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Top 10 Villain Origin stories with Ryan from IRock93. 5! · The Top 10 Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to start it out. That's
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  Speaker 1: a villain. Yes, it is. Didn't start out that way. No.
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  Speaker 1: Some don't. Some don't. And that makes for a great story,
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  Speaker 1: am I right?
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 2: A villain origin story. Yeah, well, welcome back to the
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  Speaker 2: Top Ten Podcast. Josh and Chris. And we've got a
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  Speaker 2: special guest. We've got Ryan from IROC 93.5 again.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Super special. Yeah. I think this is our third time
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  Speaker 1: having you on. I think so. Thanks for... The first two... No,
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: first one we did, we did Marvel. Yep, we did Marvel.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Cover songs.
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  Speaker 2: Cover songs, that's right. All right, now we're going, like, beyond...
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  Speaker 2: Outside of my normal world here, so... Yeah, villain origin
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  Speaker 2: stories and movies... TV books, if you want. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: read a book since fifth grade. I haven't read one
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  Speaker 2: for a while. Who's the bad guy until I kill
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  Speaker 2: a mockingbird? That's how far back I'm going to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I'm going to start off here with my
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  Speaker 1: mom's list. We'll just read this one over. J.R. Ewing,
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  Speaker 1: number 10. From Dallas? From Dallas, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She said he had oldest kid syndrome and made him
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  Speaker 2: greedy and spoiled by Jock and Miss Ellie.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Never watched Dallas, so no idea. Number nine, Nurse Ratched.
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  Speaker 2: She was raised by a witch, so. Nurse Ratched is
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  Speaker 2: a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Count Atamar. Atamar. That was from.
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  Speaker 2: Adopted by a very poor family, so we wanted.
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  Speaker 1: Oh! A Knight's Tale. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a deep one. Joker.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all know that one. He has an
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  Speaker 1: origin story.
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: You can watch it. There's a bunch of different ones, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't care for that one that much. I liked the
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  Speaker 1: first one.
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  Speaker 2: The first one was better, yeah. I didn't even watch
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  Speaker 2: the second one. I watched part of the second one
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: I watched the first one and I was like, eh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Without Heath Ledger, I'm done. Number nine,
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  Speaker 1: Darth Vader. I think we all know that one. Five,
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  Speaker 1: The Sheriff of Nottingham. Four, Bob Ewell. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who that one is.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Abuel. We'll go with number three, Thanos. Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 2: She said he got bullied as a child because of
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  Speaker 2: his nut sack chin. Nana, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: To kill a mockingbird. That's awesome. Number two, Lex Luthor.
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  Speaker 2: She said he was kept in a closet as a
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  Speaker 2: child and starved. No, she's making these up. You can
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  Speaker 2: make up your own. And then number one, Hans Gruber.
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  Speaker 2: She said his dad was Hitler.
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  Speaker 1: That is not the backstory. Does that explain it? No. No.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny, though. Oh, God. All right.
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  Speaker 2: My number 10, since we just played the theme, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to go with Gus Fring.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. Breaking Bad. Oh, I never watched Breaking Bad.
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  Speaker 2: Los Pollos Hermanos. It took me a long time to
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  Speaker 2: watch it, too. I actually had to be a vet.
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  Speaker 2: I had to make him watch something so that I'd
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  Speaker 2: watch something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I had to watch Psych. Yeah. It was
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  Speaker 1: like Psych. But yeah, Gus Fring, I want to see.
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  Speaker 1: He was just very calm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very smart, very methodical. Creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Very creepy. It's all the way to the bitter end.
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  Speaker 2: If you've ever seen it, I'm sorry for spoiling it.
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  Speaker 1: Spoilers alert on a bunch of these.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I think most we're picking, though, spoilers have been
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  Speaker 2: well past their prime, so we're good here. If you
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  Speaker 2: haven't watched most of these, that's on you. I don't
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  Speaker 2: plan on spoiling a thing.
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  Speaker 1: That hasn't been out for well over ten years. Same here.
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  Speaker 2: So if I spoil something for you, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: on you for not watching at this point. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to go number 10, Killmonger from Black Panther. Because he
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: was a kid and he saw his dad get killed
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  Speaker 2: by this guy who should.
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  Speaker 1: Have been able to do more. Honestly, he wasn't wrong.
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  Speaker 1: He might have had bad methods of going about it.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: But he definitely had a point. He wasn't wrong. Did
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  Speaker 2: you watch all the what-ifs?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got kind of more into him as a
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  Speaker 2: character with those, and you're just like, oh, this is,
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  Speaker 2: you know. In the movie, they did a good job
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  Speaker 2: with him, but once they carried it into the what-ifs,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, wow, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those one-up shows were good. Yep, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess we're going to start with a Marvel
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  Speaker 2: theme with mine, and you're going to laugh. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to laugh at myself. However, at number 10, Kang. And
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. Here's the thing, because this is not
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  Speaker 2: best villains, because obviously his story was never told. It's
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  Speaker 2: best villain origin stories. And that story of him in Loki,
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  Speaker 2: I was in. It was so good. That final speech,
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  Speaker 2: when he's in that part, he's explaining everything. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to see where this goes. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Disney kind of sacked up and just keep it going. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Quantum Media didn't help.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't help, no.
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  Speaker 2: Because they took what could have been him as great,
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  Speaker 2: and then he gets beat by Ant-Man?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: But even with that, there was still all the other
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  Speaker 2: Kangs out there and what they could have done with
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  Speaker 2: it and everything. And again, going into origin story, I
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  Speaker 2: believe that story so much in Loki that I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I love what they're doing with this. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: still hoping in Doomsday that we get him. that we
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  Speaker 1: can get the bow wrapped on that thing. And if they.
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  Speaker 2: Open that movie with first scene of Downey just wiping
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  Speaker 2: out all the Kangs, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good now.
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  Speaker 2: They completed it. They completed the journey, but yes. That's
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  Speaker 2: my number 10.
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  Speaker 1: I liked his origin story. Call me naive about Kang.
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  Speaker 2: I did not know what was going on with him.
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  Speaker 1: The not being Kang, the actor.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching Loki and I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: this character is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I love this guy. The way he talks, the way
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  Speaker 1: he carries himself, the way, how evil he is, is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And then I, I'm like, I tell him, I think
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to you and you're telling me, well,
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  Speaker 1: I can't be around anymore. I'm like, what? Cause I
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  Speaker 1: apparently wasn't paying attention. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't like it was front page news.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of had to be in the search.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause I had to search for it. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a bummer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Right in number nine, I'm going to go, I
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  Speaker 2: want to see the backstory of Loki and Bartleby from Dogma.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you want to see them?
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  Speaker 2: I want to see them get ousted from heaven by
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  Speaker 2: Alanis Morissette.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in. Yeah, right? Let's do it. And then how
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  Speaker 1: they meet Jason Lee and all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. I like it. It's Alan Rickman
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  Speaker 1: being in it. Yeah. Yeah. Because he'd be talking for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He'd be the one telling them their options. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been good. Because I love Dogma.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Great movie. Yeah. Fantastic. My number nine, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go Imhotep from the Mummy movie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Because, really, he was just in love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He just, you know, fell in love with the wrong girl.
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  Speaker 2: Pharaoh's daughter, or Pharaoh's wife, or whatever it was, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then he got buried alive, and Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bummer. Yeah. That's a rough way to go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming. I don't know. That was the one that
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  Speaker 1: had the, he turned into bugs, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. See,
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  Speaker 1: that's why I watch that movie once and then never again.
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  Speaker 1: It's creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Those big bugs just creep me out. I'm like, nah,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do this one. And then they burrow in
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  Speaker 2: your skin and crawl right up your brain. I was
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  Speaker 2: asleep again watching that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: This was supposed to be a fun movie and now
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrified. Alright, so again, you might laugh at my
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  Speaker 2: next two, but number nine here, Mother Gothel. That crossed
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  Speaker 2: my mind. I'm okay with it. It's one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite cartoon movies that I watched a lot with my daughter.
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  Speaker 2: And I loved her origin story of just an old
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  Speaker 2: lady scrounging around and found this flower and just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to keep that power. I just thought it was great
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  Speaker 2: the way they developed her as a character. To see
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  Speaker 2: more of that would be fun to see her entire Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How she just kept trying to get there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: keep young.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible. They did an origin for like Maleficent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you never know. You never know. And they're doing a,
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  Speaker 1: they're doing a live action tango.
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  Speaker 2: They're doing a live action that I will say it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's not on my list, but listen, was it was close.
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  Speaker 2: It was, it was close in there. This was Angela
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  Speaker 2: and Jolie, by the way, that's a great pick for that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just her facial strength. The lady they got to play
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  Speaker 1: Mother Gothel in the live action title. Isn't that Agatha? Agatha. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be perfect. She'll kill it. She's great
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  Speaker 1: at everything.
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  Speaker 2: Number eight, I want to see, and we kind of
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  Speaker 2: got to see it in season one of Dexter, but
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  Speaker 2: the Ice Truck Killer, Brian Moser.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've.
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  Speaker 2: Watched Dexter or not. I've watched the first few seasons
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  Speaker 2: of it. So the Ice Truck Killer, he and his brother.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, yeah. He was the one that got sent
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  Speaker 2: off to the facilities because he was older, so he
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  Speaker 2: was messed up.
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  Speaker 1: He got to see the killing of the mother. So
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  Speaker 1: I want to see more of that. See his life
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  Speaker 1: in a home, a foster home or crazy house, wherever
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  Speaker 1: he was in. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally come back and kill the prosthetic guy,
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: become the prosthetic surgeon. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. I'm going to go... I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if.
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  Speaker 2: You'd call him a villain, but he was in the movie.
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  Speaker 2: General Hummel from The Rock I'd say he was a
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  Speaker 2: villain in the movie.
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  Speaker 1: He was. He was a sympathetic villain. He was a
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  Speaker 1: sympathetic villain because he wasn't wrong. Again, he wasn't wrong. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it would be kind of neat to see just
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  Speaker 2: a movie on him getting screwed over by watching all
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  Speaker 2: of his men die and not getting any compensation and
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  Speaker 2: just being forgot about. And dealing with it and what
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  Speaker 2: made him get to the point where he was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take hostages and possibly kill thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Of people for this. Right. Even though at the end
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  Speaker 1: he was like, no, I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a real villain. Right. I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 1: a villain. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, he crashed the rock into the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but... Yeah. But yeah, I like that one.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, because he, I mean, talk about that
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  Speaker 1: origin story.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what developed him into being a bad guy was...
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  Speaker 2: Definitely something I think a lot of people, maybe not
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  Speaker 2: to that extreme, but a lot of people can relate to.
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  Speaker 2: There was better ways to go about trying to get attention.
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  Speaker 1: Than stealing rockets and holding it in the city's.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: Office. All right, I'll go with my number eight, and
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: we stay kind of in the cartoon realm, but not quite.
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  Speaker 1: Cruella de Vil. Yeah, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 2: When it came to the 101 Dalmatians, Older cartoon that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I knew, watched everything.
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  Speaker 1: But that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Cruella.
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  Speaker 1: Man, that is such a good movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To show how she kind of was getting evil, you know,
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  Speaker 2: falling into the crowd and everything.
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  Speaker 1: And then when she found out the other lady killed
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  Speaker 1: her mom. Again, spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 2: And that just kind of fully snapped her and everything.
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  Speaker 2: I thought they did such a good job with that.
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  Speaker 2: And just the entire movie. I mean, the soundtrack is great.
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  Speaker 2: characters around and everything. Just really, really good. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that movie and that origin story I thought were phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great one. Yeah. Didn't see it. Oh,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: it's good. I have a list from April. Okay. From
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  Speaker 1: out in Iowa City. Number 10 is Mr. Mercedes.
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  Speaker 2: Says it's Stephen King. Origin is tragic. He turned this
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  Speaker 2: tragedy into chaotic serial killer spree. Even though Como was.
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  Speaker 1: Able to kill people through computers and screens, it's one
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  Speaker 1: of the best series lately I've watched or read. Number nine, It.
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  Speaker 1: Need I say more? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Randall Flagg, Walter Odom, Man in Black, Gunslinger. One of
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  Speaker 2: the king's great recurring in Bodies of Evil.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Annie Wilkes from Misery. That's a great one. She's
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: just unhinged. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Walter White, just brilliant. Shadow King or Legion from X-Men.
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  Speaker 2: Went back and forth. The character itself is not evil,
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: but he's possessed by the Shadow King. Because he's the
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: most powerful level 5 mutant, he can't control his powers.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Love his story. Magneto from X-Men. Unrelatable villain. Completely relatable villain.
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  Speaker 1: Makes sense because of what he endured during his origins.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Ramsey Bolton from Game of Thrones. Hated him so much
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: he was periodical personified because he was the bastard son.
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  Speaker 1: He was. He's so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Such a dick. Medusa, victimized by Poseidon and then cursed
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  Speaker 2: to become this monster. It's atrocious because she.
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  Speaker 1: Was the victim. Yep. And number one, Crowley. Yeah, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Because he sold his soul for a bigger penis. And
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: as a son of a witch, had.
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  Speaker 2: Both witchcraft and demonic powers, he was able to overthrow
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  Speaker 2: and outsmart Lucifer and become the king of the land.
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  Speaker 1: Again, we talk about sympathetic villains. I was just saying.
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  Speaker 1: That's what origin stories do a lot, though. They kind
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  Speaker 1: of make you sympathetic toward the ultimate villain. Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 2: So, like, you're thinking, watching whatever movie or show you're
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: going to watch with a villain, it's like, the origin story,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, this is tragic. But you
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: have to think, like, They're terrible people. Like if you
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: watch a Ramsey Bolton.
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  Speaker 1: Origin story, I don't want to be sympathetic to that guy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what makes an even better villain is when
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  Speaker 2: you have that backstory of like, oh, I see why
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: they're pissed. Yep.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Did I read one? Yeah. No. Caleb. Number 10. Jules
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  Speaker 1: from Pulp Fiction. Team villain. I mean, they all are.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was a hero in that movie. Nine,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Han Wanda from The Glorious Basterds.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah. Coming up. Eight, Syndrome from The Incredibles.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. Oh, that's good. Yeah, he has
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  Speaker 1: a real good backstory. Ignored and turned bad. Yeah. Just
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: mad at Mr. Incredible. Yeah.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Number seven, the weird guy who rips hearts out in
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  Speaker 2: the Temple of Doom. I think he had a name,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: but I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's named the weird guy. It's definitely
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: not the weird guy. I'm sure he's credited with something else. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Number six, Juggernaut. Okay. Okay. Ooh, five, Skeletor. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: You want to see the Skeletor movie? I would. I'd
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: love to see it. I'd watch it. I loved the
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  Speaker 1: He-Man movie. Number four, the Dread Pirate Roberts. Ooh, from
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Princess Bride. Princess Bride. That would be a good one,
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  Speaker 1: because you just get past that. Wasn't there five? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There was a bunch of them. Number three, Lord Farquaad.
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  Speaker 1: He's short. I mean, other than he's short.
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  Speaker 2: Number two, Alan Dulles, first director of CIA.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, was this like a real thing?
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, Revan from Star Wars. That's a deep cut there.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: That's from the books. Can I read one, Ryan? Sure,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I'll take one. What do we got here? Is that Monty? Monty.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Monty.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, Monty. It's all right. All right. Number 10,
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  Speaker 1: Red Skull, Captain America. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's a
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: good one. He was just kind of up in the air.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I wonder what turns him so crazy. Because you don't
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: really find out. Yeah, I guess you don't find out.
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  Speaker 2: You just have him being crazy. Yeah, he's just nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Number nine, Mr.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Body from Clue. That's funny. Wow. That's a good one.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: That's a good poll.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, I like this, the back story of the aliens
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: from Independence Day.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're just trying to live. They're just trying to live.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: They're trying to find new habitats. Right. I mean, they're,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're terrible. Destroy every world in their path, but,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: you know, they're just trying to live. Whatever. Tell me
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't do the same thing if we were able
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: to travel.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. We have. To travel to the, I mean, yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: As a people, I hope we've done that. Yeah. We
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: are no better. Number seven, Dr.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Evil.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: That's a great one. That's a great one.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Don't they kind of briefly touch on it in one
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: of the movies? They do, yeah. His childhood? Yeah. Yes.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: So you want to see a full Dr. Evil movie.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Number six, Gunnar Stahl from Mighty Ducks 2. Is that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the coach?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it is. That's freaking great.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: You know how long it's been since I've seen Mighty
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Ducks 1? So, I mean, really all of the villains
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in the Mighty Ducks are more the coaches than the players. Oh, definitely.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I think they put it on the coaches so that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: way they do not, like, hit the kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: But you mean the kids are jerks? The kids are jerks.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Number five, this is fantastic, Dennis Reynolds. Somebody had to.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He's a villain. They're all villains. Everybody in this show
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: is a villain. I love it. New season so far, man. Fantastic.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: So far. Number four, El Guapo from the Three Amigos.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha. I love that there's so many different ones.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: This is good. Number three, Red-Faced Demon from Insidious.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I've not seen that. I've not seen Insidious.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: We have no comments on that one. Just me neither.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Number two, Darth Maul. And number one, Pierre Desperado. Nice.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Pierre Desperado from Psych. I did not watch that. That's great.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Melanie.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: All right. Number, what were we at? Seven?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Seven.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I wasn't sure about this one. So, Dr.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Kelso from Scrubs. He's definitely started off as a doctor.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: We've seen some hints at how he was as a
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: young doctor.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But not how he became... Even when he became chief,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: he was in with a patient and just dropped the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: chart and left.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I want to see a full series of this.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Bob Kelso. Yeah, that would be great. I'd watch it. Nice.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the villain of Scrubs. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if Scrubs really has a villain. Maybe the janitor. Yeah,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'd say the janitor. Probably. Yeah. I'm number seven.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with Vulture from Spider-Man. Even though
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I spelled it like Peter-Man. Yeah. Because he was also
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: another one that you're like, I get it. Yeah, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: get why he was the way he was. He was
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: just pissed. Just trying to provide for his family, man.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Hardworking guy. Government came in and said, no, no, we're
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: taking all this over. Uh-huh.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Are you though? I'd be mad too. Yeah. No compensation. Nothing. Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I get it again.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Wrong.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Did he go too far? Sure.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: But Hey, then he didn't give up Peter in the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: end though. He didn't.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So he still showed him as a honorable. Yep.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: All right. My number seven, this one was already brought
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: up on somebody's list, but if we want to expand
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: or if we want to save it, because one of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you have it higher on the list of Magneto's origin story.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's coming up.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: We can wait. I can, I can put that as
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: my next one. Okay. So we can just talk about
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it now. Do you have them? Nope. Go ahead. Yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: we'll do it. Yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you, kind of get glimpses of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: it in the first ones but then when they go
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: yeah to the new with the new characters of the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: date past uh first class first class yeah that one
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: really went into because that was how the movie started
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: yeah it was him at a concentration camp yeah all
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: you're pulling the fence he pulls the pen and the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: coin thing and everything like that and you're just like
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I can't hate this guy now. He hates humans. That's rough. Absolutely, Magneto. Again,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: excited for Doomsday.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will go number six here for me then.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You did that yourself. So I went with a twofer
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: here from the same movie. Colin Sullivan or Frank Castello
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: from The Departed. Because at the beginning of The Departed,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: we kind of see where Frank Jack Nicholson pulls Matt
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Damon from, you know, the South projects back into the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: world of crime being corrupt cop.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I want to see how he became the corrupt cop
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and all that. Like what, I don't know. I'm just
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: curious on all the.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Whole, cause I love that. It's my favorite movie of
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: all time. And Frank Costello too. I want to see
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson's young, you know, Catholic school roots. Maybe that's how,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: maybe that's how he became so evil. Maybe he started
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: taking lunch money. It just became the, Mom, mastermind.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yep. I'm just kidding.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I'll skip this one because I just did that one. Okay,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: so my number six. Let's see if you know this name.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Peter Krieg. Oh, yes, from Die Hard for the Vengeance.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: There you go. Simon Peter Gruber would be the real name. Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Die Hard 3. And you talked about an origin story
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: when the CIA or FBI, whatever it is, When they
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: say that name and they flash back and they show
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Hans going out of the building, you're like, oh, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: get why he's going after John McClane now. And it's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: just so great the way that they told that origin
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: story to me of like, again, not only this is
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: why he's pissed because he's just a grouper and wants
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to go get money, but this is why he's, you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: messing with McClane. But I love that the whole part
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of him messing with McClane was just a side thing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: The heist was the thing. He was just bugged with McClane.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Just because he could. He's like, he's in New York,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I'm in New York. Could have had him.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Killed at any moment. But kept choosing to let him live.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Terrible villain. Kill him.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And Jeremy Irons, by the way. Fantastic. And when he
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: has a line about how he didn't get along with
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: his brother or whatever, he's like, yes, I didn't get
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: along with him.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But also when some flat foot throws him off the building,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, see, there it is. There it is.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I love that. Way better than the second one. Way
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: better than the second one. And the fourth one. Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Or the fifth one. Is there a five?
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I'd say, I mean, one and three. One and three
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: are too good. For me, it's one and three and
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: then everything else.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. I agree. That's a good one, though. I like it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Do we have another list? Euphoria. Frankenstein.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein. Is it the doctor or the monster?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: This is Frankenstein, so I'm assuming she means the doctor.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Because the monster is just Frankenstein's monster.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Slenderman. Okay. Don't know anything about him. Yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: me neither. Okay.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Raven.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think Raven-Symoné. Is she a villain? She might be.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Or is it them? Them? Okay. Kind
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of has a... Kind of an anti-villain. Yeah. Like anti-hero?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: He's more anti-hero. Started off as a villain. People loved him,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: so they were like, well, we've got to make him good.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: People loved him.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Number six, Scar. Speaking of Jeremy Irons.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Number five, Sid from Toy Story. Why is he such
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a little jerk?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Why is he a jerk? Why is he mutilated? Number four,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Morticia Adams with a question mark. Is she a villain?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But they're, I mean, they're the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Addams Family, so they're... Yeah. A dark, likable villain? But yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: why did she become dark? How did she meet Gomez.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think they kind of tell some of that in Wednesday.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: A little bit. There's a little bit. I think season two.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Did you watch Wednesday? It was pretty good. It was solid, yep.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Number three, Catwoman. I like it. Number two, Dr. Facilier
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: from Princess and the Frog. Never seen that one.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He's the street magician guy.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I like that. Number one, Megamind. For Megamind.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: For Megamind. That's a good origin story. I like that one.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I like it. I got a list from Mia.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Number 10. She's from Australia. Isn't Australia? Should I do
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it in Australian accent? Please don't. Okay.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Mia.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Number 10. Gargamel from the Smurfs. Oh my gosh. I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: love that. Okay.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Why does he want to eat the Smurfs so bad?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: They must be delicious. What does he have against them?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Because he goes out of his way. Maybe he's a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: big fan of blueberries and they taste like blueberries.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I guess. Number 9. Trump. Okay. Number eight, Sauron. Gargamel, Trump. Wow,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that's a heck of a list. Number seven, I don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: know if I'm saying this right, Komodos from Gladiator. Komod?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Is that Joaquin Phoenix's character? I believe so. Wasn't he
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the bad guy in that? It's been years since.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen that. I've only seen Gladiator once. I haven't
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: seen the second one either. I want to see the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: second one. It looks good.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Number six, Prince Humperdinck. Number five, Zod.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Four, Greyskull. I don't know what that's from.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I've heard from Kingdom. It's not Castle Greyskull.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: There's a space. Greyskull.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I know Red Skull. Can't think of what Greyskull is.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Number three, JD from Heathers.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: No. Number two, Voldemort. Know that one. Uh-huh, yep. That'll
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: be good. Number one, Medusa. Okay.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Grade school was the king. In general? He was king
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: grade school in the Netflix series.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Oh. What Netflix series? Netflix series, He-Man and the Master
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Universe in 2021. Oh. Wow. Have not watched that. Didn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: even know it existed. Yeah, I get one.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yes, Brie Perkins here starts with Game of Thrones.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Any of the Lannisters. Lannisters.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Any one of them. They're all horrible people. Except for
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: maybe Jaime. Who would you want to see the most of?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: If you're picking one Lannister, make a... Like, we've seen
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: basically the kids. We don't really need to see more
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of the kid.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: He's just a jerk. How, I mean... I mean, I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: guess they could do like an early version of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: brother and sister. Jaime and... Jaime and what's her name?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, why am I blanking on her name?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Although that's just an incest story. That's all it is.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That could be your villain origin story. Or the dad.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: The dad was a horrible person too. That's true. Although
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he did die in the toilet. Number nine. Ben from Lost. Yep.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Ben Linus from Lost. He was... So if you saw
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the guy himself who played him, just a normal looking dude.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Kind of looks like he works in IT. But he's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: very calm. A very evil. Yeah. Number eight, Homelander. Oh, yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: We kind of got a little bit. Yeah, we saw
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: enough of his origin story to know. You're just a jerk.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: It was the one episode that I kind of squirmed
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit on where they told a lot of
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: his origin story when he went down to the basement.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: With the doctors.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Killed all of them slowly. That was the Out of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: all of.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Those episodes, there were a lot of bloody ones. That
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: was the one that I'm kind of like, ugh, this
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: makes me cringe a little. It got kind of real there.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Some of the other ones were like, oh, you know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: They were so comical. That one got a little real.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It did, yeah. Do you think that guy, the guy
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: who plays Homelander, can get another role?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Just how big of a jerk he's been throughout for seasons.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Can you play a good guy? Anything? Ever? It's been
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: real tough for him. Like you see Ramsey Bolton, for example.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Can Ramsey Bolton play anything good? Nick Mars. He did
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: play Nick Mars. He did pretty good. Yeah, so. Number seven,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Evil Queen from Once Upon a Time. Never seen that either.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: All right. Number six, Darth Vader. Number five, Joker. Number four, Loki.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I like that. Number three, Voldemort. Number two, Gollum. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: number one, Emperor Palpatine. Good one. That is a good one.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Number five, is that where we are?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I believe so. Bill from Kill Bill. Bill, yeah, that's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a good one.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: What's his last name? First of all, I'd like to kind.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Of know his last name. No known last name? No,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: unknown last name. Just too bad we're not going to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: have the same actor.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he dies. He's gone. Due to his own
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: kind of shenanigans.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But He was listening to In Excess while he did it?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: He sure was.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Too soon? No. How did he gather up all of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: his people? How did he become the kung fu or
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: karate legend or whatever he was? An assassin? I'm curious.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I bet Tarantino would be able to tell if you
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: did more movies. He has one left. We'll see.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not buying that. My number five is Dr. Doofenshmirtz
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: from Phineas and Ferb. Good for you. He has a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: dark backstory. He was an abused child. They do touch
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: on it. Just a little bit. But he does have
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a dark backstory of why he's such a scary. They
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: do it in like a comical way. Yeah. But you
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: already hate Doofenshmirtz. But boy, if they made like a
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: rated R version, that'd be interesting. Have you watched some
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of the rated R stuff they put out? Like kids shows? Oh,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: like the Winnie the Pooh. I haven't watched that. No.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: There's a Bambi one coming that looks pretty great. No,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: why would they write Bambi? He gets grown up and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: just starts killing monsters. Of course. Wait, how's he holding
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a gun? No, he's like, But there's antlers. He's just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: killing people. He's just killing them, man. Oh, of course
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: they are. I don't think it'd be hilarious. I mean,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Winnie the Pooh was, what, a horror movie? Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Did you watch that? No, I did not. Blood and Honey? Yes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: but that's what it is. Blood and Honey? Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: They're making a Tin Man. Yeah, I saw that one too.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: A horror movie for Tin Man.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, come on. Is it 100 years? Yeah, I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: think it's 100 years.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's 100.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's 75.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they start becoming anybody can do what they want
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: with them. Because I think there's a Peter Pan one
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: coming too.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, why?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I know Betty Boop one's coming out.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Or it's already out. I don't know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The X-rated Betty Boop? I'm sure that one's been out
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've seen that. Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, my number five here, again, origin story. It's brief,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but when Agent Smith explains why he's trying to kill
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Neo in the Matrix, I get it. He was just
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a part of the machine, happy to be in his
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: little machine world, and now he's been sent to that place.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It's the smell, the smell.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, Okay, you just want to go home
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: when you're out here on this mission and you hate
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the smell.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I hate smells too, I get it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Nice. Number four, you touched on half of this one
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for me. I'm going to go Hans Gruber and his
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: brother Simon growing up. I want to see their childhood.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: German fighting, man. They're just having a good old time.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think they ever worked together when they were younger?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe some like, you know, robbing liquor stores
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: or something when they were young. Or did Did one
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: brother go bad and the other.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Saw what was going on and was like, I can
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: do that too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Like Hans went bad? Yeah, Hans tried to do the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: thing in LA and it just didn't work for him
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: at all. And maybe Simon then saw it and was like, oh.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Now I can be the big brother. Interesting. It'd be fun.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Because I love Hans. Alan Rickman as Hans. He's a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: great bad guy. Could have had him in for Sheriff
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of Nottingham too. Or Rottingham. Different actor. Oh, yeah. My
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: number four? I'm going with Medusa as well.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: You're going to do number five? Yeah, that was Dufan Schmidt. Oh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: he is, yes. He started with that. Yeah. Medusa. Did
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you skip your five? No, I did five. My five
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: was Patrick. Sorry. I do that a lot. I very
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: jump over. It happens. A lot. Sorry, Josh. Medusa? Medusa, yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I like that story of her just getting screwed over.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Is she really a villain? She's not really a villain.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: They just made her look like one. And then she
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: went and lived on an island by herself to stay
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: away from people. And people keep coming to the island
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to try to kill her and die. She's like, I'm
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: just trying to stay away from you. You keep coming
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: here to kill me.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just chilling.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Frickin' people.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: All right, my number four, I go back to the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: world of Marvel. It's what I know best. Again, talking
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: about origin stories being very brief.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: But Ultron.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. When all of the images... get thrown into
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Ultron's head. And all of a sudden he's like, oh,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: this is terrible. I got to destroy all this. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, ooh, and that's all our fault. I didn't
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: think long. He came to the conclusion real quick. His
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: origin story is our history.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yes. And that's great. I know. That's great.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Especially when you're reading all the stories right now about
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: AI agents swarming other AI agents.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You were talking.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: About Agent Smith and I was like, was he really wrong?
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, he should have listened the whole time.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. To the Matrix.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Funny how there's a lot of AI-inspired things on my
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: list with recent, yeah. So, yeah, Ultron. Great villain, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I like the story. It's funny you say that because
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: we just had the podcast before that. We just had
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Robbie on our, we interviewed Robbie for the podcast. Oh, yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Robbie Barr. Yeah. Nice. So, it was fun. Yeah, listen
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to that. Go listen to it. Yeah. After you listen
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to this one.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Don't stop this one. Listen to this one first. Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Number three. Number three.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. Nope, that's not it. We already did that one.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Arthur Mitchell, the Trinity Killer.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: John Letzcow's character in Dexter. We know his backstory. He
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: saw his sister get murdered. His dad became a drunk
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: and his mom killed herself. I want to see the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: whole thing. How it panned out. And they talked about
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: making a TV show about him.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I thought I saw that. But it never came to fruition, unfortunately.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Give it time. You never know. Oh, yeah. Wait 75 years.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That won't come up. Good one. Mine is Jigsaw. Oh, yeah. John? Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. I mean, we kind of know the cancer
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and all that, but. There had to have been more.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: To make him be so sadistic. Yeah, you don't just
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: happen to start murdering people in very slow ways. Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Very disturbing ways. Yes. You don't take somebody's jaw and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: rip it apart from top to bottom. Just for giggles?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Just for, hey, I got cancer. It didn't help me. Beep-bop-boop.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Got a big bill, so I'm going to start killing people.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, healthcare. And then they made like ten movies.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He's still alive. Yeah, so Cancer wasn't that bad. You're fine, bud.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: You really went off the deep end here. Oh, yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, my number three, you're going to laugh, but it's
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest movies of all time.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you the quote here.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I tried to think of the most harmless thing, something
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: from my childhood, something that could never, ever possibly destroy us.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Mr. Stay Puft. Again, it It is a 10 to 15.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Second origin story, but Ackroyd in that moment when he says,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: we used to roast marshmallows around the campfire at Camp Wakanda.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: That's the origin story of State Park Marshmallow Man, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it's such a great story that Ackroyd's geared up. And
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: then when Bill Murray goes to Venkman, he says, I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: terrified beyond the rational thought. I'm just like, that moment
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of that movie just cracked me up. And yeah, it's
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: all from Ackroyd. What a great origin story.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just thinking of a marshmallow. Just thinking of a marshmallow.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: That was it. Something that can never, ever possibly destroy us.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You know, if somebody told me to.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Not think about something that would kill us, I'd immediately
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: start thinking about it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not only going to think about it, I'm going
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to think about the other effects of it happening.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: On multiple things. You can't tell me not to think
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: about something. Like when somebody tells you not to look
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: down from heights. I'm looking down immediately. Yeah, I can't
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: blame him for that one. I have a couple of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: lists here.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: This is Jim Bull. He went full.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Synopsis. Brief synopsis. He gave his own backstory to all
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: these people. Lord Farquaad, for example. His backstory he created
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is he is the eighth dwarf. He was kicked out
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of the tribe for being too controlling. His name was Bossy.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: After being kicked out, he landed his current gig and
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: needed to find a new princess. I love that he
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: was actually based off of the CEO of Disney. Really?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And Farquad is actually Fuckwad. That's why their name is
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that way. And he was, you know, oh, I wonder
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: if he's compensating for something. Because the guy that wrote
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it got fired from Disney. It was basically a big
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: middle finger on Disney. Number nine, Max Cady from Cape Fear.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: His backstory is he's actually Gilligan. And once he was
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: rescued and brought back to the mainland, he just couldn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: adjust to life back home. Nice. And Number eight, Hans Gruber.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: He grew up poor, loved cars, and wanted to be
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the president of Mercedes-Benz or Porsche. He went to college,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: was on a straight and narrow, met some friends, was
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: caught up in the wrong crowd, saw the original Ocean's Eleven,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and was inspired to pull off a major heist.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I like it. Yep. Sid Phillips from Toy Story. His
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: backstory is he's the third Menendez brother.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: He is messed up from what he saw his brothers do.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So he goes to a foster care and mutilates toys
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: due to what he saw his brothers do to his parents. Nice.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Number six, Mayor Humdinger from Paw Patrol.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Has a long crush on Mary Goodway and tries to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: do things to wow her and ends up causing trouble
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: in camps.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I love that we got so many kids movies. I know.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Number five, Catherine Tremel from Basic Instinct. Ooh.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: She is actually Jan Brady. She grew up in the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: shadow of Marsha. She decides to reinvent herself as she
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: goes to college at Berkeley. where she enrolls as a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: psych major and takes up writing. She's still manipulative and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: craves attention.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Nice. She crosses her legs. Gil Renard from The Fan.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Is that De Niro? I believe it is, yeah. He's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: actually Yaya from The Sandlot.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: He's obsessed with Rayburn because he is the closest thing
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: he saw to Benny the Chip Rodriguez, and he wants
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to relive his youth by getting close to Rayburn like
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: he was with Benny.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Number three. General Hummel. Yeah. It's all a lie.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: He has nothing to do with military pensions. He was
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: hired by Spectre to take out James Bond. He knows
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Bond was imprisoned at Alcatraz using his source in the military,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and he knew his aging attack at Alcatraz would force
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the U.S. government to find Bond to help them with
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the insurgent.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Something but a mercenary, you know. Hmm. Martel from The Replacements.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I've never seen The Replacements. Yeah, I don't know. Basically,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: he went to Michigan and thought he wanted to Ohio State.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Number one, Principal Rudy. Rudy. Ferris
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Bueller's day off.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: His obsession begins when he had a crush on Ferris'
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: mom growing up and he hates Ferris' dad for beating
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: him to the punch.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Takes it out on Ferris. Jimbo. Was he really the
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: villain in that? No, I think Ferris is the villain. Ferris,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: go to school. Go to school. Good job. I got
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a list from Boyd Fowler. From Miami. Yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Number 10, Tommy Vercetti from GTA Vice City. That's a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: video game.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: That's a video game villain. Number 9, The Creeper. I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: assuming that's from Jeepers Creepers. Yes. Oh. 8, Francis Buxton
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: from Pee Wee's Big Adventure. He's just a rich kid. Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Number 7, Dr.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Facilier from Princess and the Frog. Number 6, Florida Man.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: This is just because he's from Florida.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I would assume. I mean, how many of those things
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you see Florida man X. Yeah. Number five, Joshua James.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So it says Florida. Okay. No. Four, Captain Bly, English
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: navigator who celebrated a mutiny. Hmm. Okay. I like how
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he does real things. Yeah. Yeah. Three, Max Cady from
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Cape Fear.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Frank Booth from Blue Velvet. I've seen that. Number one,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Tony Mantegna from Scarface. Tony Mantegna. Is it Mantegna? All right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You got one more there? I do. From Mark. Mark
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: also wants to see Gargamel's backstory. Yeah. I feel like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that's makeable. I think so too. Who would play Gargamel?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Like right now. I think young Gargamel too. Yeah. So
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: now Leonard from Big Bang Theory.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Howard. Howard. Somebody short and nerdy.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: There you go. Howard.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at that.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Number nine, Bluto from Popeye.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like his origin story is, why
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: does Popeye have the girl? Yeah. And what was so
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: great about that girl? I don't know. That was a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: weird thing, too.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: She was hot. Yeah. She needed more spinach. She did.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Number eight, Miss Hannigan from Annie. Oh. She was a
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: big drunk who hated kids for some reason.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I wonder if her backstory is she, like, lost a
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: kid or something and just.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Started opening up our own foster home. Yeah. So I'm
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: going to be around kids all the time. And then
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: he gets really drunk all the time. Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Number seven, Alex Forrest from Fatal Attraction. Okay. I don't
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: think I've seen that. I don't remember that one.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Number six, Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland. Nice.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Off with their heads. They kind of touched on that in,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I think, some of the live action ones, didn't they?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: They might have. I think so. Hmm. Number five, Maleficent.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I love all these kids' movies. I know. It's crazy
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: how many kids' movies. They have good don'ts. They do.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And a lot of them, like Maleficent, they did the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: original story, and then they said, you know, this villain's
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: so good, let's do the movie about them and kind
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: of learn more. Number four, Hans Gruber. Number three, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I'm jealous of you, Mark, for this one, Mr.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Burns.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, from Simpsons. Oh, my God, you're going to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: act like the Civil War. I wonder how old is
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that guy. That's a good one right there.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Did he serve in the Civil War? Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Number two, Lex Luthor. And number one, Arthur Mitchell from X-Men.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I can't believe? Nobody's had it on
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the list. We haven't had, like, a horror movie villain. Like,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: no Jason, no Freddy. I've kind of seen their work
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: in my home. But I mean, nobody, you know, I'm
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: just surprised. I guess I had Jigsaw. That's close.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And it was on someone's list. Oh, yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Number two, top two here. Hans Landa from Glorious Bastards.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Using his charm and his... It was very charming. Very charming.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Very charming. A bit scary charming. Yeah. Like that opening
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: scene of Glorious Bastards is so dark.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: It's so creepy because you can see that dad was
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: just on edge the whole time.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And he knew what was going to happen to him. Yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It felt terrible.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yep. Mine, going with Lucifer. The
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: TV show?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: On Amazon, is it? Or just the devil himself? I mean, it's.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Kind of the same origin story. But there is a comic. Like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: there is a Lucifer in the comics.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Like, they did a whole comic, but that's what
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the show is based on. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's pretty great.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: It's a good show. All right. My number two is
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: very different from that. From The Devil?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Tell me it's a lot more different. No, mine is
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: The Grinch from The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. Yeah, that's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: a bit different. It is a bit different, but... little
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: green kid that looked different and he tried to shave
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and nicked himself up and everyone made fun of him
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: and so he went crazy and stole all their toys.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And then Cindy Lou Who, right there, you know, there
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: she is, brought him back and said, no, Christmas is
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: a good thing. But that, I felt like that origin story, again,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: of like, hey, he was a fine kid, actually he
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was a smart kid, but then all the other kids
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: made fun of him and turned him into.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: A bad guy. Well, there's going to be so many
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: origin stories of just kids making fun of other kids.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It really has, doesn't it? I believe that's how every
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: horror movie. Bullying is wrong, kids. Every horror movie villain
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was bullied. Yeah. I have a few honorable mentions. Cyrus
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the Virus. Oh, that's a good one. From Con Air. Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: You can do a couple from Con Air. Garland Green. Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Psycho.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Negan. Yeah, that's a good one, too.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Negan origin story would be amazing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Especially with Jeffrey D. Morgan.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: It's funny when Anton Sugar and Javier Bardem look very similar.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: The Wet Bandits. Oh, from Home Alone 2.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Home Alone 1 and 2. I know, we talk about
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Home Alone 2 all the time. Way too much. Wet
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Bandits or Sticky Bandits. When are we going with that?
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: You're right, Sticky Bandits was 2. I'm wrong. And Mr. Belding.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the villain. I think Zach is.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Zach is definitely the villain of that. In 2026, Zach
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Morris is the devil.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's horrible. He is, yeah. Yeah, that's all my
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: honorable mentions. I don't have any. I did not have
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: any honorable mentions. So straight to number one. Biff Tannen.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: If I had to have an honorable mention, it would
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: be that one. Or all the Tannens, for that matter. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: all of them. Riff, or whatever. What were the names?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Mad Dog Tannen. Mad Dog Tannen. What did you call me?
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Why are they so... jerks. He loses his grandma, doesn't he? Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So maybe he lost his parents. Maybe that's why he's
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: so angry. Could be. Maybe Marty made fun of him
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: at some point during school for losing his parents. Or
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: right after he lost them. Well, it wasn't Marty. It
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: was his dad. Maybe he doesn't like Marty because Marty
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: had Doc or something. I don't know.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe Doc is this uncle or something. Yeah. But
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it all started in the Old West. It did. It
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: was a bully then. That was before he lost his parents.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: He was just a dick.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: My number one is Dracula. Okay.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It's a tragic tragedy. Tragic tale. He just wants to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: be loved. And to be left alone. Sleep in the
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: hell alone. And you can pick numerous different Dracula movies.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Or Dr.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Ecula.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: My number one has already been mentioned a few times,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: but we haven't really talked much about Darth Vader.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, we talk about origin stories, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and in the first three, you don't really see it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: He's just a bad guy, but then in the first three,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: then you see it, and it's like, oh, okay, there
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: was a little bad in there, and then, you know.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I still think he went really bad really quick.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, these guys aren't.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Listening to me and they're not making me a Jedi. Yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: he was a pouty pants for a while. Yeah, he
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: was a pouty pants. He really was just kind of
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a dick, too.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: But then, you know, you go past those first three
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: and then you get into Obi-Wan and you see it
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: even more and you're just like, once you get past
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: all that and you put all of it together and
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: as much as the story is about Luke and all
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: this other stuff, at the end of the day you
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: look at it and you're like, man.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: one through six and everything in between, it's Darth Vader's story.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: 100%. It's absolutely... It's more than anything else. Yeah, it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a Vader story.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Palpatine, you know, he's the one that carries
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it all the way through, really, but at the end
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of the day, it's so much his story and, yeah. Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And he killed a bunch of kids. He
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: did kill a bunch of kids. Yeah. Very easily, too. Oh,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it didn't take much. They were meditating, weren't they? Well,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. But still.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: He didn't go in the temple or something? Well, that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: even worse He's just killing kids. Yeah, they were all
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: hiding out.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Just because he wasn't allowed to, I mean. Yeah, just
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: because he didn't get to be a Jedi and they
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: weren't listening to him. He couldn't go on a mission,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't it? A lot of it was his wife was
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: going to die.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So, whatever. It started with. And she still died. It
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: started with his mom dying. Yeah. And that's when he
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: went and he killed all the sand people. Yep. Yep.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden he got mad because he
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: wouldn't let him be a Jedi. Then it was his
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: wife started dying. He didn't want to lose the wife
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the same way he lost the mom. So then he
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, now I'll join you and become dark
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and learn how to save her. And you know, at
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: the time when he killed all the sand people, we
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: all thought the sand people were just savages. Then you
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: watch Boba Fett and realize all those sand people aren't.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: So he was just killing, like, it makes it even worse.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He's the ultimate villain. We were going to
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: play that as our intro. We thought Disney would flag us.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: That's possible. We had an episode get flagged a couple
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. It didn't take it down. It's down now. Oh, geez. Well, yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Ultimate villain and then at the end he does one
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: good thing and he still gets a shadow next to.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is bullshit. He kills a bunch of kids.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: He does it good to come back. He blew up
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: an entire planet.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that one scene in Rogue One, where he's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: just mowing down people in that hallway.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: How awesome is it, though? It's so awesome. Visually, it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: one of the coolest things you'll see. But then, you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: he's still a shadow next to Yoda, and you're like, really?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I hated that part. One good deed does not make
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: up for Lifetime of a massacre. You built a whole
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: thing just to kill a bunch of people.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Let's kill planets. Whatever. So there you go. That's the
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: origin story. Yep. And next week we are doing your
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: top ten.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a full big transition. We're not even close
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: in the same row. We're going to go to sandwiches.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Because everyone loves sandwiches. So your favorite sandwiches of all time.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Like sandwiches from restaurants, anywhere. Anything.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Anything. So yeah, if you give us a list, we'll
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: read it on the pod.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Email me about that one. Yeah. Because there's tons.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Just a standard. It's a hot dog sandwich. We'll find out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: It's a hot dog sandwich. We'll find out. Now, here's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a question. Split the hot dogs down the middle. You
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: lay them on a piece of bread. You eat the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: hot dogs that way. Is that a sandwich?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I think a hot dog is a sandwich. It's on bread.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: We'll get into that. We've done enough here today. Ryan,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: do you have anything that you want to tell the people?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: There's a good concert.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Coming up Monday. Tonight, as the straps tonight. Okay, that's
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say. We'll be at the concert.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, so as you're listening to this, you should
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: be at Kill Switching Edge.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we've got a ton more shows. We've
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: got Gwar, Black Metal Society, Highly Suspect, giving away $ 25, 000.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: There's Bears this and watch parties that and Halloween. It's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: just next. The weekend that I just was, or well,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: this is different. I don't have another weekend off until November.
• 52:33
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• 52:36
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• 52:40
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• 52:42
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• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Is it just at IROC? Yeah, IROC935. Okay, there you go.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, thanks for listening. Comment, tell your friends. Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And we will see you next week.