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Does Ohio State Basketball Get What It Needs To Compete In The Big Ten? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Buckeyes Tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Morning Podcast. I'm your host Tom or joined by Marcus
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Speaker 1: Hartman of Buckeye Insiders dot com. You just got a
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Speaker 1: chance to talk to Ohiostate athletic director Ross Byork about
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Speaker 1: a wide variety of topics, and you will probably get
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Speaker 1: a whole handful of shows on all sorts of different topics.
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Speaker 2: Not Ross.
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Speaker 1: Ross left Marcus here. Marcus our basketball insider going to
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Speaker 1: talked about some of the questions that Ross got about
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Speaker 1: the basketball program, because that there were a couple of
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Speaker 1: interesting ones and one which I know is sort of well,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure this will be the title of the show.
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Speaker 1: Does Ohio State basketball have enough resources to be competitive?
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Speaker 1: Do they get what they need to be competitive in
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten? I thought his answer on that was
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Speaker 1: a really interesting one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, you know, obviously, and part of the
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Speaker 3: answer was, well, you never quite know what everybody else
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Speaker 3: is spending, which is true. But I think the gist
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Speaker 3: of it was they feel like they're spending enough, certainly
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Speaker 3: to be competitive. I think it's fair to guess that
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Speaker 3: they're at least in the top half. He did say
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Speaker 3: they allocated some more money to them, and I believe,
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Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot to digest, but I
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Speaker 3: believe he said the A, they did allocate some more
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Speaker 3: money to basketball this year, and they have more cash available,
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Speaker 3: partly because of the way the house settlement mechanics go
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Speaker 3: in terms of just how some of it had to
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Speaker 3: be spent and then sort of what could count towards
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Speaker 3: the cap and what couldn't. And he felt like, they've
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Speaker 3: got you know, they I think the gist of the
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Speaker 3: answer was, yes, they should have the resources to succeed. Now,
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Speaker 3: I think my analogy was my guess would be I
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Speaker 3: don't think they're certainly not the Dodgers or the Yankees,
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Speaker 3: but they're not the pirates either, I think. And so
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Speaker 3: I think that the answer that the thing that's best
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Speaker 3: to kind of discern from us is there's enough money
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Speaker 3: in there to not blame money if you don't win.
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Speaker 3: And maybe we were blaming money too much last year.
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Speaker 3: Maybe not, But it is a nice cheat code if
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Speaker 3: you know, you can kind of go out there and
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Speaker 3: always win a you know, win any bidding war if
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Speaker 3: you've got a little bit more to throw in there.
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Speaker 3: But I think it's always going to come down to
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Speaker 3: you still have to be able to develop players, and.
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Speaker 2: Then you need to be able to retain the guys
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Speaker 2: you developed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the numb that seems to be one
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Speaker 3: of their main focuses, and I think that that's smart.
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Speaker 3: But you've got to have the right people in the building.
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Speaker 3: The more the right people you have in the building
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Speaker 3: to begin with, the easier it is. And I still
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Speaker 3: think it's going to come down to, you know, if
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Speaker 3: you got the raw material and now you've still got
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Speaker 3: to do the best you can with it. You can't
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Speaker 3: have sunk costs. You can't sign too many guys that
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Speaker 3: it turns out can't play.
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Speaker 2: Uh and and.
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Speaker 3: Some of the guys that some guys I'm sure you
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Speaker 3: signed and they're right there in between. You know, if
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Speaker 3: you do a good job with them, they'll be good.
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Speaker 3: If you don't, they won't be good. I mean, because
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Speaker 3: I mean to ramble a little bit. You know, we've
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Speaker 3: all you know, attributed Michigan to you know, money was
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Speaker 3: the key to their success. But I will say they
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Speaker 3: didn't just go out and sign an all star team.
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Speaker 3: A lot of those guys were more They had a
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Speaker 3: few of those guys that were more role players. They
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Speaker 3: played better at Michigan than they played at their previous stop.
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Speaker 3: So I don't I don't think that it was as
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Speaker 3: simple as hey, let's just go buy the five or
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Speaker 3: six best players we can find. There was still some
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Speaker 3: coaching that went on there, and obviously that's the best
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Speaker 3: case scenario that you not only win at all. But
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Speaker 3: I mean they had size, skill strength, they were well coached,
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Speaker 3: they were cohesive, and they dominated people, you know, So
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Speaker 3: so I think that's a fair highest bar. And obviously
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Speaker 3: Ohio State, you know, maybe there's even if you want
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Speaker 3: to try to be more like in Illinois or you know,
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Speaker 3: even Nebraska. I mean, I believe Nebraska spent some money
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Speaker 3: to get there. Rosher together. Again, we talked about in
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Speaker 3: the last video a lot of the good teams Ohio
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Speaker 3: State played.
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Speaker 2: You go Ohio State.
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Speaker 3: There's some room to improve the skill, but man, these
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Speaker 3: teams are all bigger and often more athletic. And then
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Speaker 3: Ohio State, you want to maybe that's where you start
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Speaker 3: to use the nil to make sure you're not already
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Speaker 3: too small when you walk into the gym, and then
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Speaker 3: it's up to you to coach.
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Speaker 2: Them up well.
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Speaker 1: And a couple of things I wanted to circle back
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Speaker 1: on real quick when you mentioned that the house money
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Speaker 1: is going up. One part of that is that the
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Speaker 1: total amount of house money just that is calculated as
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Speaker 1: twenty two percent of the average power for operating budget,
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Speaker 1: So that number is just going up a year over
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Speaker 1: year for everyone. The other thing is last year, due
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Speaker 1: to some weird accounting stuff, some of the new scholarship
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Speaker 1: money that Ohio State handed out last year counted against
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Speaker 1: their number. That was I think he said about two
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Speaker 1: and a half million dollars. So that is now that
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Speaker 1: now is off the books, So now that is money
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Speaker 1: that they can spend as well, so there is more
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Speaker 1: money in there. And what I thought was interesting was
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Speaker 1: he talked about to your point about development, he feels
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Speaker 1: like they have money enough money to be competitive there
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Speaker 1: because they have a coaching staff where they feel that
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Speaker 1: they've got a good coaching staff where it's not just
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Speaker 1: Jake Debriel, but they've brought in new staff, new assistants,
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Speaker 1: new strength and conditioning, all that kind of stuff. But
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Speaker 1: also to your point, roster retention, getting Amuri behind him back,
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Speaker 1: getting John Mobley back, those were really, really, really crucial.
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Speaker 1: You almost feel like you're starting from scratch every year,
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Speaker 1: so you almost count those as crucial additions, even though
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Speaker 1: they were internal retention. But also you bring in Anthony Thompson,
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Speaker 1: five star true freshman, you first five star they've had
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Speaker 1: in quite a while. And then you also bring in LJ.
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Speaker 1: Smith who is a five star as well, who enrolled
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Speaker 1: a year early. And I don't know exactly how that
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Speaker 1: impacted the bottom line, but you look.
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Speaker 2: At that much in the budget.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also, to your point, they've got size
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Speaker 1: this year. They have size that they have not had.
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Speaker 1: They brought in the transfer for Kentucky, You've got josh
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Speaker 1: A Genua who can potentially contribute this year. You've got
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Speaker 1: Yvonne n Govin. You sort of look at that and go,
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Speaker 1: is this going to be a team that you know?
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Speaker 1: Do they have the same resources that Yukon has? No?
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Speaker 2: Probably not.
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Speaker 1: Yukon's not spending on football what O highest state spending
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Speaker 1: at football? Not even close. But you look at that
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Speaker 1: and you look at the sort of general trend line
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Speaker 1: and you can sort of go, even without knowing the
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Speaker 1: exact numbers, I think to me, I kind of look
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Speaker 1: at that and go, yeah, I think they do probably
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Speaker 1: have at least probably middle of the big ten, if
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Speaker 1: not higher.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I you know, I think a long these
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Speaker 2: lines too.
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Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of fans that are that
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Speaker 3: are out on Jake Diebler, but I think the absolute
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Speaker 3: best case scenario that's realistic is it works out with Jake,
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Speaker 3: because Jake is not you're there, You're not breaking the
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Speaker 3: bank on your coach you. He's not gonna be, you know,
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Speaker 3: looking wandering driving the price up for himself. Now, maybe
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Speaker 3: he can't coach and maybe won't find that out in
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Speaker 3: the long run, but I think the best case scenario,
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Speaker 3: especially now you've got some sunk costs in there, whether
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Speaker 3: it was the right decision two years ago or not
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Speaker 3: is beside the point, because this is where we are.
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Speaker 3: The best case scenario is that it works out for him,
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Speaker 3: even if there were some growing pains the last couple
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Speaker 3: of years, because there's a guy who sat there yesterday
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Speaker 3: and talked about the history of the program, and he
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Speaker 3: understands it and values it, and he can genuinely sell
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Speaker 3: that to guys. And I think, I mean, maybe I'm
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Speaker 3: a sucker for nostalgia, but I do think there's something
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Speaker 3: to that. You need a little bit of the power
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Speaker 3: of the program to work in your favor in terms
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Speaker 3: of maximizing costs. And maybe again I'm sure it costs
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Speaker 3: less to retain Andrew Bynham then it would go to
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Speaker 3: buy a new brand Andrew Bynam, I'm Andrew sorry. And
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Speaker 3: the same thing with Mobiley and all these guys. You know,
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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's it all is one piece of
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Speaker 3: the puzzle, you know, if you got to and it
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Speaker 3: works the same way in football. The more guys you
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Speaker 3: can recruit and develop, the better. Uh. And it does
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Speaker 3: change a little bit of the yes, the feeling of it.
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Speaker 3: It's cool when you go out there and it's make
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Speaker 3: a big splash and bring in guys. But I think
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Speaker 3: from an Ohio state standpoint, the more guys they can
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Speaker 3: bring in the door and keep and then have a
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Speaker 3: budget to go out and get what they need, whether
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Speaker 3: those are superstar type guys or more likely, if you
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Speaker 3: could go out there and kind of fill in your rosters,
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Speaker 3: you know, find whoever's in the four through eight in
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Speaker 3: the rotation, you can maximize that. I mean, I really
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Speaker 3: think it's not like their previous portal hauls. I don't
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Speaker 3: how many. They haven't hardly had any big name portal guys.
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Speaker 3: But the guys they brought in that should be bench guys,
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Speaker 3: in depth guys or role guys, hardly any of them
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Speaker 3: have panned out at all. You know, the battle would
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Speaker 3: would be an exception, I suppose, But most of them,
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Speaker 3: it's not like they've They've made these big free agent
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Speaker 3: signings and they haven't worked out. I mean, they brought
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Speaker 3: in things that that really it's a matter of scouting
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Speaker 3: and fit, and that's what has not worked out. So
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Speaker 3: you know, you work, you look at maybe they're learning
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Speaker 3: some things with that, uh and and it will work
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Speaker 3: out this year. But I guess what I'm saying is
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Speaker 3: the flip side of that is if those guys don't,
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Speaker 3: I mean, Justin Pippen needs to work out, But if
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Speaker 3: the other guys, it's like, well, I guess they can
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Speaker 3: live without being a major hit on those other things
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Speaker 3: because they did have this core in place that we
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Speaker 3: sort of overlooked a little because of the way narratives
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Speaker 3: kind of dominate the season last year and the.
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Speaker 2: Way it started and the way it went in the middle.
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Speaker 3: And then it was good there for a couple of
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Speaker 3: weeks and then you you know, kind of a sour
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Speaker 3: taste in your mouth from that way that incident A
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Speaker 3: tournament game played out.
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Speaker 2: So it's a you.
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Speaker 3: Know, it's interesting and there's a lot of things kind
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Speaker 3: of congealing when you look at the basketball program.
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Speaker 2: But I think in general, now you have to.
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Speaker 3: Like what you're hearing, especially, you know, if you're being
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Speaker 3: realistic in expecting them to say, Okay, is this a program?
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Speaker 3: They should be in the top twenty all year?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they should. Should they will they win
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Speaker 2: the Big Ten?
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Speaker 3: I don't know about that, But should they be in
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Speaker 3: the top quarter of the Big ten?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think they should. I mean, they were right there
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Speaker 3: last year. It's not everything, let's face it. I mean,
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Speaker 3: they had some bad luck last year. They weren't completely healthy,
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Speaker 3: and it looks like this year healthy. Never know what's
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Speaker 3: going to happen, But I mean, I think the roster,
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Speaker 3: the ceiling is certainly higher on this roster. And I
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Speaker 3: think there was a feeling when the portal stuff all
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Speaker 3: shook out in the first place that that maybe that
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Speaker 3: wasn't the case, But that was mostly because you're looking
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Speaker 3: at there were a few big name signings that they
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Speaker 3: were in on and they didn't make I think if
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Speaker 3: you evaluate it now, especially if LJ. Smith really becomes
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Speaker 3: a guy who gives you fifteen good minutes a night
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Speaker 3: or something like that, I think you've got to feel
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Speaker 3: like this is a better roster, especially if some of
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Speaker 3: these everybody who's back really should have room to improve too.
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Speaker 1: And the last thing, speaking of retention and not going
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Speaker 1: out and getting the new shiny thing, the future of
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Speaker 1: the building right behind us there the shot in Steen Center.
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Speaker 1: They send out a survey to fans, and I think
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Speaker 1: people were sort of looking at that and going, does
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Speaker 1: this mean they're getting a new building? Sounds like the
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Speaker 1: answers no, but they are investing quite a bit into
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Speaker 1: that building to try and make it as you know,
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Speaker 1: as good a venue for basketball as it can be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean yes, I mean what he
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Speaker 3: said is, yeah, well we're gonna try. But it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: I mean it's impossible. It's literally not possible to make
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Speaker 3: that a good basketball arena unless it's full and people
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Speaker 3: are cheering, which we know now for twenty five years
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Speaker 3: that's not going to happen very often. Because even some
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Speaker 3: of the better teams, really attendance wasn't very good. I
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Speaker 3: thought it was where he said it if we got
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Speaker 3: between twelve and sixteen, it can be a good atmosphere,
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Speaker 3: which I think is blatantly false based on every time
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Speaker 3: I've been to the Shotenstein Center, except for if they
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Speaker 3: were playing like the undefeated number one team in the
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Speaker 3: country and trying to knock them off.
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Speaker 2: But it is what it is. Again, they're not going
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Speaker 2: to build a new arena.
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Speaker 3: They're not going to do what I think they should
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Speaker 3: do and put one hundred million dollars into reviving Saint
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Speaker 3: John Arena instead and just use that for concerts and things,
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Speaker 3: which is what it's built for.
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Speaker 2: Though it's not that good for concerts either.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they can get Disney on ice to
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Speaker 3: come that much more often than it already comes.
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Speaker 2: But yes, I mean, obviously it's good that they're making
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Speaker 2: an effort.
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Speaker 3: I mean part of it is I don't think the
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Speaker 3: game management and the way that they game manage fans,
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Speaker 3: I don't think.
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Speaker 2: That helps it all.
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Speaker 3: I know, some of that's a money making thing and
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Speaker 3: some of it's like, well, I guess that's what we do,
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Speaker 3: so we have to keep doing it.
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Speaker 2: Obviously.
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Speaker 3: The number one thing is you need to have a
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Speaker 3: good team and you can have a little bit of
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Speaker 3: a of a chicken or the egg thing.
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Speaker 2: I mean my perception.
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Speaker 3: I was a student there when it was a new arena,
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Speaker 3: and I thought the atmosphere was still really good and
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Speaker 3: like two and o three and then but by five
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Speaker 3: we were already kind of walking around saying, man, this
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Speaker 3: play sucks. You know, right up until that Illinois game,
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Speaker 3: which was obviously awesome, but again it was the last
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Speaker 3: game of the season.
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Speaker 2: It was dramatic game. They were the undefeated team going.
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Speaker 3: So it's kind of always been a silly argument, and
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Speaker 3: really nothing has improved. Even moving the students around, I
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Speaker 3: don't think has helped has really had much impact at all.
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Speaker 3: So it kind of is what it is from my perspective.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a mechanical issue with the building. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't retain sound. There's could be more sound to be
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Speaker 3: retained that would help. I think that's the number one
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Speaker 3: thing that will fix it. But I mean there's there's
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Speaker 3: just a certain ceiling there that that is what it is.
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Speaker 3: I will also say, as much as I'm the lead
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Speaker 3: hater of the Hate, the number one member of the Hate,
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Speaker 3: the Shotenstein Center Club, all the stuff outside the basketball
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Speaker 3: arena part. I mean that what they've done with the
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Speaker 3: concourse and all that is nice, but there's just only
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Speaker 3: so much you can do with what they've got to
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Speaker 3: work with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are putting a bunch of money into
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Speaker 1: it this year. They are redoing the roof this this year.
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Speaker 1: They're putting up new scoreboard, new video boards in the
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Speaker 1: upper corners, new ribbon board. They did some stuff with
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Speaker 1: the lighting last year, so they are, you know, they
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Speaker 1: have made an effort to try and improve the game,
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Speaker 1: game environment, game setup, which again you're you're working within
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Speaker 1: the confines you got and he sort of acknowledged that
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Speaker 1: as well. It's never going to be Cameron Indoor Stadium.
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Speaker 1: But I think they're they're making an effort to make
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Speaker 1: it a better environment, and if the team is better
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Speaker 1: on the floor, that's going to make it better too.
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Speaker 2: But how many time out promotions do they do in Duke.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they do a lot.
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Speaker 3: I've never because I truly think that that is a
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Speaker 3: huge part of it, is that they basically make people
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Speaker 3: get quiet so that they can play these games and
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Speaker 3: things like that. And it's not Triple A Baseball, it's
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Speaker 3: you know, Major basketball for the men and the women.
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Speaker 3: The women I think have a better and I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, ceiling off the top, because when I started
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Speaker 3: covering the women, they did not do that, and they
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Speaker 3: would occasionally they would have people in the upper deck.
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Speaker 3: But you can still have you know, I think that it.
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Speaker 2: I think they have.
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Speaker 3: Improved the the the atmosphere there a little bit, but
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Speaker 3: again it's pretty much dependent on how how much people
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Speaker 3: are cheering and they have instat a tournament game there,
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Speaker 3: it still can be quiet as a mouse when they're
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Speaker 3: and again, you know, it comes back to you again,
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Speaker 3: it's really a physical problem, mostly with the building. I
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Speaker 3: was covering the first four this year and Sean Miller,
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Speaker 3: who you know, was talking about, well, what makes Udi
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Speaker 3: Arena is unique from newer builds voting just because it
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Speaker 3: reverberates the sound. I mean it's made out of concrete
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Speaker 3: and it's not as big and it's not as cavernous,
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Speaker 3: and the sound just reverberates.
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Speaker 2: Well, you don't get that there.
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Speaker 3: I mean I used to when I was a student,
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Speaker 3: I helped out with women's volleyball, and it was that
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Speaker 3: they played it still is played at Saint John and
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Speaker 3: you'd have a few. I mean, probably less than a
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Speaker 3: thousand people. I'm not sure, but the band started going
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Speaker 3: and everybody cheering, and it was pretty loud. It was
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Speaker 3: pretty rocken, you know what I mean. So so it's
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Speaker 3: that's partly the building as and it kind of is
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Speaker 3: what it is.
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Speaker 2: But I guess we'll see.
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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe, well maybe they will take my genius
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Speaker 3: advice and because they're gonna waste one hundred million dollars
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Speaker 3: on a basketball arena anyway, put it on the good
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Speaker 3: arena and go from there.
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Speaker 2: But I guess that's a whole nother show.
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Speaker 1: That is a whole nother show. Don't worry, we got
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Speaker 1: plenty of time for those other shows. We will solve
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State basketball atmosphere issue, will solve the future
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Speaker 1: of the Ohio State basketball arena issue.
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Speaker 2: We got plenty of shows to do that.
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Speaker 1: That's it for now. Your update on sort of Ohio
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Speaker 1: States resource allocation into basketball, whether that's sufficient for them
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Speaker 1: to compete of the shot and scene center, all that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So there you go. It's a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a bonus episode for you want to do.
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Speaker 1: Let you share that information with you. We'll be having
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