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Bear & Balanced: Front Office Departures & Free Agency Outlook · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, welcome to Bear and Balance.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jeff Forkis, other side of the screen, Lester A, Wiltfung, Junior Lester.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: How is your Espen Yola, you ready to go to Spain?
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it seems like that could be in play here.
• 0:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Bears have that nine-tone game.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So teams that have nine home games, there's always a chance to go overseas or international or whatever it's gonna be.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, this year, the buzz is Spain.
• 0:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, for those, I mean, nothing's official.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, but for those of you that saw today, they officially made the Spain game happen.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that will happen this fall.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears are one of three teams that have Spain as like a designated marketing area.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: totally understand, but it sounds like they can kind of, you know, kind of really pitch to that market, you know, their team.
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were, I think they're the first or the second ones, but the dolphins, it was, it was the bears in the dolphins in Spain.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the chiefs were added, and the chiefs are in like eight countries.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, I don't know what's, what's happening there.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, but they're, they're really going that the bears are in the UK and in Spain.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is the first game in Spain, the bears play the Dolphins, but they they're slated to play the Dolphins on the road.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the Dolphins only have eight home games.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure that they could pull both of those teams in, but I think there's a really good chance.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been thinking of this for a while, but I think there's a really good chance that the bear is playing Spain.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is what happens also when you have a good football team.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: and people are excited to see there's more island games, more and more games where they're the only ones on TV.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that is international games, that's the Sunday night games, the Thursday night, you know, Thanksgiving stuff, those specials, Black Friday game, that kind of stuff, that expect to see the bears get, you know, at the top of the league for those.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I just I really think that they're going to have the Spain game,
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really excited.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a really good international fan base everywhere, but I know we have a really strong Spanish and in Spanish speaking fan base as well.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that'll be really great if they do award that game to Chicago.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you'd like the international series games for the last time.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when it first happened, I was like, and why are they sending the bears somewhere else?
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of like, I mean, look, I don't go to games anyway.
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care to be honest with you.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just like, man, it kind of sucks.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then like you said, there's a huge fan base, and we interact with them a lot on social media, that are over in the UK or in Ireland or in Spain.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like,
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess that kind of is cool for these other fan bases, and then those, like you said, those games, they're shallots, right?
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's a huge money maker average for the league, it's huge to kind of extend the marketing of the league to other countries, which, you know, I mean, it's looks soccer is probably still the most popular sport in the world, but I want to say American football is kind of closing that gap.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's it's it's a growing segment.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, you've been on podcasts everywhere.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been on a Spanish podcast.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: They luckily let me speak English and because my Spanish is limited and rusty at best, but it's all on Piquito.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: See that.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of fun though, and like I said, really great fans, and I'd like talking to international fans because they have just a very different perspective on the game.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was in New Zealand over the fall, who was there for a couple of weeks, and they're obsessed with rugby.
• 3:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, so they were like they're fascinated by like I watched an NFL, but like what I don't understand is.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a lot of like, okay.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we would do that.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand your game at all.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, let's let's just let's be honest there.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that it's it's fun to see international fans get involved and learn the game and I think it also exposes, you know, us to how other cultures take things in and and.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, at some point, I want to go to an international game.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're very hard to tick.
• 4:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very hard to compile.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it would be really fun to be able to do something like that.
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, nothing's official, unless or not, I just strongly think that that's probably where the schedule makers will go, and it seems like that that's becoming more of reality.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, selfishly, you're really quick, selfishly.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it because it's an idiom start.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't get up that early on.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: No weekend is hard, man.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's fun.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, then you got the game done.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can move on with the rest of your day.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's nice.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's hard.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going up early.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, like, on the weekends, I try to sleep in on the weekends as much I can.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the same.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've slept in the past eight o'clock for 20 years.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm a night owl.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So weekends, like, you know, it's I'm up all night.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm up all night during the week as it is, but I have to get up for work.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So on the weekends, I try to sleep in.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So selfishly, I only think that I don't like about the early starts.
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like the small hours of the day.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good writing time early in the morning as well.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: For what it's worth.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know people like to write late at 19, but then I've done that.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, hey, today, today's show.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: What we're going to do.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to catch up on some news.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do some front office stuff, some coaching staff changes.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk some free agencies, some ideas, things that we would like to see.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of lay out.
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're worth thinking and where we would pick and choose of how we would move forward with this roster.
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• 9:07
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• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with the, what's the biggest news of the three departures do you think?
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Ian Cunningham, Theclyn Doyle, or is it her academy?
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think a lot of fans don't only know what Ian Cunningham kind of did.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's famous for his, you know, stopping pulse from trading up for Roman dunes.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, losing Declan Doyle, who's kind of basically Ben John's right hand man.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of gets all the stuff prep for him.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Eric Biennery, man.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I had no idea how intense this guy was before he came to Chicago.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he was a revelation.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He really got that that running back room, you know, going good, Kalmanunga.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, at a great rookie season, John Ray Swift, man.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a different back, right?
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was a different back this year.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would be
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why, I mean, he's it's not like it's like extensively like huge amount.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're paying a decent money, but that's what running back.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go for these days.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's like seven point fourish million.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't let him write out his contract.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's pretty good football player.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure it's hard to say of this group, which is the biggest loss.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, let's just take it at the top then in terms of like organizational structure.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in kind of hand, the assistant general manager gets a promotion.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears number two decision maker, the secondary decision make football decision maker gets a promotion to another organization.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Called a general manager, but we're not sure.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That the bears are going the report is the bears will not receive the compensation picks.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of about it.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stuff that makes it kind of an uncomfortable conversation.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to just distill this this person, you know, huge promotional opportunity to run a football team down to like, well, why aren't the bears getting this getting this compensation.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to like spend at least a little bit of time on it because.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: The, the, the Atlanta Falcons designated Matt Ryan as the primary decision football decision maker and so he that that can only be put on one person in each organization.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not every organization has the same structure and so even though the bears have he and cutting him as their number two secondary football decision maker, the number two in the organization.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: and he could consider this a promotion because he is the general manager and all of the like football general manager things will be taken care of by him.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Falcons have designated Bat Ryan 13 president as the primary football decision maker.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This to me,
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: is a missed application of the rule.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if I were the bears, I would say, I lost my number two to a promotion.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And therefore, I am aggrieved.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in this process, where we're encouraging this type of hiring, this compensation should be awarded to the franchise.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be my argument number one.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: My argument number two is,
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: is in cutting him going to take another promotion to another organization, if he was so offered to be the primary football decision maker to the Falcons intend to think like, yeah, we could lose him to a to a promotion because, you know, somebody else might give him the title of General Manager and the primary football decision maker.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would call absolute BS on that.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: like they're hiring this guy for the long term.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's there until he, you know, if he fails and they fire him, like this is not someone that they expect to then take another step up.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the top of the profession.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so those are the two arguments that I think I would take the legal office and say, you know, the spirit of the rule here, I think really is in our favor and the same award should be made here for the two third round picks that you would make and if he went to a different team.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: because from from from the bear's perspective, it looks the exact same.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And and I just don't see you in kind of taking another job.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another promotion a couple years down the road.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see how that is at all laid out.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that that's my opinion.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the bear should, you know, push the league, then they'll do it quietly if they're going to do it at all, because that's kind of the bear's way.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But but I do think that they should try to fight for this for this compensation because I think the
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the spirit of the rule, you talk about the running rule.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Kyrie Thompson had a great article for Winnie City Graterner last week about it.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, kind of his thoughts on the subject that was just well put by Kyrie.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't checked it out, make sure you go there and read that.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, the spirit of the rule is it's like a trying to advance minorities.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is what you're trying to do.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to kind of, you know, give them an equal playing field.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of everyone to get a shot there.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, it's kind of gets whittled down to the compics, right?
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the average Joe fan, all I care about is goddamn compics.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want the compics for our guy leaving.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's with every other team gets, you know, it's unfair.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But so, so here's my response to that.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look,
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: No one is trying to screw the bears over in the NFL.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The NFL wants the bears to be good.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at the ratings.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bears just did through the entire season.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the playoff ratings.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look at the NFL's Instagram headers.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's Caleb Williams.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: This whole season, he's been kind of up there.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they kind of want the bears to be good.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge market.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're not screwing the bears over.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a weird technicality that how it's structured.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And our guy builds room and had a great tweet about this whole thing the other day.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's comparable from a bear standpoint.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remember a few years back, you heard a lot of bear sphans.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we got a higher a football guy.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Peyton Manning should be the bear's football guy.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: We heard this a lot.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is all over social media.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Talks about a lot of the talk shows, get a football guy there over poles, over the GM or over the organization.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's essentially what the fall comes did.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: They got a football guy Matt Ryan is their football guy he's their president of football like you said not every team is structured the same way so that's his title number one their number two is the GM and kind of him there's no way the bears are going to block that so that wasn't even going to be brought up polls will let his guy go better his career.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's again, it's just an unfortunate technicality the way this the rules laid out where I think quietly the bears will kind of fight this and say, look, you know, like you said, it's a promotion.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Matt Ryan himself said that his GM will be doing GM duties.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not there doing the, he's not dug it into the scouting.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what he was hired for.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think at some point something may happen.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I would not be surprised if it's just not.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or if it is changed, it may be changed the next time, not just for the bears this year, but one thing for sure, there is no way the league is trying to screw the bears.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They want the bears to be good.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They can sneak the bears and direct the draft, fix and think they do that.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, two things that I thought of.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: One, I wrote an article years ago about peanut tellman should be the team president.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I still stand by that.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, I rate, yeah.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he would be amazing at it.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's actually only shown even more in the last few years just how perfect he would be for something like that.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully that's not a, you know, never wrong just early.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe one of those, you know, maybe one of those situations.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I've heard a lot of people make the joke,
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't want to see polls waste those third round picks anyways, and who cares and I say you do want to see what Ben Johnson Ryan polls.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do with those third round picks.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You absolutely want to see that because this is a new regime.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can't have both of us can't say it's a new regime and then do the like, oh, who cares he's going to waste something.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a new regime.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Things are different turn the page.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's deal with tech window.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So a year ago, when Ben Johnson was hired, and then he brought on Declan Doyle this, I don't know how old he is.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's 20, 30, I think.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's going to be in the background.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and so he's a very young guy, you know, spent time with Sean Payton this time with the Hawkeyes, right?
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: everybody's like, oh my, who is this?
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is dumb.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is like, and then a lot of you're like, oh, cares.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a nothing position.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just going to be doing a lot of more admin work than anything.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's just, there's all these explanations for what's going to happen.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's only here for a year.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he got, he got some, I made a joke tweet like that the, the, the stealers always hire young, which they didn't push them, but they don't, they always hire these like young guys in their 30s to take over the team and I was like, oh no, we're going to, yeah, take them to the oil.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And people like took me very seriously and I'm like, guys, he's not ready for a head coaching job.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it does not surprise me that he got looks for an offensive play collar, right?
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he wasn't calling any plays in Chicago.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the next step for someone who was an offensive coordinator would be to go call place.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: The first call that he got to interview was with Philadelphia.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought,
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't jump on that ship.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's a, there's a lot of problems there.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'd, I think I'd worry a little bit good roster, but like I think I would worry that maybe that coaching staff is on shaky footing and, you know, a couple things go wrong and you're, you're, you're quick on the street.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then Baltimore calls and I thought, uh, that if they want him, he, he should take that.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got two time MVP in the Marjax and you've got a new regime that is, is taking over.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: there, you've got defensive-minded coach that's coming in so he's going to let you run the offense.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, that's about as good of an opportunity as you could ever ask for.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that they, you know, interviewed him, they liked him and they offered him the job.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that speaks really well to Declan Doyle.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good luck.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad it's in the AFC, you know, you know, go go those birds, whatever.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it reflects well on Ben Johnson.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That he has taken.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took this guy in his first coaching staff, made him an offensive coordinator, super young guy, so you're going to be my offensive coordinator.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then one year later, he gets a really big, really nice promotion to be the play caller for a team that's going to compete for a deep play out front.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is how you find your guy, right?
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to take a chance on a guy that hadn't been, I mean,
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they could have went the retread route.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ravens could have, but I think they're like, he said, it's a new regime.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why not start fresh, start new, and I think in the guy that look, not only has he worked with Ben Johnson, but he's worked with Sean Payton, right?
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So so so that we're talking about a guy that's been around a couple really good play collars.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure something's kind of rubbed off as far as how we could sequence plays and how we can kind of set things up.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that's in him, you know, he'll get that and
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: coming from Ben Johnson, I think it's, again, it's a, and I know if something as well, he's more of the Sean Peyton tree.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, technically he could be both.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was Ben Johnson's O.C., which is, you know, where you want to go, now your step up is a playcaller.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a good, other coach run a league looking at that spot.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a very covetous spot now, right?
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to be Ben Johnson's right hand, man.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it's not your traditional
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: He will give you a lot of the responsibility of setting up this offense, setting up the game plan week to week, because he's doing the head coaching thing.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's got a, you know, that's a very, very key role he feels and a lot of fans are who cares, you know, who cares who who fills that role.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's important.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ben, Ben leans on that guy for a lot of work.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be interesting to see kind of which stretch they go here when there's some other young guys that had ties to Ben Johnson already off the market.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see, and you know, you've got Sean McVay as a really good example of someone who keeps losing coordinators, you know, and eventually they become head coaches, right?
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got four former offensive coordinators or now head coaches in the league, right?
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, that the joke is like, Oh, you shook Sean McVay's hand.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's let's give you a coaching job.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But,
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's something real in terms of that, like that's a coveted spot, right?
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's like a, you know, a clerkship with a Supreme Court judge or something, like that's like the equivalent of something that's really important that you put on your resume.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I work with this guy, you know, this is really important to, you know, that I can carry forward, and that's some subtractive.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that only continues to fill that coaching staff back up with new ideas, and as much as those guys get from that experience,
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson gets a little bit from from those guys, too, right?
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have ideas.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're fresh.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They see things in a new way and a fresh eyes.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so Ben can continue to learn from those guys, right?
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that it's a really promising start.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then the third one, Eric B.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Enemy, goes back to Kansas City.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do we talk about this, Maggie situation, how Maggie went from offensive coordinator of the chiefs, and they were dreadful this year, that offensive with terrible.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the whole, like, kind of campaign like, oh, Maggie's going to, you know, he's got a good chance of being a head coach again.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as a positive PR, he got an interview, you know, kind of,
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe as if like a little bit of a favor interview to like, you know, for that coaching, they can see intent to see there.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, no, no, Maddag is doing anything.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he's going to be in the league.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to take a year off.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe go to college.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what Madd and Maggie's doing.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's out in Kansas City.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here at the end of me goes back and fills that roll that he once had.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's that's a rebuilt his value and and like you said here at the end of me really got a lot out of this running back room and to the point where we were all very worried.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: even early in the year about what this running back room was going to be able to do and just how far Kalmanunga came, you know, 7th round pick yes, but like at least like mid-round value pick like still he had to you know, prove a lot to be able to get onto the field and have as much production as he did and then getting the best season out of a, you know, veteran like the Andre Swift.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: is really impressive work, so he certainly deserved the promotion back to where he was.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the bear's will miss him.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's a position coach and he hoped that that Ben has an idea of who to replace him with.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The big rumor popped up right away.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Brent Biggs talked about it was Eric's studs fill out of Miami.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's no longer, I think he may be under contract, but since they have a new regime,
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would love that higher because he worked with Mike Medanio and I love Mike Medanio's offenses running schemes are really, really fun to watch, so I think pairing him up.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: with what Ben Johnson's already doing creatively, creatively, I think will really work out good for them.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And but like I said, there's a lot of guys out there that kind of pop in and kind of bring a different perspective.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will lawing who came from Boston, Kyle's work with Bill O'Brien.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has been rumored to be on Bear Staff, a new guy coming in, no role yet set up for him.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's your new O.C.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's going to be a tight-end school to maybe he's your running Mexico.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's worked a lot on different parts of the offense.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of different ways they can go here, but I like the idea of getting in different ideas because Ben Johnson wants to keep growing and learning this offense.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and, and I think the idea of a coach hiring coaches that could fill a lot of different roles is pretty interesting.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think just from like a management perspective, like get the right guys on the bus and then figure out where they sit.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's a that's a pretty good perspective to have.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's what's going on.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just needs to, yeah, I know I want him on my staff.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who else can I get?
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then get all the guys you need, put him in the right position to succeed.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: good stuff there.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's let's move on to the roster.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, every year the bears are going to have to decide who are the guys that they want to keep and who are the guys that they willing to let go.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you put out kind of a round table for the general public to answer
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to kind of go through and give our answers to three questions and we're going to start with this one, thinking about the bears roster in terms of free agents that they have, who would you like to take off the market and I want to make one like challenge to you, is that I think that Kevin Bayard or by art, as you like to call him, I think he's the free square on the bingo chart.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking about it.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that we just say, we're going to, we're going to re-sign Kevin Byrd and just take him off the table.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have to answer somebody other than Byrd.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to go first, my going to go first?
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to go first.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm going to go first.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You put me on a spot with taking, taking the free square from you.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to take Byrd?
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had a feeling you're going to do throw that at me.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I had a backup plan.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So look, I got to this for a long time.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got two guys that I'm thinking of, I'm going to go online, right?
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go for action, Jones, and this is why.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can look, only the bears know how his rehab has gone.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it did not work out.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: His initial rehab, he came back too soon as scenes.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has to not look physically, right?
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He got benched because he wasn't finished with the right, came back, hurt his knee out for the rest of the year.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So only the bears know if he's healthy.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if he's healthy, I think you bring Braxon Jones back, let him compete at left tackle.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you also bring another guy in possibly a comparable level.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, Jones ain't going to get a ton of money.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he had this was his contract year.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a big deal for him because we saw a guy, I think, one of the miners back up tackles.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He got like 20 million.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what?
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you paying this?
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what tackles get in the NFL.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big money.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Jones looking at a huge payday here, but he didn't stay healthy.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think a one-year proof of deal for fraction of Jones let him come back, compete.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: As each pillow, he's not going to be back for a long time.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Jones should be your left
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: at least for the first half of the season for sure.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then if I see can't make it back, you may get the whole year at left tackle.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, hell of a chance to move on.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like, why would you want to leave if you know the offense?
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you feel comfortable with Ben Johnson, you're really comfortable with with with Caleb Williams and you feel comfortable with what you have in your surroundings here.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if there's a good, if it offers in the table, I think that you got your bring back.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that injury does it feel really changed about this off season because otherwise you're like, yep, thanks.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, appreciate your service and you know, good luck in the market and you're going to let him move on and you're probably not even going to think about him as a backup because you're Yeah, you're not going to come back here as a backup.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, situation changed because that injury serious enough that, you know, the reality is, the bears really aren't going to be able to count on us.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It should pillow at all.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: If he comes back and you're able to like ramp up and play some meaningful football, that's great.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think they have to go in with the mindset that he's not playing football for you in 2026.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so because of that, I think that you have to sign somebody.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have the starter on the roster.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's some people out there that said, well, you know,
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we can get a guard and we can make that happen.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That now takes your offensive line from the strength of your football team down to like, I think we can get by and I think the bears are looking to compete for a Super Bowl next year.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be hyperbolic, but I think that that is absolutely the expectation for this team in 2026.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so a Super Bowl roster does not have your, you know, late career, all pro very good, potentially future Hall of Fame guard, filling in the entire year at tackle.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good plan, right?
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be games.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just going to be outmatched physically, not, you know, in any other way, like he's obviously going to have his technique.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, as an amazing football player, but just from like a length perspective and all that kind of stuff, there's going to be defensive ends that would be able to take advantage of him.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas when he's a guard, you're just like this guy's the best in the business.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're just going to link them alone, right?
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not a plan.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, that's not a plan.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: A much better plan is to target somebody like if Braxon is healthy, is to say, let's bring you back for one year deal.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: build your value back up and then you go into the world and you cash in the next year.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that to me, everybody wins in that scenario.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, Braxton seems to like, like the guys, like the team.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's that, you know, locker room video like he's hyped.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He loved being a part of it and, you know, he was still involved.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that, you know, we haven't lost him from like a mental perspective or anything like that.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's still around.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I love that.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did have, I did have that name written down.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down a bunch because I thought,
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of different arguments that I could make and I'd be kind of staring at it for the last hour and I'm going to I'm going to maybe surprise a little bit is this is a cheap one case keynote.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, ace kingdom back in here because I'm not sure that anybody had more fun.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: on their school party, in case Kim did.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he was really good for Caleb.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, absolutely was a huge bonehead mistake but to not have a veteran quarterback on this roster during Caleb Williams' work a year.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that whole situation, but you know, Flucen's staff made a lot of dumb decisions, right?
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this new agenda, no, we need a veteran.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need a guy.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And his pot, yeah, I think he's gonna be a quarterback coach if you want to.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, more and more down the line and so the coaching thing, if that's something that he wanted to do, I'm sure case kingdom has made enough money in his life that he doesn't necessarily need to to coach, but you could see that in him that he kind of want the loves the game wants to be around it and just like the way that he was able to bond with Caleb, I think you absolutely have to prioritize bringing him back because he really worked in that room and like.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems to me like like a guy like case kingdom is no ego and and he's there to better better the team and better Caleb Williams and be his number one fan and and like get get him prepared and it's like I want that back.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's to me, I think that's actually a super high priority even if it's not a super high money spending priority.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, you hear a lot of fans say that the counter to that is, well, I'll just make them manage this and coach, right?
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, so look, if you're a player, you can talk, get advice for a player, definitely been from a coach.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a different relationship there.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think having a peer to peer,
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is what it is with Caleb and with Kase Keenan, I think it's a little better for him.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because then like if the coaches are being a dick, and they're kind of in hard onion now, Kase is there as your buffer, right?
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a player too, right?
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is what he meant by that, you know?
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a different perspective when it's a good and you're getting pointed from up here than it's from an assistant coach.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think someday he will be an assistant coach, seemed like that maybe what's on his path here, but yeah, I'm with you.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: If he can physically still do it,
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: bring him back.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good guy to have.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And look, Beijing's year number two, he's still under contract because that's fine.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I think having that other guy in the room and look, I'm sure he's helping Beijing at time, too, right?
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're kind of they're together.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that's that's going to benefit him in the long run, too.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you don't want to see him play if you're in Chicago.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you ever have to turn turn to Tyson, Beijing, now he has that experience by sitting and learning from
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He really ties the room together last year.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's tied to room together.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the dude's growing.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's move on to our next category.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is bears that we think could potentially be a cut candidate or maybe even a trade candidate.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is always kind of a,
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a ruthless topic to kind of talk through sometimes because you're like, well, I would cut this, you know, and it feels mean, it's not meant to be mean-spirited.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to look at the roster in like a very objective way and say, okay, where this guy's at in his career and where this roster is and where other guys are behind them.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, is there a way for the bears to basically move money from one part of the roster to another to make them a more competitive team moving into 2020 for that 2026 and see if they can be more competitive as a roster overall than they were the previous year.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is not like.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of people come at this, like, let's guys suck.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta put him because he's not good anymore.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if these guys are professional football players, they're really good at their craft.
• 33:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of these guys suck at all.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of these guys are maybe not the right fit for this roster in 2026.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think there's a couple of ways that we can talk about this, but who did you have identified in terms of who you thought was the,
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: best cut candidate or maybe a trade candidate.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it seemed like we kind of talked about Kevin Byrd is the free square and the last category.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Trinidadman is kind of that same fit here.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I think it's a good football player.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, a lot of fans kind of, you know, they all pair at the same negatives about him about when they talk about him.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you really watching a player just kind of that's what you heard someone else say.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of what you say on the line.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he's he's, you know, we got to figure out four picks get in this year.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, his length is obviously a problem for for something to kind of throw around, but you got to measure the production with with the value and I think at that paycheck.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he got to make a move there.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just to make some sense, 15 million dollars you're going to save if you cut him.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's a restructure candidate if you go talk to him.
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if he's still relatively young, I 28 years old.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was drafted at 20.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's been in the league for a long time.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he's still as far as you with these.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's still got that, he's still in his prime, right?
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think is a guy you definitely got to do it.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to address another guy.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think DJ Moore is a guy
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, that last play, right?
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: That sticks in a lot of people's crawl.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they're going to move them.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unless they get wild by an offer.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just got a feeling they're going to keep D.T.M.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: around for one more year, kind of see what happens there.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, look, there's a reason why he was nominated as the, as the, as all, wall trait man of the year, like, if they were upset with him during the season, they could have went another direction.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever, you know, lack of focused things that pop up in his, in his play.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not hurting them to where they didn't want to nominate him for that.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I think maybe they can might want to stick him around one more year.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very well-acted in the locker room for what we've heard.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's good for that room.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He helps the culture.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just has some really stupid plays every now and again on the field where it's like, he just seemed to lose focus.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you know, how do you weigh that with what he does?
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a warrior.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He plays soup pain.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just think he may stick around.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, interesting.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would not be shocked if he's dealt.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to get from him?
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: A fifth from pick and I could not bigger return because of that contract and where he's at and he's not like a true alpha number one.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you got to kind of lower your expectations for a pick and then at that point is it worth moving them for the salary savings for just this kind of a pick.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not so sure it is.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that if I had a bed I would say that they will deal him and I think it's because of one you feel good about Luther Burton.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: coming into your bad health.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a lot of, they're not the same player, but there's a lot of overlap in the skill set.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that in terms of role in the offense, I think that you feel like if I can open up an opportunity to spend money somewhere else which will get to in a minute with what I can save by not having DJ Moore and counting more on
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know passing rule now that they're up to speed and hopefully Rome gets over his injury issue and you know so you kind of feel like the targets might be kind of taking care of between those three guys for you know the lion share there and and so I think that from just like a roster construction standpoint I do think it makes sense to try to move him and try to open up some of that money.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I understand you're probably not going to get a very big pick because you do have a pretty high salary attached to him.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's, you know, now he's more of on the older side of what an NFL player is at this point in this career and I do think that some of those mental lapses are going to really stick in.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: the crawl of Ben Johnson, who needs precision to have this offense work to its maximum capacity, right?
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know you got that one play, but there's a lot of place throughout the year where they're just not quite on the same page and not crisp and maybe not running through the whole play or you know, stepping out while there was a scrambled drill going on like the things that happened
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that when you go back and you evaluate, you know, the week to week stuff and you say, okay, put this behind me.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got a focus on, you know, we're on the Minnesota.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're on the green bed, right?
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just focusing on the next opponent.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you go back and you're evaluating all these players, you're like.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is this something that we can deal with in the future?
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is this something that maybe we think we're better often?
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually do think he's a really good trade candidate.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the money that you would potentially save will push it over the edge because I do think they're going to want to reallocate this roster.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of cuts, I only came up with Edmunds as the obvious fit.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a couple guys that got hurt.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: that maybe you could see some sort of injury settlement or something like that, that's well beyond my understanding of how all that works.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's negotiations and how that would count in terms of dead capital, that kind of stuff.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to speculate on guys that you know, ended their year injured and how that might work out.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those sorts of things might happen, but we'd have to see how that checks, you know, checks out.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would change the numbers that we have available to us in terms of what would be, what would be saved and what would be
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to make a mention about restructuring.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You said restructure a guy like Trimade Edvin's.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears have no dead money on the cap right now.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We mentioned last time, I think, that there's no void years that we know of in any of these contracts or very few if there are.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That just hasn't been a tool that the bears have used.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so they have a very clean cap right now.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I know some people are like, I don't have a ton of money relative to
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Raiders or something like, well, and the Raiders don't have any players either, so yeah, I'm not sure I trade places with them, you know, most of the starting positions, particularly on offense already spoken for and so there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of starters already.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: on this roster, so it's not like they have to go out and rebuild a lot, but if they wanted to open up money, there's a lot of restructures available to them.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jotuni, Jaila Johnson, Jonah Jackson, all the Montess what all those guys have, a lot of money that could be converted into signing bonus and then spread out over a future years with a very simple restructure that would open up a lot of current dollars to spend and attract a free agent.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I wouldn't
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would worry about it.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do the bears are now fully entering a Super Bowl window.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is when you do those things.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if the bear starts doing those things, like that they're signaling to you like, hey, we're pushing chips in, right?
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, unless they have to do that, but if they start doing that, that's really telling you like, hey, we really think we got a chance to make a deeper undexual.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think Ryan pace back in the day, all these weird, cadrescape where he pushed all these four years into the future.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was doing it with a notion that
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't work out, Mitch, Mitch wasn't the guy.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all those void years he pushed forward, thinking that, hey, we're in our window, didn't work, Ryan Poles looking at his roster now, Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think we're in a real window now.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We showed real growth last year under this and Ben Johnson is who Ben Johnson is, you're not going anywhere.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This offense will be intact.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So now let's, like you said, let's push him in.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: work some void years here.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to mention one more guy, and I was kind of looking over the roster, you know, look, we're not talking to huge savings, but I would not be surprised to tire your savings in let go.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He would save you a little over $3 million, which I get not a lot, but, you know, we're looking at guys and kind of saving, you know, some few bucks here and there.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He seemed to kind of fall out of favor with this regime a little bit.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of benched of course early on.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get his job back.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of rotated in a little bit, and then as
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was the guy that seemed to lose some reps there.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, would not be surprised to see him let go.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, he was drafted for the previous regime, so maybe he's just not a good fit.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then what happens with Nishon right?
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you try and figure that out?
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he wants to come.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he is loves Chicago so much and loves working without Harris who is seem to be sticking around now on Chicago.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll make something work.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll try and figure out a way to kind of push some money forward because he just wants to be a bear.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let pro bowler, all those turnovers still, you know, relatively young and it's cleared not a lot of mileage on those on those tires, so maybe you bring him back.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting with what they do it quarterback.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's true.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think I disagree with you.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they will bring Stevenson back Just because he's somewhat cheap and it's just like the end of a rookie contract.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't necessarily think that there's a need to move on from him and I think that somebody's going to throw some money Make sure on right because there's just not enough cords going around.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think just promote like a
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: a number of standpoint, I do think that they're just not even going to mess with that.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's worth the savings.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, if he's like a, he just doesn't show up to camp well and they feel really good about the next nation, right?
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could say them maybe being like a late roster cutter or moving him, you know, for late capital.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, capital but in the spring training man, I'm all over the place.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Baseball mode.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm ready for pitchers and catchers reporting.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, in terms of training camp, I could maybe see something like that happen in the pre-season, but I don't think it's a free agency move.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like you don't have to make that decision anytime soon.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's more or more on that.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I, uh, I, uh, I'd be really interested to see with it with the end up doing here if there's, if there's anything surprising.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, part of this article that you have up on when he's a degree-dired is that you've linked to the top, one of 250 free agents or whatever the heck it is.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I scrolled through it, man.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I was, I was gotten names.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I looked down and all my names are defense events.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: edge defenders.
• 44:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be, I don't be a fun conversation that we have coming up because it's that we pick your pick your flavor.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the other thing we have to recognize when we talk about free agent targets is that so many of these players are going to be taken off the board by resigning with their current team.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these guys don't end up hitting free agency.
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The question was, you know, in terms of top free agent that you want to target and we were focusing on trying to build the defense here.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you going after?
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think trianish would be would be fun.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that age, I'm not sure how much you're going to get, you know, where is that a 31 years old?
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, that's still prime.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: We still is able to produce, but coming off an injury and it's like, is that really guy you want to invest in?
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then you start looking down at another veteran, you know, defense event who has ties with Dennis Allen as well as, as Henderson does and that's Cleo Mack.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that'd be really fun if the bears can bring Mac back.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Look, he doesn't have the same speed off the edge.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He once did, but he always won with other ways.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a power rush or obviously, I mean, he can kind of do is do a lot of that kind of stuff where we're, you know, he doesn't need, you know, that elite quickness off the edge, which, you know, he's 34 now.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think so that's kind of, you know, get past them, but
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be a huge money.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: The charges aren't sure if they want him back, because they got a couple of young adressors there that they want to give more snaps to.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if Mac is at a point in his career where look, I still want to compete for a ring.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to be the man.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can just be a rotational piece.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'd love him back in Chicago.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would love that too.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can get out that little Mac jersey that I bought a few years ago and I can wear it again, that'd be great, you know.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You might be a little big.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was back in my bigger days.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's okay to be a baggy.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The jerseys are bad.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We wear like over like a sweatshirt.
• 46:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of those things.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think a little Mac's a name that I wrote down.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down some numbers that that different sites had projections on.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we can kind of reference that.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: the Trey Hendrickson thing just seems so obvious right like Dennis Allen was the defense of coordinator in New Orleans when he was drafted so his first two years would have been under Dennis Allen they traded him to Cincinnati so I don't know what that deal was like I don't know if you know Dennis Allen had anything to do with that or if you know he still likes the player if there's I don't know what the relationship is but if the relationship is good
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this seems like such an obvious move here that I think that it's it's one of those where I'm just like I'm almost just penciling it in and he's not going back to the bangles like no this was the agreement with him playing this year was that they wouldn't tag him again.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, he's going to be a free agent, he's going to go out of the market.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you say, he's a little older, the projection is one year, $21 million.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he signs for one year.
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he probably is going to try to sign for a couple years here.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the Bears would absolutely want to bring in a guy like that.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: One, he's got familiarity.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been a highly productive player for a long period of time.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fill a role for you in this immediate window that you're looking at before you have to pay Caleb Williams in a couple of years, right?
• 47:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it makes perfect sense.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of these other guys are younger players who need that big contract.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm not sure that I see that necessarily happening.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you mentioned that the charger's having some younger guys Oh, way being one of them.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets resigned by the chargers, and I'll think that's a name that
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was looking at Jalen Phillips as a guy that just had a lot of injury issues, maybe coming out a bit of a discount, but he was such a pain in the butt.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the parents played him against the Eagles.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, this guy is, I've had enough of Jalen Phillips for one day.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That could be an interesting guy.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he is in terms of a fit, but he's a good football player, just as a really struggled to stay healthy.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mac would be so much fun.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think from a legacy standpoint too, like,
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's been with a chargers now for five years and he was with the bears for four and so I you know it's a long time to like leave and then come back, but it'd be cool if you could spend a fifth year in Chicago and kind of equal the chargers you know time period because I do think Kulomack is a really good chance of being a hallfamer and so it'd be nice if he was spent like the
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, at least at least at least.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, not half way because you've got the Raiders career too, right?
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so I think that there's like there's a chance that he can like at least match what he did with the Chargers.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So is that longer by adding an extra year there?
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I think that at one point I had looked him up and and it looked like if he if he had come back last year, because he kind of think a one year deal with the Chargers last year too.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought, oh, maybe he'll come back and that'll like that wasn't going to happen, but this year, maybe this year.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm done with that.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dream on Jones from the Seahawks.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an interesting name.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boy of Muffet.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a younger player.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get paid.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see him leaving the Seahawks.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: One name that I thought was just funny to see on the list was Cam Jordan, because he's just like a Saints legend.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like so I don't don't see cam Jordan leaving and then I was like well, but Dennis Allen coached him from like the majority of his career.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or like a big chunk of his career, I don't know how long he's he's been playing a long time.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the same thing they're going to stay in control.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe cam Jordan wants a shot, you know, late career shot, you know, so I could see maybe, maybe bring him in.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you know, real quick, it's funny we're talking about.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: a guy wanting a late career shot with the Chicago Bears.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we care now, the Bears are in that window, where it's like, yes, you know, this is what the Bears are plus.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good organization now.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've got a better reputation on the league.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you may see some of these guys like man, I want to go on some of the good, better, best locker room stuff.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want that, you know, that may happen this year.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think things are changing.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what we wanted to see.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had one interior defensive line been written down, John Franklin Myers, from the Broncos.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an interesting name, too.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think overall, it has to be an edge player.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you do have to make a significant investment there.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think you need to make a significant investment in the draft as well.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a push a lot of your chips into the defensive line and see if you can get that figured out.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the,
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The back end will be fine.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to sign the guy's back.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the back end will be fine as long as they're healthy.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was really just the story this year with the back end is you just used to had too many injuries.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, hopefully they are able to stay healthy next year and then you add an influx of talent up front and things should be better.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's it.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, again, I think it's Trey Hendricks and it's like kind of this obvious pick.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: If for some reason, it doesn't work out either it's too much money or he gets like this kind of bully away off or somewhere else.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see Mac, I think it'd be just be fun.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the third name I think is at least working into is Jalen Phillips.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: What about a trade?
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You think a lot of buzz about Max Crosby.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all over the place right now.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's just one of them forever.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got the banner ready to rock for Max.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me turn off this timer.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only time we go.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to the max, right?
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, should the bears be aggressive and try to make a trade for Max Crosby?
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he ended the year injured, he's there seems to be a mutual appreciation society between Max Crosby and Caleb Williams.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: They seem to really like going after each other and that bearer's Raiders game.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He seems like a guy that's kind of mad at that organization.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that shows up day one.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a bearer's fan favorite.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, this, it just feels like perfect personality to come in and just take the city of Chicago by storm.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think all of that works.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, do you make the trade and you got to pay him.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So do you make the trade and pay a guy like Max cross me.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you truly believe you're in your window, if you truly believe you've got the guy at quarterback and at coach, yeah, I think that's a deal you make.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the base of the MAC trade all over again, right?
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the bear's made that trade thinking, we're in our window, we got our, we got our guy, we got Maggie and Mitch, what can go wrong, right?
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it went wrong.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But now if you, if you truly believe, I mean, that's when team should make these trades, right?
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why the packers went and got Parsons.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, off season last year.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, look, we're in our window.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go get our guy and they went and got a pass rush.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're the bears and you think you're there, you definitely have to explore it.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: See what that offer would be.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The raiders may be like, look, we're gonna only talk to teams in the NFC whereas market parsons went twice the packers, which is like, you don't really see that happen all the time.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Makes more sense to kind of put them in the other conference so you don't have to deal with them much.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Max is awesome.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He plays a ton of snap, though.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's like, when you watch his career, he's one of those guys that wouldn't rate his run, you got to watch because you're going to see Max prize me.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: way too many snaps and we kind of saw that kind of conceptual this year with so many injuries.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think wherever he ends up going, you got to cut his snaps back a little bit.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he's he wants to be out there at at all times, but you can have your defense of end playing 90% of the snaps.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just that's ridiculous in his day and age.
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just to can happen, you know, scale those back a little bit.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you're you're going to
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it'd be more than that.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think people I mean
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a part.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Parsons is younger, right?
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's so Parsons demanding that trade capital that he did and to go to Green Bay makes sense to me.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't see C. Crosby being quite that.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's similar to the Mac deal.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mac was going into his fifth year Crosby's been around for seven years.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's a little older than Mac was, and I just looked up Mac.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Mac played four years in Oakland.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got a year old up.
• 54:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's got four for four.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: four years in LA.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So right now, it's perfect all four.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's talking about potentially retiring, but it'd be great if he came back to Chicago for at least one year, put him over the edge and then he would have played more than those West Coast teams.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, just following up on that.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I you guys didn't have to run the profile reference.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I looked it up here.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: everybody's well at the right price, right?
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I get that, like I don't want to be a defense center in a weaning.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like, yeah, go do it.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, oh, you want to go get a top player at a premium position, do it.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I would like caution on is that he's been around for seven years.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so he has been in the league for for a long time.
• 55:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: How much longer does he have in that prime?
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And do you think that you could
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: get that or better by trying to invest that in a draft pick.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's the one, I mean, those are the calculations that you have.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I really like the idea of like, we know who he is.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's going to give, you know, 110% because this guy's insane.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's never seen him give up on a play.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just a all day like crazy effort every single play.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's built in this crazy way like he's got these super long arms.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just has to be a pain and he has to block that.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he would just wear you down and frustrate you because you just like won't stop won't stop won't stop right he would be amazing to get him so you can tell me any sort of compensation level and I I'll talk myself into it because I think he's that good if the bears aren't like negotiate against themselves which I know that some people have used them of doing in the past but like if like you know hey they're competitive bids out there to get this guy.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the bears want it.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They beat the best bid.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, okay, cool, great.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They paid market price, let's go for it.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't necessarily take the chance.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll take the chance if we need to.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you take the chance on an unproven player in the draft and it doesn't work out and you just keep doing it that way,
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to getting what you know is going to be a really good player and he's still going to be good for a few years, like he's not seven years in Lee, he's not 12, right?
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this is not the end of his career.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would do it.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, tell me a crazy number, tell me like a crazy compensation package and I'd be like, I could talk myself into that.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think it's going to be near what the Packers had to pay for Parsons, just because it's
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Parsons is a better player.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love Max Cross, but I think he's the most fun player much.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most fun players watching the league, but he's not quite as productive in terms of getting after the quarterback as Parsons is, but he might be just as interesting of an overall player because he plays every aspect of the game well.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he'd be he'd be perfect.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you would slide right into the bears, Montez, sweat, Max, Crosby, Austin, Booker now is your number three coming off the edge.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd be great.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like he said he's, and he's fun.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, with social media these days, you always see all these guys.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, they're talking online.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Caleb liked his post.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, Max liked his post.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a weird thing, but that is so weird.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what that's the society that's over and now that's that's part of media.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, that's that's going to be a story, you know, and and every single time Max has something nice say about Caleb online, it's going to be blown up and he, you know, he wants out.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the Raiders, what are they, they're going to suck this year.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why keep him, you know, they have to make a move here, you're not going to bring them back and have a bad team.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: The raiders should have traded them last year, but they thought they had something going with Pete Carroll with one more year with some vets that they had, they thought they would be able to make some noise and they should have done this last year, then the bearish could have got them last year.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with how it played out because now it makes total sense.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like now like you have proven that the windows open, but also he might have elevated them this year.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there may have been like just a different conversation about this team because they would have been that much better on defense, right?
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, Alas, we'll see what happens here.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's all we got.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you got anything else before you want to get out of here?
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We want an hour, man.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, no game to recap.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We still managed to put an hour in there.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's good timing, I like that.
• 59:23
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• 59:36
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• 59:39
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• 59:43
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• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exciting stuff until next time, bear down.