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If Leon Black Can Drag Congress Into Court, Imagine What Epstein Survivors Were Up Against? (Part 2) (9/5/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off talking about Leon Black and the
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit he filed against Congress. Leon Black's lawsuit now adds
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  Speaker 1: another brick to that architecture, whether he intends it that
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  Speaker 1: way or not. Black insists the committee is exceeding its
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  Speaker 1: authority and seeking private material without a legitimate connection to
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  Speaker 1: its legislative purpose. a federal court will decide the legal
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  Speaker 1: question presented by that challenge. Congress, meanwhile, has to decide
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  Speaker 1: whether it actually intends to enforce its institutional authority or
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  Speaker 1: merely complain about having it challenged. That second question may
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  Speaker 1: prove more revealing than the lawsuit itself. Because if the
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  Speaker 1: House ultimately folds, dithers, delays, or allows the calendar to
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  Speaker 1: swallow the dispute, every future witness with sufficient resources will
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  Speaker 1: understand the lesson. Defiance works. Litigation buys time. Congressional outrage
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  Speaker 1: has an expiration date. And time is one of the
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  Speaker 1: most underrated weapons possessed by wealthy people facing scrutiny. Members
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  Speaker 1: of Congress operate on election calendars. Committees change hands. Chairmen change.
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  Speaker 1: Investigations lose momentum. News cycles move on. And witnesses understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyers understand that. Leon Black's legal team certainly understands that
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  Speaker 1: time changes. is not some neutral substance floating harmlessly over
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  Speaker 1: a congressional investigation. Every month spent litigating the subpoena is
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  Speaker 1: a month the committee is not obtaining the testimony and
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  Speaker 1: materials it says it needs. Every procedural fight pushes the
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  Speaker 1: substantive questions farther away. Congress should have anticipated that possibility
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  Speaker 1: before swaggering around Washington, pretending subpoenas automatically enforce themselves. And
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  Speaker 1: that failure of anticipation? is what makes the committee look
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  Speaker 1: so fucking feckless. Leon Black didn't become a billionaire yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: His ability to mount a legal, serious defense should not
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  Speaker 1: have surprised anybody capable of reading his biography. His relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein was not discovered last Tuesday either. Black's payments
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein have been publicly scrutinized for years. His lawyers
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  Speaker 1: were always going to scrutinize congressional demands with a microscope
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  Speaker 1: and attack anything they believed exceeded lawful authority. A competent
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  Speaker 1: committee investigating one of the most politically explosive scandals in
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  Speaker 1: modern American history should have prepared for war before issuing
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  Speaker 1: subpoenas to people possessing virtually unlimited resources. Instead, we now
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  Speaker 1: have lawmakers acting shocked that one of those people decided
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  Speaker 1: to fight back. What exactly did these geniuses think was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen? This is not a neighborhood zoning board dispute.
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  Speaker 1: Congress decided to investigate the network surrounding Epstein. That means
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  Speaker 1: entering into a world populated by people who can afford
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  Speaker 1: armies of lawyers, public relations specialists, investigators, consultants, lobbyists, and
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  Speaker 1: crisis managers. These are not witnesses who necessarily panic because
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  Speaker 1: somebody sends a letter bearing a congressional seal. Some of
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  Speaker 1: them have spent entire careers negotiating from positions of extraordinary strength.
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  Speaker 1: If lawmakers were serious, they should have understood from day
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  Speaker 1: one that every statutory authority, subpoena, deadline, deposition demand... evidentiary
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  Speaker 1: request and enforcement mechanism needed to be constructed to survive
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  Speaker 1: aggressive legal resistance. Instead, too much of this investigation has
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  Speaker 1: felt like performance, followed by surprise, when performance encounters resistance.
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  Speaker 1: Leon Black is not making Congress look weak by possessing
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary resources. Congress is making Congress look weak by repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: behaving as though it's only recently discovered that powerful people
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  Speaker 1: fight investigations. and Black, for his part, appears utterly uninterested
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  Speaker 1: in making life easier for them, why would he? From
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  Speaker 1: his perspective, he committed no Epstein-related wrongdoing, argues Congress has
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  Speaker 1: crossed legitimate boundaries, and has every incentive to fight requests
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  Speaker 1: he considers invasive. But Congress is not required to adopt
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  Speaker 1: Leon Black's assessment of what questions are legitimate. Investigators exist
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  Speaker 1: because subjects do not get unilateral authority to define the
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  Speaker 1: permissible boundaries of investigations and into themselves. Otherwise, every congressional
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  Speaker 1: inquiry could be concluded with a polite email asking the
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  Speaker 1: person under scrutiny which questions they would feel comfortable answering.
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  Speaker 1: The entire concept becomes farcical the moment the witness effectively
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  Speaker 1: acquires veto power. And that's why the lawful subpoenas have
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  Speaker 1: enforcement mechanisms. If Congress believes these subpoenas are valid, then
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  Speaker 1: it should stop whining and just fucking enforce them. Hold
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  Speaker 1: the necessary votes. Build the record. Defend the subpoenas in court.
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  Speaker 1: Pursue contempt if the law and facts support it. Make
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  Speaker 1: every member put their name beside a position. Don't retreat
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  Speaker 1: into endless statements about being disappointed. Nobody following Epstein for
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  Speaker 1: any meaningful length of time gives a shit whether Congress
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  Speaker 1: is disappointed. Survivors have had decades of disappointment. The public
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  Speaker 1: has had years of disappointment. What people need from Congress
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  Speaker 1: is not emotional disclosure about how sad lawmakers feel that
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  Speaker 1: a billionaire ignored them They need proof that the rules
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  Speaker 1: have some meaning when the person testing them is powerful.
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  Speaker 1: That's the entire issue. American institutions are remarkably skilled at
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  Speaker 1: demonstrating authority downward. Miss a tax deadline and see how
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  Speaker 1: quickly the government discovers your address. Ignore the wrong court
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  Speaker 1: order and discover how philosophical everyone suddenly stops being about enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Fall behind on obligations to the state and watch bureaucracy
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  Speaker 1: transform from confused to ruthlessly efficient. but point that same
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  Speaker 1: machinery upward toward enormous wealth, and suddenly every gear seems
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  Speaker 1: to require a congressional hearing about whether turning it would
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  Speaker 1: be appropriate. That contrast corrodes public faith faster than any
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist ever could. People are not insane for noticing
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  Speaker 1: that consequences appear to travel through society at different speeds.
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  Speaker 1: And once people notice it, telling them to trust the
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  Speaker 1: process becomes almost insulting. Which process? The process where Jeffrey Epstein...
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  Speaker 1: received one of the most notorious non-prosecution arrangements in modern
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  Speaker 1: American criminal justice? The process where survivors spent years fighting
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  Speaker 1: simply to understand how decisions affecting their rights were made?
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  Speaker 1: The process where powerful institutions repeatedly insist they're committed to
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  Speaker 1: transparency while producing redactions, delays, litigation, procedural fights, and carefully
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  Speaker 1: calibrated fragments of information? Or now the process where Congress
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  Speaker 1: subpoenas Leon Black and finds itself hauled in federal court
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  Speaker 1: by Leon Black? You can't continuously demonstrate institutional weakness and
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  Speaker 1: then demand unlimited public confidence in the institution. Trust is
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  Speaker 1: not a fucking entitlement enjoyed by government. It's earned through action.
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  Speaker 1: And right now, Congress has an opportunity to earn some
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  Speaker 1: of it back. Not by declaring Leon Black is guilty
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  Speaker 1: of something that has not been proved. Not by leaking
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  Speaker 1: salacious bullshit. not by turning the hearing into another partisan
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  Speaker 1: circus where members perform five-minute monologues for social media clips.
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  Speaker 1: Congress can earn credibility by doing the boring, difficult, legally
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  Speaker 1: rigorous work that is required to defend the legitimacy of
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  Speaker 1: its investigation. It can explain precisely why the information it
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  Speaker 1: seeks matters to understanding Epstein's network, finances, influence, and ability
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  Speaker 1: to operate. It can narrowly tailor requests where necessary without
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  Speaker 1: abandoning legitimate questions. It can demonstrate that constitutional rights will
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  Speaker 1: be respected without permitting wealth to become a substitute for compliance.
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  Speaker 1: Above all, it can show that when Congress issues a
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  Speaker 1: lawful subpoena, the recipient's net worth does not determine whether
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  Speaker 1: that subpoena survives. Because survivors are watching this even when
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  Speaker 1: Congress behaves as though the only audience consists of cable
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  Speaker 1: news producers. Other wealthy people are watching too. Attorneys are watching.
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  Speaker 1: Future witnesses are watching. Every person considering whether to cooperate
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  Speaker 1: with investigators is watching what happens to the person who
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  Speaker 1: does not. If Leon Black install, challenge, resist, and ultimately
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  Speaker 1: outlast the committee without meaningful consequence, that result will echo
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  Speaker 1: far beyond just Leon Black. It'll tell powerful people that
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  Speaker 1: congressional subpoenas are obstacles to manage rather than commands carrying
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  Speaker 1: institutional force. It'll tell ordinary people that cooperation is expected
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  Speaker 1: primarily from those who lack the means to fight. And
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  Speaker 1: it'll tell survivors something much darker about what happens when
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  Speaker 1: they dare challenge people capable of fighting even Congress itself.
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  Speaker 1: So the next time some drooling jackass sneers that the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein scandal must be a hoax because every survivor has
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  Speaker 1: not publicly identified every powerful person she ever encountered, show
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  Speaker 1: them this moment. Show them a billionaire refusing to appear.
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  Speaker 1: for a sworn congressional deposition and taking the committee that
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  Speaker 1: subpoenaed him to federal court. Show them Congress trying to
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  Speaker 1: determine how aggressively it's willing to respond. Show them the
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  Speaker 1: financial resources surrounding the people occupying Epstein's world. Then ask
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  Speaker 1: the simplest question imaginable. If the United States Congress can
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  Speaker 1: be forced into a protracted legal fight merely to obtain
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  Speaker 1: answers it says are necessary, what chance does an ordinary
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  Speaker 1: woman believe she has when she stands alone That question
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  Speaker 1: doesn't prove Leon Black committed any Epstein-related crime, and nobody
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  Speaker 1: needs to pretend otherwise. What it proves is that power
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  Speaker 1: changes the battlefield before the first piece of evidence is
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  Speaker 1: ever heard. Look, Leon Black is entitled to defend himself,
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  Speaker 1: challenge subpoenas, deny allegations, and exercise every right the Constitution
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  Speaker 1: provides them. Congress is equally obligated to defend its lawful
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  Speaker 1: investigative authority if it genuinely believes the information it seeks matters.
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  Speaker 1: What cannot continue is this pathetic ritual where institutions announce
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  Speaker 1: enormous investigations, summon enormously powerful people, encounter resistance, and then
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  Speaker 1: act astonished that accountability requires actual fucking work. Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: thrived in the space between theoretical accountability and accountability that
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  Speaker 1: somebody was willing to enforce. That space was filled with money, prestige, connections, lawyers, hesitation,
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  Speaker 1: institutional cowardice, and people convincing themselves that tomorrow would be
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  Speaker 1: a better day to ask that hard question. Leon Black's
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit has placed Congress directly inside that same uncomfortable space.
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  Speaker 1: And we're about to find out whether this committee intends
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  Speaker 1: to investigate power or merely perform an investigation until power
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  Speaker 1: tells it to fuck off. All the information that goes
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