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- Lucas: So, here’s something that still catches me off guard: people will negotiate the hell out of an external job offer, but when they get an internal transfer, they just say ‘yes’ to whatever terms HR puts in front of them. Luna: Yeah, it’s almost like they forget they have leverage. Or they think it’s bad form to ask. Lucas: Exactly. And the data backs that up. A 2024 study from Payscale found that internal movers earn, on average, 5 to 10 percent less than external hires in the same role at the same level. That’s not a rounding error — on a hundred thousand dollar salary, that’s five to ten thousand dollars a year, every year, compounding. Luna: Right, and internal candidates often accept lower raises or even flat moves because they’re afraid of looking greedy or ungrateful. Lucas: And the company’s HR system is literally designed to pay you less. The internal transfer process often bypasses the full compensation review that an external offer would trigger. There’s no bidding war. No competing offers automatically surfaced. So if you don’t negotiate, you’re leaving money on the table by default. Luna: So what’s the first step? How do you even start that conversation without feeling like you’re overstepping? Lucas: First, you have to shift your mindset. Treat the internal transfer as a new hire situation. You are not ‘moving sideways’ — you are accepting a new role with new responsibilities, and you deserve to be compensated for that. The moment you frame it that way, the conversation changes. Luna: That’s the psychological shift. But practically, what do you actually say? Lucas: Let me give you a concrete example. I worked with a product manager at a large tech company — call it a Fortune 500 hardware and services firm. She was moving from a mid-level PM role in the devices division to a senior PM role in the cloud division. The initial offer was a 7 percent bump, which is standard for an internal move there. She came to me and said, ‘Should I just take it?’ I told her, ‘No — you need to build your case.’ Luna: What did she do? Lucas: She went to Levels.fyi and Glassdoor and pulled the median total compensation for senior PMs at that company — external hires. She also found two job postings from competitors offering similar roles with higher base salary bands. Then she went to her new hiring manager and said, ‘I’m really excited about this role, but the compensation is below market for this level. Here’s the data. I’d like to be within range of what an external hire would get.’ And she asked for a 15 percent increase plus a relocation stipend — because she was moving from one office to another on the other side of the country. Luna: And it worked? Lucas: It did. The hiring manager went back to HR and argued on her behalf. She ended up with a 12 percent base increase and a ten thousand dollar relocation package. Not exactly what she asked for, but close. And the key was that she had data, not just feelings. Luna: That’s great. But not everyone has competing offers or public salary data. What if you’re moving into a niche role where there’s no external benchmark? Lucas: Then you lean on what you uniquely bring as an internal candidate. The number one thing is accelerated ramp time. An external hire usually takes three to six months to get productive — learning the company’s systems, culture, politics. You already know all that. You can start delivering in week one. That’s real value. Luna: So you’re saying you can negotiate on speed to impact. Lucas: Exactly. And cultural fit. You’ve already been vetted by the team in a way an external candidate hasn’t. The hiring manager knows you’re not a flight risk — you’ve already proven you can work here. That reduces their risk, and risk has a price. You can say, ‘Look, I know this role inside out, I’ve already built relationships with stakeholders, and I can hit the ground running. That’s worth something in the compensation package.’ Luna: I like that framing. ‘That’s worth something’ — it’s not demanding, it’s pointing out value. Lucas: Exactly. And if they still push back, you have another card to play: timing. You can ask for a six-month performance review with a guaranteed raise if you hit certain milestones. That way, you’re not capping your upside forever. You’re just deferring it. Luna: So it’s not just about the initial offer. It’s about building in future adjustments. Lucas: Right. And honestly, if you’ve been listening and this episode is making you think about your own situation — maybe you’re in the middle of an internal transfer right now — then I hope this has been helpful. The reason we can keep doing these deep dives without ads or sponsors is that listeners who find value in them sometimes choose to support the show. If that’s you, you can do that at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Yeah, it’s a small way to keep the conversation going and help us reach more people who might benefit from these strategies. Totally optional, but deeply appreciated. Lucas: So back to the negotiation. Another thing internal candidates often miss is benefits. You might be able to negotiate things like a signing bonus, extra vacation days, or even a flexible schedule — things that aren’t tied to base pay and are easier for HR to approve. Luna: Especially signing bonuses. I’ve seen internal movers get five-figure signing bonuses because the hiring manager had budget for it but couldn’t adjust the salary band. Lucas: Exactly. And sometimes the biggest win isn’t money — it’s a title upgrade. If you can’t get the salary you want, ask for a senior title that comes with a higher band. Then in your next external move, that title is your new baseline. Luna: That’s a long-term play. But it works. Lucas: It does. And it’s much easier for a company to adjust a title than to adjust a salary mid-cycle. Titles are free. Well, almost free. But they have real market value. Luna: What about the fear that negotiating will sour the relationship with your new manager? That’s a common concern. Lucas: It’s valid, but in my experience, managers actually respect candidates who negotiate professionally. It signals that you know your worth and that you’ll advocate for yourself — which is a trait they want on their team. The danger is being aggressive or entitled. But if you’re collaborative and data-driven, it strengthens the relationship. Luna: So it’s about tone and preparation. Lucas: Exactly. Let me give you a script. You say: ‘I’m really excited about this opportunity and I want to make sure we set this up for long-term success. Based on my research, the market range for this role is X to Y. Given my experience and the fact that I can ramp faster than an external hire, I’d like to be at the upper end of that range. Can we work together to make that happen?’ Luna: That’s perfect. It’s collaborative, not confrontational. Lucas: And if they say no, you have a backup plan. You ask: ‘What would it take to get to that level in the next six months? Can we set a performance milestone with a guaranteed increase?’ That keeps the door open. Luna: One thing I’d add: make sure you have a written offer letter. Some internal transfers are handled informally, with just a verbal handshake. That’s a trap. You want everything documented. Lucas: Absolutely. And that includes the start date, reporting structure, and any promises about future reviews. If it’s not written down, it didn’t happen. Luna: So, recap: treat it like an external offer, gather market data, leverage your ramp time and cultural fit, negotiate on title and benefits if base salary is stuck, and get everything in writing. Lucas: That’s the playbook. And the last piece of advice I’ll give is this: don’t be afraid to walk away. If the internal move doesn’t come with the compensation or growth you need, you can always stay where you are and keep looking externally. The company isn’t doing you a favor by transferring you — it’s a business decision. Treat it like one. Luna: That’s a strong note to end on. Sometimes the best negotiation move is being willing to say no. Lucas: Exactly. And if you’re listening and you’ve got a success story or a question, we’d love to hear it. Reach out to us on the Fexingo network. For now, that’s it for this episode of The Internal Move Podcast.