act for
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: six minutes that I was working on for Carson, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: then I'd resume my cigarette girl job. And that's where
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the Tonight Show talent scout discovered me there and that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: was my job.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Where was this venue in La? I don't remember what
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: this is.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Well, it was off the beaten track because it was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: in a dangerous neighborhood in downtown La on Figueroa. And
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I did get held up with a gun there and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: wrote a song about it. It's in my book.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is you and Playboy.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I did not give them permission for that. But
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that's the costume I was wearing on the half hour
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: comedy Hour that I was in with Oursenio Hall. Okay,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: someone must have taken it on the set.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: And then and so you were in Playboy magazine, but
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: you weren't really You weren't really like in Playboy magazine exactly.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: This was the page where they just put things like whatever.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like fun stuff. Now, what's this? What's where is this?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Hollywood? And Vine? And I had just gotten on the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Tonight show like for my first time, and I was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: so happy and excited. And you can see the signs.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: One sign says Hollywood, the other street sign says Vine.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And that guy with the beard, his name's Joseph Gunches.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: And he was always very supportive of my career because
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't really have one. I just was in it
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: one day at a time.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: That looks really dangerous though, like as it looks like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: have you did you ever fall?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I felt I fell a year ago when I was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: at the Plaza in New York for the SNL fifty.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I was so excited I did a handstand in my
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: hotel room and I was leaning on the bed and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Paul was like, Vicky, don't do that, and I was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: just so excited. I wanted a handstand photo. And I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: fell on my head and I heard my spine go
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: because I've been bone I've bone cancer right now, because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's a side effect of chemo or something. So anyway,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: but I never felt, no, I never never never felt.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I was about sixty six but because you know, if
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you're gonna fall, you just turn you turn off, you know.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I learned how to fall from gymnastics, so you just
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: turn off on your feet. I didn't.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: It's called a round round up, a round off. Yeah,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: what's that?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Was the first Tonight show and I put the mic
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: on the ground so they could hear my poem. Then
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: after at the at the end of the poem, I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: was out of breath, so I laid on the ground
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and while I'm catching my breath, I do the life
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: of a Rug poem.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: Now this is you and Willie Nelson. Now was he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: stone when you did this sketch with him?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Probably? I remember he did not come to the rehearsal,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, well, I wrote the song. I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: know this song. He didn't come to the rehearsal, so
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen. It's live TV. So
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: he the words were on cue cards and he's so charming.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: He just stumbled his way through it and it turned
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: out really good.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: I remember seeing that actually at the when it was
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: on at that time, Okay.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: What this is hilarious? What is this? And what is this?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: And you have Luke one seventeen on your.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Legs, it's Luke one thirty seven.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: It's sorry.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite Bible verse. It says, for with God,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: nothing shall be impossible. And I, I don't know if
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I asked them permission or not to do this, but
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I was getting my BA degree and I was forty
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: eight and it was Pombeach Atlantic University in Florida, and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I was crossing the stage to get my diploma and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I had to do that for my handstand collection.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: What did they think of it?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that guy's smiling, but some of the people, well
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: some of the intellectual educate tours in the background are
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: looking kind of dismayed.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they were having it. Now.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: This is you on SNL with Dennis Miller. I love
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: this picture. This is such a great photo.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Did you and Dennis Miller have good chemistry on set.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Only on the air? Off the air, he was kept
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to himself. But I was trying to figure out how
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to get on the show. And I didn't know how
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: to write characters or impressions. But I didn't know how
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: to write what I think or what I sing. So
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: somebody helped me write this. It was either al Franken
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: or maybe that got the old guy. But they helped
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: me write this update piece about Reikievic. Reagan was going
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: to Reikievic for peace talks and the story what my
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: news reporter story is in Russia, you you wouldn't have
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: the freedom to do the news like this. And then
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I get up there and then goes on meric That
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: was my first handstand on SNL.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Did the audience love it?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they were surprised.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: That is funny? And did did Lauren like it?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Lorden Michaels, Yes, I think so, But he doesn't. He
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't give you many compliments. He just doesn't fire you.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: That's the compliment, is not getting fired. And what does
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: it say on your legs? In this photo on SNL.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, it says I love a cop because there's there's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: a musical.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Was a cop? Right? Paul was a cop?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Yes? And the funniest story is when he was coming
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to see me at Saturday Night Live in nineteen ninety two.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: We were dating again. It was the first night he
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: was coming to the show. It happened to be the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: first night he shot and killed the first man of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: his career, and he had to stay up all night
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: filling out paperwork and getting counseling, because I guess that's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: what happens if you kill somebody. And my little joke
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: is maybe he was anxious to see me. So he
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: flies to New York and he comes to the set
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm getting out of an alien spaceship with eyeballs
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: on my nipples because we're doing a sketch about a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: planet where women's eyes have mutated to their nipples because
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: men stare at women's chests for so long. And he
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: comes to the set and Cristiali is our leader, and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I go, Paul, Hi, this must be so surreal for
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: you to stay up all night and kill somebody and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: see me getting out of a spaceship, and he goes, yes,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: it is so. Then I because that's why he talks.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: So then I took him upstairs and I introduced him
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: to the cast. Mike Myers and Dana Carven. Every want
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: to go, hey, everybody, this is my boyfriend, the cop.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: And Mike Myers goes, hey, you got any war stories?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Oh no, and Paul goes, I killed a man last night,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: And there was silence. It was the greatest comedic minds
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: of our generation could not.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Think of a comeback that is hilarious.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Was Lauren upset that you had I Love a Cop
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: on your legs?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: No? No, we were always trying to come up with ideas.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: So that was the show. I was going to announce
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I was engaged and leaving the show to get married
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and because I had a daughter and I didn't want
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: to be her to go through a divorce and not
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: have mommy at home and all that. So I was
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: going to leave the show six years. My contract was
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: for five. I was leaving a sixth. Lauren said I
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: could stay as long as I want, so I wasn't
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: fired or anything. So I told the wardrobe department, could
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you make could you get this on my legs? They're
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: so clever? Those were stockings and they painted it on
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: exactly to be where you could read it on camera.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Amazing and yeah, and then they then I sang a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: song called I Love a Cop from a musical, so
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: that was my And then I shown my diamond ring.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: It's this one and uh and you and this is
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: another one with you on a cale. And in the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: book you talk about how you got how did you get?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Paul to get you pregnant because you wanted to. You
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: wanted to have a baby with Paul.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Right, So that's his cop car. It was very hard
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: for me to move to the suburbs of Miami after
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: being in that exciting atmosphere in New York, and it
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: about killed me. But I love being a mom. But
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: we had this one daughter, and I said, Paul, I
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: want more children. I've given up everything for you, and
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: he goes, we already have enough. We have one. No, no, no,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: that's not acceptable. I have nothing to do all day.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: So he so when he came home from work one night,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I held his gun up to my head and it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: was loaded, and I said, get me pregnant now, or
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I'll shoot myself. And he goes, figuring, no, this is
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: not funny. That's loaded. This isn't funny. Many not be pregnant.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: But there's you with your babies.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: But then he never would do it again. I wanted more,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: but now I have five grandchildren, and so that's good.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: There's you with Scarlet and Aubrey.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Ay.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: Scarlet is from the fire Eater and Aubrey's from Paul.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and Scarlett is now married to a pastor and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: lives in Texas with four kids, and Aubrey just had
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: her first baby and lives half an hour away in Tennessee.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Amazing, amazing, this is you on what star? Are you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: doing a handstand in front.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Of Billy Graham?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I love that? Why did you do that?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Who knew he had a star on Hollywood Boulevard?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I know, I didn't even know that until I saw
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: this picture. It's kind of crazy.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: And then this muscular cowboy guy walks into the shot,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: which was great. We did not plan that. He just
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: happened to be walking towards the garbage can.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: What were in general, what were people's reactions when you
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: did handstands in public?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Amused or ignoring me? Yes, slightly, slightly amused, mostly ignoring me.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Now this is you and tell your ride? Colorado? I think,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: where are you? Yeah?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Tell tell you ride. I might have gotten the city wrong,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: but it is Colorado where there's a snow skiing place nearby.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: I love that shot because it's just it's it's such
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: a great shot with the mountains in the background, US
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: coming towards me.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, let's seek motorcycles. I know. Did they have
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: to stop?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: No? I said Paul Take the picture quick, and I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: run out there and do it, and then we run
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: off the street.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: And then you're of course you're on a train track,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: where seems dangerous too.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, the more they're danger the better the photograph. The
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: most dangerous one is me and a thirty foot tall
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: our teeny glass bathtub at the Poconos.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Oh now, where was this train track? What city was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: this in?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I think that was Vegas?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: This is you at the fiftieth anniversary with Paul McCartney
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: and Adam Sandler and John Love.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: It's to know me well. The great story of this
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: is it's at the end of the SNL fifty show.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, it's midnight. I am terrified of schmoozing and celebrities.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: So I just kind of it kind of crept up
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to love it because he's the only one I feel
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: comfortable talking to. We're still in touch by text now
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and then and I said, John, do you have a car?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: How am I going to get to my hotel? It's midnight.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go out there and try to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: find a taxi. Do you have a car driver or something?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: And he I think there's a shuttle, but yeah, you
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: can come with me, but I'm not leaving yet. I mean,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: look who's here. And I because he loves schmoozing, and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: like he introduced me to de Niro while we were
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: standing there, and I don't know if de Niro knows
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: my politics, but oh, d Niro looks like he's always angry,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what he was thinking. But so then.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the ticket.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So then McCartney and Adam Sandler and Mosey on
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: over and love It goes, hey, let's take a selfie,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and I said, I was like, can I be in it?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Because like, no one asks me to be in it?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I know he meant them, and McCartney put his arm
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: around me and pulled me in to the photo.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: Sweet, did you see the documentary on Paul McCartney, the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: recent one?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: No, it's really good. It was really good.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: So he pulled me in and Love It took the pic,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the selfie, and then Love It sent it to me
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: later and I go, I owe you so much for
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: this picture.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: Well, Adam Sandler got got kind of cut out of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: the picture almost.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, poor Adam. Now I love this shot. This is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: you in.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Front of the Eiffel Tower. This was when this was
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: what year was this?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: This was twenty one and my husband took it and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I was thrilled that our hotel looked right onto the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower, because you never know if you buy something
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: online and there's this language problem, you know, yeah, because
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I don't speak French.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: But we got that.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, I tried to learn it. It's too hard. And
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: then Paul was very he's a very bad traveler and
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: he's always comeing. So two years later I took my
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: girlfriend with me and I got another shot from the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: same hotel with my girlfriend, Lolo, and she doesn't complain
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: like him. She actually loved seeing the louve et cetera.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: Let's see if there's a oh, and this is you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: in front of Buckingham Palace.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Paul went to Greece with Eric Metaxash right.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: He had a cruise to Grease because he's Greek, and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: he took a bunch of his fans and we were
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: his fans, so we went with him to Greece. And
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: that was in London on the way to Greece.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, so those are I mean, there's a zillion more
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: photos in your book, but that's all I have. But
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: do you can you send us out with a song
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: either whatever you want, not dead yet, or whatever song
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: you wanted to sing.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Let me well, you asked me to sing bimbos and bikinis.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whichever one you like best.
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  Speaker 1: I think I should just send you out with this
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  Speaker 1: poem because this is the most important poem in the
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  Speaker 1: whole world. Not dead yet, okay, not dead yet, never
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  Speaker 1: will be because Jesus died and rose for me.
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  Speaker 3: That's it. I love it. We'll end with the bimbos
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  Speaker 3: and bikinis.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in New York in my office where people are
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  Speaker 1: close because it's cold, while you're at U Beach in
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  Speaker 1: Miami watching bimbos walk by in bikinis. I never look
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  Speaker 1: at other men because I have you, But you look
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  Speaker 1: at bimbos and bikinis. Do you have to.
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  Speaker 3: Say?
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  Speaker 1: I wrote this one me and Power dating again in Miami,
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  Speaker 1: and he took me to South Beach for a day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not neurotic or insecure. I'm a nineties woman and
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  Speaker 1: all my thoughts are mature. I have no reason not
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  Speaker 1: to trust you, and I want you to be free.
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  Speaker 1: But you're looking at bimbos and bikinis instead of looking
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  Speaker 1: at me. I don't like Miami. There's too much flesh
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  Speaker 1: out of control. When someone's boobs are in your face,
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  Speaker 1: how can you see their soul? It's the best line
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  Speaker 1: I ever wrote, because I love that line, and men
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  Speaker 1: just like the word boobs. Bus is rampant and all.
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  Speaker 1: I see our bikinis and bimbos on MTV and magazines,
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  Speaker 1: on the streets everywhere. You'd have to be blind not
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  Speaker 1: to notice them there. Hey, if you were blind, our
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  Speaker 1: love could work. I'll just get a knife and gouge
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  Speaker 1: your eyes out. But I want you to be blind
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  Speaker 1: because then you couldn't see me. So I guess I'll
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  Speaker 1: just have to work out out of gym real hard
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  Speaker 1: and buy a bikini. Oh, by a bikini. Maybe the
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  Speaker 1: dark in the closet with the lights out. Oh We're
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  Speaker 1: a thumb. Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna leave it there.
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  Speaker 4: The book is not dead yet.
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  Speaker 3: A lifetime of handstands, art and poetry. Victoria Jackson, thank
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  Speaker 3: you for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Becket, thank you so much. I want to hear more
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  Speaker 1: about your Hollywood stories.
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  Speaker 3: We'll do that next time. We'll do another episode A stand.
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  Speaker 1: Up do a stand up back, start working on it
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 4: I will, I will, I might do that, I might
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  Speaker 4: start all right, well, thank you for coming on, and
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna go to commercial now a commercial break.
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