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Bonus Episode: Bob Weir, Bohemian Grove, more Orion, and First-Gen Punks · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get from one full episode
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  Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard, to dig into
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  Speaker 1: the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront
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  Speaker 1: the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're discussing the passing of the Grateful Debts Bob. We're
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  Speaker 1: in the long, strange weirdness of his affiliation with Bohemian Grove.
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  Speaker 1: We talked Johnny Thunders in first wave punk and get
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  Speaker 1: into your emails, comments, dms, and as always a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of This is the podcast for the musically obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best
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  Speaker 1: history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where
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  Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind
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  Speaker 1: you'll end up telling someone else. All Right, this goes,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into it. Grateful dead guitarist Bob Weird died
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  Speaker 1: since the last time we spoke. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: eulogize him here. You can get plenty of that elsewhere
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  Speaker 1: and by people who's grateful. Dead fandom honestly runs a
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  Speaker 1: lot deeper than mine. But I will say that in
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  Speaker 1: all of my research, in everything that I've read, every
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  Speaker 1: person I've ever spoken to about the band, including one
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  Speaker 1: dead associate, who could only really be closer to the
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  Speaker 1: band if you were in the band. That's how close
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  Speaker 1: he was. In all all that, I never came across
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  Speaker 1: a shred of credible information that painted Bob Weir as
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  Speaker 1: a bad guy. And believe me, my rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: dirt bag antenna is pretty finely tuned, as you know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it's safe to say that in an
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  Speaker 1: industry filled with feral animals, most of whom are driven
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  Speaker 1: by insatiable IDs, and for whom kindness and selflessness are
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes in short supply, I think it's safe to say
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  Speaker 1: that Bob Weir was one of the good guys. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not suggesting the man was perfect, none of us are.
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  Speaker 1: Bob was the baby of the group. He was just seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: He's seventeen years old. Imagine that seventeen when he joined
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  Speaker 1: the band, he stayed in that band his whole life.
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  Speaker 1: Back then, they were known as Mother mccree's Uptown jug
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  Speaker 1: Champions before famously changing their name to The Grateful Dead,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe being the youngest had something to do with
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  Speaker 1: Bob playing the straight man to Jerry Garcia's far out,
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  Speaker 1: improv and sometimes personal, unhinged liberation. But Bob Weir was
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  Speaker 1: still a member of one of, if not the greatest
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  Speaker 1: and strangest American rock and roll bands of all time,
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  Speaker 1: a band that lived and died by its own DIY
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  Speaker 1: code of artistic and personal freedom, freedom at all costs.
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  Speaker 1: My point is that though Bob Weir was the group's
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  Speaker 1: straight man, he was still a member of the Grateful Dead,
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  Speaker 1: which is why this whole Bohemian Grove affiliation with Bob
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  Speaker 1: always struck me as being just so weird, so strange.
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  Speaker 1: Now I've resisted this story for years, but now might
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  Speaker 1: be the time that I dive in not to capitalize
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  Speaker 1: on Bob's death. By the time I'm done researching and
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  Speaker 1: releasing this story, a handful of other influential artists musicians
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  Speaker 1: will likely have passed, so it's clearly not it. The
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  Speaker 1: real reason is to find out what the hell was
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  Speaker 1: actually going on. Now, if you aren't familiar with Bohemian
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  Speaker 1: Grove and you start researching it on the Internet, you're
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  Speaker 1: likely going to run across some descriptions to paint a
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  Speaker 1: picture of just a simple social club for ultra connected,
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  Speaker 1: rich right wing dudes from CIA families, from the prep
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  Speaker 1: school in the Age of America. And you might also
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  Speaker 1: run into some folks who think Bohemian Grove is the
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  Speaker 1: Illuminatis headquarters. It's the legacy of Alistair Crowley and the
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  Speaker 1: keeper of all Things Bear Olesley, and of mk ultra's
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  Speaker 1: dark as Secrets. Bohemian Grove is a target rich subject
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  Speaker 1: for conspiracy theorists, which I have to admit both repels
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  Speaker 1: and compels me. But either way you can't get around
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  Speaker 1: Bob Weir's involvement, his affiliation, his membership. Now, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make him a member of the Illuminati, but it does
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  Speaker 1: beg the question why was the guitarist for The Grateful
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  Speaker 1: Dead hanging out with Donald Rumsfeld? Okay? The Bohemian Club
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  Speaker 1: is a private San Francisco based club that owns and
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  Speaker 1: operates Bohemian Grove, about seventy five miles north of the city.
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  Speaker 1: The club hosts one yearly retreat. But this is a
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  Speaker 1: retreat whose members are exclusively rich wealthy, actually not rich wealthy,
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  Speaker 1: let's be clear, and of America's old guard ruling class.
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  Speaker 1: These are pre globalism titans think twentieth century, not twenty
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  Speaker 1: first century. Pre Davos e global economic influence back when
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  Speaker 1: white waspy dudes with Ivy League pedigrees that stretch back
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  Speaker 1: to the First World War and beyond when those dudes
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  Speaker 1: still ran everything. Bohemian Grove is for dudes who started
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  Speaker 1: the OSS, which became the CIA. Okay, these are the
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  Speaker 1: types of people who were hanging out at Boian Grove. Again,
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  Speaker 1: Bob weird and Bohemian Groove is also coase without saying probably.
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  Speaker 1: It's also super white, hardly any Jews as members or blacks,
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  Speaker 1: super waspy, Protestant, decidedly not Catholic. It's rumored that Edward
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  Speaker 1: Teller planned the Manhattan Project at Bohemian Grove. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven. Richard Nixon kicked off his sixty eight campaign
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  Speaker 1: informally by giving a talk at Bohemian Grove and Nixon
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  Speaker 1: was later caught on one of his Oval office tapes
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  Speaker 1: describing Bohemian Grove as quote the most faggy, goddamn thing
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  Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. Unquote more on that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: And the retreats at Bohemian Grove they produce their own entertainment. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen The Good Shepherd,
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  Speaker 1: the Robert De Niro Matt Damon movie about the CIA
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  Speaker 1: and the origins of the CIA, but there is this
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  Speaker 1: retreat kind of big set piece scene that happens in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning and come back to it in the end,
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  Speaker 1: and there are these skits, these men who dress up
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  Speaker 1: in drag, and they do these songs and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's exactly the type of thing I've read that
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  Speaker 1: describes the entertainment ongoings at Bohemian Grove, where you know,
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  Speaker 1: the members put on skits and musical numbers, and these men,
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  Speaker 1: being of the early twentieth century vintage, most of the
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  Speaker 1: humor is, you know, it derides homosexuals, and it's just, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's silly, very silly. And because of that regressive silliness,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it supports Nixon's comments that were going on
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  Speaker 1: tape that I just read to you that a heavy
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  Speaker 1: contingent of Bohemian Grove members for that retreat week. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say the the rumors are that they exercise
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  Speaker 1: their curiosity. Okay. Now, that's not to say the Bohemian
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  Speaker 1: Grove is the least bit, for it's not not in
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  Speaker 1: any way. In fact, it is decidedly conservative. One rumor
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  Speaker 1: claims it. Back in the nineteen seventies, the Grove employed
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  Speaker 1: an actual member of the Nazi Party, one who drove
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  Speaker 1: a company jeep around the grounds transporting guests with urn
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  Speaker 1: Rommel sticker proudly displayed on the vehicle until President Ford,
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  Speaker 1: of all people, made him remove the Nazi sticker. Now,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not the Bohemian Grove employee was an actual
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  Speaker 1: Nazi that remains a matter of debate. But the sticker
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  Speaker 1: was real, and Ford made the Grove employee remove the
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  Speaker 1: Nazi paraphernalia, that is not disputed. All of this begs
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  Speaker 1: the question what the hell was Bob Weir doing at
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  Speaker 1: this place with Mickey Hart from The Grateful Dead as
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  Speaker 1: well as late as two thousand and nine, probably later,
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  Speaker 1: even I need to do more research to find out
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  Speaker 1: again two thousand and nine after performing benefit concerts to
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  Speaker 1: raise money for Barack Obama in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove is where America's past powerbrokers, the dudes who
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  Speaker 1: brought you en Ron Halliburton, WMDs, MK, Ultra Operation Mockingbird,
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  Speaker 1: in a mountain of other bullshit, this is where these
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  Speaker 1: dudes hung out. This is where these dudes came together
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  Speaker 1: once a year. Now, if you believe the conspiracy theorists,
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  Speaker 1: and I most certainly don't, let's be clear. The Bohemian
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  Speaker 1: Grove retreats. This is where robed figures and hoods set
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  Speaker 1: fire to effigies. This is Look. I know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to paint the picture of conspiracy theorists, but that little
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  Speaker 1: bit I just read you the road figures in hoods
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  Speaker 1: setting fire to effigies. That actually happened. It's on video, okay.
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  Speaker 1: But sacrifices, human sacrifices, all kinds of other stuff, wild,
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  Speaker 1: wild theories, praying to some ancient god named Mallick. How
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  Speaker 1: much of this is true? How much of this is
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  Speaker 1: just some weird prep school skull and bone shit meant
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  Speaker 1: to make old rich dudes feel me sterious I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: But either way, I repeat, what was Bob Weir doing
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  Speaker 1: with these dudes? Was he an actual Satanist as has
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  Speaker 1: been suggested? Was he into child sacrifice? Was was he
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  Speaker 1: og all seeing Illuminati? I don't think so. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: and no. But when asked about Bohemian Grove throughout his life,
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  Speaker 1: Bob Weir was, let's just say, purposefully vague, especially when
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  Speaker 1: he addressed these comments back in twenty twenty two. In
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  Speaker 1: vague is putting it charitably. There's an interview that you
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  Speaker 1: can find where We're online, where Bob's on video spitting
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  Speaker 1: out some gobblygook about community, the community of Bohemian Grove,
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  Speaker 1: and he's also pretty disingenuous when he's describing the types
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  Speaker 1: of people who hang out at Bohemian Grove, it's members,
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  Speaker 1: making it seem like most of the Bohemian Grove members
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  Speaker 1: have some sort of quote unquote artistic bent. They don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean some do, but they're very much in the minority.
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  Speaker 1: Although I did find out that there's typically a fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year waiting list to join Bohemian Grove, but that artistic
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  Speaker 1: types and entertainers get fast tracked to membership. The Bohemian Grove,
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  Speaker 1: the retreat over two thy menut of ten, and you
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  Speaker 1: got to know this part the lodging is divided up
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  Speaker 1: into different camps, just like you know a summer camp
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  Speaker 1: would be. And to hear Bob Weird tell it, it
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  Speaker 1: says if he was sitting by a campfire trading songs
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  Speaker 1: with Steve Miller while Mickey Hart played the bongos, but
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  Speaker 1: in reality, Mickey Hart was slash is for all we know,
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  Speaker 1: part of the Bohemian Grove camp called the Hillbillies. That
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  Speaker 1: camp also housed Donald Rumsfeld when Rumsfeld was alive and
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  Speaker 1: when Mickey was attending. Presumably he's not anywhere. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know Bob Weir was in a camp called the Rattlers,
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  Speaker 1: and I haven't been able to figure out yet. I've
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  Speaker 1: been able to find in the research which Boldface Neo
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  Speaker 1: Khn names, if any, that Bob Weir was camped up with.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless, this is so perplexing and it's great music
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  Speaker 1: history counterpoint. It's kind of mysterious, and I am fascinated
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  Speaker 1: by it. Am I judging Bob Weir for his involvement
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  Speaker 1: in this secret society with some of the most ghoulish
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  Speaker 1: power brokers in American history, Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld specifically, No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I actually think more highly of them for it,
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  Speaker 1: for reasons that I guess I'll get into when I
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  Speaker 1: write my Bob Weir episode and fully explore the mystery
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  Speaker 1: of Bohemian Grove. Bob Weir, an American original if there
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  Speaker 1: ever was one, Rest in peace. I'm barely scratching the
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  Speaker 1: surface here when it comes to the theories about what the
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  Speaker 1: men in the woods were up to. The Bohemian Grove
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are nuts, and Zeth and I are going
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear from all y'all on what Well? Last week
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about a couple different things. I cued
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  Speaker 1: up this question about first generation punk bands, which we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get to, but we also talked about o'riyan, the
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  Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, the masked Elvis Presley impersonator, and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of you really want to talk about this, so let's
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  Speaker 1: hear what you have to say.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, Then from the eighth three, I actually had
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  Speaker 4: to pause the episode because I was about to bust
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  Speaker 4: because you guys landed on one of my favorite subjects.
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  Speaker 4: A little background grew up, like a lot of us did,
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  Speaker 4: with a mom who was absolutely obsessed with Elvis. Me personally,
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  Speaker 4: I love the seventies Elvis, from the early ten days
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  Speaker 4: in Las Vegas to the old blood that Elvison. It
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  Speaker 4: was kind of embarrassing, but anyway, long story short. My
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  Speaker 4: uncle was a professional recruiter for the Navy. So he's
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  Speaker 4: in Pensacola, Florida in the late eighties early nineties, somewhere
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  Speaker 4: along in the air, sitting in a bar on a
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  Speaker 4: recruiting trip. This lady comes up, but it's basically one
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  Speaker 4: of those hay sailor, can you buy me a drink
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  Speaker 4: kind of thing. It's Gail Brewer Georgio. So she starts
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  Speaker 4: telling him all this stuff as Seth was discussing about
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  Speaker 4: not being able to get the book published and all
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: this kind of stuff. So that of course started me
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  Speaker 4: down a rabbit hole. I found a copy of the book.
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  Speaker 4: I read the book. It was obviously Elvis, and she
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  Speaker 4: later admits that she wrote the book just after Elvis died.
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  Speaker 4: I believe inspired by the whole thing. There's a dug
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  Speaker 4: into it. I listened to all those is Elvis alive,
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  Speaker 4: It's set days that were rolling around back then, all
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  Speaker 4: that good stuff. But anyway, I kind of put it
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  Speaker 4: out of my mind that there is an amazing documentary
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  Speaker 4: that I purchased through Amazon Prime Video that I have
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  Speaker 4: digitally and it's called Orion. A man who would be
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: King gives you the whole story of Jimmy Ellis, and
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  Speaker 4: you know how he got lumped into this thing is
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: you know, he was an entertainer. He didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: be this guy, but money's money, right. Anyway, It's a
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  Speaker 4: great documentary and there's a little fact at the end
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to bring up yet because you know,
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  Speaker 4: hopefully you guys can check it out that was very
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  Speaker 4: surprising but also makes a hell of a lot of sense. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: I know this is getting a little long, so you
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  Speaker 4: guys have a great day. To keep it up. Rock rolla, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Ado three, thanks for your voicemail. I have seen
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  Speaker 1: this Amazon Prime video that you're discussing. Most of it. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I did not finish it. I didn't get to the end,
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  Speaker 1: so I have not gotten to the part that you're
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  Speaker 1: teasing here. But I think what you're teasing out is
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  Speaker 1: that there's some factual evidence supporting the idea that o'rian
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  Speaker 1: was the child of Vernon Presley and thus Elvis's step brother.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where you're going. Call me back and
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  Speaker 1: let me know. Guys, at this point, I think it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: safe to say that I'm absolutely doing an Orion episode
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  Speaker 1: at some point in Disgraceland, probably not for a bit.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of other subjects I'm excited to
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  Speaker 1: dive into. Let's hear from the seven one four.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jay, there's a Junius from the seven one four.
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  Speaker 5: I got a movie recommendation for you. Just listening to
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  Speaker 5: your last chapter party about Elvis and Orian. There's a
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  Speaker 5: movie from two thousand and two starring Bruce Campbell called
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  Speaker 5: Bubba Hotech. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
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  Speaker 5: Elvis in a convalescent home, an African American JFK fighting
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  Speaker 5: a mommy that looks like Michael Jackson. Really fun, have
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  Speaker 5: an open mind, enjoy yourself. Hope you watch it. Take it.
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  Speaker 5: He's the Jake. Thanks for doing what you're doing there.
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  Speaker 1: Seven to one four. I'm sure we all have this
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  Speaker 1: experience where these are there are these movies in our
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  Speaker 1: lives that we've known about for years and that we're
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  Speaker 1: very excited to watch, But for some reason, we never
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  Speaker 1: get our lazy asses around to it, and that is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely the case with Bruce Campbell and Bubba Hotep. Is
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  Speaker 1: how you say it, Bubba Hotep, thank you for reminding me,
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  Speaker 1: my friend. I will dive into this and I will
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  Speaker 1: get back to you with my thoughts. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be more gris for the Orion mill I can
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  Speaker 1: tell already. Seven one four appreciate you six one, seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six, six, six three eight. You guys want
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  Speaker 1: We're looking for answers to the question which female artists
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  Speaker 1: you want to hear covered in Disgraceland in the next
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  Speaker 1: few seasons. Six one seven, nine oh six, six, six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. Give us a call after you check out
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  Speaker 1: that Runaways episode coming your way on Tuesday and let
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  Speaker 1: us know your answers to your recommendations. We've got a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: new episode on Johnny Thunders, of course from the New
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: York Dolls, and that prompted the question which first generation
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  Speaker 1: punk bands are your face and do you think we're
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  Speaker 1: the most influential seven to one nine rights in first
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  Speaker 1: gen punk artists the jam They may be a bit
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  Speaker 1: too tasteful for some people's definition, but you included talking
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  Speaker 1: Heads in your description, and I submit them because they
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  Speaker 1: weren't as big in the USA as many others. Seven
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  Speaker 1: one nine. I think you're onto something here. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Jam's influence, especially on UK bands, is massive, and
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  Speaker 1: especially as you get into the britpop era, the Jam's influence,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Weller's influence huge, and they often are overlooked when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about first generation punk, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: has something to do with just how dynamic of a band.
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  Speaker 1: They were similar to the Talking Heads, not saying they
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: were similar in style to the Talking Heads, but they
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: were more than punk. They had this whole R and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: B soul, northern soeul thing going on. And you can
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely hear and see their influence on not just punk,
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  Speaker 1: but on rock and roll throughout the eighties and the nineties.
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  Speaker 1: And I love this answer. Seven to one to nine.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for getting in touch with us. Let's check out
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  Speaker 1: the four to one six four one six is writing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in response to our Chet Baker archive episode that we
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  Speaker 1: released four one six rites and Hey, I'm reading Patti
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  Speaker 1: Smith's latest memoir, Bread of Angels, and she recounts that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: when she was making her first album at Electric Ladies Studios,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: she tried to hire Chet Baker to play on a track,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but their budget couldn't afford his feet. This is like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. You think Chet would have been happy
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  Speaker 1: just to play on any album at that point. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: also believe that his rendition of Almost Blue by Elvis Costello,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: which is in the Let's Get Lost documentary, is the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: greatest male jazz vocal ever recorded, and I will die
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: on that hill. Let's Get Lost by Bruce Weber is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite films of all time. And yes
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I said favorite film, not just favorite documentary. Four one six.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for this. I had no idea about the Patti
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  Speaker 1: Smith Chet Baker anecdote that you mentioned, and I love
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  Speaker 1: that story. I can see Jimmy Ivan right now just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: getting frustrated with Chet's management and just hanging up the
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  Speaker 1: phone on them. Yes, Let's Get Lost, It's just it's
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful film. It's fantastic, and I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: The performance of Almost Blue is something special, man, It
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  Speaker 1: really truly is. The Elvis version doesn't sell out you either.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. Nine one seven, right, San, I think New
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  Speaker 1: York Dolls are my favorite punk band. Iggy is beyond
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: punk as well as Velven Underground. I lived a few
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  Speaker 1: blocks from CBGB, but sadly didn't spend much time there
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  Speaker 1: between two thousand and two and two thousand and seven.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I remember the hits from the New York Dolls, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: did not appreciate them enough until I read Please Kill Me.
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  Speaker 1: I think that book also deserves an episode because it
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  Speaker 1: really should answer your question, certainly in the question being
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  Speaker 1: you know what's the most influential first gen punk band,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: certainly as it applies to punk rather than rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: I may express more of these thoughts on Twitter. I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: due to make a music video meme. Okay, this is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: nine one seven nine one seven. Thank you. I read
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the rest of your text, obviously to myself, not on air,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree with you that Repo Man should be
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: an episode, maybe an episode of Hollywoodland. I'm not sure
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: on Please Kill Me. I read Please Kill Me after
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  Speaker 1: my first son was born, and it hit me. I
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  Speaker 1: could tell when I was reading it that it hit
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  Speaker 1: me in a way that was different had I read
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  Speaker 1: it before my first child was born, and that experience
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: was just a couple months before coming up with the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: idea for Disgraceland. And I think that Please Kill Me.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: The book had a direct impact on me creating this show,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: so I'm forever in debt to Leg's McNeil. I've gone
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: back to that book a couple times in our research.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: It's fantastic and if anybody has not read Please Kill Me,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: go for it. It's out there. You can find it everywhere,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and it is a great document of punk rock, written
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: by co written by the dude who literally invented the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: term punk and it's a fantastic oral history of punk
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  Speaker 1: in New York. It's great, great text, great voicemails This
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  Speaker 1: week guys six one seven nine, six, six, six three
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  Speaker 1: get in touch, we'll be back right after this. All right, guys,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: welcome back. We are here making it happen. In the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: bonus episode, I want to shout out some of the
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• 24:53
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  Speaker 1: just a handful of the new members of the disco community,
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  Speaker 1: Everybody from the team here is psyched to have you
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  Speaker 1: and all the other new members as well. We've had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of new membership over the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think part of that is due to
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we have this, like I said, this
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  Speaker 1: This film should be played loud where once a month
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  Speaker 1: we are going to buy wem Me and my colleague,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Zeth Lundy, We're going to sit down. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to dissect you know, basically, you know, the one of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: our favorite things in the world, which is great music
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: in great films, the soundtracks, the needle drops, the scoring.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Last month we covered Goodfellas. This month we are covering
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  Speaker 1: Train Spotting. We recorded it last night, filmed it, I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: should say, and what a fantastic movie. The music in
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this movie is obviously so important, so impactful, not just
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  Speaker 1: for the film but culturally, and really I really realized
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  Speaker 1: in going back to Train Spotting, similar to one of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the one of you guys texted us earlier, I read
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  Speaker 1: the text about Legs McNeil's Please Kill Me, and maybe
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just in this headspace. But in train spotting and
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  Speaker 1: going back and watching it and watching the voice and
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  Speaker 1: experiencing uh McGregor's vo with the soundtrack that's happening, in
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  Speaker 1: the way the writing works, with all of it, I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: realized how influential that movie has been on me as
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a as a creative person, and how I just sort
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of fell into making Disgraceland. The way that we made it,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the production of it, the writing of it, the structure
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of it, the presentation of it, all of it in
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  Speaker 1: a way it goes to this film been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of nineties films that are that were made in a
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  Speaker 1: similar fashion, and that was all. I never thought about
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  Speaker 1: that before until we dove back into this movie to
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  Speaker 1: nothing to watch the rest of this winter, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his team just you know, I don't know what happened there,
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  Speaker 1: shout out to the y insurers as well. That was
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a horrible way to go out the other night in Pittsburgh,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: thinking to you guys. Now, earlier we were talking Bob Weir,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we were talking Bohemian Grove, and we're going to continue
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: talking Bohemian growth specifically. You know, I mentioned some of
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracies involving Bohemian Grove, the sort of like you know,
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  Speaker 1: eyes wide shut of politics, I guess you could call it.
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  Speaker 1: And let's not rule out sex. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sex involved in these conspiracies as well. And just you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: powerbrokers in the woods left to their own devices, doing
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: weird shit, making the world run on their weirdness. That's
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. We're about to get out of here. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: You know we mentioned, I don't know, we mentioned a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: bunch of artists who we have episodes on. We have
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: over two hundred and fifty five episodes. Probably keep saying
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: two hundred fifty five, it's probably about two seventy five
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: at this point. It's a lot. And we do have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: two Grateful Dead episodes. Okay. The first one was instantly
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: when I wrote it, one of my favorite episodes because
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it brought me in to the Grateful Dead as a fan.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan before I got into the research
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  Speaker 1: at all. In fact, I was actively actively.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Not a fan.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: You can interpret that however you want, But if you
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: want a good sort of bedrock foundation of understanding of
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the types of dudes that the Grateful Dead were connected
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: with back in the sixties, and how and how those
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: connections might have easily transferred into a bohemian growth membership,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you got to listen to this episode, it'll all start
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to make sense, it'll start to click in for you.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And then with the second episode we did, which was
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: years later, when I was researching the Dead the first
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: time part of the research, I just found it really
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: kind of, I don't know, adorable, their youth when they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in pre Grateful Dead phase. And I actually had this idea.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, what if they had like
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a Grateful Dead cartoon that was like Muppet Babies, but
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it was Jerry and Phil and Bob And it was like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know, Bill, all those dudes, but like way early,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and they all have their own unique personalities and they're
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: all exaggerated for the cartoon version.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Of the Dead.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And I never pitched it to anyone, thank god, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it really got me seriously thinking about the Dead's origin story,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: which is less dark than their nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: eighties story, and it's connected to a period of music history,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of old timey Americana world that I love
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and that actually is pretty dark in a different way.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And we centered that whole telling of history around pig Pen,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: who passed away in the nineteen seventies, the first member
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: of the Dead to die. Anyways, both those episodes are
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  Speaker 1: available and you got to check them out. Matt will
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: have the episode information in the show notes section of
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  Speaker 1: this after party. All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this week's new episode on Johnny Thunders is available for
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  Speaker 1: you right now. Got a rewind episode coming up on
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  Speaker 1: the MC five that's happening right after this bonus episode.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Next week's new episode is on the Runaways. We are
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: looking for your recommendations on which female artists we should cover.
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  Speaker 1: Get in touch six one seven nine oh six sixty
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  Speaker 1: Number four is Deeth is going up some awesomeness in
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  Speaker 1: film should be played loud. We have an episode right
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  Speaker 1: new episode on Train Spotting will be available in I
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  Speaker 1: guess a week and a half something like that. Six
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  Speaker 1: p one seven nine oh six, six six three eight. Again,
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  Speaker 1: your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of
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  Speaker 1: music history. So keep calling, keep texting, keep giving us
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  Speaker 1: your answers. To this week's question of the week or
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  Speaker 1: just you know, whatever else you want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for a number seven. Don't forget this goes.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and the crime and grime that ties them all together
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Bob Weird passed away just a few days ago, January tenth,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Here's what America was listening to on
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  Speaker 1: that day. Number one, The Fate of Ophelia Taylor Swift
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