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Front Page Special Edition: Jasmine Crockett on Nolan Wells, Karmelo Anthony, Her Future & James Talarico · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Today, I'm sitting down with one of the most recognizable
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Speaker 1: and outspoken voices in American politics. She's an attorney turned
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Speaker 1: congresswoman who has never been afraid to say exactly what
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Speaker 1: she thinks. From congressional hearings to viral moments, Jasmine Crockett
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Speaker 1: has built a following that reaches beyond Washington. But today
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Speaker 1: I want to get beyond the headlines and kind of
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Speaker 1: beyond the politics and get to know Jasmine Crockett. Right, so, welcome, congresswoman.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me today. How are you good?
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Speaker 1: Tired but good?
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Speaker 2: Tired but good?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at least you are in Los Angeles. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is a beautiful day. It's like I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like a hundred or something.
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Speaker 2: It be na beat ahead, but yes it is. It
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Speaker 2: is toasty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is very very toasty out here. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: before we get started, I want to play little okay, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say a name, a topic, and
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Speaker 1: your first reaction.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no thinking. I feel like this is gonna get
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Speaker 2: me in trouble, but go here.
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Speaker 1: Just needed first reaction, that's all, okay, right, all right,
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Speaker 1: here we go. First thing that comes to mind, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump asshole, the Supreme Court full of shit Texas.
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Speaker 2: I would sit home, okay, but I would say potential.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I like that, The Cycle Sphoria Outbreak, shitty.
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Speaker 1: I like that.
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Speaker 2: I like that.
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Speaker 1: The Democratic Party Week, the Republican Party ruthless, James tell
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Speaker 1: Rico interesting, Kim Paxon clown, the rise of the stay
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Speaker 1: at home boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps of the stay at home It is.
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Speaker 1: A new trend that apparently is taking.
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Speaker 2: Over the world. Okay, not of my generation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. Okay. The last thing that made
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Speaker 1: you cry.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I was just watching some on netflicks last night
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Speaker 2: is somebody told me to watch and I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it really did it. I don't remember what it was,
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Speaker 2: but it's a short series and oh, my girl, the
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Speaker 2: Lioness was actually starring in it. I can't think of
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Speaker 2: so so Zoe Zoe Zoey Zoey was starting in it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and she was married and her husband had cancer. It was, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I know you're talking about I've seen that.
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Speaker 3: It was.
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Speaker 1: It's a couple of years, yeah it is.
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Speaker 2: And you know, doctor Anthony.
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Speaker 1: Fauci hero reflecting pool cases.
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Speaker 2: Dropped or dropped incompetent. That's where your biggest hater, oh
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Speaker 2: biggest a long list, uh my biggest maybe Maga itself.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and lastly, finish this sentence.
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Speaker 3: The Democratic Party needs to find its backbone, say that
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Speaker 3: right now. I mean, you can just talk to any regular,
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Speaker 3: regular person walking down the street and they feel as
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Speaker 3: if there's not enough fight within the party, and I
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Speaker 3: would agree. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, Republicans they don't care if they got to
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Speaker 2: break the law to get it done. They're gonna get
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Speaker 2: it done. And I'm not advocating for people to break
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Speaker 2: the law obviously, but it shows you the lengths that
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Speaker 2: they will go to. They also decided that they would
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Speaker 2: elect a thirty four account convicted felon because they stand
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Speaker 2: by their man, and the Democrats, because they may have
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Speaker 2: disagreed on one or two or how many issues, could
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Speaker 2: not stand by their woman who would have made lives better,
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Speaker 2: not only for Maga who was complaining about gas prices,
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Speaker 2: who may be concerned because their loved ones too may
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Speaker 2: end up in this unconstitutional war, or because you got
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Speaker 2: doged and you ain't got no job. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of things that you may have looked in disgust every
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Speaker 2: day knowing that a woman was the one who was
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Speaker 2: the quote unquote man for the job. But you would
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Speaker 2: have been in a better situation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody America would have been the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because the world just suffering because of the inaction
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Speaker 2: of some and just the ignorant, hateful actions of others.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back to that. But I wanted to
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Speaker 1: ask you about you though, because we see you every day,
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Speaker 1: we see you fighting every day. But who is Jasmine
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Speaker 1: Crockett when no one's watching.
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Speaker 2: I'm the girl that loves to find a good show
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Speaker 2: on Netflix and to Netflix and hield or spend time
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Speaker 2: with my girls. I really value spending time with people
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Speaker 2: that knew me before the rest of the world knew
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Speaker 2: my name, the people that believed in me and thought
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Speaker 2: that I was worthy of their friendship before any viral moment.
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Speaker 2: So I like to really spend time with like people
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Speaker 2: that I really know and really know me. The people
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Speaker 2: that I can let my hair down with, the people
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Speaker 2: that there will be no judgment with, the people that
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Speaker 2: will hold all of my secrets. I enjoy spending time
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Speaker 2: with them, and I enjoy traveling the world. I enjoy
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Speaker 2: learning about other cultures, meeting new people. So if I'm
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Speaker 2: not at the spa or at the crib with the homies,
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Speaker 2: then I want to be catching flights. I had a
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Speaker 2: situation one time, and as a politician you definitely have
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Speaker 2: to kind of keep your head on the swibble. And
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Speaker 2: for the most part, I have been so blessed to
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Speaker 2: have staffers that just believe in the work and have
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Speaker 2: never tried to get their two minutes in the limelight
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Speaker 2: and do some crazy stuff or whatever, because reporters are
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Speaker 2: waiting for some nonsense like that. So my circle is
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Speaker 2: quite tight. During the Senate primary, there was stuff that
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Speaker 2: was happening. I was like, that ain't even true, Like
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Speaker 2: that's a lot, like you know what I mean, like
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Speaker 2: because people were so busy trying to penetrate that inner circle.
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Speaker 2: So you know, there were claims that were out there,
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Speaker 2: and of course we had to expand our team, and
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Speaker 2: there were people who you know, would say things and
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Speaker 2: do things. So I'm always just like, all right, are
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Speaker 2: you here because you actually have drunk the kool aid?
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Speaker 2: You believe in the service, you believe in the work
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Speaker 2: they were doing, or do you have some other motivation?
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Speaker 2: And it's sad to like have to live that way,
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Speaker 2: and it's just a lot easier and safer when I'm
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Speaker 2: with the people that I know love me with a title,
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Speaker 2: without a title, with cameras, without cameras, the people that
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Speaker 2: believed that I should be in service because they donate
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Speaker 2: all their money, they knock on the doors, they try
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Speaker 2: to convince others. I really find refuge and just kind
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Speaker 2: of like my village.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely understand that. You know. One
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Speaker 1: thing about you that that I love is that you
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Speaker 1: know you are bigger than politics. I've met people who
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Speaker 1: say I don't do politics and they but they know you.
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Speaker 1: They and it doesn't matter if they're black, white, young, old,
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Speaker 1: they know you. Why do you think that is?
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Speaker 2: I think because nothing about me reads politician, right, And
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Speaker 2: I'm good with that because I hate politics too. I
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Speaker 2: think we all on the same page. I do it
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Speaker 2: out of necessity, and I do it because I do
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Speaker 2: it in a way that is not about looking towards
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Speaker 2: the next election and worried about whether or not I
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Speaker 2: can win, but instead trying to make sure that I
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Speaker 2: can do what we're supposed to do, which is to
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Speaker 2: be a public servant. And you can't serve people that
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Speaker 2: you can't communicate with, and so I've taken the time
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Speaker 2: to understand what it looks like to really just be real.
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Speaker 2: And so many politicians, I'm not trying to say that
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Speaker 2: they're fake, but they have been trained to act a
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Speaker 2: certain way, and the average person does doesn't really believe
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Speaker 2: in the authenticity of the intentions of the average politician
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Speaker 2: or otherwise. So I think for me, because I've been
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Speaker 2: very intentional about it's not just about you know, the
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Speaker 2: political elites. It's about everyone who's being impacted by these
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Speaker 2: policies understanding what's going on. And when I go into committee,
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Speaker 2: I break things down in a way that it doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter who you are, where you come from, how much
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Speaker 2: education you do or don't have, you understand what I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about.
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Speaker 1: And to get into some of the hot topics, I
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Speaker 1: feel like right now, people are so frustrated. Right they
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Speaker 1: are working hard, but they're falling behind. They can't pay
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Speaker 1: for gas, food, groceries. Nothing is that because of Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump's policies. You know, well, he says his policies are working,
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Speaker 1: but clearly they're not because when you listen to him,
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Speaker 1: you hear, oh, you know, the soft market is great,
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Speaker 1: and this is the best America has ever been in
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years. But we can feel that
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Speaker 1: we can't pay for anything right.
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Speaker 2: Now, hoocha. Okay, So I am not going to give
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump as much credit as everyone else probably does. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he is the catalyst for all of the harm that
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Speaker 2: is being inflicted, that's for sure, But we are supposed
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Speaker 2: to live in a democracy and the reality is that
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Speaker 2: he cannot do any of this by himself. And if
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Speaker 2: you err in just believing that it's just Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: then we'll continue to suffer. Especially as we're heading into
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Speaker 2: the midterms. It's important for people to understand that he's
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Speaker 2: only able to do the things that he's doing because
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Speaker 2: the other levers of government have failed because the people
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Speaker 2: and his party have decided to pledge loyalty to him
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Speaker 2: instead of the Constitution or to their constituents that they
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Speaker 2: are supposed to be serving. And so, you know, my
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Speaker 2: deal is, if you like how things are going, vote
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Speaker 2: for a Republican. If you don't like how things are going,
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Speaker 2: vote for a Democrat. Like that's just the bottom line.
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Speaker 2: The Republicans control the House, the Senate as well as
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Speaker 2: the governor well, governor's mansion in Texas for sure. But
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Speaker 2: it's the same thing on the federal level. It's the House,
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Speaker 2: the Senate, and the White House, and it is it
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Speaker 2: is baffling to me that Republicans are running on everything
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Speaker 2: that is going wrong in the country, yet not accepting
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Speaker 2: responsibility for what's going wrong, considering the fact. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's literally like the arsonists is setting us on fire
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Speaker 2: and then saying, but I am also the firefighter. This
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Speaker 2: coming to like make sure that I can save you. Like, no, honey,
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Speaker 2: which one are you? Which side are you on? And
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Speaker 2: it is hard for you to hide behind the opposition
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Speaker 2: when literally there is no opposition because you run everything.
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Speaker 2: And so it's not just Donald Trump and so as
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Speaker 2: some you know Republicans such as Susan Collins in Maine
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Speaker 2: may try to separate herself from him, No, ma'am, No, ma'am,
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Speaker 2: like anybody that co signs the agenda. We know right
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Speaker 2: now he put Todd Blanch up to be the attorney
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Speaker 2: general in this country. But Todd Blanch can't do it
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Speaker 2: just because he put him up. It has to be
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Speaker 2: the Senate that actually confirms him to that post. The
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Speaker 2: man that has absolutely, by all accounts, been responsible for
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Speaker 2: watching the Epstein files and getting in front of those
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Speaker 2: of us that are trying to actually do some semblance
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Speaker 2: of an investigation. He has been an impediment to that.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just that Donald Trump put him up, it
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Speaker 2: was that they confirmed him. Same can be said as
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Speaker 2: relates to DHS and what is happening with immigration. They
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Speaker 2: nominate ahead, he does, but y'all confirm these fools, right,
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Speaker 2: and as killings are taking place on their watch, He's
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Speaker 2: not saying, well, they got to go right, like So,
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Speaker 2: I don't want it to be as simple as it's
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. It is everyone else around him who fails
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Speaker 2: to honor their oath.
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Speaker 1: You know, you run up Todd Blanche, What is your
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Speaker 1: biggest concern about what comes next now that he is
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General of the United States.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my biggest concern is that you gave
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Speaker 2: him a title. That is the title that he submitted for.
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Speaker 2: But when he was going through confirmations, he stated that
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Speaker 2: he is Donald Trump's personal lawyer. And that is a
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Speaker 2: problem for me. That is not the job. You can
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Speaker 2: go and not be paid like the rest of his
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Speaker 2: personal attorneys. Okay, and go and defend and fight him.
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Speaker 2: So I think that we're going to see even more
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Speaker 2: prosecutions that are a waste of resources, a waste of time,
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Speaker 2: and simply about vengeance. I think that we will continue
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Speaker 2: to see divestment of our civil rights divisions, which were
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Speaker 2: absolutely cut out of the Department of Justice. I think
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Speaker 2: that we will continue to see firings of career prosecutors
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Speaker 2: that actually know what to do, and the placement instead
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Speaker 2: of loyalists, and not even party loyalists, but loyalists to
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Speaker 2: Trump and his agenda. And I think that that's just
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Speaker 2: harmful for us in a moment in which we really
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Speaker 2: need serious prosecutors.
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Speaker 4: We need.
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Speaker 2: Law and order to be upheld in a very real way.
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Speaker 2: You brought up the reflecting pools right like you brought
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Speaker 2: that up. And the fact is that an Olympian was prosecuted, Well,
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Speaker 2: y'all had all that smoke for the Olympian. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to need y'all to find some smoke for the President
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Speaker 2: and his cronies that decided to engage in this just
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Speaker 2: so that they could align their pockets in the first place.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they are stealing from the American people in
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Speaker 2: broad daylight. But if you feel like it was so
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Speaker 2: bad that you needed to incarcerate somebody, then go ahead
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Speaker 2: incarce rate who was responsible, as we all know who
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Speaker 2: is responsible now. But you don't want to do that.
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Speaker 2: You don't even want to take the contract away from them, right.
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Speaker 2: So I am just concerned that we still will have,
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Speaker 2: you know, pedophile rings that are running rampant and nothing
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Speaker 2: will happen. I am concerned about the fact that we
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Speaker 2: continue to see these mysterious deaths taking place in places
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Speaker 2: like Mississippi and historically, whether it's Nolan Wells or Tasia
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Speaker 2: or the long list of names that we could go
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Speaker 2: through Sean that are being found hung or otherwise under
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Speaker 2: these mysterious circumstances when it is clear to everyone on
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Speaker 2: the outside that y'all just failing to investigate. We used
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Speaker 2: to rely on the Department of Justice to go in
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Speaker 2: and we don't have that and we won't have that.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Nolan Wells, you know, there are still so
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Speaker 1: many unanswered questions. I know early on they said there
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Speaker 1: was no evidence of foul play. We're still waiting on
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Speaker 1: the state autopsy to come back. But when you put
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Speaker 1: your lawyer hat on in your opinion where this case
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Speaker 1: stands today, what do you think is happening?
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it didn't take this long for
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Speaker 2: an autopsy, I tell you that. Yeah, Like I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, some autopsies take longer than others, depending on
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Speaker 2: how many injuries needs to be evaluating them, that kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff, And definitely depending on how large or small
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Speaker 2: a town is, they sometimes have to ship bodies off
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Speaker 2: to larger cities that kind of stuff. But the fact
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Speaker 2: is that they conducted pretty much everything by the time
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Speaker 2: they sent the body, right, they sent the body for
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Speaker 2: the second autopsy, and that was concluded. And so you
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Speaker 2: only make it worse, like when there's a vacuum where
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Speaker 2: it is very clear that we're missing information. In the
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Speaker 2: amount of time that that vacuum kind of sits there open,
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Speaker 2: it allows for the conspiracy theories to continue to proliferate.
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Speaker 2: So the question is are you not telling us because
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Speaker 2: you don't want to tell us the truth? Because, in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, if you had any information that would exonerate you,
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Speaker 2: the foul play just like you came out real fast,
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Speaker 2: real quickly, in a hurry. I ain't nothing to see here.
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Speaker 2: I think that if you could back that up with
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Speaker 2: the autopsy, you would, but y'all ain't said nothing. And
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Speaker 2: I know that autopsy is done. I know that right.
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Speaker 2: There are things that you know. Again, because of where
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Speaker 2: this is, I'd imagine you typically get labs that are
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Speaker 2: done and that typically does have to be shipped off
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Speaker 2: to determine, you know, what's all in someone's blood exactly,
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Speaker 2: so you know when people are trying to do that,
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Speaker 2: depending on in some labs all the things. I've experienced
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Speaker 2: this because I practiced law, not only in Dallas, but
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Speaker 2: definitely Textra Cana. Dallas has the labs for everything, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of times, whether it was textor can or
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Speaker 2: other small towns, they would have to send stuff off
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Speaker 2: and granted a lot of times there's stuff went to
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Speaker 2: the back burner because they had their own things right,
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Speaker 2: But I know all of this has been done, and
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Speaker 2: usually you won't turn out a report until you have
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Speaker 2: everything back right, including the toxicology, which is usually not
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Speaker 2: done right there at the lab. You have your doctor
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Speaker 2: that is actually evaluating the body and then you're sending
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Speaker 2: off the various bodily fluids and that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: So you know it's done. Yeah, And if it was
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Speaker 2: anything to say, Nope, nobody did anything. I think they
18:31
Speaker 2: would have let it out. Yeah, you know, there are
18:34
Speaker 2: those that want to mischaracterize what the Black Lives Matter
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Speaker 2: movement has been about. But literally, you've had to say
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Speaker 2: black lives matter because whether we're talking about the senseless
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Speaker 2: killings and no one seeking answers, no one seeking any
18:50
Speaker 2: type of accountability, or whether we're talking about just literally
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Speaker 2: not being able to get actual justice as a victim. Right,
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Speaker 2: it seems like prosecutions are easy, quickening in a hurry
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Speaker 2: when it is for certain people. Same thing with you know,
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Speaker 2: there's no way Nolan could have been a white boy
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Speaker 2: out with a bunch of black boys and they would
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Speaker 2: have been under the jail before they figured anything out.
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Speaker 2: Because you are presumed guilty simply because of the skin
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Speaker 2: that God gave you. There's always a presumption that you
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Speaker 2: did something. They don't know what, They wouldn't have any information,
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Speaker 2: but they would have presumed something. While the presumption of
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Speaker 2: innocence seems to only cloak whiteness.
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Speaker 1: You know, another case I wanted to ask you about
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Speaker 1: is out of Texas, Carmelo Anthony.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's appealing.
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Speaker 1: His conviction is thirty five year sentences. His lawyers, they're
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Speaker 1: fighting for a new child trial and challenging the judge,
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Speaker 1: Judge John Roach Junior. What jumps out to you again
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Speaker 1: when you put your lawyer hot about this case? I mean,
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Speaker 1: of course's legal team is handling this pro bono, but
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Speaker 1: when you look at the arguments that they're making, how
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Speaker 1: successful could they be in overturning this thirty five year sentence?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first of all, Carmelo has one of the
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Speaker 2: best teams like out there. Yeah, and I'm not just
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Speaker 2: saying that. I'm saying that because literally two of his
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Speaker 2: lawyers are mine. So so I'm telling you what I know.
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Speaker 2: This isn't me pumping up you know lawyers because we
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Speaker 2: know each other. The lead attorney, Russell Wilson, is my lawyer. Like,
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Speaker 2: if anything happens, I call Russell, Like that is who
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Speaker 2: I call. And frankly, he has been the lawyer for
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Speaker 2: every black lawyer and judge. So whether it is grievances
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Speaker 2: or whatnot that people file, he's the one that handles
20:55
Speaker 2: those for anybody that is smart in the Dallas area
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Speaker 2: to be perfectly on it. So I say all that
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Speaker 2: to say that Russell actually served on the disciplinary panel
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Speaker 2: for lawyers in Texas. So he's very well versed on
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Speaker 2: all the ethics rules and that puts him in a
21:14
Speaker 2: very unique situation as relates to the judge. And so
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Speaker 2: I know that he can go to the judicial canons
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Speaker 2: quicker than anybody else because he knows them because of
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Speaker 2: the position that he had occupied before. Right In addition
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Speaker 2: to that, Russell is board certified in criminal law, which
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Speaker 2: is different than just going and hiring a criminal lawyer.
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Speaker 2: You have to actually sit for a specialized test to
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Speaker 2: actually be able to say that you specialize in criminal law.
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Speaker 2: He has done that. He's been board certified for quite
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Speaker 2: some time. And he also does a pellet work. So
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Speaker 2: this is somebody who isn't just looking at post trial
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Speaker 2: and looking at transcripts. He knows what should have been
21:57
Speaker 2: done because he actually try's cases on the trial level.
22:01
Speaker 2: And that is a very unique position to be in
22:03
Speaker 2: as well, because some lawyers are just trial lawyers like me.
22:07
Speaker 2: I'm not an appellet girl. I've always been a trial
22:10
Speaker 2: girly and I would go through my trials. Any smart
22:14
Speaker 2: trial lawyer has an appellate lawyer either sitting in the
22:17
Speaker 2: courtroom with them or on speed dial to make sure
22:20
Speaker 2: that they can make for a strong record. So Russell
22:25
Speaker 2: is the guy for this moment, and he's going to
22:30
Speaker 2: make the strongest arguments as relates to ineffective assistants a
22:34
Speaker 2: counsel as well. And the easiest way to get a
22:39
Speaker 2: new trial and get another look and get another shot
22:43
Speaker 2: is by throwing your lawyer under the bus. Which is
22:46
Speaker 2: why Russell was always on call for me, right because
22:49
Speaker 2: in criminal law they're like, listen, I need my get
22:51
Speaker 2: out of jail free card, and so you know, y'all
22:54
Speaker 2: can look, I ain't got no I'm clean as a whistle.
22:57
Speaker 2: But part of that is because of Russell, you know.
23:01
Speaker 2: So he understands those things. And so as people were
23:04
Speaker 2: complaining and questioning the lawyers, Russell is that guy. But
23:10
Speaker 2: also the judge make comments after the trial, yes.
23:13
Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the biggest sticking points.
23:14
Speaker 2: That is the thing. And so people need to understand
23:18
Speaker 2: why they're going after the judge because when you are
23:23
Speaker 2: when you go through a trial, a judge is not
23:25
Speaker 2: supposed to appear partial in any way. And most of
23:29
Speaker 2: our judges, any judge who is worth their salt, they
23:33
Speaker 2: don't talk to the media. Okay, when they're in the
23:36
Speaker 2: middle of a trial, they're not talking to the media,
23:37
Speaker 2: they're not doing anything because they don't want to give
23:40
Speaker 2: a get out of jail free card to anybody, no
23:43
Speaker 2: matter what. Right, So he didn't during the actual trial
23:48
Speaker 2: that was taking place. But post trial you have you
23:54
Speaker 2: normally file a motion for new trial, which extends the
23:56
Speaker 2: appellate timeline, and you file a notice of appeal. Okay,
24:00
Speaker 2: and until an appeal has been what we call perfected
24:05
Speaker 2: in the appellate court. That means the record everything from
24:09
Speaker 2: the trans the transcription of the proceedings to all of
24:15
Speaker 2: the filings that the clerk has, the orders, the motions,
24:19
Speaker 2: everything that has to go up, and you have to
24:22
Speaker 2: have your notice of appeal and you got to do
24:24
Speaker 2: a feel things. Yeah, but the point is until it does,
24:28
Speaker 2: jurisdiction technically is still right there with the trial judge. Well,
24:33
Speaker 2: the trial judge was making commentary after the trial, but
24:37
Speaker 2: before it has been perfected in actually on the next
24:39
Speaker 2: level and a motion for new trial that gets decided
24:43
Speaker 2: by the trial judge. So that's the first one that
24:46
Speaker 2: gets to decide, and so you file it to the
24:49
Speaker 2: trial judge. So you still got stuff to do, Bro,
24:52
Speaker 2: and you're talking okay, So I think that that was
24:57
Speaker 2: the smart move on Russell's part. I think if you know,
25:01
Speaker 2: it's a big if, but if the court does what
25:04
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do, then that judge will be recused
25:09
Speaker 2: because he's already shown his hand. And the thing is
25:12
Speaker 2: everybody knows judges may have their own opinions and already
25:15
Speaker 2: be believe in stuff, but once you show your hand,
25:18
Speaker 2: then it's more problematic. And honestly, it would be more
25:23
Speaker 2: helpful to Carmelo if there was a judge who had
25:27
Speaker 2: not seen some of this stuff or not come up
25:31
Speaker 2: with his own perceptions, that had a chance to look
25:36
Speaker 2: at this. So it'll be interesting to see, you said,
25:38
Speaker 2: two lawyers. Yes, so another one of my lawyers, he
25:43
Speaker 2: actually does a ton of federal work, which is great
25:46
Speaker 2: because it's a great setup for if and when they
25:50
Speaker 2: have to do any federal stuff. So that's Gary Bledsoe.
25:56
Speaker 2: Gary Bledsoe is he's a giant in a legend. And
26:01
Speaker 2: Gary actually has been my lawyer on everything redistricting. So
26:08
Speaker 2: as we actually won with a panel that included a
26:14
Speaker 2: Trump appointed judge and another Republican. It was two Republicans
26:19
Speaker 2: and one Democrat on that panel. We went through a
26:22
Speaker 2: very long trial as it relates to redistricting and the
26:26
Speaker 2: lines and that kind of stuff. Gary had been my
26:29
Speaker 2: lawyer for four years because we had been fighting the
26:31
Speaker 2: lines in general. And then when they decided to randomly
26:35
Speaker 2: go through this redistricting, we were already in court, We
26:38
Speaker 2: were already in trial, and they were successful. Yeah, and
26:43
Speaker 2: it was Trump's Supreme Court that decided four days before
26:48
Speaker 2: the filing deadline in Texas that they were going to
26:53
Speaker 2: usurp what took place with those judges, those judges that literally,
26:58
Speaker 2: for weeks on end, had listened to testimony of elected
27:04
Speaker 2: representatives both on the federal and state level, talk through
27:07
Speaker 2: what happened in redistricting before talk through what happened in
27:10
Speaker 2: redistricting this time, things that the Supreme Court never got
27:15
Speaker 2: to hear, and somehow they just decided on a whim
27:20
Speaker 2: that they would overturn it, even though it was an
27:23
Speaker 2: over one hundred page opinion. So Gary blisso is very
27:27
Speaker 2: very skilled, especially when it comes to federal practice.
27:37
Speaker 1: Speaking of redistricting and that whole fight, I wanted to
27:40
Speaker 1: talk about James Tellerco. He was recently on the Breakfast
27:43
Speaker 1: Club and they asked him or he brought up the
27:47
Speaker 1: fact that he's defended you. Actually, we have a clip.
27:50
Speaker 1: We play the clip really quick.
27:52
Speaker 5: Okay, you were at a town hall. I know Keith
27:56
Speaker 5: Edwards came up, Rogue, DNC came up, the folks who
27:58
Speaker 5: were adamant about attack king Jasmine online, and you said
28:02
Speaker 5: that you wanted them to keep Jasmine's name out of
28:04
Speaker 5: their mouths.
28:05
Speaker 2: The primary is over. Do you wish you would have
28:07
Speaker 2: said that sooner?
28:08
Speaker 4: The first day that the congressman got in the race,
28:12
Speaker 4: I put out a video on social media. Send it
28:14
Speaker 4: to our fifty thousand volunteers, send it to our entire
28:18
Speaker 4: campaign staff, every person who worked campaign, and you go
28:21
Speaker 4: back and watch. It was in December, and I said
28:24
Speaker 4: that Congressman Crockett is my friend, she is a leader,
28:27
Speaker 4: and she deserves our utmost respect. And then I kept
28:30
Speaker 4: repeating it throughout the campaign because kept seeing this vitriol
28:34
Speaker 4: on social media and obviously I can't police every single
28:37
Speaker 4: comment section, but I can show leadership.
28:39
Speaker 6: But it does help you campaign, right, Like, I want
28:41
Speaker 6: you to really answer this question. If you saw these
28:43
Speaker 6: holded I guess racial dog whistles that will undermining Jasmine Crockett.
28:48
Speaker 6: It doesn't really be who to step out there and
28:51
Speaker 6: be like, hey, don't do that, because you still want.
28:53
Speaker 4: To win, right Well, so I would disagree because attacks
28:57
Speaker 4: on the congresswoman, I think make it harder for it
29:00
Speaker 4: to win this general election. Like in Texas, there's no
29:03
Speaker 4: way for any one of our communities to win this
29:05
Speaker 4: election alone. And so we need Black Texans to win
29:09
Speaker 4: this race. And then if you know, when we win
29:12
Speaker 4: this race in November, I'll represent the most African Americans
29:15
Speaker 4: of any senator in the country.
29:17
Speaker 6: That was one of the racial dogs was that they
29:19
Speaker 6: said that she wasn't electable, like you could win statewide,
29:21
Speaker 6: but she couldn't.
29:22
Speaker 4: Yep. And I got asked about this on the view
29:24
Speaker 4: on national television and they asked me point blank, like
29:27
Speaker 4: do you think Congressman Crockett is elected by I said absolutely,
29:31
Speaker 4: And I said, you know, if she wins this primary,
29:34
Speaker 4: like I'm going to behind her one thousand percent.
29:35
Speaker 1: What's our relationship now?
29:38
Speaker 4: Obviously the primary was was difficult. We've exchanged some messages.
29:42
Speaker 4: I was blown away by the fact that the morning
29:44
Speaker 4: after the primary, I mean like early the next morning,
29:48
Speaker 4: Congressman Crockett was out there with a statement endorsing me
29:51
Speaker 4: in the entire ticket. If I'm being very honest, I
29:53
Speaker 4: don't know if I if I could have done that.
29:55
Speaker 2: Whus reaction to hearing that, Yeah, I mean, listen, the
29:58
Speaker 2: primary is five months past us. But I swear, you know,
30:03
Speaker 2: I guess it's just more clicks to mention my name,
30:06
Speaker 2: because I don't think in the history of this country
30:10
Speaker 2: we've seen a race where you know, everyone keeps talking
30:16
Speaker 2: about the person that didn't win, but you know, that's
30:20
Speaker 2: where we are. I will say that there are those
30:24
Speaker 2: that believe I have an underground railroad popping off in
30:27
Speaker 2: Texas and that I've been telling all the black folks
30:31
Speaker 2: on the underground railroad, don't do this or don't do that,
30:35
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's so far from the truth. I
30:38
Speaker 2: frankly stopped doing as many TV interviews because I don't
30:43
Speaker 2: want to talk about the race, to be perfectly honest.
30:47
Speaker 2: And the reasons that I don't is because right now
30:51
Speaker 2: people just need to focus on whatever's gonna take to win.
30:54
Speaker 2: But there is a reckoning that this party needs to have.
30:57
Speaker 2: There isn't you know, the racism was very clear, and
31:05
Speaker 2: you know, Angela posed a question and Charlemagne did the
31:09
Speaker 2: follow up because the reality is that there was a
31:14
Speaker 2: coordinated online effort that was taking place that was putting
31:18
Speaker 2: out misinformation, disinformation. Yeah, that's fine, Like there was straight
31:23
Speaker 2: up online bullying, bullshit, and for me, as an elected official,
31:30
Speaker 2: I'm used to you know, all the things. What was
31:35
Speaker 2: happening though, is everyone was watching it, and for Black folk,
31:42
Speaker 2: it is very difficult for them to Like, Black people
31:45
Speaker 2: are not super trusting of people they don't know, especially
31:49
Speaker 2: in politics, and I think that non black candidates or
31:54
Speaker 2: candidates that just aren't as familiar with the Black community
31:57
Speaker 2: don't understand the deep distrust that the black community has
32:02
Speaker 2: for any politician, Democrat or Republican. And you know, the
32:08
Speaker 2: reason in my mind that the clip that angel was
32:12
Speaker 2: about to go into about the town hall, that is
32:17
Speaker 2: a black woman that I've never met in person, but
32:19
Speaker 2: she's very vocal online. And you know, there had been
32:23
Speaker 2: a lot of chatter because it didn't stop with me.
32:27
Speaker 2: In fact, I had to sit down with different Texas
32:32
Speaker 2: creators and apologize because they had never been attacked in
32:37
Speaker 2: their lives until they were being honest about their feelings
32:41
Speaker 2: about me and the race. Then all of a sudden
32:45
Speaker 2: they were being attacked and they're small local like they're
32:48
Speaker 2: small like Texas accounts, and then you got these big
32:51
Speaker 2: national accounts coming after them. There was you know, like
32:56
Speaker 2: a whole caricature that was put out of Lilizabeth Booker,
33:01
Speaker 2: and you know, the NAACP had to get involved, and
33:04
Speaker 2: like that was of that page of rogue DNC who's
33:08
Speaker 2: always on some nonsense and bs and clipping and snipping
33:11
Speaker 2: and doing all of the and all he doing is
33:13
Speaker 2: looking for clips, right, And so you know, saying it
33:18
Speaker 2: now is comfortable. I will say that Abdul Sayid, in
33:24
Speaker 2: the midst of the height of attacks on Hailey Stevens,
33:29
Speaker 2: came out and was very clear about the attacks. I
33:34
Speaker 2: don't need anybody to defend me though, right, So, like you,
33:37
Speaker 2: you got to decide how you run your race or whatever.
33:40
Speaker 2: I will say that that was one part of the equation.
33:44
Speaker 2: The reality is that there was a super pack that
33:47
Speaker 2: was running ads that black people saw as so y'all
33:51
Speaker 2: gonna tell us that this qualified black woman, the one
33:54
Speaker 2: that's already in Congress, is not qualified to go back
33:56
Speaker 2: to the Congress, Right, Like those ads where they spent
34:01
Speaker 2: millions upon millions of dollars and we know that, uh
34:06
Speaker 2: it was one of my opponent's best friends that ran
34:09
Speaker 2: the super pac. That's more so with you know, because
34:13
Speaker 2: not everybody online, like everybody believes everybody's online, but I'm
34:18
Speaker 2: sure you can high at your greeny.
34:20
Speaker 1: The older generation is not right.
34:22
Speaker 2: They're they're not They're not in the midst of the
34:26
Speaker 2: Twitter fights and whatever, like that's not what they're doing.
34:29
Speaker 2: They saw the commercials running, they saw in real time
34:33
Speaker 2: me talking about that same super pac sending out mailers
34:37
Speaker 2: that were darkening my skin intentionally, and that's those are
34:42
Speaker 2: the things that I think, generally speaking, may have caused
34:48
Speaker 2: some problems, and those things were never like even to
34:52
Speaker 2: this day, that's never been addressed about. Like like, you know,
34:56
Speaker 2: I'm against super PACs, and the super fact that is
35:00
Speaker 2: working on behalf of me is also saying that like
35:04
Speaker 2: this black woman who's a lawyer, who's been a state rep,
35:08
Speaker 2: who also is a US Rep, who's been a national
35:11
Speaker 2: co chair on a presidential campaign, who's been an elected
35:17
Speaker 2: Democratic Party chair of a county, who's done all these
35:22
Speaker 2: things that super pack and I'm against super packs, but
35:26
Speaker 2: also that super Pac does not speak for me, because
35:30
Speaker 2: I would never say that if she wins, we lose.
35:33
Speaker 2: I would never say that she's unelectable. Right, But that
35:38
Speaker 2: was the entire thing. All of the editorial boards that
35:42
Speaker 2: were basically white men, they also, you know, somehow, this
35:50
Speaker 2: is the only race where typically the big editorial boards
35:53
Speaker 2: you both go sit down. My opponent was unavailable every
35:56
Speaker 2: time we were called in to sit down together. And
36:00
Speaker 2: I don't know what the conversations were, like privately, separately
36:03
Speaker 2: because normally they have you like in the room together.
36:07
Speaker 2: But somehow those papers were coming out with She's not electable,
36:12
Speaker 2: like those were the things they were saying, and one
36:15
Speaker 2: of the biggest paper in Houston ended up calling me
36:19
Speaker 2: a dog. So, like to be clear, there was a
36:24
Speaker 2: lot and for black people, black people that have followed
36:33
Speaker 2: my career, black people that I've represented, because I've represented
36:38
Speaker 2: historically black districts, whether it's the state level or the
36:42
Speaker 2: federal level, those black people. I'll give you an example,
36:48
Speaker 2: because I was attempting to talk to an elected official,
36:55
Speaker 2: an older black woman who is not online like that,
36:58
Speaker 2: like I don't even know. I'm sure she got a
37:00
Speaker 2: Facebook because you know, the open. I'm sure she got
37:05
Speaker 2: a Facebook, but she's a current sitting elected official, not
37:10
Speaker 2: in my district, not in my area. But one day,
37:16
Speaker 2: probably about a month ago, I was trying to talk
37:18
Speaker 2: to her about a race of some sort, which I've
37:22
Speaker 2: not moved on to the general elections yet, but I
37:24
Speaker 2: was trying to talk to her about a race, and
37:26
Speaker 2: as I was trying to talk to her, She's like,
37:28
Speaker 2: don't talk to me about it, And she thought I
37:29
Speaker 2: was about to talk to her about the Senate race,
37:31
Speaker 2: and she starts going off on me. Now I know
37:33
Speaker 2: her very well. She's been elected to multiple things. She's
37:37
Speaker 2: got family members that have been elected. She was like
37:39
Speaker 2: going off, and she was angry at the thought that
37:44
Speaker 2: I was talking to her about the Senate race and
37:48
Speaker 2: the Senate nominee. And I was like, bro, I'm not
37:52
Speaker 2: I'm not even on the general yet. Like I'm working
37:55
Speaker 2: other stuff, Like I'm going through these primaries because we
37:58
Speaker 2: needed California and now we got it. We needed Stacy
38:02
Speaker 2: to win down in the Virgin Islands so that we
38:04
Speaker 2: have our first black woman governor for sure. This comment
38:07
Speaker 2: like we needed different races. So I've been working on primaries,
38:12
Speaker 2: and she said to me, she said, I will never
38:15
Speaker 2: forget what happened. This is So I'm like, y'all don't
38:21
Speaker 2: understand that it's the attacks on somebody that's very beloved,
38:26
Speaker 2: specifically within the community, because I've been a fighter. So
38:29
Speaker 2: like people believe that there's you know, especially every headline
38:33
Speaker 2: that anybody gets of me where they're asking me, well,
38:36
Speaker 2: Canny win or can this? And that I get that
38:40
Speaker 2: everybody thinks Campacxin is terrible, and he is. He's absolutely trash,
38:44
Speaker 2: right at the same time, he's been elected almost for
38:46
Speaker 2: twenty years in Texas. So if you want to sit
38:48
Speaker 2: there and believe that just because he's a creep that
38:53
Speaker 2: he somehow can't be elected, then you ain't been paying
38:57
Speaker 2: attention because in Texas he can get elected because he's
39:00
Speaker 2: been getting elected. You see what I'm saying. So my
39:04
Speaker 2: deal is, let's go ahead and be honest about the
39:08
Speaker 2: fact that this isn't a cake walk, like y'all needs
39:11
Speaker 2: to be real, and let's also look at how bad
39:14
Speaker 2: polling has been. Polling told y'all Hillary was gonna win,
39:18
Speaker 2: and y'all looked at Donald Trump and said he was
39:20
Speaker 2: trashed and said he couldn't win and what happened. Trash
39:23
Speaker 2: got elected. So I'm not going to sugarcoat. And I
39:27
Speaker 2: would have had the same attitude if I was the
39:30
Speaker 2: nominee of this. Can't just be oh yeah, we got
39:34
Speaker 2: a good poll. You had to get out there and work.
39:36
Speaker 1: You said something about the money too, You said you
39:38
Speaker 1: were watching where the money goes.
39:40
Speaker 2: He's not just rolling but the money. People don't like
39:43
Speaker 2: the truth, right, yeah they don't. And here's the deal.
39:47
Speaker 2: Betto came really close, but Beto snucked them right like
39:53
Speaker 2: they didn't see they didn't see him coming right. They
39:57
Speaker 2: will never chill again, especially with Donald Trump being in
40:02
Speaker 2: the White It was a Donald Trump back last year
40:04
Speaker 2: when Bethel ran. But my deal is definitely James has
40:10
Speaker 2: a financial advantage over cam Paxon. He has about twice
40:15
Speaker 2: as much money. Okay on hand, I think, But the
40:20
Speaker 2: reality is that the National Republicans announced that they were
40:24
Speaker 2: about to spend one hundred million dollars between North Carolina
40:31
Speaker 2: and Georgia. They don't see that they're not letting the
40:36
Speaker 2: biggest Republican state go. You understand that if Texas goes,
40:40
Speaker 2: that means they don't get the White House, right like
40:43
Speaker 2: they have to have Texas and then all these other
40:45
Speaker 2: little red states, right, that is their biggest state. They're
40:48
Speaker 2: not letting that go. So the fact that they're like
40:51
Speaker 2: spending one hundred million dollars between North Carolina and Georgia,
40:55
Speaker 2: two smaller states, you think they wouldn't be spending in
40:59
Speaker 2: Texas if they were nervous, right, So, and at the
41:02
Speaker 2: same time, the National Democrats have not announced a spind
41:07
Speaker 2: in Texas. So I'm like, all right, everybody out here,
41:12
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, yeah, it's happening, but the people
41:15
Speaker 2: on the inside have not made that. The day after
41:19
Speaker 2: Abdul won, not even twenty four hours later, they had
41:24
Speaker 2: a video out for Abdul, right, and it's you know,
41:28
Speaker 2: but they know that we can win Michigan because that's
41:30
Speaker 2: the seat that we currently hold. So I think that
41:34
Speaker 2: Do I think that it's impossible?
41:35
Speaker 1: No?
41:36
Speaker 2: But like, am I looking at them? Am I looking
41:40
Speaker 2: at all these different things? And I'm saying yes, Now,
41:44
Speaker 2: I have been busy around the country on so many
41:48
Speaker 2: other races that I'm unaware of the nitty gritty about
41:52
Speaker 2: what's happening on the ground. Because again, they got snuck
41:56
Speaker 2: by Beto. Right, Beto was creating his own nobody. The
42:00
Speaker 2: restident weren't looking at him either, right, but he almost
42:04
Speaker 2: got them. But he was doing things on the ground.
42:07
Speaker 2: So like, I can't assess that as I'm traveling to
42:10
Speaker 2: Michigan and Missourian all over, right to see is there
42:16
Speaker 2: a ground swell that I can feel that maybe they're
42:19
Speaker 2: not aware of because when you're in DC, you don't
42:21
Speaker 2: know what's happening.
42:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not on the ground exactly. So when
42:25
Speaker 1: he says that he defended you, he wasn't loud enough.
42:28
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying.
42:29
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I mean, I know what video
42:31
Speaker 2: he's talking about. It was when I got into the race.
42:35
Speaker 2: It was, you know, we welcome the congresswoman to the
42:38
Speaker 2: race or whatever. I don't need the day that I
42:42
Speaker 2: got into the race. It wasn't. That's not the that's
42:45
Speaker 2: not when all this stuff popped off. I mean, that's
42:48
Speaker 2: you know. So I mean, and again, it's not so
42:52
Speaker 2: much about the defending. Like I'm a big girl, you
42:55
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like the president comes for me,
42:57
Speaker 2: Like I get people to come from me all the time,
43:00
Speaker 2: So that's not a thing for me. I think that
43:04
Speaker 2: going through the general election, some of the pushbailties getting
43:08
Speaker 2: it ain't about It's not about whether or not I
43:11
Speaker 2: got hurt. It was about people black people, specifically wondering
43:18
Speaker 2: will he fight for me? Because when they came for
43:22
Speaker 2: his former colleague, his friend, we didn't see it. That's
43:26
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, you know what I mean? Like I
43:28
Speaker 2: get attacked relentlessly, that's nothing new. But the attacks were racial,
43:35
Speaker 2: which again I get that all the time, as will right,
43:40
Speaker 2: But I think that when trying to understand why a constituency,
43:48
Speaker 2: there are those that just want to say, well, it's
43:50
Speaker 2: Jasmine's fault, and it's because Jasmine's not out there with
43:54
Speaker 2: him side by side. Yeah, because frankly one seat in
43:59
Speaker 2: the country when I have the ability to influence change
44:02
Speaker 2: and seats all around the country, and frankly Texas Democrats
44:08
Speaker 2: decided that they didn't want or need my Like I
44:11
Speaker 2: applied for a job, I didn't get it. Most people
44:14
Speaker 2: don't apply for the job and then don't get it
44:16
Speaker 2: and then be like, but I'm gonna show up every
44:18
Speaker 2: day and I'm gonna do I'm gonna do this job anyway.
44:21
Speaker 2: Like that's not that Like the things that were said
44:25
Speaker 2: were and this is by people that voted for him
44:28
Speaker 2: as well, said things like, well, we love her, but
44:33
Speaker 2: we're just afraid that she's gonna bring Maga out. Okay, cool,
44:37
Speaker 2: If y'all are afraid that I'm going to now jazz
44:40
Speaker 2: Maga up and cause a problem for us, like then
44:43
Speaker 2: why would you now want me out there? You know
44:44
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like it's like talking out of both
44:47
Speaker 2: sides of your mouth. And in my mind, the best
44:51
Speaker 2: way that I can help the people of Texas is
44:55
Speaker 2: if I go in and I help out on these
44:57
Speaker 2: down ballot races, because typically people rely on the top
45:02
Speaker 2: of the ticket to drag people in. That's the marquee race.
45:05
Speaker 2: That's how you get people to come out. I personally
45:09
Speaker 2: don't feel like the excitement necessarily exists within the black
45:13
Speaker 2: community right right now, Like that's I don't feel like
45:16
Speaker 2: they're excited right But I do have some amazing black
45:20
Speaker 2: candidates that are running for office in some of the
45:22
Speaker 2: largest counties. So if I can introduce black folks to them,
45:27
Speaker 2: that may excite them and get them to the polls.
45:29
Speaker 2: So I'm working backwards. But the reality is that, like
45:33
Speaker 2: I don't know of anybody calling Tom Syer and asking him, Bro,
45:37
Speaker 2: you drop two hundred million dollars in Cali, You're gonna
45:41
Speaker 2: drop some money, you like, make it rain somewhere else, Tom,
45:44
Speaker 2: Like you got it right, like no one else. And
45:46
Speaker 2: so it's also just a double layer of like insult,
45:51
Speaker 2: just kind of the continuous like she gotta go and
45:55
Speaker 2: she gotta do, like nobody can tell me what to do,
45:57
Speaker 2: Like I just have to be a person that actually
46:02
Speaker 2: gives it down, like I ran because I care, and
46:05
Speaker 2: so my carrying doesn't stop because I lost. But it
46:09
Speaker 2: is clear that there were areas that I was very
46:13
Speaker 2: successful in. It was big, major cities. The ones that
46:16
Speaker 2: i'm the ones that I won, are the ones that
46:19
Speaker 2: I'm going back into.
46:20
Speaker 1: Right.
46:21
Speaker 2: So we have Letitia Plumber who's running to be the
46:24
Speaker 2: county judge in Harris County, the largest county in the state.
46:29
Speaker 2: I need to go help Letitia Plumber.
46:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
46:31
Speaker 2: We also have a Lisa Simmons, who is like an
46:33
Speaker 2: aunt to me, who I've known for a very long time,
46:35
Speaker 2: who I endorsed before I got into the race, because
46:38
Speaker 2: I made a decision that I wouldn't be endorsing in
46:41
Speaker 2: the primaries. But I endorsed her before I was in
46:44
Speaker 2: the Senate race. She got forty thousand more votes than
46:47
Speaker 2: the Republican in the primary in Tarrant County. Arrant County
46:51
Speaker 2: is our last large county not to go blue. So
46:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go help Alisa who's running at the top
46:58
Speaker 2: of the ticket. And then we also have Dexter, who's
47:01
Speaker 2: down in Fort benn which is right outside of Harris County,
47:04
Speaker 2: who's running to be the county judge. Again, these are
47:06
Speaker 2: counties that I want. Yeah, so I'm going to go in.
47:10
Speaker 2: But also I have really great black candidates that maybe
47:13
Speaker 2: I need more people to know about, and I need
47:16
Speaker 2: to give my seal of approval to like not like
47:20
Speaker 2: like that, but like other people, but people trust that
47:23
Speaker 2: I don't like pretend like I don't play, Like if
47:25
Speaker 2: I put somebody in front of you, like I've vetted
47:28
Speaker 2: trust what a you can trust that they like are
47:31
Speaker 2: really going to look out for you. So this is
47:33
Speaker 2: my way of helping. But like they want to tell
47:36
Speaker 2: me what to do, they want to tell me how
47:38
Speaker 2: to help, and I'm like, y'all are the same people
47:40
Speaker 2: that haven't been able to figure out how to win
47:41
Speaker 2: Texas in the first place. So like miss me and
47:44
Speaker 2: I'm going to do what I want to do for free.
47:47
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm giving of money raising money to be
47:51
Speaker 2: able to do it. But also these are candidates that
47:54
Speaker 2: I know and I trust and I believe in. And
47:57
Speaker 2: no matter what happens State one, it is necessary to
48:02
Speaker 2: have people that I know will push back on people
48:05
Speaker 2: trying to harm their people, such as the governor or
48:09
Speaker 2: the federal government. Here for some reason, we don't flip
48:11
Speaker 2: the state.
48:12
Speaker 1: Where do things stand between the two of you, now.
48:15
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like we were we were I
48:18
Speaker 2: don't know what people thought. I mean, I mean we
48:22
Speaker 2: worked in the house together, we did and like, but
48:25
Speaker 2: it's not like we sat on the phone like when
48:27
Speaker 2: I talked to you that like, and I talked about
48:29
Speaker 2: my homies that didn't include him, like, I mean, it
48:32
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't like that, Like, it wasn't like we
48:34
Speaker 2: were best buds. In fact, you know, in the house,
48:39
Speaker 2: if we were to describe the caucuses that we subscribed to,
48:44
Speaker 2: I actually started the Progressive Caucus in the state House.
48:47
Speaker 2: He wasn't a member of that, Like, we weren't in
48:49
Speaker 2: the same kind of For people to understand how legislative
48:53
Speaker 2: like stuff works, like we weren't in the same caucuses,
48:56
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I definitely was on the
49:00
Speaker 2: left flank of things, and so like, I can't think
49:05
Speaker 2: of that many people within the caucus that was like
49:07
Speaker 2: I don't like you, Like there was nothing like that.
49:09
Speaker 2: Like we were small but mighty, and that was that.
49:13
Speaker 2: So we know each other, just like every other colleague
49:16
Speaker 2: that I served with in the state House. We all
49:18
Speaker 2: know each other, but like we've never hung out. We
49:21
Speaker 2: didn't hang out before. We probably won't be, you know
49:24
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, I think people have a perception
49:28
Speaker 2: that're like, no, Like I can tell you the people
49:31
Speaker 2: that like I actually hung out with, and I will
49:34
Speaker 2: be honest and tell you that I've never really been
49:36
Speaker 2: one to do a lot of hanging with other politicians.
49:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about in the beginning, you'd like to
49:42
Speaker 1: hang out with people that you know that you're comfortable with.
49:44
Speaker 2: So I don't really like, it's not that that many
49:47
Speaker 2: politicians that I actually like hang with, Like it's like
49:50
Speaker 2: we go to work, and then there are those that
49:52
Speaker 2: it's like, no, you my homie, Like we can actually
49:56
Speaker 2: go we can talk about our personal lives, we can
49:57
Speaker 2: do all those things. Ever done any of that. So
50:01
Speaker 2: it was he.
50:02
Speaker 1: Said that he needs a black vote to be able
50:04
Speaker 1: to win. Do you think he'll get the black vote
50:06
Speaker 1: to be able to win.
50:07
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any Democrat that's running right
50:10
Speaker 2: now that's not gonna get the black votes. Sure, So
50:12
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like there's people that are trying
50:15
Speaker 2: to blame things preemptively on black vote, but like there's
50:20
Speaker 2: the black people are the most loyal part of the
50:24
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. He will absolutely perform better with black people.
50:28
Speaker 2: They don't perform with anybody else. But you know, to
50:33
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, the white vote is the concerning vote
50:36
Speaker 2: specifically in Texas, whether you're a black man, a white woman,
50:40
Speaker 2: or a white man running for the Senate. As I
50:43
Speaker 2: analyze the numbers, we only get three out of ten
50:46
Speaker 2: white votes in Texas as Democrats no matter who you are.
50:51
Speaker 2: So you know, my theory of the case was to
50:57
Speaker 2: run up the black numbers, up the brown numbers because
51:02
Speaker 2: sixty one percent of the state is people of color,
51:05
Speaker 2: But when we're looking at who's not voting, a higher
51:09
Speaker 2: percentage of black and brown people aren't voting. So white
51:13
Speaker 2: people who are voting seven out of ten times for
51:17
Speaker 2: the Republican they are also voting at a higher percentage
51:21
Speaker 2: than everybody else. So it's not how they tell you
51:26
Speaker 2: to run. You know, all of the consultants will tell
51:30
Speaker 2: you you've got to go spend your money trying to
51:32
Speaker 2: get Republicans to convert. And in a state like Texas,
51:36
Speaker 2: being a Republican is a part of your identity, and
51:40
Speaker 2: it's bigger than It's not just part, it is a
51:42
Speaker 2: part of your identity. And knowing that for every dollar
51:47
Speaker 2: that I spend trying to get one of them to convert,
51:51
Speaker 2: I could have just went on holiday black people and
51:53
Speaker 2: nine out of ten times they will go the right way,
51:56
Speaker 2: right or you know, really trying to solidify support within
52:01
Speaker 2: the Latino community, because the Latino community has gone back
52:04
Speaker 2: and forth about who it is that they support Democrats
52:07
Speaker 2: or Republicans in the various elections, So really trying to
52:10
Speaker 2: solidify with them and build coalition and get them to
52:15
Speaker 2: understand that, like, I believe that my fate is tied
52:18
Speaker 2: to yours, So like I'm on the front lines making
52:21
Speaker 2: sure that you are not being targeted simply because of
52:24
Speaker 2: your accent or your color. That sounds familiar to the
52:27
Speaker 2: experience of black folk, right, so, you know that was
52:31
Speaker 2: my theory. That has not been the theory of you know,
52:36
Speaker 2: his initial campaign. Their theory was that they could get
52:42
Speaker 2: white evangelical Christians. And I personally think that that's just
52:49
Speaker 2: a cover for what people say because I don't see
52:55
Speaker 2: white evangelical Christians in the definition of what I know
52:59
Speaker 2: as a Christian wanting to put a thirty four account
53:03
Speaker 2: convicted felon who just happened to have a sexual assault
53:07
Speaker 2: liable finding against him into the white off white house, right, Like,
53:12
Speaker 2: I I don't see that, right, like in my definition
53:16
Speaker 2: of Christian or a guy this guy you know, multiple
53:19
Speaker 2: wives and baby mamas, like I don't see them. Like,
53:22
Speaker 2: so I'm like that's a cover, yeah, right, like in
53:24
Speaker 2: my mind. So I don't really place today, like I don't.
53:29
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's why you know that some
53:32
Speaker 2: of them are voting that way.
53:39
Speaker 1: And I'll end with this. You know your time in
53:42
Speaker 1: Congress is coming to an end. Yeah, Have you allowed
53:45
Speaker 1: yourself to dream about what's next? Or you just yeah,
53:49
Speaker 1: focused on what's in front of me.
53:51
Speaker 2: You know, I'm still doing the work because you know,
53:54
Speaker 2: I'm in until January for sure, and I'm still trying
53:58
Speaker 2: to make sure that we have a majority in the House.
54:03
Speaker 1: You know.
54:04
Speaker 2: And I specifically stayed out of Senate primaries because I
54:08
Speaker 2: didn't want anything to feel anything like what mine felt
54:13
Speaker 2: like as far as the lasting divisions, and you know,
54:21
Speaker 2: for some people, I can be polarizing, yeah, And so
54:25
Speaker 2: I didn't want that to happen because the Senate is
54:27
Speaker 2: so delicate, the numbers are so tight, and so I
54:31
Speaker 2: didn't want to play in any of the Senate primaries.
54:33
Speaker 2: But I will be playing in some of the Senate
54:35
Speaker 2: general elections for sure, especially where there's large constituencies of
54:41
Speaker 2: African Americans, and I'll be looking at the numbers. But
54:44
Speaker 2: you know, Mississippi comes to mind as forty percent of
54:48
Speaker 2: the state is black. Yeah, and so you know, I
54:52
Speaker 2: look at where are the numbers right, Like, where can
54:54
Speaker 2: we really make things happen? So that's for now. But
54:58
Speaker 2: I have officially decided on my talent agents, so I've
55:01
Speaker 2: got them. So I have my agency picked out, and
55:04
Speaker 2: so my agents and my lawyer actually lawyers got to
55:10
Speaker 2: make sure my ethics lawyer is involved as well as
55:12
Speaker 2: my entertainment lawyer. And so they're all about to kind
55:16
Speaker 2: of really start plowing through. That was a very difficult decision.
55:20
Speaker 2: I took a lot of time, thought, prayer to figure
55:24
Speaker 2: that part out. So, you know, we'll see what some
55:28
Speaker 2: of the brainstorming looks like as far as the ideas
55:32
Speaker 2: that they come up with of what what would you
55:34
Speaker 2: like to do? I really want to still be in
55:38
Speaker 2: a space to educate, you know, I think that politically,
55:41
Speaker 2: I'm still a very trusted voice in politics, and we're
55:46
Speaker 2: still in very rough terrain, so definitely, you know, you know,
55:52
Speaker 2: I've been asked on the floor as well as other
55:55
Speaker 2: places if I was going to the view and I'm like, listen,
55:59
Speaker 2: the view they table is kind of fool, that's for sure.
56:03
Speaker 2: But you know, Anna Navarro is there once or twice.
56:08
Speaker 2: You know, she's in and out, so in and out
56:11
Speaker 2: on the view would be cool. I don't really want
56:13
Speaker 2: to do anything. This is a five day a week,
56:15
Speaker 2: so I'm not because I do still want to be
56:18
Speaker 2: able to travel the country and to help out in
56:21
Speaker 2: races and that kind of stuff. We most likely will
56:24
Speaker 2: open a political firm of sorts where we can help
56:27
Speaker 2: to consult and help candidates not just be paying out
56:30
Speaker 2: the wazoo and still losing because some people just make
56:34
Speaker 2: their meal ticket on just doing consulting and all they
56:37
Speaker 2: care about is the bag. They don't care about the
56:40
Speaker 2: end results, and that's not what I want to results
56:43
Speaker 2: driven team that we can help people out. So for
56:47
Speaker 2: sure we'll still be doing that and I'll need flexibility.
56:51
Speaker 2: But you know what, in my opinion made people really
56:55
Speaker 2: be drawn to me was my litigation skills. So the
56:59
Speaker 2: next level is there are law firms that have been
57:01
Speaker 2: wanting to talk to me, but I wanted to get
57:02
Speaker 2: through my talent agents first because we've got to get
57:05
Speaker 2: started on the book and all that kind of stuff.
57:08
Speaker 2: So I absolutely want to do law, though, so I'll
57:13
Speaker 2: start to engage in some of those conversations about kind
57:18
Speaker 2: of how people envision me. There's basically two different visions
57:21
Speaker 2: that people have, so I'll start to try to figure
57:24
Speaker 2: out what fit is really going to work for me.
57:28
Speaker 2: But again, going back to my childhood and doing a
57:31
Speaker 2: lot of things, I'm gonna probably be way busier now
57:36
Speaker 2: because you can't.
57:37
Speaker 1: Just do one thing, you multi task all at the
57:39
Speaker 1: same time. Exactly will we see you in politics again?
57:44
Speaker 2: I do not plan to run for the house again,
57:46
Speaker 2: that's for sure. The way that I describe it is
57:48
Speaker 2: just imagine graduating from like college, and you go out
57:53
Speaker 2: and you start making money, and then somebody's like, go
57:56
Speaker 2: back to school and you got to stop working. Yeah, right,
58:01
Speaker 2: So a lot of people don't understand what we're not
58:05
Speaker 2: allowed to do, especially in looking at this administration, and
58:09
Speaker 2: they just do what they want to do. I'm not
58:11
Speaker 2: that girl. You ain't gonna throw me under the jail.
58:13
Speaker 2: So and some of this just doesn't even make sense, right,
58:17
Speaker 2: Like I discussed on one of my breakfast club interviews
58:20
Speaker 2: one time about the fact that I had a case
58:24
Speaker 2: that it's actually still pending all these years later because
58:27
Speaker 2: civil rights cases can take away too long. And I
58:30
Speaker 2: was like, if it settles today because I'm a member
58:33
Speaker 2: of Congress, even though I worked on it for years
58:36
Speaker 2: leading up, I couldn't get my check. That's the rules.
58:41
Speaker 2: There's nothing nefarious about it. Even if I went to
58:44
Speaker 2: trial and tried the case, I still wouldn't be able
58:49
Speaker 2: to get the money. And so I'm like, that's.
58:51
Speaker 1: Just we see the opposite of that, right, yeah, exactly.
58:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean it is so extreme on what
58:57
Speaker 2: we can't get paid for. So, you know, for me,
59:00
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know that I'm an only
59:02
Speaker 2: child and my parents are aging. My mom and dad
59:06
Speaker 2: divorced when I was fifteen, so my mom has never remarried,
59:10
Speaker 2: and as I'm thinking about putting myself into the best
59:13
Speaker 2: position to be able to help my parents that are aging.
59:17
Speaker 2: I never was going to stay in Congress forever. People
59:20
Speaker 2: don't know, but I was planning for this to be
59:22
Speaker 2: my last run, even if I had been successful in
59:25
Speaker 2: getting to the Senate. For me, it was a matter
59:28
Speaker 2: of let's just break this up. We win. That means
59:31
Speaker 2: we start to get the national investments to really get
59:33
Speaker 2: the infrastructure that we need, because that means that the
59:37
Speaker 2: Republicans never get the White House right like that. It
59:40
Speaker 2: was always bigger than me. It was about let's make
59:43
Speaker 2: a breakthrough. And I would have done one term. I
59:47
Speaker 2: would have been done in six years. And if I
59:50
Speaker 2: didn't run for the Senate, as I was going back
59:52
Speaker 2: and forth, this would have been my last run. It
59:54
Speaker 2: would have been finishing up when Trump finished, but needing
59:59
Speaker 2: to really get out and make some money to be
1:00:01
Speaker 2: able to feel comfortable with the fact that I have
1:00:05
Speaker 2: aging parents and it's just me.
1:00:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I could talk to you all day. We
1:00:10
Speaker 1: are just so grateful for your truth, for your service,
1:00:14
Speaker 1: and I just honestly, I can't even imagine Congress without you,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: you know, I can't even imagine, you know, something happening
1:00:20
Speaker 1: and not hearing your take on it, you know what
1:00:22
Speaker 1: I mean. You've been one of the realest voices that
1:00:26
Speaker 1: we have and that we needed. And as a little
1:00:30
Speaker 1: black girl from Alaska, you know, just seeing you on
1:00:33
Speaker 1: the national stage, it just reminded me of what is possible. So,
1:00:38
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to say thank you and
1:00:41
Speaker 1: how much you'll be missed, and we'll have to leave
1:00:43
Speaker 1: it there, but thank you so much. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett.
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