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Talk Line: Editor Charlene Bielema shares the latest Shaw Local news · WIXN AM 1460 - Shaw Local Radio

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Speaker 1: Hey, they're waking crew. You're here with us on FM
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Speaker 1: ninety five one and a fourteen sixty WI xcent And
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Speaker 1: it's eight thirty seven on your Tuesday morning, and it's
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Speaker 1: time for talk line. And I'm joined once again. But
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Speaker 1: it's been far too a while long. It's been just
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Speaker 1: foreign to me. I know, the managing editor of the
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Speaker 1: Telegraph and Gazette, the one, the only, Charlene Bielama, thank you,
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Speaker 1: shar you've been busy. You're you're always busy, but uh,
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Speaker 1: you've been extra busy.
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Speaker 2: This is a lot going on. But you know, every
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Speaker 2: story you find, it seems like you can find another
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Speaker 2: one while you're out doing that story. So there's just
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Speaker 2: a lot within our newsroom happening.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hate to say it because it never
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Speaker 1: usually ends up meaning anything good. But court coverage has
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like goodness. Yeah, doesn't it from the
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Speaker 1: history of this town. I mean, you know, I'm only
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Speaker 1: forty two, but it never seems seem like some of
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Speaker 1: the headlines that make their way across now we're doing
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Speaker 1: it so frequently. But we'll get into that a little
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Speaker 1: later in the show. We wanted to start with something
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Speaker 1: which is really cool, which is your public safety team?
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Speaker 2: And okay, yeah, and that's new since I've been here
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Speaker 2: the last time that so that does show it's been
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Speaker 2: a couple months since I've been here. There was some talk, oh,
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Speaker 2: I would say, like late last year early this year
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Speaker 2: within Shaw that we would talk about having teams that
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Speaker 2: would focus on certain areas of coverage. So we kind
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Speaker 2: of sat back and said, what are those areas? Well,
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Speaker 2: there's education, and there's there's government and courts, and I'll
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Speaker 2: always advocate for court coverage pretty heavily because that seems
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Speaker 2: to be the wheelhouse that I'm drawn to. And so
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Speaker 2: they there was a decision that we would have different
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Speaker 2: groups that were made up and they would have teams
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Speaker 2: of reporters from across Shaw, and so public safety was
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Speaker 2: the one of the first ones. Education also launched at
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Speaker 2: the same time. So that's my team. That's the team
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Speaker 2: I get to help kind of manage, and by manage,
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Speaker 2: I say, shepherd us through. What are we going to
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Speaker 2: report on. I've got five great reporters from across Shaw.
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Speaker 2: I've got one from the saal Peru area, two from Decal,
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Speaker 2: one from Juliet, one from Northwest Herald, up in Crystal Lake,
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Speaker 2: and we talk once a week on Zoom about, Hey,
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Speaker 2: what are you working on or what ideas do you
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Speaker 2: have that's popping up within your coverage, because I think
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Speaker 2: court reporters particularly, we like to number crunch, we like
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Speaker 2: to look at trends, and then anecdotally, something weird will
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Speaker 2: happen and we'll say, hey, does anybody else have something
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Speaker 2: like that? Maybe it's legislative based, is there anything new?
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Speaker 2: Take for example, Peyton's story that she'd been following locally
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Speaker 2: about steer tailing. Does the story about the issue legislation
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Speaker 2: comes up, she follows up on it. And so in
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Speaker 2: this case, we've been meeting once a week and we've
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Speaker 2: had some stories that we've published. I'd point out our
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Speaker 2: fentanyl story, which actually we have a lead reporter each
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Speaker 2: time we say who wants to take the lead on reporting.
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Speaker 2: In this case it was Amanda Morazo up from Crystal Lake,
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Speaker 2: and then we all contribute to that. So she's writing
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Speaker 2: her main story, we're talking throughout, and then we're also
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Speaker 2: looking at our markets. If there's anything that's applicable, maybe
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Speaker 2: it supports what she's seeing. Maybe it's in the case
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Speaker 2: of the fentanyl story, it was about the loss of
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Speaker 2: life that occurs on pressed pills, how you can become
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Speaker 2: a victim or lose a family member so quickly. That
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Speaker 2: could apply to all markets at any time. And so
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Speaker 2: what have we seen locally? We have that. We also
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Speaker 2: had one from Tom Collins down in the Sauparu who said, hey,
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Speaker 2: you guys, notice an uptick in female perpetrators or domestic violence?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, So we all kind of take a
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Speaker 2: look at our court records, talk to a long term
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Speaker 2: law enforcement official or county attorney who has a feel
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Speaker 2: for what's going on in our area. But it also
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Speaker 2: isn't just hey, we're seeing this, it's why are we
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Speaker 2: seeing this? So it helps maybe get some questions answered
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Speaker 2: for our readers, and sometimes it doesn't turn into a story.
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Speaker 2: Tom came to me and we were talking a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago about the increase he was seeing within
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Speaker 2: the trend of drunken driving this year. He's a numbers cruncher,
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Speaker 2: pulls it up on a screen, he says, look what
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing here, and he said, we're on pace to
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Speaker 2: have more owis do you is down here in thesau
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Speaker 2: prou then last year and we checked couldn't find it
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Speaker 2: anywhere else. I found it in my county. But both
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Speaker 2: of us came to the conclusion that maybe it's not
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Speaker 2: more drunk and driving. It looks like we have enhanced
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Speaker 2: enforcement showing up right now. It's a little early in
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Speaker 2: the year to say this is our pace. Sure, let's
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Speaker 2: give it summer, let's give it fall. Maybe we need
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Speaker 2: to step back and look back over three years as
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Speaker 2: compared to year over year, because why is that happening.
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Speaker 2: So those are the kind of discussions that we have
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Speaker 2: on a week's a week basis. And then at the
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Speaker 2: same time, we're taking a look at our local markets
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Speaker 2: because all of us have cases that are also continuing
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Speaker 2: that may be of interest throughout they but they might
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Speaker 2: not be so. And that kind of goes with our
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Speaker 2: front approach. If you've been looking at our front pages
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Speaker 2: of our newspapers, we've gone to two story front instead
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Speaker 2: of having just a photo on the front. There's a
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Speaker 2: lead story that's regionally based. It might be a lead
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Speaker 2: photo that's regionally based that leads to a story inside
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Speaker 2: and a local story also because obviously there's a lot
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Speaker 2: regionally that happens, and if you put said inside are
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Speaker 2: people even going to notice that are they looking for that.
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Speaker 2: We're still thinking print at the same time we're thinking digital.
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Speaker 2: So those two things are always Yeah, I want to
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Speaker 2: break this here, But where is this going to sit
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Speaker 2: in print for those readers because they may or may
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Speaker 2: not be the same readers. Yeah, yeah, maybe they're probably
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Speaker 2: not at times the same readers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that makes a great point because
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Speaker 1: you got to think of both those types of readers
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Speaker 1: when looking at are they going to be more locally focused?
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Speaker 1: Are they going to have that interest in the regional
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Speaker 1: But it's all what's happening around here. And the coverage
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Speaker 1: has just expanded, especially taking in those closed down newspapers
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Speaker 1: like out in Rochelle, your guys's coverages and the responsibility
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Speaker 1: and I dare even say it seems the number of
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Speaker 1: stories that you guys are having to get out is
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Speaker 1: just really increased.
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Speaker 2: It has I yeah, And I think when you I've
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Speaker 2: always told reporters when they start, especially especially when they're
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Speaker 2: they get their feet in the ground and they they
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Speaker 2: find sources coming to them that if I think, I
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Speaker 2: would say that good reporters never run out of stories.
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Speaker 2: They always have more stories than they can do, and
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Speaker 2: so you have to kind of help them through that
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Speaker 2: to figure out this feature story is a great idea,
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Speaker 2: Like this is a great idea, but right now maybe
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Speaker 2: this is more important. Maybe this is breaking, but we
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Speaker 2: don't want to get caught up and just running and
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Speaker 2: doing breaking either. This also becomes important. So it becomes
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Speaker 2: how do you manage that? And the team approach is
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Speaker 2: one way that we can do it. Plus, I've always
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Speaker 2: said two, A reporter doesn't necessarily know everything about every topic, right,
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Speaker 2: because there are some people that when I sit down,
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Speaker 2: I've covered education, but I've not covered education like some
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Speaker 2: of the reporters within SHAW, and to hear them talk
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Speaker 2: about the legislative things, or maybe there's stories that they
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Speaker 2: see more in the urban areas than we see rurally.
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Speaker 2: That having a team leader who's actually training and helping
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Speaker 2: those reporters understanding understand that beat makes for better reporting,
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Speaker 2: and I think it services our readers better also because
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Speaker 2: it's not surface reporting, it's in depth reporting that's got
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Speaker 2: authority to it. So those are the kind of things
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Speaker 2: that we think about. What's our next you know? Or
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Speaker 2: do we have a short term team that talks about agriculture? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: maybe one that takes a look at data centers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I'm holding my breath on and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, hope. It's such a such a thing right
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Speaker 1: where we're using AI more and more, but the you know,
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Speaker 1: some of the problems that come along with these these
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Speaker 1: data centers. You're looking in other states where they've they've
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Speaker 1: oh wow, can't talk today, They've built these massive ones
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Speaker 1: and you've got the residents complaining noise, pollution, water use,
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Speaker 1: energy use, energy use, right you land, you know it's
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Speaker 1: going up, so it starts to get that trickle down
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Speaker 1: effect of everybody in their rates being affected, and then
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Speaker 1: you start to think, like, could something like this come here?
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Speaker 1: Would we want it? Would our city leaders want it?
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Speaker 1: Why would they? And then what I would want to know,
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Speaker 1: if you know, I was still on your side of
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Speaker 1: the thing, is like why, like where you know, if say,
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Speaker 1: the residents don't want it, but you feel that it
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Speaker 1: pulls in enough revenue for the city, at what point
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Speaker 1: or how do you evaluate the justification of unhappy residents
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Speaker 1: versus the money that the city pulls in and says, well,
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Speaker 1: this benefits our city.
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Speaker 2: M hm exactly, yeah, you know exactly.
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Speaker 1: Those are always the things that I want to know.
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Speaker 1: And it's not for me to say that it's right
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Speaker 1: or wrong, but it's for me to say, or at
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Speaker 1: least for me when I always wanted to know was
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Speaker 1: like why, what to what justification? To what end? Do
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Speaker 1: we think this? This serves the means?
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Speaker 2: And I think when you're talking AI too, you also
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Speaker 2: have that discussion that goes on in everybody's brain is, yes,
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Speaker 2: we're moving toward that, Yes it's here, Yes it's not
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Speaker 2: going anywhere. Do we jump on board that ship and
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Speaker 2: say how does that better our life? And what can
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Speaker 2: go wrong? And it's it's standing back and taking a
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Speaker 2: look at how that integrates into our life overall. So
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Speaker 2: and even in news, I mean we have that discussion too,
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Speaker 2: because you have you'll have some staff members that I'll say,
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Speaker 2: where others we look at it, we say it's a tool,
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Speaker 2: and it's it's thing that's there. Maybe just you know,
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Speaker 2: check your grammar, I mean, right, but sure it could
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Speaker 2: it could be a bad thing really quickly. So we
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Speaker 2: have those discussions, well, you know, what are your policies
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Speaker 2: going to be, and you know, how do you make
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Speaker 2: sure that it's not being used just for the I
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Speaker 2: hate to say for the bad, but it yeah, you know,
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Speaker 2: anybody could use it in any way that they wanted,
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Speaker 2: And how do you trust it?
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Speaker 1: And it's such accommodated and it's such a new thing
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Speaker 1: it's hard to really give like accurately. Oh, these are
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Speaker 1: going to be the long term implications. So we can
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Speaker 1: go ahead and decide now how we think this best
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Speaker 1: roll is out.
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Speaker 2: Go back to the Internet. When the Internet rolled out
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Speaker 2: for us, when I started reporting in ninety five, and
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Speaker 2: you kind of I mean, you knew that those kind
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Speaker 2: of world Wide Web, those kind of things were out there,
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Speaker 2: they were being worked on whatever and then but for
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Speaker 2: us newsroom impact didn't happen until about ninety seven ninety eight.
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Speaker 2: Up to that time, we're on this old DOS computer.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's we're connected together, but it's more of an internal thing.
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Speaker 2: And then when we get the Internet, we're going to
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Speaker 2: designate that person to put up two news stories and
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Speaker 2: one sports story a day. I mean, that was like
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Speaker 2: his main thing. And then it gets to the point
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Speaker 2: where it's, oh, we're getting email, but we're all going
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Speaker 2: to share the email terminal over there. We have one
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Speaker 2: email terminal two thousand. We still couldn't get in our
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Speaker 2: head that there was.
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Speaker 1: Such a one email terminal for everyone.
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Speaker 2: So who's working that terminal today? And where are they putting?
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Speaker 2: I put him in the folder? Where do I find
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Speaker 2: the folder? I mean, it was just all new because
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Speaker 2: you're thinking about people that had been in the news
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Speaker 2: business for thirty years that the idea that you would
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Speaker 2: have computers that could talk to each other like everywhere.
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Speaker 2: It was difficult to kind of the concept of that.
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Speaker 2: And then now within social media when social media showed
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Speaker 2: up for us would have been what Facebook was what
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Speaker 2: two thousand and four, two thousand and five for us,
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Speaker 2: it was about twenty ten eleven that we were really
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Speaker 2: starting in Clinton to kind of grow. Oh, we've got
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Speaker 2: ten thousand followers. I mean, that was something that we
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Speaker 2: looked at and you know it knew we tended to
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Speaker 2: put everything out there. What's the harm in that? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because you're giving you know, your work, you know, you're
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Speaker 2: just putting it out there. So learning those limits, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and what's expected by readers is also something too.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be the development that continues to develop.
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Speaker 1: And it's just wild was going. We could probably talk
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Speaker 1: about that learning and I'm letting us go off rails.
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Speaker 1: But it's just one of those things that it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm holding my breath, that's all right, we'll move. You're
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Speaker 1: having to.
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Speaker 2: Solve this problem in a half hour. We can talk
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Speaker 2: about this, won't try But you could build a whole
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Speaker 2: consultant business on this discussion.
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Speaker 1: You have a important update in the jury selection process
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Speaker 1: in a case you're covering.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, something that we've been following. It's kind of a
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Speaker 2: two prong thing, two pronged story basically, and one is
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Speaker 2: that we have a man who is right now in jail.
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Speaker 2: He's actually was being held in there on a higher
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Speaker 2: sex crime kind of assault with kind of a case.
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Speaker 2: And then what happened is while he was in jail,
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Speaker 2: there was an alleged jail fight and so that happened
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Speaker 2: last fall, and it's that particular trial that's coming up
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Speaker 2: for him, and there was you know, as they moved
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Speaker 2: toward a trial, you see where they have like jury
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Speaker 2: pre trials, pre trial conferences. Some of those things were
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Speaker 2: not at just because it's kind of housekeeping as they're
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Speaker 2: getting close to a trial late, but you could see
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Speaker 2: something was going on because there was motions to dismiss
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Speaker 2: a jury panel. I've seen that before and so sad
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Speaker 2: in some of those hearings, and the defense attorney was,
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Speaker 2: you know, basically saying, hey, he'd ask him questions in
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Speaker 2: the Circuit Clerk's office as they were proceeding towards trials,
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Speaker 2: how do you select a jury? Just a question? And
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Speaker 2: in what he found out and what he made a
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Speaker 2: motion about was how how are we getting our large
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Speaker 2: jury panel? Veneer. There's different ways of putting it. Like
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Speaker 2: let's say that you're at home and you get a summons.
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Speaker 2: You're being pulled in for possible jury duty. We always
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Speaker 2: talk about that as being the jury pool. They're bringing
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Speaker 2: in the jury pool, and then they're going to select
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Speaker 2: from the jurors. How do they determine that? Well, driver's
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Speaker 2: licenses is one thing. There's also voting records. There's I
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Speaker 2: think four different categories that they're actually selecting. And I
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Speaker 2: want to be very clear when I write that story,
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Speaker 2: so I'm not going to just name them off here.
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Speaker 2: I need to check my notes. But there are different
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Speaker 2: areas with that, and what happens is then the Circuit
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Speaker 2: clerks office would get one big master list and then
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Speaker 2: they would put that into a computer in the circuit
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Speaker 2: clerk's office and push a few buttons and then get
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Speaker 2: the names, and then they send out summonses or questionnaires.
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Speaker 2: Questionnaers will come back, and when they'd get the answers,
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Speaker 2: and they would exclude some of those jurors. So they
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Speaker 2: were being accused of saying anybody who was younger than
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Speaker 2: eighteen or younger anybody who was older than eighty were
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Speaker 2: automatically excluded from the get go, and then when the
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Speaker 2: questionnaires would come back based on some criteria they hit
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Speaker 2: set up. Well, then the question is who set the criteria?
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Speaker 2: And nobody really knew because you had a multi generational
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Speaker 2: group of clerks that had handed that down handed. One
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Speaker 2: person's doing it, nobody really knows. And so there was
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Speaker 2: an order and I have to get a copy of
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Speaker 2: that order through the fourteenth District, the fourteenth Circuit judicial circuit,
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Speaker 2: and how they will be handling jury selection to make
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Speaker 2: sure that it's done right within every county within our circuit.
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Speaker 2: That's a big, big deal to me in this case.
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Speaker 2: Particularly the last I saw in the jury in the
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Speaker 2: court record yesterday is that it's proceeding toward trial in
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Speaker 2: April fourteenth. The biggest question was were they comfortable with
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Speaker 2: how they were going to select their jury pool, that
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Speaker 2: they had everything in place that they needed to do.
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Speaker 2: So that's that's one part of it. But it also
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Speaker 2: lends itself to when you have a judge that's on
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Speaker 2: the bench that says in this particular case, which he did,
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Speaker 2: that they had wrongfully excluded people from this particular defendants
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Speaker 2: trial that hasn't happened yet. The question becomes the way
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Speaker 2: that those were applied, those exclusions, how did they affect
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Speaker 2: previous trials.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could.
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Speaker 2: Have somebody who says, I deserve a new trial because
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Speaker 2: I was convicted and maybe my jury was wrongfully you know,
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Speaker 2: so I think, I think we're going to see activity there.
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet. The day was a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago we had somebody sentenced and it was
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Speaker 2: before this jury. This judge had actually ruled on this
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Speaker 2: particular yes, they are excluding wrongfully, And there was a
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Speaker 2: defense attorney that was trying for a mistrial in the
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Speaker 2: case that he had in front of him, and they said,
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Speaker 2: it's a little too early for that because we haven't
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Speaker 2: ruled in the other it's out there. We don't know
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Yeah, so now I'm looking at
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Speaker 2: my bigger cases saying, oh, anybody filed, you know, and
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Speaker 2: I I could see where that could happen. Yeah. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: you have what had happened changing what's going you know, forward,
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Speaker 2: and then how it affects others around here, but it
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Speaker 2: also state wide? Does it affect state wide? Are we
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Speaker 2: going to see this go up for a further discussion?
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Speaker 2: You know, little stories like this, they tend to bubble
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Speaker 2: up and be small somewhere. Yeah, but you and I
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Speaker 2: mean it's and then they pop.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's really a great way to put it,
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Speaker 1: because you hear jury selection process and you really do
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Speaker 1: think you think there's that it's a miniscule. But after that,
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Speaker 1: that really just.
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Speaker 2: It leads to the question, if you're curious, Yeah, if
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Speaker 2: you're curious, and I always say too, if you've I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you've never had contact with the judicial system as
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Speaker 2: a defendant or a family maybe a victim family member,
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Speaker 2: or a victim yourself, and you don't understand how that works.
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Speaker 2: It might not you think the wheels of justice are turning,
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Speaker 2: maybe slowly at times. But if you don't have that involvement.
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Speaker 2: That's okay, yeah, you know, because then you don't know
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Speaker 2: and you hadn't maybe had a reason to be there.
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Speaker 2: But when you stand back and watch it and you
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Speaker 2: see the implication, and I'll go home and I stay
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Speaker 2: to my husband saw something today. This could be a
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Speaker 2: big deal. Maybe not, but it could be. And so
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Speaker 2: we had a story and it was actually a local
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Speaker 2: story that we ran regionally across all of Shaw because
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Speaker 2: maybe this doesn't seem big yet, but it could be. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so and if it's not, we'll say that it's not.
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Speaker 2: But it's read a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Light on the subject because I have to think most people,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe not everyone. Maybe some of you are
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Speaker 1: smarter than me. I'm sure you are, and I know
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Speaker 1: most of you are, but you think of jury selection,
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Speaker 1: at least I did before you explained any of this.
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Speaker 1: As there's some master lists somewhere and they either hit
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Speaker 1: randomize and a computer picks it, or some guys are
17:17
Speaker 1: out there throwing darts.
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Speaker 2: The word you just use is randomized, and that's been
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Speaker 2: the major discussion. Yeah, how do you make sure that
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Speaker 2: that list is randomized?
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Speaker 1: Because so I figure maybe computers goes and switch what's at.
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Speaker 2: What stepp are you're randomizing it? And then also when
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Speaker 2: you're getting that initial list, the question was are people
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Speaker 2: listening that alphabetically? And if you're saying, do I pick
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Speaker 2: one every twentieth juror for that pool? But if that's
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Speaker 2: a big list, is that rule? Is that number deep enough?
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Speaker 2: It really becomes a data.
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Speaker 1: One hundred days and only thirty pres and are they
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Speaker 1: sort of skipping b by right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And are they categorized? Are you saying that maybe
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Speaker 2: all of the ones it's driver's licenses here, and then
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Speaker 2: oh is it voting record here? How are you making
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Speaker 2: sure there's a randomized interesting discussion?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes a lot further. I love that.
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Speaker 2: It's great. So it's been attorneys and me. There's been
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Speaker 2: no other you know, really media they're covering it, which
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Speaker 2: which I mean obviously you always look at those cases
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Speaker 2: and they are a higher level kind of reporting that
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Speaker 2: you're doing. But you also know that when you're writing
18:22
Speaker 2: that story that you're kind of alone on that and
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Speaker 2: that your hope you can't hope, you have to be
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Speaker 2: very you know, you have to be dead on so
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Speaker 2: a lot comes with sure.
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Speaker 1: I hate to say it we're out of time. You know,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about this before I even took this job.
18:36
Speaker 1: Me and you got to do a podcast. We we
18:38
Speaker 1: got to have time to talk about this stuff. I've
18:40
Speaker 1: said it on air, so the higher ups. If you
18:42
Speaker 1: hear about it, I'll send an email. But we need
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Speaker 1: a podcast, shar and I need time to properly discuss
18:47
Speaker 1: these things.
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Speaker 2: Old cases, Yeah, old I can give you those right away. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We we just took ten minutes on jury selection process
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Speaker 1: and my mind is blown at this point, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not done with it yet. But we'll have to wait
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Speaker 1: for more updates. Thank you so much for coming on,
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Speaker 1: and I look forward to having fetback for the next update.