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Rocky with Justin Golak · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: This is William Forsythe. This is Sly Stallone, and you're
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  Speaker 2: listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we need. We need you doing other people.
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  Speaker 4: That's it, right? That's it, right? You know, Sean Conrad.
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  Speaker 5: This is William Forsythe, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 4: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 6: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor, pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 7: We'll provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 2: You're wrong.
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  Speaker 8: You're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You're wrong. You're wrong.
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  Speaker 9: I'm trying to tell you that as a fighter, pound
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  Speaker 9: for pound. My boy Jimmy Cagney will disintegrate your Sylvester Stallone.
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  Speaker 8: He'll knock his block off. In a street fight, maybe. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I give you that. But not in a movie. Especially
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  Speaker 8: not with today's cinematic advancements. It's technologically impossible.
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 3: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 3: from Gallery K here in Louisville, Kentucky. And joining us
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  Speaker 3: this week, special guest co-host is Justin Golick.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going, everybody?
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  Speaker 3: So, I guess to kind of intro into you, do
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  Speaker 3: you consider your main job comedian at this point? Or
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  Speaker 3: do you still have to like... asterisk it and be
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  Speaker 3: like well i mean i.
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  Speaker 4: Do do other non-comedy related things for money but it.
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  Speaker 3: Is wait a minute it sounds a little i guess
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  Speaker 3: that is kind of and what's the going rate is.
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  Speaker 4: What um more than comedy unfortunately that's why um but
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  Speaker 4: yeah i still consider comedy my main gig at this point.
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  Speaker 3: So i guess how did you originally i mean coming
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  Speaker 3: up i usually with with everybody i kind of start
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  Speaker 3: at the beginning and like what were you into as
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  Speaker 3: a kid so Was it comedy really early with you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird. Two or three years ago, I
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  Speaker 4: was looking through some old stuff. I had one of
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  Speaker 4: those old books where you put your school picture on
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  Speaker 4: the one page, and then on the back of the page,
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  Speaker 4: you fill in some questions and just see how it changes.
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  Speaker 4: From K through 2, it was always baseball player. And
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  Speaker 4: then to grade three, it changed to baseball player or
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  Speaker 4: stand-up comedian. And that was just because someone told me
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  Speaker 4: that was a job. I didn't know that was a job.
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  Speaker 3: How's your baseball at this point?
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  Speaker 4: Not good. I gave up that dream right about high school.
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  Speaker 3: I guess you've made the right decision.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I made a good choice. As bad as this goes,
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  Speaker 4: baseball would have gone worse for me.
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  Speaker 3: Not very, very good to you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I was good, but, like, have you ever done
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  Speaker 4: something where, like, I was good until about high school.
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  Speaker 4: And then I saw people.
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  Speaker 3: You watched everyone else go, oh, that's... I remember.
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  Speaker 4: Watching someone specifically who was like a senior when I
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  Speaker 4: was a freshman. And I was just like, that's a
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  Speaker 4: real person at this thing. And I won't be that
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  Speaker 4: in three years.
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  Speaker 3: I say that about just life, really. I look at
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  Speaker 3: other people and I'm like.
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  Speaker 4: It's not always sports, but I feel like people reach
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  Speaker 4: that with things.
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  Speaker 5: Like you were a talented kid, but then everyone caught
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  Speaker 5: up and surpassed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's like everything... you start shedding. So it's like,
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  Speaker 4: if you're a kid, you got to be so good
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  Speaker 4: to be really good. And then as you go up
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  Speaker 4: and up, you got to be like the top more percentage.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so I feel like I was maybe top 50%,
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  Speaker 4: but once it started paring down, it was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: now I'm not gonna make these cuts.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I still feel like I'm doing that with just
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  Speaker 3: general life.
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  Speaker 4: I look at other people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like that, that's a real person. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm doing, but it ain't that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So was it always Chicago for you?
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  Speaker 4: I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and then I went
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  Speaker 4: to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: You escaped Cleveland.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: As everyone wants to do.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I feel like anytime you grow up in the Midwest,
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  Speaker 4: it's like Chicago's like You either stay where you're from
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  Speaker 4: or you go to Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: Your closest home.
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  Speaker 5: It's our feeder city.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not going to make it to either coast,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, Chicago's pretty damn big.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not bad. So, yeah, I grew up in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 4: I went to Ohio State in Columbus. I lived there
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  Speaker 4: for a couple years after I graduated. And I started
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  Speaker 4: comedy there. And I moved to Chicago about two and
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  Speaker 4: a half, almost three years ago now.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome.
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  Speaker 3: So, at that point, I mean, again, there has such
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  Speaker 3: a comedy history to it there. Is that hard to, again,
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  Speaker 3: is it its own weird little club so it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to kind of break into once you're coming from the outside?
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  Speaker 4: Probably the best thing about it that everyone says and
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  Speaker 4: that people told me before I moved there that I
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  Speaker 4: think is true is The best part about it is
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  Speaker 4: it's got everything a big city scene has, like tons
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  Speaker 4: of shows, tons of open mics, multiple clubs. But there's
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  Speaker 4: not really any industry there. Like there's no TV.
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  Speaker 3: No movie. Yeah, they've got a little of everything.
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  Speaker 4: But in a way that like you can try, you
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  Speaker 4: can work stuff out there and no one's seeing it.
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  Speaker 4: So you can kind of grow there.
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  Speaker 3: There's only a handful of those cities that are so
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  Speaker 3: focused on what you get something like LA, which is
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  Speaker 3: one specific industry or even more so like Nashville. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like you can't, like you can't have a regular job
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  Speaker 3: living there. You know, it's like, so yeah, Chicago is
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  Speaker 3: just sort of a big city with a lot of options.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I feel it's like the best place to
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  Speaker 4: grow and then you can pick a coast later.
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  Speaker 5: Instead of getting crushed immediately yeah swept under the rug.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is too like inside baseball
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  Speaker 4: but I asked a friend when I was living in
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  Speaker 4: Columbus I was like I kind of want to go
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  Speaker 4: to Chicago but I'm thinking about just going right to
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  Speaker 4: New York and he's like what do you want to
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  Speaker 4: do and I was like I want to write and
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  Speaker 4: he was like like just like write more jokes and
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  Speaker 4: like develop another hour and he was like chicago's great
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  Speaker 4: for that new york's great if you're ready to just
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  Speaker 4: go to carolines and do three minutes every night you
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  Speaker 4: know just get this like tight three that you just
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  Speaker 4: do and try to impress people i'm like that sounds
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  Speaker 4: horrific at this point and he's like i wouldn't go
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  Speaker 4: there yet then because that's kind of what it is.
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  Speaker 3: So has it eased its way in like is it
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  Speaker 3: one because i watch it it's funny doing this and
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  Speaker 3: talking to a lot of comics and going to more
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  Speaker 3: and more shows over the years I do start to
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  Speaker 3: just from the outside kind of watch it and you
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  Speaker 3: can see people sort of ease their way into it.
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  Speaker 3: And like, you'll, I'll watch somebody that was like hosting
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  Speaker 3: the show, but they'd only been doing it for like
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  Speaker 3: six months and it felt like they'd only been doing
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  Speaker 3: it like, and they weren't bad. They just didn't feel comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: And then you watch somebody who's been doing it for
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  Speaker 3: like 20 years and it's like effortless. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't, do you still feel yourself kind of getting
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  Speaker 3: into that groove?
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  Speaker 4: Um, in a way, like, Like, both ways. Like, there's
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  Speaker 4: definitely ways where I'm just, like, I feel more confident
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  Speaker 4: than I ever have. But then there's still ways where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to be better. Which is good.
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  Speaker 4: You need that. But I think, yeah, I think without
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  Speaker 4: that second thing, it's boring, right? Yeah, you're just going
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  Speaker 4: to cap off. Again, like, anything in life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of like that there's always times when
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  Speaker 4: I'll get off and I'm like, I need to do
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  Speaker 4: that different. But I do feel more comfortable than I
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  Speaker 4: ever have. Probably, like, the last... I don't know, three-ish years,
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  Speaker 4: I felt good. And even more so this last year.
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  Speaker 4: It's been getting better and better. That's awesome. Which is,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, unlike baseball. That's why I'm still doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Because I'm like, this one I see people, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I could maybe do that. Unlike that time when I
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  Speaker 4: freshman year. You still haven't reached your peak.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you can coast a little longer. You know, sports,
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  Speaker 3: you got a little window, and then you're just an
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  Speaker 3: old man trying to play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can break in your 40s as an artist,
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  Speaker 4: but not as an athlete.
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  Speaker 3: Not normally as a professional athlete.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty rare.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and then, again, for me, it always comes
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  Speaker 3: back to movies. I guess were you always a movie fan?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think, like, I'm 32. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how old you guys are. We look about the same-ish age.
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  Speaker 2: I'm 70.
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  Speaker 4: You seem a little younger.
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  Speaker 3: I'm 25.
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  Speaker 4: Nice. Are we, like, the same-ish age? Okay.
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  Speaker 3: In theory. In theory. Plus 20 or 30.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like a 25-year-old might get this. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: we had cable most of my childhood, maybe around... I
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  Speaker 4: don't remember exactly, but... It was still that kind of
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  Speaker 4: cable where it was like you'd see the same movies
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  Speaker 4: over and over again. Like HBO showed like four movies.
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  Speaker 3: And HBO, not seven HBOs.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and no original programming. So it's like, I think
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  Speaker 4: like it was perfect for like, because as a kid
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  Speaker 4: you don't mind that. You'll watch the same movies over
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  Speaker 4: and over again. So I liked movies.
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  Speaker 3: You don't even think about it, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I liked movies, but I don't know if I have
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  Speaker 4: like a breadth of knowledge like some people. But I'll
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  Speaker 4: be like, oh, I saw that movie like 40 times.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: My problem is is that I forget every single detail
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  Speaker 5: as soon as the movie's over like I I'm very
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  Speaker 5: big picture about it all this is why I make.
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  Speaker 4: You watch them immediately before we talk about it So
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  Speaker 4: like reading comprehension, like some people bet, but you're like
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  Speaker 4: watching comprehension.
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  Speaker 11: Right, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like when someone reads eight pages of book and they're like,
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  Speaker 4: what did I just read?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes that's you, but with movies.
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  Speaker 5: I can binge watch a whole series and I won't
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  Speaker 5: remember the main characters.
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  Speaker 3: See, that's why I don't read. I do remember things
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  Speaker 3: if I'm watching them, but reading is useless to me.
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  Speaker 4: Reading's tough for me too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why we moved into other areas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Reading, books.
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  Speaker 4: There's something for everybody out there, so.
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  Speaker 5: What was like one of the movies that like played
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  Speaker 5: over and over when you were a kid? I have
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  Speaker 5: one in mind.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I remember like a big one. Well, just cause like,
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  Speaker 4: I think we had it on VHS was like, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like I watched, but it was funny. We had
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  Speaker 4: it taped from TV. So I remember I saw it
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  Speaker 4: way later in life and realized there was a few
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  Speaker 4: scenes missing cause they always edited it for time.
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  Speaker 3: Um, so you got like the TBS version.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got, I got TBS version of karate kid
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  Speaker 4: over and over.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Which is a nice tie into this week's episode. So yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Did you have one, though?
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  Speaker 5: Happy Gilmore.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 5: I just watched Happy Gilmore over and over. It was
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  Speaker 5: on all the times, back to back.
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  Speaker 4: That was a big one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. Again, I know what my early
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  Speaker 3: go-tos are, but I'm trying to think of what those
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  Speaker 3: cable repeat. It's a lot of them, though. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I will think back and be like, and this will
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  Speaker 3: get to it a little. There are things that I
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  Speaker 3: remember as just sort of, pop culturally and like i
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: saw it sort of on cable non-stop right right right
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  Speaker 3: but whether or not i like did i sit down
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  Speaker 3: and watch it you know which i kind of did
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  Speaker 3: a lot even when i was younger but like there's
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  Speaker 3: just some movies that like i just know them so
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  Speaker 3: well from sort of being on in the background on
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  Speaker 3: cable non-stop for years on end yeah and yeah there's
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  Speaker 3: quite a few that i will then go back and
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  Speaker 3: look at like i'll i'll think back to vhs days
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  Speaker 3: Or cable. And I'm like, yeah, I know that movie
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  Speaker 3: backwards and forwards, but do I remember like a time
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  Speaker 3: when I was like, I want to watch this? No,
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  Speaker 3: it was just sort of there and on and in,
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  Speaker 3: in my home nonstop.
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  Speaker 4: So I also had like a weird thing. Like I
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  Speaker 4: saw Ghostbusters two. probably like 50 times before i saw
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  Speaker 4: the first one interesting because like someone i think my
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: next door neighbor owned it and she would bring it
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  Speaker 4: over and we just watch it it's i have a
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  Speaker 4: history of that actually the movie we're going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about i don't want to spoil it i'll give you
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  Speaker 4: the host the true host the but i i saw
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  Speaker 4: two of the sequels probably like Almost 100 times a
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  Speaker 4: piece before I saw the original movie. I didn't see
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  Speaker 4: the original movie until I was probably in middle school.
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  Speaker 3: Not in that order, but yeah, two of them fall
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  Speaker 3: into that thing I just described a minute ago. So
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  Speaker 3: we'll get back to that. But yeah, I think that's
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  Speaker 3: part of it. I think we just sort of... We're immersed. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I think it is part of why I ended up
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  Speaker 3: the way I am now. It's like, had I been
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  Speaker 3: immersed in other things nonstop, I might be doing that now,
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  Speaker 3: but I jam around about movies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Hey, whatever works.
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  Speaker 12: It's what I do.
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  Speaker 3: Well, do we want to roll into the movie then?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 3: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 11: His name is Sylvester Stallone. He's the star of a
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  Speaker 11: new film called Rocky. He's been described as tough, Handsome, talented, sexy, sensitive, dynamic, brilliant.
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  Speaker 11: He's been compared to Nicholson, De Niro and Brando, but
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  Speaker 11: he is Rocky. He's the man who could be loved
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  Speaker 11: by only one woman because somehow she.
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  Speaker 2: Gets beneath the pain.
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  Speaker 11: He's every nobody who ever needed somebody.
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  Speaker 7: Rocky, do you believe that America is the land of opportunity?
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  Speaker 6: I'll break both your arms so they don't wipe you.
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  Speaker 11: He's every man who ever settled for something less.
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  Speaker 9: What about my pride, Nick?
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  Speaker 4: At least you had a pride. I ain't had no pride.
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  Speaker 13: I ain't had nothing.
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  Speaker 3: How would he get that? How would he get that? Terrific.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he could be a heartbreaker.
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  Speaker 6: He'll walk down the street breaking hearts the way you're looking.
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  Speaker 8: Very sharp.
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  Speaker 2: He's the man who never had a chance until now.
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  Speaker 11: Rocky, his whole life was a million to one shot.
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  Speaker 11: His name is Sylvester Stallone, but you will always remember.
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  Speaker 4: Him as Rocky.
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  Speaker 3: So, for our official rundown here, let's see. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to vary it a little because I ran across
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  Speaker 3: something the other day. It was pretty special. So this
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  Speaker 3: week's Sofa Theater feature is Rocky. The year is 1976.
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  Speaker 3: The director is John G. Alvinson. And normally I'll read
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  Speaker 3: the IMDb breakdown here, which is always terrible anyway. So instead,
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  Speaker 3: after we... This is weird. After I decided... okay, we
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  Speaker 3: need to do this episode, and you and I kind
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  Speaker 3: of touched base and went, all right, what do we
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  Speaker 3: want to talk about? We decided on this movie, and
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  Speaker 3: then immediately that day, I ran across this.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, I own that. That's so crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Synchronicity.
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  Speaker 3: For those of you at home, I have the novelization
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  Speaker 3: of Rocky. And it's not even by Stallone. He didn't
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: pull a Lucas and do his own book, which he
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: did in the very beginning there.
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  Speaker 4: I believe he writes the sequels. I have one through four,
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  Speaker 4: which they novelized one through four. I'm a huge fan.
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  Speaker 4: It's the only thing I geek out about. Novelization?
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  Speaker 3: Or just Rocky.
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  Speaker 4: It's like my Star Wars.
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  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: Which is weird because it doesn't have that type of
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  Speaker 4: following like Star Wars, so I usually have no one
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  Speaker 4: to geek out with.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it does, but it's usually, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say like the Star Wars fan base, and even
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  Speaker 3: like most movies that are like sci-fi or fantasy or horror,
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  Speaker 3: any sort of sub-genre has like a fan base that
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  Speaker 3: you can kind of just connect with and you all
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  Speaker 3: kind of know you're on the same page. Rocky is
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  Speaker 3: so like sort of normal guy. I don't think.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: It has a convention. One convention. Maybe I'll start it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I think you can do that. You got to go
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: to Philly, obviously. But yeah, you can do that. So yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: instead of the actual IMDb, I like it's got a
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: little breakdown in the cover of the book here. So
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: let's read that. Again, books and reading.
• 16:33
  Speaker 12: Good luck to me.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Here's your ringside seat to the bloodiest bicentennial in history.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: The place Philadelphia, the stakes, the 1976 World Heavyweight Crown,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: the contenders. I like this. This is obviously dated. black
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: champ Apollo Creed, who spouts poetry at the press and
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: throws dynamite at his opponents, and challenger Rocky Balboa, the
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Italian stallion, a small-time guy with big-time guts who yearns
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: to be a hero just once. I mean, if that
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't sell, you're right there in the front of the book.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know what does, but yes, this is the
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: novelization based on the screenplay by Stallone, but then written
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: by Julia Sorrell. So I don't know what Julia's doing
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: these days, but I thought this was pretty damn fancy.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: He should have started the convention.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: He should have started this book. Stallone or Julie, uh,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I guess it's, uh, female.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: So do we want to begin at the very beginning?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Because this is one of those that I was saying, I,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: as you said that I was almost like, cause we
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: were like, okay, let's talk about, oh, Rocky. And I'm like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: where do I begin? Because I know two of the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: middle ones are, way too well because those were the
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: ones on cable in the middle and then i was
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: like i know at some point i've seen the first
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: one but i don't really remember when and how specific
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: i remember everything and so i was like okay let's
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: go with that one because i want to revisit it
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: it's very different going back and re-watching it now having
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: not seen it in years and then especially knowing the
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: franchise as well as i do as it goes on
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: it's like it's weird looking back at its And it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: like infancy because it's so different than what it becomes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: But then it kind of needs to.
• 18:17
  Speaker 12: Be, too.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: It's a weird franchise where each one is almost like
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: a standalone property, but connected.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: And it's... on a trajectory that kind of needs to happen.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Like I, it is one of those, like people like
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: by the third one, people are already making fun. Like
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: the joke is in airplane, making fun of them, making
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: too many sequels.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: By the third one at that point. So it is
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: like for years, people were like, Oh my God, why
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: don't they just quit? Like, why do they keep doing this?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, the more we, yeah, well I'm like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: but you need, I think you would need at least
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: five to actually get a real story arc of this care.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Like if you just stopped it at this one, I'm like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: you're kind of missing the potential of telling what needs
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: to happen to this character because we see him when
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: he's nobody.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And then watching when we get to two and he's
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sort of finding his way to actual like superstardom. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: then you see the excess that sets in by the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: third one to the point that he starts kind of
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: losing himself in it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: And then the fourth one is sort of this redemption
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and going back to the basics of how to... And
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: then by the fifth one, it's just like, okay, my
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: career's kind of over now. What do I do? And
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: then we beat two more out of it. So, I mean,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: we've maybe still gone a little further. Although Creed's pretty
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: damn impressive. But they still found something original and kind
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: of different to do with that character that far into
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the run of it. But, yeah, going back and re-watching,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: it's very different. I don't know. Do you want to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: approach it from... Because I guess you've seen it many
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: more times in between.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Probably. the most times uh yeah i don't know i
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: i saw three and four both those were my two
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: dozens of times which i mean i think i saw
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: it the first time when i was probably like four
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: so i just feel like i think three is the
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: first one i saw but i watched them both in
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: tandem around that age And I think that's why I
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: got so into it. Those are much more attuned to
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: a child's sensibilities. They're both about 80 minutes long. It's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: like they both have a lot of fights.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: They're very flashy, too, where one and two are not
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: One and two, you got to wait like two hours
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: for one fight. This one, you got a Hulk Hogan
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: fight in like act one.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Immediately.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: That's act one is a Hulk Hogan fight. And then
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: a first Clubber Lang fight and then another Clubber Lang
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: fight spattered with training in between.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And then we get into Ruskies and some sort of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: crazy machinery and drugs.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: The fourth one is pretty much just montages from the
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: previous Rockies and training and fighting.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: So again, it's like, if you're.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Poor, you're like, yay.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: And kind of already starts to be repetitive because to me,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it's almost the exact same scenario of what goes on
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the third one. but it just sort of twists it
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit. And now we're working with different characters,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: but like it hits the same beats as the third one.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Again, it's a lot of like, how can we make
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: him win in an interesting way? And then we'll work
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: backwards from that. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Which again, it's just maybe a screenwriting plan at that point.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, this franchise is making money. People now
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: know who I am. I don't need to let this die.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: how do I make a fourth win and who do
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: we not like right now?
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: Russia.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Let's work in.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Four is definitely probably the biggest albatross of the whole. Five,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: they always say, which I agree is the worst, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: it's actually the most like in canon. It's just poorly executed.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Four is almost like Almost like they... It's like almost like...
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Like they gave it to like a
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: third party. Like they just outsourced the property. Which is
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: weird because Stallone wrote, directed, and starred.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: So it's super connected. But it almost seems like they
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: just like lent it out to someone. Like, here you
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: can have fun with these characters, but then you gotta
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: give it back to us. It also.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And this is one from watching all these different movies
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and talking about them over the years. You start to
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: see the industry change because of the time it takes
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: place in.
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: Totally.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And I say that so much about 80s movies.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: People want to write off, like, MTV, but I'm like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: music video culture completely revolutionized filmmaking, like, to the point
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: where people are like, oh, we can do this kind
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: of stuff? And, like, so, like, you watch, like, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: see it sort of set in in 3. 3 has
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: got the rockin' soundtrack already, so I'm like, they kind of, like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: made use of the video, but it wasn't tied to
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: it that much. 4 just became a music video. Over
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and over again. Like, it literally... Like, the part with
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: him driving, I think, was the video. Like, they did
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: not change it. They took that, like, three and a
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: half minute clip, ran it on MTV all day long.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: So it's like.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: By the fourth one, it is just sort of, like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: immersed in the 80s so much that it becomes an
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: MTV video at that point. Which, again, it's pretty damn fun.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: But it's a very different... creature than this very first.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: One yeah i mean the first one's i mean the
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: first one won the academy award yeah so you go
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: from like an academy award to yeah like i mean
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: three to me three feels like fan fiction is what
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: i always say because it's like to me that's exactly
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: what makes fan fiction interesting right is that like they
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: do things that you'd almost think well we can't do
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: that for like logistical reasons but it would be cool
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: where it's like Let's pull things from one universe and
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: put it in another universe. And let's, these people that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: would never get along, now they're friends. And that's like,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Apollo's now training Rocky. And except like Hulk Hogan's in it.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: He's not playing Hulk Hogan. He's playing Thunderlips. But still,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: it's like, there's wrestling now? That just seems like a
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: five-year-old being like, he wrestles now. And them just being like, okay.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I appreciate them just going for it. Being like, we're
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: not going to let these logistical loopholes stand in our
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: way of making the movie we want to make.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Which also as like not a huge wrestling fan but
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: i liked it i always argue that the thunder lips
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: persona is a way more interesting wrestling character than hulk
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: hogan's actual just i'm a real american very standard.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Thing maybe as interesting as his actual life because that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: a little more i guess it's a little more true
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: to form yeah a little more racy and interesting for
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: some people i i tuned out at this point but
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: yeah at least there's something going on in his real
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: life where Yeah, he was a little too squeaky clean. Like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I remember as a kid, again, he was the good guy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: You were supposed to kind of like him. But looking back,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, he is relatively boring. You know, as you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: look at people like Rowdy Roddy Piper, and you're like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: all right, that guy, he's a bastard. And you kind
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: of got to like him, right? I'm like, he's entertaining
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: every second he's on there. But I don't know, I think, again,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: we're sidetracking into the sequels, but just, I feel like
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: more than anything, though, I feel like the third one
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: is necessary. Especially, and I'll touch back on it in
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: this one, but... because it really does show us because
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: we're dealing with professional sports. And it's like, when you
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: get to that level, like it really does kind of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: show what you have to become. Like, I feel like he,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: he needs to get to that for the, at least
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to have a story arc from there, it gets sillier
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in the next couple, I guess. But I think one
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: through three, like tells a pretty realistic story of like
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: being a nobody and, fighting your way kind of into
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: a point where you can actually be a contender. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: then like, okay, what happens when you're this kid from
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Philly and now they're throwing millions of dollars at you
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and what, I mean, obviously you're going to be a
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: life of excess, but then like what happens when, because
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of that, you start, you know, kind of getting lazy
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and you lose it. And like, it is sort of
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: a weird little like arc all on its own right
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: there that I think one through three tells like a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: pretty realistic story of, becoming a very successful sports figure
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and not knowing how to deal with it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I think that's why it ends up working well as
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: a movie. Cause for all it's bombast in production. The
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: story is actually pretty decent. Not only do you have him,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: but then you have this Clubber Lang character who's basically
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: being like, what do you do when now what made
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: you you is coming after you? Now you've got a
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: guy that feels like he's never been respected and he
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: wants his shot. Now how do you fight you? How
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: do you get back to the old you who's the
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: only one that can beat essentially new you coming after you?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I don't think I realized until watching
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the first one again. And I'm like, well, it's just
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: mirroring him, like Clubber Lang, right? working out in his
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: basement you know when when rocky's doing a photo shoot
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: on a treadmill you know i'm like that's exactly what's
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: going on with him and apollo in this first one
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: and like you don't know it at the time but
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: yeah it's like that's that's definitely what they're kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: tapping into in this first one so i guess to
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: sort of refocus on the first one there's i do
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: we want to comment that the very first thing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: We see is jesus yeah jesus close up and fade
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: back i was like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if that's supposed to be
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: as overwhelmingly like overpowering as it kind of is. There
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: is a weird like side thing I just read today
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: of the like a religious tie into it, which again,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe is because Stallone kind of put a
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff on the wall. And supposedly there's a
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: picture of I think it's like St. Matthew being chosen
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: by Jesus. It's like one of the weird little paintings
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: on his like pinned up to the wall there. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: it's like him being taken out of obscurity and chosen
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: by God to move into greatness, which is sort of
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the Apollo of Apollo and God. So, I mean, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: guess there's, yeah, if you want to reach kind of
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: deep and find religious overtones, I guess.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: There's a little of that. Sure, he gets the shit
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: beat out of him for Philly's vices.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, then he comes back three movies later.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: It's really interesting hearing about the sequels as someone who
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: has only seen the first one and only saw it
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: last night.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, did you just watch it
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for this podcast?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: That was one of the other reasons I liked bringing
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: you in. I was like, normally you have good stuff anyway,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: but being completely disconnected from all of this stuff.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Except for pop culture stuff.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Which, again, mine is so roundabout. It's like I've got
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: half of it that's just what you pick up normally
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: from pop culture, and then so much of it is
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: me watching it on cable again, so I've got this
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: weird conglomeration of all of it. But to be able
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to kind of look at it totally disconnected or from
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: what you know from just having things thrown at you.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Because that's the thing, too. Looking at it, I kept going, okay,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and now it's time for this scene. And it's like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I do remember so many of the scenes because they
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: constantly still play them on TV. Or so many of
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: them are now just mimicked in other movies. Either straight
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: out made fun of kind of things or... Just every
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: sports movie that came after it kind of stole from
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: the ideas of what's going on. So it is sort
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: of weird trying to go back to the beginning before
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: it gets referenced in everything in the world.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I actually did also watch it last night, even
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: though I'd seen it a bunch. I was like, I'm
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: going to watch it again. So I'm refreshed. And yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: the exact thought I had was I was like, you
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: know why these movies are so good? It's because it
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: really is like a collection of scenes. And so like
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: you have these like standalone moments that kind of build together.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: So I think that's how it sticks in your memory
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: is even if you forget, maybe you could go back
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: and be like, oh, I kind of forgot about that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Or I kind of forgot about this. Like you remember
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: like five things from each movie.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: And even your general, probably just person probably just knows
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: at least one or two scenes from each movie. Cause
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: like you said, just from like, oh yeah, that was
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: like in a commercial. Or I remember seeing that at
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: my brother's. play sometime like they've just seen it it's
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: very like the way it's shot is very like iconic
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like the writing is very iconic like it's a lot
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: of like like I said when you watch it as
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: a whole sometimes maybe that can be the most I
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: guess like I don't know just like overtly like you
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: know like a bunch of like those office signs as
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: dialogue you know just like you can overcome but like
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: it works like I remember watching and like it always
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: hits me even though I've seen it a hundred times
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: like that scene when he's yelling at mickey uh before
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: he offers to train him uh like really early in
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the movie and he says my life stinks yeah he's
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: like before that he's in the gym he's like you
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: became some second reign loan shark and he's like it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: a living and he's like it's a waste of life
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and i'm like that's such a good line yeah so
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and but it's like so it's like that'll stick with
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: you just the way they kind of write it that
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it's just like a lot of good lines a lot
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: of like good shots like him running Against the water and,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: you know, the stairs, obviously. Like, the stairs. Like, they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: just like, okay, this is a thing everyone will do
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: forever now.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: If you don't know about the movie. I'm interested in
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: what you thought since it was your first time seeing it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I probably didn't understand almost any of the dialogue
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: for the first 20 minutes. I could not make anything out,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: but I was still getting the gist.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Just because of his thing?
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: His garbliness and just his awkwardness, like his awkward presence
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: and his awkward everything. I was like, your body language
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: and what you're saying do not match up almost ever.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: So it was kind of hard to understand what he
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: was saying for the first little bit.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I was kind of excited to see that because I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: so used to the... again, the Rocky three and four,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like way more polished and respected by everyone. And like the, the,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: the version of him that has become like the pop
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: culture icon. But going back to this first one, I'm like,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: he is so not what he probably even should be like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: even like watching him deal with, with the, with Adrian.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, normally any guy from the neighborhood who was
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: trying to hook up with his girl probably would just
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: be a jackass. And we'll just be trying to sleep
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: with her. And like, He's so heartfelt about it and
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: is such a.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: But still very pushy.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, pushy, but... When Adrian's in.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: The apartment for the first time, I was like crawling
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: in my skin.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: But she's equally as weird and awkward. So it's like,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's not as bad because she's not
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: creeped out in a way that any normal person would
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: be because she's not normal either.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was just a shut-in.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I was surprised watching that now because it is, like
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I said, you always feel like if you watch something
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: from the past... There's always bound to be something that's like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: how did this get through? But I think what saves
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: it is he says, I'm going to kiss you and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: you don't have to kiss me back if you don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: want to. And then it's clear that he gives her
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: a little kiss on the cheek and then she's into it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Which I feel like gives the viewer the, like you said,
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: even though he's being a little pushy. she's consenting to.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: This yeah yeah every step of the way it was
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: just like good job yeah yeah totally it wasn't just
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: like grab her by the back of my neck and
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: yeah yeah and she won on her.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: He he kept like offering and then she went up
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: there with him i'm like well again she's sort of
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: okay with all of this because as much as she
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: pretends like she's sort of not into anybody like he's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: shown her so much affection now it's ridiculous yeah so
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: like again i i think i was kind of taken
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: with how like awkward he was and.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: How yeah it was kind of more realistic of a
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: person to me like.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: And like not not again sort of unusual because if
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: you were writing this character other than stallone like if
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you sat down and some hacky writers just sat down
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: he'd be a big burly dude and he'd act like
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: a bit and i'm like that is not at all
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: what this guy comes off like like even to the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: point of like he doesn't want to break anybody's thumbs
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: like he's always like so nice that it's like i
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: i kind of found that refreshing i'm like i would
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: expect this guy to be cookie cutter you know testosterone
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: jackass and like he's never that like at every turn
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: he makes a different choice i guess as the writer
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: and as the performance goes on and i'm like it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: kind of really interesting to watch from that aspect, but
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I guess go on with the, I got sidetracked tangents
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: as we were saying. Yeah. That whole thing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's, I think that's, what's kind of interesting
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: about the first one. Cause like we now know what
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: it has become. And like, even probably someone watching it
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: for the first time, like, you know, at least the general,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: like there are six more of these. Whereas like the
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: people watching it in real time are just like, this
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: is a movie that's out now and I'm going to
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: watch it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: But I literally don't know any, like, I know that
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Russia is in the fourth one. I know about that,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: but I don't know anything about the plot of any
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: of them. To me, you know, Rocky lost. And then
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: the movie ends and that's it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: So you might think that he just always loses.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Did you know that was coming
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: from pop culture?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I did know that he lost.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: But I was still like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Because yeah, that is sometimes like most people I think
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: if you ask like, oh, he won.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah. I think people... Because I did that too.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I remember like thinking back, I think I was mixing
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: up stuff in the set. Because one and two were
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: kind of similar except he's a little further along and
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: then there's the winning versus the losing. So I mean,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: one and two I think... kind of have gelled in
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: people's mind as their own like it's just one big
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: movie there so i think by the end it's like
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: oh yeah and then he wins well i.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Think yeah that way it gels and i think the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: second way it gels is just like it's a great
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: sports movie what do 95 of great sport movies have
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: in common and they win underdog wins yeah um i
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: well that's what i was meaning not even that you've
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: not seen the other ones but i guess it's just
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: like Now that we know what happens, it's like, I
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: think why one stands out is because it's essentially an
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: origin story.
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: But you didn't know that if you didn't know it
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: was going to be sequels. You didn't know that. But
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: now that there's a whole thing of sequels, you're like, oh,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: this is his Batman Begins. This is like how he
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: gets his powers.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Instead of just being Batman. Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: So.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the other thing that I thought was... Again,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I was trying to find new takes. Because I'm like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I've seen this a bunch of times, but I want
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: to bring interesting things to this podcast. And I was like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: you know what the coolest thing I think about the
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: first one is? Is that every one of the main
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: characters is a loser. And they almost... Like, Pauly always calls...
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: uh uh adrian a loser like just straight up like
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: you're a loser he is a total loser mickey is
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: a has-been loser rocky's the biggest loser and they all
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: elevate through this one moment to lose they lose and
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: they all lose but they lose the right way and
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: i think like that's almost like a better message to
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: give the general public because it's not like you have
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: to be the poorest person ever and then be Bill Gates.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: It's like, no, you're just better than your neighborhood or
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: better than your circumstances just by not having that attitude. Like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: he lost like a winner. So it's like, you don't
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: always have to win. You don't have to become a
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: millionaire for your life to be successful. You just have
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: to do better than the people around you who probably
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: just have a shitty attitude.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the whole community rallied around him.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, totally, yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the whole community rallied around him and the
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: whole community was so invested in it that it did
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: feel like Even though I knew he was going to lose,
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: it was kind of, like, very frustrating to see, like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: all these people, like, yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Finally somebody for us.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: And I could not believe that there was nothing after he... Like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I thought there would be, like, 20 more minutes of
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: seeing how, you know, they recovered and everything. It was just, like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: he lost. He didn't really care. He just wanted Adrian.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: And then the credits rolled.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Well, and, like, I heard, I think, an interview with Stallone.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And now I
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: can't help but notice it when I watch it. But
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: he said... That he ended the movie when he did
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: because he noticed like the frame they stop it on.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: If you go one more frame, like his head's kind
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: of coming up and then it kind of dips down.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: And so he's like, he's like, he thinks that the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: moment it ends on is the highest moment of this
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: character's life. Like he has the woman he loves. He
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: just made it all 15 rounds. And now it just
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: starts going down a little bit. Like now he has
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: to go home and his life continues, blah, blah, blah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: So he's like, he's like, I want it to end
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: at like the highest point of this guy's life. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is kind of interesting.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: It's funny that you went sort of the same place.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Like that's what I came here to specifically talk about
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: was that thing. It's like, to me, going back into it,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: you expect it to be, okay, it's a boxing movie.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: And then over the years, a lot of people have
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: been like, well, really, it's kind of a love story
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: more than it is a boxing movie. And I'm like, okay, Yes,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: but I still feel like those are two and three.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I was watching it again this time. I'm like, this
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: is just about dealing with not being where you want
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: to be in life. And they're all at that stage.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: They all are dealing with this... Especially, and the one
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: that got to me is, like, it also becomes about age. And, like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't think that. This is so early in, like, his, but, like, even, like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: in the real world, when he's writing this movie, he's, like, 29. Oh, yeah. So, like,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: so much of this is kind of Stallone, like. That's
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: pretty fucking late to be an actor. You're getting into, like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: to wait for your big break at 29 in Hollywood is, like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: damn near unheard of. I mean, now we're getting a
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: little more. People are kind of coming into it a
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: little later. But especially back in the day, like, by 19,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: if you weren't a superstar, you probably weren't going to be.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, there's... times when that's not true but
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: for the industry as a whole it's like if you
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: don't come into it young you're also gonna get spit
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: out of it pretty young so it's like for somebody
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: to drag on all the way through their 20s and
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: still not real I mean he turned up in some
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: movies you know I'm a huge fan of Death Race
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: 2000 so I think that might be his finest role
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: but but no I mean like just the fact that
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: like he struggled as much as he did in the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: real world and then to watch this rocky character come
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: along and like Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Athlete and you're like wow this is not okay so
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: then you see all these other people that he comes
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: in contact with and like she's damn near the same
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: age yeah and has barely left her house you know
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it's like she deals with puppies better than humans and
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that's the entirety of her life and and paulie is
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: just a asshole in this like he really like again
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: i think i remembered him more from sequels where he
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: becomes just sort of a lovable curmudgeon you know but
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: like he's a dick.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: He's throwing a goddamn turkey out the window you know
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: how long it takes for that to cook that's what
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: i'm saying i'm like that's.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Probably the hardest scene to watch i agree yeah i
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: think of that every time.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like you don't look like you're missing too many
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: meals i can't believe you threw out food buddy yeah
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: like that seems unlikely too but yeah i was like
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the two or three like that scene he's just so
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: terrible to her And the drunken baseball bat scene, I'm like, okay,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: now he's just fucking violent. Like, it's hard to watch
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: him in general because he's not even really that lovable
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: at this point. Like, you see that there's still heart there. Like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: he is kind of a good person at his very core,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: but he's such a jackass and he's so hardened and
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: bitter at this point and drunk half the time that, like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: But again, it's his way of dealing with the fact
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: that he's kind of a loser. Like he looks way
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: older than them and he's still nowhere and like working
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: at the packing plant that he spends every day trying
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to get out of. Every time he sees Rocky, he's like, hey,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: can you give me a job? Hey, like I'm like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: if you're so desperate to get away from that place
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and you still can't do it, I mean, that's. like
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: everything is so sad when you stop and look at
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: this and especially factoring mickey in i mean like has
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: been and still like has been 50 years ago you
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: know and so he's been dragging on for 50 years
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: never ever getting close to having any level of success
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: like he did when he was a kid and i'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: like this is overpoweringly like depressing if you want to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: take it that way but i think that's the amazing
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: part of this movie is it's, it is written so
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that it is inspirational in its own way. And everybody
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: is kind of like, maybe because of these personal interactions,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: maybe because maybe Rocky is the touchstone in this. And
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: he's like, everybody that comes in contact with him kind
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: of gets into his little dream. And like, they all
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: start to improve their lives too. But it is really interesting.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Like watching how everybody is just at, at, living this
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: horrible like version of their life and aware of it
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and they call each other out for it and it's
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: like i don't know that part was really kind of
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: like surprising because i did not remember any of that
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: being there i remember all the standard boxing stuff but
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: like the the level of like just dealing with I
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: don't want to be a bum.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: That is the running theme of this movie. Even to
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: the point of the end. The end isn't, it's not, again,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: everybody would kind of like think about, oh yeah, Rocky,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: it's about him being a big superstar. And I'm like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: he doesn't even care about winning.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: All he wants to do is go the distance. Like
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: that is the only thing that is important to him
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: is lasting the entire fight.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: That is winning. Because like to him, he's like, I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: want to do something. He's like, it's like no one's
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: ever gone the distance. So he's like, I just want
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to do something no one's done. Yeah. Cause then that
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: means I'm special. Like I don't need to win to
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: be special. I just need to do something that no
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: one's done. Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: It's like you're saying.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Especially like no one from around here. Cause I don't
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: want to be another bum from the neighborhood.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And sort of proving himself to himself more than anything. Again,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you notice he's not really into the media at that point.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Like he doesn't really care about the money. Like as
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: much as he needs it, he's obviously broke, but like
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: he doesn't really seem affected by that either. He just
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: wants to prove to himself and, kind of to his
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: dad we barely touch on that but there's a lot
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: of like that's what's going on there that like he's
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: not that bum that everybody has said that he was
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: for the last 30 years of his life so I
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: don't know that that's sort of like overwhelming going back
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: and rewatching this is how is how like it is
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: about that to me more than anything and Like the
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: romance part is really kind of sweet and I do
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: like that. But I still feel like that's secondary. And
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the boxing that it's supposed to be is like third
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: on the list. It's way down there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely like a coming of age story for
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: people in their 30s.
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Which I guess nowadays seems kind of like, kind of.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen that a lot now. Most of
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: them star Paul Rudd, but like, you know, but like
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: that was kind of the first one to do that
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: about here's 30 year olds figuring it out, you know?
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: At this point you're, yeah. If you haven't already figured
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: it out 10 years ago, you're kind of a loser.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: So the fact that you're still trying to get your
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: shit together is like, it is kind of amazing. And like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I do like, again, touching on the father thing, I
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: will almost give it credit and maybe it's his writing,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: but like the fact that they really don't hit you
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: over the head with any of that. It's like, that's that,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: that was one of the, like, there's two like amazing
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: scenes that are kind of understated. And the first one
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: is just him standing there at the mirror, looking at
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: that picture and And, like, there's nobody else there. There's
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: nobody to talk to. He doesn't say a word. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: you already, like, you're like, okay, well, this is the
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: story of Rocky. Him looking in the mirror and dealing
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: with whatever went on in the past with him as
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: that little kid on the side. I'm like, that's the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: reason he's done everything up to this point. That's the
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: reason he's fighting to not be a bum. Like, everything
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: is contained in that one little shot of him staring
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: in the mirror.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: And the other, like, the amazing one is him before
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the fight when he goes into the lay down with
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Adrian and he's just like, I don't think I can
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: do it. And, like, that performance, like, again, you can
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: question all you want about Stallone as an actor, but, like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: watch that scene.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Like, he's amazing. My defense of Stallone is that he's
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: not a bad actor. He just has no range. But
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: if you put him in his range, he can do fine.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: He can play Stallone really well. and it's the lone
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: adjacent characters he.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: He knows yeah well i mean even the the other
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: one i will always go to and it's much later
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: in his life i think in cop land he's great.
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: I love cop land no one likes cop land i
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: love cop land and i need to i need to
• 45:32
  Speaker 13: re-watch it so we need to do another episode just
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: on cop land so i can watch it again but
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: it again i think it is him dealing with.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's very similar maybe it's if Rocky hadn't won
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: or gone the distance or made it to the end
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: this is him 30 years later getting a crappy security
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: guard job he's kind of in that same I'm a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: loser and I'm much older now and I still kind
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: of want to redeem myself for all these years and
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: prove that I'm not a loser it's again not the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: furthest thing from the Rocky Stallone performance but Again, that's
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: a great performance that he never really gets much credit for.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: They talk about him like he gets credit for putting
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: on the weight, which people do. But they don't really
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: talk about it. It's not the best movie, but I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: think it's super underrated.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and mostly his performance. The other stuff is
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: a little standard cop stuff. A lot of the other
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: stuff going on, it's not bad. It's good performances along.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: The way, but.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: The only thing that really stood out to me was
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that character and his version of that character. I think
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: it elevates the whole rest of the movie. So again,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I think you can get really good stuff out of him.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: It's just, I feel like he got kind of lazy
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: there too. Oh, totally. Again, mirroring the Rocky story, by
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: the time he hits the excess years, it's like, don't
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: get me wrong, the other thing I've watched more than
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I ever have needed to is Cobra.
• 47:00
  Speaker 12: Cobra's so good.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: God, I love Cobra. It is not a good movie
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: at all. I've fully admitted to myself, but I'm like,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care. It is so damn entertaining. and ridiculous
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: and over the top and silly at times.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Over the top was one of those movies.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: It's another ridiculous over the top movie literally but yes
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: i mean there's several times where he's just like i
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: don't care i want to do this like cobra is
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: a good dude.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Do you know oh did you watch they made it
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: doc because that's a canon film Did you watch that
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: documentary on Netflix about canon?
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: About the crazy brothers that directed all this?
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: He got paid like a ton of money for that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: It was something where they gave him like an op
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: because he was a huge star. So they're like, we'll
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: give you, you know, $ 40 million just to option your
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: next picture.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: When nobody was getting that kind of money.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Right. And like full direct, like full creative control. And
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: he's like, all right, I'm going to take your $ 40
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: million and the movie I'm choosing, we're doing arm wrestling.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: They're like, Okay.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I hope you turn your hat around.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: That'll save this movie. Hope there's some sort of contraption
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: in your big rig so you can train while you drive.
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: God, that movie's so ridiculous.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: It's so crazy. It's so crazy.
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: I'll fight for love. I'll prove to you I got
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: the moves like no one else.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Boy, she's a fool.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: She's telling lies and talking jive. She can go to hell.
• 48:54
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• 48:57
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• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Now, tell me, how do you make money?
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: I knock people down.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You mean like a prize fighter? No, they're pickup fights.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: The money's made on bets.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: What does it feel like to knock somebody down?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: It makes me feel a hell of a lot better
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: than it does him.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: 1933, America had hit the skids.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: People were out of work and out of luck.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Third refill cost a nickel.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Life was as tough as a cheap steak.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Suppose you've been down the long, hard road. It hasn't.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: It was hard times.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: I got a husband in jail, no job, and no prospects.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I don't look past the next bend in the road.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: A man had to live by his wits.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Well, my man's just starting out. It's good, but I
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: have to get long odds.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: What kind of odds are you talking about?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Five to one. Three to one. or by his fists.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Columbia Pictures presents Hard Times, starring Charles Bronson as Cheney,
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: a drifter. When I get enough change in my pocket,
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I'm going.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: A loner. Are you going to stay the night? Not
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: this time.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: A man who spoke soft.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I barely know you. Yeah, but would you like to?
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And hit hard.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: James Coburn as Speed, a born con man.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: 50-50 in all scratch bets and expenses.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: All side bets, I keep 75%.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: That's how it works.
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: Who can make a fortune in a day.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I propose a toast to the best man I know, me.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: And lose it in a minute.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I'm flat broke. I need some money fast. What the
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: hell are you doing?
• 51:16
  Speaker 12: You don't want no trouble.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: Just you pay your debts.
• 51:21
  Speaker 11: Speed was the hustler.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: It was too damned easy. There ain't no rules about
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: that except who wins.
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: Change was the hitter.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: You ever get scared when you do work? I don't
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: think about it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Together, they just couldn't be beat.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: You give us our damn money now.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: You want that money, take it. Now I got the gun.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think you want to use it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: That's one way.
• 51:50
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• 51:53
  Speaker 6: Charles Bronson, James Colburn, Jill Ireland, and Strother Martin.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: They're a knockout.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Are answered in the movies. And now, on with the show.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Knockin' you out.
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: Like Rocky Balboa Drown you in a flood deeper than
• 54:02
  Speaker 10: Noah Knockin' you out like Rocky Balboa Drown you in
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: a flood who.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Even thought it's weird that like i'm sure you could
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: look back at any decade and maybe find little things
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: but for me 80s is always the decade to be like, man,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: everything had its moment in the sun. Kind of. Like,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: you know, arm wrestling had its 15 minutes of fame
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: where everyone was like, arm wrestling's the thing. We're going
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: to have a movie about it. ESPN2' s going to show
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: the tournaments. It's going to be hot for like a
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: whole month.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. We didn't have near as much
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: thrown at us either. So it's like, I think you
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: could coast for a year on like, I'm realizing it's
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: pretty cool. Yeah. Where now it's like, you got maybe
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: 15 minutes and people have moved. Not even that half
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: the time. Like people now can't even finish typing their
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: text about how stupid something is before they're watching something
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: else stupid that they want to make fun of.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: So it's like, we're so ADHD at this point. We're
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: so like, we can't focus on anything at this point.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. It's, it's, it's weird that we
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: had this time where it was like, it was okay
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: for things to just kind of coast and, And movies
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: would come out and stay in a theater for years
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and you could be like, yeah, this is a great movie.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Let's go see it nine more times in the theater
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: as opposed to now when you've got a week and
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: a half before they pull it out of theaters. I
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: think it just gave everything time to kind of cruise
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: along and still be sort of popular for a little while.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, 80s, I think that's it. I still feel
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: like 70s is maybe the most interesting decade. I think
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: they did stuff that had never been done and still
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: kind of has not been touched in some cases. But
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: the 80s became the point when they threw a ton
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: of money at it. And people then had financial freedom
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: to do whatever the hell they want. And you start
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to see it on the screen. And you see some
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: crazy ridiculous stuff that, again, I don't know if any
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: other decade touches the excess and ridiculousness of the 80s.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I just think it's pretty clear to me that all
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: art is drug-fueled from the beginning of time. And you
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: can define the generation's art by what was the drug
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: of that time. And you cannot look at 80s art
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: and not say this was not the generation of cocaine.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: There's a little cocaine decade.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: So much cocaine.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: The music and the movies and everything. You're like, man, everything.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And everything's like, ha, yeah, yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everything is fast and confident and loud. And like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I've been... I don't do cocaine, but
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I've been around it a lot, and I've been cornered
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: many times by cocaine people.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I hear stories about the clubs.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, this is just like listening to, I
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: don't know, like Duran Duran.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: What would be the 90s? Well, that's a great idea.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: What's the drug of choice for the 90s?
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I was doing the 60s. I'm like, do we start
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: with marijuana and then cruise into like acid for the 70s? Like,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: what's the drug of choice in the middle there?
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: 90s, maybe weed. Or booze? I don't know because I
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: think of like grunge. It like went back.
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: It might have switched to alcohol in the 90s. Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I can see that. Because I feel like now it's
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: more weed oriented.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Now it's super weed.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Now it's so weed oriented.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Everyone just smokes weed.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's yeah. It's just it is culture at
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: this point. It is just pop culture as a whole
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: has just found a new level for it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: I want Eric Andre to make a movie.
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: And just be like bring it back to the acid trips.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: That can probably be arranged. I get hold of.
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: Every worthwhile contender and they all say the same thing.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Five weeks just isn't enough time to get into shape. Oh,
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: shape nothing, man. They're afraid.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: Hell, they know everybody in the world is going to
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: see this fight and none of them got a prayer
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: whipping me.
• 58:01
  Speaker 14: So they're making excuses.
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: So they don't have to be the chump to get
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: whipped in front of the whole civilized world. All I
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: can say is I'm a good promoter.
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: I've promoted fights in every goddamn country in the world.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: And I've broken my ass over this one. Then I
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: don't know what the hell else to do.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: Without a ranked contender, what this fighter's gonna need is
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: a novelty. This is the land of opportunity, right? So
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: Apollo Creed, on January 1st, gives a local underdog fighter
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: an opportunity. A Snow White underdog, and I'm gonna put
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: his face on this poster with me. And I'll tell
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: you why. Because I'm sentimental. And a lot of other
• 58:48
  Speaker 7: people in this country are just as sentimental and there's
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: nothing they'd like better than to see Apollo Creed give
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: a local Philadelphia boy a shot at the greatest title
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: in the world on this country's biggest birthday.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Now that's the way I see it.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: And that's the way it's gonna be. Apollo, I like it.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: It's very American.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: No, Jurgens.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: It's very smart I guess we have to sort of
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: deal with Apollo because that is that's what I was
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: saying before like you get this perfect version of of
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: like the polar opposites you know which once again we
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: start to see in number three but like you have
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: like rocky just being broke and living in that little
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: apartment and and you know his way of exercising is
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: running on the streets holding bricks you know it's like
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: he's the most ghetto version of working out ever and
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: like you start to see like that is a great
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: scene of watching apollo's guy they're watching the news coverage
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and rocky is just pummeling meat You know, he's literally
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: willing to get his hands bloody. Like, literally. And, like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: he's watching and going, no, this guy's not messing around.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: And Apollo's in the middle of a business deal, not
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: even watching what's going on with this guy. And it's like,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: this is why you'll eventually lose. It's like, you get
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: to a point where you're so, like, focused on the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: business aspect and, like, your career part of it versus
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: the hunger version that Stallone still has at this point.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: And again, to watch that kind of come full circle
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: by the two movies later, it's like it is kind
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: of interesting and maybe is part of that like comment
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: on professional sports and what happens because that's pretty regular.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Like that is.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Kind of how those things go i think.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Carl weathers is great in that role i think in
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: the first one he is very passable i think probably
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: just via instruction not a not a diss on him
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: he's pretty much just doing a ali knockoff yeah which
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: it was inspired by right yeah but then by the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: second one he has to go so heel and he
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: does it so good He does it so good. So
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: I think his character in general, I think it peaks
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: in two.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: And I think it's just, well, then making that really
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: hard turn by the third one where it's like, okay,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: we've spent two movies hating this dude. And like, now
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: we have to change our mind. And like, it's almost
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: overly likable at some points. You're just like, Wait, is
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: this the same guy we hated a movie ago? It
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: is an odd arc for his character because, again, he's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: almost non-affecting in this movie. That's the most useful scene
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: is that one where you're watching him not pay attention
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to his sport that he's supposed to care about. But
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: other than that, he really is just all pumped. Yeah,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: he's very neutral. He's just there to fill that void
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: in the script. We needed somebody to be kind of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: like Ali. We needed somebody to represent that he's very
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: impressive at building this up. And you do see it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: almost as that wrestling aspect of, I can talk a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: good game. That's what I would say.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: I'd say in the first one, pretty much his device
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: as a quote-unquote villain is just that He is so good,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: it would be hard to beat him. But by the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: second one, it's like, I hate this guy. I want
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: him to lose. He becomes a true villain as opposed
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: to more of just a hill to climb.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: He's not overly important, really. Which, again, I didn't remember.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought it was more of a one
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: versus the other. But again, that's not what he's fighting against.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: It's like the other aspects of his life is a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: way bigger challenge for him. Than beating Apollo, which doesn't
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: even come into play by the end, you realize.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: And I remember a funny story I heard about Carl
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Weathers' casting was that... I guess he came in for
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: his audition and he was running lines with Stallone. And
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: you know, Stallone's like an unknown at the time. So
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: he's reading a few lines and he gets kind of
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: frustrated and he looks at the director and he goes...
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: you know, like, this is fine and all, but I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: could really do a lot better job if you let
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: me run lines with a real actor. Because he just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: thought he was just, like, a stand-in for the auditions,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: and the director was like, that's Sylvester Stallone, he's the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: star and writer of the movie. He wrote the screenplay. Yeah,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Stallone said, like, after that comment, he was like, this
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: is the guy. Like, anyone that would be that arrogant, like,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: this is the guy.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: That is Apollo Creed. Hilarious.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: So I was kind of uncertain about this detail, like,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: because they say in the middle of the fight, like,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: they're like, this guy doesn't know that this is, this
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: isn't a real fight, you know, whatever, whatever. Is that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: just because they're like, Apollo's the best of all time?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Or are they like, He's going to win either way.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Like, if they go to the 15 rounds, Apollo's going
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: to win. Which, was it just his guys that were
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: saying that?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: I think he just meant, like, spiritually. Like, Apollo thought
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: this was, like, he kind of, this will.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Be great publicity. Like a cute little show. It wasn't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: supposed to be real funny.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: In his mind.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: And he just tried to tell him, like, no, this
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: guy does not think that. He has a chance to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: totally change his life. So you need to, even if
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: you think you're better than him, you need to realize, like,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: He's fighting at a different level than you, and if
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: you want to beat him, you've got to get up
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: to that level.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Again, he's fighting a different fight than you. It wasn't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: really even a fight for him. It was a publicity stunt.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Again, he chose him specifically because he liked the name.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: He had never seen Fight. He didn't care about any
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: of that. It was just a weird Italian tie-in to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: the Bicentennial. That'll work. He put that much thought into it.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: It was good enough.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: My knowledge of boxing, Isaac, is always tied to organized crime.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: So I'm just like, okay, this is rigged. There's a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: lot of people with their money in this match, et cetera,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: et cetera.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Not that we know that that happens. That's where my
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: mind goes.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he just meant more like you got
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: to pick it up because that's where he is.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: You were saying knowledge of boxing movies. I guess I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: also wanted to address that because I feel like now
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: it is, I mean, it literally is a sub genre
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: in this point. Like we may, and I'm surprised, like
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: sports movies are kind of hit and miss like every
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: couple of years, something will show up. But boxing movies
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: are like nonstop, like to the point, like at least
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: every year, sometimes a couple in the same year will
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: come out. So I'm like, obviously, you know, people respond
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: to them, but, I also feel like there's become sort
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: of an art form to being able to shoot a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: good boxing movie. And this was so early on, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: don't even feel like it's shot like that. Like, it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: is not at all shot the way that you would
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: shoot a boxing movie now.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: It's all about the lighting now.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Like, the lighting of the matches.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: And, like, it changes. Like, it will want to be, again,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: it's probably just more of our, like, wanting to be
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: more artsy and like being taken seriously as a film
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: where like they will get up close and personal will
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: be like cutting to different shots with each punch and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: like that kind of stuff where this I felt like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: was way more staged literally like the camera's pretty far
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: back a good portion of like we will almost sometimes
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: get the entire ring in there for a lot of
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: the a lot of the going back and forth and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: i'm like where now i feel like it's a lot
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: more cutting it's a lot more close-ups it's a lot
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: more you know reaction shot to this and like it
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: will just cut back and forth and try to tell
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: the story with the way that it's cut together where
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: this was just again in the real world it was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: probably really hard to choreograph this fight to the point
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: that they said like it went so badly during that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: first rehearsal they they like the director told stallone go
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: home and write the scene blow for blow write exactly
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: what you want to happen because our like trying to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: wing it isn't working so like i feel like there
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: is a little maybe that coming through that it's like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: it looks good like they did rehearse it non-stop pretty
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: well and yeah i think it's still a good fight
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: scene but i feel like It is one of those,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like they were almost more of like, okay,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: just sit the camera over here because we got a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: lot of other stuff to do. We don't really have
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: time to deal with shooting. We'll do some cool angles
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: later on the steps. But I feel like once they
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: got to that final fight, they were like, we got
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: to make sure we get the fight in and get
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: it right and get everything laid out and framed and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: everything else together. So I feel like it's not super
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: experimental in that part. It's just, it does a good
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: job and they staged a good fight. It still does
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: hold up.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: But it's very different than I feel like fight scenes
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: are now when you cut it together.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: I think they didn't care as much about the fight
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: in the beginning. I'm thinking about that. And one of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: the first things that I said out loud watching the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: film was like, this is worse than pro wrestling. Watching
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: the blows and nothing happened. It's kind of like pulling
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: the punches.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is bad.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: But then the end fight, I was like, okay, this
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: is not nearly as bad as that first fight.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I get you. I get what you're saying for sure.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I feel like that's definitely changed.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: I guess now you're more exposed to more fight movies
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: that are made now. I don't know, did you have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: a response because it's not like most fight movies are now?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because of how little fighting there was, for sure.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Again, that's almost maybe more pop-culturally. You would almost expect
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: it to be like a boxing movie, where once you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: get back there, like we said, it's... Not really. It's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: third on the list of things they're trying to do here.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: And in Rocky, all of the inspirational stuff and the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: motivational stuff is really understated. Whereas a lot of boxing
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: movies now, they're like, look at this person so conflicted.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: And then they find their meaning and they work really
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: hard for it. And then you're swelling with emotion and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: you've got adrenaline during the boxing matches and stuff. But
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: Rocky doesn't do that so much.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I think you get that from Rocky, but you don't
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: get it from the fighting. I think you get it
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: more from, like, the Adrian relationship. Because that stuff, I
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: am like, when you see both of them kind of, like,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: getting better. Like, they're both... so awkward and like you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: just within the first time or two that they're together
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: she all of a sudden kind of becomes a real
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: person and she's like now she's not dressing like she
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: did she has a little more confidence in herself and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: she's just like oh i can be myself and then
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: a few scenes later she's telling off her brother which
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: she should have done a decade ago you know it's
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: like I think I get more of the inspirational aspect
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: is just more of, again, I think that's more this
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: time around, watching that fighting against this loser thing that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: they're all saddled with. I find all that way more
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: inspirational is that you do see them. all just wanting
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: to be better people.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: And you're like, you're.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: Drawing the inspiration from the characters and not like the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: inspiration being like forced down your throat. Again, it's not
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: the swelling music so much and all that.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: For somebody who I guess hadn't written a ton at
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: that point. Like, I feel like it's a pretty well scripted,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: like to be as like, you would expect again, being the,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: the brute that he is, you would expect him to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: not be a subtle writer either.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Most of these scenes are like, just again, it always
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: takes a turn. I don't expect it to. And it's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: way like, it feels like it could very easily have
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: given to a lesser writer, just hit you over the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: head with everything again. And I think it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Kind of like ties into maybe why the fight was
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: kind of good for its time and kind of holds
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: up and maybe has made things better is cause like,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: I remember hearing that, like they got a guy to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: do the fight choreography who I guess had done it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: for all the boxing movies up to them. That was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: like his big thing. And he like, you know, he
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: had this very like standard style. He's like, all right,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: you throw two lefts and a right. And then he,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: this guy does this. And I guess Stallone was like, well,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: I want a Creed to come out and he throws
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: like three rights right away. And the guy's like, no
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: fighter would ever do that. He's like, well, this guy would.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: And I think, I guess, I think it's made it
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: where like, I think that fights so good. Cause even
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: though it's an old thing, it holds up. Cause it's like,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: So it tells the whole fight is like its own
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: separate little mini film.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: It's really about telling a story more than it is
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: about like winning or losing. And that's why I think
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: like the best moment in the fight is when he
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: knocks him down in the 14th round. And then he's like,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: like Apollo's like, well, clearly I've won. This is over now.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: And then he gets up and kind of motions like,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: come on, let's keep fighting. And then he just like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: looks at the ground, just like, are you, kidding me
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: like this is insane like that just i feel like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: that's like literally three pages of dialogue in like just
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: 10 seconds of just body language.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: I think that stuff is what comes through and again
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: i feel like it was them sort of creating that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: like i don't i don't maybe i just don't remember
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: a ton of fighting movies before that yeah but like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: i feel like this is where because it becomes a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: thing that happens as as the series goes on but
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: you definitely see the roots of it right here Where
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: you get so much personality in the ring.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: And you get, like, again, where it could just be
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: a standard back and forth. Like, even when you watch
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: regular boxing, when you're watching it on HBO, it's pretty boring. Like,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: compared to when you insert a story into it.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: And you start to see, like, now they just beat
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: the hell out of each other and it's bloody half
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: the time. But, like, when you're watching, like, little characteristics
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: come out and you see, like... Again, to me, I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: think the best moment is... in the beginning when you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: see Apollo come out and he's just cocky as hell
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: and he's just dancing around and they're both just kind
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: of not hitting each other and the uppercut that catches
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: him off guard. And the only time he's ever been
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: knocked down on the road, like to me, that was like,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, I don't think I remembered that part. And
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's kind of cool because you do
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: get this, like, again, it's that, that like concentrated version
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: of this whole story. It's like Apollo not paying attention,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: being kind of lazy, just worrying about the publicity and,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: And Rocky being, like, fucking hungry. And it's just like,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: this is my shot. I'm fighting a real fight here.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: You're just dancing around, and you don't see this coming.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: And he literally just knocks him on his ass. And, like,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: that's kind of my favorite part. Like, again, that last
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: two rounds is awesome, too. But, like, I think that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: was kind of cool because I didn't really remember that
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: he just kind of, like, the first real shot he
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: gets in, he just knocks him down. And it's something that,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: you know, Apollo does not know how to deal with.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: And then from that point, you do start to see
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: those little personality. Like you see Apollo still being kind
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: of cocky as the fight goes on. You see Rocky
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: being like, I don't care. I'm going the distance. You
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: can't get me to stay down. No matter how bad
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: you beat me, no matter how bad they have to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: cut my eye so I can see you. That's the thing.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I know the line, but it's like, I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: don't remember seeing it recently. So watching, they did a good,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: actually I saw that when I was reading stuff today
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: that the biggest thing that they spent money on in
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: this movie was the.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Makeup yeah and it looks really good and i'm like that's.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: That's weird because it's not like it's a crazy sci-fi
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: makeup effects movie but just to make his face look
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: that messed up they spent more money than anything else
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: in the movie i'm like that's impressive actually because it
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't look bad like it really does look like again
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: you watch an hbo boxing those dude gets their face
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: pummeled and it looks that terrible and it Looks pretty close.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: So watching him slice that open, that was pretty damn fun.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: And I like that Apollo's weak point ended up being, like,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: his ribs.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Because he was, like, beaten on, like, the slabs of meat, like,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: right on the ribs there.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, yes.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Well, and it's, again, it's showing, like, this weird little
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: undercurrent of story of, like, you would expect it to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: be the big flashy, like, you know, knock him in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: the face and knock him out.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: But, like.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: again if you if you watch boxing enough you realize
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: it's not necessarily it it really is like a stamina
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: thing and if you can find somewhere that they're weak
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: and just work it like you can wear them down
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: to the point that you can kick their ass but
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: they don't see it coming because it's not a big
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: showy thing it's learning how to kind of pace yourself
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: and figuring out where their weak spots are it is
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: a science as they refer to it it is amazing
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: as brutal as it fucking is it is a an
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: interesting sport to watch because it really is about, like,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: learning the craft and almost doing your homework and, like,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: it's way more thinking than you would expect out of
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: just the most barbaric thing in the world beating each
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: other in the face. So... Yeah, I have some weird
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: offshoot things I wanted to throw out there.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I came up with a secondary movie that I am
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: so entertained with and I hope other people enjoy this because...
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: midway in i kind of forgot about the turtles so
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: watching oh yeah cuff and wing watching watching him like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: deal with these turtles and then he keeps referring to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: the fact that they sing and dance so i immediately
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: spiraled into this michigan jay frog movie of rocky being
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: thoroughly convinced these turtles sing and dance And taking them
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: around to everybody in town going, no, really, watch him.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: And then they just sit there and then they kick
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: him out. And he's like, and then of course later
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: they do, but nobody, he'll never get anybody to believe him.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: I loved making up my own movie of this just
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Rocky being insane.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: That's not bad.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Thoroughly convinced that these turtles will sing and dance.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: And there's a fish too, right?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: He has a little goldfish.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: But he never said he was going to sing and dance.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Several times butt kiss yeah which was his real dog
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: yeah that he was trying to give away yeah he
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: actually had to sell him because he ran out of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: money yeah he couldn't feed.
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  Speaker 4: Him back when they got the.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Script bought there's a lot of sad stuff yeah i
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: mean it like well starting like at birth like again
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: as much fun as people have made of him over
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: the years for his talking like you heard that story
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: like it was years like i thought maybe he just
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: talked like that it was like maybe the early two
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: thousands before I first heard that story and went, Oh shit.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: In the forties when they pulled kids out, they didn't
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: really know what the hell they were doing. And this doctor,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: whatever ghetto town they were in, use the forceps wrong
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: and severed nerves in his face. And that is why
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: he talks like that. And he has that kind of
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: weird little, little slur to his lip.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: It's a real medical reason that, you know, from day
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: one in this world, he was just sort of put
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: up on and like, yeah, the years of him, like,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: you know, literally I have to go make a porn
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: because I'm starving to death. Like he literally was like,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: I either I'm going to go rob people or make
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: this terrible movie that I do not want to have
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: to do, but I want to be an actor. This
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: is what, I mean, again, he takes so much shit
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: now for being the super successful, like hacky actor that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: he's supposed to be. But I'm like his life, like
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: it is a hell of a story. From day one.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: From day one. Like, shit went wrong. And it wasn't
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: until he was 30 before he ever caught a break.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Like, it's... Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: So, I don't know. That's just one of those kind
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: of looking back at, like, his life as a whole
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: is pretty damn interesting. And completely mirrors Rocky's story as well.
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  Speaker 5: And I like how much, like, real stuff. Like, the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: little injury on his finger. Like, that's a real thing.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: That's his real dog.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: He's really like 29 and trying to make it.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: He's really 29 and.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: Starving to death.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: He really had a crappy apartment just like that, I'm sure.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: If that. He was homeless for a while. So yeah,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: it's like he had a rough damn life.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: The other, I was trying to think the other weird
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: offshoot things. What the hell is that painting in Adrian's place?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: It looks like it might be black velvet paint. And
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: the girl's skin is green. And it's like, go back.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: No, I'm never going to go back and look at that.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: Like, it's disturbing. But at the same time, I'm like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I'd probably have that in my house. It's weird enough.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'd probably hang that up. Even without the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Rocky tie.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: He just has Halloween decorations for decorations all year round.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: That's my life. So yeah, I just was like, what
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: the hell is that? Because it's like their house is
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: so like, It is old lady-esque. To be the fact
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: that it's just the two of them, as far as
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: we know, there is no mom within the story that
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: we see. So the fact that they still have the
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: silver sitting on the table there, and I'm like, everything
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: about it seems like it's like an 80-year-old woman lives there,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: but yet Polly lives there. Like, it doesn't fit either
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: of them. Definitely not Polly. So, yeah, the interior decorating
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: was very strange and all of that, and I'm obsessed
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: with that weird paint.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Are there other big elements we need to hit?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I feel like we hit all the big things.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: How do you feel? Do you feel good about this?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: Are you... To this day, I still get to that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: scene and I'm like, do you want to drink some eggs?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: I never have. I do want to try it. It's
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: on my bucket list.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: I think because of that, I tested it out as
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: a kid. Did you do it?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: Barf?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: No, it was just like, I don't think I got
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: past the texture like... Maybe I'll, oh God, no. Like,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think it even got into the point of tasting.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: It was just the texture.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: I think you just got to swallow it in one gulp.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: I think you're supposed to, which is, yeah. I don't
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: think you're supposed to get to the point of going,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: is this okay? You're supposed to down it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like taking a shot.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: You just let it go.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Can't smell it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I skipped that step. I got just far enough
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: in to go, oh, this is a bad idea.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Not to mention now I'm like, oh, salmonella. What are
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: you thinking, Rock? Come on. It's super good.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: It's not that hard to eat. eggs like why don't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: you just cook.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: Them you had a stove I think I mean that
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: I mean I feel like yeah now you would just
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: eat the eggs or something like that has been replaced
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: just with like I mean if you just need the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: protein just take protein powder like you don't need to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: do straight.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: Eggs and why would you like eat all that or
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: drink it I guess right before you go on a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: run you're gonna get those split sides that he got
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: he's like limping up the stairs I'm like that's cause
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: you drank the eggs you dummy and.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: You're probably nauseous at this point I do want to
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: address the song, because I don't think I realize just
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: how freaking on the nose those lyrics are. Like, it
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: is not subtle there, let me tell you.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, gonna fly next?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, like, in the beginning, like, every, like,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: it's literally describing the things he's doing in the beginning. Like,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: by the end, at least, the gonna fly is more, like,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: inspirational and spiritual-ish, but, like, the beginning's just, like.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: Flying hard now.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: It's so hard now, trying hard now. Feeling strong now,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm in awe now.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you're right. That's what he's doing. It's a
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: little more cheesy than I remembered. Yeah, I was like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: I guess by the end it all works and the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: scene is shot so awesome and they created a rig
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: around that, which I didn't know this was more or
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: less where that like... that attachment that you would put
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: on you to kind of deal with the motion.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, the study cam?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the study cam.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like the first movie they used it in.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: It was like just a regular thing.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: The original run, I think the guy who put it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: together was going to try to sell it in LA
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: and he had his girlfriend run up the stairs and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: shot coverage of that. And then our director saw it
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: and was like, be pretty cool on rocky so he
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: like recreates the thing he did a few months before
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: with his girlfriend with sylvester stallone i'm like that's interesting
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: i don't think i'd heard that story before i don't
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: think i realized that was the birthplace of to bring.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: It all full circle at the end here i feel
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: like my favorite song story is that so erwin winkler
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: i believe is who did the music for most of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: the films and he pitched rocky the song he pitched
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: him a couple songs for rocky three one of which
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: was Eye of the Tiger, but one of which, which
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: was almost the go, was You're the Best Around. And
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: Rocky was like, no, we're going to go with Survivor,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: we're going to go with Eye of the Tiger. Erwin
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Winkler then, years later, works on the music for The
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: Karate Kid and goes, you know, I have this awesome
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: song that's kind of inspirational related to sports if you
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: want to use it. And it was You're the Best Around,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: which is now kind of famous for that movie.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for Burning Heart myself. That's a great one, too.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Anything by survivor is great.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I yeah i can't argue that either version of survivor
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: sort of becomes a different band in between those two
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: movies yeah again both.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: Of those songs probably coke fueled.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Well that that lead singer's not around anymore so i
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: don't know that that anything to do with it but
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: rest in peace that dude from burning heart because he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: was awesome um To bring it full circle, we didn't
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: mention that this is the man who brought his Karate Kid,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: as you said earlier. So it is like you do
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: see him sort of hitting this, even mimicking his own
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: movie later. This sort of a sports movie, but kind
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: of an unconventional sport. And this very solo guy on
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: his own little path trying to... trying to prove himself
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: more than anything, again, more than even winning the, you know,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: the competition in Karate Kid. It's about, you know, him,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: you know, he's a picked on kid. So it's like,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: I want to have some sort of, you know, inner
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: strength and I want to be, you know, proud of
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: who I am. And like, he learns that stuff, you know,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: and I guess Miyagi becomes our Mickey and like it.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: So he does start to like, you start to already
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: see a, a, sort of a cookie cutter version of
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: this that then I feel like gets beat to death.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: By the end of the eighties, we've already seen so
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: many sports movies kind of steal this, this little blueprint
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: and just use it over and over to the point
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: now that it's kind of hard to not do one
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: of those. Like when I see a boxing movie, I'm like,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: how are you going to go about not pulling from
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Rocky stuff? You know, especially because there's so many that like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: you have all those different points in the career that like,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: it's really hard to not hit a note that Rocky's
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: already done in some version, in some movie over the years.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: So I guess that's points to, yeah, Creed for coming along.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: And I don't feel like it totally retreads what's going
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: on in this first movie.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: Does a good job of, you know, tells its own story,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: telling its own story, touching back enough.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: It mirrors it a little and, and rock becomes the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: Mickey too, but like it, it definitely kind of has
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: its own take on it. So it's, Yeah, so I
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: think that's full circle is they made another version of
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: it and worked Rocky the character.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Back into it.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: And he was robbed for the Oscar. Really? That would
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: have been a nice.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: He got the Golden Globes.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: That would have been a nice full circle, though, to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: have won the Oscar the first time around and then
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: come back in as that character. So yeah, Oscars, you're
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: screwing things up. As per usual, we say.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 14: All right.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: That was good. I feel good. Do you guys feel good?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like we've I feel fine. We've covered Rocky.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: I don't feel sick.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Does it make you want to go watch the other
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: ones now? Because I kind of feel like you need to.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: That is the big question.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: I don't feel compelled, but I am not against it.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Because I feel like we just talked about it.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, now I know the gist.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: All right, cool.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah. Again, I feel like two
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: just kind of drags the story on a little further.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: And we get to see a little more come out
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: of it. But three takes that turn. And I feel
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: like you do get a very different dynamic by the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: time you hit the third one. And then it gets
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: silly for a couple of movies. But then you can
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: come back around towards the end.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: I'd be down to watch The Rush. I mean, that one...
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: As far as I've heard, it's more of the cult
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: classic one. Everyone talks about the fourth one.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: You should definitely just at least jump around the series.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, even when they're at their cheesiest, they're more
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: entertaining than a lot of movies out there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: It's a fun series.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: I'll end up watching them.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: It's worth a spin. Give four a spin.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: For sure. I say three, too. You get to see Mr.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: T being a badass. Before he was the jokey Mr. T,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: he was Clubber Lang.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: I like to watch things in order.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: I think it's worth doing.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Very orderly.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: You didn't know that about me.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 12: Not at all.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 12: Not at all.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Pure chaos.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 14: So, yeah.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Otherwise, go watch the rest of the series. For anyone
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: out there who hasn't seen it, but for some reason
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: joined us on this little journey and watched the first one,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: I guess continue on and let us know what you think.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, what do you have to tell people
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: as far as if they want to keep up with
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: you or what you've got in the works?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: I always list shows and just general content, like, you know,
• 1:27:54
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• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: then um uh i'm part of like a content site
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: i got like a couple podcasts one that i host
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: when i co-host and i got high podcasts everyone's got
• 1:28:09
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• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: and one has like a video version like i recorded
• 1:28:17
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• 1:28:20
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• 1:28:32
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  Speaker 1: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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