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2022 NFL Draft Recap: Day 1 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the two NFL Draft Recap Podcast. Our draft
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Speaker 1: coverage on Jaguars dot Com is presented by a Cadillac
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Speaker 1: Jap Shadrick Fuck you Brooks, Ashlan Sullivan, John Osian wrapping
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Speaker 1: up round one and what a day, what a night
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Speaker 1: it was with the Jacksonville Jaguars. The number one overall
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Speaker 1: pick Trayvon Walker, the number twenty seven overall pick Devin Lloyd. Defense, Defense, Defense,
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Speaker 1: John Trayvon Walker. Let's start with that one up front,
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Speaker 1: number one, just overall, it surprised me. You could not
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Speaker 1: expect Trayvon to a degree. I didn't expect the combination
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Speaker 1: of two. I didn't expect them to go uh defense
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Speaker 1: so hard. It's an interesting approach because some people believe
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Speaker 1: you can build a defense in free agency quickly. They
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Speaker 1: have chosen to go physical, versatile. Up front, Trayvon Walker, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, the storyline with him is gonna be obvious.
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Speaker 1: Will the NFL production exceed the college production? And will
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Speaker 1: all of the potential which is vast uh be fulfilled?
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Speaker 1: And to me, that's the storyline for the first couple
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Speaker 1: of years this kid's career. Look, no, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think obviously that's gonna be the storyline. And it's funny
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Speaker 1: because the Devin Lloyd pick comes at the end of
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Speaker 1: the draft, and I want to say it overshadows the
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Speaker 1: number one overall pick, but I think the surprise with
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Speaker 1: Lloyd being available at the bottom of the first round
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Speaker 1: uh for the Jaguars to make an aggressive move to
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Speaker 1: get that him. Absolutely, absolutely, because I think he's one
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Speaker 1: of the blue chair players in this draft class, and
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a star at this level.
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Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the draft now
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Speaker 1: in total with the first round Trayvon war the combination
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Speaker 1: of Trayvon Working and Devin Lloyd, to me, should be
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Speaker 1: something to get excited about because the opportunity to put
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Speaker 1: two versa or athletes on the field, two guys that
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Speaker 1: are very disruptive, very physical in their play, but more
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Speaker 1: important than guys who really love ball. I think you
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Speaker 1: begin to kind of create an environment in the law
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Speaker 1: locker room that is necessary to play good football. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we're getting inside access from Las Vegas. Brian Sexton just
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Speaker 1: interviewed Devon Lloyd and he said that he asked him, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what are you bringing to Jackson and goes, I'm just
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Speaker 1: a good person, that's all. He said. Well, you need
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Speaker 1: more of that here in Jacksonville, just good people need
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Speaker 1: more that on his desk. Okay, he'll fit right in here.
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Speaker 1: We'll save a cheer for him. Uh. You know the word.
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Speaker 1: The word that they used a lot in that press
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Speaker 1: conference right after they picked trade on Walker. I think
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Speaker 1: they used it seventeen times was versatility. I think joke.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't seventeen times. A handful of times. At least
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Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense. He played a lot
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Speaker 1: of places in Athens, Bucky, and he was on the
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Speaker 1: field a lot. He was. He had the most snaps
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Speaker 1: by percentage of any defensive lineman on that very good
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Speaker 1: Georgia team. Yeah, Swiss Army Knife, I mean, really the epitome.
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Speaker 1: He's the guy who played anywhere from right over top
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Speaker 1: of the center all the way out to the edges.
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Speaker 1: And now it's a banner of trying to determine was
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Speaker 1: to us spot for him. It's it's tough to do
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Speaker 1: um a lot with young players because you're trying to
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Speaker 1: actimate to the pro game, you're trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: the pro playbook, and you're trying to just kind of
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Speaker 1: learn your way, But the versatility is his strength, and
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Speaker 1: so how do they unlock that tap into that very
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Speaker 1: very early in his career. It's something that's hard to
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Speaker 1: do for young players, but they obviously have to have
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Speaker 1: a plan for him to really maximize his talents. I
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Speaker 1: thought it was telling Bucky, I I asked you on
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Speaker 1: the set upstairs, probably the last question we talked about,
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Speaker 1: how do you bring them along? How you know, with
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Speaker 1: a player so versatile, Uh, what do you do at
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Speaker 1: the start of his career? And during the presser Trent
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Speaker 1: Balky and Doug Peterson both addressed that, and Doug went
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Speaker 1: out of his way two or three times to say,
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Speaker 1: we're going to find him a position early meeting Trayvon Walker,
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Speaker 1: let him get settled there, let him go there, and
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Speaker 1: then after that, let him show his versatility. Um I
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Speaker 1: was telling that it was clearly on their minds, clearly
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Speaker 1: something they have talked about out and clearly a major
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Speaker 1: discussion point even before he was drafted. Well, it has
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Speaker 1: to be one of those things. The one thing that
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Speaker 1: you don't want to one the things you're trying to
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Speaker 1: avoid is taking a player that you don't have a
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Speaker 1: clear plan. So it's really important that the personnel staff
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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff are in lockstep when it comes
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Speaker 1: to his utilization. How are we going to utilize and
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Speaker 1: what's the plan to get him on the field. How
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Speaker 1: do you want to approach you? What room does he
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Speaker 1: go to they wanted to go to default. All of
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Speaker 1: those things have to be discussed because the last thing
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Speaker 1: you want to do is not give the kid a chance.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be used for a month, No,
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Speaker 1: you want to so to be interesting to see where
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Speaker 1: they start them out and how long before they begin
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Speaker 1: to move them around, if they move them around at
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Speaker 1: all this rookie season. I'm just struck in we're talking
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Speaker 1: in the wake of a very busy hour where, you know,
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Speaker 1: while we're all trying to sort of process it, how
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Speaker 1: different this night went that I anticipated? And how much Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's a feeling that they've really and Bucky, you know,
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Speaker 1: Doug and you all those scoutings you sort of know
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Speaker 1: how GM's minds work. Were you surprised that they went
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Speaker 1: this bold to establish the identity of the defense because
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Speaker 1: it really feels like the defensive identity or we've learned
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Speaker 1: what they want, We've learned what they want to be
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Speaker 1: am I overstating that. No, I think versatilities is huge,
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Speaker 1: and I I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised because the
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Speaker 1: player was there that enabled them to do it. But
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Speaker 1: do you think Lloyd really defines everything? It sounds like
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Speaker 1: kind of. I think so. And I think he defines
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Speaker 1: everything because he is a very productive player. And maybe look,
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Speaker 1: maybe I was wrong in my evaluation is coming up
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Speaker 1: through this, but I thought he was a top ten player.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't understand the conversation with him not being included
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Speaker 1: in the top ten. The things that he was able
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Speaker 1: to do in stuffing the stat sheet, the sacks to tackle,
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Speaker 1: the loss is, the interceptions all within a year. We
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Speaker 1: had multiple um disruptive splash plays. When you think about
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Speaker 1: our defense the last couple of years and watching it,
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Speaker 1: we haven't had many big plays, many game changing plays,
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Speaker 1: and the only way that you can add that to
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Speaker 1: the defense you have to add players who are able
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Speaker 1: to do it. So, yes, I was really excited about
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Speaker 1: that pick, But I don't want to take anything away
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Speaker 1: from Trayvon Walking what he can add because he is
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Speaker 1: dynamic and explosive and disruptive. He's just not necessarily a
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Speaker 1: pass Russian and JP. Bucky's not revising history. In our
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Speaker 1: draft series that we did, we combined the edge rusher
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Speaker 1: and the linebacker, and Bucky's best in the story that
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Speaker 1: we did on that with Lloyd that included edge rushers.
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Speaker 1: Now and I'm saying you necessarily thought he was better
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Speaker 1: than the guy's up top. I think he thought he
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Speaker 1: was in that conversation. Yeah, I think he's one of
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Speaker 1: the best players. I think he's one of the best
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Speaker 1: players in the draft, and I hope in two or
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Speaker 1: three years we look back and we talked about him
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Speaker 1: being one of the dominant players. To comparison to Darris
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Speaker 1: Leonard that many have made is very valid because we
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Speaker 1: look at the way Darius Leonard plays and the way
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Speaker 1: he impacts the game as an off the ball linebacker.
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Speaker 1: He's been a catalyst that those intern uplis coos defense.
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Speaker 1: I would expect Devin Lloyd doing the same. Ashlyn Brentson
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Speaker 1: Buckner is from Columbus, Georgia. The defensive line coach Tray
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Speaker 1: Blon Walkers from Thomaston, Georgia. It's about an hour's drive away.
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Speaker 1: If that boy, well, I'm staying there from a similar area,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's a big deal for those guys
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Speaker 1: in that part of the state of Georgia. That's a
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Speaker 1: big deal. And Brentson Buckner came on a podcast or
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Speaker 1: show last week, Happy Hour and said, yeah, um nothing,
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Speaker 1: noone show. Thank you, he said. I asked him, what
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Speaker 1: what do you talk to these prospects about when they
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Speaker 1: come into visit. He said, basically, I just want to
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Speaker 1: see if you're a good guy, like can I can
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Speaker 1: I be around you? Do I like being around you? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: You gotta go to work with him every day and
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Speaker 1: been countless hours in this building. I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 1: I was running down the hallway to change my shirt
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Speaker 1: because I wasn't expecting to trade, and oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I was very frazzled. They are high fiving in the
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Speaker 1: hallway right now. They are fired up and saying this
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Speaker 1: is a huge win today. Let's take a time back
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Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll get a little deeper into the
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Speaker 1: Devon Lloyd pick after this. Welcome back to the NFL
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Speaker 1: Draft Recap podcast. After Round number one, j P Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Ashlan Sullivan, John Osier, the Jaguars trade three
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Speaker 1: draft picks to the Buccaneers, the thirty third overall, the
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Speaker 1: one six and that's a second round or a fourth
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Speaker 1: round and a sixth rounder. The Buccaneers give up the
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Speaker 1: seven pick on the Jaguars select linebacker devn Lloyd from
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Speaker 1: Utah First team All American last year, two time but
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Speaker 1: just finalists. We've talked a little bit about in Bucky,
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Speaker 1: but this guy not just a one year wonder. For
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Speaker 1: multiple years in Salt Lake City, put up numbers in
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Speaker 1: nineteen it was a shortened COVID year. In twenty he
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Speaker 1: still put up numbers in five games, and then last
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Speaker 1: year off the charts. I know you guys are early
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Speaker 1: birds out here on the East Coast, and y'all don't
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Speaker 1: get a chance to see Pack twelve after dark, So
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Speaker 1: I would like you probably had to go and look
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Speaker 1: and see where Utah the utes where they play what.
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Speaker 1: But if you had an opportunity to watch factual for what,
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Speaker 1: this dude was all over the map and he's done
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Speaker 1: it for the last couple of years where he makes
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Speaker 1: a ton of plays. His energy, um, his leadership ability,
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Speaker 1: all those things are certainly at it. But you know,
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Speaker 1: just listening to him, you talk about good people. Character matters,
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Speaker 1: and it matters in the locker room. The best teams
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Speaker 1: typically have guys that like love being around one another,
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Speaker 1: guys that are able to hold people accountable. Uh, there's
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Speaker 1: a level of commitment that they displayed because that allows
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Speaker 1: them to build the trust. And so when you have
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Speaker 1: enough of those guys in the locker room, good things happen.
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Speaker 1: And Devin Lloyd is certainly one of those guys. And
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Speaker 1: when you add him on top of Trevor Lawrence and
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and some of the other good at Christen
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Speaker 1: Kirk is like that. Zay Jones has that ability, you
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Speaker 1: begin to have a different feel around the locker room.
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Speaker 1: And if you get that part right, then the balla
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Speaker 1: end up being right. So why did he drop? You know,
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Speaker 1: Like it's really weird, man. I think sometimes in these
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Speaker 1: things like have too much time from the last time
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Speaker 1: guys play ball to the time that you pick and
10:04
Speaker 1: so there's a beauty pageant feel to the draft where
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Speaker 1: you go to the combine and all this other stuff.
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Speaker 1: In the athletics, I mean, he didn't run as fast
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Speaker 1: as people that hope, but at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: you have to trust the tape and how people play.
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Speaker 1: That's how they're gonna play in the league. It's also
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a positional change. Inside linebacker is
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Speaker 1: only going to go so high a little bit like
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Speaker 1: people say that, But then I get annoyed by that,
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Speaker 1: because good players are good players, and I think sometimes
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Speaker 1: like I understand when the level of positional value, but
10:34
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't get enough for good players. And
10:35
Speaker 1: a lot of times in the draft process we overthink, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: this position, we need to wait later, like a couple
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Speaker 1: of years ago for the n Coast conversation with Quinn
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Speaker 1: Nelson and the guard not being able to be selected
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Speaker 1: in the top five. But then he only goes and
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Speaker 1: becomes a three time All Pro player since he stepped in.
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Speaker 1: I think good players, you can't get enough for good players,
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Speaker 1: And Devin Lloyd is a good player, and Traymon Walker
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Speaker 1: has an opportunity to be a really, really good player.
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Speaker 1: So I was gonna say that you're annoying him the
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Speaker 1: only one, and you're annoying him sensitive. Actually, the revamp
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Speaker 1: of this linebacker room is dramatic. Obviously, Miles Jack has
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Speaker 1: called he's in Pittsburgh now. Floya Loukon is in here
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Speaker 1: in free agency and here's Devin Lloyd and Utah first
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Speaker 1: round pick. It's there is this group putting their stamp
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Speaker 1: on that position. Yeah. And we talked about linebacker leading
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Speaker 1: up to this draft and he said, okay, yeah, it's
11:29
Speaker 1: an area of need. But it's surprised me because when
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Speaker 1: we talked about this trading up scenario, we only really
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Speaker 1: ever mentioned wide receiver. That was the trending topic. But
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Speaker 1: then you you looked at how this night shook out,
11:39
Speaker 1: they would have had a trade up so high to
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Speaker 1: make that happen. So now when you look back at it, okay,
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Speaker 1: we said, yeah, running back and linebacker, it was an
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Speaker 1: area of need. I just think when you looked at
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, that made the most sense, but it was
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Speaker 1: unrealistic with the way the board shook out. Did linder
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Speaker 1: Bomb go yes, okay, so he went to the Baltimore
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Speaker 1: Ravens right two fixed want. Yeah, I'd be curious to
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Speaker 1: know if he had dropped and Lloyd hadn't, would they
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Speaker 1: have done that. Maybe they made the trade. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea speculation, but it's it's a It was telling
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Speaker 1: I thought they might trade up for either center or
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. I anticipated because my thinking was you can
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Speaker 1: get Okay starter inside linebacker in the third or fourth round.
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Speaker 1: To me, it's significant that they they basically said we
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Speaker 1: want better than okay starter there. Uh, And that's why
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Speaker 1: I think it's such a statement and on on how
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Speaker 1: they went to play and where they're gonna put their priority. Again,
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Speaker 1: it surprised me. But it's certainly a potentially yeah era
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Speaker 1: defining move. If you're saying that the next couple of years,
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Speaker 1: this could define what they are for the next couple
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Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, I would say the receiver thing. And um,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna sound weird when I say this based on
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Speaker 1: the amount of money that was spent out in free agency.
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Speaker 1: But Doe Peter Sin comes from like the Mike hon
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Speaker 1: Grantry and Green Bay and Andy Reid and those guys,
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Speaker 1: and they have a true feeling that you can win
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Speaker 1: a lot of games with B and B plus is
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver depending on how good the quarterback is.
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Speaker 1: And so if they have enough confidence to believe that
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent, they may not feel
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Speaker 1: the need to have to go above and beyond to
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Speaker 1: get what people may deem to be a level receivers.
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Speaker 1: And it's also been proven in the last couple of
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Speaker 1: years when you look at the draft, the wide receivers
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Speaker 1: that are really popped have been the second and third rounders.
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Speaker 1: You go back second round in particularly Deebo, Samuel A. J. Brown,
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Speaker 1: d K, Mattcalf, Terry McLaurin. I want to say it
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Speaker 1: was a third round pick. It's been proven that you
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Speaker 1: can find those guys in those rounds, and so because
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Speaker 1: of that, there may not have been the urgency to
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Speaker 1: move up in the first round to get him when
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Speaker 1: there's been so many guys that have had success in data.
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Speaker 1: On Day two, a j bround popped hud a million worth.
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Speaker 1: Tonight got traded paid good night, good ready, good night
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Speaker 1: at the office guarantee. Yeah, okay, right, it'll be okay, alright,
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Speaker 1: So we moved to tomorrow. Now. The Jaguars currently do
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Speaker 1: not have a second round pick, but they have a
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Speaker 1: pair of third round picks sixty fifth overall and seventy overall.
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Speaker 1: That's the first and the sixth picks in the third round.
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Speaker 1: They also have a fifth round pick on Saturday, three
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Speaker 1: sixth round picks remaining, and two sevenths. Ashlyn, you know,
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Speaker 1: does trader Trent come back again tomorrow. I was personally
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Speaker 1: hoping they might have packaged some of those sixes and
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Speaker 1: moved them up today, and that would have just the
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Speaker 1: package little more and moved on up. It would just
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Speaker 1: make everyone's life a little easier, I thought, Saturday, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's John's life. They used to six I was surprised
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Speaker 1: that they got up four or five notches for the
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Speaker 1: value they gave up. They gave you up one hundred
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Speaker 1: and six Yeah, thirty third, one oh six and one eighties,
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Speaker 1: So you gave up hud to move up five spots
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Speaker 1: in the first round. That to me is a pretty
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Speaker 1: decent trade for the Jacks. It was a decent trade,
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Speaker 1: and it seemed like that in the pressing when Trent
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Speaker 1: was like, hey we met in the middle basically yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they were like, yes, I don't think that's very
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Speaker 1: much to give up to move up five spots, because
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Speaker 1: I love first round. To me, is more. But I'm
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Speaker 1: not criticizing the Bucks for it. It just it just
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Speaker 1: struck me that I would have thought to move up
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Speaker 1: at all, you would have had to give up more
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Speaker 1: than that. So you know, it isn't has been. It
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Speaker 1: has been a really good deal and balk he talked
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Speaker 1: about he didn't really care about he wanted to player, right,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes when you want to player, you give up
15:42
Speaker 1: whatever you need to give up. And we'll talk about
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Speaker 1: these six and seventh round picks and there there is
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Speaker 1: a value to those, but you want to use those,
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Speaker 1: I guess lottery tickets to move up to see if
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Speaker 1: you can get up the darts at the board after
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Speaker 1: the fifth round. But it's dart at the board the
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Speaker 1: entire draft, the entire drafted. Dar said divorce. I do
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Speaker 1: like when he was talking about this trade shaking out
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Speaker 1: and how he kind of just looked at Coach Peterson
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Speaker 1: and he looked back and they said, all right, let's
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Speaker 1: do it. Like it was clear they had talked about
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Speaker 1: this numerous times for it all had to be was
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Speaker 1: just a look and it was time to go. That's
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Speaker 1: why when they talked about it, when I heard lender
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Speaker 1: Bomb went, they may have looked at and say, there's
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Speaker 1: a couple of guys like and again I despect that
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Speaker 1: on linger Bomb because it's yeah, it uh clearly they
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Speaker 1: had guys in mind that they wanted. So I'm with Bucky.
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Speaker 1: If you like the player, go get them and don't
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Speaker 1: worry that they're going to be available, or if it's
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Speaker 1: a certain level of spot for a certain position, go
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Speaker 1: get your guy. Well, it's past John's bedtime, so it's
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Speaker 1: time for us to wrap up this podcast this Thursday
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Speaker 1: night now Friday morning, and of course continued coverage on
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot com throughout the weekend. We'll have press conference
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Speaker 1: coverage Trayvon Walkers scheduled tomorrow about two o'clock I believe,
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Speaker 1: and then we'll find out exactly the time for UM
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Speaker 1: for Devin Lloyd. That might not be tomorrow, it might
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Speaker 1: be Sat. Saturday. Thank you, you have it. Okay, those
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Speaker 1: are the press conference times, and then of course we'll
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Speaker 1: have a pre show tomorrow leading into Draft night, where
17:18
Speaker 1: at least as of right now, we'll be sitting around
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Speaker 1: twiddling our thumbs around too. There's nothing going on until
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Speaker 1: the third round. That'll do it for the NFL Draft
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Speaker 1: Recap podcast on Day number one for Ashvin Sullivan, John Oser,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and Joe fort Tonado. I'm j P. Shadrick
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Speaker 1: will catch you tomorrow afternoon