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The 3 Struggles EVERY Muslim Face (Ft. Sayed Zane Milani) · After Maghrib 🌙

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It's Millar Rahmad Rahim Salaam alaikum and welcome back to the
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aftermath of podcast where today's a new week.
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That means we're having a brand new conversation and I'm excited
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for today because it's one I think we can all relate to and
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resonate with. Inshallah and we are joined by a
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wonderful, amazing guest. And before I introduce him, as
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always, as I do every week, I'd like to introduce my Co host, my
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partner in crime. Yes, yes.
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Sounds like. We're married.
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No, no, no. Technically.
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We have. We have spouses who listen how
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are. You.
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I handled. I'm OK.
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I had AI had a late night last night.
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We had the late night buzz. The late night buzz, which means
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I got here late, which was I'm half asleep right now, say Ali,
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He messaged me, he says. Voila, please wake up.
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He messaged me on WhatsApp. You know, before we got here, I
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was speaking to Seid Mushtawa and I was like, look, if Ahmed
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doesn't wake up, he's not going to answer the telephone calls.
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He needs to send that. We need to place a delivery
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order and send it to his house. So Ali, the delivery man,
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presses the bell. He wake up?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was feeling a bit, yeah.
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I like Sadiq. Ali Sannik What do I say to
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that? I like.
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I like satnik. Hoblik.
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Hoblik. OK.
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It was just and you you're learning the Arabic.
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Yeah, I'll show you. I'm getting that.
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Anyway, we have a special guest with us.
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One of the the most up and coming young stars of our
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community, Marshall Allah, fantastic speaker.
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He's been involved on in different projects without Hubet
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TV. We're excited to have him on.
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It feels like it's overdue as well.
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Say Zayn Milani Salam Alaikum bro.
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I want to thank you for this opportunity for having me on
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here and I'm looking forward to today's topic.
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And just speaking with you guys, I love the energy you guys have
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brought. I love this banter back and
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forth so. Have.
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A great discussion. How's things with you?
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How's life? So handle the way it is right
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now. We were briefly mentioning
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before the show how right now it is in Ramadan whilst we're
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recording and this I found this year much easier than last year.
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Handelillah due to the time going back and it's just been
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the weather's better and it's just more bearable.
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Yeah. However, I started thinking back
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to a couple of years ago when it was longer and yeah it was more
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difficult. However we felt the reward of
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it. It felt the yes, you know when
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you break the first struggle you felt the struggle and I was just
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thinking back to that whilst you guys were speaking and the
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Subhanallah. Those were amazing times but
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I'll handle, I'll handle that. I'm doing well.
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My family's doing well, just moving on with life.
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Does it get sometimes overwhelming to be the grandson
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of Ayatollah Saif Ali Milani? Does it feel like a lot of
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people are always talking to you about him?
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And how does it make you feel? I think I wouldn't say
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overwhelming, but I definitely feel like, OK, well, I'll speak
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about the benefits of it first. I definitely feel like it's a
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blessing. It's a blessing, 100% is a
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blessing. It's it's brought me many
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blessings that I can't even have done otherwise, you know, just
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having that, just him being my grandfather, you know, people
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want to know me, want to talk to me.
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It's a blessing of handle Allah. And I don't feel a sense of
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pressure. I don't feel like there's that
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pressure of, you know, if someone were to ask about my
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granddad, I'm happy to sit and discuss, you know, and talk
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about what he's like and the work that he's done and so on
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and so forth. However, I do feel like
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sometimes there is that little bit of a shadow in a sense just
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looking back at my father and his father, it's kind of the
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sense, you know, it's natural you anyone who has great parents
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and grandparents and so on, then actually going to feel that.
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And we all feel that at some point just looking up to our
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parents, we feel like how could we ever be like them, you know,
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so but there is that sense of, you know, a shadow of, you know,
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I'm not going to be able to reach the same levels that this
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person can reach. But it hasn't impacted me in a
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sense because I've sort of set out on my own route, and I've
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always wanted to just establish myself as myself and go from
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there. I mean, even when I was in the
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Shiite voice, I don't know if you saw that clip where Mullah
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Nazar was. Like, why didn't you put Sayeds
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in saying to Milani, he asked that you're the grandson of
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Ayatollah Father Milani. And my heart dropped.
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This is the one thing I didn't want it to come to.
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It's like I want to be on here for me, Not because of, not
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because of who my granddad is, But Handelah is a blessing,
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definitely. But it does have, of course, the
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natural pressures that come with being the grandson of someone
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like. That we Allah bless him and
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protect him and I think it's only fair we give your father a
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shout out the Jaffar Milani who I've shared great memories with
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And here as well at Ella Bay TV. We Allah bless him like father
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like son and Charlotte can continue in this path.
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But before we go into delving into the actual conversation, I
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have a final question on this topic.
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Do you feel like because you are in this family, handled a
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blessed family, that you have an extra sort of responsibility in
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the eyes of not just Allah but your community?
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100 percent, 100%. It's something that I've had to
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be aware of from a very, very young age and that the way that
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I conduct myself, it's not going to come across the same way that
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someone else might come across, you know, Because people don't
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know, for example, my friends outside the Magilis and whatnot.
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I remember when I'll be outside playing with my friends, you
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know my dad would take it very seriously and you get angry and
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tell me to go back inside and so on.
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I wouldn't get it. Why?
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Because my friends there, no ones going to really say
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anything. Yes.
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But if I'm sat there playing around, especially now at this
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age, if I'm not really stepping up, if I'm not doing anything to
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just sort of carry on and at least even in my mannerisms,
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portray and project my family the way that they have been, you
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know, it's going to bring about a negative image.
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And I don't want to. I don't want that for my family.
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No one would want that. So it's there is again, there is
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that sort of pressure in that, you know, there is a
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responsibility, definitely that you have to live up to an image.
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You have to sort of watch the way that you act many, many more
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times than the average person will have to.
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Even in Majalis, just when I'm standing next to my granddad.
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Yeah, just that in its own I need to watch a million times
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over what I'm saying. Sometimes I mess over my words.
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I'm like, you know, I don't want to be saying the wrong things
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and that kind of stuff, and you have to watch your actions very
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carefully. But I'm delighted it teaches you
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a lot on the other side. On the flip side of it, it gives
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you a lot of life experience. It gives you a sort of maturity
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from early on that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
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I love that word. Maturity.
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What I would what I would add is if with your permission is at
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least from observation of of friends I think say that I said
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Eileen and I will will know a lot of sons of scholars say to
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himself as a son of a scholar you yourself are son of a
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scholar Masha'allah and a lot of the time there are occasions
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where it might go to the flip side.
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So there are people. In fact last night Subhanallah
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was driving with some friends and this conversation came up.
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Why are people? Why are some of our youth one of
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the struggles youth are facing? Is is is leaving Islam or
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leaving Shiism. Not often, but we do see it, and
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in some cases you see even from the sons of scholars or from the
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sons of scholarly families in general.
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Now, obviously I don't think I can, I'm able to comment too
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much on it, but one would imagine it might be because of a
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pressure or a misunderstanding, or maybe maybe to some even like
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what's the word. I'm looking for?
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An expectation to practice. An expectation to uphold a
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certain standard. Islam being forced down the
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throat. You know for some, I don't know,
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but it's it's it's Masha, Allah to see you both to see you guys
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how, how you've turned out. It's an example.
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I think to us, the rest of the community we say wow, that these
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are they're carrying on the traditions of their fathers and
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their grandfathers. Masha, Allah.
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And you know it's it's a good example to a lot of youth
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because there are a lot of youth and I want to I want to ask you
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as well because there are a lot of us who are not sons of
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scholarly families. Let's even put it another way.
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There are people who may come from families which are not
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practicing don't pray. Maybe they're they they.
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I met a brother 2-3 days ago who who who joined Shiism actually
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at the an after market up event who joined the fold of of Shi
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Islam and might come from families which don't practice or
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encourage it. It's pressure.
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Is it perhaps to a degree for a young child or a young guy who's
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who's trying to learn? I don't know.
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I just want to understand what you think in terms of the
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societal pressure that's put on someone when they come from a
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family, which is or isn't religious.
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Do you know what I mean? I'm.
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Going to let you answer this, I think because you are younger
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than me, you are very, very younger than me, and I think my
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challenges are very different to how they are now.
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But I would say the fact that you mentioned, like even people
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struggle from a scholar family, that tells you that struggles
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are real. No one's unique to the, you
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know, the the challenges they face or to the Satanic battles
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they have with themselves. But I I think ultimately at the
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at the end of the day, I think the way how you nourish a
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family, how you raise them and the upbringing plays a very
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critical role. There are those who, as you
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said, you know, they force Islam down the throat or are those who
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know who make you embrace Islam, make you live Islam and actually
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understand what Islam is all about.
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And I think that's how we have less struggles.
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If we understand, for example, why Allah Subhanahu Ta'ala has
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made certain laws while Allah Subhanahu Ta'ala has, you know,
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made things in a specific way. Why does halad, Why does Haram?
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Why this is her right or his right or the child's right or
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the mother's right? It's because there is a balance,
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like everyone has her role. Everyone has certain
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responsibilities. The moment we understand the
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rights of the laws and the rights of everyone else around
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us, I think the struggles will be easy.
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I don't know. That's that's my struggles when
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I was younger. That's the way we face now.
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But I know times have changed. Technology has not exploded.
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The Internet has taken over everyone's home for on here from
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you. I definitely agree with you.
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I definitely agree that having a clear understanding of Islam and
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seeing people embody Islam, as opposed to shoving it down our
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throats is the best way forward. I think for me, having, you
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know, my granddad is a big inspiration for me, my grandad
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and my my dad, just seeing exactly just seeing them embody
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Islam, you know, just seeing them embody the characteristics
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of Islam, the virtues. I grew up initially saying that
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not sorry, initially not understanding where these
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actions were coming from, but then I started to understand the
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purpose behind them. I understand what positive
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attributes these have, so I started aspiring to be like it.
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I would say, OK, you know what? I want to even talk like my
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grandad. I want to walk like him.
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I want that, you know, because people.
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So you had the Role model. Exactly.
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And I think a lot of people, this could be the issue for a
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lot of people like you mentioned, brother, is that they
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don't have that role model. A lot of the youth, they don't
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have that role model. And especially when I talk with
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a lot of my friends, when they do have their Islamic role
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models, be it their fathers, their cousins, their parents,
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whatever it is, it's negatively portrayed for them.
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It's something completely different, right where it's
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completely restrictive. They're pinned down and they're
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held down and then they're, you know, unable to.
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They're they're having a reverse reaction where they're, you
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know, they want to flee from Islam.
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I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.
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So youth, there are youth who are sometimes so raw and and
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have so much potential in their talent and you know, their their
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opportunity to to progress and develop.
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And as in someone who's older, you might be in your 20s,
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thirties, 40s, you might be a parent.
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It's very important to mentor them the right way.
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You know we met a young boy a few days ago who who we ran into
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the three of us with Mushallah. And we all agree that this guy
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Mushallah, this young brother has a lot of potential but he
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needs a good mentor. But there's a difference between
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mentoring someone and maybe, you know, forcing or enforcing Islam
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on them, you know, forcing them to come to manage this and force
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them to sit for an hour in order, an hour in Arabic or
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something like that. And then they're just baffled.
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They're they're maybe put off religion or whatever.
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It's I think mentoring is as much of A responsibility as it
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is on our parents as it is even to us who are not.
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Maybe just don't have teenage kids, you know, we might have
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younger kids, but you know, we need to look down on these
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brothers and maybe help out, look out for them in a mosque,
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help out where we can. Mentoring is a big part of our
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community, which I think we all benefit from, at least in our
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generation stage. We we had mentors in youth clubs
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and stuff like that, but there's also an onus on us to do the
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same, you know? What I mean one. 100%, I'm with
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you on that. I mean, I think that I was a big
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advocate for even just youth clubs in general.
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I was looking into so many ideas and just setting up, you know,
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youth events and whatnot because I was a big advocate for this.
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I definitely believe that another another factor that is
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leading so many people astray in my generation, just the youth in
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general, is this lack of mentorship from the previous
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generation, right? Where it kind of ties into that
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role model issue where I feel like from the complaints that I
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hear from a lot of people, they are pushed away by the previous
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generation and they don't take responsibility, especially their
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parents and so on and so forth. They don't understand that if
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their son is out, you know, clubbing and partying and so on,
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they have a degree of responsibility for that.
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It's not completely on their child.
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You know, they they have a degree of responsibility.
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Does does Sorry to interrupt you.
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Does it have a switch to the child fully?
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And at what point does it? Is it Bullock?
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Is it when they move out of the house and they want to get
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married? I think it's a that's a very
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difficult question to answer because I think that's very
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subjective. Circumstantial.
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It's very down to the person, so.
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There's no like so for you. There's no threshold where all
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children become solely responsible for their own
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actions. I do think eventually because
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this, this becomes a question of like human nature in general of,
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you know, is it nurture versus nature, like that kind of thing
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where you know someone who's 30 years old, are they still
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impacted by the way they were raised and so on.
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So you, you hear me. So it's that kind of question.
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I think definitely after Beluga, they're 100% responsible for
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their own action, right. However, the actions that they
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take is definitely influenced by the actions of their parents or
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their role models or whoever's in around them, right?
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And I feel like there's just like just this sort of lack of
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responsibility from the previous generation and they're quick to
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blame us, they're quick to point fingers, quick to.
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It's just a natural thing where I'm sure you experience it
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within your own generation where, you know, they're quick
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to call us lazy, quick to blame us for anything that we're doing
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wrong. You know, we just, we've lost
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interest and I don't see any kind of responsibility taken.
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So that's why I kind of really agree with that point of yours
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that we owe it to to the next generation to actually take
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responsibility, ensure that we are that responsibility.
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You're 18. You're saying you owe it to next
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Next generation For you is like in the in the diapers, right?
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Now I was waiting to say he's 18.
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You mentioned you. Know what we said before the
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Before we start the podcast when Yahoob ATV started saying you
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were held like 7, 1816 when the TV started.
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I was 1515, I was 13 or 12 and you were three.
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So it's like. Yeah.
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It's, yeah. But I definitely take up that
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responsibility because even when I look at my younger cousins,
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even if they're younger than me by like one or two years, you
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know, I definitely take that responsibility for them.
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If I see them, you know, going down a route that just because
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I've been in their position many times and there is, you know,
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just to touch back on that earlier question, I wasn't fully
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honest when he asked about being having that pressure of being
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the grandson of a scholar or from a scholarly family.
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There is there's sort of this taboo where you're unable to
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admit that okay, you know what? I'm still, I'm still part of the
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youth. Of course I'm gonna be taking
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part. There's there's so fallible.
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You're still growing. You know I've fell into the same
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issues that any other youth will fall into I respect.
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So it's it's very difficult to kind of openly say that.
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But yeah, feel. Like people expect you to be
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mushroom. There is.
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There is that sort of, yeah. Because now if I, if I go out,
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like I've never gone clubbing, but if I were to come out
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tomorrow and say that I was clubbing, they're gonna be like,
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you know, there's just gonna be a scandal.
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It's gonna be a scandal. It's not gonna be just.
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People knocking the door. Yeah, yeah, literally they're
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going to go to him. What's your grandson doing?
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And so it is that sort of you have to really watch what you're
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doing. But of course, we're still
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youth, we're still people. We're still, we're not, we're
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we're not fallibles. No, we are fallibles.
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We are fallibles. So of course we make mistakes.
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And I've been in those positions, I've been in those
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circumstances, people around me. So now when I recognise it in my
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younger cousins, just people around me, it doesn't
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necessarily even need to be my own cousins, just people around
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me, my age, my own friends. I'm definitely going to step up
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and I always do that. I step up and I take it upon
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myself to just guide them and give them whatever advice that I
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can. And I try to do it from my own
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point of view because I understand what it's like to be
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knaggered. I think that that was another
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point that kind of I've noticed with the youth is that when
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we're advised it's very annoying.
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It's really very annoying, especially when we're advised by
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our elders. It's done in a manner that's
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it's not relatable, it's not understandable, We don't get
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anything out of it and it just feels like we're being lectured.
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We're being told off. Exactly.
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So I feel like that's another Another issue is that we we're
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not advised in the correct way. It's not that we aren't looking
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for advice, it's just we're not advised.
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You know that's that's so true, Sayed.
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Because, you know, back in my days when I was younger and I,
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and I think I've mentioned this on a previous podcast as well,
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like if, let's say we did something wrong in our community
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or, you know, someone wasn't, you know, adhering to all the
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Islamic laws or the shuya, he's falling out of line.
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They didn't take him back into line.
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They were just telling him off, speaking about him publicly, you
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know, bringing it down his family.
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And then eventually he fell off that line completely.
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Of course not because he hated Islam or he hated, you know, the
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world of what's halal to him. He hated the people who
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represented Islam. And you know that saying where
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they say was it don't. If you're looking to, if you if
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you're trying to search about Islam, look into Islam and don't
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look at the Muslims. And I think that's very critical
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in this conversation. That hadith and minimumini which
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is so relevant, it's like mentioned a few days ago as well
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somewhere else. Look for the truth.
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Don't look for those who claim to have it.
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Yes, follow those with the truth.
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And it will lead you don't. Follow if because if we follow
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people, we follow those who adhere to you know or they say
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that they have we're going to be let down and an hour cave and
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you know somewhere we don't want to go basically so.
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So what do we do now? Let's let's say what youth was
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struggling. Charlotte was all, was all
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youth. And in gender we are youth, so
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we stay this way. And you are a young believer, So
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what are the struggles that people face now?
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OK. But you would say effects you
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could be Muslim? OK, this, I think this is the
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number one thing. Is Salah.
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Salah, the biggest thing I just, from what I've seen with myself,
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my family, my friends, just the number one thing, forget
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everything else. The number one thing that we're
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all complaining about is Salah. We all have this desire towards
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being, you know, as we say, like on our prayers, you know, we all
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have this desire to to pray every every day, five times.
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On my Dean. On my Dean.
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Exactly. We all.
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It's not something that we're against.
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I've never met any young Shiite brother or sister who's like,
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no, I I don't want to pray. No, they all want to, right?
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But we have this severe struggle.
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It's it's a battle, it's a genuine battle that I feel like
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maybe it's new to my generation. I don't know about your
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generation, but with my generation, it's a genuine,
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genuine struggle to pray one prayer.
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It's. Been struggle since the
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beginning of time, but The thing is, I feel like for us as
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millennials or whatever, like we're a social media generation,
19:57
like for us it's it's like we want to be religious without
20:00
committing to suffer. It's like, I enjoy what me hard.
20:03
I enjoy Maja. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy
20:06
the sound of Quran and I enjoy it and I enjoy like the
20:09
congregational element of religion.
20:12
But when it comes to the commitment, the five times a
20:14
day, the waking up in the middle of the night to pray and
20:16
splitting my prayers when I have to and stuff like that, it's a
20:19
bit long. That's how people might feel.
20:21
She's sort of. I feel like it's always been an
20:23
issue and sometimes we're hypocrites because we enjoy the
20:27
vibe or the the the feeling of Islam.
20:31
Is it just me? No, no, I get you.
20:33
I definitely get you. Like you would enjoy going to an
20:35
astar. We're we're talking about astar
20:36
because we're Ramadan and I'm craving shepherd's pie today.
20:38
I don't know why the most random thing in the world and the
20:41
Lucasade anyway, but like you, you enjoy the environment, you
20:46
feel the spiritual spirituality. But then it's the commitment,
20:49
the five time daily commitment, which which I think is people
20:51
struggle with you. Know what I find interesting
20:53
about this commitment or Salah, is that you can be so young and
20:57
love Salah. You can be very young and you
21:01
see young Mama praise Baba, praise hummu praise, had you
21:05
praise everyone's praying, praying.
21:08
And then you get to a stage, I think, let's say probably, I
21:12
don't know, maybe 15, maybe even earlier now these days, but
21:14
nowadays I think about 1516 was like a crooked critical age
21:18
where you sort of not leave Salah but you don't take it as
21:21
serious as you used to. And I think that's because of
21:24
the distractions we have. Do.
21:26
You agree? Yeah.
21:28
Like our distractions back in the day was like, if a football
21:31
was on TV or you know what? We're going to, I don't know, a
21:35
a sleepover. No, it's time.
21:36
Well, don't worry. We're going to friend sleepovers
21:38
and things like this. So we didn't take Islam
21:40
seriously. But now the the distraction is
21:42
everywhere. Like I'd I'd rather scroll on
21:44
TikTok than get up and pray Fajr.
21:47
I'd rather you know, start stalking people on Instagram and
21:50
seeing what what the people saying in the comment section
21:52
and go and do Mudu and standing up for thought and awesome
21:54
prayers. So I think there is that
21:56
distraction where we don't take us a lot as serious as we used
22:00
to used to. No, I definitely think that's a
22:03
big side of it. I hadn't thought of that before.
22:05
But you're right, it's a generational thing.
22:07
And in my generation and yeah, I keep, I keep hating on this
22:10
generation. But it's true.
22:11
Yeah. And we have the shortest, what
22:15
do you call it, attention span on earth.
22:17
You know, it's like it's crazy. It's, you know, you get any one
22:20
of them in a room and try hold the conversation for more than
22:23
two minutes. It's like they're somewhere
22:25
else, you know, thinking of Roblox.
22:27
Yeah, it's something because. No, because it's just, it's an
22:30
issue of social media. Like you said, it's it's so
22:33
easily. We have such easy, instant
22:35
gratification. Yeah.
22:36
And you hope what it takes is open your phone.
22:38
You go on Tiktok. You don't like the video.
22:40
Scroll. You don't like scroll, scroll.
22:41
Keep keep going, Keep going. It doesn't end.
22:43
There's no time now. And it's just like it's been
22:48
going like this for pretty much all our lives, Yeah.
22:50
And from the moment we're born, we're pretty much born with
22:53
these iPads and iPhones and whatnot, more or less.
22:57
And so we're basically raised with it and it's how our brains
22:59
have been programmed. So I definitely agree that there
23:02
is that factor to. In terms of this Salah thing,
23:06
when you say about generational, I want to add to that I agree
23:10
that that your generation is has got the shortest attention span
23:13
in the world. I don't even think we're that,
23:16
although we we're we're between us, we have about 15 years
23:20
difference between the three of us.
23:22
But I still feel like there's a lot of similarities, I really
23:25
do. What I will say as well is that
23:28
every age group or every generation has its challenges.
23:31
So if you're talking about that period between as we say the
23:34
seven to 14 age where you're building up to Baluch for boys
23:37
or for girls, you're becoming balir.
23:39
Your challenge then is ritualising your Salah, you
23:42
know, making it routine day-to-day.
23:44
If you talk about the age group, slightly older, your your
23:48
struggles are what it's it's not thinking about girls and music
23:52
and messing around in school and all of that.
23:53
It's like no focus on your prayers.
23:56
You get a bit older when you're married, you've got kids, It's
23:59
about finding time for Salah. You're working, you're busy at
24:02
the office. Do I have time to get up and
24:03
pray before I go to work or go to school?
24:05
Do I have time? Not going to school, Drop the
24:06
kids to school maybe? Do I have time to pray?
24:08
Do you know what I mean? Making sure that you do
24:10
everything in time with your day-to-day life, being a parent
24:13
or whatever, and obviously in the elder age, your jihad, your
24:16
struggle might be my bodily strength to get up five times a
24:21
day and pray. You know they're doing World War
24:23
and like mashallah, we look at our grandparents.
24:27
My grandmother is isn't hardcore inspiration to me.
24:30
She will never pray outside of that.
24:32
What do you call it? Fazila.
24:34
She'll never pray outside of that mashallah.
24:36
And that to me is like, what am I doing?
24:38
She's pushing 80 and I'm here pushing 30.
24:42
I'm, I'm nowhere near that level.
24:44
Do you know what I mean? So we've, I think there's a lot
24:45
of of examples and lessons for us to learn across the board.
24:49
But there is definitely a generation generational element
24:51
to it for sure with solar. So what do we do when we
24:53
struggle? Oh this is this is one thing I
24:55
wanted to ask you guys because I have my own answer this on this
24:57
but I want your your answers on this first.
24:59
What's the What's been most helpful for you in maintaining
25:02
your solars? Oh.
25:03
What you've seen with your friends and your generation,
25:06
What's been the most helpful that's such?
25:08
A Maintain Salar. Oh, I've never really thought
25:11
about this to be honest in depth.
25:16
How many? You go first?
25:17
I have like one or two answers in mind.
25:19
One is after your after you go bathroom, do all the OK, so you
25:23
stay in waddle. So then it's like you don't feel
25:26
for me. The the the The thing is not
25:28
praying, it's the waddle. It's like a ass long, especially
25:31
when you're wearing a shirt and leather shoes you've got
25:33
unlaced, that's all. You're in a public place, like I
25:36
don't want to have to go and do so that's something that's in in
25:39
my mind after you go to the bathroom, do waddle and then
25:42
change and leave the house or whatever.
25:43
So you're in the world. Another thing as well is just
25:45
having a hush up in your prayer. Like being sincere in the way
25:48
you approach solar. You're near before you start
25:51
doing it so far before you begin.
25:54
Clearing your thoughts before you begin makes it easier to
25:57
pray. It makes it more enjoyable.
25:58
It doesn't feel like you have to rush it, you know, I'm I I
26:01
still, I think we all do. But I still struggle with my
26:03
daily prayers. I still struggle in making them
26:08
prayed on time, prayed with a good heart, prayed with proper
26:11
Maharaj. Like all of these elements that
26:12
we've got to try and adhere to, it's not easy, not easy, but I
26:15
enjoy it. That World War One is very
26:17
interesting because I I've actually heard that by many,
26:20
many scholars and they always say, you know, if you're always
26:22
in the state of World War, you don't have an excuse because all
26:25
the time we're not bother to pray because.
26:26
We have. To go to the sink and put the
26:29
cold water and take off my and it's.
26:30
Not just it's not just you're you're more likely to pray.
26:33
It's you're less likely to sin. When you're on world law all the
26:36
time, you know. You know you're in a state of
26:38
bahara, like you don't know, or matahara as our friend said.
26:41
What did he say? Matata, do you remember?
26:43
I can't remember. Anyway, so but you're always in
26:45
a state of the harder and you're able to you know, you're you're
26:48
conscious, you're like you know about what you're saying, what
26:50
you're doing subconsciously at least.
26:52
So I I think it's a sick, sick advice.
26:55
I think one that will work. I I think like my parents back
26:59
in the day, if we wait to go out anywhere or go visit anyone or
27:04
even take us out to the park or something, it was always around
27:08
what time is Salat time, when can we leave and when do we have
27:11
to come back to make sure we're praying Salat on time so that
27:14
that that you know, that thought process of you surround your
27:18
life around Salah rather than you know, you make you put Salah
27:23
around your life. So I think if you put Salah as
27:25
your main, you know, routine of the day, I don't want to call it
27:30
routine, but because you're doing it five times a day, every
27:32
day for the rest of your life, it's going to become routine.
27:35
But you have to make sure that it is central to everything that
27:38
you do. You're right.
27:39
And I think that that's that's what.
27:40
Makes it easy. What about you?
27:41
Even bro, even when we should travel by planes and stuff,
27:44
we'll make sure we know what what time we're taking out.
27:46
Like that's how much it had a significant impact if you don't?
27:50
Mind me asking, you've been by luck for what, Probably about
27:52
4-5 years? 4-5 years?
27:54
How has it been for you or and especially that period, how was
27:57
that for you? OK, so I'd say it's highs and
28:00
lows, highs and lows as it is for anyone else.
28:03
You know, it was a constant struggle from day one where it
28:05
was like before below. I was on my Salas and it wasn't
28:10
an issue for me. And I love the prayer and I love
28:12
the Islam. I love the Dean below happened
28:15
and I just started. Yeah.
28:17
And they were falling off. I questioned everything.
28:19
Don't want to be a part of anything, don't want to show up
28:22
to me jealous, don't want to do anything.
28:23
And even prayers. It's just completely, I was
28:25
just, I don't want to be. And this is a part where I was
28:29
going through a lot of family issues, going through a lot of
28:31
just personal life issues. So there was a lot of confusion
28:34
going on, falling into the wrong crowds, just doing the stupidest
28:37
kind of stuff. And I I think I was very
28:40
egotistical in nature. I was very arrogant.
28:43
I kind of that was that was the kind of block for me where I
28:47
couldn't re humble myself enough to be a devout Muslim, right?
28:53
And then it was a constant battle back and forth where I
28:56
just sort of slowly started working back into Islam.
29:01
And then I had the new found interest which was just debates,
29:05
right? And this was, again, this was
29:08
out of arrogance. I'm not saying this as like a
29:11
good thing that I look back upon, but this sort of did help
29:14
me to just get my way back into Islam where I had a new found
29:18
interest in debating people right?
29:19
In searching for knowledge, right?
29:21
That was a sort of because that was a personal interest of mines
29:24
from birth. Was it polemics or?
29:26
No, it was. No, it was like it was like
29:33
hadiths and just discussing other other schools, other
29:37
schools and just just that sort of thing.
29:39
Like I. See, it has, it has its pros and
29:42
cons, and yeah, I can see how it pulled you back in.
29:44
So you know, yeah, obviously being a Shia, people questioned
29:47
me always all the time. So that that was sort of like,
29:50
you know, it was really satisfying to just shut them up
29:52
and it was really, it was really enjoyable.
29:55
For me think we all how do we back then like 1617?
29:58
I would say, yeah 14150. Wow, so you were in the debate
30:01
phase a lot earlier than I was. I think we all had that debate
30:04
era. Yeah.
30:05
Yeah, like at some point for me it was when I started uni or
30:07
like back end of school, back end of year 1213, and then when
30:10
I started uni. So probably the age you're at
30:12
now is it my debate phase, but that it helps and it's like AI
30:17
feel like it's a natural transition.
30:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. To go from being a youth who's
30:22
been brought to the mosque, to a youth who's going to the mosque
30:25
and trying to use the information to battle others.
30:28
And then eventually it becomes someone who's, you know, you
30:30
become engulfed by your love for the other debate.
30:32
And then you're like, I want to give my life to them, but it's a
30:36
transition. 100% no. It's definitely what I saw.
30:38
So after that, I eventually reached a point where I was just
30:41
like, you know what, I've had enough of the being.
30:43
It's just I'm been doing this arrogance.
30:45
I'm not really not gaining any more knowledge and just it's
30:50
just it's just someone. It got to a point where someone
30:52
has said to me you use your knowledge as a weapon and that
30:56
that sort of made me well at first I didn't think much of it
30:58
but I started reflecting on it in that well, yeah, in a sense I
31:01
was just using my knowledge just to.
31:03
It wasn't because I wanted to spread the Dean.
31:05
I didn't want to to spread the message of the hell debate.
31:08
It was just a personal thing. I just wanted.
31:10
You wanted to be, right? Yeah, I just wanted to be right.
31:12
It was just arrogant, arrogance, kind of thing.
31:14
So I took a step back and I said, no, I'm done with the
31:16
beating. And after that, I think that's
31:18
when I really started to fall in love with the Dean.
31:20
That's when I really started to fall in love.
31:21
With the so you humbled yourself exactly and fell in love with.
31:24
Allah, exactly that. I think that's that's exactly
31:26
what it is. I started seeing the beauty in
31:28
in Islam. I started seeing the beauty in
31:30
Salah. So just to sort of give a quick
31:33
answer, what has been most helpful for me in terms of just
31:36
maintaining my Salah and being consistent with it is, first of
31:41
all, I'm just seeing the beauty of it.
31:44
You know, just like you were saying, just to have that
31:47
clarity of mind that five times a day or three times a day where
31:51
you know, we're just taking a break from what we're doing,
31:56
clearing our mind, we're washing our self physically and also
31:59
spiritually. And then where, you know, if
32:02
you're doing it correctly, you're actually focused on the
32:04
short, you're focused on the Salah itself, you're not.
32:08
And this is another thing that people have is that when they
32:10
pray, they see it as just an obligation trying to get over
32:12
and done with. It doesn't mean anything to
32:14
them, right? Not because they want gender.
32:16
They don't want to go help. Exactly.
32:18
Exactly. It's just it's like, OK, you
32:20
know what, let me just let me just do this.
32:22
Rather be safe than sorry. Allah's not angry with me and
32:25
then you know and then I can ask what I want and.
32:28
But no, I think I'm going to give another practical tip as
32:31
well. Focusing that one thing that has
32:33
really helped me enjoy and focus in the Salah is every, every
32:37
moment in the Salah, you're saying something.
32:39
You're either saying something or you're taking an action,
32:41
right? Every word that you say and
32:43
every action that you take in a Salah has a meaning when you're
32:46
doing these actions, when you're reciting, think about the words
32:49
and think about the actions that you're taking.
32:51
Your mind doesn't have time to go to other things.
32:53
Yes, you read the fact. That was one of your gold sales,
32:55
wasn't it? Was it last year?
32:56
We mentioned this on the, yeah. We mentioned this about
32:58
learning, realising what we're saying.
33:01
Yeah. It definitely helps your
33:02
incentive to want to pray and increases your focus while
33:05
you're praying instead of thinking about what the football
33:08
score is, what's the weather, what Jackie shall I wear when I
33:09
got, you know, like you're thinking about random stuff, but
33:12
if you're thinking of Maliki O Medini, I cannot do, I cannot
33:15
stay, and you're thinking in your head.
33:16
What do these words mean? Is that you limit your your, the
33:19
chances of you becoming distracted by something else as
33:21
well. I think it's a wicked point,
33:22
Yeah. Listen, we're going to wrap up
33:24
in the next few minutes. Is there anything you wanted to
33:25
add on to this before we. Because I've got I I still want
33:28
to ask you a ranking question. I've got like a little game I
33:31
want you to do. How we doing on time?
33:33
Just don't. Worry, don't worry the time.
33:35
Is OK. OK.
33:35
OK. So I just wanted to say that in
33:40
terms of just advice that I would give to the youth and give
33:42
to myself and other people in terms of just being committed to
33:47
the Dean. First of all start with the
33:48
solar. I know, it's the probably one of
33:50
the hardest things for us right now, right?
33:52
But once you go on down that route, everything else becomes
33:55
easy and then the Salah itself becomes easy.
33:58
And Allah has made the Salah easy.
33:59
He's made the slam very easy, as the way I see it is that he's
34:03
made Salah very easy. If you really prioritize it, it
34:07
becomes easy for you, right? The burden is taken off your
34:10
chest. And once you do that, everything
34:12
else becomes easy. You start to see Islam from a
34:14
new light and you start to enjoy and love what you're doing as
34:17
opposed to seeing it as a burden.
34:19
But that's just sort of my final take and my final piece of
34:21
advice I. Love that.
34:22
I love. It Where do you see yourself?
34:24
If you don't mind me saying, well, where do you want to take
34:26
your life? You're at the prime age of of
34:28
18, Marshall Law. This is the peak now of your
34:32
you'll in Western times. You've begun your adulthood this
34:35
year. Where do you see yourself?
34:36
What legacy do you want to leave behind?
34:41
I haven't really thought about this.
34:43
Well, no, because I've thought about it from like a career
34:46
point of view. Someone asked me what do you
34:47
want to be in 5-10 years? I know what I'm going to say
34:49
then. But in terms of legacy as who I
34:52
am as a person, I really want to have an impact on people who OK,
35:00
I need to rephrase. I feel like I have a duty to
35:03
help people, especially people who are struggling, right?
35:07
It doesn't have to be just struggling financially.
35:10
People who are struggling with the Dean, struggling in life,
35:12
just anyone who's struggling. The same way that I've struggled
35:15
and I've seen so many of my friends struggle, I feel a sense
35:18
of duty to help them and support them and as derive satisfaction
35:22
and seeing them overcome their difficulties.
35:24
So I'll say if I'm able to leave a legacy of, you know what,
35:28
having inspired, having impacted the same way that I look back at
35:31
my father and my grandfather, you know, the impact that
35:34
they've had. If I'm able to continue that
35:36
and, you know, really have a positive impact on people, turn
35:38
people's lives around, I think that'll be the greatest thing
35:42
that I could do with my life. It's.
35:43
Amazing. Beautiful.
35:45
You're going to go a long way, man.
35:46
I'm here for it. We're going to be.
35:50
Charlotte collectively, everyone listening and watching, we raise
35:53
our hands and because we need, we need more, more money like.
35:56
This more people with this way. Of thinking this mentality
35:59
because that's the only way the youth will ever fall in love
36:02
with the Slam one. Once again, Charlemagne, always,
36:04
always. You'll have a pure NIA and and I
36:07
like give you Spontana more strength to serve to guide other
36:10
youth and to guide us as well because we love you for you as
36:13
well, Charlotte. I know.
36:14
What's been beautiful, by the way?
36:16
We always get. By the way people always like
36:17
Message the podcast like you guys.
36:19
You. I never talk about a lie.
36:20
Don't bar Salah bro. This whole episode.
36:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went back.
36:28
But I feel like we've been, we've been wanting to do it.
36:30
Do you know what saying we've been speaking about like we
36:32
wanted to do an episode Salah for a long time.
36:34
Yeah, like how? Who do you ask?
36:37
Like, it's a random, it's a random episode.
36:39
Get everyone praise because like who do you ask?
36:41
Is there a specialist or like what?
36:43
So that's nice. Zane, can you check your
36:46
WhatsApp, please? So Zane, for those who don't
36:49
know, and I'm sure if you've you've, you've become as hungry
36:54
as I have because we're fasting and everything.
36:56
We've only got something that was left.
36:57
Yeah, yeah. I'm going to challenge you a bit
36:58
more. OK?
36:59
We do this thing where we ask people to rank.
37:02
It's called AM rankings, Okay. So what we'll do is we'll give
37:05
you 5 options of a topic and you've got a rank them before
37:09
you know what the next one is. For example, if I ask you to
37:11
rank your favorite football clubs in the Europe, for
37:14
example, you might start with I give you one, you rank it out of
37:17
five and you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
37:19
So said, I just got a good list for us.
37:21
So I rank it out of five, yeah. No, you don't rank it out of
37:24
five. You place it in a ranking Okay.
37:26
So I might say to you your favorite, I don't know,
37:30
starters. Yeah, you might.
37:32
I might say samosas. You might say #3 okay.
37:35
Your #3 is taken. Then you've got 124 and five
37:37
left. Okay.
37:38
So I mean I. See what you mean, okay?
37:41
Okay. So here we go.
37:43
Yeah, yeah. So this one's regarding food,
37:47
Hamdullah. I know we're fasting, so
37:50
Charlotte, our mouths don't start watering here, but the
37:53
first one you need to rank is an Oreo milkshake.
37:56
Oh my days. Beautiful.
37:59
Love it. Yeah.
38:00
See, I want to put it as #1, but I know what's going to come.
38:03
I'm going to put it as #3. Number 30, OK.
38:06
OK, just because I have a feeling what comes next will be
38:08
better. Now the second one you need to
38:11
rank is milk cake. I don't think I've ever tried
38:15
that, you know, I don't think. I want you to imagine a
38:17
pistachio milk cake. You're right, there's pistachio
38:21
cakes, which are a bit squeezy. Oh.
38:23
OK, OK, you know what I'm talking about.
38:25
They're liquidy and. Oh, that's a milk cake.
38:27
Yeah, I have had that then. That's nice.
38:31
No, it's not. Not, not nothing. 4-5, no pair,
38:34
five. It's not nothing that special.
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OK, am I doing the rest? All, yeah, yeah, go.
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OK, now this one is a doughnut. It's a Krispy Kreme, glazed.
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That's a four, man. I'm not not a big fan of
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doughnuts. OK, chocolate strawberry crepe.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So 3 is taken.
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OK, 22. So now whatever's left has to be
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#1. And I think it's going to be 1.
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Before wait before he before he's before you say it.
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What would you put #1 if you had a choice of anything?
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Desserts. Desserts.
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Oh man. Churros are nice, man.
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Churros Churros. OK, this is.
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Not exactly. Churros.
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Let's see. Perhaps you'd agree with this,
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Kanava. I think my mind didn't go to
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Arab. I didn't go to Arab.
39:23
I don't know why. I was just thinking I was the I
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I agree. I.
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Agree #1. I don't want it.
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You're happy with it. So that actually worked out for
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the. For the workout.
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You had that you had that that good near and before you
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started. Yeah.
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I'm going to be sincere in the way I rank.
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So it worked out. Paddella say thanks.
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So. Much thank you so much.
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Thank you for this opportunity. I mean, I learned so much
39:48
likewise and it's like bringing me my youth.
39:51
Thoughts I used to think about back in the day.
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We all have our own struggles. You have struggles, have
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struggles and our struggles. And if anyone out there is
39:58
struggling, trust me, a lot is the answer.
40:01
I don't think outside the box God has an answer for
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everything. It's not directly with Allah
40:07
because you sort of lack a communication with him.
40:09
You have a load that relationship and that bond with
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your creator. Speak to your local Maulana,
40:14
speak to someone more learning than you and inshallah they can
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help you stay on the path that is hacked.
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And I do want to say one thing inshallah one day, since you
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focus here on Salah and you smoke about struggles of Salah.
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And inshallah people are encouraged to go on their prayer
40:28
mats and adhere to the five days, five times a day.
40:31
Salah and Charlotte. One day we see you leading Salah
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and the shrine of your mom, Ali Salaam.
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That's a proper, that's a proper the shrine.
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OK, cool. I'll take it.
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Shallah. Also Michael Medina, but the
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Shrine of. Wow.
40:52
Wow. OK, Yeah.
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